Episode 400: A Really Cool Hat (Part 2 of 2)

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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hi Christina, Hi Chelsea. How's it going. It's going. I'm
doing our crafts. We're sitting mouse here. He said that
he's not going to fall asleep out multiple times. I
also doubt I've also been given permission that if he
does fall asleep, I'm allowed to throw something at him.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I appreciately just like early.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, I want to announce it too, so that if
it happens, the listener can feel the same joy I
feel when I pick up one of your dog's toys
and throw it at you.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Would then cause Minda to throw herself upon you.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Exactly. It's part of my brand place to wake mal
up with fear.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
But hello, listeners, I'm not sleepy at all. We didn't
have a great walk at the Farmer's market. I'm not
fully fed.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Mal god his enrichment. He went to his natural habitat,
which is the farmer's market.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, honestly, if there wasn't like airplanes and helicopters, I'd
just be there just eating.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
They do close eventually, they do.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
They close it one. And also there's lots of people there,
which you also don't like.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
I don't like people, but high listeners. Also, it's great
to hear from you. You're here, great for you to
hear from me. Actually, okay, because it's been a bit
and we're not dead.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
It has been a bit that was touch and go
because again, apparently neither of you told the people that
you were not dead.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Here's the thing. I thought that had been communicated that
we were taking a break to the people.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Ain't sure you sure didn't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I said, let's take a break, and you were like, no,
it's fine, I can I can get something out with
like Duncan or someone.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
And then I was like, oh, that's not gonna happen.
And I vocalized this to you, and.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Then neither of you said anything to the people. Listen.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
I fully agree that it was at that point I
should have said something on Blue Sky. I'm just saying, hand,
when we were you want recording.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
You want to place the blame on me.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
When we were recording, you should have acquiesced him, been like,
you're right, I probably won't do that.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm just saying, neither of you are free from sin,
that's right, and I should be allowed to throw things
at both of you.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
I don't want to be full.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
I don't want to be whole like don't want to
be the only one in this sinking ship.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
I see, I see. Yes, if I'm going if she's
going down and.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Going down with exctly, she's she's dragging you to her debts.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yes, yep, I'm here and we're here. And I listened
obviously to the first part of this. Because of the
fact that.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
You edit the podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
I'm very excited about the rest of this. I'm very
excited to say how I feel about some of the stuff. Excellent,
I'd rob a.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Bank, okay, victim less crime, yeah, welcome to colds, crippins
and culpability where this is not illegally binding statement podcast.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
The lawyer purposes, That is a joke for lawyer purposes.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yes, yes, no thing that.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
We say on this podcast can be used against us
in a court of law, because for all you know,
they're all goofs everything.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
I'd rob a banking game.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
In game which game g t A Yeah, okay, I.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Thought Red Dead.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I don't think that they can rob banks in Red Dead,
which seems like.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
In the storyline there's one mission where you do, but
not in the multiplayer PvP area.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
That's fair. I feel dumb like there's not enough in
Red Dead period kind of statement.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Not enough in Red Dead, even though Red Dead came
out and it was one of the best games. Open
World has lots of content, there could have been more.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
There could have been more, and Red Dead Online is
the forgotten, unwanted stepchild of rocks are games and we
all know it. We all know.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
How do you feel about GTA?

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Ambivalent? Okay, I have tried to play GTA, couldn't get
into it.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Have you seen the trailers for the new GTA?

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Is there a new GTA? There will be next year?
What was somebody there was something about you? Who's talking
about the popes and gt.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Okay, technically it was my coworker data, but.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yes, about about how there there has been a GTA
for every pope in the last several several years, last
several decades, except for oh.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
No, wait, there was one that came out during Francis.
I think it was it was either that there was
none or there was one that came out during Francis,
which it was like before that, it was like there
had been a few out per pulp.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
We should we should group all games by pope era? Yes,
we should, Yeah, we should?

Speaker 2 (04:28):
How long? Okay? Now I have an actual question. How
long do popes last usually until they expire?

Speaker 1 (04:33):
I don't know what the average pope shelf life is. Yeah,
I'm gonna look because I don't know if I've done
that math. I just hope shelf life.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I assume a pope stays pope for a minimum twenty
plus years.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
No, they're they're old manage.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
No, average pope tenure is twelve to fourteen years.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, okay, maybe old men usually, at least in the
modern popes.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Raining pope, hang on, hang on. Pope's at the longest,
rain the pope forever. Say Peter thirty four years.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Which one there to sixty four a d. And then
thirty three to sixty.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Seven Saint Peter the second are you something like that?

Speaker 3 (05:12):
And then Pope Jumpaul the second, which is for most
of our lives.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Uh was third with.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Twenty six years, five months and seventeen days.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
I guess it's not most at this point.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
It's not most of our lives at this point because
that was fifteen years for me, so it's less for
you guys. So yeah, it's not most of our lives
at this point, but still quite a bit of our lives.
The longest pope in our lifetime because we have been
alive for one, two, three, now four popes.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
That's wild to me. That's wild popes. Why do they
keep swapping them out?

Speaker 1 (05:44):
They die? None of them didn't it because they keep dying.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
None of them abdicated, which has only happened I think
one other time.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Mortality comes for most of us.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, like he's dead now, but he didn't. He didn't
stop being hope because of death.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
But anyway, I think the Giants are I really want
them to win this year.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Okay, okay, because baseball because the pope is from Chicago
and is not. The White Sox are not doing great,
but that's that can be true of most years.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Anyway. I love pictures, honestly, I'm a big Fanily he
does he.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
So we have this picture on the Giants named Logan
Webb and he's a big fan.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
And I won't say the nickname I have for this
joun of Christina's dissociatings.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Associating but real quicker at the bottom of the seven
three to one, so hopefully we win.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I love that Christina usually disassociate when we're like being
gross or bickering. But now you have another category to
disassociate about.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, I' almost going to my happy place. I'm just like,
that's fine. They can talk about sport. I'll just be
over here. I'll be thinking about something.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
What do you What are you thinking about, Christina? What
do you want to talk about?

Speaker 1 (06:47):
What was I thinking about? I think I was just gone.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
The only team that's doing worse than the White Sox
is Colorado.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
No, I'll tell you what I was thinking about. I'm
gonna rupt this again and tell you what I think about.
I was talking about the song too Many Cooks, but
it was popes. I was thinking too many popes, to
too many pops. Except there's there's not They're not overlapping,
so it's a different thing. I was also thinking about
the movie Conclave.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Oh, Yes, which.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Which apparently they watched the post for Conclave. Yes, the
cardinals watched.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
So here's the thing. Here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Was that a horror movie?

Speaker 1 (07:21):
No?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
The uh high, sweet little Ldy, she's talking to her cat.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Her cats entered the room for contact with a listener.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yes, apparently a lot of the cardinals that were in
this conclave had been appointed by Francis.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, their new car, so they were new. So they'd
never been in conclave before. So is there not like
a training video that the Vaticans made? Had they not
get like an old man training videos? No, I think
they should make a training video. They should do it.
You could you're able to go into your first conclave.
Here's what you can expect, and like it's an old

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Italian man from the nineteen eighties, but it's also like.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
A incredibly cheesy training videos also from the nineteen eighties,
and it's got the.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Kind of like music playing in the background, like.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
The dude, are you about to enter your first conflict?

Speaker 1 (08:11):
I think do we have the skills? I feel like
we can do this. I feel like we just need
to get a native Italian speaker to translate it and
then teach. It would have to be you. So we
couldn't be doing it because we're women. Are we can
be on camera? Are there no nuns? But they can't
be doing the training videos for the cardinals?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Okay, agreed, that's cool. I'm up for this role. But
also why can't there be Why can we just change
it now? Make women, make make women in that role?
What are they called ministers again? I can't remember the
guys doing red outfits the cardinals. Yeah, make women cardinals.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
That means, hey, listen, I'm not in charge of the church,
but that would be my first degree. We continue, Chelsea,
we know a native Italian speaker. It's the director of
my department at so you get him to teach me
to phenetically pronounced.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
No, I feel like we could absolutely get the director
of my department to be in a video for this.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Okay, then dressing up like a cardinal.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
But is he from I know his.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Parents currently lived there and he yes, he's definitely fluent
because he lived there for quite a while, but he
has no accent.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
So I was like shocked, do you speak Italian? So
we dressed this man up like a card I think
we could, and then we make a training video on
this is what you can expect.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
He would look for the cardinal man.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Hilarious. This is the same director.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
This is my same director that gets up early in
the morning to play Fortnite before work.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Oh, never mind, I was thinking of a different person.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Who are you thinking of?

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I was thinking of your boss.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
He would also be a good cardinal.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
You would look No, he would look like a good
card You would look great.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
No, that's my manager. Of our directors.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
But anyway, welcome to Welcome to Colt, Scrypts and Carpers.
Now we already did the fake Chelsea. It was cold
scripts and culpability because Mal was saying stuff that was,
you know, to us.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I don't can't be proven in a chordably, it can't.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Be everything, goofs.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Can I do a second one Conclave?

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Conclave?

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (10:11):
I did?

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Okay, so a while ago. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
The intro continues. This is cold scripts and conspiracies, where
we talk about things that are cult, cryptic, conspiratic, all
of those things, the things that are a cult, spooky, mysterious, strange, funny,
et cetera. Whatever we kind of want to talk about.
Bitter and I were discussing recently the possibility of, you
know how people have like those themed costume parties where
it's it's just a party to a party, but it

(10:38):
is a theme.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yes, So we were talking.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
About, after watching the movie Conclave, what if we had
a move a party which was like a priest party
where you dress up as your favorite fictional priest just
for funzies.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Fictional, but they'd all wear similar outfits.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Necessarily because you could have a fantasy priest, fantasy priest
whoars a different outfit than other priests too.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
So you dress up as a Dandi clerica. That could
I guess.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
You could that counts or even a paladin. You could
be what was his name from Free Ridden?

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I forgot. He's a great guy.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
I love that guy. I don't remember what his name is,
and that's haunting me. Starts with it Hier, the hot
priest from from Flea Bag.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
I'm thinking of the comic priest that she also was
a TV show Counts.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, the one who Midna Midna priest feeling.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Why do you give her the squeaky toy. I love
the squeaky toy.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Squeaky toy gone now she said about that. But here's
the thing spinning off on the idea of the priest
party conclave. Party. You show up dressed up as your
favorite priest. They get promoted to cardinal and now we
have to have a conclave where everybody at the party
has to vote within the members of the party for
who's going to be the next poet to the fictional ones.

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So you dress up like whether you're freaking again, your
your party's D and D cleric the hot priest from
Flea Bag. I know Bitter wants to be wolf Wood
from Trygun. That counts, of course. So it's like that
priest who is now a cardinal. You could even do ladies.
I listen, this is your party. You can be cardinals
if you want to lady cardinals.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Why not you are a lady clarik oh oh from
Dungeon Mashi.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
She's not Clariic.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
No, no you could.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
I don't know if she counts as a priest you
talk about. Yeah, I would.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Argue, actually, she's in the priest category, but she doesn't
worship a god. You don't have to worship a god
to take care of the dead.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
But that's not the same thing. Now, yeah, that's not
the same thing. A priest worship is a service to
a god.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
So that's what your qualifier is.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Okay, that's the definition of a priest. I meant.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
I meant just in the Dungeon Mesh universe, I was
actually not.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Fucking We're talking about this party, conclave party where you
are addressed up like a fictional priest who's promoted cardinal
and now has to vote either for other cardinals or
for yourself.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
But who's going to be the party. Maybe can for yourself? Yeah?
Why not?

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Actually I think they can do that. They can. Yeah,
I think you can vote for themselves.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Why not? You can vote for salty because what you
should be able to vote for yourself.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
One of the reasons why sometimes they don't have an
immediate pick is because everybody votes for themselves, usually for
the first one.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Interesting okay, and then you slowly start denying them food
so that they start voting better. Yep, that doesn't happen,
but maybe it sho did happen. That did happen because
there was one conclave that went on for like three years.
I think that made an exaggeration, but there was one
conclave that was going on so long they started denying
them food so that they would speed it up a
little bit. Yeah my god, Yeah that happened in real life, Chelsea.

