The Creepy Parlour 13 with Christopher Canter of Procession Magazine

Join Genevieve in the Parlour-on this episode, she talks with Christopher Canter, the founder of Procession Magazine, a quarterly magazine dedicated to the Goth, Dark Wave and Industrial scene,

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Welcome to the Creepy Parlor, wherewe delve into the dark side with an
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Parlor every Tuesday at seven pm Easternonly on wlf dB Radio. Good evening,

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everybody, Welcome to the Creepy Parlor. I'm Genevieve and I have my
guest Christopher Cantor here this evening.I'm so excited. So we had a
little bit of a confusion this weekwith some guests cancelations and Chris graciously very
last minute, agreed to join mehere tonight. And he is the the

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founder and managing editor of a magazinecalled Procession Magazine. So I am going
to let Chris explain about what obsessionis. Hi, Calvin, a little
comments there, tell us a littlebit about your magazine. Absolutely. Well,
first, I just wanted to saythank you Jenevieve for having me on

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the show. I'm so appreciative ofI guess this opportunity and so far welcome
so far. A big fan ofcreepy ghosts and ghost stories everything, so
it's kind of a dream come truefor me. That's awesome. UM.

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So basically for anybody who doesn't know, UM, Procession Magazine is a print
magazine UM that is dedicated Yes,yes, UM it's dedicated to goth dark
wave, UM, industrial, UMand kind of all those genres of music.

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UM that I are near and dearto my heart, and I think
you're near and dear to a lotof people's heart as well. UM.
So we've we've so far, we'reat two issues in print right now.
UM. We're working on the thirdissue right now, which should be out
in June. UM. So we'rehard at work interviewing bands, getting content,

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kind of putting everything together. UM. Some of the artists we feature
so far, UM so En Somberwas an issue one, UM, Caroline
Blind, Black Angel, Kiss withthe Whip, a whole bunch of great
ones. In issue one, Issuetwo, it's Scissor Jicks M the House
of Usher assembled twenty three. Um, whole, a whole how do you

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say? Murderers row of really reallyreally great artists. UM. And I
encourage everybody who's a fan of eitherthe genre or any of those artists to
check it out because, UM,I'm really racious they agreed to be part
of the uh magazine. UM,and I just love all the artists that

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we featured so far. That's awesome. So UM for those of you guys
who aren't familiar with the goths subculture, UM, it's uh, well it's
kind of this and also kind ofChris. Yeah, it's very much a
music based I think subculture. Wouldyou agree, Oh, absolutely absolutely,

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And I know there's controversy around it, so yeah, I'm not started trying
to start anything here. UM.I will debate you on it, but
UM, for me, it's thethe alpha and the mega is the music
and and and I think that's whatI'm trying to promote through the magazine itself.

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UM. To me, that's alwaysbeen kind of the gateway into the
golf scene, although now I haveI try to try to say dark wave
scene because I think it really isa lot broader, um, at least
a lot of the music that I'vebeen listening to recently. Um. But
I to me, the music isit? Um, you know obviously the

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fashion, the close, wonderful greatum And I do think that is a
part of it, absolutely, Butum, you know it's it's what I
wake up too and what I kindof go to sleep to every night is
the music. So I agree,And I think it's the music that kind
of brings us all together. Youknow, it's getting us out too when
when we don't have a pandemic.It's what's getting us out to the clubs.

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It's what's getting us out to shows. Um. It really is kind
of a uniting force within the subculturein many ways. Oh absolutely absolutely.
I mean you know you can youcan talk to anybody about the Sisters of
Mercy in the in the sub Yeah, you kind of have a common ground
if you will. Um. Andand yeah, it is a social kind

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of scene as well, which issomething I really really like about it.
Um is that whole aspect of it. Um. So I love being being
a nineties goth girl. I loveI love the aesthetic, Like that's the
thing that's kept me. You know, I'm such a huge Halloween fan.

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Everything in my house is dark,and there's like the skelets, the skulls
that are behind me are are likemy times of core, you know.
So it's it's kind of all consumingfor me, but it really it's something
that. Um. One of thethings that I think is very interesting about
it is that people assume that it'syou know, it's dark, it's maccammon

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sad and yeah, you know,absolutely no, I agree, I agree.
And what's funny is I mean,yeah, I think there's a lot
of how do I say, passionin it, A lot of emotion.
Um, I do think I Itend them. I guess maybe I've been
in it for so long that Ikind of look past all of that.

