Creator to Creators S7 Ep 58 3rd Borough (Justin & Paul)

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Speaker 3 (00:34):
Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Creators to Creators. Today,
today we have a special guest.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Hello. Hello, I' My name is a Paula Way representing
Third Borough.

Speaker 5 (00:46):
I'm Justin, Justin Marta. Yeah, we're happy to be here.
Thanks for having.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Us absolutely, thank you for being here. So you know,
I love going back to the beginning. I always say
the beginning charts our trajectory in life. You know, our
little habits we pick up along the way, follow us
into our adulthood. Tell me a little bit about you
know whoever? Want to start first? A little bit about
your childhood? What was that like and kind of when
did the love for music again? For each of you?

Speaker 4 (01:13):
You want to start, justin then I'll do I'll go second,
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Cool.

Speaker 5 (01:19):
So, yeah, Actually, when I was when I was born,
kind of an interesting story. My brother had just he
had just gotten into an accident. It was a really
bad accident, actually put him in a coma, and he
had broken his arm. He had broken his right arm
and so, and he loved baseball and you know, playing

(01:42):
sports and stuff. So he couldn't play any sports. And
for a long time he wasn't able to do anything.
So my parents, my dad got him a guitar, and
so he started playing guitar. And basically when I was born,
Tommy had a cast on It is my brother's name.
Tommy had a cast on his arm, and he was
playing this guitar, and I became obsessed with his guitar

(02:03):
and I would crawl into his room. I go in
there and I'd break all the strings on his guitar
until they finally got me. I guess it was like
the Terrible twos or something like that. And they finally
got me my own little toy guitar when I was
three years old, and I guess it just never left
my side, and I finally started learning. My brother was
the first one to teach me. My first few chords

(02:24):
and I was pretty hooked at that point. I love that.
I love that.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
So yeah, so for me was I was obsessed with music.

Speaker 6 (02:36):
I was just singing NonStop always, and I actually my mother,
my mother made rules no singing at the dinner table,
no singing in the grocery store, no singing in the car,
because that's I would just drive her crazy was singing.
And I also was a dance just dancing and singing.
It's I've kind of naturally always been a performer. I

(02:57):
actually got on stage I think around seven years old,
and for my birthday at nine years old, I have
a recording of me singing LaBamba. I begged my mom
to take me to a music studio and it was
called Center Stage and Tucson, Arizona, and so yeah, so
that was a that's kind of been my first recording

(03:18):
session was nine years old and I sing LaBamba by
Richie Valence. And I was obsessed with the movie as
a child. But yeah, music has always been there. I've
always been a singer, dancer, and it's just been my
I guess addiction you could say, since since I was
a little boy.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
That's a great it's a great addiction.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
To have.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, I love that, you know, And first of all,
I want to just you know, congratulate you guys are
a new single, well like yours. It's it's so it's
so different, and I really like it's haunting as well.
But before we get to that, I want to know
how did you guys, how did you guys meet? And
you know, you guys blend so perfectly well together.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
Thanks, thank you for that. PAULI and I met in
San Diego at a mutual friend's house about almost twenty
years ago now no longer. Actually, I would say it
was like two thousand and four when we first met,
and we were both couch surfing. We were just starving

(04:23):
artists making our way, and you know, we kind of
kind of hung out, rouging out a little bit and
just having fun with music. And then we realized we
had a good chemistry and started getting a little bit
more serious and then formed this band, Third Borough. But
it all just kind of started naturally.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, like organically. I love that.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (04:47):
Justin and I we met in Ocean Beach, San Diego,
and he was just playing guitar singing, and I was
I'm more of a rapper than a singer. Guitar player,
but I know I obviously do both, but I remember
just being very impressed with Justin of how talented he was,
and it really inspired me to just push my craft.

(05:09):
So seeing Justin, like I instantly wanted to start working
with him because he was such an amazing singer and
guitar player.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
So it was just almost like he was teaching me.

Speaker 6 (05:20):
You know, how to be better, and even singing with
him definitely helped me sing better. He would like be like, oh,
you're a little sharp here, you're a little flat here,
and like, help me sharpen my singing up. And I
think I also brought kind of more of a hip
hop element to Justin's style, where I was rapping, which
he wasn't really doing, and I'm a DJ as well

(05:41):
and making beats and stuff. So we kind of helped
sharpen each other's swords in different genres.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
You know, he helped sharpen my singing.

