Ep249 - The Lizard Men - Creep Street Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Oh man, it's Friday night. I'm looking forward to going
out there, meeting some ladies, having some fun. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh yeah, best part of the week, that's.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Right, baby. But I'll tell you what I don't. I
don't know what to wear. You know. I don't want
to just go out as Elon Musk again. I wear
that all the time, and the last time I did,
someone thought I was a tesla and tried to set
me on fire.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Well, don't go as Elon. Go with your fallback, Anderson Cooper.
You already have the cheekbones I know.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I always go as Anderson though too. I want something
fresh but also classic, something sexy, like a John Travolta,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
There you go, John Travolta.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Here, I'll try it on. Oh my got look at
me my hair so ebanea. Can't wait to get out
there and meet all the ladies. You're just making me laugh, Sandy, Okay,
not bad, not bad. What are you thinking? What are
you gonna go as?

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I'm not sure. I don't know. Maybe Nicholas Cage tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Ooh okay, a little on edge, but always fun. I
like that. Ladies like someone with a little edge to them,
but you can still show them a good time. Try
it on.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
That's true. Yeah, let's try this song. I am not
a demon. I am a lizard, a shark, a heat
seeking panther.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Nice stude. It's like I'm standing here with Nick Cage. Okay,
Well here's another idea I had, but it's a little
little controversial. What if I win is Johnny Tapp?

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, yeah that could work.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Mmmm, ladies, may I buy you a drink? I could
show you a world of riches and fame. Maybe you
can come watch me play with the Rolling Stones. What's
that smell? Savar?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I like it? I like it.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, it could work. But if we're in the club
and it's the music's really pumping, people are gonna have
a hard time hearing me, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, that's true. He is kind of a low talker.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Hey, you know what, Let's go as rock stars. Ladies
love rock stars.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Oh yeah, that's a great idea. I haven't broken on
my Bob Dylan in a while.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Let's see it.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
The Lady Queen of Spades, do not. I'd really like
to live beside you want you so very bad.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Very nice, very nice. I think I got something to
go with that.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Now, let's see it.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to finding some real pretty
mama's out there tonight who are gonna sweep them off
their feet, Like, Oh you know, hey, pretty mama, I
see you across the room. Why don't you let daddy
buy a drink?

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Oh yeah, I like it. I like it. I think
this will work.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Oh hey, who's that.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Oh it's the Clinton They're going to meet us there.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Oh, cool, citizens of the Melky Way. My name is

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Dylan Hackworth and I'm Gage Hurley. And you have arrived
in the slippery, scaly swamp that is creep Street. Baby.
That's right. You know you are exactly where you need
to be, my FOURK tongue followers, that's right. Who folks,

(03:48):
we are diving into. It's one of those episodes that
really it's prime B movie vibes straight out of something
you find on Mystery Science Theater. I'm this is weird.
It's wacky and kind of frightening as well. Folks. Today
we are talking about the lizard men. Ah, that's right,

(04:25):
that's right. Let me scale you up with my sources, folks. First,
it's a book called cryptid night things and other bizarre
encounters by will Be Daniels, and then bizarre encounters with
lizard men by Brent swansor at Mysterious Universe. So that's right,

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that's right. Oh, smell that swamp water. Wow. Oh, look
down at your feet. Oh, they're sinking into the wet soil,
muck in the grime. Hope you got your boots on, folks,
because we are waiting, waiting into the mosquito infested waters
of the swamps looking for something that you gotta hope

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you find first before it finds. You were talking about
the lizardmen, and oh man, this is one that's a
long time coming, folks. When you dip your toe into
the murky water subcrypted lore, well you're bound to encounter
all manner of oddities. You got your hairy ape men,
your lake monsters, and the occasional glowing eyed hell hound,

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various creatures of the night have you. But every now
and then something really crawls out of the woodwork, something
that makes you pause and say, now, hang on a minute,
what in the lovecrafty and hell is that one? Such cryptid?
Are the lizard folk? And these aren't your run of
the mill reptile sightings, No, baby, No, These reports fling

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us straight past the fringes of the possible and into
that wonderful, fog drenched waste land of What the hell
is that? We're talking full blown bipedal lizard creature standing
upright like people walking around with a strut.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Kind of reminds me of the faith folk a little bit,
but it reminds me of oblivion. Did you ever play
that Elder Scrolls game?

Speaker 1 (06:20):
And I want to say that, yes, what is the
name of that race?

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I feel like it starts with an a like the
Achillians or something like best.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yes, you're absolutely right. That was exactly the first thing
that popped in my head when you said that. Imagine
that if you need a little help picturing what we're
talking about here, go ahead and boot you up some
old Elder Scrolls and let's be real here, folks. There's
just something deeply unsettling about a humanoid reptile. Don't get

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me wrong, I mean Bigfoot, all these things, obviously they're
all unsettling, but there is something about reptiles right, much
like when we covered mantis people, It hits a weird
part of the brain there's no folk or safety net here,
no cozy origin tail handed down from Gramma's front porch.

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These things are cold blooded enigmas, creatures that feel more
alien than animal. And when folks see these things out
in the woods or on lonely back roads, it doesn't
feel like spotting a rare species. It feels like catching
a glimpse of something from behind the curtain into a

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world that's not supposed to be real. So, whether it's
genetic mutation or some kind of interdimensional spillover, one thing's
for sure. These lizard men tails go beyond bizarre and
into the realm of hard to define. Now, folks, let

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me whip out my easel in ayls and paint a
little picture for you. It's the fall of nineteen eighty seven,
and down in the muggy backwoods of South Carolina, the
air hangs heavy over scape or swamp like a wet towel.
That's when a young man by the name of George
Holloman Junior, he decides to take a break from pedaling

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his bike to hop off near a stream and enjoy
himself a little cigarette. He enjoys that quiet moment like
we all do sometimes, whether you're a smoker or not.
Just a little moment for yourself, little moment to reflect,
catch your breath. As George takes drag and lets his

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eyes wander the area around him, he notices something a
few yards off what he assumes is a log, half
submerged and sun baked. But then, with that slow, stomach
dropping realization we all dread, that starts to move. And

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I don't mean the way like a crocodile can kind
of look like a log in the water, and then
it starts floating. No, no, no, no, this thing rose
out of the water. It stood up. And this isn't
just old gaiter like I said, It's not some trick
of the light. What George says he saw was a
full blown reptilian humanoid, clocking it at a solid seven

