June 16, 2023 • 32 mins
We've only got a few weeks left before the premiere of the final season of Cryptid Cape, so creator and producer Vicky sat down with our script editor and story consultant Jen to talk about the series so far, where we're headed, and give you the inside scoop on how this little show has come to be over these last four years.
Created and Produced by Victoria Pereira
Theme Song: "Pink Night in Ohio" by Ryan Andersen
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Created and Produced by Victoria Pereira
Theme Song: "Pink Night in Ohio" by Ryan Andersen
Help support the show! We want to make future seasons of Cryptid Cape higher quality and better to listen to than ever, and we can’t do that without your support. Check out our fundraiser page at www.ko-fi.com/cryptidcape to donate. Free sticker for every donation of two “coffees” or more!
Follow us on social media to stay up-to-date on all things Cryptid Cape. We are @cryptidcape on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube. You can also email us at cryptidcape@gmail.com or find us on www.cryptidcape.net.
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Hi, listeners, Victoria here,Welcome back to another bonus episode of Crypted
Cape. We are here today todo a little bit of a series review,
a little series wrap up, notwrap up. We still have another
season, but we are very quicklyapproaching season five, and we thought it
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would be pretty cool to talk aboutthe show is a whole talk about some
of the behind the scenes stuff.And when I say we, I mean
my lovely partner in crime, Jen, who has been hanging out behind the
scenes and helping me make this forthe last five years. And it's an
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era. It's your Crypted Cape era. Oh my god, this is my
era's tour. No, just kidding, I only have one era. It's
just it's just the podcast. Um, but would you like to introduce yourself?
Yeah? Hello, I am Jenand been helping Vicky planned this story
over How many years has it been. It's been like five years. I
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mean it's been being produced for fiveyears. Yeah, but honestly kind of
six because it took a while tostart it. It does, it does.
It feels it feels like you've orwe've been with this story for a
long time, but it also doesn'tfeel like five years worth of time or
six years worth of time. It'sit's like a weird thing, right because
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like we have these like and we'llget into this, I guess with the
process kind of stuff. But likewe do. We've I started this back
right after we graduated and um,and you know it was just kind of
an idea. Then you're very involvedin the like the pre production like writing
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and planning and stuff like that.Yeah, and then I go when I
record it, And for me,that's like two different sides of my brain,
right, It's like it's the there'sthe writing side, there's the recording
like directing side, and then there'sthe editing side, and like those are
very three, very different parts ofthe process. But all of that happens
at like different times of the yeartwo So it feels like, yeah,
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like it's been five or six years, but also like half of each of
those years kind of. And therewas a point where we got where,
like you especially got to a pointof like I need to know I didn't
have an end game yeah before Ikeep going yeah, and that's when I
was like, ten, I needhelp. But yeah, so we have
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we wanted to do this little seriesreview because it's yeah, it's getting towards
the end. Yeah, and it'sthe first time I've ever actually finished a
project. I say actually finished.It's not done yet, it will be
done. I shouldn't give myself thatthat award before it's finished. You've outlined
it, but it has to happen. You can have eighty percent of the
award. Now, Yeah, doyou want to start where you got the
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idea? I guess yeah, yeah, Where did you get get this idea?
I okay, okay, we're gonnago all the way back to high
school? Oh my goodness, yes, um, because it's not that like
I got the idea from there,but it is important where my like interest
in this kind of stuff came from. So um as far as Kryptos go,
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I have always like thought that,like weird stuff like that is fun.
My father has always loved watching umlike big Foot shows and like Finding
the YETI and the Locknest Monster.He wanted to take us up to Lake
Champlain to see Champlain. I thinkit is in New York, like upstate
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New York. There's a lake wherethey're like, oh yeah, we have
a monster like the Locknest Monster,but we call him Champ because it's Lake
champagne or whatever, and my momwas like, that is an insane trip.
What else are we going to dobesides try to find the locknest monster
in the lake? And he's like, I don't know, it might be
nice. We didn't go, butyou know, all that kind of stuff
is always always fun to Meum.But in high school, like towards the
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end of high school, my bestfriend Caroline had recommended me this show,
this podcast, and I was like, I've never even heard of what a
podcast is. And there was alittle show though, Welcome to night Vale.
If y'all don't know what Welcome tonight Ville is, it is a
gem of a creation. It's justthis weird little show where the premise is
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like there's a guy that his nameis Cecil, that is the radio likes
news host of this town called nightVale, where everything weird is perfectly normal,
and like there's a cat named Cautionicthat lives in the bathroom where he
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works and floats five feet above theground and has like multiple eyes and heads
and things like that, and that'stotally normal. And like the sun is
loud in screams when it rises,and that's normal, and like all of
this weird stuff and it's just avery like weird surrealist kind of like comedic
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sweet little thing and I love itso so much. And I started listening
to it in high school and thatstarted my like love of podcast in general,
but also specifically like fictional podcasts,because like that was my introduction to
podcasts at all. Right, SoI was like, oh, people do
this like with nonfiction things too,why And then I started listening to smother
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ones in college. I found afew like Tannis and the Black Tapes and
Rabbits that are all really good,and I was like, I want to
make one of these. And Ireally wanted to make one after I made
a couple of movies in college andwas like, wow, that was expensive.
You know, it's less expensive asingle micro fun I had a lot
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of iterations of like what a fictionalpodcast could be before Crypti Cape, but
the first one that looked at alllike what it ended up being was and
I think I might have shown youthis maybe I had like a small write
up of something. It was awoman that worked at a truck stop diner
in the middle of nowhere, yes, and I do vaguely remember, yeah,
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yeah, And in the like,and her clientele was totally normal during
the day, and then at nightthe cryptids that lived in the area would
come because they knew it was achill place to hang the things that go
bump into night cafe. Yeah,exactly, exactly, And that was the
first thing that looked like cryptid cape. And I liked that idea, but
I thought that the that being havingit be tied to the diner was a
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little limiting. And also, Ilike, I was very hung up on
this idea, which I guess thisis something that also changed throughout the production
of the podcast. I was hungup on this idea of like, there
needs to be a reason that she'srecording and besides like keeping yourself awake during
the night shifts at a diner,I don't know what other reason she was
recording for. Yeah, And Iwas like, well, what if what
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if she was like a news shewas some sort of journalist. And I
was like, well, then thatdoesn't really work if she's at a diner.
What if she is the journalist fora really small town. And then
and then it then it kept going, Yeah, do you think you'll revisit
the diner, because like, nowI want to hear more about the Diner.