Speaker 6 (05:49):
I helped sharpen his love for hip hop and pop
music and stuff. So we kind of just naturally could
we complimented each other where we had had weaknesses and
other things, so it was a really good, like you said,
chemistry was just perfect you know how we came together.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, no, it was. It's great. I went to you know,
since since Blood Like Yours was originally conceived in twenty fifteen,
how did the writing and the recording process change over
the decade, like decades before the release?

Speaker 5 (06:24):
So yeah, it started with Allie and I just doing
our thing in his living room when he lived in
Imperial Beach and I would cruise down there. I lived
a little further north in Ocean Beach, and I would
just cruise down and visit him and we would you know,
write songs and sorry to thinking and we it was

(06:49):
actually halloweenen was coming, like we were like, it's like
Halloween's in a couple of months. We were like, let's
let's let's have fun, you know, And so we came
up with Blood Like Hers first and on we're using
Able to Live and Pollie I really don't know how
he's that program, but but Polly does. And so, you know,
he had a little keyboard and so I, you know,

(07:10):
I started, you know, pulling a little line out of
a keyboard, and Pollie was putting some drums together and stuff,
and next thing, you know, I remember one one, one
moment distinctly is sitting there in the chair and Polly
comes up to me like he had this major epiphany.
He's like, we had already gotten through the first verse,
and I've written my verse and he wrote the other

(07:31):
half of the first verse. We're sitting there and trying
to figure out what are we going to do for
the chorus, and he was like, I got It's like,
it is a.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Blood like you.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
It is a blood. I was like, that's it, you know,
And so that's that's kind of where it all all began.
That's my memory of it. Anyway.

Speaker 6 (07:50):
Yeah, it's very similar my memory. We we were like
doing a Halloween album, and uh, Justin it was Justin's
idea to do a vampire song, and so blood like yours.
We just started creating the music and it just wrote itself.
I don't remember putting a lot of effort.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Into the lyrics. That were just kind of just.

Speaker 6 (08:13):
I call it the holy moment, when you capture the
holy moment, just like it's like when a basketball.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Player can't miss his shot.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
You know, it's like that with music too, when you
just you're just in it and we just we just
locked in.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
The song wrote itself very fast. Effortless. It was.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
It was just really fun. It was more just like
us having a good time. It wasn't didn't feel like
work at all. And the song just and it came
out and we wrote it then and it was and
like you said, that was.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
So long ago.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
So when we when we brought it to the band,
it definitely changed and just got better and better and better.
So it was a work in progress that was more
like for fun. When we added the band to it
is when it it.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Became the masterpiece it is now.

Speaker 6 (08:58):
So you know, I would say what me and Justin
wrote together, it was more like almost a rough version
of the song, but got the got the foundation built
then and and now we have you know, we've we've
hired like all these classically trained musicians that are well
our bandmates, but had them all come in and make
we turned it into.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
This you know, I've sold the last interview.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
We kind of formed like Voltron with with what this became.
And so that's uh, that's how it became our single
and our you know, our our main push for this album.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
I love that there's a part of the song, I mean,
well the beginning, and I think it's some like some
ad libs. I think it's a ladies voice. I wasn't sure.
I was going to ask whose voice was that that
did the ad libs. I thought that was kind of
interesting to add with the music the song.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
It was actually it's like a public domain old film
that we found. We found this old yeah, an old
vampire movie. I forget the name of it, and uh,
and we just we've got these nice little clips out
of there, and they actually kind of inspired the song
a little bit too. But yeah, it was just random

(10:06):
random movie we found.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
That's yeah, we wanted we wanted a sample that we
could use, you know, like all illegally used.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
So Justin's like, let's let's go through public domain and
look up old movies. And yeah, I don't remember the
name of the movie either, but it was it was
a really old I think it might have even been
black and white, but it was.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
It was a it was a really old move vampire movie.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
And we kind of scanned through the movie and picked
our favorite scenes that were the lyrics, and we chopped
it up to so like you know, we put the
best parts and combined them together and created samples from
the public domain.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
I read to you, like Beyond the Lost Boys and
other films music or culturally touchstones influenced the atmosphere of
the storytelling of you know, blood like yours like what like.
And I'm sure the process, like you said, it was effortless,
but like you know, for me, I'm kind of a
person that's like a perfectionist, So I don't like, how