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to eight feet tall, complete with glowing red eyes like
burning coals pulled straight from the devil's fireplace. Now the
two of them lock eyes, George and this thing that
looks like it crawled out of some lovecrafty and jean
pool and there's a long tense beat of stillness, just

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that eerie silence of the swamp. No birds, no bugs.
And then thank the Lord, above. A car comes down
the road and the creature, either afraid of being roadkill
or simply being caught in the high beams, it SLINKs
back into the shadows of the swamp, leaving George shaken

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and staring at the water like it might rise up
again at any second. And that's how it all started.
With a smoke break gone sideways. And let me tell you,
once you hear about the lizard Man of Skapeboard Swamp,
you don't look. It's still water the same ever again,

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that's right, almost what Jaws did to swimming the skateboard
swamp monster. Not that many people just go hanging out
in the swamps, but this will make you think twice
before putting on your waiters and wading into that swamp. Folks,
because just when you thought it was safe to take
a midnight drive through the backwoods of South Carolina, the

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swamp decides who it wants for its own company. It
was just past two am on the morning of June
twenty ninth, nineteen eight, a unique hour for a seventeen
year old lad to be out on a late night drive.
But this seventeen year old's name was Christopher Davis. He's
behind the wheel rolling down a pitch black rural road

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that cuts through the thick, humid heart of skateboard swamp.
It's all quiet except for the crunch of gravel and
the occasional rustle in the trees. And then bam, one
of the tires blows out. Now most folks teenagers or
otherwise with a panic, But oh not young Christopher. This

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dude hops out of the car, grabs a spear, and
gets to work under the cloak of mossy oaks in
the southern darkness like it's just another night. Oh but
this was not like any other night. As he's wrapping
up the job, tightening up that last lug nut, something

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and maybe I do mean something thing explodes from the
tree line. And this is not a deer, not even
a bear, which would also be terrifying. But it's not
even some drunk, wandering hillbilly barreling out of the woods.
What Christopher sees is some kind of an upright reptilian nightmare,

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seven feet tall at least and scaled like a lizard,
its eyes blazing red. It rocketed toward him like a
bat out of hell. Panicked, Davis jumps back into his car,
slams the door, and just in time for the beast
to leap onto the roof, claws scrape the metal top,

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the whole car rocking under its weight. Davis put the
pedal to the metal and peels out, heart pounding tires
screeching with that dang thing hanging on for its dear
monstrous life. Eventually, though, the young Christopher is able to
lose it, though not before it literally tears off a

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mirror and gouges deep scratches into the car. When he
finally gets home, as you'd expect, Davis is a mess.
And as for his car, well, it looked like it
went toe to toe with a t rex. And that's
the moment the lizard Man of Skateboard Swamp really hatched

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into the legend as we know it now, because from
that day on, it wasn't just rumors in the dark
swamps anymore. It was front page news. Baby, and Bishopville
would never be the same. Here's a quote from Davis
saying exactly what happened. I looked back and I saw

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something running across the field towards me. It was about
twenty five yards away, and I saw red glowing eyes.
I ran into the car and locked it, and the
thing grabbed the door handle. I could see him from
the neck down. It had three big fingers, long black nails,
and green rough skin. It was strong and angry. I

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looked in my mirror and saw a blur of green
running and I could see his toes, and then he
jumps onto the roof of my car. I thought I
heard a grunt, and then I could see his fingers
through the front windshield, where they curled around on the roof.
I sped up and swerved to shake the creature off. Now,

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Sheriff Listen Trusdale. He's an old school of lawman, the
kind who probably didn't have a whole lot of time
for chasing down monsters and flights of fancy. So when
the young Christopher Davis came rushing to his daddy's house
pale as a ghost, telling him that a swamp dwelling
lizard Halt just tried to tear his car apart, well,

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the sheriff didn't exactly jump into action. He figured it
was probably some local yokels screwing around in a costume,
trying to give the young kid a scare. But when
he got a look at Davis's car. Something didn't sit right.
The roof had deep gouges, the chrome on the fender

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was torn clean off, and the rear view mirror looked
like it had been punched by a.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Heavyweight champ like Mike Tyson.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, it was like Tyson climbed on top of that
car and went to town. Not to mention it was
clawed up like Edward Scissorhands. This was not your average
high school prank. Still suspicious, Truesdale had Davis take a
light detector test his oh damn son, probably thinking the
poor kid would crack under the scrutiny. But our boy, Christopher, no, no,

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he passed with flying colors. That's when Bishopville started paying attention,
because even if you didn't believe in giant lizard men
stalking the back roads in the dead of night, suddenly
here was a seventeen year old kid with a mangled
car and a clean light detector test, saying he looked
the beast in its eye. This meant whether the boy

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actually saw a lizard monster or not, he did see something,
and it was something with the power to destroy his
car by hand. The Lizardman of Skateboard Swamp had just
stepped out of the swamp and into the headlines, and
from that moment on, all bets were off.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
And how would he have done that to the truck?

Speaker 1 (16:42):
You're right, Like if it was a person in a costume,
you would think they would need some kind of tool
like a hatchet or.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, even that, I wonder if if it was like
peeled outward rather than you know, smashed inward like from
an axe, it could be that the clause would do
something more like that.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Good point. And if you notice in the boy's story
when he got into the car, the first thing it
did was try to open his door with the handle,
so it had some sort of knowledge on you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, I mean maybe those lizard people they have their
own vehicles, maybe they maybe what would be a lizard
person's favorite make.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
I know, right, oh man, probably a Mazda Navajo, which
I don't even think they make it anymore. But hey, if
the dinosaurs in Draskic Park can figure out how to
open a door, who's to say that a swamp creature can.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
I mean, anything that's like a lizard but much bigger,
especially yes, stands on two legs and stuff that's giauta
conjure that image of a dinosaur, and maybe that's possible explanation.
I mean, what if these are dinosaurs that didn't actually
die off or something kind of similar that we've just
never encountered. They maybe, like the faithful, keeping themselves.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Hidden exactly, Maybe they evolved into being a bit smarter,
being able to hide themselves. Absolutely, that's a great idea. Well,
just a couple of weeks after young Christopher Davis had
his terrifying brush with the skateboard swamp beast, another pair
of locals stepped into the ring, this time an older

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couple by the names of Tom and Mary Wayne. On
July fourteenth, nineteen eighty eight, they awoke to find their
vehicle looking like it had been through a bonus round
in Street Fighter two. We're talking dented doors, deep gouges
sliced into the metal, wires ripped out like spaghetti strands,

