Episode 401: Social Isolation (Part 1 of 2)

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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hi, Christina, Hey, Chelsea, how's it going.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I got a new tattoo, you do, Yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
It is the Master Sword. Y is with flowers, with flowers,
everything has flowers. What specific flowers have you got? So
they're from the game? Yes? The one that I told
her that I definitely wanted was the it's a flower
called the Silent Princess. But then I was like, I
think I want other flowers there too, but I don't

(00:54):
know what. So she just looked up flowers from the game. Okay,
so I've got these. One are called swift violets, and
I don't remember what these ones are called, but they
kind of look like blue Lily of the Valleys. Okay,
and there's like I was considering maybe adding even more
flowers because there's a couple others from the game that
I really like, but I also kind of figured that

(01:15):
I could do that later if I wanted to. Sure. Yeah,
so yeah, it's on my forearm. It's my first forearm
tattoo because I do kind of want to sleeve like
a tattoo sleep Oh interesting, Yeah, like mouhas, but mine
will be colorful. Okay, yeah, sure, but I don't know
what else to add to it if it'll be Zelda

(01:36):
or like other games or something. I know. I want
one on my other forearm, which will be just another
Discworld tattoo, but I mean yeah, and then I have
I have so many tattoos that I want, including a
Lord of the Rings tattoo. I want the white tree
you touched your leg? Yeah, on my thigh Okay, okay, yeah,

(02:00):
and I'm gonna add too. I've got my cousin's birth
flower on my side and I'm going to add her
children's birth flowers to it. M M. And then the
tattoo artist I got the Master's Sword from yesterday also
does flash tattoos and she has a flash that's California poppies,
and I think I want those two. That's pretty. Maybe
it's a basic white girl thing, but I did grow

(02:21):
up here, and I think California poppies are pretty. And
I decided a long time ago that I really don't
give a shit if it's basic.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
You're it's you know, it's just whatever you like. You know,
like that's there's there's actually in shout out to this
creator on YouTube I follow. Her name is Jordan Teresa,
and she puts out a series of video essays because
I'm a video essay fan.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
God say video this topic.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
The topic of her essay was about the sort of
rise of tattoo culture and the way that it is changed,
largely because of social media, and how that's affected both
you know, people who are getting tattoos, in the way
tattoos are viewed by the population as a whole.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
But she spoke about her own personal experience with having
tattoos because I don't have any, so I can't speak
on that.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
But she was talking about how like she got one
which was like a Pinterest tattoo because she liked the
trend of it and liked like the aesthetic and put
a bunch of like thought and meaning into like what
it all represented, but didn't end up actually liking it
because like, the only reason she got.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
It is because it looked cool on Pinterest.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, or at least the style that she got, yeah,
was because of look cool on pint.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
That's like how many how many millennials out there have
a mustache tattoo on their point their finger? Now that's true, yeah,
And I mean, like if you like that, then that's fine.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
It's one of those things where it's like the tattoos
that you regret are often because they're cool at the
time as opposed to something that you genuinely like exactly.
And if you genuinely like it, it sounds like you probably
won't regret getting it.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Oh, I don't think i'll regret it. When I was
first getting tattoos, when I was younger, I was very
much into like, oh, I want to get something no
one else gets. M M. I got my wrist tattoos,
which I don't regret them, but they don't look as
good as like the rest of the tattoos I have MM.
And then I told my cousin Lucienne about it, and
I was like, maybe we should get like tattoos together.

(04:13):
We did, but we were like, well, what did we
get like each other's birth flower? We thought we were
being so cool and original, and then we found out
that that's like a really common thing to do, is
to get like someone's birth flower. And after that, like
the balloon and me kind of deflated, like, oh, it's
not cool and original. And then I was like, who

(04:33):
gives a shit, Yeah, it's nothing is new under the sun. Yeah,
there is nothing that is wholy original at this point
in time.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, you know, like why just just do what makes
it happen.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
What's interesting is so I think all of my cousins,
all but one of my cousins has a tattoo, and
that's my brother also has a tattoo. He's Lord of
the Rings tattoo. Yes, the Tolkien drawing a smug on
his arm. Oh, I like that. One's very cool, very good.
I love it. But like my oldest cousin, Megan, she

(05:04):
was she got a tattoo illegally when she was seventeen.
She got it on her back because she was like, well,
if I don't like it, then I don't have to
look at it. And she actually told me, and this
is like stuck with me since then. She told me
that she deeply regrets it. Not necessarily the tattoo itself,
although she did get it covered up later, but she
regretted the fact that she couldn't see it. She's like,

(05:25):
my whole thought process was if I don't like it,
then I don't have to see it. But I actually
kind of hated that. Right, It's like that I can't
like I bought this tattoo. Why can't die permanently on
my body? Yeah? And I can't see it. So when
I started getting my tattoos, I was very conscious of that,
and I was always like, Okay, I just want to
make sure that any tattoo I get, I'll be able
to like semi easily see.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
I had that conversation with Bitter actually because she was
talking about getting another tattoo, yeah, and she was wondering
about placement, and I was like, well, is it for
you to look at or is it for other people
to look at?

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, Like, are you.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Getting it because you want other people to see it?
Or you get it because you want you to see it?

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Well, And that's like a whole debate in the tattoo
community too, because especially when you get ones on like
your arms. Yeah, it's like, uh so the way that
the master short is it's placed so that it's sort
of towards the viewer on my arm in a sense,
the tip is towards your wrist, yes, Whereas people will
get tattoos and it's more towards them and people will

(06:22):
be like, oh, you got it placed wrong because like
other people can't see it, and it's like maybe they
got it for themselves, Like it's not as long as
that's what they wanted. The placement isn't wrong. Yeah, yeah,
like that's how It's like people will always rat on that.
It's how do you know it's placed wrong? It's not
your tattoo. Yeah yeah, it's just stupid. So it's like
my thing is like, this is how I wanted it placed. Yeah,

(06:43):
but other people like maybe would place it on my
god senders. She really wants were fighting the good fight
over there, she really wants pets. She's like, whatever you're
doing is not as important as me. Yeah yeah, yeah,
I mean my my whole thing is like it's you're
not going to regret the tattoo as long as you're
getting it for yourself, no matter what it is. It
doesn't have to have deep meaning or anything like that
to it. I decided early on that I just like

(07:05):
really getting a lot of flowers because I think they're fun.
So lawers are pretty yeah. Uh. Like I was saying,
how I want to fucking Pokemon tattoo. I want an
EV tattoo, Okay, but I was like, I don't just
want an Eve because I'm sitting here like everything has flowers.
And then literally yesterday I was on Instagram and someone
had tattoo concepts of like ev and all the evlutions,

(07:26):
but they were made up of flowers. Pretty hang on,
let me show you one so you can see what
I'm talking about. Sure, because I was like, oh no,
now this is what I want. Oh pretty. Yeah, it's
it's kind of the different evlutions, but there's like an outline,
but then the fill the color is of flowers. Yeah,
so I thought like, okay, that's really this one's awesome.

(07:47):
Oh yeah, yeah. I love Sylvie on me too Transpride.
So yeah, it's just like all those different kinds of
things and I'm like, oh, I love just getting like flowers.
My mom is always like, just make sure you have
room because you're gonna want to get your children's birth flowers.
And I'm like, I know, I don't know where it'll go.
We'll go somewhere, but yeah, I love how that's my

(08:10):
mom's warning. It's like, just make sure you've got room
for the other tattoos you're gonna eventually want. I love
my mom, but yeah, derifle very good. So yeah, that
was yesterday. I and one of the people who I
was just reading the whole time. I was upset that
it was being done on my arm, so I couldn't
like take in my switch and play games while it
was happening. Because when I got the one on my

(08:30):
shin done, I was just sitting there, like I could
be doing so many more things right now, right because
the guys, it's time, I'm just sitting. Yeah. Use ask
any tattoo artists and they'll tell you that a fat people.
They actually probably trans women too, although I don't know
for sure, but it's like women in general feminine presenting

(08:54):
tend to have a much higher pain tolerance. I feel
like that's proven by like they've done tests to prove
that that. Generally speaking, I think it is actually an
afab thing because I think it's tied to having a uterus.
I think it's part of me wonders if it is
possibly socialization. But that's yeah, that's another thing, and that's

(09:15):
why I'm curious if that extends to trans women or
if it's if it's like.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Linked to estrogen, or if it is in fact, like
a socialization thing.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Linked to estrogen, it would also still be trans women.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, Okay, that's yeah, I'm clarifying what you say. I
think is whether or not it is something that is
biological when linked to estrogen, or if it's something that
is socialized, because women who like experience, you know, period
pains or cramps or whatever, tend to have higher pain tolerances. Yeah,
and there, But then there's there's also spectrum for that.