Yeah, I don't know, becauseit's the stories are very similar.
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Yeah, right, I suppose Icould it just it is like a very
limiting thing because like I had likea I don't know, krypto kipe turned
into this like very slice of lifekind of thing. It did. I
don't think I ever really intended itto be that. I wanted it to
be a little bit spookier, alittle bit weirder and stuff, but like
that's just not like where it endedup going. Yeah, it's not where
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my writing really ended up going.The diner one would have been more like
that's also part of the problem andthe other things that I've learned through podcasting,
but like it would have been alittle bit more action kind of based.
Like the first episode. I thinkthe plan was that like it was
a normal night at the diner whenthe cryptids came, and then one of
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the cryptids had been like attacked orsomething, and she had to like run
out into the woods and help themor whatever, and it's like that's a
lot of fully effort. But Idon't know, it could be a short
story or something, yeah, becauseI feel like that kind of conflict maybe
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we had more plans for and thenseason one happened and you're like, this
is so many sound effects to findor make. Did you make any of
them? Oh? Yeah, Imade a lot of them. Oh my
god, Oh Jesus Christ. Okay, so all of my sound effects either
come from the wonderful free YouTube library. If anyone's ever producing anything, go
to the YouTube library for sound andmusic and it's it's iconic. Yeah.
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I made a lot of sounds thatperson that like saw, like the high
heels or the funky shoes on andwalking on various surfaces. Oh yeah,
I used to do that in college. Yeah. I did that for my
movie. I did that for acouple other films. Yeah, I see
those videos to room myself around thefully room. We had a fully studio
in college. I wasn't able touse it for the podcast because I had
already graduated, but I used itfor for some films. That's cool,
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that's yeah. But yeah, someof the smaller sounds I'll make myself.
M season three, we were balling, and I am by balling. I
mean, we had a Kickstarter campaignand I was like, this is too
complicated, We're not doing that again. But we were able to pay my
friend Isaac to make some sound effectsbecause he does he does music producing and
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podcast producing, um and uh andfully in sound effects and stuff. So
he made me some fully which isvery cool. Cool. But yeah,
the season one, that was anotherqu that was on like our little list
of like what are things that changed? Yeah, one of the big ones.
And I don't know if you've noticed, Jen, but a lot of
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the conflict is now not fight fightit is argue. Yeah, well that
like it suits this medium because it'snot visual and it's not like you're not
even like looking at like words ona page in a book where you can
see like where the pacing change ortheir paragraph breaks. This is it's all
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things you hear, so it makessense that it switched. But that was
something I think both of us hadto like see play out and be like,
oh, yeah, this is doyou want to do that again.
The specific thing we're referencing is obviouslythat if you haven't if you've been here
since the beginning and haven't listened back, which I wouldn't blame me. I
haven't either. Um, I don'teither. Usually I can't. I haven't
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listened to a single episode after Ifinish it. That's just a mean thing.
I don't watch anything that I've madeonce it's done. Once the final
like, I will watch the finalcut to make sure that, like everything
looks good and stuff like that.I listened through to every final cut,
um, to make sure nothing weirdhappened that I didn't notice in editing.
And then I upload it and Inever touch it again. I never listened
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to it, I never look atit. I never ever ever like,
I can't I can't do it.It's done. Yeah, Unfortunately we lost
a little bit of audio here,um, So should we just move on
to the other thing that we weretalking about is a story that we planned
this over skype calls that often changed. They're often a few hours long.
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Oh yeah, very true. Yeah, Okay, well, I guess we
were kind of still talking about alllearning because I was saying that the first
season was kind of like a Ijust made a thing, made a thing
and was like, hey, canyou guys, like like I had asked
you and our other friend to umlike line edit basically for me was like
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hey, there's I think I onlyhad like three episodes or something. You
had like, yeah, it wasn'ta full season. Yet Oh it was
nowhere near a full season because Ididn't even have a full season when I
started releasing them spoiler, which ifseason one feels a little disappointed, maybe
that's fine. Growing pains. Yeah, but I had only written the first
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five episodes before the first episode cameout. Um, and I think I
had. I guess I had givenall five to you guys, and you
had given me notes on them whenyou could. But again, it was
like a line note kind of thingbecause we were going from having normally like
proofred each other's like short story stufftoo. Then later obviously you came,
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You became more involved our friend KitActually it was involved in their own way
in the podcast because they made mychannel art channel art that's a YouTube channel
art. They made the speaker,they made the sticker, they made the
podcast cover art, and you kindof like fell into this rule of like
helping me out a little bit morewith the story itself. Yeah. Yeah,
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it must have been after season twowhere I was like, I have
no fucking clue what I'm doing withthis. It's like, now you set
up all these rules, all thesepromises, and it's like where are they
going? Yeah, and we hadto figure that out exactly. And I
had had so many characters that Iwas playing with two and it was just
such a different like and you hadplans for characters still the Calm that hadn't
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like shown up yet, but theyknew who were going to be there,
or ones that had just shown upin season two and we're going to stay.
I mean, there are there area few characters in season five that
I have had plans for for likeover three years now, yeah, which
is kind of crazy. And obviously, like the big one of the season
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whose name I'm not going to tellyou. Oh wait, just kidding.
They listened to the last episode ofseason four, the High Council, you
guys know the f that is.That's fine, but like obviously the High
Council has been like in play fora long time and they will become a
character finally in this season. Butthere are a couple other characters that I've
had in mind that like have notentered the actual I mean that happened with
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Caleb too. I had Caleb andMine for a few years. You've had
Francy's backstory in mine for a longtime, yes, since like early days,
Like I don't know, because II love all the characters, but
I latched onto Francy specifically, Ithink because of the Jersey Devil myth and
because of just the way that Aubreyplays. Francy is so fun. And
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had this idea of a backstory andI was like, oh, I want
to include a character in future seasonsfrom that backstory. And then finally I
was able to bring well, Iguess Caleb came in in season three.
Yeah, so yeah, it didn'ttake too long, but it was a
couple of years. Yeah, Calebwas mentioned earlier and then yeah, I
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think I mentioned him the first timein the live episode that we did.