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and the hood ornament twisted like it was made of taffy.
But here's the part where it really gets your goose
to bump. There were teeth marks. The car looked like
it had been chewed on gnaw, as if some massive,
pissed off beast had gotten angry and decided to take

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a bite out of a buick. Yeah, a buick lacrosse.
That's the favorite of the lizard men. But now that's
weird to think because it's one thing to think claws
think because you think, okay, maybe someone could fake that
with farm tools to make it look like scratches like
claws or but shoe marks, Like, how do you like

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this thing looked like it had been chewed up.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, it must have been pretty clear or like it
had a very consistent pattern that they were able to
determine it was teeth marks.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, it would be interesting to know if there was
like even like a saliva or something left behind from
the creature. But yeah, shoe marks is where it really
starts to kind of amp up here, where it's like, okay,
maybe this is more than just a prank here and
get this, When the investigators showed up, they found giant,
three toed tracks damped in the soft earth all around

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the scene. Now, these weren't your average raccoon paw prints
or some trick of the light. These were legitimately enormous.
The authorities took plaster casts and flat out admitted, quote,
We've got no damn clue what made these This was
no mountain lion or bear, not even a dang hog.

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Whatever left these prints wasn't supposed to exist in South
Carolina or anywhere else for that matter. And that's when
folks really started gossiping, because now it wasn't just a
kid with a wild story. It was a sweet middle
aged couple waking up to find that something had tried
to dismantle their engine block with its teeth. Whatever it was,

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it was real enough to leave marks and big ones
at that Now, by the time Summer of eighty eight
rolled around Bishopville, South Carolina, was a buzz, not with
the fireflies or cicadas, but with lizard man fever. After
Christopher Davis's nighttime close encounter and the Wayne family's car

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getting treated like a chewed toy, reports of this swamp
stalking reptilian started pouring in faster than the swamp water itself.
By the time the season faded, twelve separate sightings had
been logged, each one stranger than the last. And we're
not just talking quick glimpses. These were full blown encounters,

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backed by screams in the night and vehicles that looked
like they'd been attacked. By a junkyard demon, and it
all centered around a five kilometer kill zone, smacking the
heart of scape or swamp, where something seemed to be
lurking just beyond the cattails and cypress trees. On one

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wild night, a pair of tines, Rodney Knulf and Shane Stokes,
were out on a double date. You know, just a
couple of honest young men with their ladies, enjoying a
teenage summer romance. Oh but that's when suddenly the thing
stepped into the road. It was the lizard Man, eight

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feet of nightmare, lumbering across their path, its glowing eyes
locked on them like they were next on the menu.
Suffice to say, romance was dead for that evening. And
then you've got George Holloman, a construction worker who just
wanted to get a little water from a well and

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instead the dang thing came at him, no warning, just
reptilian rage. The details of this specific event are foggy,
but George claimed that it straight up attacked him like
it was defending territory. And if that wasn't enough to
make your doors, authorities themselves got in on the action.

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A local deputy, a state trooper, sent out to investigate
one of the disturbances allegedly stumbled upon a scene that
looked like a dinosaur had thrown a temper tantrum. Forty
gallon drums were smashed flat and tossed around like soda cans.

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Trees had been uprooted, saplings snapped in half, and everywhere
they looked giant three toed tracks fourteen inches long, seven
inches wide leading off into the muck. Whatever was hunting
in that swamp wasn't shy anymore. It was leaving its

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calling car. So I mean the idea of like trees
getting uprooted.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
I mean, that's pretty insane.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, I mean the amount of strength, I mean that
is quiet. It makes me think of I know that
the E's fictional, but the villain from Batman Killer Croc.
It's almost like that, Like this immensely strong, huge carnivorous
creature gives me that sort of vibe.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
It's also interesting they had twelve different sightings of this
thing and all within that same five kilometer area. Yeah,
and even the one guy described it as possibly defending
its territory. Yeah, that's probably what was going on, or
that's in its hunting grounds at the very.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Least exactly exactly. So. Now, let's rewind to August fifth,
nineteen eighty eight, when the legend took a sharp left
turn into action movie territory. Kenneth Orr, and airman stationed
at Shaw Air Force Base, came blazing onto the scene
with a tail that sounded ripped straight from a pulp novel.

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He claimed that while cruising down Highway fifteen, just outside
the swampland's eerie perimeter, he came face to face with
the lizard Man, and unlike the others who turned tail
and ran, Or pulled his sidearm and opened fire. According
to him, he didn't just fire off warning shots. He
hit the dang thing, and he had the supposed spoils

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to prove it. Blood and scales allegedly scraped off the
wounded swamp beast. But here's where things get murky. Authorities
weren't exactly thrilled about Or's vigilante cryptid control, and when
they caught wind that he'd been carrying a firearm without
a darn permit, mind you, they came and knocking. Suddenly

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Or's story changed faster than a lizard shedding its skin.
He recanted the whole thing said, he made it up,
And just like that, the evidence, the blood and the
scales was never seen again. Poof vanished into the humid
Carolina air, like the creature itself. Makes you wonder if

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the legal threat was what made the man recant his story. Regardless,
by then, the match had already hit the powder keg.
Local radio station w COS decided to stir the pot
by offering a one million dollar bounty, dead or alive
for the lizard Man. A cool one million dollars to

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bag the Bishopville beast, And wouldn't you know it, folks,
every monster hunter with a mullet and a rifle came
crawling out of the woodwork, stomping through the swamp like
a monster Hunter show on Discovery. Suddenly Bishopville was crawling
not just with rumors and legends, but with loaded weapons

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an amateur cryptozoologist who smelled possible fortune. The hunt was on,
and the hunt was hot, and the swamp it got
a whole lot more dangerous. But as with most good
monster yarns, the lizard Man didn't just fade away with
the end of the summer no Obama. While the media

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frenzy did cool off after eighty eight the creature itself,
whatever it was, kept right on slinking through the muck.
Sightings didn't stop, but they did grow fewer and farther between,
but still too bizarre to ignore. In the late nineteen nineties,
a man named Robert Cooper with the Army Corps of

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Engineers claimed he saw something running alongside the road that
looked half human half dinosaur, which, let's face it, is
the sort of thing you don't just toss into casual
conversation unless you're trying to get court martialed.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, I saw a half man half dinosaur the other day.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
It's pretty wild, sir, Hand over your side arm. Then
in two thousand and four, a young girl said, a
massive lizard like humanoid burst out of the river and
lunched at her. And picture that. One minute you're splashing
around willy nilly in the shallows, and the next minute
the creature from the black lagoon gives you a jump

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scare you'll never forget. And it didn't stop there. In
two thousand and five, a woman living out in Newberry,
South Carolina, reported seeing not one, but count them two
two of the creatures, their eyes glowing red, staring at
her from the edge of her rural property like some

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kind of tag team from hell. Then in two thousand
and eight, there was another case, one of the more
disturbing ones to date. Bob and Dixie Rawson, longtime Bishopville residents,
woke up to find their minivan mauled, not scratched, but mauled.
We're talking deep gashes down the sides, the grill torn

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to shreds, like something with claws had taking it out
for a joy ride. And if this wasn't enough, in
the field nearby were the bodies of a cow and
a coyote, both dead. But here's the thing, no obvious wounds,
no clear explanation, just the lingering feeling that something had

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passed through in the night and maybe it wasn't done yet.
Now that's interesting to me. It's like if you could
rip up a car, how come there's no sign of
parm on the dead animals, right?