(09:45):
This is a complete nonsteconed or hello everyone, Welcome to colts, cryptids,
and I guess tattoos, because that's mostly what this has
been about. Yea, colds, cryptids, and creative body art.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah. Yeah, because you got to get the c in
there somewhere.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I I think I've mentioned in the podcast before that
in college, one of my friends was doing one of
those like studies, like very small sample sized study about
pain tolerance by having everybody they knew put their hands
in a bucket of ice.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
For five minutes.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Okay, it was the ice water thing where like you
have to stick your hand in there and they time
you for however long you can stand to like with
stand the pain. And she did this to like my
whole dorm. So there was me and my roommate Shannon,
who was the other person who did it by Shannon, Yeah,
I shout out, Shannon. Don't know what she's up to recently,

(10:34):
but shout out to her moved to Texas to pursue
voice acting, didn't she I cannot recall. Okay, probably oky,
why I remember that? That sounds like something she'd do. Yeah,
so very possibly, But I was. She and I were
the ones who were in the dorm at the time
that we were doing this test, and she had her
hand in the bucket of ice for all of thirty seconds.

(10:56):
It seemed like instantaneous, like she put her hand in there,
waited like a couple of seconds and said Nope, couldn't
do it, and pulled their hand back out. And I
stuck my hand in there, and I was like, okay, yeah,
this hurts. But eventually I got over that. Yeah, and
it was like, Okay, now my hand's just numb and
cold because I'm in a bucket of cold water. And
I was like trying to chat with my friend. They're like,

(11:18):
you can't talk because that's distracting you from like you're
allowed to talk. It's like, all right, fine, I'll sit
in silence. And then after five minutes they're like, okay,
we can't have you for safety reasons. You can't have
your hand in there any longer, so you have to
take it out. So yeah, even amongst you know a
FAB people, Yeah, there is a wide range.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, I am. I always like seeing those videos of
like the period. Yeah, and like mal Mal has never
of course he hasn't. He's never belittled, like when I
have period pain or anything. He's always very much like
what do you need? What can I get you? Are
you good? And it's like Mel's like, I don't disbelieve
how much pain you're in it. I'm like, no, it's
not that, it's that I'm curious. I'm curious to see

(12:00):
like where I am on that scale, because I think
all a FAB people are sort of like we're told
that either we're overreacting or you know, it's really not
that bad or whatever, until like I see so many
of these videos of AFAB people who are then hooked
up to it and they're like, hey, your cramps are
like fucking astronomically painful, and they're just like oh yeah,

(12:23):
they had no idea.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Which makes me wonder if it's like it's a thing
you just get used to know.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
So I'm curious about where I am on that scale.
Midna midna down. I'm curious about where I am on
that scale, and then I'm curious to see how much
mal could take. And it's not like a punishment thing.
I'm just it's a curiosity thing. But he's like very
much against it, so of course I'm not going to
be like, no, you cat to do it. Yeah. Yeah,
but it's just like a scientific curiosity kind of thing, honestly.

(12:50):
But he also has tattooed. I had to ask him
because he already has tattoos on his forearm, and I
was like, how was that, and he's like, it hurt.
I have light a king, So I end up using
some of that and it stuck out for like an
hour and a half and the tattoo only took two hours,
so it stuck around for most of the time. So
I was like, pretty, okay, that's good. Yeah, And as

(13:12):
anyone will tell you, actually, regardless, it's actually like it
hurts more when they start doing the fill in because
they're going over spots they've already done, right. Yeah, So yeah,
but it was fine. I read I had my loops in.
That's what really helped is I had those loop earplugs
so then I didn't have to hear it. But yeah,

(13:32):
it was great. She's super fucking talented. You can find
her on Instagram tattoo June. Her flowers are fucking incredible
and that's why I went to her. So yeah, delightful, Yeah, delightful.
Do you think you'd ever get a tattoo?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Probably not, just because I feel myself is too fickle
of a person.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
I feel like I'm not saying you shit, uh huh.
I feel like a really dainty, like space tattoo would
be really cute. I mean, Suars or whatever. A favorite constellation.
I don't have a favorite constellation. Yeah, I mean, I
know you hate you've have there's nothing scientific behind astrology,
but I don't hate astrology. I don't subscribe to astrology,

(14:14):
but I don't hate it. Yeah. But like if you
got like the Scorpio constellation, like I could see that.
I'm not really attached to it in any way.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
It's the thing, the only the closest thing I've ever
considered to getting a tattoo is that there was a
girl I saw once who had gotten all of the
freckles on her arms turned into little sparkles.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Okay, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
So she had like matched them to the color of
the freckle, and it was very subtle. It was something
that you wouldn't really like notice unless you were looking
for it. But yeah, the little like four pointed sparkle symbols.
She just touched all of the freckles, even like the
smallest tiniest ones on her arm, into those, and I
was like, that's super cute. Yeah, but a little bit

(14:54):
of a bummer. There is a history of skin cancer
in my family, and so my whole thought is if
any those freckles changed shape, if I had them tattooed,
I might not notice immediately.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Counterpoint, you would notice immediately because the tattoo would be
obviously different.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
I mean if there, if I was adding to the freckle,
I say, the shape of it would not be round anymore.
And if it ever became if the freckle itself ever
became not round, that's true, I might not notice instantly,
and that would become an issue with diagnosing skin cancer later.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
So that's my whole thing is because I also have
some fairly large like moles and stuff, and so it's
it's one of those things where it would be cute.
I can see myself getting that. It's something that I
for years of thought would be cute. So it's like,
if I'm still thinking it's cute after a few years,
it probably I would probably enjoy it, but I.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Don't want to.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
You may also do it for future dermatologist.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, you could also do it instead of getting it
like to match your freckles. You could do the white
ink because that would look like more like a sparkle
on your freckles, you know what I mean. I don't
know how I would like the look of like with
a brown center, a white sparkle with a brown center. Yeah,
I mean, it's just there's different, there's options. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I just wouldn't want to. That's my concern with it.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
No, that makes a whole lot of sense holding me
back from getting that as a tattoo. Yeah, I just
think that I'm too fickle and I think I would
dislike it.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
I think. So when I got my shitin tattooed Christian,
our friend Christian was there with me, m hm, and
she was going to school for costume design, and she
ended up getting like a really quick because she was
already there. She's like, can I also get a tattoo?
And Chelsea's done because it was like a quick five minutes.
She just got a needle and thread on her arm. Cute. Yeah,
So like I could also see you doing something like that,
but with like knitting or something like a really simple

(16:41):
small Again, I think I would look. I think I
would hate it later is my problem. I think I'm
too fickle and I would hate it. No, I get
and like there are people who just can't get tattoos
because they're like I can't like focus on just getting
one thing and it be on my body for permanently. Yeah,
I feel like I would not want at some point
and would come to not want it to be there. Yeah. No,

(17:01):
that's fair. Yeah, that's my whole thing. That's why I
don't get tattoos. Yeah. And my thing is more like
even if I because like as someone was actually asking,
it's like I want to get a tattoo, I'm concerned
about regretting it later. And I'm like, listen as someone
who was a Harry Potter tattooed, so I can speak
to regret later. There's still like a whole thing where
it's like I don't necessarily regret it because it's it's
a symbol of where I was at the time that
I got it, mm hmm, and that's how I look

(17:23):
at it. I also decided because I was on the
verge of getting like a Sandman tattoo, so I've also
decided I'm not getting tattoos for authors who are still alive.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
I mean, even authors that are dead can be.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Terry Pratchett will not disappoint me. I'm not insinuating Terry Pratchett.
I am just saying that dead or alive, the.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Fact that it's like sometimes it's fraud, you know, like
and it's the same thing where they're all I mean,
I guess the authors that are dead or less fraud,
But it's the same thing where they say, like, don't
get the name of a person who's still alive tattooed
on your body. Oh yeah, that's a that's a curse.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah. I mean my thing is usually like I know
Tolkien didn't have great views on a lot of things,
but I don't feel as bad like getting because it's
not like I'm not concerned it's gonna come out that
there's a whole bunch of his victims around that he
like abused or whatever. I'm not thinking that's gonna happen
so like fingers crossed. But still it's a little bit

(18:20):
easier when an author is already dead and their crimes
are passed, whereas Gamins are not really that far past
and Rowling is actively a cunt. So yeah, you know,
that's that's how I feel about it. But yeah, makes sense.
We should get the podcast started.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Probably you had a lot to say, and I was
letting you go.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
What if I got a cryptid? Okay, what cryptod would
you get? Hm? I feel like moth Man is too
obvious a little bit, I mean, but again for you,
but I mean like some night crawlers should be funny.
They're always funny because it's another California thing. They're just
it's really funny. It is really funny. Yeah, believe in
your dreams, do whatever you want. Yeah, life is your oyster.

