The Creepy Parlour 16, Soul Sisters and Ghost Biker Explorations

Genevieve welcomes Kristy Sumner of Soul Sisters Paranormal and Miranda Young of Ghost Biker Explorations for a hauntingly fascinating conversation!

Episode Transcript

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everyone, and welcome to the CreepyParlor. I'm Genevieve and I will
be your ghost is for the nexthour and I'm absolutely delighted that you're sharing
this time with me this evening.I'm even more delighted to introduce my guests
for tonight. We're here with metonight. I have Christy Sumner from Soul
Sisters Paranormal and Miranda Young from GhostBiker Explorations. So I'm going to let

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them talk about who they are andwhat they do. Here we go.
Welcome ladies, Thank you for myfriends tonight. Thanks for being here,
So go ahead and tell everybody whoyou are, please. All right,
Well, I'm Christy Sumner. I'mthe founder of Soul Sisters Paranormal, and

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I'm Mirandy Young and I'm the founderof goes Backer Explorations. Awesome, So
we're gonna talk about quite a fewparanormal things this evening. I'm hoping right,
Dominic, says him. Robin Jonesare also saying Hi. They are
also paranormal investigators based out of Tampa, Florida. Well, fantastic, I'm

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actually out of Bocalla, not toofar in. This is my sister Jillian.
I have to acknowledge her, especiallyyour Soul Sisters tonight. So um,
so let's start with you, Christy. How long have you guys been
doing paranormal investigations? But we actuallystarted in two thirteen and it's just a
team that I formed with my twinsister Jenny, and our younger sister Michelle,

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and two family friends, and webasically go all over the country looking
for historic and reportedly haunted locations andwe really provide a history narrative of those
locations as well as conducting paranormal investigationsto see if we can either validate or
debunk those paranormal claims. In twentytwenty, my sister Jenny and I my
twin and I actually became the theinvestigators for the team, but for logistic

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reasons really and the other members actuallyjust join in when they can. But
right now we've actually moved to atwo investigator format. Yeah, and I'm
Miranda Young and and I'm a motorcycleriding paranormal investigator. I travel around the
country on my motorcycle to different hauntedand historic locations. This is some major

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locations as well as a lot oflocal legends, is what I like to
focus on. And like Christie andher team, I cover the historical narrative
on my web series. And I'vebeen investigating for a little over ten years.
Started out with the team, andfour years ago I started to go
Spiker Explorations. So I'm merely asolo investigator. Primarily solo, you said,

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yes, Usually it's either just myselfin a camera person or just myself
filming blog stuff and then sometimes alsocollaborating with other teams fall sisters. Very
cool, very cool, um,very important question here from my sister.
How do I get these jobs?Just go out and start investigating and really

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become a struggling artist. Yeah,yes, that's that's the best way to
do it. I'm sure. SoI'm guessing that we already believe in ghosts,
right, I don't have to gointo that question. We do,
Yes, yes, um, youguys. I kind of briefly talked a
little bit about this the first timethat we met. But I'm not a

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ghost I'm not a paranormal investigator.I'm a storyteller. So I I love
everything that you guys are doing,but I'm really drawn to the history and
that legend of how the how theparanormal activity continue is and all that stuff.
I love that stuff. So whatwe delve into both of us,

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you know, for Soul Sisters andGhost Biker, we believe that the history
really is what is drawing us tothese locations and really what's important. So
even absent any paranormal activity that wewould capture on an investigation, you know,
Soul Sisters is going to produce avideo and give that in historical narrative
because we feel that the historic preservationof these locations and really the historic nature

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of the place itself is what's importantin what we do. Yeah, and
I echo that cinement as well,because you know, if I go and
investigate a location and there's not anytype activity, the type of locations that
I like to pick are ones thathad a strong enough story and a strong
enough history that they'll be able tostand on their own when we put them
out in a video. We've justbeen very fortunate that we've gotten some really

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cool activity with these different locations thatwe've we've gone and highlighted. That's that's
awesome. And I think, um, I we've we've talked about this before,
you and I Christie. I thinkthat the um the history, having
that paranormal element to the history reallyhelps people to remember that history. And
you're actually right, that's a greatway to say that. Basically, you

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know, the paranormal is just anotherlens in which to view the history of
these locations. Um, you know, and I'm paraphrasing that from from Fort
Mifflin, my contact there at FortMifflin, which is just an amazing location
to investigate again for that for thathistory as well as the paranormal aspect.
But if you go in with themindset of first researching the historical narrative of
these locations and being able to relaythat to your audience, then the paranormal

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really does become secondary, at leastfor us. Um you have these teams
that will go out there or youknow YouTubers that will go out there and
really just just do a different stylethan what we do where they're actually they
are doing alive in the moment,And for me personally, I think that
really skips a lot of why locationis important. So to be able to
tell the story historically and then couplethat with the paranormal to see if that

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validates that history is really what wedo and that's the mindset that we came
up with right away. That's what'show we were going to do our videos.
Yeah, and it's kind of thesame way here, and I take
it just a little step further,being that I'm a biker. Um the
paranormal is actually third on my show. I like to definitely, you know,
highlight the history, but then alsothe travel and let people know that

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it's it's not just about you know, the destination. There's all these different
locations and all of this different historyalong the way that you might not think
about as you're passing through a smalltown so I try to cover all of
that to travel to get to thatdestination, the history and then the paranormal.
Like I said, it's usually thirdum as far as on my show
Distancing, So you do the historicalresearch first before you go to a location.