Speaker 2 (29:31):
You think they'd be clawed to shreds as well.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Right, And so it makes you think, then, let's say
those are unrelated to what happened to the car. What
are the odds that two weird things would be in
that close of a vicinity. But there might be a
reason why and we'll get into that later on. What
was the Lizardman of skateboard Swamp? And if it ever

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was real, is it still out there? If you ask
around Bishopville, you'll find no shortage of people who will
look you square in the eye and say, yes it is.
But here's where things take a left turn, because while
a foggy Carolina swamp seems like prime real estate for
a scaly bog demon, it ain't the only place something

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like this has shown up. Let's skip states and climates
entirely and head to a place that feels like the
complete opposite of scapeboard swamp. We're talking about the Sonoran Desert,
a brutal, sun scorched hellscape stretching across Arizona, nothing but
scorched rocks, spiny plants, and enough heat to cook you

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where you stand. February twenty fourteen, just outside Tucson, a
trio of mountain bikers were blazing their way along the
grueling Old Pueblo race Course, a seventeen mile loop through
what amounts to a withered, dusty moonscape. These weren't amateurs either.
They were geared up, packed with water, and ready to

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face the heat head on the sort of folks more
worried about dehydration in rantal snakes than paranormal happenings. But
halfway through the course, bone dry, sun blasted, they saw
something none of them were prepared for. Here is what
one witness said. We had been riding for about I

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don't know, maybe nine hours, taking breaks every now and then.
Then Michael says he needs to stop for a minute.
We were waiting for him to finish, when all of
a sudden we see this lone figure walking across the trail.
He's maybe six foot tall and very very skinny, and
it had an awkward gait, almost like a monkey or

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a man with a disease, almost robotic. Then all I
remember about Michael is him saying, what the hell is that?
Or something like that, but he sounded far away. He
probably used a different word instead of hell.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
The thing is.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
We had somehow walked a little towards the thing. Don't
ask me why, maybe it'll look at it better, and
not knowing what it was, and this creature stopped and
made eye contact with me, and I could see him clearly.
The eyes were kind of like a snake's, but black
and with a yellow stripe in the middle of the eye.

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It had green and red scales on its face and head.
The red color was kind of like the same as
the desert sand there, and it looked like it had
a sandy texture too. It didn't have a nose, only
two holes on it. I couldn't see any ears or hair.
A red mouth that looked like it had blood around it,

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but it didn't look like it was bleeding. It looked
more like a pattern. It reminded me of a chameleon,
but it looked like a person too. So you have
a hint here that maybe like chameleons or geckos, or
how lizards can kind of change their color to blend
in with a surrounding. That's kind of the vibe this

(33:08):
thing is giving me here. Is it looks like maybe
it was its face was partially red, maybe because it
was in the process of blending end to the environment.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, that would make sense, and it also would explain
why people have kind of reported different features of its
appearance and different colors. This guy's describing the eyes as
black with yellow, whereas I think earlier they described it
with red glowing eyes.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah. Absolutely, And it makes you wonder because a lot
of those first encounters were at night. Maybe the red
glow had to do with light, like you know how
the way like a light will make a dog's eyes
or animal's eyes like reflect Maybe it's something like that.
I don't know, but what they saw crouched out there
in the dry scrub land was something that made their

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blood go cold, despite the desert heat. At first glance,
they thought it might be a weirdly shaped boulder, or
maybe an animal baking in the sun. But then it moved,
and then the dang thing stood up, not lumbering or slow,
just smooth, quick, and deliberate. It rose to its full height,

(34:18):
tall and lean, with arms too long for comfort and
skin like scaled leather. Then, as if that weren't bad enough,
it raised both of those gangly arms high and started gesturing, waving,
maybe signaling, maybe even giving a warning. No one could tell,

(34:41):
but that chilled them to the core. It wasn't just
the side of it. It was the sound, a high
pitched chattering, not quite a hiss and not quite a cackle,
just something that shouldn't be, like the clicks of an insect,
mixed with the garbled speech of someone trying to say

(35:04):
something to another human being. It almost like the way
it raises its arms, the way it's described, it almost
sounds like it's like hey, like like it's like doing that.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, like it's trying to get their attention exactly. And
the clicking just kind of reminds me of signs.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
It sounds a lot like the Mantis folk that we
covered the extraterrestrial episode. The Mantis people would kind of
have a clicking sound they would make gives you a
creepy ass, Yeah, that's very creepy. And just like that,
it scampered off. It didn't run or walk. It literally
scampered like a panic lizard trying to dive under a rock.

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The three men just stared at one another, not even
sure what they'd actually seen or if it was even real.
They had a quick, urgent powwow. Do we turn back?
Do we go after it? In the end, they made
the very human decision to just keep moving, push through
the final miles of the course, and then get the

(36:05):
hell out of there. But that thing, whatever it was,
it stayed with them. No matter how many times they
told the story, none of them could ever really shake it.
One of the witnesses would later say when you read
these stories online or watch them on TV, well you think, man,
these people are crazy or on meds or something, or

(36:28):
in need of attention. But this has made me a believer.
There has to be more of them out there. If
there's one, there's got to be two at least, right.
I know most people won't believe a word I said.
That's the way I used to be. I don't blame
them at all, but they are out there now. I'm

(36:48):
not saying this is an alien or a chupacabra or
anything like that. All I'm saying is I have never
seen anything like it in my life. But I'm no biologists,
so what I know? Ooh, just had to take a
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without further ado, back to today's story. Back in nineteen
seventy seven, out near Henderson, Nevada, a suburb of Las Vegas,
a woman named Cherry Hinkel claimed her thirteen year old