(19:03):
Oh thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Welcome everyone to Colt Scripts and Conspiracies, the podcast where
we don't talk about tattoos. Usually you sometimes they come up,
but not often. What we do talk about is Coult
Scripteds and Conspiracies. We also talk about mysterious happenings, hauntings,
parris items, creepy, weird, fun stupid, interesting little guys from history, ghosts, ghosts.

(19:26):
I think I said hauntings, but sure, yeah, ghosts. Maybe
they didn't say hauntings.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
I don't know. I don't know what I'm saying at
any given modent in time.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
All of that kind of stuff. That's what we talk about. Uh,
and today's Chelsea's topic. It is, so I don't know
what realm that your topic falls under. Cults, cults, cults, classic, yeah, yeah,
I have I have a slight bummersill sometimes update.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Okay, introduced us to the Marshal. Sometimes this is the
bumbers will. Sometimes it is a segment on our podcast
that is a lot less frequent than it used to be,
where we talk about updates to past topics, updates to
topics we might do in the future. It's just general
things that are related to cult, cryptids and or conspiracies.
And this is just gonna be a quick one because

(20:10):
I don't want us to linger on this. Apparently Trump
is thinking about pardoning Diddy. Why I think did he
supported him? Okay? And his ego is too big? It's
just all right, yeah, that's all that's my update. Okay.
I don't want to dwell on it. That's gross. I
just want people to be aware that that's a thing.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, all right, I hope that he Yeah, yeah, I
was gonna say, like get shot, but like you know,
either of them those ones.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, I guess actual threat quacks.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Except I'm not saying I'm doing it, so no head, no,
I everyone knows my aim is terrible.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
And also I against gun ownership. So yeah, yeah, all
those things, all those things, all those things. Anyway, Uh, that's.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
All you got, so sometimes that's all I got.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
All right, we'll move on then real quick. I can't
say it was a real quick intro because it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
It wasn't.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
I hope that cinder crinkling really loudly on a toy
is not going to be audible on the microphone.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, that's a different for her. We'll find out.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, let's move on to today's topic, which is Chelsea's
after quick word from our sponsors.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Okay, so hello, before we get started, there are a
list of trigger warnings to go through. Cool body, yep,
So first of all, we are we are right smack
dab in the middle of Bummersville for sure.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Welcome everyone to my fine city.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
It's happy to happy to have you here, even though
you will probably hate the experience.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yep, who's to say so. Trigger warning for child abuse
although in first episode it's only going to be emotional
and mental. Physical abuse will happen, but not in this episode.
Trigger warning for partner abuse, also emotional and mental, not physical.
Trigger warning for I don't know how else to say this,

(22:18):
but just terrible therapy okay, suicide, ideation, depression. And for
this episode, I think that's it. If something else comes up,
I'll of course like saying it out. Yeah yeah, a
fun a fun little fruit basket of trigger warnings you
have provided. Uh sounds like a cult to me? Yeah yeah,

(22:42):
And so it may. For those of you who don't
already know the story, it may surprise you to learn
that we're actually starting with a YouTube channel. Okay, we're
starting with a YouTube channel called eight Passengers.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Ah okay, yeah yeah all right, yeap.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
So those who do not who do not know Eight
Passengers was a family blogging YouTube, a family vlogging channel.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Can I ask, yes, if the video essay that inspired
you to do this topic was fundy Fridays?

Speaker 1 (23:09):
It was not? Okay, funny Fridays. They do good work.
They do good work. I actually I don't. I may
have watched it if she has a new one. I
didn't watch it yet. I watched a few video essays
about this. There's also a Hulu documentary called Devil in
the Family. And then I also read Sherry Frankie's book,
Oh just called in the House The House of My Mother,

(23:31):
And if you haven't read it and you think you
can handle all of the first hand accounts of abuse,
I recommend it. It was very well done. Also, in the
spirit of Sherry talking about this, she Cherry and Chat
are adults. They are the two oldest of the family,
and I will say their names. The four other siblings

(23:52):
are still miners, and Sherry does not like you could
obviously find their names. They were on a family vlogging channel, right,
but Sherry doesn't want to broadcast their names, and that
is understanding. I am going to be respecting that fair,
fair and right. If I refer to them, it'll be
by their initial Okay. Yes, So Ruby Frankie was a
or is. She's still alive, but she's a Mormon mother

(24:15):
who shot to fame with her YouTube channel eight Passengers.
So the first viral video they put up was baby
Climbs out of crib and I believe it was the
youngest of the klan, either the youngest or second youngest,
because there was another video that they then put out
that was them doing a gender reveal cake for the
last child in the family that is a girl who

(24:39):
will refer to when we need to as e okay.
And actually the video itself is kind of funny because
Chad in the video is like visibly disappointed, Oh that
it's a girl and it's a girl. Oh, I hate that.
I always hate when he's a kid.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Sure, sure, sure, it's It's one of those things with
gender reveals though, where it's always just kind of like,
I mean, it's like a sibling. It's a little you
can kind of laugh it off more where it's like, oh, ha,
you wanted a brother. Yeah, I get that, but was
it a twelve year old kid. Yeah, But it's one
of those things where it's like gender reveals to me,
there's an element of cringe to it, where when somebody
is visibly upset, it's like, yeah, why did you do this?

Speaker 1 (25:17):
So the reason Ruby decided to call her Channel eight
passengers was because between her and her husband and their
six children, they were eight passengers going through life oh Together.
Ruby was actually not the first in her family to
get started on family blogging her one of her sisters.
She has two sisters that were also into it. One
had a popular YouTube channel about her and her husband

(25:39):
struggles with fertility, and then another sister had another family blog.
Ruby figured she could do it and better because she
had more children. So she was a better mom because
she had six kids. Right, Yeah, yeah, that's not necessarily
how that works. You're a more prolific mother. Yeah, Listen.

(26:01):
Ruby's thought process throughout the entirety of this is suspect,
to say the least, considering how it all ended up.
Considering how it all ended up, Sherry in her book
talks about even before the vlogging happened, Ruby was already
like very much more of a like I want the

(26:22):
world to see me as a superman or superwoman. Mom. Sure, mom,
s sure, But behind closed doors, Sherry was like, Ruby's
predisposition to like emotional abuse was always there. Yeah. I mean,
here's the thing. When you start a family vogging channel
where the purpose is to kind of like focus your.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Children, that decision automatically speaks to a lack of care
for their privacy or well being, like you already kind
of don't care about your kids if you were going
to put them in the spotlight constantly, whether or not
they care to be Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah. At first when they started the vlogging, it actually
seems like the kids were kind of like into it
because it was like, oh, we're gonna be famous. And
for the oldest at least, that kind of tapered off
fairly quickly. For Sherry and Chat especially because again it's
like you're a kid.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
You don't realize, you think it's gonna be cool, but
then you realize the reality of it, where it's like, Hi,
you have no private moments because your parents make your
entire life performative.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah. So, Sherry in her book actually talks about an
instance that happened when she was young, so before the
family ofvlogging happened, as kind of an example of what
Ruby's parenting was like. Even before the vlogging happened, her
mother had put her in piano lessons too, because it's like,
you know, you get your kids doing extracurriculars, and Ruby

(27:46):
wanted her daughter, her oldest child, to play piano. Sherry
did not like playing piano. But did it because that's
what her mom wanted. Mood God. Yeah. And there was
an instance where Sherry had a piano lesson and the
teacher would give like stickers when you were like ready
to move on to a different composition, and Sherry was

(28:07):
working on this composition and the teacher was like, you're
almost there. You'll get this sticker next time, Like you're
really almost there, like you're you're doing really well. It's
just like we just need one more session of practice
before you're able to move on to a new composition.
And Sherry started freaking out because she's like, well, my
mom said that I should be ready now, and it's

(28:29):
this whole thing of like, if I don't get this sticker,
I'm disappointing my mom. And to the piano teacher's credit,
she like clocked that immediately and was like, you know what,
never mind will give you the sticker. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
But also it's like, why are you having such a
visceral reaction to the idea of your parents' disappointment.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
That's kind of a little bit of a red flag. Yeah, yeah,
I mean the red flag you already know that things
are not going to turn out well because throughout the
whole book. I listen to it throughout the whole book.
Sherry does not refer to her parents as mom and dad.
Does she narrated her so she narrates herself so nice.
She refers to them by their first name only. Yeah,
to the point where when I was watching the documentary,

(29:06):
So I watched the documentary Devil in the Family. Even then,
I was like, I was watching it, but I was like,
she keeps referring to them by their first name, but
she's their biological child, right, And it was just like
as soon as like it clicked, it's like, oh, she's
so distanced from them, she doesn't even consider them mom
and dad at this point. Yeah. Yeah, So that's that's
how much. Yeah, Sender is the one who is the