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But um, I just see alot of creativity, um, a lot
of um yeah, just just energyand excitement in it. And there's a
lot of humor in it too.I mean, I don't think anybody who
is in it takes it too seriously. I mean, I'd loved it,
don't get me wrong. I'd loveto take it here. I love to
take it seriously. But I've alsofound the most Goth people are kind of

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the most I don't know, humorous. If you will, I think so
um. And to Natalie's point here, goth is beautiful romanticism. I agree.
Yes, Um, this is acomment from my my best friend that
I've been friends with for my wholelife. You're a nineties girl. I
never knew. It's not obvious.It just sinks into your bones. You

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know, it becomes part of whoyou are. Um. But it is
the music or the fashion or umjust that that um, that sensibility becomes
part of your persona in a way. UM, my friend Lauren, have
they heard crusadow? I remember them. Some of them are silly, I

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will say, yeah exactly, umyeah, and I'm so much of it
really is just that um, thatperception. You know, people see,
um, somebody dressed up to goto a club, to a goth club,
and you think, oh, Igotta cross, I gotta cross the
street. There's some weird else coming. Yeah. Yeah, it's always Halloween

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in some way. UM. So, UM, I have some questions for
you. Sure, absolutely absolutely.Um So I think, well, first
of all, I think it's amazingthat you are starting a print magazine.
I mean that that right there isjust you need that. I love the
paper in hand kind of thing,you know. I resisted buying a kindle

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for so many years because I lovebooks. Um, So I think that
it's that in and of itself iskind of like a dying art, having
that that print magazine. But what, um, what sort of inspired you
to get started? What made youthink like I'm going to do this?
You know that that same sentiment actuallywas kind of the driving factor. Um.
I mean I started this last summer, um, and it really just

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started as how do I say acounter to Obviously everybody has been online,
everybody has been in screens, andI was really looking for something just to
do too, so you could justsit under a tree and read something yes,
yes, yes, um, andreally just something physical, tangible that

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you could kind of take away.UM. I mean I'm a big fan
of horror literature as well, andI I you know, read a lot
of probably not the best, buta lot of you know, horror horror
stories and stuff like that. SoI was definitely thinking of something literary.
I'm not a writer by any stretchof the imagination, so you know,

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I think I just settled upon kindof It's probably it started really as kind
of a local focus. UM.I I love sensember um, which is
a goth band, um. Andwhen I first heard them, I assumed
from the name that they were somecontinental European you know, maybe French,

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you know, goth band and andyou know, I was totally blown away
by the fact that somebody was doingthis music now, because it's it had
been gone for years. Um.So at some point I went on to
band camp and I saw that theywere from Virginia, Northern Virginia, which
is where I live, and thatkind of clicked for me. Um,

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and I thought, Wow, there'ssome really really good bands out there that
are making really really good music thesedays. And you know, gotta somebody's
gotta not not not you know,somebody's got to write about it. Somebody's
gotta kind of catalog this stuff.Um. And so it really started kind
of that small of just hey,you know, so ensembers here, Um,

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maybe we could do like a littleprint thing. And then I also
knew a few other not personally,but knew of seeing a bunch of other
bands in the area. The NeuralFarm excellent band, um, Kissing the
Whip excellent excellent band. Um.So there was enough, I thought to
get something going. And then itkind of just you know, grew from

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there, you know, doesn't it, Yeah, into a magazine and then
now I guess it's a real magazine. Well. The thing, the thing
that sort of caught my eye isgoing back to like the late eighties early
nineties, yea was it looked well. It came up on my Facebook feed
and I went, oh, mygodness, it looks just like Propaganda magazine.

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And I have such fond memories ofthat magazine and that time and that
nostalgia. And the thing that stuckout to me too is that you're not
focusing on the reflection. You're lookingat bands that are current, You're looking
at the scene now. Yeah,I think it's fantastic, absolutely, And

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I mean I don't want to soundtoo too big or important here, but
I'm not a big fan of nostalgia. Um, you know. I I
was certainly a nineties golf Batcave Bank. That whole scene was great. Um.
But really one of the other inspirationsis there's so much good music now.
It's it's ridiculous. Um. Youknow, like I said, there's

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trad golf coming back. You haveso much dark wave, post punk,
you know, coming out just everywheretoo. It's like coming out of like
the woodwork of the US. There'syou know, Europe has Cold Transmission,
um, which is just ridiculously good. Uh. South America, I'm kind
of secretly obsessed with their whole darkpunk. Uh. It's interesting, isn't

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it. It's so cool. Um, so there and and there's I heard
there's like a golf scene in Malaysia. Uh it's everywhere. Yeah. Yeah.
And and of course you have theRush. I mean I could just
go on, but you have youknow, Turkey has a whole big scene
popping up. You have all theRussian bands coming and just and not saying

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I mean, look, we can'tcover all of that, but um,
that's kind of just it's just exploding, it really is. It's like it's
everywhere now, and it's it's insome ways becoming a little bit normalized.
Like you know, I remember evenyou know, twenty years ago, getting
really aggravated that there were hot topicseverywhere, like they're kind of taking the

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edge off of what we're doing.But they really didn't. I mean it.
Yeah, yeah, that yeah,that, I mean, I will
say one of the things that stillfascinates me it is it's also much more
mature now. Oh yeah, it'snot as you know, there was there.