(37:58):
son took a desert detour. It nearly turned into a
dang cautionary tail. The place was Black Mountain, a jagged
hunk of rock in dust, riddled with old mines and
forgotten caves, the kind of terrain that seems to hum
with hidden secrets and bad ideas. Cherry's sun and a

(38:19):
buddy of his had gone off to explore, as kids do,
thinking maybe they'd find some coal rocks, or maybe even
a rattlesnake if they were lucky. They made their way
across the parched landscape, climbed the foothills, and found a
narrow cave entrance so small that they had to crawl
on their bellies to get inside. They squeezed through the

(38:41):
dark throat of the cave, flashlights barely making a dent
in the darkness, and as I've said many times in
many episodes, that's when things got weird. We'll have to
put that on a T shirt.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
And that when things got weird.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Like on the front it says creep Street, and then
on the bag just says and that's when things got weird.
They found themselves in a small circular chamber about nine
feet across, and in the middle was a pit, not
natural looking at all. And in this pit was a
makeshift ladder that had been built from branches wedged into

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the sides of the shaft, the kind of thing that
screams someone or something was meaning to come back, and
who knows when that might be. But then they heard it. Voices,
not close but far off, and they were echoing like

(39:46):
a conversation happening in another room. Then came the low hum,
steady and mechanical. Was it machinery in the middle of
the god forsake in desert, inside a dead mountain? No less?
Suddenly the cave didn't feel abandoned anymore. Curious, the boys

(40:11):
pushed deeper into the cave. Should have been the cue
to turn back there, but of course they didn't. Curiosity
is too fine, amuse baby. And what they found next
was more than merely unsettling, like it had no business
even being there down a side tunnel carved out rough

(40:31):
like someone had rushed it with ancient hands, they stumbled
across something that didn't belong in the desert or even
on this earth. A metal door, rusty bolted, not like
anything you'd expect to find in an abandoned mine. And

(40:51):
next to it, just lying on the ground like a
calling card, was a weird rod like it was cast
from aluminum or some silvery metal, but lighter in hand,
and it had markings etched onto either side of it,
not in English, certainly, nor did it appear to be

(41:12):
any sort of human language. They were examining it, still,
thinking this was the best adventure they'd ever had, when
suddenly they heard it again, the voices. But these weren't
just whispers or murmurs. Now, these were guttural, deep, even
wet somehow, and they were getting closer. That's when the

(41:36):
boys did what anyone with half a survival instinct would do.
They ran like hell. They raced back towards the entrance
of the cave, hearts beating pounding like war drums in
their chest. But just as they neared the exit, they
heard the metal door creak open behind them, and then

(41:57):
a growl, low and predatory, the kind of sound that
hits you in the bones before it even reaches your ears.
One of the boys turned just long enough to see
a figure stepping out of the darkness, a humanoid, but
twisted in a very inhuman way. Its skin had a

(42:20):
sickly green cast, and its eyes caught the flashlight beam
with a flash of unnatural light. And that was enough.
The boys tore out of that cave like hell hounds,
were on their heels, the mysterious rod still in hand.
They didn't stop until they were back home, wild eyed,

(42:41):
gasping and clutching this otherworldly souvenir. And Cherry their mama,
she saw the rod with her own eyes, said she
never seen anything like it, and that her boy never
went near Black Mountain again. Cherry would say this of
the mysterious I looked at the bizarre symbols engraved in

(43:04):
a three inch section of the rod. It was just
symbols from spirals and circles of different sizes, and a
few triangles and a few unknown symbols. There were no
levers or buttons, and the cap at the end didn't
seem to move. The rod was professionally created with symbols

(43:25):
and smooth to the touch. I knew it was not
a toy, but it certainly was nothing I recognized. Well,
whatever purpose this rod was meant to serve, the lizard
men apparently wanted the dang thing back, because that night,
as the boys were asleep, some crazy went down. Cherry

(43:45):
would describe the absurd events, saying, thus, it must have
been around two in the morning when Mark shook me,
whispering harshly that someone was trying to get into his
bedroom window. I hoped it was just a nightmare, or
his nerves may be still on edge. Quietly, we slipped
into his bedroom and listened to the sounds of scraping

(44:08):
at the window edge. He was not mistaken. In the
light of the moon, I could make out the silhouette
head and shoulders of a man. I was alone with
my four kids, no husband to protect us, so I
grabbed my flashlight suddenly tossed the curtains open to face
the man. There was a glare from the flashlight on

(44:32):
the window, but past that glare that I could clearly
see a large head with ridges on the top, other
ridges on the cheekbones, and the glow of golden eyes.
Mark and I stood still, unmoving, both in fear and shock,

(44:52):
keeping us frozen. The lizard man didn't move either, his
hand still poised in his attempt to pry the window open.
His hand was large with webbed, rough, gnarly looking fingers
with powerful claws. After a couple of minutes, not seconds,
but long agonized minutes, with our hearts pounding, I knew

(45:16):
I had to do something. One hand still holding the
flashlight beam on its face, and my eyes still locked
into those golden eyes. I fumbled around in the dark
with my other hand, hoping to find something to use
as a weapon. He glanced at my hand, looked back
into my eyes. He turned his head a little, as

(45:37):
if he was asking a question. He slightly opened his
lipless mouth, displaying four of his pointed teeth, and suddenly
he turned and ran off into the desert. Well, Cherry
didn't waste much time connecting the dots. That thing, whatever

(45:58):
it was, wanted its downang rod back. Maybe it was
a tool or a weapon, or maybe something even stranger.
But one thing was certain in Cherry's mind. They weren't
meant to have it, and it certainly wasn't worth putting
her family in danger for sure. So she and her
husband Mark did what any rational person would do when

(46:20):
confronted with the possibility of a furious subterranean lizard man
wanting its stuff back. Well, they'd gave that s back.
No ceremony or parting words, just a long, tense hike
back through the blistering desert sun, retracing the boy's path
to that damn cave. The two of them stood at

(46:42):
the mouth of the entrance, the shadows inside curling like
black tongues, and they left the rod there at the threshold,
like an offering or a peace treaty. Then they turned
and walked away. What happened next, Well, that's the thing.
Nobody knows. No sightings, no missing persons, no midnight scratching

(47:05):
at their windows. Maybe the creature took back what was
his and slithered back into the desert. Maybe it was watching.
Maybe it still is. And let's ask ourselves. Were these
things more than just cryptids? Were they aliens, inner dimensional visitors,
something older than both Hell, maybe it was all their imagination,