(13:33):
I know. Well wait, I know.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
There was the whole thing where they said, like if
it like they get the they give them less and
less good food for sure, and then and they start
and then after that they started giving them less and
less food period because they're like, hey, guys, can you
speed it up a little bit?

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Okay? Can we need to incentivize you. Hey guy, old men,
you're not getting any younger here. Pick one of them,
pick one, pick one. So that's my pitch to you
the listener is have a conclave party and then tell
me who gets voted pope.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
I think we should do this.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
I think we should happen. I think we can make
this happen.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
I got to find a fictional priest that I think
should be U or a wild card, a fictional priest
who really shouldn't be pope.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
But you make a very compelling argument.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
I think a pope that isn't about God that could
be wild and be wild.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
You just got to get all the other cardinals on
your side. You gotta make deals for some of them.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
You could also be like, hey, I know you're gonna
tell me this fictional character isn't a priest, but I'm
going to tell you why they are.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, you go from here. But that's before you're even
allowed in the party. You have to that's the first hurdle.
What if you are a priest for Satan accounts. I
didn't say you have to worship the Christian God. I
just said you had to be a priest, right right.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
It's like, yeah, no, yeah, praise that groovy dude.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
You can be whatever the kind of priests you want.
What if you get to be pope? Everyone has to pick.
I just want to I just want to know the
back the backroom deal in the corners of this party
and somebody's living room, a bunch of cardinals getting together
to be like, what can I do for you to vote.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
For me from being hope?

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, let me watch Conclave and then you watch Conclave.
So that's that's what this podcast is about. No, no,
it's not. It's a dramatized it's a dramatized story about
a fictional conclave about a pope dying and the drama
that happens when they try to you should. It's a
good movie.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
I love historical drama.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
It's a good film.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
It's not historical.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, but they ain't got cell phones in there.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
They are not allowed to have cell phones in the conclave.
It's true. Anything where there's no cell phone do it?
They do got a raw dogget as the kids say,
did you see that? I did? I did see that?

Speaker 3 (15:39):
What so someone I don't remember which news organization, but
one of the newer organizations. While Conclave was happening posted
an article where the title was like the clip big
title was like, uh, cardinals are not allowed to have
cell phones within Conclave, so they're raw dogging it, and
everyone's like, I'm sorry, who told you who approved this headline?

Speaker 2 (16:04):
What if there was the backup headline like the one
the but there was actually really good headline that was
like pr approved, but they actually swapped them.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Or what if that editor knew exactly what they were Yeah,
what if that editor was.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Like, anyway, is that on theaters or do we have.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
To like it's on streaming.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
It was nominated, So here's the other thing. It was
nominated for an Oscar last year, and I was nominated
for Best Actor and Adrian Brodie ended up winning for
something else and I can't remember what he was in,
but he had the most obnoxious, fucking acceptance speech. So
everyone's joking like, if the Pope had just died last
year and Conclave had been happening at this time last year,
Conclave would have won the Oscar and we wouldn't have

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had to suffer through Adrian Brodie's insufferable acceptance speech.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
I'm so sorry. Can we watch Conclived tomorrow? But sure, Okay.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
I'm glad that I've confluenced you.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I thought I thought it.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Was a horror.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Now, so the whole time I've been like, oh, it.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Was a horror?

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Is that what you were thinking of?

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Very different movie?

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Probably?

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Okay? Is good?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Hey, minda fuck off.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Let's let's do podcasts. We've been we've been here in
this space for too long. Let's do podcasts. How about
how about.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
That you say that you're gonna be here like a while.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
God, I know, but let's let's all the more reason
to move on to the second part of my topic,
today's episode. Hey, guys, today's episode four hundred. By the way,
it's episode four. We've done four hundred of these. What
the hell?

Speaker 3 (17:27):
This isn't my longest relationship.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
What are we doing with ourselves?

Speaker 3 (17:30):
We started this before Mal and I got together.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
It does. It's older than you, yep.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
I mean I don't feel threatened. I know where I stand.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
That's yeah, that's fair. I who you'd pick in No, listen,
you'd both pick me and let's not lie that's true. Anyway.
We're gonna move on to the topic of today's podcast,
but first, let's have a quick word from our sponsors.

(18:00):
Now and Chelsea, well, now that you you weren't here
for the last episode, but you did listen to it.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I did, and I had some feelings.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
What do you both? Oh, and you said while we
were the while we were in line for our bagels
at the farmer's market, you did say that you wanted
five minutes to just go off. So about your thoughts
about this robbery.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
I was listening to it because the recording, and during
it I had my own gasps and moments, but again
I was recording, so I just think it was very wild.
If again I don't know what it's the story, but
if this is one man who had the most the
hugest like scheme now strategy plot, who again, as you said,
still has not come forward, that's fucking cool. This is

(18:40):
my hero. This is awesome.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
No one got hurt, Yeah, no one hurt.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
How much money did you say it was to.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
It was three hundred million yen, which is the equivalent
of over seven million dollars US dollars today.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
My god, back then in the sixties sixty eight would
have been Mick huge.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah. I can't believe it, Mick cue.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I just and the idea that he comes up on
a painted motorcycle. Yeah, and it's just like, oh, you
gotta get out. He's having the conversation with the guys
in the car behind his back. He's lighting the flare,
throws it underneath the car really quickly. Oh my god,
there's a mom under your car. Get out. And the
guys like run to this hill over there, and he's.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Like, I have to be a hero, don't worry, and.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Then just gets in the car and drives off.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
This is great, it is. Where's the movie? There have
been movies made about this? Oh there's been books as well. Okay,
there's Japanese, but they're all in Japanese. Books, written, movies made.
I think there was a TV series. Again, all of
these are Japanese, but you can probably find one with like,
you know, English subtitles.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
I want.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
I wonder if there's a dub for all the all
the deeps.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Who would we cast fucking Who's Who's fucking Christ? They're
both together all the time. We cast them in for
the Stuart Gardner House, for Ben ben Affleck should be Japanese.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
I know, hey make them speak Japanese, the two of them,
but they're still speaking Japanese.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
You know, how movies. You know, I forgot what they
call it, but like make people white in movies that
aren't white whitewashing. Yeah, we'll just do that. Bake a
ben affleck.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
I don't I don't know if we should white watch that,
but I do think it would be funny to just
make them speak Japanese. Yeah, just make them conspicuously the
only white men in the entire movie. Exactly. That's another movie.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
I gotta make you watch Dogma.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
So let's come back in the theaters. They're doing a
special theater event for Dogma because I think the like
fifteen years I can't remember how many years has been
anniversary is happening.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
It's my first way of seeing it. That'd be cool.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
It would be dud slap. Do you have more feelings.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
About I'm really excited I want to see. The thing is,
since you said the guy never got caught, I am
afraid that we're not going to learn anything more about
this guy, and that like that make me sad.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Unless like family members or something come forward eventually.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
It would make me sad. What if this is be D. Cooper,
T B. Cooper, D B.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Cooper.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, but if it's Tevie Cooper, it's.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Not Yeah, they don't look anything alike. And also we
all know that Cooper is Tommy.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Was that no, No, I subscribe to the theory. If
someone sends us an email about who it could be,
I like that one better.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
So last time you mouth did a little bit of
a ref summarization of the events of the heightst.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
My feelings about it. Just the guy sends an alert
to the bank. It was like, give me this money.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Blow up your house.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Blow up your house. It's a specific what was it.
The director of the bank, the manager of the branch
of the manager of the branch of the bank was like,
give me the money. You're also going to blow up
your house. The police were like, we don't want that.
So they staked it out the space where the drop
off was going to be. Nothing happened. No one came
in actually go to the drop off.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
If you're smart, you're a criminal, and you're smart, you
don't actually go to the drop off.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Also, they checked the manager's house. There was no concern
or no issues. And it was the bank holiday or
it was bonuses for Christmas.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
It was December, so they were preparing for the end
of the year bonuses.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
And nothing happened. But then they take these four guys
because it should It wouldn't only been two, but it's
four guys because they're trying to protect this against seven
million US cash worths of yen in the car, because
they wanted to be inconspicuous, which tells me this had
to have been an inside job of some kind that.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
I also you would think, because else would he know.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
I also know that these four guys were carrying the money.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Exactly, and shed that not have been something that they
thought of, like when the cop pulled them over.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
It into we'll get into the investigation a bit.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
But this guy drives up on a motorcycle, pull these
guys aside it. He dresses a cop, his bike is painted,
and it's like the bank just blew up. And also
I suspect there is a BOTMB in your car. The
bank did not blow up. He tricked these guys into
going and hiding behind a hill and then as a
hero took the car, drew off down the road and
the guy stood up and was like, nothing blew up?

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Where did he go?

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:56):
And the perfect crime was.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
It's the perfect crime. No one was injured.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
No one was injured.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
No one was. Yes, the money was insured. So all
of the employees at the Toshiva facility who were that
was their Like I keep saying Christmas, but it's the
end of year bonus. Yeah, all of them still got
their bonuses. And maybe it was a little late, but
but they still got it. Yeah, those four bank employees
did not lose their jobs, thank God. Like yes, felt
there was no like in the immediacy of doing the crime.

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No one was injured and nothing bad happened except mean
they were terrified, they were stressed out. Sure they're probably
traumatized a little bit, uh, and then feel felt really guilty.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
But I'd never feel guilty about losing money.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
The criminal, especially someone else, espone else. The criminal hurt
no one.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Right And when you think about it, if he had
been a police officer, they did what the police officer
told me to do. If the guy had if they
had known, which they didn't, if they had known that
he was a criminal, following what he had to say
in getting out of the way. Also best thing to do.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
You don't know if that dude's got an actual bomb
or not exactly, You don't know nothing.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Just get away from the situation, which is for those
of you who work in I mean, I guess, honestly,
if anything works, you should just follow the advice of
just do the thing as safest for you, which those
guys did. Yea, And there goes seven million cash.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
And yet it's like we've got a bomb thread at
work before.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah we all just did ah but that.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't be don't listen. But money ain't
worth it?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Did I miss anything? There?

Speaker 1 (24:26):
That's about it. That's about that is about the summerization
of what happened, and she so excited. We're getting into
the continuation of this story where we're going to talk
about the immediate fallout and the investigation. And while I'm
going to give you a little bit of a spoiler
from my opinion, at the very least, while I think
that the criminal pulled off a crime in which again

(24:47):
no one was hurt and the financial like failure was
on the bank's you know, bank side, for the money
was insured. None of the people lowering down on the
food chain quote unquote here where injured. I will say
the investigation ruined a lot of lives.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, that I can see. That's a cab.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
That's a cab for is this.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
It'd be interesting if at the end of this you say,
and this is the reason why there's armored trucks that
carry cabs.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
I think that in America we were doing armored trucks before.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, that was that had been already going on for
like Bonnie and Clyde we had.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
I think that this may be a contributing factor into
a change in the Japanese culture of handling this kind
of thing. Interesting, but it wasn't something that like nobody
had ever done before. In the sixties in America they
were using armored cars. It's just a very Japanese thing
where they did. They didn't think that they needed them.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Before because they didn't have the prevalence of guns like
the US has.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Well, yeah, because they have bands on that. Yeah, they're
actually smart, they're smart.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
So the n going with this, where we're going with this,
All of this happens the bank robbers. They're not the
bank robbers, the employees, as mal said, they rise from
the various hiding spaces. They're like, where no explosion happened,
what's up? They go when they see the remains of
a flare, a little signal flare on the floor on

(26:12):
the ground where the car was. They they do realize
they've been duped. They they find the motorcycle and they realized, oh,
this is not a real police motorcycle. Yeah, they're like,
uh oh, we just got got we just got got.
So what they do is all of them panic a
little bit. And then because this is nineteen sixty nine,
none of them have cell phones or sixty eight, I

(26:32):
mean to say, so they walk, they run to the
nearest gas station to call the bank to be like, hi,
this just happened.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
And obviously, because again they'd been told the bank had
been exploded, by then, they'll probably realized.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
It had been They probably were like, uh oh, yeah,
the bank's probably not exploded. And also no, yeah, the
bank had not been exploded. So they and then the
actual cops were called. But the real police recalled the
real pops and they explained the situation. There was a
little bit of a delay in getting somebody to the
scene because there was some confusion about what the hell
just happened, But then there in short order police did