(11:04):
do you know when you're like, all right, I'm not
going to go back and we're not going to correct it.
This is as good as it's going to get, like unanimously
like because you have multiple people to like, you know,
you two are kind of talking like, Okay, this is done.
We're not going to go back and correct it anymore.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
Well, we have our we have a process. You know,
at this point, we've been doing it for a long time,
so we've gotten this little process kind of like the treat.
The Trinity is Me, Polly and Ebo. And Ebo is
the guy that's not here right now, but he's kind
of like the the magician behind the board, and he's

(11:40):
you know, he really really helped co produce this thing,
and uh and he brought it all the way, you know,
he really dusted this thing off he took the diamond
and he shined it up, and uh, of course you can.
You know, you can be a perfectionist to the point
where you just don't ever put it out because it's
never going to be perfect. So you have to you

(12:00):
have to accept it at a certain point for its imperfections.
As a matter of fact, you have to like the
imperfections too. At a certain point you have to kind
of like enjoy that balance. And so it got to
that point where we were like, I like this. I
think it shows some human touch, but it also it
shows that we're very serious and we really care what

(12:20):
we're doing here. And so Ebo's very good at that.
He's really good at bringing it to that point where
we all agree and say this is awesome.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
You know, yeah, that's that's a great question, actually, and
I definitely agree with Justin. I always say, it's really
easy to make the song ninety percent done, and that
last ten percent is very hard. It's that's when the work,
and it's really fun to get to the ninety percent
completion and then to get that last ten percent. And

(12:50):
we always are bettering ourselves as musicians every day. So
you can always, like Justin said, you can always.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Keep critiquing, keep critiquing.

Speaker 6 (12:59):
But what I like A song I like to bring
up in is a biz Marquis baby you got what
I need. How he's a little off key in certain
parts of the chorus, but you you like that he's
off key, You feel the human in him.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
It's a classic hit song.

Speaker 6 (13:15):
And so I think when everything is perfectly pitched correctly
and it just sounds too robotic, it takes some of
the human out.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
And so I do, like, I like what Justin was saying.

Speaker 6 (13:26):
You almost have to like like some of the imperfections
in the song and and just at one point when
it just feels right. I think that's kind of when
we're like this is done, because yeah, you can just
you can definitely over I've overproduced songs where they were
great and then just spent so much time mixing them
that it took the human out of it and song,

(13:47):
even though it was now perfect, it didn't have the
same mass appeal and feeling that it started with. So
there's a happy medium there, and you kind of have
to just I think it's more based on feeling rather
than perfectionists, because when it feels right is when it's done,
and when you just overproduce, it won't feel right. So

(14:07):
you have to find that that and then Ebo is
that man for us, he's the he's the guy. So
like we'll bring it to Ebo a diamond and he
does the cuts and the polishing and does the last
ten percent.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
You know, that's awesome. I love that. And speaking of
human a question about the album The Human Quest. You know,
the Human Quest suggests like a broader, more expansive theme.
What aspects of the human experience have do you guys
explore throughout the record?

Speaker 5 (14:41):
Great, great question. We explore. We explore, you know, as
much as we possibly can, you know, about life itself.
And you know, considering one of the songs on there
was actually written about fifteen years ago when we made
our first album, we've had a lot of time to

(15:03):
go on that quest, you know, and so the title
kind of represents that that time, that period in time.
And then there's there's a lot I mean, you know,
we go we go through the whole love theme. We
take love into different contexts like the Vampire one, then
we take it to more of like a fun candy land,
and then you know, we also touch upon other other

(15:26):
subjects as well, like rising above you know, adversity, you know,
overcoming the trials and tribulations of our lives. Uh, joining
together and then you know unit and you know, also

(15:49):
trying to think of the songs themselves. That's why I'm
kind of sifting through here. But you know, Controlling the
Fire is one that I'm thinking of in particular. We
you know, kind of also bring up the children and
how we need to you know, keep them in mind
and whatever we're whatever we're paving for the future, we
need to you know, have them in consideration.