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I say, you know, inthe eighties and nineties didn't have that
cheese factor to it, which Iloved. But I do like that that
that a lot of the music nowdoes I don't know, how do I
put it delicately, have a morematurity to it. Um that I think
is pretty cool as well. Iwill still lose my mind over Robert Smith

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any day of the week. Ohyeah, any day of the week.
I was more account I was moretalking about the hot topic. Uh yeah,
the Empire. And I love vampires, don't get me wrong, but
that that whole that whole aspect thatkind of creepd in a little bit.
Yeah yeah, And I guess Idid struggle with hot topic. And you
know, I go in there todayand I'm like, I'm looking at these

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these really young kids and like youma'am, and I'm like, if Horton's
older than you. I don't knowif you can see the comments but not
posted Christopher. I love the ideaof going back to the old school underground
magazines, remember, like the reallycool magazines that people used to just put
to other in their living rooms.Yeah, yeah, yeah, there there's

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I will say, I don't wantto take all the credit here, um,
because there are some really cool magazinesout there, um that I've kind
of come across. Um, Sopeople are still doing it. Um.
You know, I I I hopethat procession can rise to the rise to
the occasion. Um. But Ido think there's a lot of still a

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lot of creativity out there. Um. But thank you very much. I
really really appreciate it. Yeah.I mean I think it's just, um,
it's the more creative energy that's outthere the better, right, especially
now you know so many some weneed the good stuff, we need the
fun style. Yeah, yeah,no, I absolutely agree. Um.

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It's funny what I was listening toa certain podcasts about the scene that I'm
a big fan of, and theywere talking about how they want other podcasts
to come online, like it's notcompetitive exactly. Yeah, They're like,
please make more. We want morecontent. I feel that way about about

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this too, you know, Iwant I want more. You know,
the more the more we can gettogether and do stuff like this, the
better. It just brings that that. Um, we feed off of it,
you know, we feed all togetherlike vampires. UM. So I
just want to back up a littlebit, you said that you read a
lot of horror literature. Who's yourWho are your favorite writers? If you
don't mind me asking honestly? Um, right, I I I read a

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lot of HP Lovecraft type stuff.Yeah yeah, yeah, so I realized
at some point in most of it'sjust HB. Lovecraft fan fiction. Um
uh John Langan, who, Um, it's one of my favorite authors right
now. Um? Oh Kitlyn KaitlynKiernan is by far my favorite favorite author

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right oh yeah, he does.Um her her? Every every story I
read by her is just is fascinating. They're not well, they're just weird.
A lot of them are Lovecraft based, and they're just just very body
horror, other worldly kind of Um. It's the stuff that I just like

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eat up, like monsters and andjust different weird part of states and mental
states and stuff. There's some ghoststories mixed in. Um. I just
every story I read by her,it just blows me away. Um.
Victor Lavelle, who did um TheBallad of Black Tom think I'm gutting getting

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that right? Um? And areally good story. Really one of my
favorite novels I read in a while, The Change Lin Uh. So good.
Um, so those are a few. Um, but yeah, I
kind of I kind of have alane and I stick to it. I'm
going, yeah, I'm obviously abig fan of ghost stories, but I'm

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always um, you're talking about Lovecraft, I'm a huge po fan. Like,
yeah, I'm like a stereotype ofthe goth girl. Yeah. Oh
no, I've been rere revisiting Poefor better or for worse over over the
pandemic. I mean, he's justso brilliant. Um. A couple of

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months back, we did aum Edgrollan Poe birthday party on the Kojie Parlor.
Wow, that was a lot offun. Oh that is so cool.
You're you're in his You're in hishome state. So yeah, well
no, Virginia actually Maryland is theoreticallyhis home state. I'm in Virginia.
He grew up in Virginia, didhe? Okay about gand po is I

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think everybody can claim. Oh absolutely, I'm think because I was lived in
New York and there was a bigum brew haa about Nyu Terry and they
have the mantel, right yeah,and and but you looked at it and
you realize the guy was a bumand a drunk and he lived just about
everywhere. Then he lived a lotof places. There's there's a really good

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um A Girl and Poe tour inNew York City in Greenwich Village that shows
like a lot of the places wherehe lived, basically that you know,
when he couldn't pay rent, theymoved. Yeah. Yeah, so a
lot of people did that. Um, enough about hi, Teddy does say
hi to Teddy Hello? Um So, UM, my sister, like I