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We actually do a sol Sicer actuallydoes, so we would do a
really deep dive into historical archives,state Archives, the Smithsonian, the Laborric
Congress to really see what we canfind about the location and that really allows
us to guide our investigation when we'rethere. So the research allows us to
formulate investigation questions. It allows usto bring different trigger items or create trigger

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items that we can take with usinto the investigation. And then afterwards,
after we conduct the investigation and wego through the evidence review, we will
also go back and verify that withthe research or do a deeper dive if
we feel that we have to.Yeah, and we're the same way as
well. And especially since I'm usuallytraveling on my motorcycle, I like to
really target my tools that I takebecause I have to travel light and so

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I like to target the tools aswell as the trigger items that I'm taking.
So I always look at if I'mgoing to be spending X amount of
hours at a location, I alwaysreally want to double that with my research,
and so so I always go indo my research first, or if
someone's come to me with a storyabout a location, always like to try

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to find as much information as Ican, target my tools and my trigger
items, and then go into theinvestigation if if I'm able to go another
you know, on multiple days,I like to do that, but I
always always have to spend more timeresearching up front than I do as far
as the investigation. So just sothat I know there may be some people

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that are watching that aren't really familiarwith power normal investigation, Can you just
describe what trigger items are and whatthey're used for? Well, for us,
and you know the definition that I'llget it. It's an item or
something that you take with you thatan attempt to elicit a response from a
spirit or an entity that may bein the location. So, for example,

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when we investigated at West virgin StatePenitentiary, one of the spirits there,
whose name is Red Snyder. He'ssupposed to be the spirit of a
guy that was the leader of theEarring Brotherhood. He was in the West
Produce Day penitentiary for murder. Reallybad guy, but two of his vices
that he had more tobacco and watchingDays of Our Lives. So what we
did in that moment is or inthat investigation, is we downloaded an episode

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of Days of Our Lives onto ourlaptop and we put that in the cell
and let it run for an hourwhile we went and investigated another location of
the prison in order to trigger himto communicate with us. So that's that's
what that was our trigger writing forthe night, that episode of Days of
Our Lives, and we feel becauseof that, we were able to have
a really good session with him wherewe were getting voices on our voice record

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as well as indications on our ktwo meters that he was there. He
appreciated what we did for him.So that's really you know, that's how
I would define a trigger on him. Yeah, the same here. Anything
that we can essentially trigger the topof activity. It can be something as
simple like she said at you know, something targeting through that area that you

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know the spirit likes, or itmight be era related, um, you
know, or you know, takingcigarettes and stuff to to a prison,
you know, So trying to thinkoutside the box when we're doing that and
and and of course sometimes it willcome to you, you know, when
you're there, and you know,it might be yourself or a person that

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you're able to use as a triggerout him as well. And what I
really you have a little Monday ofa high from Sarah to Sariolo and Joan
Allen here. I popped this upa little bit while you were chatting Um
that she'd love to get with yousometime and share experiences that she had in
two thousand and five and two thousandand six. Yeah, general'll definitely get

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together and talk about that for sure, um, And Dominic says, uh,
hey hay al fam here houseall Um. The thing that I am really
really appreciative of is in your youthuse of the trigger items. It's not
provocational, it's it's respectful. I'veI've watched um obviously, of course I'm

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going to watch your videos, Um, but you guys have such a respectful
approach and I think that that's commendable. I appreciate that. Well, thank
you. And you know, justto back up a little bit, you
know, we we actually met throughthe paranormal. So when when Ghost Biker
actually started a couple of years agoI started following her and then I emailed

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her just to say congratulations on herseason. And because of that, we
really formed this, this friendship throughthe paranormal and it's because of that style,
Because of that non provocation style,you know, we feel that you
can go in and get evidence withouthaving to be forceful, without having to
provoke, without having to, youknow, hate your chats with Bravado.

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That's really not what we do.And that's what I really appreciate about Miranda
as well. So thank you forthat comment, because we do have that
style and something that's very important tous. Yeah. And I like to
look at you know, when whenI go to visit somebody, I always
take wine or take something you know, to give to that person, you
know, as welcoming into their home. I look at it the same way.

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Whenever I'm going to some of thesedifferent locations. I really consider it
an honor whenever we're able to getsome of this communication. So the a
trigger item or a gift, Ilike to look at it that way,
is that you know, I'm bringinga gift to them that they might enjoy.
They can either keep or they mayenjoy it for the time being.

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So that's you know how how Itypically look at it, and you know,
just to play off of what Christiewas saying. UM. You know,
that was the thing that really drewme to investigate and get to know
Christy better and her team was theirrespectful approach. Some locations may call for
a like I said, we don'tprovoke, but you know, it may

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call for a different tone, amore aggressive telling if you're in a prison,
to see if that might trigger someactivity. But as far as provocation,
and that's something that we just don'tdo and we've had good luck for
not doing it. Yeah, youhave a comment here. Miranda and Chrissie
are two the best in the fieldof paranormal and they're both extremely influential to
our crew and many others as well. That's son, Thank you, Pey.