Hold in the live episode. Yeah, extra cannon. Yeah, we have
a little bit of extra cannon.We had a live episode. If you
guys weren't around for that, wehad a live episode and in between season
two and three. Um as likea fun thing to do for people who
were donating to that Kickstarter campaign thatwe had, and it was fun,
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it was stressful. I won't doit again. Um it was like an
online live episode two Oh yeah,because that would have been high COVID days,
I think so. Yeah. Um, A lot of this was produced
during high covid. Yeah, gotthis whole I just it. You did
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a good thing. You made thiswhole thing I did. I did the
thing that needed to be done.I just needed something to do because I
like, we graduated college and likeI had gotten a job that was dogshit,
and then I had left that job, and then I was working like
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weirdly part time, which like atthat time, because me and Becca were
living together in a house that wasshockingly affordable. Shout out to Becca,
She's sitting on the couch right now, house cheers with Kingdom. That's great.
Oh so jealous. We were livingin a house that was cheap and
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in Tucson, which is also cheap, and I was able to do a
part time gig for a little whileand like work on the podcast and stuff
too. I well, I mean, I guess I decided to start working
on the podcast then because I neededsomething creative because that old job had just
sapped all of the desire to makethings out of my bout and I was
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like, I need to get backto that or else I'm never going to
make anything ever again. It waslike, how are you going to write
it? Who are you going tocast? Do you have funds to pay
actors right away? What who's goingto host your podcast? Like all these
things. It's like there's so muchthat goes in to this, like and
then you're like, oh and thenthe editing, which you always seem to
like, oh yeah, editing,that'll be fine. Yeah, that's kind
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of the Like it's funny because I'mlike, oh yeah, editing, that's
definitely the thing that tastes the mosttime. Jenna would like you to guess
how many hours do you think Ispend editing each episode? I'm gones.
Each episode is about what twenty twoto twenty five minutes or so four hours
an episode? God, I wishmore than If the episode is heavy on
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fully work, it can be upto fifteen Oh my god. Typically they
hit around ten to twelve it.Yes, do I waste a lot of
my life doing this podcast? Yesdo? I love it most of the
time of the Yeah. I feellike that describes like when you do something
creative because you don't love every everypart of it. Oh yeah, okay,
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then what's your favorite part of it? My? Okay. There there's
like a couple things that like veryI mean, recording is exhausting, but
fun because especially if I'm recording,like in person with people, that's always
a really good time. So recordingis fun. The writing is, the
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writing is I think all of itis fun in its own way, but
is difficult if you are like eitherforcing yourself to do it or if it's
if you're on like a really cruncheddeadline, which I am often on.
Um, But like like, onceyou get into a groove with any of
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this stuff, like I find itvery enjoyable, you know. Um.
The thing that I hate the most, the thing that is the fucking worst
part occur in the past. Yes, I can Curt, I can do
whatever I want. It's my show, Curson, like people curse in the
show. It's fine. Um,that was my one thirteen. But the
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worst part by far is that.Okay, So my editing process, if
anyone is interested in this, Iin a psychopath and I edit in a
primer and yeah, and I editin Adobe Premiere Pro because because I only
want to pay for one program,so I pay for a Premiere. I
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also never bothered to learn Adobe Audition. I realized that would have been a
good idea. I've done this forfive years, but it's been five years.
It's over. It's not gonna happenunless you make another podcast. I'm
not gonna do that. I've beentold I can't do that by myself,
and then by Aiden when he remindsme, because I've asked him to remind
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me, don't let me make intothe podcast. You're going to get another
idea to be like, oh wait, really cool as a podcast, and
now you have all this experience.But anyway, so the editing process,
basically, we record everything. Itried to record as much stuff with people
like in together as possible, whetherthat's together in person or together like over
a zoom call. So at leastlike there was some sense of like timing,
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but a lot of times that doesn'twork. So then I have to
edit it together. So my processis first making an assembly, which is
I take all of the footage fromthe entire episode and throw it into a
timeline in premiere. Then this ishow I edit everything. By the way,
if anyone was curious about a videoediting process, this is what I
do. Then I go from thereand I do a dialogue cut, and
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for that one, I just gothrough every single clip, every single line,
and I pick out the lines thatI like and get rid of the
ones that I don't. Then Ido a sound effects and timing cut.
That's when I actually put things together, make sure the timing works. That
the timing doesn't work, I tweakit, especially with things where like we
recorded it synchronously. Then I haveto artificially create all of the timing,
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which can sometimes be a nightmare.But I've learned cadences where I can do
that. I can I can dothat pretty quickly now, and then I
go through and I also add inthe sound effects, because you can't really
do timing without sound effects, especiallyfor something like this, because like in
film and TV, you have alittle bit more leeway of having sound effects
when people are talking because you havethe added benefit of there's a visual medium,
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so people can like sometimes read lips. You also, like you can
have a sound effect to be quieterif you have something representing that sound effect
visually, so it doesn't have tobe very clear what it is. But
usually in the show the sound effectsare really important for conveying like what else
is happening, so sometimes they needto like take center stage for like half
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a second or something, So thatgoes into timing as well, the last
step is the worst step because itis the audio balancing. Oh my god,
I go through the whole episode andI say, actually put this down
to descibols, Actually take this upto decipals, Actually do this, do
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that, fade in, fade out, And it sucks so bad because it's
always like the last thing that Ido, because it it only makes sense
to be the last thing that youdo, because then everything's in and everything's
good to go. But like,oh my god, it sucks. That's
the one part and so like that'sthat's the part that I dread. How
long does that part take? Orlike, do all these parts of it
take equal amounts of time? No? Assembly takes five minutes. That's my
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favorite part assembly because I can checkthat off my to do list in five
minutes. The dialogue can sometimes takea while. Um, what do I
usually do? I say a budget, Like a budget half an hour for
assembly, this is per episode.Half an hour for assembly, three hours
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for dialogue, three hours for timing. My four hours total is looking like
real hilarious. Now, it's okay, that's what people kind of expect um.
And then like two hours for audiobalance, and then I usually round
it out with like an extra hourof Oh I forgot, I have to
gather the credits. Oh there's thisother sound effect I need to go record.
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Let me throw that in. Ohwait, I actually have to change
the beginning because we have an announcement. Let me add that, you know,
little little things like that that needto be added later. Um,
so it gets close to to likenine or ten hours typically, which again,
like I realized, that's a longtime. But the more you say
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it, the more I think you'vetold me how long it takes you per
episode before. So I was like, I should have known that. The
creative processing it does take a while. Yeah, but you know, joy,
like the writing part of it's gonequicker for you, is it?