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said, she's all about this tonight. Um, she wants to know who
is your dream interview with me,your big get for the magazine. I
mean it's got it is Gary Newman. Oh, that would be awesome.
I know, I know I've saidit before, and I've gotten all these
emails saying I know Gary's neighbor andand blah blah blah. Um. I'm

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not holding my hopes up by heis on a level that just transcends,
transcends all of this. But um, I'm a huge fan of his.
Um, I'm fascinated by him.Um and his work and um that that
that's probably number one interesting, right. I think he's fantastic. I mean

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he kind of like he was oneof the goth Fathers really but um it
sounds like he got like a littlesix degrees of Gary Newman going on though,
Yeah they're they're not. Maybe yeah, maybe maybe you'll get them maybe
maybe. Hey, I'm here Gary, if you if you want to,
you want to talk watching could youimagine? Um? Well, one of

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the things that I'm definitely learning fromdoing this this podcast is that if you
don't ask the answers already no,yes, that ye throw it out there.
People say yes, you know you'reyou're I think that I've I've learned
that through life. I think,um, and you're absolutely right, um

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and and you know it's also umyeah, what do you have to lose?
As well? And Ted ted umTed is kind of he's like our
manager here at w LFE. Hesays, never give up. I've interviewed
people I didn't think I would.I would never get a chance to um
and he's correcting me, I said, podcast said podcast, He's silly.

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Sorry, I'm in trouble. Sothe question for Assemblage twenty three that was
the same same principle. Basically,I'm gonna tell you there was no magic
there. Um. Tom is awonderful guy. I don't know him personally,
I do not, but um hewas gracious enough to get on get

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on a zoom with me and anddo an interview, and I'm internally grateful.
Um So that was just one instancewhere um, I really liked his
his latest album, Mourn and fantastic, isn't it. Yeah, it's it's
it's it's Bonker's good, the goodway to describe it. And I just

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I reached out to him and hesaid sure, and and that that's kind
of how how it went now,don't Yeah, don't get me wrong,
It's not always that easy. Umsome people say no, some people are
busy, which is fine, absolutelyfine, but I I I that's just
a credit to him being, umsuch a great guy. He really is

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a great guy. We met himtwo years ago a dark side of the
on and he's so gracious and justso humble and just yeah, he's wonderful.
Watching that would be great And mysisters telling me to get him in
the parlor you can. I don'tknow. I don't want to speak for

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him. So, um So Ted'sasking a little bit here, he's asking
to explain this Procession magazine. Sorryif you already did, if you want
to give the quick elevator speech realquick for Teddy, and then we'll hit
a commercial. Sure sure. ProcessionMagazine were, as I said, a
print magazine. Um, we're reallycovering kind of current darkwave, gothed industrial

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music. UM. So our aimis really bands that are out now doing
their thing, um, you know, make making cool music basically. Um.
So that that's kind of the crux. But we're also trying to incorporate
other elements of the scene. Um, you know, fashion literature. I'm

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always trying to put an author ortwo in um, another art as well.
That's kind of you know, relatedto spooky, spooky, creepy things
basically just my style. Yeah,good enough, Yeah, it's definitely um,
it's it's definitely worth checking out.The website is scrolling along the bottom

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Procession Magazine dot com. Um,and there's also a Facebook page. I'll
put that banner up shortly so youguys can check it out. Um,
and also don't forget to check usout on WLFE dB dot com. You
can now watch us on TV,which is really cool. Wow. Um
yeah, because you need to seethis in giant Um. And now my

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sisters getting ready to send Teddy somemusic so excellent. It's like it's almost
like the not to go back toin the nostalgia. It's almost like the
time of the Bigs tape. Yeah, oh yeah, that's good stuff.
Um, we're gonna take a quickcommercial break, and then we'll get into
what you've got going on, maybetalk about some future stuff. Sure,

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It's wonderful. So let's talk aboutwhat you got coming up, any
any exciting news that you're willing toshare. We're working on issue three right
now. UM, we don't havethe total lineup finalized. UM. I
will say because Justin put it onhis Facebook that we're gonna have Feeding Fingers,

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which is one of my favorite bands, um out there right now.
So that that was really cool.UM. And yeah, we're still we're
still piecing together stuff. UM,but we're we're definitely hard at work on
issue three right now. UM,and we expect that to hit hit the

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streets June first. UM. Soobviously follow us and uh uh pick it
up if when it comes out,I'll throw that banner up on the bottom.
Yeah you can. You can followfollow them on Facebook. Um like
like them on Facebook. Follow them. Um, So you're it's quarterly a