Speaker 6 (16:11):
You know.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
The song that we have called how to Pretense, it's
it's about it's kind of about navigating through the the
weird things that you can go through in life, like
the games people play and the things that happen and like,
you know, and just kind of finding your way to
the other side. And so yeah, I mean it's all encompassing,

(16:34):
like everything from love to the you know, the fun
you know, lighthearted times to the you know, the more difficult,
trying times. I think that's that's pretty much what it
is for me. Anyways.

Speaker 6 (16:47):
Yeah, Sam, I'm like human Quest because we were actually
wondering what to title the album, and you know, we
were looking at all the songs, We're like, you know,
we're really talking about the trials and tribulations and the
joys and the pains of life.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
And I think that's kind of how The Human Quest
came about.

Speaker 6 (17:03):
I have a song where I say, I'm murdering my demons,
and I'm I'm killing my inner demons to.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Become a better person.

Speaker 6 (17:09):
And you know, so we we tap into darker sides
of you know, overcoming your your your demons and overcoming pain.
And some of some of the love songs are are
our love songs, and some of them, you know, are
like positive love songs, and then some of them are
also just like more uh, the pain of love and

(17:33):
how love can be hurtful and stuff too. But then
there's the so we kind of touch a lot of
love trials and tribulations. But overall it was like this,
this album is about the quest of the human life,
and and that's how the album came out.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
And the name for that, I love that.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
I love that. Yeah, I think it's I feel like
we're all kind of on that quest, right, the human
experience and what life is about. And and and I'm
and I'm curious for you guys. You know, you guys
are in the music business and it's a really weird
business to be in, but also very fun. But for

(18:11):
those for the people that out that look it in,
they don't understand like the process and all the things
that you know that kind of goes on in the
music world. I have a film background, so I understand
it from a certain point of view, but I can't imagine.
The music world is pretty wild, you know, now that
we have this technology, you know, we have AI and

(18:33):
all the things that you know, some people embrace it,
some people don't. How do you guys feel that, you know,
the direction of the music world and the industry. Is
it changing for the better in favor of the artist
or do we still have a lot of work to
be done?

Speaker 5 (18:51):
You know, in my perspective, I think it all balances
out in the end, and it's still hard in the end,
you know. So whatever mediums we bring to the tape,
like AI or whatever, will find their place in art.
And so when it comes to art, it's kind of
like a Greasi's peanut butter cup, where there's no right
way to eat that recis peanut butter cup. It's just

(19:13):
it's a Reese's peanut butter cup. It's delicious, you know
what I mean. And so it's art, it's it's it's
not for everybody. Some it is for everybody, and it
isn't for everybody depending on what you're you know, what
movie you're watching or what song you're listening to. And
so that's why I believe that there's there's always going
to be a place for the human and in art

(19:34):
in general. I know there's this controversy over this AI
actress or something like that right now, and like that
they're all talking to that. There's going to be more
of that, you know what I mean, There's going to
be a lot more of that. There's there's all kinds
of controversy over Suno taking over Spotify, and these are
topics that that these words might not even exist in

(19:54):
twenty years, you know what I mean. Sono on Spotify
is going to be kind of like I don't know, oh,
you know, public television. You know, it's like, what's that?

Speaker 6 (20:03):
You know everybody's on YouTube now, So I yes, yeah,
I think similar my opinion. So you know, as a
DJ coming from a vinyl background, I remember how hard
and long it took to beat match tracks together, and
how much time and energy I put into that. And
nowadays with technology, you hit a button and it beat

(20:26):
matches it for you instantly. And a lot of DJs
hate on that and they say, you know, oh, this
isn't real DJing. That's why everyone can be a DJ now.
And I my opinion is, you know, there's you really
just got to move with the times and take it
with the tool. I mean, technology is going to get
better and better and better. So for me, the way
I took you know, DJing for example, is well, now

(20:48):
I don't have to beat match, even though I did
spend years of my life learning how to beat match.
I can beat match with a click of a button.
But now I can work on more drumming my drums
in or scratching my my scratches is in it. So
instead of like being like, oh, well this is ruining djaying,
I was like, well, I'm going to use this as
a tool to better Now I can grow in other