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We appreciate that. UM. Tome, I M, it's sort
of like I have an anthropology background, so I always kind of look at
it as like studying studying the ghostsas though they're a separate culture, you
know, like like it's an anthropologicalstudy in some ways. UM. Back
when I first started doing the ghosttours here in Keyport, there's UM the

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bodies of two of the victims thatwe talk about are buried not too far
from here, So I made apoint of visiting their graves and leaving flowers
and just you know, telling them, I'm trying to keep your memory alive.
I'm trying to be respectful because Ireally think that that's important. And
you're actually right, you know,and you know, I'll speak for Mirando
as well a little bit on thisone is because you know, to Miranda's

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point, we do feel like we'rebeing welcomed into this environment. But for
us, we also feel like,you know, we're trying to communicate with
with somebody that had a human experienceat one point, right, you know,
for us, you know, forsoul sisters, we are trying to
communicate with those people that that hadthat experience that they lived, they died,
and now for some reason, they'restill able to communicate with us.
And the very essence of the humanexistence is to be acknowledged and to be

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you know, received, And sofor us, that's the way that we
go into an investigation. You know, we're acknowledging you, we're introducing ourselves
to you, and we're acknowledging you. For who you are and who you
were. And so to your point, you know, when we go to
locations like the Veliska Acts murder house, the first thing that we did before
we even started the investigation is wewent out to the cemetery and we paid

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our respects to the more family andsaid, will be in your house tonight.
You know, if you're willing tocommunicate with us, we love that
communication. So to your point,we absolutely respect that, and that's another
reason why we're so fond of investigatingwith Miranda. It really is evident when
you watch the videos, it reallyis well, thank you. Just real

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quick, I want to point outBill's comment here. A friend of Money
who used to live in a hauntedhouse used to leave a radio tune to
an R and B station on twentyfour to seven in his basement. The
ghosts were thankful. And again,that's a great idea because it's acknowledgement of
you know, hey, we're goingto share the space with you. If
you don't harm us or threaten usin any way, you're welcome to stay.
But because of that, here's somethingthat we acknowledge your presence with.

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So I think that's a really coolidea. Yeah, a lot of the
time, as far as residential casesand such that I've dealt with, that's
been the thing that has either helpedto move along or to help kind of
calm that's going on in the situation. Just acknowledgement. Don't either move on
or you can cohabitate and live inharmony that way, if I mean,
it's just acknowledgement. That's what wewant when we're here on earth. Everyone

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wants to be acknowledged, and weheard. I think it's the same thing
when it comes to the spirit world. I agree, and I hope that
if I ever become a ghost thatpeople approach me that way too. I
like dogs can they think? Andyou know, another thing that that's kind
of interesting about what we do isis a little bit different in the paranormal

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community is um you know, soulSisters and is it all female team and
you know, obviously ghost bikers aswell. And I think women really approach
things with a sense of empathy.You know, I'm not going to say
I'm empathic, but you know,we we automatically have have that empathetic nature,
and so the way we approach ourinvestigations, you know, it mirrors
that that empathy, I think,and I think that's another reason why we've

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been very successful in getting compelling,unexplained evidence when we go to these locations.
Yeah. Agree, it's again itgoes back to for me, it
goes back to anthropology. You know, the main primatologists are all female.
So yeah, and it's you know, when it's for me, it's not
that that, um, it's betterone way or the other, because you

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know, when I was a memberof the team, I was the only
female on the team, and wewould when we would go into these different
locations. You know, we hadthese different roles in our daily jobs.
You know that we would do differentexperiments seeing if you know someone who's a
cop, who are a cop onthe team, if if the approach was
different, if I went into anarea, you know, we would have

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just myself going into the child's roomand talk and see if there was a
different type of response to that versusthe males went in or if it was
a mixed gender you know, teamor whatever at that point. So we
would often try different experiments and soit's not throwing off on one or the
other. It's just I mean it'skind of scientific back but you know,

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women are more empathetic on things,and so so it just brings a different
approach. Absolutely, I love it, and I think, well, actually,
I want to ask when you're sayingthat you have different people going into
the same situation, and did younotice significantly different evidence that you would collect
or different experiences in some locations.Yes. One in particular was that offered

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on Hall in Franklin, Kentucky,which is, you know, a home.
They were Southern sympathizers during the CivilWar, and on that particular investigation,
one of the team members had broughthis wife along, so I had
another female there with me, andwe had done several different experiments in the

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child's room, but upstairs on thesecond floor was a makeshift hospital, and
so they actually we had done someexperiments with just the guys, and they
sent just us girls in. Theysat out watched the monitor listening to audio,
and we went in and just sortof did a quiet, even pace
session, just sitting there asking questionsas they came to us. And I

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can't remember if it was myself orthe other lady that we decided we were
going to listen to some music,and so we played Amazing Grace and as
we were playing it, we gota female singing along with us, which
was really cool. And so thenafterwards we just said a little prayer,
kind of a comforting sort of thing, and we captured this male's voice that

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said amen and so. And therewere no men in the in the room.
So it was really cool to seethat because I mean it just sort
of came to us while we werein there, which was a different approach
than what the men had taken whilethey were in there. So that was
definitely one experience where we were ableto see the difference between the males in
the room and versus us females inthere. Yeah, this Robin Jones comment

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to everyone responds definitely to differently todifferent people that are alive. Yeah,
that's true. And I think sometimeswe forget when we're talking about powernormal activity
and we're talking about ghosts. Weforget that they were different people when they
were alive. They're not just allone type of entity at this point.