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quarterly magazine. Yep, yep,We're on a quarterly schedule. So the
last one came out March first,and then June first, and then we're
gonna what's after that? August?I think maybe September. I think maybe
September first. My math is gettinga little fussy. So you just mentioned,
Um, you just mentioned that youhave one of your favorite bands coming

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in and you're gonna have them inthe magazine. Does that like, I
know you've only been doing it fortwo re issues, but does that still
like get you all giddy? Likeit's one of my favorite bands? I
mean every band, I I willsay, I I I interviewing any band
to me kind of gets me gitty, if you will, UM not that

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that that I'm the be all endall, because I will add and I'm
just we can say way that later. But there are other people who are
helping with magazine. UM, soit's not only me dictating all of this
stuff. UM. But UM,you know, generally speaking, I'm I'm

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only gonna feature content and artists thatI like. UM. Yeah, yeah,
where I think it's good. LikeI'm not gonna it's kind of obvious,
but I'm not gonna put something Ithink is not good into the magazine.
UM. But there is a curationprocess, I will say. I
mean Issue one was just me sayingwhat what do I like and what can

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I put into magazine? And thenthe same thing still with issue two.
I think issue three, there there'sbeen a lot more input from the other
people, UM who have been workingI've been working with UM. But that
being said, you know, weare all very very passionate about all the
artists we feature. UM. Theredefinitely have been going back to the original

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question, UM, they definitely havebeen people I've been more nervous I guess
to talk to. UM. Ithink the funniest was the House of Usher,
which are a one of my favoritejust goth bands. Like they're just
a what I would call a trackOh yeah, I mean they are.

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They are like a trad Goth Germangoth band. I loved them since you
know, their first their first tracksthat appeared on compilations back in the nineties,
and I've kind of tracked them andum so I I they hadde a
new album out. I reached outto them and they, you know,
they were gracious enough to say,yeah, we'll do it. Um.

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And I was really nervous. Iexpected these just goth German guys who are
super serious and you know, verygothic and stuff like that. And I
interviewed them and they were just abunch of and and this is not an
insult, middle aged German guys wholike to drink beer and make fun of

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each other. That's awesome. Um. Yeah. So that kind of goes
back to the humor thing, wherethey were very into the scene, like
they weren't not goth, Like theyknew all the bands I think they've played,
you know, Wave Gothic, treffIn and Whitby and and there their
season like they're legit. But itwas just a great conversation where they were

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just telling road stories and making funof each other and there was just this
kind of really funny camaraderie about itand that was quite memorable. And I
think, you know, it's we'recreating, we're creating art, we're creating
content. So it's like, um, I know, for me, every

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time I reached out to somebody andthey agree to be on the vodcast,
I'm like, oh my goodness,I have a new friend. Yes,
whether or not that that's really it, and and I don't again, I'm
I'm. I don't want to soundmore important than than I am. Um.

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But one of the things that I'vealways really appreciated about the goth scene
is just the community aspect of it, where you can really kind of share
things with people that you like.And to be honest, I a part
of part of starting the magazine wasI kind of missed it. Um.

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I don't want to say I fellout of the goths scene, although you
know it kind of faded in inin av after two thousand and ten,
um, and you know, therewasn't much certainly not in the way of
real goths is what I would callit. And you know, I still
listen to the Sisters of Mercy andum, you know, Eyes of the

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Nightmare, Jungle and all sorts ofweird dark music. But I missed it,
if you will. So part ofthis is just me making a concerted
effort to get back in even beforethe pandemic. I really did start making
a point to go out and seeyou know, Zimox and Draft Majesty and

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a whole bunch of other bands andreally kind of get back into the social
side of things. Yeah, webriefly talked about that yesterday we chatted.
Um, yeah, we were wewere making a point to go out to
qxt s one at least once amonth and get reconnected with the scene again
because it had been so long,and um, you know, life gets

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in the way and things change andall that. And as we were starting
to like really get into that routine, now we're in lockdown. Yeah.
No, absolutely, And I thinkthat's the kind of magazine kind of comes
out of that for me was youknow, I was started going out,

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I started seeing shows. I startyou know, and then it's kind of
like, well, there's nothing kindof going on right now, let's do
something. And you know, II so but it's good, I really
and and just going back to thepoint of kind of the friends you meet
along the way, Um, Imet some so far, you included I

(37:27):
met some really really cool people mscissor. Jack's a huge fan of them.
I knew they were from DC.But during the interview it turned out
that they live really close to me, so I've I've kind of kept in
touch with them. They're amazing people, and you know, you do start

(37:50):
to kind of meet people, um, the guys from Deliverance or Amazing.
Um, you know, I actuallyeverybody's amazing. I can't I don't want
to single an yeah, because onceyou start naming them, we can spend
a whole hour doing that. Um. Ted's Ted's comment here, I like
this show golf. Music is kindof in the closet sort of speak.