(29:29):
problem today anyways. So that's how that's how badly Sherry
feels like disconnected from her family, and how the whole
experience absolutely like fucked her up. Right, Yeah so more so.
One of the things that I've always been curious about,
especially with family vlogging, because first of all, I fucking
hate it. Family vlogging I think should be like either heavily,

(29:54):
like I realized we can't outlaw things like that, but
heavily regulated at the very least. Right now, it's like
not at all. I think that California was passing laws.
I was about to say, California passed some like minimal laws.
And in response to that, a bunch of family bloggers
moved out of California. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and this is
taking place in Utah. There's there's fucking nothing. Yeah. But

(30:16):
what I was actually most concerned about is why do
family bloggers tend toward Mormonism? Like why is that such
a big thing? And it turns out because obviously I'm
not religious in any sense, and I don't really know
a whole lot about Mormonism. Duncan has told us some things.
But what I didn't realize is that Mormonism, the church itself,

(30:36):
actually has a huge emphasis towards like family blogging, even
within themselves. Yeah, so because their whole thing is like
everything has to be recorded for future generations. But that
also in this day and age kind of makes you
predisposition towards Well, if I'm already jotting all of this down,
if I'm already recording all of this, I'm gonna put
it online one for to like show off to the

(31:01):
world how great I am. That's definitely Ruby's thing, but
also as like a kind of mission form of missionary work,
yees sense, and.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Especially for women in Mormonism, because I have there's a
number of creators who speak in the space. There's oh God,
I can't remember her name, but there is one on
YouTube that I watch where she is a former Mormon
who I think that's probably when I've watched too very possible. Yeah,
she speaks about her experiences in the church and speaks
about like the culture of it and how for women

(31:29):
especially there is this emphasis on being a role model
for you know, other women within within the church and
for your daughters. But also as yeah, it is like
a method of proselytizing. You're supposed to be projecting this
perfection and this ideal, this Mormon ideal of like a
happy homemaker and a happy family and like what it

(31:52):
is like to people. So it very much And that's
also like that's why there's a lot of like creators
who go super hard like in their craft to turn
out to be Mormon, because there is this idea that
like your perfection is reflecting well on the Church. So
it is encouraged yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, So that was interesting to me because that was
something that was talked about in the documentary, and that
was also something Shery talked about in her book Sherry
And by the way, Sherry, Chad and Kevin, whose Ruby's
now ex husband, were all involved in the making of
the documentary. Okay, so that's good. Yeah, it was actually
very very well done. It's like three it's a three
episode series on Hulu. Anyway, So, after the family vlogging

(32:39):
took off, at one point the eight Passengers YouTube channel,
which started in early twenty fifteen. At the height of
its popularity, which was about June twenty twenty, it had
about two point five million subscribers and had a mast
about a billion views. Jesus. Yeah, and this included like

(33:00):
brand partnerships at one point leading to a vacation at
Universal Studios in Florida. They were making thousands of dollars.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
A month I'll give YouTube, which is another thing that
is often with kids of family bloggers. It's often like
a guilt thing because their parents really kind of nail
in like this is how we make our money.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Oh. When Ruby absolutely played into that. Yeah, where it's
like you have to cooperate because how like, oh, so
we'll be able to feed you. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I
mean at one point in twenty eighteen, they even ended
up moving into this huge new house and Sharry was
saying it was kind of like sterile and isolating because
where before she had been sharing a room with one
of her younger sisters, she now had her own room

(33:44):
and she kind of wasn't sure how to feel about that. Interesting,
and one of those reasons is because Sherry actually, like
shortly after the family blogging took off, Sherry actually went
to her father and told her father, I have depression.
She's in middle school at this point, and she went
to her father because she trusted her dad more than

(34:05):
her mom. For sure. She knew that Ruby would not
respond well to her daughter saying I have depression, and
that she would basically be like, no, you don't, that
doesn't exist kind of thing. But Kevin was able to
convince Ruby to let Sherry go to therapy, and Sherry
started going to therapy, and she actually really I don't
know if enjoyed is the right term for when like

(34:26):
you're going, but she knew that she was getting a
lot from it, and she liked her therapist.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
You can enjoy like you can enjoy going to therapy
because even if it's like difficult, if it's difficult, it
can be cathartic.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Still. Yeah, yeah, And I think she had actually gone
to Kevin a couple times, and he didn't insist to
Ruby for her to go to therapy until there was
a point where Serry was like, I don't want to exist.
So it was sort of getting to that point of
suicidal ideation or kid yeah Jesus. So so Kevin was
able to convince Ruby to let Sherry go to therapy.

(34:58):
They of course never talked about it on the chair, sure,
because that would fuck up with Ruby's whole persona of
being the best mom in the world.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
But also, I'm kind you shouldn't because that's nobody's business,
you know, like broadcasting your children's mental health struggle.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Jerry was actually and maybe I misinterpreted this, but when
she was writing in her book, it sounded like she
maybe like there was a part of her who wouldn't
mind talking about it so that other people could feel
better about it, but then at the same time also
didn't didn't really like her private life being so there
was this like dichotomy, Like she thought it was something
that more people should talk about, but at the same

(35:32):
time she was sick and tired of everything about her
life being broadcast. It's sort of that.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Thing where, yes, you don't want your life being broadcast
against your will, but you don't want your struggle to
be treated like it's something shameful, right. You don't want
your struggle to be treated like it's something that needs
to be hidden, but it is something that is private
and deserves privacy. It's like, it's not something that is
will bring shame to the family, but it's also nobody's business, right.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
But in saying this also it's like, yes, Ruby not broadcasting.
That is like, well, that's you know, it's none of
anyone else's business. But at the same time, this is
the same woman who when they hit a million subscribers
that whole day Ruby was live casting until they got
to a point where they ought to a million. That day,

(36:18):
Cherry was sick with strep throat or no, she ended
up being sick with mono, which because she said in
her book, like which was ironic because I wasn't actually
kissing anyone at the time, And it's the kissing from
like Sharon drinks and stuff too. Yeah, that's how I
got mono. But Sherry had been live streaming the whole day,
including live streaming Sherry being sick and having to go

(36:40):
to the.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Doctor, which she was not stoked about.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
And like she was saying, there was like instances where
they weren't on camera where Ruby would be like, you
have to look sicker for the camera.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
God, yeah, imagine.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah. And then when they hit a million subscribers, she
had been driving and live casting. Yeah yeah, sorry, live streaming. Yeah.
I think it is called life casting somewhere, but I
don't remember where. Okay, anyway, Yeah, she was live streaming,
and she pulled over to the side of the road
and like started crying and saying how thankful she was
for everyone watching them, and how she could how it

(37:16):
was so moving and appropriate meaningful that they hit a
million subscribers while she was doing like the little things
for her family, like running errands and taking Sherry to
the doctor and things like that. That's like, that's what
this channel is all about, Just me being a mom
kind of thing. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah, So Sherry's going

(37:39):
to therapy. She enjoys being able to go to therapy
and being able to speak her mind. At one point
in her therapist's office, her therapist is trying to get
her to open up a little bit more about certain things,
and Sherry ends up admitting that she really hates piano.
So at this point, Ruby is still making her do
piano lessons, and the therapist says, is this something you

(38:01):
want to talk about with your mom in this space
where it's safe. Because Ruby was waiting in the waiting
room outside for Sherry to be done, and Sherry Sarah agreed,
said yeah, I want to tell my mom that I
don't want to do piano anymore. Okay. So, because Sherry
kind of rightfully figured if she told her mom in

(38:22):
front of someone else, her mom wouldn't freak out because
of perception, Yes, you don't.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
This whole thing of like she won't cause the scene here.
Well that's the other thing is like maybe she won't
cause a scene in public, but then as soon as
you're a will her that's yeah, but continue please.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
But Sherry ended up telling her mom in this therapy
session like I don't want to play piano anymore, and
her mom was like, okay, then you won't do piano anymore,
and Sherry was relieved that that seemed to be the
end of it. Uh huh. They went home, there was
no blow up from Ruby by her to Sherry. But
then the next week, Sherry comes home and is like

(38:58):
trying to quickly eat so that she can gets to therapy,
and Ruby tells her, oh, you don't have to do that,
you're not going to therapy, and Sherry's like, what do
you mean, I'm not going to therapy and Ruby says, well,
your therapist says that you don't need therapy anymore, that
you're totally well adjusted. And Cherry immediately is like, is
this because I said I didn't want to do piano anymore?
And Ruby's like, no, it's because your therapist said you're fine.