(21:09):
areas and and you know, so for me, it's like
with with with this AI stuff, I think if you
use it as a tool but still keep it human,
like Justin was saying that's that's the people. And and
then it's also when you when you hear a straight
a like when I hear a straight AI song that's
completely flawless and perfect, it sounds like a robot, you know,
Like I like that imperfection. So there's always going to

(21:30):
be a place for human And like when and as
good as AI is, they can't you can't feel the
soul in them, you know. And and and so when
you hear like an old blues singer singing, you can
you can feel it, you know, so that human will
always be, you know, overshadowing the AI in my opinions.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
I absolutely agree, I I completely I agree. I feel like,
you know, it's like you said, as good as AI is,
you know, moved times is great, but it's like there's
something about those olds. You know, how we used to
consume music back in the day, and you know where
it's not nothing was streaming, you know, always just you
have to actually buy the hard copy and play it

(22:13):
on the you know, and it's just I don't know
something about it. But it's also like you said, it's
moving with the times. Do you feel that you know,
there's a bunch of you know, conversation about being an
indie artist, and then it's getting signed to a big
record label. But then there's pros and cons in both.
You know, being in this music world, do you feel

(22:34):
like it's better to be you know, because you know,
one side, you could have more creative space and creative
freedom as an indie artist, but I guess you're taking
less money versus a bigger you know, you know, someone
who's backing you up, like a Sony or someone like that,
but you don't really have that much creative space like freedom.

(22:55):
I don't know, what do you guys suggest? Do you
think it's just whatever works for you, or do you
think more people It seems like more people more like
kind of taking control of their own masters and their
own music independently, which I feel like is great.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
I agree. I think the industry is kind of evolving
that way, and it's inevitable that there's going to have
to be some compromises that come along because the artists
will have more leverage due to all these tools that
we have at our disposal to be able to do
it on our own. It does get to a point though,
where money is kind of important and having somebody to

(23:35):
back you up is you know, is definitely necessary. So
I mean as an indie, as an indie group, you know,
we love the freedom of being able to do this.
We love the ability to be able to just say, Okay,
this thing's ready, let's go ahead and put it out.
And we don't have somebody, you know, we don't need
their stamp of approval. But I think that, you know,

(23:59):
just like we're talking about with AI and all this
other stuff, as an artist, if you take it as
an artist and you and you and you adapt to
the situation, you can utilize that as well and still
consider it art, still consider it expression a new challenge presented,
and you can and it doesn't have to last forever

(24:22):
a contract with the record label, you know. So if
you're you know, if you're, if you do get that opportunity,
you jump on it and you work with it, and
you you always put your one hundred and ten percent
in and in the end you can look back at
at a at a nice career, seasoned career of having

(24:43):
experienced everything.

Speaker 6 (24:44):
You know. Yeah, yeah, I think in a perfect world,
you know, for me, what I would see is starting
as an independent and getting so much attraction that the
label wants you, but you have the power to rewrite
the contract in your favor. I know labels definitely like
to take advantage of artists. I know De La Soul

(25:05):
is a great artist that I grew up listening to
that got totally taken advantage of. And so you know,
we hear about these horror stories, so we know to
look out.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
For that now with labels. But I will say, if.

Speaker 6 (25:18):
If you're making you know, one hundred thousand a year
and the label is going to make you ten million
a year and you only get to keep one million,
well you're still making.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Nine hundred thousand more than you would have been making.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
So it's it's yeah, they might take you know, seventy
percent of the money, but they're also making you five
hundred percent more than you were then it's a great deal.
So I think signing is important to have a back
but like in that sense, but also being aware that
they're not going to take advantage of you and then
also get you in a contract that you can't get out.

(25:53):
I know, like Justin was saying, when you sign your
whole name over, that's that's scary. But if you sign
you know, two albums over Okay, now we owe you
two albums. We'll see what happens and then we can
either rewrite the contract after that or whatever. But I
think it's important to just beware of, you know, the
labels taking advantage, and as long as you have a

(26:13):
good team on your side, then it is beneficial to
have a label back.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
You absolutely very well said, yeah, I love that. Can
you walk us through like how you know, the timeline
of how the documentary and the music video for Bloodline
Like Yours came to life, you know, in this for
the single.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
Yeah, So, so I live in North Carolina, so I'm
over here.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
My brother's there too, so I'm over here.