(38:10):
Not in the mainstream. Definitely notin the mainstream now. And uh,
yes, Ted, I did callyou earlier. Uh his comment, Um,
but it is. I mean itis. You know when I when
I go see a band and Iget all excited and giddy and stuff about
it, and I'm trying to explainto people who it is and They're like,

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we have no idea what you're talkingabout. You know, I'm used
to it now. Um, Iwill say, yeah, it is hard
when you know, I'll be ata function, even a neighborhood function,
and they'll ask, oh, sowhat music do you listen to? And
I kind of have to give thewell, you've never heard of it,

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and then and then it's always no, no, no, but I probably
have try try me. No youhaven't. And then I'm kind of like,
well, do you know the Sistersa Mercy are because I think everybody
knows who the Sisters and they're like, no, not really, and then
you're you're you're kind of I mean, if you go with the cure,
everybody knows who the cure is,yeah, I mean everybody. Yeah,

(39:14):
of course, like cures on Pelotonlike yeah, God, I can't even
talk about it. Um. Butthat's the thing, like, it's um,
it's funny because when we I'm goingto tell my sister's story a couple
um a couple of years back whenwe went to the Dark Side of the
con Um, my sister said tosomeone that she was going to a golf

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convention, and the guy was like, a golf convention, no, goth.
Yeah, totally different, very different, very different. Yeah, it
is a totally different world. Yeah, no it is. It's fun,
it's fun. But then that's oneof the things I always also like to
keep it in perspective, is itis a total world if you um,

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which is fun, which makes itreally really fun. Um but it is
also not connected to anything else.It's not and it's a little bit hard
for people to um understand, youknow, there's so much of a I
know, at least for me,there's so much of a commitment to that
music. And a lot of theartists are actually pretty accessible. Yeah,

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you know you if you you know, you can support them on Patreon and
like actually be a part of thecreative process. It's fascinating. Yeah,
I mean, that's why I mean, this is now we're getting really into
the weeds here. But that's oneof the things I think that has always
drawn me to the goths scene.And I'm sure there's you know, I
think about it a lot actually,because I'm sure like the punk scene or

(40:45):
the rockabilly scene or something is thesame same, you know feature. But
I've always loved the accessibility of itthat you know, the artists are how
do I say this without sounding crazy, They're normal people like um, They're

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approachable and and and it is asmall community where you know, you can
go out to the club and youcan see meet the artist, and everybody's
kind of everybody's in it. Andthis is what I've also found doing the
magazine is everybody is in it forthe love of the project, basically at
autely because there's no there are norich goths out there. Maybe maybe maybe

(41:34):
there will be one day. Yes, yes, yes, yes, but
you know, sorry, but umno, it really is special and and
and and I really do appreciate itdefinitely, And I think that, um,
what you're doing is just so cool. You're you're really kind of curating

(41:54):
a lot of that art that's outthere promoting it. I'm sure that people
are absolutely loving that. Yeah,I hope. So, I mean really
it is. Again, I feellike I'm a fan here a lot of
the times, and it's really justjust saying, wow, this is this
is great, Like ignore me,look at look at the new you know,

(42:19):
look at the new artists coming outhere, and look at all this
great work that everybody's doing. Imean, yeah, there's just so much
good stuff there really is, andand the music is such a huge part
of it, but it's really onlya part of it. Yeah, yeah,
exactly. I'm not sure if yousaw Tad's comment before, he said
if you ever want any paranormal content, to let him know. He does

(42:43):
normal investigations and stuff well let melet me see issue three. I'll get
you connected. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely. We're always
looking for good stuff. It's goodspooky stuff. So me too. So
if you know of anybody you canthrow my way, that would be cool
for sure. Always looking for spookystuff. Um, so what just go

(43:08):
just to go back a little bitfurther, Um, what was your first
like introduction to to like the gothscene. Oh yeah, I'm a kid,
so it's not as cool as likesuddenly I saw a vampire and all
of a sudden I became a Butwe write that story, we can tell

(43:28):
it that way. Yeah, that'sbasically accept that. You know, I
know, I mean I I Iwhen I grew up. You know,
actually I don't know. I justreally like Skinny Puppy and ministry. Yeah.
And then you kind of that's kindof the path, the garden path

(43:49):
you kind of followed down, umwhere it's like, well, if you
like Skinny Puppy, then you'll likeKem Lab. And then you like Kem
Lab, you'll like you know,Rosetta Stone. Um, and then oh
what's this Cleopatra Records? Oh thisis cool? Um, I want all
of it right now. Yeah,and that was not to not to date
myself, but back in the dayswhen you had to actually go to record