(27:09):
arrive on the scene. The Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department mobilized
some people, and they also set up checkpoints all over
the city. Tokyo's huge. I don't know if you guys
are aware, Toyo is freaking massive.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, so in relevance to a US city, what would
you like compare.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
To I mean, it's fairly I feel like it's comparable
to La in size. It might be bigger. Honestly, Los
Angeles is pretty big. Sounds pretty sad. The Tokyo metropolitan
area is massive.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Okay, that's good for me to know.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, But what happened here with the situation was there
was another they kind of lucked out with how quick
they could respond with the checkpoints in the very least
because there was something else that was happening that required
checkpoints to be put up. So instead of just like
taking those down, they just repurposed those road check points.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
I don't know if this is like a other kind
I think other countries would also do this. Is they
have sober checkpoints because it's the end of the years,
there's like being a party.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
I can't remember exactly the reason why, but yeah, it
probably was a similar thing where they had some checkpoints
already set up, so they just sent out a bulletin
to a bunch of these checkpoints to look for the
Nissan Cedric the car that had been driven away. They're like,
stop that car, this car.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
They had to ditch the car by well, we'll get
into that mouse.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
So the whole city was put under a state of
emergency where everyone's like this this guys are just three
hundred million en He's on the run and cars are
being stopped and searched left and right all over the city.
At the scene of the crime, they found the motorcycle.
They were like, all right, let's check this out, along
with a whole host of physical evidence that had been

(28:44):
left behind. Much of the stuff. What are things that
had been used to just to disguise the motorcycle I
mentioned before, this is a Yamaha motorcycle. The Metropolitan Police
used motorcycles made by Honda, so they were pretty like
the actual cops were able be like, oh, this is
clearly not a police motorcycle. The body is completely a
different shape. But they noted that, like, for instance, there

(29:06):
was a cookie sheet that had been duct taped and
painted white. That's my favorite thing to the motorcycle to
make it look like a document box, like a police
document box. On this motorcycle. There were a bunch of
other just like Maguiver modifications made so that the random
person on the street would look at it and not
assume it wasn't like you would need to be closer
and look at it and be like, hey, wait a second, right,

(29:28):
that's not right.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Of course, the four guys didn't have that opportunity because
they were like.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
They were in a car. They were distracted, stressed, stressed exactly.
So the cops were hoping that these items, these various
items that were used to disguise the motorcycle, but also
other things that had been left behind, like the flare
for instance. They were hoping they could use them to
trace the purchase history of the thief.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Did they not have like a van on the vehicle?

Speaker 1 (29:56):
So the thing was that the motorcycle was stolen.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Oh so gotcha.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
They they did, in fact trace the They found the
owner of the motorcycle, who's like, yeah, that was still
in several weeks ago. Yeah, okay, So it did not
help them if it.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Was stolen several weeks ago. Not only was this planned
a week before.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
This was planned fairly far really yeah interesting. Yeah. So
they also found a hat at the scene that they
believed to have been the thiefs but for some reason,
and this is me just kind of like, dudes, what
for some reason, the detectives at the Metropolitan Police Department
for Tokyo decided to try on the hat. Like all

(30:35):
of them were like trying it on what before they
sent it in for analysis?

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Oh so it's contaminating.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
We're doing that on purpose. I don't know, but all
of them tried. In the article, it's like they made
the mistake of trying on the hat. And I'm like,
what do you mean the mistake? Is this like a
temptation that they all had to fight against and they
just failed.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
The wheelchair al I'm was staring at it and look
at each other like we got to put this on.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
We gotta try this hat, we gotta put that What's
what's the term for, uh like compulsion to do something
that you shouldn't do, Like the the interesting put on
that hat. Yeah, thoughts the entire police department.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
It was just like a hunting hat, they said, which
I'm imagining it's one of those ones that goes over
your ears.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Okay, hold on now is now maws like, well, hold on,
maybe I need to try this hat. Hold on, I
might also want to try that So the point.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Being that the hat was contaminated and it did not
provide them any information, damn it. So the hat was
useless as far as evidence goes.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
How good was DNA evidence back then?

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Like, they didn't really have DNA evidence. So this is
the thing I'll talk about. I'm not in depth, but
I can talk about it right now. Actually, because this
was nineteen sixty eight. Yeah, DNA evidence didn't start being
used widely until the nineteen eighties. So even though like
we were testing various ways of isolating DNA and recognizing it,
this was not something that the police were putting into

(32:04):
practice at this time. They did have a way of
doing blood type testing from DNA. Okay, so if they
had a sample of like sweat, that's what they were
hoping for with the hat. They would hoping they get
a sweat sample from the hat, I could think of,
but or hair follicles, or if they could get like
a slide a swab or some form of DNA, they
could do a blood type test, which would be a

(32:26):
little help you really narrow down exactly. You can narrow
down the pool of suspects, but you could not specifically
isolate from a specific person.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
And I mean later, if they'd had a suspect who
wasn't there a blood type they could have been at
that point been like, well, it's obviously on him. We
need to waste our time.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Correct the permis So yeah, if the hat was useless
for that unfortunately, I love that.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
So while searching the cars at various checkpoints and gathering
evidence from the first crime scene, other officers were searching
for the car itself. They were like out and about
looking around pursuing the vehicle, and they actually found it.
They tracked on the car, the Nissan Cedric had been ditched.
When did they find it. It was like it was

(33:06):
within the same day. It was like a couple of
hours later. Like so there were checkpoints set up to
stop cars were still going. There were cops at the
scene where the robbery happened, and then there were other
cops who were actively going around looking for this car.
And they spotted the car that had been ditched near
a historic part of town, not far away from the
scene of the crime.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
So he probably had a backup vehicle ready.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Correct, it was covered. The vehicle originally had not drawn
suspicion because the Nissan Center had been covered with a
protective tarp like weather covering for cars, so it had
been pulled into this lot, covered the tarp so that
no one noticed it immediately recognized what it was. But
then the cops did realize, Hey, we think that's the
car tarp tarp, and they asked around. Neither the thief

(33:50):
nor the money were there, obviously.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Sitting on the on the hood. I got you.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
He was having just a little like qu stop for lunch.
And then they're like, oh no, so neither of them
were there, But they asked around, and the locals in
the area had said that a different vehicle had been
in that spot that morning, so there had been a
car that was there but which had alwys been covered
by a protective car tarp. But that was a blue Corolla,

(34:18):
and then it was later in the day replaced with
a black nis On Cedric bless you, bless you mid now.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
So that way, if anyone had come by and be like, oh,
I already knew in my mind there was a car
under a tarp. Yeah, I'm not considering it.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I'm not really noticing that it's a different car under
a tarp. Yeah, if you're looking really close you don't
really care.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Taking advantage of the people's mindset, especially because we all
know the hat was a trap hat.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
That hat was an obvious trap.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
No one could have resisted putting on that hat, certainly
not me.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
The second I was like, I think it out of
ear flaps. You have wait a whole lot. Yeah, I
understand that. I understand. It's like when you're giving tongs
and you have to click them together. Yeah, you have
to check them every time you got I'm a crab.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Absolutely, So they believe that a cardman sat there in advance,
and that the thief had swapped vehicles at this lot
all of their checkpoints. Now they realized, wait a second,
it's been several hours and all of our checkpoints are
looking for a black niece on Cedric. But the thief
isn't a blue Corolla now yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
So by now he could have gone through a checkpoint,
said hello to somebody and we're like hello, officer, and.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Just drove is just dropped gone. So now they're like, okay, checkpoints,
please look for a blue Corolla, but also like he
could be anywhere.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, honestly.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, So the police switch tactics and they started basically
expecting every car because they're like, we don't know if
you swapped cars again, Yeah, this.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Should have been your tactic in the first place.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
So, but the problem is it's the Tokyo metropolitan area.
It's huge and there are a lot of cars. Yeah,
so the I don't want to be stuck in the
checkpoint lines. The traffic that was caused because of this,
because they were stopping and searching every vehicle. It was
horrendous and what a way to get the public not

(36:13):
on your side. And by the end of the day
it got so bad they just had to give up.
It was unsustainable. They couldn't keep doing this, so they
were just like, all right, stop the checkpoints.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Because sorry, I shouldn't be rooting against the police, but
I am.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
So they by the end of the day they stopped
the checkpoints and they focused on inspecting the evidence that
they had, which was the car that had been stolen
and Eissan Cedric, the motorcycle that had been modified, and
any of the physical evidence that had been left behind. So,
like I said previously, there was like a whole lot
of that physical evidence, not only the first crime scene,

(36:48):
which is technically so they called that the scene of
the crime where the robbery happened is the first crime scene.
There are a total of four. Okay, we'll get into this.
That's the first one. Is one of them, like the.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Purpoted drop off area that never came to be.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
No, that's actually not considered a crime scene. So the
second crime scene is the place where they found the
car dump So that's the swapped car. And at first
the police were optimistic that they could use all of
this physical evidence to track the thief down. As I said, however,
they clearly discovered that all of the items were like
really easily gotten, like things that you could really easily

(37:26):
get a hold of. They were mass produce items that
were sold at really common retailers, and there are a
lot of them that had been made. So it wasn't
narrowing down their.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Suspect pool at all.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, okay, what was even the motorcycle, Like I said itself,
motorcycle had been stolen and it was a really common Yeah,
it was a really common brain of motorcycle. It had
been stolen. They could not trace that back to the
thief there had been, which was interesting. Some pieces of
newspaper that were used in the motorcycle modification, Like there

(37:57):
were some arts and craft stuff happening with this motorcycle modification.
They like stuffed shredded newspaper into a certain part of
it to like help keep things in place. I'm from
my understanding, uh huh. And they thought that they could
maybe you like, if they found out where the newspaper
was from, Shah could possibly be identifying. But it turned
out and they poured through thousands of newspapers to find

(38:21):
the specific one. There's like a specific thing that newspapers do.
There's like a feature of the printing and like the
way the paper is made that is unique to each newspaper.
And so they were using that to try and track
down which newspaper it was and what day it had
been printed, and where those newspapers had been sold. And

(38:41):
this took ages, and they found out when they located
it that it was a local Tokyo paper that anyone
could have gotten their hands on. Like it wasn't helpful.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Can you imagine if the police, and this is like
just in general the entire world. Can you imagine if
the police use these resources for crimes that are actually
hurting people?

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Could you imagine? Could you imagine instead of trying to
find him bank money.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Remember when Eric Adams did that whole purplek with Luigi
Mangioni and all of us are like, even if he
was the killer, he is not. He's not a threat
to any of us. Yeah, like fuck you.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
So not long after the crime, the police were directed
to an empty lot. In my notes, I wrote empty
log But it's an empty lot. It's an empty lot
near a high school that was in the area where
a different car, a green Corolla, had been found. So
what was suspicious about this why they had been directed
to this was that one of the doors was partially

(39:39):
open on this car and the windshield wiper was still
running even though it appeared to be abandoned.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
So this car was just sitting in this empty lot
with one of the doors partially jar and the windshield
still going. If you remember I said it was raining
that morning.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Interesting, so potentially having either just left the car or
nobody gave a shit care.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah. So the reason why the police were called it
was not related to the crime at all. They were
just like, hey, it looks like this car has been abandoned,
but the engine still going. Cops, can you go check
that out? So they go because that.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Could yeah, that could be several different things.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah, this was this didn't originally think I I don't
believe they originally thought this was related, except maybe someone
said it was a Corolla and the cops were like, hmm,
maybe maybe because it was green not blue, but you
know those are similar colors.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
People are colored blind now Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah. So a neighbor who had lived near the lot,
when they asked around about it, reported that the morning
of the crime, they'd actually she had seen a motorcycle
sitting in that lot that had been covered by a tarp.
So and then and what was really interesting, the reason
why she remembered that, the reason why she remembered the
motorcycle was because she remembered that the engine of the

(40:51):
motorcycle had been running even though it was parked and
there was a tarp over it. So the engine of
the motorcycle. Somebody had set up this motorcycle here, turned
it on, covered it with a tarp, and left it there.
But then it was gone later and a Krolla was
there instead.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
W So what they changed vehicles several times?

Speaker 1 (41:12):
He did?