Yes, And we kind of gone. We talked about this a little bit
when in the audio that was lost, but like us the lost files,
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so we'll talk about it again becausewe were saying how my writing like process
has changed from season one to seasonfive because like in the beginning, you
guys saw it, like I said, Um, you and Kit saw a
lot of different versions of those firstfew episodes, I think, and like
I even I could even pull upright now like season two, Um,
there were some episodes I name,I name episodes um, season episode number,
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and then draft it's yeah draft letter, so I start with a yeah,
and then I go go down andthere's like there were points in season
two where I had like E drafts, yeah, which is a lot um
because I had like things that keptchanging. And right now season five,
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all of them are B drafts.At least for these first four episodes.
I owe you fifth episode, butwe're not recording it this weekend, so
it's fine. But all of themwere B drafts. And I think that's
because, I mean, we dida different like outlining and revision process thing
this time because we're crunched for time. But also like I think I have
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finally gotten their voices down that onlytook five years. But like I feel
more comfortable of writing for everybody that'slike a season regular or like a series
regular. The main problem this seasonwas figuring out when things happened. Yeah,
that's I remember in the outline,like you so all this happens over
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Skype? Yeah, so for thisseason because unfortunately we don't live in the
same city anymore, horrible, althoughwe're in the same place right now.
Hollywood, please give me my friendback, so you would like read me
your outline for each episode, andI was like making notes and as it
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got to a point of it wouldbe like, Okay, this needs to
happen before this does because this thingis going to inform this character's actions in
this scene. So there's a lotof like moving scenes around. Yeah,
sometimes between episodes. Yeah, therewas a lot of that. I mean
I was after our conversation, Iwent and like shuffled stuff around. I
was pulling things from like episode sevento move it back into like four,
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you know, because it was kindof it was a I knew that I
needed to get it done, andI knew what scenes I wanted, and
I didn't know where the fuck theywere going to go. This is why
you tell someone because then it's like, oh, yeah, this clearly has
to go here exactly. There isone like moment, like we talked about
that I'm very excited for seeing likehow it's going to play out. Which
one I'll believe it. It's fine, it's the one with Yeah, it's
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gonna be good. I'm very exciting. What other stuff were we going to
talk about? Well, I justthought something as we were like talking,
like how you write them has gottenfaster, and how I edit them has
gotten different. Well, yeah,because again it's like the kind of thing
where when I first gave you guysthings, we were we had just gotten
out of the creative writing program.Kit still was in the creative writing program,
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and we were still so focused onthis like line edit kind of thing
that we were trained on, whichlike can be very helpful in a different
creative process. But like we realizevery quickly that the way that the podcast
has made, if there are weirdthings when we're speaking, we will fix
them on the fly, yeah,like me and the actors, and we
can like rewrite as we do it. So it's like that stuff's not as
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important obviously we want it good enough, where like that doesn't happen a lot
because like you know, and wewant it, like the voices to be
consistent or at least like logically howthey grow exactly. It is very different.
Yeah, I like to talk aboutediting this last time I did worry
about commas at all. Like Iused to like be like, oh,
this comma should go here because theactor should pause here, and like this
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will like give a better sense orlike this sentence has some weird internal rhyme.
I don't know if you want youractors rhyming while they speak, but
like this last time, I didn'tlook at any of that. I actually
read a lot of it on myphone, and it would be like I
can hear their voices, like especiallyFrancis, Like I can hear Aubrey's voice,
like when I'm reading his lines.I read for like like big things
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like does this make sense plot wise, like does this character like go in
and like grow in a normal way, like these bigger picture things, and
like because you'll, you guys catchall the little like line level things or
cadence things. Yeah, so learnedthat too. That was different. Yeah.
You also didn't even like we hadkind of figured out the continuity stuff
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in the outlining too, so therewasn't even like watching out for that as
much, which I hope made anicer process for you, because like the
continuity of like dates is very hard. Oh yeah, I used to catch
more of that in the beginning,Like that was a big part of the
lining too, to be like,oh you have of sybils, like you
have purple purple purple hair. Ohyeah, her hair changing colors? Yeah,
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like oh, but it means thisin one scene, but then it's
the same color and different scene,but it means something else, and it's
like, oh that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, power consistencies,
um, power powers consistencies have changed, yeah, or sure, And like
I think I've kept them relatively likerelatively the same throughout the show. But
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I have I have a binder ofcharacter descriptions. Yeah, you do that.
I sometimes go back to because I'mcurious because I have their like their
last names written down and stuff,um, and those like I'll be like,
what's Roger's last name? And Ijust go to the binder and I'm
like, yeah, wait, Roger'ssupposed to what Wait, No, this
isn't correct. That's crazy. Yeah, things have changed, lots of things
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have changed the entire um. Iknow we're getting to the end of time,
but I wanted to just scare everybodywith the act that the entire ending
for Avara has changed. Yeah,that's changed. I knew what I wanted
for Avara's ending, at least Ithink I was. I've been pretty consistent
for the last couple of years.And then I was writing like a month
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and a half ago, and Iwas like, Jen Oh no, I
remember that's like I need to betraymyself. Yeah, but hopefully it'll be
good ending. I think it'll begood. I think it's a good ending,
I hope. So we'll see whaty'all think. But speaking of endings,
Jen has to go to work.I do have to go to work.
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So I think we're going to capoff our little discussion there. But
thank you guys for joining us forthis little series series review. Thank you
Jen for hanging out. Should dothis spoiler one after the whole seasons,
we could talk about like all ofthese things and we're like, here's all
the plot points that didn't happen.Oh yeah, I think there's definitely I
want to do. So while seasonfive is coming out in when you guys
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hear this a few weeks, Ibelieve, and you'll be getting a trailer
in two weeks, I think.I think if my dates are right,
I think that'll that'll work. Soyou'll be the season comes out on June
lie seven. Yes, season five, we'll premiere on July seventh, and
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we're gonna do our regular you know, five episodes, take a little break
in the middle. We're gonna havea bonus episode in there about cryptid Lore,
which will be fun. We intendedto have that one earlier, but
because of scheduling stuff, we weren'table to. But that's going to happen
in between the seasons, and thenwe're gonna have our final five. We're
gonna end the show, oh mygod, and then um but that will
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not be the end of the CryptedCape Feed. I want to do a
couple other bonus episodes. I'll haveJen back on and we'll chit chat about
the end. Maybe I'll cry.I don't have to get bleaved out this
time. Yeah, exactly, wecan talk about spoil these. So thank
you Jen for you hanging out inchi Chen and for all of the work
you've done over years for the show. Of course, it's been so fun.