(44:13):
stores and stuff like that, justto make myself feel really old. As
like A Hole came out thirty oneyears ago this week. Oh gosh,
oh gosh, wow. I wasonly like three at the time, I
wish. Um, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, you know,

(44:36):
yeah, you kind of just yousink into it and if it finds you,
and it kind of you know,the more the more you get into
it, the more it develops youexactly exactly exactly, like like fog on
the dance floor. Yeah, we'recoming back to it. You know,
even before I knew who Bowhouse was, I really liked Ed Grellen and um

(45:00):
like really like Ed grell and PoeUm and definitely you know, Clid Barker,
Stephen King, you know all ofthat. So I don't want to
say I was predisposed to it,But there's always been the kind of the
the love at least horror and youknow, the strange, weird stuff as

(45:22):
you will, there's always that threadm hmmmles on that thread and wraps you
in. So I'm curious too,Um, how many uh do you guys
have any um in your area,do you have any like golf clubs or
anything like that pre pandemic? Wedid d C. D C actually was

(45:42):
was pretty good. Um. Therewere one or two nights that um,
I mean Vanguard, I've I startedgoing out too, um, and there
were there were a few other nights. I mean, it wasn't. I
don't think anybody will admitted it was. It was. It was what it
was when it was in a tataum. But yeah, it was.

(46:04):
It was good and like everybody Iknew, you know, in the in
the scene was really really cool umand really dedicated to it, um,
which which I really appreciate. UM. So it was okay. I'm I'm
concerned that there's gonna be not muchleft after after all of this. It's

(46:27):
an interesting it's an interesting question.UM. You know, I do know
every artist I talked to has saidthat the first they're all everybody is chomping
at the bit to get back outthere and tour and play shows. Um.
You know, I think one ofthe tragedies is I talked to a

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lot of artists who released the albuma year ago, and they had all
these things to tour, and theybasically said I didn't get to tour with
this album. I love of UMand it really really sucks. Basically,
Yeah, I mean we still havewe still have tickets for Lords of Acid
in the Esthetic Perfection. We stillhave them. They were supposed to play

(47:10):
last year, oh wow, andthey didn't play because that was a whole
tragic thing for me personally. Butthe story, oh no, absolutely,
I was. I had a wholewell, I don't want to get this
is too depressing, but I hadYeah, I had a whole bunch of
shows. I was like going tokick kick off like Birthday Massacre, and

(47:32):
then the Frontline Assembly, and thenthere was a few others. I was
so excited about UM and then wallYeah we went. I think one of
the last shows that we saw actuallywas Assembled twenty three. To go back
to that and Tom, she wastalking about how we saw him a qxts

(47:52):
and he was saying, um,it was their birthday party and I think
it was like a fifteen year birthdayor something like that, and saying,
help found it was that they uwere open for that long like usually they
tour and then the next time theytour those places, those venues aren't open
anymore. There's there's a good umfoundation up in this area for all all

(48:13):
of that stuff. Oh. Absolutely, absolutely, um. But I think
that you know, the fact thatwe are not able to do all that,
I mean, that's kind of what'sinspired you to take on this amazing
magazine. M you get that.No, it is the silver lining,
like it definitely is the silver lining. It's not much, um, you

(48:36):
know, but I and I willsay one of the things that I do,
again in all humility, is if, if, and when, And
I'm I'm very optimistic that things willcorrect themselves. Um that I you know,
whatever the magazine can do to getthings back and going and maybe even

(48:57):
make it stronger is something that Iwant to try to do now. Again,
I have a lot of humility,and I'm I'm not professing to that
I'm going to you know, rearrangethe world. Um, but you're gonna
have a you have a significant sayin what people are seeing right now too,
and that's important. It's good toacknowledge that. M hm. No,

(49:19):
absolutely absolutely, And I just wantto I really hearing all the artists
you want to get back out thereand play music and kind of meet their
fans. Uh. Really is somethingthat I want to help them do too.
Yeah, definitely, you know,and also I want to see some
live music too. God damn it. And I can't take its us I

(49:40):
know, I know, like Iblock it out, but I'm kind of
like, it's just be so niceto get a beer and watch. You
know, we're so crazy. Weflew out to LA a couple of years
ago to CV and V show.Wow, that's ye crazy, dude.
I'm thinking about flying to Texas ifthey if anybody wants to join me.

(50:05):
Um, well, we only havea few minutes left. I was wondering
if you want to give a shoutout to everybody else that works with you?
Um? Yeah, I mean Ireally want to thank Renee, um,
John and Elizabeth who um are kindof in in this crazy project with
me. Oh and Andrew too.Um who does they put on the spot?