Speaker 2 (41:13):
So why it running?

Speaker 1 (41:15):
You wouldn't have to you just to start it you
just go, You just go. Because what the police believe happened,
now okay, was that they formed this theory that the
green Corolla had been used to follow the cash car. Initially,
that the perp had followed the car, tracked it to
figure out where it was going in this green Corolla,
and then until they knew where they were going and

(41:37):
they were ready to intercept them, pulled into this lot,
quickly hopped onto the motorcycle in cop GARB, and then
rushed over to pull them over. Because if they'd been
following them in advance as a motorcycle cop, the drivers
of the car would have noticed.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
So okay, hold on, Yes, in the morning, the green
car rolla, Yes, wasn't a different lot, so is the motorcycle.
But the day begins, he gets the green Corolla.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, from lot from wherever?

Speaker 2 (42:08):
From well, no, because they said that there was they
had seen a different car. They're under a tarp before.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
They've seen the motorcycle under the car under the type
of I'm talking about the other lot, the other lot.
So that's okay. So car one is the green Corolla. Yeah,
that could have started anywhere, That could have started the
guy's house. We don't know that, drives to the bank
stakes the bank out waits for the cash car, follows
the cash car to figure out where the cash car
is going. Okay, goes to the scene. The second third,
this is the third crime scene. This is crime scene three.

(42:36):
Stops there, hops on the motorcycle, takes the motorcycle, intercept
the cash car understood, tells them bomb get out, abandons
the motorcycles, the whole thing, gets in. The cash car
drives to see in this one crime scene two crime
scene two, where there's the other Corolla already waiting, drops

(42:56):
the cash car gets in. The different Corolla leaves.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
So there's two Corolla.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
There's two Corollas. There's a blue Corolla, there's the green Corolla.
Oh my god, there's two Corollas. And there's two cars
and a motorcycle.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Oh my god, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Yeah, the vehicles.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
I'm here now.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
You would leave it running because all those cars are
stolen anyway, so if someone else ends up stealing the car,
it's not really any skin off your earbones.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
And the vehicle that the green Corolla Corolla too. In
this case, technically they called it the first Corolla because
chronologically it's the first Corolla, Yeah, but it was discovered later.
So the green Corolla was left running with the with
the engine on and the windshell wiper running. Because the
criminal swapped from that car to the motorcycle without shutting

(43:40):
the car off because you need to do it so quick.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
He just abandoned. He didn't even close.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
The door all the way. He just got out, immediately
jumped on the motorcycle which was already running, and left.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
So he just threw the tarp off in this way.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
What's interesting is that after the fact they discovered that
the white motorcycle, the one that had been modified, was
dragging the top the weather tarp behind it because the
guy ripped the weather tarp off of the of the motorcycle,
but it got caught on the back of the motorcycle
and he didn't stop to remove it. He just kept going,
so it was dragging the weather tarp behind it, and

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the people who were in the bank car didn't notice
because he drove up from behind them and then pulled
them over. He didn't see it.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
It was that fast.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
He was that fast. He did not stop. He just
was like, I'm out of this car. I'm not even
turning it off. I'm getting in the motorcycle, motorcycles already running.
I'm going gone. I'm not even worrying that I'm dragging
this tart behind me, which is actually a very dangerous
thing because it could have gotten caught in the wheel
and that would have been a problem. That that didn't happen,
and he and nobody noticed this. But people did on

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the street notice the motorcycle dragging it because that's weird.
So they were like, oh, that car, that motorcycle dragging
a tarp. Huh. But nobody stopped my business exactly. Nobody
stopped it because that's weird, but not like suspicious.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
So much preparation, I guess with three undred million, yet,
I guess yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
So so they found this green Corolla and they're like,
oh my god, another clue. This is another bit of
physical evidence. Maybe there's something in this car that we
can use.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
No, yeah, I was stolen, I'm sure ye.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
No, Well, so I.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Guess the only victims in this crime are the people
who got their vehicles stolen.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
That's that too.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
They did get their car stolen, but they got them back, you.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Know, the cops kept no, they some of them did
get their things back. But a lot of the cars
that were stolen for this and I'll go into there
were more cars Like I'll go into this that some
of them had their windows broken and as part of
them getting stolen, So like you get your car back,
but the windows broke Oka, that sucks. At the scene,
they also found a raincoat because again it was raining
that morning. Sure they found a raincoat at the scene

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where the green Corolla was. But the thing is again,
much like the hat, they did try it, tried the
coat on. I was about as they didn't try the
coat on, but there for whatever reason, didn't think that
that was in important, Like they didn't. They picked up
the coat, but none of them were like this is
a key piece of evidence. They was like, yeah, coat
and they just said it for three years, it sat

(46:09):
in a box uninspected. Amazing, I mean, like it didn't
give them any information. They looked at it later and
there was nothing that they could get from it. But
also it had been three years, so maybe there had
been something at the time that was gone had degraded
three by over three years. Like it's one of those
things where it's like there was just these little bits

(46:30):
of incompetence.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, I mean we had that a lot here on
the podcast.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Yeah, especially when it comes to police.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
So now there's the fourth crime scene.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
But usually it's usually a police incompetence hurts the little man,
and in this place it does not.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
No, well we'll get into this, okay. So first crime
scene is where the robbery happened. Second crime scene is
where the cash car was dumped. Third crime scene is
where the motorcycle had been originally where the green Corolla
was dumped. Fourth crime scene. Fourth crime scene is not
found until four months later. Damn. So there's some stuff

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that happens in the meantime.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
And again, as you said, he got away with it.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
He got away. They in this meantime they're searching. They
have not found a solid suspect. Stuff happens in those
four months, and I will go back and talk about that,
but right now I'm going to talk about the crime scenes.
So the fourth crime scene was the lot of an
apartment complex where the blue Corolla that the one the
criminal had swapped into from the cash car was found.

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They located the getaway vehicle, the blue Corolla, and despite
not having any information about that vehicle, they didn't have
the you know, the license point number. They didn't have nothing.
They knew it was the right car because inside of
it were three empty cash cases from the bank. From
the bank.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
They took them out and just left the case.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
He left the cases, He took the money out, abandoned
the cases and the car in the lot and the
part in the parking lot of this apartment complex.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
They didn't care if the car got found.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Because here's the thing. It's a parking lot. Cars are
supposed to be there. Yeah, so nobody expects the cars
because the cars are meant to be there, and it's
in a parking it's an apartment complex. The lot's usually
really full, and it's not weird to see a car
sitting there for a long period of time. You don't
know your neighbor's cars, but also like cars, Yeah, of
course that car has been there. Somebody lives here, lives here.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah, yeah, so how did they find it?

Speaker 1 (48:28):
So they what happened was that I think it was
that I had been sitting there for a suspiciously long
period of time, unmoving, and they probably reported that.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
I mean, I'm thinking of where we live here. It's
like it would collect dust it would have cob webs,
it would have leaves.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
On it, and then you start asking around like don't.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Talk about my car like that.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Then like they started asking on like whose car is that?
And then you find out it's no one's car, like
no one in the apartment complex owns that car. And
then you call the cops and be like I think
this needs to be towed or whatever. And they come
and they find four empty cash cases in the car.
They're like, how long has this car been here? Months? Well,
three empty cases, I should say, yeah, So it was

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just sitting in plain sight that whole time, and it
wasn't suspicious. But here's the thing, there was a lot
of stolen vehicles in that lot. They realized they started
checking all of the cars and that lot turns out
there were a lot of stolen cars in that lot.
I don't get an exact number. I think there were
at least three other stolen cars were in that apartment

(49:25):
complex lot. And they were like, somebody prepared with a
lot of vehicles for this. And there was also a
different stolen motorcycle that was in that lot, which was
a white Honda the kind, the make and model that
they would have used as an actual police vehicle. So
the police believe that was the original planned vehicle for

(49:46):
the motorcycle, the fake cop motorcycle.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
The issue is that that Honda that had been stolen,
that Honda motorcycle had an engine default, an engine defect,
I mean to say, so it made like this weird
noise when you drove it, and it like it would
sometimes like turn off.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Oh have that.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
So they thought that the thieves stole this motorcycle and
then did a test drive of it, found out that
it had this problem, and then couldn't use it. So
they found the Yamaha and so that motorcycle was also
sitting in this apartment complex they did. Yeah, they're not
going to put it back.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah, it's oh sorry, you could have a bag.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Yeah no, there's like all right, just put it in
dump it in the lot with all the other cars
they stole.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
What we're saying, what we're suspecting is a thief stole
all of those cars, Yes, and was using that lot.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
From the way you're talking about it, you're also saying
like it's not just one dude.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Possibly not. This made the people suspect because also in
one of the stolen cars. They found a pair of
women's earrings, and the owner of that vehicle said, I
don't recognize those earrings. I don't know who those earrings
belonged to.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
So finally, finally some evidence. Did the cops put them on?

Speaker 1 (50:56):
They might have, they might have clipped them on just
the scene.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Yeah. Yeah, guy accidentally gets caught in his affair.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Oh that's true, and it's like, I don't recognize those earrings, sweating. Yeah,
his wife is right there. He's like, no, I don't
know who those are.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
They must be the thieves.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
So they suspected then that this was possibly not just
a single clever thie. If this is possibly multiple thieves
as part of like a network.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
That's what I'm suspecting now, because the concept of the
lot being used for multiple cars. I get what y'all said,
and I agree, you don't know your neighbor's cars cars
as much. We have there for a long period of time, yea.
But the fact that they all have come in have
been parked at different times.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
The people who lived there were like, he's my neighbor
and just suspected that it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Depending on how big the complex is, Yeah, you might
not recognize it too.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Yeah, because like here's the thing. Before we lived here,
really did in two apartment complexes, and I'm thinking, like
the last place we lived there was a couple of
cars that we did recognize. That was because they were unusual. Yeah,
there was one someone worked for liquid and they had
a Liquid death fan.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
You're always gonna notice that one. You're alway gonna see
the Liquid death fan.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
And that our next door neighbor had like a really
nice car that we also recognized. Yeah, we recognize that car.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
So you know, you make a good point. This was
the perfect location.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Yeah, because then out sego, I could not tell you
what any of our neighbor's cars look like.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yeah, and I've lived in rather large apartment complexes where
sometimes like I would see people in the building and
I would never seen them before. They could have been new,
they could just live in a part of the building
that was on the other side from me, and I
could be cross paths with them. They could be guessed, it.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Could have been the criminal.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
It could have been the criminal. You just don't know.
You don't know people in a big apartment complex necessarily
you don't know everyone. Yeah, Okay, so it was like
you said, it was a really good place to drop
this stuff because none of it was out of the ordinary.
No one suspects like, Okay, it's just a guy parking
a car. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Yeah, no one ever is like what if it's a criminal?

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Like, no, for a person, just like parking a car
in a parking lot.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Yeah, he's parking that car suspiciously, weirdly, look at his
corollas he needs to pull up.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
More So, with these four crime scenes, there was so
much physical evidence and absolutely none of it was useful. Yeah,
there was no DNA testing in a meaningful way at
this time. Like I said, they were able to do
some blood type testing, but it wasn't because of again,
they all tried on the hat, so the hat was compromised. Yeah,
but they did have another potential source of DNA. And

(53:25):
I want you because I have mentioned it in this
story both last episode and this episode. I haven't mentioned
it in this episode, but I mentioned it last episode.
What could be a possible source of DNA? Is it
the flair?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
W Is it the letter?

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Yes, it's the envelope because they're suspecting the criminal lick
to the envelope to seal it.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
That you don't have to lick anisde You don't have to.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
But they were able to check and see and they
were able to reveal that someone had licked the envelope
and that person had type B blood.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Okay, my guy, you were so much meticulous. Yeah, in
all of this and you're fucked up by licking the envelope.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Well, I mean, he got away with it.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
But listen, here's the thing again. All that reveals is, Okay,
the person is type B blood, sure, but also did
the criminal look the envelope? You don't know that that's true.
Maybe got somebody else look the envelope. Maybe they death
noted it.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Maybe that's the thing in death.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
No, he got somebody else lick Maybe? Who's to say?