(47:30):
But ask Cherry Hinkle and she'll tell you it sure
didn't feel imaginary, especially when they were running for their
lives and the Nevada dusk, hearts pounding, clutching, something not
meant for this world or human hands. So clearly there
is in this story there is some kind of technology

(47:52):
that these creatures have access to. There's these symbols written
on this rod, which is funny because in a lot
of Roswell lore, in a lot of sources, they will
claim that in the wreckage at Roswell, on the metal
or whatever it was of this craft there was written
ancient Greek and sole, which, yeah, which gives some people,

(48:15):
you know, obviously that leads in a thousand directions. Are
these actually ancient Atlanteans? Are they all this stuff? So here,
once again you have this what seems like an inhuman
or at least an ancient language written on this metal
rod that was apparently important enough they went running after
them for it.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Right, it's really starting to sound like hidden civilization. Yes,
I mean, the fact that they have symbols means they
have language, which they also have evidence of technology. Even
the door alone suggests that may have been some sort
of structure of there's some sort of entrance to an

(48:55):
underground building or what have you.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Bingo, you're absolutely right. This episode goes each encounter becomes
less and less like an unidentified beast and more like
something out of a weird Twilight zone tail and it'll
keep going in that direction, as we'll soon see, because
some encounters don't come with claws or glowing eyes. Sometimes

(49:20):
the strangest stories are the quiet ones, the ones where
nothing technically happens and yet you still feel rattled to
your bones. It was twenty fourteen and Calusa, California, in
the middle of nowhere, and in the middle of the night,
and a woman was sitting out on her doorstep with
her dog, and the time was just about three am.

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The world was dead quiet, no cars, no crickets, just
the occasional creak of old trees under the weight of sleep.
And that is when the young lady saw him, a
man walking up the sidewalk, slow, steady, smoking a cigarette,
like he had nowhere to be and all the time

(50:04):
in the world to get there. He nodded politely as
he passed, nothing more, just a quiet stranger out.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
For a stroll.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Seems harmless enough, except he came back. Exactly one week later,
at the exact same time, on the exact same sidewalk.
The same man came walking this time, he didn't just nod.
He stopped and said a few words. The witness couldn't

(50:35):
really remember what he said, just that something about him
felt off, not necessarily dangerous, just off, maybe even a
little wrong, like a skipped beat in a song that
you know by heart. Like reality had a little hiccup.
Who was this guy? Was he a ghost, a person

(50:58):
caught in some kind of a I'm loop, a man
stuck in a groove in space time, or maybe just
a lonely drifter with an uncanny sense of timing and
the ability to unsettle your soul with a single look.
The witness would later say, quote, I saw him at
three am again. He smiled and said very softly and

(51:19):
meekly hello, and bowed his head. I returned the greeting,
it's a small rural farming town. No one was out,
and I could hear his hard soul shoes making a
clatter in the still of the night. Well by now
the pattern was undeniable. Week three, same time, same route,

(51:43):
same man, Only this time the illusion the act didn't hold.
The woman was already waiting for him, something in her
gut telling her that he'd be back. She sat on
the porch in that same spot. Her dog tucked close
besides her, ears perked and still, and then footsteps, just

(52:11):
like clockwork. But when the stranger rounded the corner and
stepped into the porch light, it wasn't a man, at
least not anymore. Whatever mask it had worn before had slipped,
and what stood there now was something not meant to

(52:31):
walk in the light of day. It still walked like
a man, still smoked like one, too, only the cigarette
seemed to hang from a slit in its face, a
mouth too clean, too surgical to be real. Its eyes
were just sockets, hollow, black and endless, no expression, no blinking,

(52:57):
just two tunnels cut deep into a face that looked
stretched over a skull. She didn't scream, she couldn't. That's
when the thing paused, as if it could tell that
she finally saw it its true nature, and then, like before,
it nodded that same nod, turned and walked away. The

(53:25):
dog whimpered low in its throat, and the woman sat
frozen for minutes, maybe even hours, until the sun finally
rose and broke the spell. She would never sit on
that porch at three am again, but she kept the
lights on just in case. He came back. Because the
thing about monsters in the night is that they don't

(53:47):
always want to hurt you. Sometimes they just want you
to see them. The witness would say this. I slept
with the double front doors open into my studio type
home for ventilation. At three am, I heard the man
walking by. He had a reptilian face. He was wearing

(54:08):
a hooded jacket. We both stared at each other for
about ten seconds. He had a brow ridge. The scales
looked like those of a snake, and it had a
bluish color to it. I felt it was the same man,
but I was seeing a reptile beam. Well, the porch

(54:29):
slurking lizard man of Caluso was weird enough, but when
something eerily similar pops up halfway across the world in
one of the most deep, dark and damn near otherworldly
cave systems on Earth, well, now we're playing with cosmic cards.
It was twenty fifteen when a photograph hit the Web

(54:50):
that was taken in song Dung Cave in Vietnam, a
place so massive it has its own weather system, complete
with jungle growths and misty rivers, all sealed beneath the
earth like some forgotten Kingdom. If ever there was a
place for a monster to hide, well this was it.

(55:12):
The image, grainy and unsettling, showed what the photographer described
as a devil creature. And there it was, peeking from
the shadows, vaguely human in form, but with skin that
gleamed like wet stone and features that didn't quite add up.
The body itself too elongated, limbs too flexible, and a

(55:34):
head that looked sculpted by some ancient thing with no
regard for symmetry or soul. It was watching him, this tall,
reptile like creature. Now, some say it was a hoax,
a tourist with photoshop and a thirst for attention. Others
say it was real, and worse, not the first time

(55:54):
one of these things were encountered, because some dung like
skapeboard swamp in the Black Mountain and all other forgotten
corners of the Earth have been dealing with strange inhabitants
for decades. And if you believe even half of the reports,
then maybe that Calusa creature wasn't just some isolated encounter.

(56:15):
Maybe it wasn't the only one that learned to pass
as human for a little while. Maybe the world's just bigger, darker,
in a hell of a lot more scaly than we
had ever dared to guess. So far, that tale of
the woman on the porch gets me the most, more
than anything about cars being destroyed. As scary as that is,

(56:40):
there's something about that one that was trying to appear human.
This comes to an important part of the episode. It's
now that I want to draw a bit of a
line in the sand and put up what I feel
are two separate forms of entities, lizardfolk like the one
at Skateboard Swam and that of the even more terrifying reptilian.