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I'm glad I have the fun part. Well, you always say,
because I'm like, I'll always thankyou at the end of our conversation.
I'm like, thank you so much, amazing, and you're like, hey,
I get to do the fun part. Like the fun part is talking
about the writing. I don't evenhave to do the writing. And I'm
like, true, yeah, Iguess we'll see you guys next time.
Thank you for listening,
Hi, listeners, Victoria here,Welcome back to another bonus episode of Crypted
Cape. We are here today todo a little bit of a series review,
a little series wrap up, notwrap up. We still have another
season, but we are very quicklyapproaching season five, and we thought it
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would be pretty cool to talk aboutthe show is a whole talk about some
of the behind the scenes stuff.And when I say we, I mean
my lovely partner in crime, Jen, who has been hanging out behind the
scenes and helping me make this forthe last five years. And it's an
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era. It's your Crypted Cape era. Oh my god, this is my
era's tour. No, just kidding, I only have one era. It's
just it's just the podcast. Um, but would you like to introduce yourself?
Yeah? Hello, I am Jenand been helping Vicky planned this story
over How many years has it been. It's been like five years. I
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mean it's been being produced for fiveyears. Yeah, but honestly kind of
six because it took a while tostart it. It does, it does.
It feels it feels like you've orwe've been with this story for a
long time, but it also doesn'tfeel like five years worth of time or
six years worth of time. It'sit's like a weird thing, right because
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like we have these like and we'llget into this, I guess with the
process kind of stuff. But likewe do. We've I started this back
right after we graduated and um,and you know it was just kind of
an idea. Then you're very involvedin the like the pre production like writing
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and planning and stuff like that.Yeah, and then I go when I
record it, And for me,that's like two different sides of my brain,
right, It's like it's the there'sthe writing side, there's the recording
like directing side, and then there'sthe editing side, and like those are
very three, very different parts ofthe process. But all of that happens
at like different times of the yeartwo So it feels like, yeah,
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like it's been five or six years, but also like half of each of
those years kind of. And therewas a point where we got where,
like you especially got to a pointof like I need to know I didn't
have an end game yeah before Ikeep going yeah, and that's when I
was like, ten, I needhelp. But yeah, so we have
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we wanted to do this little seriesreview because it's yeah, it's getting towards
the end. Yeah, and it'sthe first time I've ever actually finished a
project. I say actually finished.It's not done yet, it will be
done. I shouldn't give myself thatthat award before it's finished. You've outlined
it, but it has to happen. You can have eighty percent of the
award. Now, Yeah, doyou want to start where you got the
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idea? I guess yeah, yeah, Where did you get get this idea?
I okay, okay, we're gonnago all the way back to high
school? Oh my goodness, yes, um, because it's not that like
I got the idea from there,but it is important where my like interest
in this kind of stuff came from. So um as far as Kryptos go,
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I have always like thought that,like weird stuff like that is fun.
My father has always loved watching umlike big Foot shows and like Finding
the YETI and the Locknest Monster.He wanted to take us up to Lake
Champlain to see Champlain. I thinkit is in New York, like upstate
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New York. There's a lake wherethey're like, oh yeah, we have
a monster like the Locknest Monster,but we call him Champ because it's Lake
champagne or whatever, and my momwas like, that is an insane trip.
What else are we going to dobesides try to find the locknest monster
in the lake? And he's like, I don't know, it might be
nice. We didn't go, butyou know, all that kind of stuff
is always always fun to Meum.But in high school, like towards the
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end of high school, my bestfriend Caroline had recommended me this show,
this podcast, and I was like, I've never even heard of what a
podcast is. And there was alittle show though, Welcome to night Vale.
If y'all don't know what Welcome tonight Ville is, it is a
gem of a creation. It's justthis weird little show where the premise is
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like there's a guy that his nameis Cecil, that is the radio likes
news host of this town called nightVale, where everything weird is perfectly normal,
and like there's a cat named Cautionicthat lives in the bathroom where he
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works and floats five feet above theground and has like multiple eyes and heads
and things like that, and that'stotally normal. And like the sun is
loud in screams when it rises,and that's normal, and like all of
this weird stuff and it's just avery like weird surrealist kind of like comedic
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sweet little thing and I love itso so much. And I started listening
to it in high school and thatstarted my like love of podcast in general,
but also specifically like fictional podcasts,because like that was my introduction to
podcasts at all. Right, SoI was like, oh, people do
this like with nonfiction things too,why And then I started listening to smother
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ones in college. I found afew like Tannis and the Black Tapes and
Rabbits that are all really good,and I was like, I want to
make one of these. And Ireally wanted to make one after I made
a couple of movies in college andwas like, wow, that was expensive.
You know, it's less expensive asingle micro fun I had a lot
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of iterations of like what a fictionalpodcast could be before Crypti Cape, but
the first one that looked at alllike what it ended up being was and
I think I might have shown youthis maybe I had like a small write
up of something. It was awoman that worked at a truck stop diner
in the middle of nowhere, yes, and I do vaguely remember, yeah,
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yeah, And in the like,and her clientele was totally normal during
the day, and then at nightthe cryptids that lived in the area would
come because they knew it was achill place to hang the things that go
bump into night cafe. Yeah,exactly, exactly, And that was the
first thing that looked like cryptid cape. And I liked that idea, but
I thought that the that being havingit be tied to the diner was a
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little limiting. And also, Ilike, I was very hung up on
this idea, which I guess thisis something that also changed throughout the production
of the podcast. I was hungup on this idea of like, there
needs to be a reason that she'srecording and besides like keeping yourself awake during
the night shifts at a diner,I don't know what other reason she was
recording for. Yeah, And Iwas like, well, what if what
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if she was like a news shewas some sort of journalist. And I
was like, well, then thatdoesn't really work if she's at a diner.
What if she is the journalist fora really small town. And then
and then it then it kept going, Yeah, do you think you'll revisit
the diner, because like, nowI want to hear more about the Diner.
Yeah, I don't know, becauseit's the stories are very similar.
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Yeah, right, I suppose Icould it just it is like a very
limiting thing because like I had likea I don't know, krypto kipe turned
into this like very slice of lifekind of thing. It did. I
don't think I ever really intended itto be that. I wanted it to
be a little bit spookier, alittle bit weirder and stuff, but like
that's just not like where it endedup going. Yeah, it's not where
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my writing really ended up going.The diner one would have been more like
that's also part of the problem andthe other things that I've learned through podcasting,
but like it would have been alittle bit more action kind of based.