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And so that's why, you know, you get different experiences at a prison
then you would at a lighthouse,or you know, in a stand asylum
versus the Nax murder house. Soyou have to go in Again, that's
why we do a lot of researchbefore we go to these locations, so
we know that history and we canrelate to those really those experiences and that
that historical that historical story. Soyeah, it is not just dead or

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alive, but it's also closes andcircumstances. And I think too, that's
kind of why you may have adifferent experience. If if I go to
investigate a location and I don't getany activity, it doesn't mean it's not
haunted. It may just be anoff or not or and maybe whoever's in
there is either picking up on somethingfrom me, or they don't want to
communicate with me because maybe they don'tlike me, you know. And so

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going back at a different time,you may be talking to somebody else and
or they may have just it maybe like when you're having a bad day
with somebody, they just don't wantto communicate for whatever reason. So I
think that translates over into this spiritworld as well. Absolutely, I like
Nancy's comment here. I'm fascinated listeningto this tonight and learning so much more
than I never knew. Yay,thank you, thank you, Nancy.

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Now we're educating. This is excellentI do, and Jones says, boy,
did that give me goose bumps?We have several stories that that tend
tend to give a lot of peoplegoose bumps. We'll get into that after
we do the commercial. I havea few more, few more questions for
you, um, and we canget into like specifics, like really good
details after. UM. Have youever had an actual experience that frightened you?

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Um? For us personally, popletalking about actually, you know,
there's been time that we've been startled. I mean, you can't go into
an abandoned prison or a san asylumand hear a door slam or hear scream
from down in the corridor not bestartled. Um. But for us,
you know, everybody on Soul Sistershas a research background and an advanced degree.

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Um. So for example, I'vegot a HD, Jenny has a
PhD. We've got a couple oflawyers and a master's order on the team.
So for us, it's a researchexperiment really to go into these locations,
and so we run towards it ratherthan away from it. When we're
in the moment, it's such anadrenaline rush that it's actually more amazing than

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it is frightening. So I canhonestly say we've never run out of the
location before. Yeah, and youknow, I often will if I get
the opportunity. I'll often sleep inthe locations, just because I like to
put myself in that vulnerable state.I like to investigate as long as I
can. But if I can getmaybe two hours to kind of lay down,

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keep the recorders going and keep theyou know, the audio and the
video going, then and see whathappens if the response is different. Like
Doctor Sumner and Soul Sisters, I'vehad experiences where maybe I've been startled,
but I don't get too terrified.There's been a couple of cases that I've
done that have left me kind ofcreeped out and in the position where things

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have gotten really real, really quick, and you know, that kind of
puts you in a situation where whenyou lay down to go to bed at
night, you have to think,you know, I really experienced this,
and it can be a little creepyafter the fact, but so much in
the moment. Honestly, I'm moreafraid of the living than I am of
the dead. I just want toaddress the Janet's question here real quick.

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She watched a video, say wherea lady had a trigger word that her
deceased father was supposed to give heras proof of the afterlife and she never
got it. Have you ever hada positive response to trigger words? And
what is your theory as to whyshe didn't hear from her father? Well,
that's a deep question. I thinkI'll start it for me personally,

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I don't think that every person becomesa spirit or a gohoes once they die.
I do think that there are specificreasons why certain people can remain behind,
whether it be unfinished business or theyhave a message to give. And
so in that example, it maybe that her father had no one finished
business and you know he didn't wantto remain behind. Um, So that
that is that's a very interesting scenario. But that's the only answer that I

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can come up with. And asfar as a trigger word, the thing
that comes to mind that that actuallyinvolved both of us. We were at
Rushing Mountain State Penitentiary and we weredoing an experiment and it's called the est
this Method. And Miranda, asyou can see, I'm wearing her Ghostpiker
shirt, her ghost biker shirt.Her logo is Handleballers in a motorcycle.

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So one of the we're doing anexperiment is called the est this method,
and it happens where Miranda has headphoneson and it's connected to a spirit box,
which been early speaking as an aMFM radio that has been modified very
quickly sweep through frequencies, so whenyou turn it on, are you year.
So the theory is that spirits canuse the white noise to speak into

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that spirit box. So with Miranda'sheadphones on and a blind hold on,
she really goes into a deprivative state, if you will, so her senses
are totally focused on what she's hearingon that spirit box. And during this
session, we were down probably aboutthirty feet down the cellblock. We weren't
even in the same cell block.We all were out, okay, yeah,

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so we're about thirty feet away,and so she couldn't hear us,
she couldn't see us, and we'reasking questions and a motorcycle rode by,
and again she couldn't hear it.But one of us said, I think
that's a motorcycle, and Miranda saidmotorcycle. And so that was a very
interesting thing for us. And that'sthe only real example that I can come
up with with a trigger word.I guess in a reverse situation, but

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when you think and you know,it's important to note in that top situation
people. We also had cameras onmyself being in that censory deprived state,
as well as on Christie asking thequestions, so you can actually also hear
in real time what we're hearing andwhere I was. You couldn't hear that
on the recorder of the motorcycle goby, um, so you know,

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you know. My answer to thaton Janet's question is I also feel like
it's about timing, and I thinkthat that could be something that's that's worst.
I think a lot of things happenin a more subtle way. I
mean, it's great to sit thereand say, okay, we've got this
word that when you pass you know, will we'll say it or whatever.