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Yeah, can you wait, if you got a dog to
lick it, wouldn't it come up even if you're trying
to just type this dog, Yeah, I would come up
with possibly.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
That's something to ask, Hey, listeners or any of you
like freaking we have forensic pathologists or whatever, do we
have some vets?

Speaker 3 (54:39):
I feel like they could also answer, can you if
you're just doing a blood type test?

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Does it do you know, if it's human or not,
does it come up as dog? Shuh?

Speaker 2 (54:46):
I do want to know.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
But so, yeah, they were able to figure out that
the saliva whoever licked the envelope was type They had
Type B blood, and they're like, Okay, so if we're
assuming that the person who sent the envelope and the
person who did the crime is the same person, because
maybe it's not, but who's nos If we're assuming this
that person is TYPEY blood? Is TYPEI blood common? Yes, okay, yes,

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I don't think it's the most common, but it is
very common. I have Oh and.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
That's not common at all, Rip you kid? Wait really,
I know we're a universal donor. I thought it was common.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
No. Oh and it's also it sucks because you're a
universal donor but not a universal receiver. Fuck yeah, rip
you kid, because yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Think I am. I think I don't know who my
blood type is.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
I probably should Yeah, I probably should know that.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
I think what's even worse is I think I'm like,
oh negative or whatever, like.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Oh yeah, you kid, excuse us. You can never get
anyone's blood. So the the suspect pool from all the
items that they had was just too big. Like I said,
they could not narrow down from anything anything about anybody.
So they started also to suspect that the thief had
purposefully left some misleading evidence just to screw with them,

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like the women's earrings for instance.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Yeah, I mean I could see that.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
What if this is a red herring. What if the
hat was a trap? What if any of this was
a trap and we know that, what if all of
this is just excess evidence that's being left to throw
us off the scent.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
I'd do that.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
I would too, I mean, end game. However, they didn't
just have physical evidence to go on. They had four
eyewitnesses who had just seen the perpetrator, all right. So
the day of the incident, the police interviewed the four
men that had been in the car to get details
about the thief, and they were the only ones who
had seen the man sort of clearly one of them

(56:38):
certainly did. The driver of the vehicle certainly. Day the
issue is like, there were two dudes who in the
backseat who didn't get a great view of the guy.
And also, when you're in a state of panic, your
brain isn't really focusing on the facial details of a
police officer.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Those memories get jumped.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Those memories all get jumped.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Listen, and maybe this is like an americanism and shining through.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
But wouldn't you be wearing a helmet?

Speaker 3 (56:59):
So he was wearing a hell yeah, So then it's
like you really can't shit.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
It didn't cover the full face because the type of
helmets they wore were just like the ones over the
top of your head. Oh okay, so there wasn't a
face shield.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Oh okay.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
So they were able to see the man's face. But
again their memories were all jumbled. And also again the
way that they did this, they real bunkled it up.
So they got these four dudes, they did not interrogate
them at the police office. They set up a conference
room at the bank and they went in and they
interviewed all four of these dudes together and asked them

(57:31):
what does this person look like? And none of them
could give a consistent explanation of what this man looked like.
None of them could give a consistent like description of
the dude. But they kept trying to provide information. They
were like unhelpfully helpful. So here's the thing is, people

(57:53):
suspect that the four guys felt really guilty about being duped,
like they felt bad for I.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Don't even think it's guilty. I think it could honestly
be just like embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
I mean that too, But also like they are the
reason that this money was sotle in, so it's just
believed that they felt really bad about being caught up
in this and falling for the grift, and so they
were trying really hard to be helpful to the police
in a way where like, even though they didn't have information,

(58:25):
they kept trying to give information. And if you don't
have a clear memory of something, but you get a story,
somebody's like, did he have dark hair? I think, yeah,
I think he had dark hair. Even though you don't
really remember, you're just trying to be helpful, but you're
in fact being not helpful. Like I've done that. I
think we've all done that, you know. So normally what

(58:47):
the police would do in these sort of incidents was
they would create an approximation of the suspect's face based
on the eyewen his testimony. So we're used to that
with like witness sketches, where there's like a here's a
sketch of the perpetrator face. There's a word for that,
but I don't remember what it is. There's like a phrase.
Instead of creating a sketch, though, what the police in
Tokyo did was they created a montage photo.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Okay, so what this is.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
It's sort of similar to a sketch. I think there's
places in America that do this too, where instead of
somebody like drawing an image, they take different photos of
different facial features and they use them kind of like
to piece together a face. Okay. Interesting, So they have
just like, here's a bunch of types of noses. What
is the closest to the criminal's nose? And they take
that picture and they put that out and they're like,

(59:33):
where does that go on the face? The eyes? Where
should the eyes be?

Speaker 3 (59:37):
You know what I'm realizing right now?

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (59:39):
How long until you think the cops are going to
be like, we're using AI to create police sketches?

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Oh god?

Speaker 3 (59:46):
And then how much longer after that until they realize
this is marketing?

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Yeah? I don't know. That could already be happening for
all we know. So that's the normal way that they
do these Manta photos is they have the witness pick
out features from a variety of different options. And they
use those to kind of like freaking what's I'm looking
for not macromat.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Like an amalgamation. Amalgamation?

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Yeah, it's what's the thing where you use it? Now,
I must say it could work, but it's kind of
like when you use a bunch of different pieces of
paper and get them together, decupage, you decupage of face,
you scrap book a face.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Anyway, It's like I'm thinking of both uh weird science
and Flobber where they're making like a human version.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Yeah, and that's how they do it. They just chuck
stuff together. So that didn't happen in this investigation. That
method of creating recreating a suspects face was not used.
What actually happened is so much worse and very messed up.
Oh no, And I'm going to give a little trigger

(01:00:53):
warning here for mention of suicide, and I will explain
how that's relevant. I'm not going to go into great depth,
even though that is its own thing, but I don't
we don't have time for that today. And also it's
a bummer, so we're gonna not. But I'm just gonna
let you know that gets mentioned so pretty early on
the investigation, like very early, like the first couple of days,

(01:01:14):
the police actually had a suspect that they liked for
the thief.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
So there was a group of kids that had made
a gang that was called the Tachikawa Gang and the
Tachikaya Group. And this was like teenagers, like you know,
fifteen through twenty ish kids who regularly stole cars in
the area.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
And the leader of this group, I don't know if
he was actually the leader, but who said that this
kid was leading the group. He was a nineteen year
old boy who was called boy S for anus anonymity's sake.
He's referred to as boy S in all the documentation.
And boy S's father also happened to be a motorcycle cop. Okay,

(01:01:56):
So the police think, we know this kid steals cars.
We know that his dad's a motorcycle cop. He knows
how to ride motorcycles, he knows how to imitate a
motorcycle cops, he has a history of stealing cars. This
guy would could be the criminal.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Sure, it's but you don't have any evidence to link that.
It's just a thought.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
There was apparently there was some other like really circumstantial
evidence where like apparently there like there was other members
of the gang who had held up a grocery store
and had used a flare pretending it was a bomb
in that robbery, and so it was like dunk kids.
But it's like it's a similar method to what the
criminal in this case used. Sure, So it's this thing

(01:02:39):
where they're speculating a lot of motivation and they're speculating
a lot of means an opportunity for this person, but
they don't know for sure, but he's a suspect. So
what they do is they start staking out this kid's
house and he had actually been in Juvie for a
while at the time of the crime. Was missing because

(01:03:00):
he had escaped from transport from Juvi, this kid, and
they suspected, however, that he had gone home to his
parents' house. They suspected that this kid had gone home.
He'd run away from Juvi, but he had returned to
his home. And the reason they suspected this was because
neighbors had reported that from the bedroom the boys room

(01:03:23):
when he was not in Juvie, like loud music was
playing when it hadn't been before. So we think the
kid is home. So the police started staking out his
family home and they were not supposed to engage. They
were just supposed to watch, but something had gotten lost
in communication. On the fifteenth of November, this is five
days after the crime. On the fifteenth of November, one

(01:03:46):
of the officers went up to the door and just
asked to see the kid. They were not supposed to
be engaging with the family, but this guy did anyway
for some reason. And when the mother answered the door,
she answered the door. This may be a translation issue
because the phrase, according to what translation I put it in,

(01:04:06):
it came out as different things. When they asked, she
either claimed that her son was not home or that
she didn't have a son. And I think it's the
first one. I think she just said my son's not home.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Or it's dramatic, I don't have a son, and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Then she slams the door. Yeah, it's hard to say.
But the more reputable translation services and I checked with
like four of them because I really wanted to make
sure that I was getting things correctly with the details here,
and most said that she just claimed he wasn't home. Yeah,
that makes sense. However, later that night, when the father
came home, the officers staked out outside heard a very

(01:04:44):
loud argument happening from inside, and they believe it was
two male voices. So they think that the father came
home and then got into.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
An argument with his son because the mother was like,
the police were asking for.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
You, possibly, yeah, and also you ran away from juvie. Yeah. Yeah.
So unfortunately, very tragically that evening Boys killed himself. And
this is the mention of suicide. So the situation around
Boys's death is incredibly shady and suspicious, and I unfortunately
could not find a lot of sources that went into it.

(01:05:17):
A lot of it is kind of hearsay, a lot
of it is speculation, a lot of it is things
that are mentioned but not really gone into great depth
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Have anything to do with the particularly high percentage of
cops who are also domestic abusers that could be part
of it, Chelsea.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
So it was just buried, is what I'm hearing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
It's it's kind of there's also a I mean, not
only in Japan, but in the US as well and
in several places, discussion of suicide is a shameful thing.
Of the suicide of a family member is a shameful thing. Yeah,
And it's not something that people want to talk about
and so there is a kind of environment of silence
around mental health and around suicidality.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
So there's like a particularly strong stigma in Japan, isn't there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
With it's getting better, I don't know how it was
in nineteen sixty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Probably not great. I mean, it wasn't great in the
US either.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
No freaking horrible in the US. Also just the discussion
of mental health in the US. But yeah, so this
was a situation where this boy, this nineteen year old kid,
did take his life, possibly because there's also suspicion that
he may have been coerced or forced. But again I'm
not going to go super into it because I just

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don't know. I don't have enough information to comfortably talk
about that. And also it's a huge bomber.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Yeah, which does not really get better because sort of
at this point not relevant, not relevant.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
But so what's super messed up about this situation. Why
I mentioned the frickin montage photo situation before this story
is that what I almost didn't believe. And this is
another reason I had to get four freaking translation services
because I was like, surely I am reading this wrong. Surely
they did not do this. What happened is the investigators
got the four bank employees and they brought them to

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boy else's boys' house on the day of his wait,
and they had the employees pretend to be detectives so
they could come in to the house at the wake,
pretending to be talking to the family for the investigation,
so they could see photos of boys or possibly I
don't know if Boys's body was there at the wake.