Like the first episode. I thinkthe plan was that like it was
a normal night at the diner whenthe cryptids came, and then one of
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the cryptids had been like attacked orsomething, and she had to like run
out into the woods and help themor whatever, and it's like that's a
lot of fully effort. But Idon't know, it could be a short
story or something, yeah, becauseI feel like that kind of conflict maybe
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we had more plans for and thenseason one happened and you're like, this
is so many sound effects to findor make. Did you make any of
them? Oh? Yeah, Imade a lot of them. Oh my
god, Oh Jesus Christ. Okay, so all of my sound effects either
come from the wonderful free YouTube library. If anyone's ever producing anything, go
to the YouTube library for sound andmusic and it's it's iconic. Yeah.
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I made a lot of sounds thatperson that like saw, like the high
heels or the funky shoes on andwalking on various surfaces. Oh yeah,
I used to do that in college. Yeah. I did that for my
movie. I did that for acouple other films. Yeah, I see
those videos to room myself around thefully room. We had a fully studio
in college. I wasn't able touse it for the podcast because I had
already graduated, but I used itfor for some films. That's cool,
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that's yeah. But yeah, someof the smaller sounds I'll make myself.
M season three, we were balling, and I am by balling. I
mean, we had a Kickstarter campaignand I was like, this is too
complicated, We're not doing that again. But we were able to pay my
friend Isaac to make some sound effectsbecause he does he does music producing and
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podcast producing, um and uh andfully in sound effects and stuff. So
he made me some fully which isvery cool. Cool. But yeah,
the season one, that was anotherqu that was on like our little list
of like what are things that changed? Yeah, one of the big ones.
And I don't know if you've noticed, Jen, but a lot of
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the conflict is now not fight fightit is argue. Yeah, well that
like it suits this medium because it'snot visual and it's not like you're not
even like looking at like words ona page in a book where you can
see like where the pacing change ortheir paragraph breaks. This is it's all
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things you hear, so it makessense that it switched. But that was
something I think both of us hadto like see play out and be like,
oh, yeah, this is doyou want to do that again.
The specific thing we're referencing is obviouslythat if you haven't if you've been here
since the beginning and haven't listened back, which I wouldn't blame me. I
haven't either. Um, I don'teither. Usually I can't. I haven't
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listened to a single episode after Ifinish it. That's just a mean thing.
I don't watch anything that I've madeonce it's done. Once the final
like, I will watch the finalcut to make sure that, like everything
looks good and stuff like that.I listened through to every final cut,
um, to make sure nothing weirdhappened that I didn't notice in editing.
And then I upload it and Inever touch it again. I never listened
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to it, I never look atit. I never ever ever like,
I can't I can't do it.It's done. Yeah, Unfortunately we lost
a little bit of audio here,um, So should we just move on
to the other thing that we weretalking about is a story that we planned
this over skype calls that often changed. They're often a few hours long.
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Oh yeah, very true. Yeah, Okay, well, I guess we
were kind of still talking about alllearning because I was saying that the first
season was kind of like a Ijust made a thing, made a thing
and was like, hey, canyou guys, like like I had asked
you and our other friend to umlike line edit basically for me was like
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hey, there's I think I onlyhad like three episodes or something. You
had like, yeah, it wasn'ta full season. Yet Oh it was
nowhere near a full season because Ididn't even have a full season when I
started releasing them spoiler, which ifseason one feels a little disappointed, maybe
that's fine. Growing pains. Yeah, but I had only written the first
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five episodes before the first episode cameout. Um, and I think I
had. I guess I had givenall five to you guys, and you
had given me notes on them whenyou could. But again, it was
like a line note kind of thingbecause we were going from having normally like
proofred each other's like short story stufftoo. Then later obviously you came,
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You became more involved our friend KitActually it was involved in their own way
in the podcast because they made mychannel art channel art that's a YouTube channel
art. They made the speaker,they made the sticker, they made the
podcast cover art, and you kindof like fell into this rule of like
helping me out a little bit morewith the story itself. Yeah. Yeah,
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it must have been after season twowhere I was like, I have
no fucking clue what I'm doing withthis. It's like, now you set
up all these rules, all thesepromises, and it's like where are they
going? Yeah, and we hadto figure that out exactly. And I
had had so many characters that Iwas playing with two and it was just
such a different like and you hadplans for characters still the Calm that hadn't
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like shown up yet, but theyknew who were going to be there,
or ones that had just shown upin season two and we're going to stay.
I mean, there are there area few characters in season five that
I have had plans for for likeover three years now, yeah, which
is kind of crazy. And obviously, like the big one of the season
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whose name I'm not going to tellyou. Oh wait, just kidding.
They listened to the last episode ofseason four, the High Council, you
guys know the f that is.That's fine, but like obviously the High
Council has been like in play fora long time and they will become a
character finally in this season. Butthere are a couple other characters that I've
had in mind that like have notentered the actual I mean that happened with
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Caleb too. I had Caleb andMine for a few years. You've had
Francy's backstory in mine for a longtime, yes, since like early days,
Like I don't know, because II love all the characters, but
I latched onto Francy specifically, Ithink because of the Jersey Devil myth and
because of just the way that Aubreyplays. Francy is so fun. And
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had this idea of a backstory andI was like, oh, I want
to include a character in future seasonsfrom that backstory. And then finally I
was able to bring well, Iguess Caleb came in in season three.
Yeah, so yeah, it didn'ttake too long, but it was a
couple of years. Yeah, Calebwas mentioned earlier and then yeah, I
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think I mentioned him the first timein the live episode that we did.
Hold in the live episode. Yeah, extra cannon. Yeah, we have
a little bit of extra cannon.We had a live episode. If you
guys weren't around for that, wehad a live episode and in between season
two and three. Um as likea fun thing to do for people who
were donating to that Kickstarter campaign thatwe had, and it was fun,
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it was stressful. I won't doit again. Um it was like an
online live episode two Oh yeah,because that would have been high COVID days,
I think so. Yeah. Um, A lot of this was produced
during high covid. Yeah, gotthis whole I just it. You did
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a good thing. You made thiswhole thing I did. I did the
thing that needed to be done.I just needed something to do because I
like, we graduated college and likeI had gotten a job that was dogshit,
and then I had left that job, and then I was working like
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weirdly part time, which like atthat time, because me and Becca were
living together in a house that wasshockingly affordable. Shout out to Becca,
She's sitting on the couch right now, house cheers with Kingdom. That's great.