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But sometimes I think messages come ina more subtle way than just that.
So and again, it could bethe timing. I don't know how long
this person had passed since, andof course it also depends on your belief
structure. But I think sometimes peoplethey come to us, they may not
have unfinished business, but they mayhave a message. When we need it

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at another time when we may getthings that we know are a message and
it's just in a more subtle way. My advice on that would be to
to really one be patient and tooreally just kind of looking deeper, because
sometimes things happen that we don't realizein the moment, but looking back,
you know, I think a triggerward is a little too obvious. We

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are going to take a really quickbreak and then I want to address Steve's
question here when we get back,and then maybe talk a little bit about
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Okay, um, So we dohave a question here from Steve Phillips.
He says, just tuning in.Have you have you ever had an investigation
make you emotional? For me personally, not so much in the moment emotional.
A lot of the evidence that wecapture, we actually capture, we
actually notice when we go back anddo evidence review, so on our voice

(33:29):
recorders or on our static cameras thatwe leave in the location during the investigation,
and the one that comes to mindis, um, We're at hales
Bar Dam, which is in Tennessee, and Michelle had there's a series of
tunnels that run under this dam,and so Michelle and Kara were actually conducting
what we call an EB session,where basically they were just asking questions.

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And when we went back and reviewthat audio, when Michelle had asked the
question why are you still here?Why haven't you moved on, we captured
a child's voice saying I can't stuck. And when I heard it to me,
it was just it was heartbreaking.And so that made me emotional at
that moment. But in the momentof an investigation, nothing has been that
profound that has made me emotional.I've had on a couple of different occasions,

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and I kind of look at itthis way, you know, being
a solo investigator or being you know, with just one other person, you
know, you don't really have otherpeople that can really spread that emotion around
because we do sometimes get in thesethese highly emotional and empathetic type situations,

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so you don't really have the otherperson to deflect. And just as we're
triggering these spirits, they can alsocome back and trigger us. And so
without having you know the other people, I've had that happened on a couple
occasions. One that comes to mindwas Willow's Weep in Cayuga, Indiana,
a very oppressed house with a lotof different stories about I think some of

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them are a little embellished, butI do think that there are a lot
of tragic stories and the majority ofthem it does deal with death and suicide
and a lot of real negative emotion. And I know a lot of people
it's known as the most evil housein America. I don't I don't personally,
I don't agree with that or thinkthat's the case. And I also

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went in with different intentions. Ididn't go in with the intentions of all
the different stories that I heard.I went in thinking that some of them
may be embellished, but that Iwanted to learn from myself, and so
I researched the history. But asfar as the actual hauntings and hotspot,
I kind of stayed away from thatso that I was of influence. But

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I can definitely say that while Iwas in there with another female investigator,
we did have a very emotional experience, which kind of led me to the
conclusion that a lot of the thingsthat you're experiencing in there is kind of
the demons you bring in or theemotions that you bring in and so.
And also the house was just notin a great state, which would be

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depressing to anybody anyways, and soso at that particular location. And then
also I was investigating. I dida two night investigation last year down in
kazi Esco, Mississippi, the OlderTaylo Jail. And what's interesting about this,
the first night was the funeral homeand the second night was the Older

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Taylo Jail. And I actually didthese two completely solo. And it was
only a couple months after my dadhad passed, and so I kind of
made the mistake while I was inthe jail of talking about I was talking
to I knew the owners, andI was telling them about Dad passing and
some of the different experiences that Ihad experienced. And I really feel like,

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you know, you're in a location, not a negative location, but
you know how a jail is.These these folks are not good people.
And if you're negative in life,you may be negative as a spirit and
so I feel like before and Iactually was telling me stories about my father
inside the jail, and so Ifeel like the spirits were fully aware of

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what I was doing, and once, you know, once they left,
they saw that as my achilles heeland kind of used that to trigger me
and really made me emotional with SoI feel like they were kind of throwing
that back. So those two particularinvestigations are too that I've become emotional at

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while I've been investigating, or felta really strong emotion. That's a really
question. Thank you for answering thatso beautifully, both of you. Thanks,
thank you for the questions. See, yes, thank you. I
don't know if you saw this popup, but Peppie Purple Eye says,
I remember watching that episode and Iwas getting emotional and feeling odd. Yeah,

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we did not, actually because theother investigator that was with me,
you know, it was a wewere there I think from about eight o'clock
at night till around moon the verynext day, and we did sleep there.
We didn't really share a lot ofthe emotion while that we experienced because
a lot of it was just reallyjust you know, a lot of things
happen when you're not doing active investigating. So we were sitting in the living

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room just having a personal conversation andrecording that, and we both found that
we were digging up some deep emotionalthings that you know, we're good,
close friends, you know, butit's things that you might not just be
sitting and normally talking about, youknow. And so I think that a
lot of that was being pulled fromthe location. So I didn't really show

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that emotional side, because you know, it's sometimes kind of hard to show
those personal experiences when you're putting themon video. But we definitely did.
And it's interesting. I've had Peppyand then several other folks tell me the
same thing that they were they're experiencingphysical pain in different areas or they were
also experiencing emotional pain during that episode. Interesting. M yeah, that's that's.