(01:07:26):
I don't believe so. I think it was just photos,
but so that they could look at him and they
could ask, do you guys think that that was the guy?
That's holy shit? They brought the bank employees into this
boy's house during his wake. Why did they to try
and get them to identify him as the criminal.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
They may have agreed because they were either a course
or be guilty exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Think it was the embarrassment and guilty yeah, yeah, yeah,
And all of them were just kind of like, maybe
he could have been he kind of looks like him. Yeah,
he could have been bank employees man at this kid's wake. Yeah,
those bank employees should have been like, I'm not doing this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
So instead of just creating the montage photo, what the
police did was that they found a guy who looked
a lot like boys who looked incredibly like boys, and
they used his photo as the suspect image. They're instead
of creating a montage photo as normally they would do,

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they just found a boys look alike and they said
to nationwide sources, this is what the criminal look like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Oh damn. And so that family has like the shame
of the suicide already.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Oh yeah, but now there's an entirely different family.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Who who was like, that's my face.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Well, over the course of several years, this image caused
so many problems because there were so many false identifications
of that picture. Because the thing is, it's meant to
be just like the perpetrator kind of looks like this,
but it's not supposed to be like, you know, a
specific person. Yeah, but the thing is the face. There's
there's numerous people who kind of have similar appearances. Every

(01:09:02):
I cannot tell you how many people I've met who's like, oh,
I know someone who looks just like you. Yeah, Like,
if my face was used as a suspect image, there
would probably be a lot of false identifications, apparently, and
over the next several years this would become such a
problem that the police had to make a statement, stop
using this image, stop looking for someone who looks like this,
because A the guy that they had fingered as a

(01:09:25):
suspect was dead, and B everybody was just like, oh,
I know somebody who looks like that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Yeah, I like not like you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Uh. The one thing that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Could really bring the proletariat across the world together is man,
fuck the police.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Yeah, so I legitimately don't know why they did this,
because it's like you even if that you think that
Boys did it, he is now dead. Matter, he's not
on the run anymore. Yeah, yeah, why did you specifically
try and find a picture that looks just like him?
You know where he is. You're not looking for him

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anymore unless it's to get people to say they saw him.
I guess. Yeah, I don't know. But the what's really
sucks about this is that later they cleared him. They
later declared that Boys was innocent, He had the wrong
blood type, and there's no evidence at all that he
was involved in the robbery. Like, yes, he was apparently

(01:10:25):
involved in this gang that still cars. Yes, he had
been in juvie, he ran away from juvie, and he
was like not accounted for during that time, but there
was no evidence saying that he was there. There was
no evince saying he was involved in this at all. Yeah,
so to this day, people still suspect boys even though
again there's no way of he was cleared after the

(01:10:46):
fact and he is now dead, so we can't can't
solve that. So I honestly, like I said, could go
on about the situation around boys to death because it
fucked up. It's messed up. There was another thing. He
also may have been in a relationship with an older
man who might have been involved in the crime. But ultimately,

(01:11:08):
again there was no evidence found that related him or
this other man to the robbery. There's a little bit
of funniness with that because this guy, this older man,
was like twenty six, so that's kind of a weird
age gab nineteen and twenty six. But whatever, Yeah, just
oh this dude, not like yeah, it's sus anyway, there's

(01:11:28):
there's this dude. So he left the country, he started
a gay bar, and then he moved back to Japan gay.
When he moved back to Japan, he was like very wealthy,
and so the police are like, why is he so wealthy?
Where'd you get that money from, and they were possibly
the gay bar. They're really suspicious of him. And he
just said, I have a wealthy foreign patron. And I'm like,

(01:11:49):
that man's a sugar baby. That man's a gay sugar
baby with his gay bar. Good for you, dude, good
for you, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Relationship nineteen year old.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Yeah, that cut that out anyway, both of you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
To wear a white skirt with my black cat, I
also a black cat.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
You think you think I care? You think that I
live like this without knowledge. There was another suspect that
emerging years late, emerged years later identified because that he
looked like the quote unquote montage photo. This is another
instant of a montage photo. No, no, it was the
it was the boy as look alike. That's why I

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said quote montage photos because it wasn't one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Which I'm very confident probably looked nothing like the actual suspect.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
We don't know. We got no idea. You know why
we didn't, but how.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Much the guys were like, oh, I want to help,
or probably the cops like do you think he had
brown hair? And yeah, probably didn't look like the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Probably also a bunch of leading questions. Yeah, that's very
much the situation. I think there was probably police contamination
with that in with that interview. So this dude was
identified because he looked like the quote unquote montage photo.
He looked like boy ass basically. And he also used
to be a taxi driver, so obviously he knew his
way around cars. He knew his way around a taxi. Okay,

(01:13:08):
I'm just saying that's the reasoning. There were some other
superficial reasons that he was suspected, such as like he
apparently had money trouble at the time, so people were like,
so obviously he would want to steal money because he
was having Yeah. Also, I remember I was talking about like, yeah,
the whole economic miracle where the working class were finding
more disparity between them and yeah, all that. So anyway,

(01:13:30):
the police arrest this dude under suspicion of him being
the thief. And by this point, this was in I
believe nineteen seventy one, so this was like years later.
At this point, the theft is famous because it's been
going on. It was a lot of money and they
have not found the guy. So when the police are like, oh,
we've arrested somebody under suspicion of being the three hundred

(01:13:52):
million yen thief. Everybody jumps on this, newspapers and media.
I would start reporting this dude's full address, his full
government name, where he works, everything about him. They freaking
docks this man to the nation saying like, this is
the suspect, this is everything about him. We think that
he's the thief. And the thing was, at the time

(01:14:16):
they investigated, at the time of the robbery, this man
was taking a proctered exam for a job interview, so
he had to check in to an exam where he
was sat and monitored while taking it. He had a
rock solid alibi for the time of the heist. He

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was in no way related to it, and he was released.
But it did podcast his fucking name and exactly as
a suspect, so it didn't matter that he'd been gotten
qued by the police. The dude was harassed by the
media and face public scrutiny for years because of this.
He was given no peace about the situation, and he
actually also ended up taking his own life in twenty

(01:15:00):
two thousand and eight years decades later. So that's another
life ruined by this investigation. By the poor handling of
this investigator.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Here's the thing when I say victimless crime and like
the crime itself, well, the thing is that's the crime itself. Yeah,
the crime itself like and even that's little issue wash
because stolen cars.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
There's a lot of stolen cars and that sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Yeah, But like, the real victims in this are from
the police investigation.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Yeah, there were a lot of other suspects that were investigated.
None of them ever came to anything ultimately, because the
police bungled this case so badly. They mishandled evidence, they
were not on top of stuff, They pointed fingers at
various suspects who had nothing to do with it, and
they ultimately just really handled it so poorly. And in total,

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nine hundred million yen was spent over the course of
the investigation. That is three times more than was stolen.
This is why people hate police. The Tokyo Metropolitan Police
spent three times as much as it was stolen in
the robbery trying to find the guy who did it,
and then they didn't do that. They never found it,
he didn't do that, and they drove two people to suicide.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
I also heard apparently one of the investigators also killed
himself because of the shame of it all, Like this
was such a horrendous investigation, the way that it was
handled and the way that it was like you know,
the people were treated when they were presented as suspects
in this case. So although it is considered by many

(01:16:37):
and by Chelsea to be the perfect crime, Yeah, a
panel of experts was actually later brought together to assess
the crime, and they determined that the culprit or culprits
were mostly just extremely lucky. There were several places in
this crime where things could have gone so wrong, and

(01:16:57):
it's honestly a miracle that it went as well as
it did.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
I mean you mentioned the multiple cars. You mentioned like
the defect in the one vehicle, the fact that there
were witnesses that said, oh, there was a car there
under a tarp, but then now it's a different color,
Like there was multiple times he could have been seen
or caught.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Yeah, there's also like you're placing a lot of what's
the word, a lot of faith in like not a
single bank employee is familiar with police. Yeah, Like if
one of them had had like a cop like brother
or dad or I don't know what the gender disparity

(01:17:33):
in the cops of Japan at the time, they may
have been able to clock the motorcycle pretty easily.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Like there actually was a witness who had seen the
motorcycle en route to the car before it pulled them over,
who noted that that's a fake police vehicle because they
were familiar with police vehicles and the Honda motorcycle body
was taller than or was the Yamaha one was taller
than the Honda one. Yeah, the guy who was familiar
with police vehicles cocked it as being a fake vehicle,

(01:18:04):
but didn't report it before the crime happened because it
was like a matter of minutes. Also it's a matter
of like not my problem, but also it was just
like it had it just happened. What was really funny, Also,
there was a witness who reported the Nissan Cedric And
this is so funny to me because again, it was raining.
The Nissan Cedric was going really fast down the road

(01:18:25):
and it drove through a puddle and it splashed a
bunch of water at this woman who was walking on
the sidewalk, and she was so pissed off that she
took down the license plate information and reported that car
to the cops because they splashed her with a big puddle,
and then the cops were like, oh, that's the Nissan Cedric.
That's the car that was stolen with the money inside,
which is hilarious to me that it was just like
a Karen, this random woman who's like that car splashed me,

(01:18:50):
How dare you're gonna take down your license plate and
call the police? Splashed me? Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
But this guy like a ghost disappeared self is just
never seen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Never found, never seen again.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
But you were telling me that public perception even was
very much like this is a Victimus crime.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
A lot of people were a lot of people. It
was a very sensationalized thing where it was just like
people wanted to know what happened, but also like people
in the in the aftermath of it, people were just
kind of like the freaking poletariat was like, hell, yeah,
you steal that money.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
Yeah it was rooting for the bank in this exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Other banks, I imagine. I don't know, but uh yeah.
The the experts on the panel who investigated this after
the factor is kind of like, man, these people whoever
they were.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
They got real lucked. Wondering do you think that the
police and the bourgeoisie like watching the reaction to the
public being like, so who cares? Is the same as
like when that CEO got fucking murdered in broad daylight.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Maybe and everyone's like hell yeah, and everyone imagine it's
kind of similar to especially because again, like there were
like how Bonnie and Clyde you mentioned them earlier, Yeah,
like people were, people were fans of them when they
were robbing banks originally, And there have been a number
of cases where, especially like a bank robbery, especially when

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no one gets hurt, the public perception of them is
just kind of like, hell, yeah, screw the bank, you
steal that money.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
And Clyde did murder people did murder people. I'm talking
about other people. There have been other robberies where the
cemetry we were talking about in Europe, Yeah, yeah, people
people kind of root for the bad guy quote unquote
when nobody's getting hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Everyone loves an antihero. Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
That's why the big romanticy genre is morally gray shadow dead.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
But everybody also kind of wishes that they could rob
a bank a little bit. Don't we all kind of
wish we could rob a bank in game? In game?
Maybe a little bit in real life. But I also
know that I wouldn't make I couldn't manage it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
That was the first that's the main first plot point
in Sex Criminals is they are robbing a bank.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
That's true. I remember, I remember you have not read
Sex Criminals.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
You should. It's great. So to this day the case
has never been solved.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Is it a closed cold case at this point?

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
I don't know if it's closed. It's not closed, but
it is past the statute of limitation correct the statute
of limitations for this case, and the statute of legal
culpability for this case has passed. It passed in nineteen
eighty eight, so it was twenty years wow, from the
day of the robbery that they were like, okay, we're
not going to come after you anymore. You've done it.
You got away. And when that happened, several people came

(01:21:31):
forward claiming to be the three hundred million yen robber.
A lot of people are like, it was me, I
did it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
People do that with with murders.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
People that didn't people come forward saying they're the zodiac
like yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Those people come forward. You mentioned D. B. Cooper earlier.
A lot of people come forward saying I'm dB Cooper
or my dad was d B. Cooper.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
Yeah, they a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
People came forward in nineteen eighty eight, being like, it
was me, I did it. However, there were certain details,
certain evidence from the crime that the police never made public.
They held these things were supposed to do it exactly. So,
for instance, there was something inside the money cases along
with the money, there was another thing that was inside
the cases, and they were every person who came forward

(01:22:12):
and said it was me, I stole it. The police
asked what else was in the case? Then there was
the money, there were extra bags for the money. What
else was in the case, And to this day, every
single person who's come forward and said they did it,
none of them have given the correct answer for whatever
was in the money case.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
And we don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
We don't know. Well, no, that's not something that they
were to publicized.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Oh no, here's my question. Then, was it was it
left behind or was it also stolen this?

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
I believe it was left behind.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
That was my only question.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
I believe it was left behind.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
The thief did not take that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
The theme didn't the thief didn't take it, but they
saw it because they had to take the money out
of the case, right, So the thief knows what that
item is or items. The thief knows what that is,
but the police never publicly said what that item was.
Very curious and Snows come forward claiming to have been
the thief. None of them have gotten that question correct,
which means that none of them is a thief. Yeah,

(01:23:07):
so at this point, also the money never turned out well, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Mean, could they have tracked the money if they had been.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
Used sal numbers?