(39:21):
And Scherry doesn't have any confirmation, but she's fairly certain
that that's not what happened. No, yeah, no. So unfortunately,
at this point, Sherry is pulled out of therapy and
she's in middle school having middle schooler thoughts and her
mother will not let her have like a snapchat or anything,

(39:42):
which for the age group that Sherry is in, it's
like everyone had a snapchat, Why don't you have a Snapchat,
and on one hand, Ruby puts it out there like
in public as if like, oh, I'm just trying to
protect my kids. Yeah, But what it actually is is
Ruby wants to heavily sense and control every aspect of

(40:02):
social media. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
She doesn't want her kids to be saying things that
she's an authorized to exactly.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah. And Cherry ends up befriending this boy who she
has a huge crush on, who she knew her mother
wouldn't approve of because like, I don't remember if he
was ex if his family was ex Mormon at this point,
but his parents were divorced, which was a big no
no for sure. So she's kind of sneaking hanging out

(40:29):
with this boy. She stealthily puts Snapchat on her phone
without her parents knowing, and is like really good about
like anytime her parents want to see her phone, she
like has everything deleted, so like she's constantly like deleting
and re downloading things and like deleting text messages so
that her parents can't see anything. This boy ends up

(40:49):
being like her first kiss, and she it's like very
sweet the way that she writes it in her book,
Uh huh, this is a thing where this is an
old maximum of like strict parents don't make well behaved kids,
they make sneaky kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And this is
an example of Sherry being a sneaky kid. Now around
this time with the family vog, Sherry is not the
only one who's sort of starting to resent the family vogging.

(41:11):
That's happening, But Chad, the second oldest and the oldest son,
is being more overt about his rebellion. He so overt
to the fact that, like Ruby can't hide it on camera,
Like Chad is doing things that are purposefully like running
into stuff that the family is doing. For example, a

(41:33):
big thing was that they end up getting this huge
partnership with Universal and they go to Universal Studios in Florida,
and Chad is like was acting up that day, and
they like left him behind in the hotel room. So
he just decided to get a lift and go by himself.

(41:54):
I don't know if you want to move her. Okay,
she was chewing at it, Yeah, she was just but
she's not gonna It's fine. And like they come back
from their trip and to the hell tier room and
Chad's gone right. So like this is something that not
only is super dangerous. But Ruby's upset because it threatened
their partnership. Oh boy, yeah, that's the reason to be upset. Yeah, yep.

(42:15):
So Chad is, you know, pulling pranks with his friends.
One of his and I don't remember when this was,
but like one of the bigger ones was like he
told his youngest brother that they're going to go to
Disneyland or something, but it wasn't actually happening. So he
got his brother up early in the morning to pack
and it was like, it's a prank, bro and his
parents were like super pissed off about that. I mean
I would be too. Yeah, that's not a great thing.

(42:37):
And Chad is like, yeah, that wasn't my best moment. No, yeah,
but it's it's it's very kid stuff. It's like, yeah,
you should punish your child.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
For doing that because it's a cool thing to do
their sibling, but also like that's.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Very much a kid thing to do. But unfortunately one
of the things that he did acting out is he
acted out in school as well. There was a bunch
of infractions that he had done. One of them was
like he meant to like throw candy at his friend
and up hitting the teacher instead, it culminates to him
like getting suspended, and I think it's around the time

(43:07):
when he gets suspended that they end up pulling Sherry
from her school to put her into Chad's school. Okay,
because they found out about snapchat ooh no, they found
out about the guy friend the books. I don't think
they were like dating, but there was like this boy
that she was she was into. Had she kissed him? Yeah,
they found out about that and immediately pulled her out

(43:29):
of school, which Sherry was like, but my friends and
her parents did not care. No, put her in the
same school as Chad, which didn't last very long because
Chad ended up getting expelled. Oof. Okay, yeah, and this
is around twenty nineteen. Instead of becoming better parents. Thing
is this is kind of the turning point. This ends

(43:50):
up being the turning point because Chad gets expelled and
Ruby is talking about the problems she's been having with
her kids in a church setting and one of her
friends at church says, oh, have you heard of this
therapist named Jody Hildebrand. Yeah, let's let's talk about Jody. Unfortunately, yes,

(44:15):
let's yeah, because so Jody Hildebrand. She got her degree
in two thousand and five I think it was, and
she ends up in two thousand and seven, she starts
she founds this group that she calls Connections COO NN

(44:36):
Capital x Ions. Okay, yeah, and that's her, that's her
like group. This is like Connections because she's also Mormon,
so she's big in the Mormon community. She's on like
a list of approved therapists for the Mormon Church. In
twenty twelve, she has a client that has moved his family,

(44:59):
his brand new family, like wife, a newborn child from
I think Arizona to Utah, and he's teaching or he
has a job at BYU, which, by the way, Kevin
is a professor at BYU, the Ruby's husband.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Yes, historically, for anyone outside the US, a historically incredibly
incredibly Mormon Brigham Young University. It's a private Mormon university.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
It's the education is apparently sound, but it is like
very Mormon.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yes, and they have conduct rules at the school that
are incredibly Mormon.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah. Anyway, she ends up getting this client and she,
during the course of being his therapist, accuses him of
being abusive. I don't think he was, but it's sort
of unclear, but she accuses him of being abusive. But
beyond that, she informs BYU and his church saying that

(46:00):
he's abusive, ruining this man's life, okay, and doing this
is obviously a huge breach of doctor patient confidentiality unless
it because therapists are what's the word mandatory reporters. This
was not even like if the abuse was real, which
apparently it came out that it wasn't. It was still

(46:22):
not something that was like mandatory reporting. But it was
against Mormonism code of conducts.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
So I mean to the point where I will tell
you she loses her license for eighteen months because of this.
Oh dang, Okay, So it like.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Definitely was not It was not legally sound, right, She
was acting against her her best interest, her client's best interests,
in her you know, code of conduct, as I actually
believe the therapist. I actually believe that, and it didn't
say in the articles that I was reading. And Sherry
ends up finding this out and telling Ruby, and Ruby

(46:59):
like kind of brushes it off. I think her form
of abuse was literally like, uh, he was a porn addict,
which she ends up throwing at men a lot during
the course of her career. She keeps even if like
they didn't actually have problems, she just keeps saying that
they're porn addicts. Interesting, Okay to her, a man who

(47:20):
was married looking at another woman is cheating.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Okay, we're talking with a female coworker. Okay. Yeah, there
is a huge thing where a lot of her former
clients have come out and said, like, a, she like
hates men for some reason. Yeah. One of that reason
might be the fact that at this point she is
divorced and estranged from her two children. So this is

(47:44):
there's a lot of personal stuff that's bleeding in here
for her. Yeah, this is It's wild to me how
some people can like get degrees in psychology and therapy,
because it's like I have.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Known in my life some incredible, we bad therapists. Oh
yeah that like also try to push religion on people.
And I'm like, how did you graduate? How did you
get a degree?

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Wait? What the hell? Yeah, I mean essentially they got
a degree in manipulation, yes, which is absolutely what Jodi did.
But after there so spoiler alert for the end of
this podcast, the Jody ends up getting arrested. But after
the arrest and after everything had kind of publicly blown up.
A lot of her former clients ended up coming forward,

(48:31):
and so in this article from biography dot com, we
have former Connections clients have denounced Hildebrant, and one has
actually filed a fraud lawsuit. In the wake of her arrest,
Connections clients have come forward to criticize the program. Men
have said Hildebrandt diagnosed them with addictions to sex or pornography,
issues they didn't experience before seeing her. She also encouraged

(48:53):
spouses to separate for these reasons. Former patients Stephanie Jones
told twenty twenty that Hildebrant instructed female clients, Oh, your
husband looked at porn. Have him sleep on the couch downstairs.
He masturbates couch, does it more than once? He should
move out? There's yeah, there's like a gross especially in Mormonism,
but it sounds like, especially with this woman, like a.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Gross demonization of sexuality. Yeah, and that's I guess not
exclusive to Mormonism.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
That's a lot of religion. It is. A former client
named Michael Tillman filed a federal lawsuit against Hildebrant, Ruby
and Connections, and the suit says that Connections sold fraudulent
services such as leadership training programs that cost thousands of dollars,
and the suit also claims that Connections encouraged clients to
participate in child abuse. We will get to that. Oh boy,

(49:39):
ha ha. Tillman's daughter suffered from sunburn's injuries and dehydration
while with his ex wife, a follower of Hildebrandt's who
is also named in the suit, and Tillman seeks millions
in damages as well as an injunction to keep Connections
from operating. The website still exists, but I'm pretty sure
there's nothing going on. Is that one of those situations
where it was like lock your kids outside if they

(49:59):
do things? No? Oh oh, no, okay. So Ruby takes
this advice from her friend in the church to heart
and decides to reach out to Jody about Chad, and
so Chad ends up becoming one of Jody's clients as
a child, and Jody says, well, Chad's behavior is pretty bad,