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I get that sometimes when I onmy ghost tours where I just feel
like an overwhelming, like just bizarreemotion that look, it's not my emotion,
and you know that. And thatwas when when I was at the
jail, because that was and that'ssomething I'm not really shared a whole whole
lot about, but um, youknow, because it did affect me in

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the moment. I think you haveto realize that, you realize it's not
your emotion. You realize you reallyhave to be aware of everything that's going
on. And I'm always saying oneof the best things that an investigator can
do is not investigate while they're highlyemotional or if they're stressed or upset or
anything. Go in, you know, as grounded and it's as clean minded

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as you can because that and beyou know, it can be triggered and
can be used back on you.And so I think it's important to realize
that because it can really it canreally kind of mess with your head a
little bit. Yeah, before weget into one of my questions, I
just want to draw everybody's attention tothat banner that's scrolling along the bottom.
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both have Facebook pages, so youcan check them out there, like them,
follow them, share them, getthe word out because they're awesome.
Thank you. So, what hasbeen your favorite place to investigate? I'll
answer that historically. On a historicalbasis, I would say Fort Mifflin.

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Like I said before that that Fordis just amazing with the historical background behind
it was a revolutionary war Ford.It was commissioned in seventeen seventy one,
so that was just an amazing experiencefor the historical perspective as well as the
paranormal perspective. As far as evidence, I would really say that Rushing Mountain
State Penitentiary has been a great investigationlocation for us. We've actually been there

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twice, once as a collaboration withGhost Biker, and then also the Grand
Old Lady Hotel in Sylva, NorthCarolina. We've gotten some of our best
evidence there. Again we were collaboratingwith Miranda. But what was so cool
is this was a three story hotel. It was built in nineteen oh five.
It has about a hundred rooms,and we had the entire hotel to
ourselves for the weekend, so wewere the only people on the property.

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So it was myself and Jenny fromSoul Sisters and then Miranda and we were
experiencing such amazing things that weekend.Miranda used the first night for her investigation
and then Soul Sisters used the secondnight for our investigation. And during our
investigation, we were we had wehad a table turnover, we were in
the kitchen and we asked for asign that somebody was here, and the

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coffee line, which is kind ofinteresting, and then one of the most
compelling pieces of evidence, we actuallyall decided, the three of us to
sleep in a suite that was nextdoor or that was adjacent to the most
haunted hotel or the haunted hallway inthe hotel. And the way the suite
is situated, there's one room,one bed in the outer room, and

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then a couple of beds in thesecond room, and so but there's only
one door that is that you canaccess the room by. So we had
closed the door, and we hada night vision video camera on the outside
of the door, in a nightvision video camera on the inside of the
door, so you can hear uson the boys recorder and on the cameras
we say, are good nights.And about fifteen minutes later, we very
clearly capture a mail on the outsideof the door saying please don't go.

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And Miranda said, did y'all hearthat? And I said yes, And
she said, what do you thinkthat sounded like? And I said,
there's a man outside our door.And she's like, that's what I thought,
and it was probably one of theclearest dvps that we've captured. So
i'd said, the Grand Old Ladyand Rushy are high on the top of
my room. Yeah, and Ihave so many I don't think we have

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enough hours for me to talk about. But yeah, I didn't have to
do it again exactly, you know, because they're also different and um,
you know, whether it be forthe historical or just the amount of activity,
I definitely agree with Christie on theGrand Old Lady. That one is
quickly one of my favorite locations becauseit was just good, solid activity and

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um, you know. So therewas that one, the old Gilchrest County
Jail that I did as a collaborationwith Christie. It was just her and
myself on that one. Uh.That was that was one where we were
getting hits on different tools. Weyou know, we pulled out all our
tools that we had on this oneand they were corroborating the activity. You

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know, if we would get activityon the SLS camera, we were getting
activity on the ebieboxes, and ifwe were getting somebody turning a flash line
on, we were getting activity onyou know, the the SLS or whichever
tool we were using. They wereall working together to sort of corroborate what
was happening on the other tool BrushyMountain Definitely, that's one. I've investigated

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that one on six different occasions,and I've slept in that one, and
that's one where I probably got someof the best EVP evidence that I've ever
captured as far as I slept downin the hole in the solitary confinement area,
and I slept for Yeah, sliptfor three and a half hours down
there, and got about three minutesand thirty seconds or three minutes and fifteen

(44:30):
seconds of Class A EVPs. Alot of intelligent activity for everything. You
everything for you know, honestly,I was more afraid of the rattlesnakes that
they get in there sometimes then,and that's what I was afraid. I
was going to have a snake inmy boot. But now, if I
had heard what was going on inreal time, my opinion might have changed

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a little bit. But yeah,I got some great footsteps. Something TOLDY
night night, and so I believethose were intelligent. But then we also
got what I thought was residual thelaundry area. It's upstairs and now there's
no power in this building, andso it got what sounded like the dryer