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
They did log what the serial numbers were. It's one
of those situations where if you like, you know, use
I don't know, like a thousand yen at at a
freaking grocery store somewhere, and that grocery store is not
checking the serial numbers, that money could be in circulation
for a while before it gets pinged. Yeah, like the
money could have re entered circulation, but it wasn't done

(01:23:35):
in a conspicuous way.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Yeah, it was just people probably let's make it small purchases. Yeah,
they didn't buy another car, they.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
Didn't buy any they didn't hand a bunch of money over.
They gave a thousand yen or another thought it would
be like a couple hundred thousand yen to buy a
vehicle or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Yeah, so that never they never found the money, they
never found the thief. And at this point in twenty
twenty five, even with the you know know, life expectancy
in Japan being higher than in America, very likely whoever
did the thief the robbery took it to their grave.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Yeah, so this point, they'd at least be sixty.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
They'd probably it's been it's been fifty something years. It's
been fifty seven years, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Yeah, and you got to imagine this was not Its
likely wasn't a teenager.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Even if it was boys who was nineteen at the time, Yeah,
then he would be in his seventies. Yeah, and again
that's pretty old for a man men. I think the act,
like the life inspectancy of Japan now, I think is
like seventy seven years old for men.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
It's higher than the US.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
It's higher than the US, but I think it's in
the mid seventies. I'm gonna mid to high seventies. Chelsea
can look that up. But yeah, it's very likely that
whoever did this robbery is no longer alive just because
they may have died of old age. Yeah, so we
will probably never know who pulled off in eighty four years.
Oh snap, maybe they're so live.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
Then, Uh in the US is seventy seven.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
Okay, so in the US and seventy seven, Japan's eighty four,
so it maybe there's still life then who's the.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
I mean that means that the next ten years of
our life, we may hear a news article of some
dude on their deathbed in Japan.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Who's like, it was me, It was me. I think
it's more it was a statue of a frog. In
the cases, I.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Think it's more likely there was a hunting hat, but
it wasn't as because as my hat.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
I think it's more.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Likely that if we ever do find out, it won't
be from like a deathbed confession. It'll be after that
person has died, but it'll be some family member that knows.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
I think it'll be some family member who suddenly finds
in a different box like one hundred million yen whatever
some amount that's left because that's yeah, that was a
lot of money at the time and just be like,
why is there so much money?

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Or they suddenly inherit a lot of money they didn't
know that their grandpapa had.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Yeah, it's like, didn't he just work at like this
ex company work did family march?

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Why does he have three hundred million at that point
more with the interests and whatnot, be more than three
hundred million yen. But yeah, that's the situation with that robbery.
The police bungled the investigation so bad it ruined several lives.
They spent three times as much money as was stolen
trying to find the criminal and never did. Yep, and
to this day we still don't know who it is.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
Here here's my question to both of you. Yes, so
let's say you steal like seven million dollars in cash. Sure,
but you can't spend it in a way that is
like like you can't buy a house in cash, because
that's you can't buy a house or anything in cash.
That's suspicious.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
I will say, what you do the Los Angeles job,
the house market currently, it is not suspicious to buy
a house in cash anymore. That's no, it's not that
it's suspicious to buy a house in cash. Is that
they're going to check that cash. They're going to check
that cash. So like I go to a small town
in the middle of nowhere, and I spend that cash
on small purchases.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Okay, yeah, I mean I would even be willing to
spend in the town the crime happened, small purchases, go
get a slushy. Yeah, I'd go buy movie tickets.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
I would go to like a freaking gas station in
the middle of nowhere with like a fifty and be like, hey,
can you break this for change and then get like,
you know, like a bunch of tens from that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
That's your that's your thing is You're going to go
to several places and make small purchases and get money back.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Yeah, Okay, I'm going to break the big bills down
in inconspicuous ways. I'm gonna make a bunch of small
purchases and I'm just gonna you know, I'm not going
to make a bunch of big purchase. I'm going to
have that as like my pocket money for me when
I go to the grocery store, when I go to
Trader Joe's, I'm paying to be.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
Like, hey, I've just because this is especially in certain areas,
it's definitely like a big thing where it's like I've
just been like, my my savings account is my mattress
kind of thing, So it could just be eventually it's like,
I have all this cash saved, I figured I could
probably finally put it in the bank.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
At that point, I'm gonna got from my mom, I'm
gonna buy a car off Craigslist, and I'm going to
talk to the person and be like, hey, can I
just do cash because that would be easier.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
And they're like, fuck, yes, yeah, Why would they say no?

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Why would they say no? No?

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
It just fucking In fact, if anyone offers to pay
via like Venmo or something on Craigslist, I'm always like no.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
I always like because that can be.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
It takes a little bit for the money to be
taken from the bank account.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
I was actually gonna say it could more easily be fraud.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
Well, yeah, exactly, because it takes a while for the money.
So it could be like in the same way that
you can use bad checks, because you can you don't
have to have the money in your bank in your
bank account balance. You can have it there at the
time when you're making the purchase, but it takes a
couple of days for it actually be removed from your account,
so then you just empty your account out and then

(01:28:44):
it's a zero balance. So when Venmo comes knocking, there's
no money there, right, so you can defraud via Venmo. Yeah,
don't don't do that. I'm not telling you to do that, listening,
I'm just saying, were I to hypothetically steal seven million
dollars cash, you would not know. I would not tell people.
There may be signs. There may be signs. Signs would

(01:29:05):
be I have a lot more real Coop in my house.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
The signs would be I have every single one of
those real size evolutions.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Yes, you would buy all the life size Evus push.
There would be signs, There would be sign but I
would not tell us.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Aul Interesting, Yeah, I mean another options we see this
in movies and stuff, is like take the money and
then bury it and then ten years later start to
do the thing you're describing, or like send it in
the mail to somebody you know and just be like
here's one hundred thousand yen or like whatever the equivalent
does in cash. Like something again, smaller amounts.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Small bills, small changes.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
I just came into some good money from the lottery here,
friend of the family, friend have a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
I just came into a little money from the lottery.
Here is money to pay off your fucking student loans
because my cousin went to law school, so she has
like two hundred thousand dollars in student loans.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
And it's like, if that had happened to me, I
wouldn't look it. I wouldn't look twice.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
I'm just saying, there's there's ways, there's ways for it's
never come up again if you do it smart, if
you play it smart, if you play it smart, play smart.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
I do also never tell anyone it's like I have
gone through the scenario of winning the lottery, because it's
like you hear so many horror stories of people winning
the lottery and then just like losing all of it
within two years or like.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
Like it being a nightmare.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
And I'm like, no, no, no, I because I don't
necessarily I'm not someone who wants to live in access anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
Like the things I want.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
The most excessive thing I want is like a nice
four bedroom house fair yeah, strong, like yer internet fiber.
So it's sort of like I wouldn't it is California
one of the places where you have to publicly disclose
that you won.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
I don't know, I do not know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
I know you can like choose to pay the taxes immediately,
which is usually more.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
You want to go for the lump sum.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
You want to go for the lump sum, then the
overtime payouts because then you can also invest it in places.
Yes anyway, but yeah, anyway, anyway, this is for something
that is never gonna happen. I've taught, I've thought about
this a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
What I'm saying here is that the crime itself chef kiss. Yeah,
the investigation shit absolutelue, garbage, acab a cab. And I
hope whoever did seal the money, A hope those people
got them cars back and that they were insured. And

(01:31:25):
then I hope whoever did steal the money had a
nice life.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
I think the moral of the story is make sure
your car insurance is up to date, especially if you
live in the US, because them catalytic converters keep getting stolen.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
What if the guy lived in the apartment complex where
those cars were stashed, because again they were saying he
was lucky, apparently, like what if he was, that's ballsy move.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
It's if you're if you're that's like a that's like
a like don't poop where you eat kind of situations
like don't don't stash the stolen vehicles in your apartment.
The lots where they were found, there was a bunch,
not the apartment complex, but the other lot, abandon lots.
The abandon lots had a whole bunch of stolen cars there. No, oh,
that's the apartment the apartment complex a lot had a
bunch of stolen cars.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Okay, all the other here's the thing. Yeah, that apartment
complex is just full of fucking criminals. And all of
them were like, we're not snitching.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Maybe, yeah, it's very possible. It's like all criminals.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
And then like two people who are like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Maybe those other those other stolen cars were not sold
by the criminal at all. They were just other stolen
vehicles other people at the apartment complex. And they're like, yeah,
the criminals still the thief still those yeah, the three
hundred million yen thiefs, still those cars. Totally it wasn't me. Yeah,
it couldn't have been me who did it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
Yeah, in my head that seems much more likely. I'm
sure it's not. But because I don't have all the information,
I'm like, doesn't it make more sense if there's just.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
Like a whole bunch of criminals living in is this
in one apartment complex? I don't know about that. I
don't know about that. But yeah, that's that's my story.
That is the tale of the three hundred million yen robbery,
Japan's most famous unsolved robbery. We should rob much money.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
And get.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
And try on hunting hats and tron.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
It's doesn't have to be never it's a trap. Don't
do it, just a hold back.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Those cops just they're like, well, we have to put
it on, we have to.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
Try it on. But let's look at it. It's in
favor of the robber who had criminal did nothing wrong.
But also if you are not a police person, then
you could you can become a suspect if you try
on the hat. I mean, you could become a suspect
just because the cops don't like you. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
as evidenced by this story. Anyway, anyway, that's all I

(01:33:36):
got today. Thank you both for coming along with me
on this adventure. We're going to finish up our episode
today by going to our final section of the podcast,
which is called Correspondence and Corrections.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
But first, oh, yes, I preferred from our sponsors. Let's
start with the Blue Sky. The Blue Sky so first,
All Electric sends us, and I think someone Elso sent
us an email about this. Maybe the Build a Bear
employee was upset because the Cubs won the World Series

(01:34:08):
in twenty sixteen and the White Sox were profoundly mid
that year, having previously won the World Series in two
thousand and five, just saying I thought I corrected myself
on the podcast because I think I said twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
I was like, sorry two thousand and six.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
Mmmm, I can't recall, yeah, because I was in Chicago
in two thousand and six. They won in two thousand
and five, right, and then I was I went to
Chicago that spring.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
But yeah, I was sixteen. It was two thousand and six.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
I was in Chicago right after they had won the
World Series that had just happened. If I wasn't, I
thought I had corrected myself, because I remember I did
accidentally say twenty sixteen at first. But if I didn't,
I apologize.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
East of the Fox also sends us a thread from
Tumber of someone saying, there was a brief period of
time in lower school when I thought ducks, geese, and
swamps were essentially different evolutionary forms of the same pokemon.
Either I thought ducks or the adolescent form of geese
and swans are like queen geese or something, or I
thought a baby duckling had an equal chance growing up
into a duck, goose, or swan, and there was no

(01:35:09):
way to know until it happened. And then somebody responded
that saying I thought seagulls evolved into pelicans, and that
person the original person says, I support this.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
There is a pokemon that goes from like a seagull
type to a pelican type. I'm pretty sure, I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Yeah, it's like wingle. I think yeah. I also, I
think I've saw in the podcast before. When I was younger,
I thought that goats and sheep were the same species,
and that sheep were the girls and goats were the boys.
Mm hmm, it's it's all the same.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
There's also that community gag where Troy thinks that all
cats are girls and all dogs are boys.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, same hat, same hat, same hat.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
At Niblick the third says, I managed to get the
correct answer on your guest the Dutch words quiz because
erin was a Middle English word for eggs, which happens
to be one of the only Middle English words I
know thanks to a children's book about the history of
the English that I read many many times.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
I love that where it's this is your slum dog
millionaire moment where just like I've read this book and
I remember that this is the word for eggs, and
so the Dutch and I saw on Tumblr like in
the last week where everye's like, does everyone have that
thing that they did a report on in middle school?

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Where it's like every time it's brought up, you're like, hey, the.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
Thing that's me with freaking the SR seventy one bomb
stealth bomber plane because I handed to report about it
in middle school. So I'm sorry I had to do
a report on the SR seventy one bomber playing in
middle school, and so a lot of that just comes
up every now and then. I was like, oh, yeah,
I remember thing I'm in middle school or do a

(01:36:37):
report on. Man, it was crazy. I was about to
tell you how I.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
Did one on Earth a kit and Rehearstornialhurst, but that okay,
just specifically the SR seventy one stealth bomber point. I
do love when I tell the story. They're like, oh,
for like Black History Month. I'm like jornial hearsts for
Black History Month. Earth a Kit was just because I
love her. I got to dress up as a cat
and I did but presentation on her because she's cow. Yeah,

(01:37:03):
so I read her biography. Ten year olds should not
be reading her.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
With the kids biography. She does mention three songs. I
love that for her, you know, not love that for
young you. But I do love that for her for
not fine yep, Blank Space's eighty four sends us some
West Virginia cryptids, a fun, little informational graphic of West
Virginia cryptids. We haven't talked about bat Boy. Do we

(01:37:29):
talk about the graph the monster? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
No, we haven't talked about bat Boy. I'm sorry I
went up a little a little further something, but.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
Yes, we haven't talked about We haven't talked about Gua.
We have not talked about the I don't know if
that's how he's pronounced it correctly, but I know the
snarly yow, the snarly yow. We do have to talk
about that. In the Veggieman White thing we've talked about
the white things white things of West Virginia. Oh okay, yeah,
I believe so. And sheep Squatch, I believe we talked
about I think we've talked about sheeps. And then obviously

(01:37:58):
the Flats was Monsters discussions about bat Boy because we've
had discussions because we weren't sure if it like counted
counted as a cryptid because it was more of like
a National Inquirer kind of story. It's still we could
be fun.