(50:25):
so you should send him to a camp. God. Yeah, which, unfortunately,
as far as my research has gone, is still operating
these like kid reformation camps, sort of like kidnap you
in the night. Jesus christ. This one's wilderness therapy.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
That whole concept is so predatory and so messed up.
I've I've watched so many documentaries of people trying to
recover from their experiences and places like that.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yep, because of Chad's troubled school life getting expelled, I
mean I would call that troubled. Yeah. Yeah, Jody suggests
that he'd be taken to a wilderness camp in Arizona.
The wilderness camp is called a Nazi a na an
Assazi Anasazi. I think okay. So here is some information

(51:18):
about Anasazi. Their program, which was developed by Larry Olsen,
the same BYU professor who inspired the industry's beginnings in
the nineteen sixties, alongside his most promising student, Ezekiel Sanchez
of Teutonic Nation in Mexico, is considered the industry's gold standard.
Their curriculum is peppered with inclusive and motivating language, making

(51:39):
an ask and growing a seed of greatness, using variations
on local indigenous belief systems to create a social system
set apart from the suburban backgrounds the kids come from.
So it's abusive and appropriative. Yeah. Brian and Liz Hawkins
of Utah spent thirty thousand dollars to send their son
to Anisazi as his drug usage and contentious attitude was

(52:03):
not changing in the home. As part of the program,
they also had to undergo therapy and learn how to
better communicate with him. We chose Annasazi because they work
with the parents. Brian Hawkins said, if we don't change
as much as our child changes, it's probably not going
to work. You can't expect someone else to just fix
my kid. It doesn't work. You have to change the home.
The Hawkins's were recommended to Annisazi by a friend who

(52:25):
transports children to and from treatment facilities, and the Hawkins's
now feel optimistic for the first time in a long time,
and their son feels like he's on a good path,
having detox from drugs and stepping away from negative influences.
He feels that he now has a real relationship with
his parents. I like the wilderness types of program because
he has ADHD, so having him stuck in a dorm
type situation at the residential facility wouldn't have worked for him.

(52:48):
Liz Hawkins said, you have to do your homework. We
asked our friend who had all this experience, because you
could do a lot of damage if you picked the
wrong one. Liz Johnson sent her son to Wilderness Therapy,
and although the program did not ultimately save his life,
she believes wilderness there gave him a second chance at
a full and productive life before his passing. Okay, here's
the thing about the Wilderness camp. Chat insists that he

(53:08):
actually had like a fairly good time. But the way
he talks about it, I'm like, oh, buddy, because the
way he talks about it is it sounds like he
enjoyed his time with the Wilderness Camp because he was
away from his mother. Oof. Okay, he said it was
the most free he had felt. Oh bud oh oh boy. Yeah. Uh.
Annasazi in particular like emphasizes like putting your children in

(53:32):
the wilderness and being like fend for yourself. Okay, yeah,
so you can see where the sunburns and dehydrations start happening.
I mean, like the way that they were talking.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
About it, like they're saying all of these things that
are true that whole Like you can't just expect the
kid to like change and give it or the parents
have to do some work too. The whole family and
the home needs to be you know, worked on and
improved for their relationship to improve.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Yeah, and like they're like, oh, we did our homework,
because it sounds like they're saying all of these things
that should be green flags. Yeah. But then yeah, the
whole idea of like all right, then we're gonna dump
these teens in the woods and figure it out.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Kids, that's not safe for saying, no, it's not.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Especially in Arizona where heat is a problem. You can die.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
You can die, you can get a heat stroke and die.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yeah. Also not super shocking that this is another Mormon
led program, but anyway, other children who have come out
of Anisazzi have said that like they felt it was abusive,
especially the fact that they were just like thrust into
the wilderness and kind of forced defend out on their own.
They felt like their lives were in danger, which is understood. Yeah,

(54:52):
and it's sad that after everything Anisazzi is still like
not nearly as bad as other ones that we have
we have read about on a No, yeah, there's some
absolutely horrific ones, but still terrible. Yeah. Yeah, so Chad
ends up going to this wilderness camp. I think they
try and keep it off the channel for a bit
and eventually like people are like, hey, where's Chad, and

(55:13):
Ruby and Kevin admit that, like, well, Chad is going
to this program because he needs help because he is
a very troubled kid because he's been acting out at school.
He's been expelled. They and Chad ends up doing his
own kind of mini vlog while he's at the wilderness
camp to show like, yeah, I'm good, which again he
says he has good memories of it, which is fair.

(55:34):
I mean, you know, he's to guests.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Do Yeah, It's like, I mean, I'm glad that he
had a good time. I'd rather that than the alternative.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Yeah, And you know, once again, I do feel like
it's telling where when he talks about it, he says like, yeah,
it was great to not be around my mom, and
it felt more freeing than seeing a home. Fighting for
my life in the wilderness was better than being at home.
What does that say? Yeah's not great. Jody ends up
staying as Chad's therapist and now is also a therapist

(56:06):
to Ruby and her husband Kevin. Huh, and Ruby ends
up becoming like a huge part of Connections. She ends
up training to be a life coach, which I have
a lot of thoughts and feelings on uh huh, and
she ends up basically becoming Jody's like right hand woman,
and Kevin is like the post of child for like

(56:27):
how a husband should be to the rest of the
men in Connections. Chad comes back. They Sherry is very
wary of Jody. She's looked her up. She's just not sure.
She tells Chad to like be careful because she's really
not sure about this woman. Chad tells her, like, it's fine,
don't worry about it, because he's a child, right. And

(56:51):
Cherry ends up deciding that she wants to start her
own YouTube channel, and she asks her mom for help,
and her mom is like, no, you have to do
it yourself, just like I did. Because like she asked
basically to like, hey, can I like link to the
eight Passengers YouTube channel?

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Right, It's like no, No, I'm allowed to profit off
of your life and your doings, but you are not
allowed to profit off of my work profiting off of you.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Yeah. She tells Sherry that when she's made YouTube partner,
then she will link it. Then she will start linking
it to the a Passengers channel. Wow Jesus Christ. And
that ends up happening. Like Ruby ends up having like
a birthday party for Sherry where she gives her like
ring lights and things like that for her birthday, and

(57:35):
on camera, because this is obviously being vlogged, everything is yeah,
Sherry says, Oh, it's because I have my own YouTube
channel and I just made partner. And then she's really
excited that she'll be able to start making her own money,
but of course not on camera, but off camera, Ruby
tells her, well, no, you have to pay me back
for helping you. Oh my godness, you wouldn't have gotten
to this point without my help.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Right, despite the fact that I refuse to help you.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Ruby's parenting mantra is also I'm your parent, not your friend,
which on the surface is like, okay, that's fine, but
it extends into Sherry just trying to like connect with
her mother and do things with her mother, yeah, and
her mom just shutting her down, be like I'm your parent,
not your friend, and I won't be your friend until

(58:20):
you're an adult. You can you can spend time with child, yeah,
without being their friend quote unquote yeah yeah, god yeah imagine.
And then March twenty twenty happens, and another thing about

(58:40):
Mormonism that makes them pre So we talked a bit
in the beginning about how Mormonism kind of predispositions people
to become family bloggers because of the whole encouragement to
record everything. Yeah. Another thing about Mormonism which we won't
get too deeply into today but probably could be its
whole topic. Mormons are susceptible to being doomsday preppers. Yeah.

(59:03):
I feel like that's a lot of extremist Christian groups. Yeah. Yeah,
so twenty twenty ended up being a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Ruby and Kevin were the pandemic.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Of it all, very convinced that the Second Coming was happening. Okay,
Ruby started becoming a bit of a prepper mom, so
she would vlog about, you know, prepping food and things
like that for when the Second Comaning was going to happen,
because you know, we have plague.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Did she not say that they ran to get rapture.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Yeah. I guess what it is is that things happened
before the rapture. I'm not a Christian. I haven't read
the Bible, I haven't read revelations. Mal might have more
insight on this, I don't know, but apparently there's still
things to prep for before rapture happens. I guess.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
So yeah, okay, I mean they're still.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Here while like the pandemic and the civil unrest is happening,
I guess, so, you know, but Ruby is absolutely convinced that,
like the Second Company is absolutely about to happen. When
Kevin interviewed for the for the documentary, he was like, well, yeah,
we were absolutely convinced that this was the end times. Yeah,

(01:00:09):
which I can see that. I was gonna say, like,
I get I get it, and that's something you already
believe that is going to happen eventually. I can see
being like it's now, it's now, I mean, and to
be fair, a lot of people died, like yeah, it
was a horrific time. A lot of people are still dying.
Yeah yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so one of the consequences of

(01:00:33):
the pandemic, all the kids are home, the family vlogging
is now happening even more consistently, and now they're all
kind of confined to a space they can't escape it.
And this actually ends up being a detriment to Ruby
because she also cannot hide things easier. Yes, yeah, so