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door opening and running, and thenconversations going on because these areas in solitary
confinement. I mean they call itthe whole You're literally down in the hall
and it's pitch black, and soyou get the conversation. I also got
what sounded like five minutes of aball being thrown against the wall and bouncing
back and forth. So there's definitelythat one. And I would have to

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say kind of a more pure locationthat I did that's one of my favorites
was the nineteen forty four troop trainaccident, and that it's not a known
location, which is a place Ilike to cover the ones that aren't very
well known, but it was whereone of the worst troop train accidents occurred,

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and it was a daytime investigation.Wanted to be able to show that
not everything has to happen of anight, and you know, we use
some different tools, and then alsobringing awareness and doing a tribute to the
military men who had passed away inthis location. It's only marked by a
little eight by eight sign, soI wanted to do what I could to
get the word out on this reallybig historical event and see if there was

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any paranormal activities. So that's probablyone of my newer favorites. Wow to
b J. Summerlin's comment here,all this is so fascinating, it really
is. Well, thank you.I appreciate everybody watching. And just to
Marina's point, for those that reallydon't know that are watching, there are

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two types of what we call theparannal evidence. The first one is what
we call residual and the second iswhat we call intelligence. And to Marina's
point, we capture a variation ofthat in all of these locations that we
go to. So when she saidintelligent, what quickly come to came to
my mind also was the Lizzie Bordenhouse. We were collaborating with Miranda at the
Lizzie Borden House. And this isa fascinating house and you know, you

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see you see it on the HistoryChannel or the Travel Channel or whatever.
But to be able to actually goin and have that that that really tactile
experience with this history of this housewas just an amazing experience. And so
we had set up our admit.We got there early in the afternoon and
we were all setting up our equipment, and so there were four soul spicers
investigators in Miranda, and so wehad set up some voice recorders in the

(47:28):
parlor room where Andrew Borden was killed. And after we had set that one
up, we were continuing on settingup things in the rest of the house
and Jenny Michelle we're just kind ofsitting there talking. And when we went
back and reviewed the evidence or thevoice reporter from that room as they were
talking, we captured a male's boysaying I'm right here standing next to you,

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and nither one of them heard thatin the moment, I guess it
was actually very intriguing. Um.And then later on during the night,
Jenny and Kara we're sitting there talkingand we had investigated at the Balliska Axe
murder House, so they were talkingabout the differences of the Balliska Xe murder
House in the Lizzie bourdon X murderHouse, and car just happened to say,

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you know, you know, they'redifferent houses, but what a horrible
way to go. It would havebeen a horrible way to die like that.
And we captured a male's voice sayingit was. And again that was
extremely telling. So for us thatthat's an example of intelligent responses. They're
listening to our conversation and they're they'regiving us an intelligent response, and they
were something that it's also important isthey worked straight eving peas out of the

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air. This was not aided byany type of ITTC or any type of
spirit box or anything. This wasjust straight a EVPs. One of our
best pieces of equipment is that arethose voice recorders, because you know,
we leave them up, as Isaid before, as stationary equipment in different
parts of the location that we're investigating, and then we go back and we

(48:57):
listened to all of that audio.So if we've got ten boys reporters running
for ten hours, we're listening toone hundred hours of audio and we pick
up things that we don't hear inthe moment, which you know, to
Miranda's point, those uneided EVPs aresome of the best, most compelling,
unexplainable pieces of evidence that we canget. Yeah, and we account.
I can speak for Soul Sisters onthis because I know that's one of the

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things they always do on my videos. On my last season, I started
putting in there everything documenting the temperatureat the time the moon phase, who
was on the property, you know, because sometimes if we're doing commercial locations,
sometimes we're lucky in there there's nobodyelse there. At other times there
may be you know, a docenter to or a guide or something that
stays in a designated location. Butwe always try to account for all outflide

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factors and we'll make notes. Ifit's somewhere that's got outside contamination, we
always try to account for that andif we have When she says that we're
watching video and audio, we willhave If we have a stat camera,
we always have an audio requarter there, so we'll know if anybody either from

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the team that we're collaborating, orif fem or it's just myself, or
if anybody's wandered in, or ifthere's a chance of anything else, or
if it's could actually be unexplained activity. Natalie here says, this is why
I don't do EVPs in my residence. I don't want to know who might
be watching me sleep. That's true. UM, I love how like scientific

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it all is. You know,you're reviewing all the data, you're collecting
all of this information. It's justit's it's amazing. Um, I'm sorry,
we feel that is what is extremelyimportant, you know, um,
and I knew I'm going to speakto Mariana for this as well. We
go in first and foremost trying tofind those environmental factors that could explain the
activity that's going on, whether itbe a commercial location or residential that we're

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doing. Um. So we're veryconfidents of the fact that that other environmental
factors could be influencing all of thisand absent that when we when we can
control for everything that we control forthat we can control for light pollution,
noise pollution, crowd pollution, anyof that stuff, what we're left with
is what we call the unexplainable evidence. And you know, we're very conscious
of that fact that you know,we want to put out there because our

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names are associated with this. Wewant to put out there things that we
feel that we cannot explain when wecontrol for everything else. Now, if
somebody wants to come to us andsay, well, I think it's this,
then we want to have that dialoguebecause we want to find if there
is a logical explanation for it.We want to find it and put it
out there. But you know,what will we put out there in our
videos are those things that in themoment we absolutely cannot explain. M Jillian's