Speaker 5 (26:46):
I'm like, I'm in the rally area, and Polly's out
there in San Diego, and so, you know, we've been
working on this album for a long time, and we
all kind of came to a unanimous decision that Blood
Like Yours was a real strong track and it was ready.
It was ready to go, and so was Halloween, and

(27:06):
so we were like, you know, what a coincidence, Let's
let's go ahead and do it again. You know, it's
it's the match up Blood Like Hero was with Halloween.
And I sat down and I was brainstorming, and then
I brought it to Paulli and I was like, hey,
why don't we why don't we do this Lost Boy's
kind of theme on it because it has this eighties

(27:26):
sound to it, you know this, you know, and we
can kind of bring it there with the Lost Boys
because you know, nineteen eighty seven Lost Boys, it's a classic.
And so like, let's let's let's roll with that idea.
And so Paulie liked it, and I sat down and
I scripted it out, and then I got in touch
with our videographer and I kind of gave him the idea.

(27:51):
I was like, hey, let's you know, let's let's do
this and so so yeah, that there, and then as
I was doing I was like, you know what, we
should do a documentary on this, Like let's let's go
ahead and just like document the entire experience so that
we can try to you know, put other people there
and so that they can kind of see the process
of how something like this is put together. And so

(28:14):
things did. They came together very nicely, and that certain
things didn't work out the way we really wanted them to,
like ideally, because I was out there for a temporary
amount of time. I wasn't able to get certain scenes in,
Like I wanted to be there for the bridge scene,
but unfortunately it worked out the way it did, which
I'm actually happy about. I think Polly and Travis did

(28:35):
a great job on that scene. It actually like brought
out a little bit of slapstick comedy certain to a
certain degree. I thought that was really cool. But yeah,
I mean I think I think again, just naturally, it
just kind of happened the way it did. It was
scripted out, but then we let people do what they
do and it just came together.

Speaker 6 (28:56):
Yeah, we we definitely just like now, actually everyone had
their own little element that added so it wasn't Sometimes
when you have a vision of something, it may not
be exactly as you want it to be, but it's
it's I feel like the gods are guiding you in
the right direction and so it comes out the way
it's supposed to be. And that's where I think, like, yeah,

(29:17):
like adding the comedy element and all that, and then,
like Justin said, with the documentary, you know, we're rebranding
our band. We took we took a pretty big gap
of space to create this and now we're deciding to
come back, so we wanted to kind of put the
fans with us behind the scenes to show that and
also just more you know, connection to us of who

(29:39):
we are now as people from when they because we
had a good fan base back then. But it's like
now showing people, you know, we're different now, you know,
and we're better now, and so this is. And then
also just having the documentary. We did some interviews and
stuff to explain all that. So I think the documentary
was good for all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
That's really cool. I'm sure the fans love that, you know,
like just seeing like you said, that's really cool.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
I love asking this question. And there's no wrong answer,
I promise. But the three levels of influence, money, power,
and respect, And if you could choose only one of
those things, which one would you choose?

Speaker 5 (30:20):
And why, oh boy, that's it. If I can only
choose one of those things. I mean, no wrong answer,
I think, But I do think. I do think the
moral answer and like the real, like the real when
you look back at the end of your life, the
answer is going to be respect, you know. I mean,

(30:41):
I think that's kind of the you know what what
you what you do unto others, you know, as you
would want done onto you kind of way you live
with your life. But you know, that's a decide, you know,
I think, I think money is very helpful, So I mean,
but yes, respect is above all is doing things respectfully,

(31:03):
doing them in a moral way, in a way that
you feel good about it in the end, and that
you know other people respect you for it, and then
having respect for others in the way that you do it.
So I think that's a very important thing. And then money,
they say it can't buy happiness, but it sure can
get you the car that will lead you in a

(31:25):
direction that you can maybe you know, make yourself a
little bit more happy because it adviyes you that time
to go explore those things and make you happy. You know, power, power,
power over my own life, you know, all other people
you can have that.