(01:00:54):
what happens is part of it is also they end
up getting a new video editor ended up posting a
video that highlighted something that Ruby probably didn't want highlighted.
In a video that has since become like the marking
of the downfall of the Eight Passengers. Ruby's talking to
her son Chad. We've talked about Chad's problems in school

(01:01:15):
and his sort of prankster and troublemaker attitude on camera
with Jody. Chad ends up admitting that he's excited because
he finally got his room back. I remember this. You're
having his room having been taken away for seven months
and he had been sleeping on a beanbag chair in

(01:01:36):
the basement.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
I remember this video and her response to him saying
that is so awkward because she like tries to laugh
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
She laughs it off and says, oh, I don't think
our viewers knew that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Yeah, And it's like trying to be like, oh ha,
you weren't supposed to say that, but like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Like hell leaves it in, but she can't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Not like yeah, also, it's still left it, which is wild.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
It's not so much so that she's like you shouldn't
have said that. She actually is fine with it to
an extent because her thing is like, well, we hadn't
announced this to our followers yet. This is an awkward
way for them to find out, right, But as far
as she's concerned, she's just showing the world how to
be a great parent, right. Sheherry talks about how, you know,
before all this happened, when they were still fairly popular,

(01:02:21):
there was a point where like Sherry doesn't want to
be vlogging anymore. She feels like it's too much. She's like,
I'm going through an awkward teenage preteen years. I'm getting
zits and I'm sick and things like that, and that's
all being broadcast the world and I fucking hate that,
which is like mood oud mood uh. And at one
point Ruby will show her like correspondence from fans that'll

(01:02:44):
be like one in particular was this woman saying like,
I've been watching your videos. I'm so I love your
videos because I had a troubled family life and I
feel like I'm finally seeing what a real family is
supposed to look like. And because of your channel, I've
decided to be baptized into Mormonism. Oh great. And these

(01:03:06):
are the kinds of things that Ruby keeps showing Sherry
to be like, you need to keep doing this because
we're really making a difference. Look at the positive impact
we're making. Yeah. Yeah, So that comment from Chad ends
up making it into the final video. It's something their
new video editor sees and thinks, oh, this will be
something that we can highlight because it'll cause a conversation.

(01:03:27):
Which he's not wrong. He did do that. He did
do that. It certainly did do that, but it ends
up angering a lot of people. Yeah, not only the
fact that Chad got his room taken away, but that
he had been sleeping, but like most importantly that he
had been sleeping on a bean bag chair for seven months, right,
Ruby were spawning in a public part.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Of their house, like in a room that like a
living room basically.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Yeah, And to try and like damage control it, Ruby
comes out and is like, oh, well, he chose to
sleep on the bean bag. Like he had options. There
was like a couch and there was like an air
mattress or whatever. He chose the bean back because he
said it was more comfortable, which I'm like, you're digging
yourself in further. Yeah. There is also a point where

(01:04:10):
Chad ends up posting to social media that he's happy
to have his room back and a picture, and people
notice like, hey, they took the door off of the room.
I hate parents who do that. Yeah h yeah. So
Jody is telling Ruby like, no, you're a good mom.
You gotta double down. They end up retaining a lawyer

(01:04:32):
who tells them like, you need to post an apology yeah,
and Ruby refuses, says no, I've done nothing wrong and
outright refuses. They end up losing like ninety percent of
their revenue over a month. Jesus like immediately, because not
only does this happen, but after this video is put
out and people see it, a lot of other people
who are not necessarily fans and who have just been

(01:04:53):
like waiting for their downfall. Which I don't know how
I really feel about that either, Like I know there's
a lot of people out there who are like against
family vlogging and want to bring down family vloggers. But
then there's also this sense of like, you're also kind
of part of the problem because you're still like feeding them,
feeding them and expoke because one of the things that
Sherry says is like, yeah, a lot of these brand

(01:05:15):
deals that we used to get are now distancing themselves
from us because we're now toxic, but we're still getting
money because the people hate watching us are still generating revenue.
Some of the videos that people end up highlighting where
there was one video where their youngest daughter, who was
five at the time, was like had gotten her a
hold of a pair of scissors and ended up cutting

(01:05:36):
something up, and so Ruby brings out her favorite stuffed
animal and says, if you cut one more thing up,
I'm cutting off its head.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Traumatic five year old, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
There is another time of they're gonna go to the
movies and Ruby is like filming it and I think
it's the second oldest daughter, so it's one of the
miners because it goes like Sherry Chad and then there's
four other kids, two boys, two girls, so it's three
and three okay, And she ends up being like put

(01:06:14):
your shoes, Like Ruby says, put your shoes on, We're
going to the movies, and the daughter asked, well, what movie,
and Ruby loses her shit Jesus crazy, like how dare
you question me? I'm trying to do something nice for
you and you're responding so ungratefully, and then she like
calls the babysitter to try and get the babysitter to
come over, because like the whole family's going except for

(01:06:34):
her because she was being ungrateful. The babysitter doesn't answer,
and now Ruby's upset because she can't leave her at home.
She's recording all of this, and she ends up getting
to a point where the daughter where she like also
records the daughter like apologizing to her, And Sherry says
that this is sort of a common thing, even behind
the cameras, where it's like the kids will just do

(01:06:55):
everything they can to placate Ruby.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
How deluded do you have to be to just be
like I can show the whole world this, yeah, and
it's fine and no one and I'm right about all
of it. Like, how far I know she's getting validation
externally for this behavior. She's being told that like it's
by Jody. She's being told that this behavior is just
by Jody. There's also a lot of fans who are

(01:07:20):
like so well behaved. Yeah, there's and also like the
structure of the Mormon Church as well, Like there's a
lot of you know, people who are backing up this
incredibly toxic, strict behavior because it's framed as like tough
love and how absolutely rotten in the mind do you

(01:07:41):
have to be to be like I this is good
to show everyone there's a worse one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
I'm not surprised. So and the final thing that I'm
going to talk about before we move on, the last
video that ends up retroactively going viral, which you'll probably
recognize because I also remember it happening. Ruby ends up
filming herself talking about how her youngest, her five year
old daughter, went to school without a lunch because she
didn't pack it herself and she's in charge of packing

(01:08:08):
it herself. And the teacher called and said, hey, can
you drop off a lunch for your youngest daughter? She
doesn't have one, And Ruby tells the teacher, Oh, she's
in charge of packing her own lunch. She told me
she had packed her lunch, so if she came to
school without one, that's her fault. The five year old.
The five year old, Yeah, And she tells her viewers,

(01:08:29):
you know, I know the teacher was uncomfortable with it,
but this is how we teach our children to be
responsible for their actions. And you know, hopefully she'll you know,
she tells the teacher like maybe a friend will share
their lunch with her, but tells her viewers, I hope
she doesn't so that she learns a lesson, but she's
like she justifies it by saying, like, well, I told

(01:08:50):
her she'll have like a nice yummy snack when she
gets home, but that her not having her lunch was
her fault. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
The five year old? The five year old, the five
year old.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
This is a video that retroactively ends up going viral
as people point out like, hey, this is abuse, and
the Frankies actually get CPS called on them for this. Good. Yeah,
nothing happens, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Not, but like you know, at least people were recognizing, hey,
that's messed up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Not only does CPS get called on them, but a
change dot org petition ends up going up and gets
like eighteen thousand signatures for CPS to take the children
away from Ruby and Kevin Frankie. Have there been an
incidence where a change dot org petition actually did anything?
I don't know, Yeah, because like I get the sentiment, yeah,
but I don't know if a single instance where a
change that org position actually like affected anything. Yeah. I

(01:09:39):
can't think of money either, Yeah, but yeah, and then
that starts the downfall, not only the downfall of the
Eight Passengers YouTube channel, but also if you thought if
you thought Ruby was bad before, this really starts in
on her mental spiral downwards and her dependency on Jody,
which ends up as a huge detriment to the rest

(01:10:01):
of her family. O fa do fa. Yeah, and that's
what we'll stop for now, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Well, from this so far, it's the same takeaways that
I've always had about this kind of situation, where it's like, hey,
family bloggers kind of messed up, kind of messed up,
where your entire focus on like how you make your
money is about exploiting your children's lives, is about talking

(01:10:28):
about your kids, making them the focus, making like how
you parent them to be the focus of your entire
income stream.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Yeah, that's exploitative of them and also does irreparable damage
their mental health. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
But that there's also this whole part of it where
like when extreme behavior, because you even mentioned this, where
like the editor highlights that bit where they're talking about
the sun not having a bedroom and having his bedroom
taken away from him as a punishment, Yeah, and being