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question here is how do I doEVPs in my house with a voice memo
on my iPhone? Work? Yes? That would work. I mean I
have multiple recorders, some high dollarones, most of what I the high
dollar ones I use when I'm recordingmy story, and you know, with
the different microphones. But then justsimple I think I have eight or nine

(52:01):
voice recorders that always keep one onme and then to keep some out just
a simple sony dictation recorder, onethat you know, I mean, you
can even get some that you can'tpull the audio off for like fifteen dollars,
you know. So yeah, they'rea simple recorder or phone at work.
So if somebody is well, realquick before I ask this question,

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just back to the Lizzie Boarden house. Do you think Lizzie did it?
I do, I do, butI don't think it's for the reasons that
a lot of people assume. Ido think that there was some family issues,
not so great things that was happeningto her and her sister which led
her to do that. But youknow, I do think that she stayed
in Fall Rivers and took it likea champ. You know, she never

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left the area. She lived thereuntil she died in number in nineteen twenty
seven. So kudos to her forfor stan Cum. Mean, she she
had all the money, so shecould have left, but she stood there
and then she she took it forall the years to love. Yeah.
Yeah, I think she probably did. And I agree. I think that
there were different circumstances. But Ialso think that she had some help.

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I think she did too. That'sa lot of work, which, yeah,
that was a lot of work.Real quick, we only have a
few minutes left, and I can'tbelieve that it's gone this fast. I
say that every show, but thisone really went fast. Do you have
any recommendations for somebody who wants todo some parer normal investigation they're not sure
where to start, just real quick, like, any basic things that they

(53:31):
can do, any little, littleeasy things. For me personally, I
would say, get a voice recorderagain, just a thirty dollars simple thing
off Amazon. Go to a locationa cemetery of a place in your back
you know, your your community oryour backyard that is reported to have activity,
and just ask questions. Going withthe right intentions. Don't go in

(53:53):
just trying to get a jump scareor anything like that. Going with the
right intentions of actually trying to communicate. And then once you had that session
and you're asking those questions, goback and listen to the voice reporter.
Listen to everything. Um, don'tjust pick and choose the minutes that you
want to listen to. Listen toeverything. Um, I think you know
I can ecto Marinda when I saythat, you know a lot of people

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here, but not a lot ofpeople listen. And for us it requires
patience and listen to everything. That'smy advice. Yeah, and be realistic,
um, you know with it becauseI mean TV and has really hollywooded
all this up and they've condensed youknow what. We spend a full not
doing you know, into thirty minutesor an hour. So so be patient

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and and and don't get discouraged.Um, if you don't get activity,
one it doesn't mean it's not haunted. And one it doesn't mean you know
that you're not doing something right.But definitely don't worry about going in investing
in you know, all the bellsand whistles equipment. If a if a
ghost wants to communicate, it cancommunicate through the simplest ways, you know.
So but see if you like it, go out, find a place

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and like Christie said, just askquestions and think outside the box, because
you know there's no I mean,one of the tools that I always take
with me is a whiteboard, youknow, and I'll write the questions on
the whiteboard without even asking them,you know, to see if they can
see us or see if they cancommunicate that way. So just think outside

(55:19):
the box. There's no stupid experimentsexactly exactly, and uh, puppies comment
here and always state you are you'renot there to hurt or harm them,
only to get their story. That'simportant, absolutely, and it's reciprocal.
You know that they that they can'tharm you, that that they need that
they need to respect the boundary.So absolutely, mud be a great idea.
So we only have a couple minutesleft. Any suggestions, like to

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protect yourself when your ghosts when you'redoing these investigations. And we always say
a prayer protection when we go inand a prayer protection when we come out,
and we always state our intentions whenwe go in. Um and that
like I said, those boundaries andexpectations, i e. You know,
you're not allowed to harm us,you're not allowed to touch us or come
home with us. You can touchus if we say that you can,
but otherwise Yeah, and I'm thesame way. I always do a per

(56:07):
protection before an actor and honestly duringyou know, because we never know what's
happening. But yeah, definitely stateyour intentions. And I would say always
always go in stress free, clearmind and of the calm presence and you'll
you'll be okay. Perfect way towrap up the show. Everybody, please

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check out Soul Sisters Paranormal and GhostSpiker Explorations. Check out their websites,
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Any last words, ladies, Now, we just appreciate everybody's support. Thank
you for having us tonight. Thankyou for all the people who have commented
and watched. We really do appreciatethe support. Yes, thank you everyone.

(56:52):
You guys are great. And youcan catch up on past seasons of
Ghost Spiker. You know we're rollinginto the fourth season, so you can
watch all the past three seasons andlabs on facebookin YouTube and same with the
Soul Sisters paranormalhen you can catch upon elders what they have on those platforms.
Excellent. Well, thank you ladiesso much for being here tonight.

(57:13):
I so appreciate it and I hadso much fun. Thank you. We're
really hang out right there. I'mgonna pop you out for a minute and
I'll meet up with you soon.Thank you. Well, my creepy darlings.
That's about all we have for thisevening. Thank you so much for
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