Oh so jealous. We were livingin a house that was cheap and
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in Tucson, which is also cheap, and I was able to do a
part time gig for a little whileand like work on the podcast and stuff
too. I well, I mean, I guess I decided to start working
on the podcast then because I neededsomething creative because that old job had just
sapped all of the desire to makethings out of my bout and I was
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like, I need to get backto that or else I'm never going to
make anything ever again. It waslike, how are you going to write
it? Who are you going tocast? Do you have funds to pay
actors right away? What who's goingto host your podcast? Like all these
things. It's like there's so muchthat goes in to this, like and
then you're like, oh and thenthe editing, which you always seem to
like, oh yeah, editing,that'll be fine. Yeah, that's kind
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of the Like it's funny because I'mlike, oh yeah, editing, that's
definitely the thing that tastes the mosttime. Jenna would like you to guess
how many hours do you think Ispend editing each episode? I'm gones.
Each episode is about what twenty twoto twenty five minutes or so four hours
an episode? God, I wishmore than If the episode is heavy on
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fully work, it can be upto fifteen Oh my god. Typically they
hit around ten to twelve it.Yes, do I waste a lot of
my life doing this podcast? Yesdo? I love it most of the
time of the Yeah. I feellike that describes like when you do something
creative because you don't love every everypart of it. Oh yeah, okay,
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then what's your favorite part of it? My? Okay. There there's
like a couple things that like veryI mean, recording is exhausting, but
fun because especially if I'm recording,like in person with people, that's always
a really good time. So recordingis fun. The writing is, the
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writing is I think all of itis fun in its own way, but
is difficult if you are like eitherforcing yourself to do it or if it's
if you're on like a really cruncheddeadline, which I am often on.
Um, But like like, onceyou get into a groove with any of
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this stuff, like I find itvery enjoyable, you know. Um.
The thing that I hate the most, the thing that is the fucking worst
part occur in the past. Yes, I can Curt, I can do
whatever I want. It's my show, Curson, like people curse in the
show. It's fine. Um,that was my one thirteen. But the
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worst part by far is that.Okay, So my editing process, if
anyone is interested in this, Iin a psychopath and I edit in a
primer and yeah, and I editin Adobe Premiere Pro because because I only
want to pay for one program,so I pay for a Premiere. I
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also never bothered to learn Adobe Audition. I realized that would have been a
good idea. I've done this forfive years, but it's been five years.
It's over. It's not gonna happenunless you make another podcast. I'm
not gonna do that. I've beentold I can't do that by myself,
and then by Aiden when he remindsme, because I've asked him to remind
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me, don't let me make intothe podcast. You're going to get another
idea to be like, oh wait, really cool as a podcast, and
now you have all this experience.But anyway, so the editing process,
basically, we record everything. Itried to record as much stuff with people
like in together as possible, whetherthat's together in person or together like over
a zoom call. So at leastlike there was some sense of like timing,
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but a lot of times that doesn'twork. So then I have to
edit it together. So my processis first making an assembly, which is
I take all of the footage fromthe entire episode and throw it into a
timeline in premiere. Then this ishow I edit everything. By the way,
if anyone was curious about a videoediting process, this is what I
do. Then I go from thereand I do a dialogue cut, and
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for that one, I just gothrough every single clip, every single line,
and I pick out the lines thatI like and get rid of the
ones that I don't. Then Ido a sound effects and timing cut.
That's when I actually put things together, make sure the timing works. That
the timing doesn't work, I tweakit, especially with things where like we
recorded it synchronously. Then I haveto artificially create all of the timing,
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which can sometimes be a nightmare.But I've learned cadences where I can do
that. I can I can dothat pretty quickly now, and then I
go through and I also add inthe sound effects, because you can't really
do timing without sound effects, especiallyfor something like this, because like in
film and TV, you have alittle bit more leeway of having sound effects
when people are talking because you havethe added benefit of there's a visual medium,
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so people can like sometimes read lips. You also, like you can
have a sound effect to be quieterif you have something representing that sound effect
visually, so it doesn't have tobe very clear what it is. But
usually in the show the sound effectsare really important for conveying like what else
is happening, so sometimes they needto like take center stage for like half
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a second or something, So thatgoes into timing as well, the last
step is the worst step because itis the audio balancing. Oh my god,
I go through the whole episode andI say, actually put this down
to descibols, Actually take this upto decipals, Actually do this, do
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that, fade in, fade out, And it sucks so bad because it's
always like the last thing that Ido, because it it only makes sense
to be the last thing that youdo, because then everything's in and everything's
good to go. But like,oh my god, it sucks. That's
the one part and so like that'sthat's the part that I dread. How
long does that part take? Orlike, do all these parts of it
take equal amounts of time? No? Assembly takes five minutes. That's my
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favorite part assembly because I can checkthat off my to do list in five
minutes. The dialogue can sometimes takea while. Um, what do I
usually do? I say a budget, Like a budget half an hour for
assembly, this is per episode.Half an hour for assembly, three hours
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for dialogue, three hours for timing. My four hours total is looking like
real hilarious. Now, it's okay, that's what people kind of expect um.
And then like two hours for audiobalance, and then I usually round
it out with like an extra hourof Oh I forgot, I have to
gather the credits. Oh there's thisother sound effect I need to go record.
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Let me throw that in. Ohwait, I actually have to change
the beginning because we have an announcement. Let me add that, you know,
little little things like that that needto be added later. Um,
so it gets close to to likenine or ten hours typically, which again,
like I realized, that's a longtime. But the more you say
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it, the more I think you'vetold me how long it takes you per
episode before. So I was like, I should have known that. The
creative processing it does take a while. Yeah, but you know, joy,
like the writing part of it's gonequicker for you, is it?
Yes, And we kind of gone. We talked about this a little bit
when in the audio that was lost, but like us the lost files,
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so we'll talk about it again becausewe were saying how my writing like process
has changed from season one to seasonfive because like in the beginning, you
guys saw it, like I said, Um, you and Kit saw a
lot of different versions of those firstfew episodes, I think, and like
I even I could even pull upright now like season two, Um,
there were some episodes I name,I name episodes um, season episode number,
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and then draft it's yeah draft letter, so I start with a yeah,
and then I go go down andthere's like there were points in season
two where I had like E drafts, yeah, which is a lot um
because I had like things that keptchanging. And right now season five,
(24:53):
all of them are B drafts.At least for these first four episodes.