(50:30):
No, no, no, that'sall right, that's all right.
Um. Just I want to thankthem, um for helping out with this
madness. Um and uh, reallythank all the art I mean really just
thank all the artists to have agreedto to jump into this thing, because

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I couldn't do without them, andI think they're all really really special I
agree. UM. For you guysthat are just chiming in now, please
check out Facebook dot com Procession Magazine. Like it, follow it, share
It's an awesome, awesome magazine.UM, I can't wait to get my

(51:12):
Oh if I if I subscribe today, do I get the back issues or
do we go forward? No?And I buy the back issues because it's
too hard for me to track ifyou sign up. Well, if you've
bought it, it's just two Sorryguys, I I can't track who's bought
what. Um. But if youdo sign up, you just email me.

(51:34):
UM, I'll give you a discountcode so you can get the back
issues for pretty good discount. UM. And uh. Also feel free to
email me if you have any questionsor just feedback. UM, Hey this
is great or hey this sucks.UM. But I I'm it's me so
I'm more than happy to uh evenshoot the shit about goth bands if you

(51:59):
want. And that was something thatreally struck me. I was so impressed
at how fast you got back tomy request. I was. I was
like, oh, yes, thisis gonna be great. Yeah now now
yeah, I try keep in mind. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard
to keep up with all that stuff. It is, it is. I'm
trying my best. I think you'redoing a great job. Thank you.

(52:22):
Do you have anything else that youwant to mention that's coming up? I
know you have the next issue comingup soon. Yeah, that's pretty much
what we're what we're what we're workingon right now. UM. I don't
know if I should say, I'llgo ahead and say it. UM.
We're also, as probably as soonas tomorrow or by Friday, we're going

(52:47):
to be selling a print version ofthe Negative Gain magazine as well. UM,
so do check our website out bythis weekend, I will have it
posted. UM. This is uh. It is basically a print version of
their digital magazine. UM. NegativeGain is a great, great record label

(53:07):
that has some amazing, amazing kinddark electro bands. UM. This whole,
this whole magazine focuses on women inthe dark electro scene. That's what
it's called. UM, it's reallycool, it's in color, it's beautiful.
UM, and we're gonna be sellingthat as well. UM. So

(53:30):
that's my plug for that. Sowe just got an exclusive announcement here.
Yes, yes, awesome, awesome, and the next issue is coming out
in June. You said, yeah, June first is the street date.
UM so we'll we'll put it well, we'll put out announcements in May.

(53:50):
Um, but we're really really excitedabout it. Um. We've got some
pretty good, pretty good artists linedup. UM, and that's gonna in
this episode, this this issue.She was going to be. UM,
I think much more dark wave focused. UM, kind of more you more
you're dark, not dark electro,but your post punky um bands like that.

(54:12):
UM. So it's it's gonna bepretty kick ass. Every time every
time we talk about goth stuff,I always think everyone always reminds me of
the South Park kids with the Wellthat's usually how I can like explain to
people what it really is. Andthat just reminded the kick ass just reminded
me of that. No, that'sokay, it's great. We'll get the

(54:36):
Ghosts to be a back here aswell. He might be at my house.
Yes, he likes to visit uphere. UM. So anything else
that you want to mention before wesay, before we say goodbye, uh
not just saying I would just wantto thank everybody for tuning in to UM

(54:58):
and supporting the magazine. Um,it really is kind of my Labor of
Love, if you will, AndJenevie, thank you for having me on
the show. This is thanks forjoining Real Free. Thank you for agreeing
to be on so quick. Imean no, no, no, that's
fine, that's fine. I meanlisten, any chance I get to talk

(55:19):
about, you know, golf bandsfor an hour is golden for me.
Welcome back, You're welcome back anytime. Oh, absolutely, absolutely well.
I think that that's all that wehave been for this evening, my creepy
darlings. UM, please check outwlf dB dot com. We have all

(55:42):
sorts of great entertainment there. We'vegot Paranormal View, we have the LGBTQ
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TV, which is really cool.I think that Jillian is watching it on
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Don't forget to like, follow share, UM, stay tuned here. UM

(56:02):
we have Where's My Stage coming upnext and next week I've got here at
the Creepy Parlor. We're going tobe talking to Melinda, who um is
going to tell us about her futureplans to build a museum of mortality.
Very very exciting style. Yeah,you're gonna have to you have to watch.

(56:25):
Um now, I'm intrigued. Iwould like it. Um, Chris,
if you wouldn't mind just hanging out, I'm gonna go to my uh
say good morning, goodbyes. Allright, thanks guys, Thanks everybody,
thanks for watching. We'll see younext week with some really fun stuff as
well. Have a great week.Thank you for joining us. A creepy

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barlor. Join us next Tuesday atseven pm Easter for another fantastic show.