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
It could be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
Yeah, be fun.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Then one next up is very funny.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
This is this play space is eighty four.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
Yes, it's uh, it's this picture. It's a series of
pictures of Mike Wazowski from from Monsters, Inc. Yeah. It
zoomed up to his eye at different stage stages of
pupil dilation.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
Yes, so normal pupil dilation POVA, the DM. You create
a scenario for the party to fight and then very
tiny pinbrick pupil dilation. The Bard seduces the dragon with
a NAT twenty and the party leaves peacefully, and then
very large people dilation. You can create a scenario where
the dragon hunts down the bard for child support.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
Love that love that any listen, any situation is an opportunity. Yeah,
it's all an opportunity. God, I'm just now. I hope
that my DM four I Sucid Dragon, does not hear
this idea, because my character is the party, the party bicycle.
If you will and I don't. I don't need any
other children coming out of the way.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
You have the party by you just like playing hyper
sexual characters, because here's.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
The thing, it's kind of like playing make believe. I
get to do the thing that I don't want to
do in real life. Yeah, it's just like, wouldn't this
be wouldn't this be silly?

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
Five?

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
Wouldn't it be nice if we were old?

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
I'll stop?

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
Okay, I'm really singing it today. I'm very sorry you're
feeling it. You got the music in you. Shall we
go on? Chelsea? What you mind reading me any email?

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
Love to read you an email? We are we are
finally in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:39:38):
Uh we are on January first, twenty twenty five. So
we got an email from a man named Robert Alred.
It's very long. We're not going to read the whole thing, yes,
but it's my report by Robert Alred, author of a
history of military encounters with UFOs. And the thing is
we get we get a few of these emails from
people who are like asking to be on the pot pod.

(01:40:01):
Generally speaking, we turned them down because a lot of
them are like pro conspiracy and we don't want to
platform that. Yeah, this guy's not asking to be on
our podcast. He's just literally sending us his report.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
This man is writing a book from they and has
information relevant to the congressional hearing about UAP that happened
in November of last year. Yeah, which is discussing this
discussing like things in his book, but also discussing like
testimony and whatnot from that. It's a very long email.

(01:40:34):
We're not going to read the whole thing, we man.
I don't know why we didn't read this or earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
Probably because it didn't read like someone was asking to
be on the podcast, so we figured it was just
someone sending us a thing, don't We don't read the
emails before we label them.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Usually usually we just kind of get a general sense
about what they are. Yeah, so yeah, we're going to
happen to get back to this one, get back about that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
But yeah, last year, the amount of people reaching out
to try and be on our podcast who we would
do like basic internet sleuthing and find out they were
like huge supporters of RFK Junior or something, and we'd
be like, no where.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
It's just because like the word cult is in our
podcast or whatever and their conspiracies. So they look us
up and then they just kind of do like a
blanket send off to us, and it's like, Okay, yeah,
but we have another email.

Speaker 3 (01:41:21):
From did they sign?

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
Did they signed? Did they sign? I believe they did?

Speaker 4 (01:41:26):
Ari? Just Ari.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Okay, So thank you Ari for sending us this email
and many pictures of pets. Aloha. I've written before about
my beloved perfect special feline baby cryptozoologist Jim Bob Cooter,
coach of the Detroit Lions aka Cryptid.

Speaker 1 (01:41:42):
You remember, I remember Jim Bob Couter.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
Yes. By the way, this is called Silence, Riots and
Creepy fucking Antelope.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
Love it, Love it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
I'm writing this time with a few stories that I
feel you may enjoy. Feel free to share any and
or all of them. Two of these were inspired by
your episode from twenty twenty or about the composer who
wrote an orchestral piece with light show that everyone was
expected to know how to produce because he had synthasia, synesthesia, synathesa,
and do and everyone else did too.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
Yep, I don't remember his name.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
Sorry, Mal, insert that episode fantastic?

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
You did that episode? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:42:13):
I did?

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
I think it got mentioned? Possibly?

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
Oh when was this?

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
They said twenty twenty It was, but I'm trying to
remember because it was a topic of mine. I remember
talking about it, but I'm trying to remember if it
was the episode where I talked about the dude who
made the who made the composition that was supposed to
end the world, or if it was when I talked
about that one violinist who everyone thought was the devil.

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
Well, if that episode is inserted here, Christina figured out
which one it was, and if not, Mal said fuck
you both and didn't look for it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
I have a way of finding this out, okay, I
because I have notes. Let me see here. Please note.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
My spouse and I jump all over your catalog because
we listened while we fall asleep. His raging ADHD has
trouble settling down at the end of the night, and
him playing your podcast intrigued me. So now that's what
I listened to. When my insomnia is getting crazy. As such,
we're currently going through a handful of episodes from the
midst of COVID, although we're also cut up in the
last six months or so.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
Sick nice love that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
I also have raging ADHD And sometimes I actually listened
to Let's plays because I don't know. It's just it's
usually like Zelda Let's plays and it's calming. I can't,
I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
That's a happy place. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
First, John Cage's four thirty three. This piece is written
in three parts. All three of them include no noise
from the instrument and instead are made up of the
ambient noise of the audience. This is extremely controversial, but
was a big part of the movement that explored silence
as an aspect of music.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
I have heard of this, Yes, I think it was.
It was four minutes and thirty three seconds, correct, because
it's called four to thirty three. Yeah, because that's like
how long the piece was, four minutes and thirty three
seconds of silence.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
Next, Igor Stravinsky, which thank you for writing the pronunciation
of that. But I can't say, as someone who did
have for a brief period of time a music minor,
I did actually not to say this.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
Nice, I still probably would have needed the guide.

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
Thank you, Igor Stravinsky. Right of Spring the ballet is
intended to be to depict an ancient ritual welcoming Spring,
in which the girls slash young women of a native
people dance until one participant is chosen to dance herself
to death as a sacrifice, essentially like cats. Okay, am
I wrong? I don't want to it's like cats. I

(01:44:20):
don't want to confer more, deny that. When the ballet premiered,
the audience, made of fufu rich assholes expecting highbrow ballet
and the working class who hated the fraufou crew, did
not respond well. In fact, the audience began showing their
disapproval for the ballet, which turned into an argument between
the classes, which turned into a full blown riot where
Stravinsky had to escape the theater out the back door.
It's hands down my favorite musical piece that The Right

(01:44:42):
of Spring is a very good piece.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
Love that last.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
This one is a response to your recent The Moose
stands Alone episode. This was near and dear to my heart,
as my nickname has been Moose for twenty plus years.
You also mentioned an art PCE sent to you in
twenty twenty or so of a deer with human hands
remind me of this absolute nightmare fuel the Garanuk. The
garanook is a real animal, supposedly, I refuse to believe
it in Africa, which I learned about after my family

(01:45:05):
did a nine day safari in Tanzania worth every penny.
Of all the crazy animals in Africa, this is far
and away my least favorite. Seems normalist, right, but just
to wait a little weird.

Speaker 1 (01:45:17):
But okay, so the images are first, there is just
like a bunch of these guys, these antelope. They look
like antelope.

Speaker 3 (01:45:23):
Yeah, and if an Italian greyhound was an antelope.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
They have been like the image that's like, okay, a
little weird, but okay is the image where it's like
a face on view. If you've seen the show Centaur World,
I only bits of it. I think one of these
centaurs is an antelope sendar named Glendale. I think that
she is this type of ant like antelope. Just you
can just look it up. The Garenook, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
Yeah. The next photo is this guy on two on
asine legs with its arms like up and.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
Bent it's four legs bent back like it's about to
punch you in the face, but like in reverse, it's
weird and it's like, what the fuck is happening?

Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
And then again on hind legs, it's looking like it's
walking like a person.

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
It's like standing up with it's it's weird.

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
Again, looking like it wants to punch you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
Yeah, but like it's it's uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
I hope you enjoyed my notes for you. I'm sure
as I continue listening while my body screams for sleep
and my brain screams. But I have another story for them.
I will have more emails to send you in the future,
and we forward to them.

Speaker 1 (01:46:28):
We want them. Oh, I love to you.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
Gal's mouths and furry pals Ari moose. So we've got
several pet photos. Y Sanna Banana, which is a wonderful tabby.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
I think a tabby. I think this is a tabby.

Speaker 3 (01:46:42):
Yes, Faye aka fa Fee, the Crai Cray which is
a little dog rufus with a cryptid cameo in the back.
Two cats babies uh a owen ray grunt grunt grunt,
named after the Lord of the Rings and Star Wars
fist bumped Chelsea. Hell yeah, I'll get the puppy.

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
Male's best friends Last also has a dog named Ray Yeah.
Very cute, very good. Love the pets. These creatures make
me uncomfortable. Nature is terrifying and beautiful in all of
its vast differences. Ye, and thank you so much for listening.
We hope that you get some sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
Eventually, I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
We can do you want to say the end of
this episode like a really soothing way in the hopes
that maybe it rolls them into sleep. Sure, you can
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
Thank you, Thank you, And if you have anything you
would like to send us, you can reach us at
our email.

Speaker 5 (01:47:34):
I think Chelsea's doing like a weird reverse, but I'm
I can do the call.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
What's that email?

Speaker 5 (01:47:40):
You can email us at Colts Cryptids Conspiracies at gmail
dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
And you can also send us little tidbits or reactions
or pictures or whatever the heck you want. Our Blue Sky,
Our Blue.

Speaker 5 (01:47:53):
Sky, which is say three podcasts, And.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
If you want to reach us anywhere else, if we
haven't mentioned it here, but it exists somewhere, you can
find all of that plus a po box that no
longer exists.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
It exists but doesn't work for us. It's not hours
anymore on our website, which.

Speaker 5 (01:48:09):
Is cultscryptidsconspiracies dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
Or you could rob a bank, but don't tell.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
Us if you do, don't tell us if you do,
but send us cash.

Speaker 5 (01:48:18):
We want plausible deniability, and so do you. So do
you listener if you rob a bank or a car
or any.

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
Guess, we're gonna have to get that po box fixed.

Speaker 1 (01:48:28):
If we want you to send us.

Speaker 5 (01:48:29):
Cash, or you can meet us under the stoplight, yeah
at three am tomorrow, that's fine, and hand it to us,
but don't make eye contact.

Speaker 4 (01:48:37):
Also, if you're in Los Angeles, because this is coming
out on May thirtieth, If you are in Los Angeles
on June seventh and eighth, you happen to make your
way to a place in Los Angeles called Magic Box,
and you walk in and there's an event going on,
and you go up to someone working there and say,

(01:48:59):
I want to challenge Chelsea.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
Miller to Mario Kart.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
Do it?

Speaker 5 (01:49:03):
Chelsea wants to play Mario.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
Kart with people.

Speaker 5 (01:49:05):
I want to play mariog Live.

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
I have been told that I'm not allowed to as
of right now because I am booked solid for the
whole event, but I really want to do it. So
if someone specifically requests me, I feel like they can't
say no.

Speaker 5 (01:49:22):
They can't stop. All of you listeners, all of you
LA people who maybe go to IGN Live. I don't know,
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
Art of Garole will be there.

Speaker 1 (01:49:32):
We're not saying rob a Bank, but we are winking,
not saying that.

Speaker 5 (01:49:36):
We are winking you can hear it, just like so,
we hope that you listener gets some good sleep and
we'll see you next week. Okay, bye Christina, Bye Chelsea.

Speaker 1 (01:49:48):
Bye.

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
Now I can still hear his voice

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