Speaker 6 (31:42):
So I used to always say, which I still live by,
is that I'd rather have millions and millions of fans
than millions and millions of dollars, and that I you know,
I would choose respect in that sense over if I
had to pick one.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
For sure, they all play a role obviously.

Speaker 6 (31:57):
But you know, and with millions for me to have
my music just heard and have real fan base is
way more important than having money, in my opinion. And
also when you do have that, you can create money anyways.
So I would choose respect and just having people. You know,
I like when I get chills when I hear a song,

(32:19):
or when I hear a song and it makes me
cry and it pulls these emotions and it heals me,
and it heals my soul. And how you know, I
feel like music really helps save lives from you know,
suicidal thoughts and depression and all of that, and that
to me is way more valuable than power or money,
you know. So when you can save a life with
your music, or you can give someone tears, or you

(32:42):
can give them chills, or they get married to your
song or whatever, that is more valuable than any amount
of money. And that's power in itself when someone just
respects you as an artist. So I think money is,
like you said, it can get you there, but respect
is overall what what every artist should strive for.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Absolutely absolutely great answers, guys. I love the answers. What
what advice would you give to that person out there
that's trying to get into the music world.

Speaker 7 (33:17):
Well, do it because you love it, and always make
sure that you love what you're doing. Don't do something
because you think other people are going to like it.
Do it because you feel good about it. And don't
ever do something out of fear. Do it because it
makes you smile or makes you excited.

Speaker 5 (33:37):
You know. That's that's that's that's my model in life.
Follow your smile. And so you can apply that to
basically anything, but especially music, because music can really get
confusing the deeper you get into the rabbit hole of
the music industry, where you start losing sight of who
you were, You lose track of where you came from.

(33:58):
And don't forget where you came from. And uh and
and and always keep your keep your your mental health
and your your just physical mental health first and and
everything else should follow them.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
I love that.

Speaker 6 (34:13):
Yeah, I would say, do music for you, not for
the fans. You know, make stuff you love. Don't worry
about the fans, don't worry about getting rich or famous
or you know, just do what makes you feel good,
what's best, what's the best thing that you can do
for yourself, you know, because I've noticed when you make

(34:34):
something for someone else, people tend to not like it anyways,
But when you make something for yourself, that's when people
really gravitate towards the music. So just don't worry about
anything except for pleasing yourself. You know, have fun, please yourself,
and just so happens, you'll probably get a lot of
fans that way.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
I love that. One last side note though, is that
doesn't mean that you shouldn't understand what you're doing and
put the time into learning how to do it better
and craft it more precisely, and to be able to
put that message across whatever you're trying to do in
a more professional, precise way, because ultimately, in the end,

(35:16):
it's kind of what you leave behind, and so you know,
if you want other people to pick it up and
listen to it and get something out of it, like
we're talking about, it's best to understand how to do
it right. That's right. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Oh this is a great conversation. I really enjoyed this.
Where can people find you on social media to follow
everything you had going on?

Speaker 5 (35:39):
Well, we're on Instagram, so we're just at Third Borough
three r DP O R O U g H. We're
going to have all those social links on our website
Thirdborough dot com spelled the same way. We're on YouTube
right now. We're really pushing YouTube, so please go onto
YouTube and subscribe and all that good stuff like the video.

(36:02):
Also though, just if you can people on the Upcoming
one hundred, if you look up Upcoming one hundred, you
can vote for us and you can push us to
the top of that hundred chart. And we're like last
time I checked for like number eight, so pumbing up there.
We're making it. So yeah, be really helpful if people

(36:24):
voted for us. We're on TikTok too, so awesome.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
All right, everybody go vote support and thank you so
much for you know, blessing our show today. I really
enjoyed our conversation. One really really quick one word, how
would you describe this song?

Speaker 4 (36:46):
I would use passion.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
Like it one word. That's a great question. One word,
I'll I'll just describe it with love.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Oh that passion and love. Thank you so much for
coming on the show. I had a pleasure, and thank
you all for listening and always remember to live, love, laugh.
We'll see you guys next time.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Thank you, peace, Thank you

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