I owe you fifth episode, butwe're not recording it this weekend, so
it's fine. But all of themwere B drafts. And I think that's
because, I mean, we dida different like outlining and revision process thing
this time because we're crunched for time. But also like I think I have
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finally gotten their voices down that onlytook five years. But like I feel
more comfortable of writing for everybody that'slike a season regular or like a series
regular. The main problem this seasonwas figuring out when things happened. Yeah,
that's I remember in the outline,like you so all this happens over
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Skype? Yeah, so for thisseason because unfortunately we don't live in the
same city anymore, horrible, althoughwe're in the same place right now.
Hollywood, please give me my friendback, so you would like read me
your outline for each episode, andI was like making notes and as it
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got to a point of it wouldbe like, Okay, this needs to
happen before this does because this thingis going to inform this character's actions in
this scene. So there's a lotof like moving scenes around. Yeah,
sometimes between episodes. Yeah, therewas a lot of that. I mean
I was after our conversation, Iwent and like shuffled stuff around. I
was pulling things from like episode sevento move it back into like four,
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you know, because it was kindof it was a I knew that I
needed to get it done, andI knew what scenes I wanted, and
I didn't know where the fuck theywere going to go. This is why
you tell someone because then it's like, oh, yeah, this clearly has
to go here exactly. There isone like moment, like we talked about
that I'm very excited for seeing likehow it's going to play out. Which
one I'll believe it. It's fine, it's the one with Yeah, it's
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gonna be good. I'm very exciting. What other stuff were we going to
talk about? Well, I justthought something as we were like talking,
like how you write them has gottenfaster, and how I edit them has
gotten different. Well, yeah,because again it's like the kind of thing
where when I first gave you guysthings, we were we had just gotten
out of the creative writing program.Kit still was in the creative writing program,
(27:06):
and we were still so focused onthis like line edit kind of thing
that we were trained on, whichlike can be very helpful in a different
creative process. But like we realizevery quickly that the way that the podcast
has made, if there are weirdthings when we're speaking, we will fix
them on the fly, yeah,like me and the actors, and we
can like rewrite as we do it. So it's like that stuff's not as
(27:29):
important obviously we want it good enough, where like that doesn't happen a lot
because like you know, and wewant it, like the voices to be
consistent or at least like logically howthey grow exactly. It is very different.
Yeah, I like to talk aboutediting this last time I did worry
about commas at all. Like Iused to like be like, oh,
this comma should go here because theactor should pause here, and like this
(27:52):
will like give a better sense orlike this sentence has some weird internal rhyme.
I don't know if you want youractors rhyming while they speak, but
like this last time, I didn'tlook at any of that. I actually
read a lot of it on myphone, and it would be like I
can hear their voices, like especiallyFrancis, Like I can hear Aubrey's voice,
like when I'm reading his lines.I read for like like big things
(28:17):
like does this make sense plot wise, like does this character like go in
and like grow in a normal way, like these bigger picture things, and
like because you'll, you guys catchall the little like line level things or
cadence things. Yeah, so learnedthat too. That was different. Yeah.
You also didn't even like we hadkind of figured out the continuity stuff
(28:41):
in the outlining too, so therewasn't even like watching out for that as
much, which I hope made anicer process for you, because like the
continuity of like dates is very hard. Oh yeah, I used to catch
more of that in the beginning,Like that was a big part of the
lining too, to be like,oh you have of sybils, like you
have purple purple purple hair. Ohyeah, her hair changing colors? Yeah,
(29:07):
like oh, but it means thisin one scene, but then it's
the same color and different scene,but it means something else, and it's
like, oh that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, power consistencies,
um, power powers consistencies have changed, yeah, or sure, And like
I think I've kept them relatively likerelatively the same throughout the show. But
(29:30):
I have I have a binder ofcharacter descriptions. Yeah, you do that.
I sometimes go back to because I'mcurious because I have their like their
last names written down and stuff,um, and those like I'll be like,
what's Roger's last name? And Ijust go to the binder and I'm
like, yeah, wait, Roger'ssupposed to what Wait, No, this
isn't correct. That's crazy. Yeah, things have changed, lots of things
(29:53):
have changed the entire um. Iknow we're getting to the end of time,
but I wanted to just scare everybodywith the act that the entire ending
for Avara has changed. Yeah,that's changed. I knew what I wanted
for Avara's ending, at least Ithink I was. I've been pretty consistent
for the last couple of years.And then I was writing like a month
(30:14):
and a half ago, and Iwas like, Jen Oh no, I
remember that's like I need to betraymyself. Yeah, but hopefully it'll be
good ending. I think it'll begood. I think it's a good ending,
I hope. So we'll see whaty'all think. But speaking of endings,
Jen has to go to work.I do have to go to work.
(30:36):
So I think we're going to capoff our little discussion there. But
thank you guys for joining us forthis little series series review. Thank you
Jen for hanging out. Should dothis spoiler one after the whole seasons,
we could talk about like all ofthese things and we're like, here's all
the plot points that didn't happen.Oh yeah, I think there's definitely I
want to do. So while seasonfive is coming out in when you guys
(31:00):
hear this a few weeks, Ibelieve, and you'll be getting a trailer
in two weeks, I think.I think if my dates are right,
I think that'll that'll work. Soyou'll be the season comes out on June
lie seven. Yes, season five, we'll premiere on July seventh, and
(31:27):
we're gonna do our regular you know, five episodes, take a little break
in the middle. We're gonna havea bonus episode in there about cryptid Lore,
which will be fun. We intendedto have that one earlier, but
because of scheduling stuff, we weren'table to. But that's going to happen
in between the seasons, and thenwe're gonna have our final five. We're
gonna end the show, oh mygod, and then um but that will
(31:47):
not be the end of the CryptedCape Feed. I want to do a
couple other bonus episodes. I'll haveJen back on and we'll chit chat about
the end. Maybe I'll cry.I don't have to get bleaved out this
time. Yeah, exactly, wecan talk about spoil these. So thank
you Jen for you hanging out inchi Chen and for all of the work
you've done over years for the show. Of course, it's been so fun.
(32:10):
I'm glad I have the fun part. Well, you always say,
because I'm like, I'll always thankyou at the end of our conversation.
I'm like, thank you so much, amazing, and you're like, hey,
I get to do the fun part. Like the fun part is talking
about the writing. I don't evenhave to do the writing. And I'm
like, true, yeah, Iguess we'll see you guys next time.
Thank you for listening,
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