(57:05):
And on the surface, sure, they're cold blooded creatures that
haunt our imaginations. Few stir the pot quite like lizard
like humanoids, but not all reptilian monsters are the same.
On one side, we've got the type like the lizard
Man of Scapeboar Swamp, hulking, red eyed beasts that are
said to stalk the back roads and bogs of South Carolina.

(57:28):
And on the other hand, we've got reptilians. These are cold,
calculating shapeshifters hiding in plain sight, allegedly controlling the levers
of global power. Same scales, different nightmare. You see. The
lizard Men are a cryptid of classic design, standing seven

(57:49):
to eight feet tall, with glowing red eyes, tough green skin,
and tracks that would make Bigfoot jealous. The creature at
Scape or Swamp, which was covered in this episode, was
what put lizard Men on the map. It wasn't just
spooky campfire fodder. This monster came out swinging as we know,

(58:09):
terrified townsfolk and their vehicles were being shredded like tinfoil,
blood curdling howls in the night, and three toed tracks
that led straight into the dark heart of skateboard swamp.
The Lizardman remains what he's always been, a regional mystery
that walks that beautiful line between terror and tall tale.

(58:30):
But now let's shift gears because reptilians, oh mama, they're
a whole other beasts. This isn't some swamp monster sniffing
around your pickup truck. This is a global conspiracy that
you've actually likely heard of. These entities were popularized by
French author David Ike in the nineteen nineties, though they

(58:53):
are legends existed long before and just a public service announcement.
David Ike is like a He's an anti semite, just
so we know. But he's made a big name for
himself talking about global corruption and all this stuff. But
he's also happens to have awful views as well on
top of that. But anyway, Reptilians are said to be

(59:13):
hyper intelligent, shape shifting aliens from the Draco constellation, serpentine
overlords that have slithered their way into the upper echelons
of human society. They wear skin and other human trappings
like a Halloween costume, and masquerade as world leaders, CEOs, artists,
and musicians. You may remember that closing joke from our

(59:37):
sketch Fay Versus Gray and King Arthur's Courts, in which
we referred to Hillary Clinton as a reptilian. Now, obviously
we don't believe Hillary Clinton is a reptile, but many
do believe that in the elite's sphere, these creatures live
in disguise. We've mentioned many times on Creep Street, and
we will surely have an episode that is dedicated two reptilians.

(01:00:00):
They're an episode all their own. These aren't just beasts
from the wild, which are terrifying already. Reptilians are puppet masters,
pulling the strings from behind the curtain. Some believe they
feed off our fears, manipulate governments, and even crash economies
in rig wars. Sounds outlandish, but for certain slice of

(01:00:22):
the population, the reptilian theory explains everything, power, corruption, control,
all attributed two cold blooded hands operating in secret. So
how are they similar? Well, obviously both share that primal
esthetic scales, claws, glowing eyes, and the kind of presence
that makes you want to sleep with the lights on.

(01:00:43):
Both lurking on the edge of what we consider normal,
and both represent a type of ancient fear, the idea
that something non human walks among us. But the differences
are so vast. Lizard men are regional, tied to variouspei
places and folklore. He's the monster in the swamp, the

(01:01:04):
thing you tell stories about to freak out your friends.
Whereas reptilians are global, they're a concept. They're everywhere and nowhere,
hiding beneath the skin of presidents, monarchs, and maybe even
your favorite pop star. One is driven by animal instinct,
the other by sinister intention. The lizard man of skateboard

(01:01:26):
Swamp might give your car a few scratches or even
rip you apart, but the reptilians. They'll crash the world
economy and drink your fear like champagne. Maybe a good
analogy is this, Reptilians are like aliens from sci fi
movies that are smarter and more technologically advanced, and they
come to take over the world, whereas lizard men are

(01:01:48):
more like the xenomorphs, more animalistic. They aren't really so
much sentient. They're more just like killing machines. And certainly
on our YouTube when we put the YouTube version of
this online, will almost certainly because it happened once before
when we mentioned reptilians, we'll get one of those community
notes or whatever they put on things like this video

(01:02:11):
mentions reptilians. Here's a link to explain the conspiracy theory
of reptilians. I remember that just because we mentioned it
once before, we got one of those things on our
YouTube video. It's so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Who knows?

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
But anyway, According to retired Romanian General Emil Streneux, a
man not exactly known for chasing fairy tales, this bizarre
little anecdote came straight from a trusted friend, a man
who'd seen his share of strange during his years of service.
But nothing could have prepared him for what he spotted

(01:02:45):
at a lonely gas station near the Retazat Mountains, deep
in the eerie heart of the Carpathians. That's right, we're
in Dracula territory, folks. It was early morning, early enough
that it was still largely dark out. Our man had
just finished paying for his gas and turned a head
back to his car when he saw something. A brown

(01:03:08):
HUMV with its engine purring. It was sitting on the
empty road, all alone. Except it wasn't empty. The humv,
that is, the front door hung open and slouched inside
as casual as a commuter waiting for coffee, sat something
that didn't belong in this world. The being was described

(01:03:32):
as reptilian humanoid in shape, yes, but its skin was scaled,
and its eyes well you've probably already guessed cold, alien,
glowing and ever watching. It wasn't wearing a uniform or
even a coat, just the military boots. That was it

(01:03:53):
a naked lizard being in combat footwear, idling in a
HUMV like it had somewhere to be and didn't particularly
care who saw it. The creature looked at him dead
in the eyes and just stared. Cool is Steve McQueen.
No aggression or panic, just mutual recognition, as if to say, yeah,

(01:04:14):
I'm here, I'm not hiding anymore. And just like that,
the witness got in his car and drove the hell
out of there. It's stories like these that take things
from hey, you know, maybe it's a misidentified lizard to
full blown inner dimensional incident. What was that thing doing

(01:04:34):
in the open? Why in a hum v Why the boots,
and above all, why Romania? Because maybe the howler and
the skateboard thing and the shape shifting sidewalk smoker from
Calusa are just branches from the same scaly tree, and
maybe the Carpathians weren't always known for just vampires. Let's

(01:04:57):
take stock our witness, after staring down a reptilian humanoid
and nothing but combat, Boots wisely bolts for his vehicle,
heart pounding like a kick drum. As he peels out
of the gas station. He dares one final glance in
the rear view, and wouldn't you know it, the damn
thing is still watching him, not chasing him or hiding,

(01:05:20):
just watching him. The kind of stare that goes right
to your soul. No fear or shame, just that reptilian calm,
cold blooded and ancient. Now that would be chilling enough
on its own, But then there's the source of this story,
General Emil Strandum. And this is not some tinfoil hat
wearing basement blogger. No no, no. Strenu's resume reads like

(01:05:44):
something out of a Cold War X Files episode. He
was director of the Special Situation and Research Center on
UFOs and siatronics, founder of the Association for the Study
of Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena, published multiple books on unexplained anomalies,
ancient tech, and cosmic secrets, and perhaps most importantly, he

(01:06:06):
made it his life's work to blow the whistle on
the weirdness. So this isn't some guy who heard a
weird noise behind a Fudruckers and started ranting on Reddit.
This is a man with connections, clearance and a growing
suspicion that the world's weirdest truths are being actively hidden
from the public, which begs the question what exactly did

(01:06:30):
this guy see and how many other people have seen
it and been told to keep quiet? Because if General
Streneu is to be believed, and he's gone on record
multiple times asserting this, then we're not just dealing with
a rogue lizard person in a humvee. We're looking at
a full blown campaign of obfuscation, stretching across continents and disciplines.

(01:06:54):
Could this be tied to ancient underground structures, hidden civilizations,
entered dimensional bleeds, or maybe it's something simpler. Maybe they're
already here and maybe they always have been. Well, that's
gonna wrap it up for our series on the Lizard People.

(01:07:15):
Now gauge as you can tell. Like I said, I
wanted to give a little hint here. Eventually we'll do
a reptilian's episode. That's one for all its own, because
reptilians is a classic conspiracy theory, you know, like it's
your classic Alex Jones sort of. Like I said, we
even made the joke Hillary Clinton is a reptilian. Now,
that concept is very prevalent. I don't know, if you've

(01:07:36):
ever seen on YouTube, they'll be these videos and they're
always so spooky because they put this eerie music on it,
and it'll be slow motion of like George Bush or Obama,
and it'll be like watch their eyes and it'll be
slow motion and it's like they have lizard eyelids that
it's like second eyelids. It's like they'll you'll see those

(01:07:57):
all the time. I can't remember the Preacher, but he's
on that like CBN. I can't remember his name, but
like there's been videos of him like is he actually
a lizard person?

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
You know, that's right, I've seen those.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Yeah, right, so interesting and kind of you know, obviously,
while I believe there are many conspiracies that are real
of information being hidden from us, for certain, that one's
out there. Yeah, that one's out there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
I mean it's not impossible, but it definitely is out there.
And I think probably a lot of those videos. I
mean obviously most of those are probably fake. Still a
really interesting idea for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Right, And as I said, you know, this is an
idea that's been around forever. David Ike is the one
who kind of popularized it. And it's kind of a
bummer because you know, like I said, he's also said
things that are very antisemitic, and you know a lot
of his conspiracies have to do with that and stuff.
So it's like shitty cause it's like if he were
just kind of a little on, like a nutty guy

(01:08:56):
and just thought that reptilian then it'd be like, oh,
that's kind of, you know, fun, it's fun to like,
let's do. But when he starts weaving into anti semitic territory,
then it's like, eh, okay, right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
And that's the thing is, it's like, well, just because
somebody is wrong about some things that maybe even a
bunch of things, maybe really wrong on a bunch of things,
doesn't mean they're wrong about everything.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Exactly right, right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
You got to take each claim on its own.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
So exactly, and you know, like look at it this way.
Say you're a bigfoot enthusiast. You've dedicated your life to
hunting bigfoot. Well, let's say one night a lizard person
comes and destroys your car. Well, you might come out
find the car the next morning and think that's bigfoot,
because bigfoot is your thing. So it might be something

(01:09:45):
unrelated that's still weird, still paranormal, still unexplainable, but it's
something else. We shared that story now, even though it's
very vague. You'll remember in our Rock and Roll in
the Occult episode, we shared that clip of Billy Corgan
on Howard Stern talking about he didn't get into specifics,
but he saw someone apparently he had just gotten out

(01:10:07):
of bed with this person and they were talking and
he turned around and he saw this person change and
they acknowledged it. He didn't say what they turned into,
but and the way he describes it is very sober like.
It's very It wasn't on drugs or anything like that.
Now he didn't specify what it was or whatnot, but
things like that. Yeah, the reptilians are kind of their

(01:10:30):
own thing that will take probably multiple episodes. But wanted
to give a shout out to the lizard man of
Skape or swamp and the tried, true flesh and blood reptilians,
the ones not taking over the world, the ones that
are just chewing on your car.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Yeah, it sounds too like. The commonality here is that
they can alter their appearance, Yes, whether it just be
ei their color or it seems like they can alter
their appearance in a lot of ways, in pretty drastic ways,
especially when you think about the story of if that
man who kept showing up at three am was the
same indeed, which it sounds like he probably was, right,

(01:11:08):
I mean, he went from man to lizard man.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Right, And think about this, As we said earlier, lizards
certain ones can change color with their background in a way,
it's kind of like that they're also camouflaging. But another
thing that I think is so interesting is that between
the man walking on the sidewalk and then the lizard
guy in that Humby, neither one seemed that concerned that

(01:11:33):
they were spotted in their real form. I don't know
if maybe they thought kind of like, you have something
in your teeth and you don't know it, so you're
smiling and stuff. Maybe they don't realize, oh, my costume
isn't fully whatever on you, because like the guy on
the sidewalk still nodded, gave a wave, still smoking a cigarette.
So it's like, did he know that his costume wasn't

(01:11:56):
on right or was it just like he didn't care.
Same thing with the hum V guy, like did he
realize that, oh, shoot, I gotta wear a full uniform,
not just the combat boots, and I gotta look like
a person or did he just not care in that
aspect because in both cases they weren't in any as
far as we know, any sense of danger. Unlike the

(01:12:17):
lizard man, who you know, actually attacked things, these guys
seem more like they didn't realize their costume had fall down.
So they were just going about their day, just like howdy,
neighbor and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Right, or maybe they were outcasts and rebels, yeah, in
their society, and they decided, you know what, I'm sick
of this keeping ourselves hidden stuff. I'm gonna go out
there and see if I can make a friend.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
That's right. Well, I got a list of names who
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(01:14:14):
a fun one. This is episode two forty nine. We
got a fun episode two point fifty coming at you
that I've cooked up. It's gonna focus on our boy
George Washington and a lot of weird stuff that circled him,
as well as the haunting of his home, Mount Vernon.
Very excited to share that. But welcome to summer. Folks
in the Northern Hemisphere, Folks in the Southern Hemisphere. I

(01:14:37):
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