(01:11:06):
forced to sleep on a beanbag chair in the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Of the house. You had a choice, Christina, Yeah, totally,
this whole bit. A bed wasn't one of those choices, though,
if you'll, if you'll, if you'll, Yeah, it's this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Whole situation where it's like the fact that that extreme
behavior is generates a lot of views and a lot
of income. In a sense, it rewards her and it
incentivizes similar behavior.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
And that's the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Is like, when extreme behavior is rewarded as opposed to,
you know, purposefully like you know, negative consequences coming from it,
it just incentivizes people to be worse.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Yeah, it's gross, it's gross. Stop doing that to your children.
Family bloggers should not. Yeah, what if you didn't what
if you didn't broadcast your children. Here's the thing. If
you want to be a mommy blogger and just talk
about mom and shit, sure there are people who talk.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
About their experiences of parents who do not focus their
children on the videos where it's like their children don't appear,
their children don't appear in the videos. That's fine, Yeah,
because they honestly shouldn't. I don't think that kids should.
And like, there's an argument to be made about kids
who put themselves on the Internet. Sure, but also like
a that's sort of their choice would be they don't

(01:12:25):
have the capacity to truly understand the consequences of those
actions because like they don't know, they.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Don't have the life experience to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Weather the storm that could come from that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
I was a kid on the Internet. I didn't put
myself on the Internet, but I was on the Internet.
I turned out okay, but also debatable to some people
for both of us. I think I did great. I
don't think I did. I'm pretty sure the ADHD and
anxiety came before I was born with that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Yeah, the ADHD part, at least the anxiety at way
my parents are I mean, I was born with anxiety
and ADHD the genetic I'm just saying that the Internet
did not wreck me, no, thankfully. Yeah, But there are
protections that should be in place against gross people on

(01:13:13):
the internet for children. Parents should be aware that putting
your kids on the Internet, even if you're doing it
in a very controlled, safe way, still can be a
little weird gross for them. But if you're centering their
lives and ignoring their.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Privacy and wishes because that's how your content gets made,
it's like, hey, you're explaining your kids, what if you
didn't do that. Loathe of me to ever give Kim
Kardashian credit for literally anything. However, she did do that
whole thing where her oldest North I believe is the oldest,
wanted a TikTok and she's thirteen, so she's technically old

(01:13:55):
enough to have her own TikTok, And Kim decided she
was gonna let North do her own thing on TikTok,
but she was going to heavily monitor it. And that's fair. Yeah,
which I'm sure there's more to it that Kim fucked
up on, because let's be honest, that whole parenting dynamic
Jesus Christ. But like that in and of itself is
fine because like your kids are going to get on

(01:14:15):
the Internet. It's gonna happen regardless.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Well, what's the whole thing with like where you're talking
about like Sherry having Snapchat and it's that situation where
like you should be willing to work with your kid
about the things that they want to do, but you
should also have safe insane boundaries and like things that
make sense for why you're protecting them or behaving this way.
Like if you just outright ban something that your kid

(01:14:42):
wants to do. Yeah, and you don't properly like make
them understand.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Why it's not a good idea. Yeah, then they're gonna
do it anyway without you, and probably not do it safely.
Here's the thing. When I ended up going to college,
I was seventeen. I ended up going to college. My
parents were not ones to be like, I'm outright banning
you from this thing for generally speaking for stuff. They
weren't like, you can't do that. Ever. I had drunk

(01:15:09):
alcohol before in front of my parents, Like they'd give me,
like I don't know, like a half a glass of
wine with dinner for a special occasion, because like that's
fine and is actually in most countries legal in a
lot of cultures.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Yeah, like kids can drink alcoholic, Yeah, there's there's not
some cultures don't have minimum ages.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't like this is something like this
is verboten. I was aware of marijuana because most of
my family used it. It was something that my mom
was very open with me about. This is what it does.
It is not a gateway drug. Like some people are
just predispositioned to addiction. And just so you know, you
are predispositioned to addiction because of your family genetics, so

(01:15:49):
you need to watch out for that. It wasn't like
you are absolutely forbidden. It was like, I need you
to know these things that you are aware sure, and
because of that, I like, I went to the doctor
recently and was like, when's the last time you had alcohol?
And I just stared at her and I went, I
don't know, and then I and then Mal was like,
remember when we went out with the coworkers in December,

(01:16:10):
And I'm like, so like six months ago. And it's
like when I went off to college, Like, sure, I
did stuff with you know, I did the college shit.
But I didn't go off the rails like a lot
of my peers did, because I wasn't like all of
a sudden, no longer under strict parenting regulation right now.
I had those in the first place.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
All of these things that were like taboo or to
some were demystified to you. Yeah, yeah, you didn't like, oh,
it's this like forbidden, secret thing I'm finally getting to do.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
It's like, no, this is whatever, Yeah, this is just
a thing I'm already aware of. I'm already somewhat aware
of my limits. Although you know, still a college kid,
still made really dumb choices. But I wasn't really ever
in a super dangerous situation because my parents were very
cognizant about like making sure that I was aware of

(01:17:00):
my actions. And to prove more to your point about
Sherry and Snapchat, when her parents found out she had
downloaded Snapchat, they took her phone away and gave her
like a dumb phone, like a flip phone. But Sherry
ended up knowing where they were keeping her iPhone like
away from her, and she knew like the safe combination
or whatever, and she would just like when they were gone,

(01:17:20):
sneak into their room to check on her snap stories, yeah,
before putting it back. Like the girl was so good
at being like getting around her parents' rules because of
the strict rules that they set upon her, to the
point where in the next episode that we're going to
talk about, I'm gonna give you a quick content warning

(01:17:41):
for grooming. And you know what, if they had, you know,
said yes, you can have a Snapchat, but we need
to make sure that you're safe with it and be involved,
they would have known about that. They would have known about.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
That because for banning something without giving a good and
reasonable explanation.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Why just makes them do it in secret? Ruby? Yeah,
Ruby and Kevin's attitude towards parenting and toward their kids
drove Sherry to get groomed by an older man, and
we'll talk about that in the next episode. A body
All right, Well, thank you Chylife for this first part.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
For thank you going into the depth about this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Thank you to Sherry Franky for her book The House
of My Mother. Thank you to the YouTube channel Rotten
Mango for their series on them, and also to Swoop
for her series on them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Both both Rotten Mango. I've heard like slight controversies about
and whatnote.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
There's a lot of controversies about Swoop as well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
There's everybody's got some controversies, but they the content we
will acknowledge.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Yeah, thank you, thank you for your content. It was
really helpful. Swoop was actually the one that I found,
but she ended up like in her first video was
like immediately referencing the Devil and the family, So I
ended up watching that first before going through all the
all the YouTube content. So yeah, very good and Rotten
Mango actually ended up having a lot of stuff that
like the documentary and other people didn't, so I'll get

(01:19:08):
into that in the next part. Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Interesting, Yeah, I also recommend for you, Chelsea, if I'm
sure you were a fundy Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
I love fundy Fridays. I just hadn't watched there. You know,
there's so much good. There's like a fuck ton of podcasts,
even about this whole ordeal. There's a lot of content
out there if you want to know more. Yeah, it's
a lot. Yeah. I watched Swoop because she actually ends up.
She goes hard on family vogging. She fucking hates family

(01:19:37):
vloggers and I'm like girls same Yeah. And then Rotten
Mango had some stuff that wasn't as popularized other places
but had been presented to the public that it was
easier to bid up to watch their videos on it.
And then of course both the documentary and Cherry Frankie's book,
I wanted first hand accounts from stuff from the family yea,

(01:19:58):
their side of the story and how they are telling
their experience. So yeah, that's where almost all my information
has come from. Very good, very good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
We are going to move on to the final section
of today's podcast, which is correspondence and corrections. But before
we do that, let's have one last word from our sponsors.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
So let's start with the Blue Sky. The Blue Sky
with Christina's Nightmare. I want to say this is from
mailman Dan and uh melon Dan says I had to
see it, now you do too. And it's a picture.
There's a caption says, every decision in your life has
led you to seeing this horse.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
And it's an image of a horse, which is it
has human feet, human feet on all of the end
of its legs. And I do want to say that
the horse with feet is horrible, not as bad as
a deer with hands.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
I don't like it. I want that to be known.
Were you ever able to watch BoJack Horseman? Yeah, oh, okay, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Different because BoJack Horseman is just like a horse head
on a human body. And also the animation style doesn't
try to look realistic, all right, So like that's fine,
it's it's doing its own thing. I don't find that
unsettling unpleasant to my experience, the horse with feet is
horrible to look at, and I don't know if anyone

(01:21:18):
would disagree.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
I've told the story on this podcast about the old
Honda Odyssey ADS, right, I think so so Honda odyssey
had these ads of like a family in an odyssey,
but it was dogs, but they were dog heads on
human bodies and then they had hands. My mom fucking
hated them. But see, my dad sold Hondas and apparently

(01:21:40):
Honda had these window decals of the dog family and
he kept putting them on my mom's odyssey that she had.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
That's psychological warfare. I think that that's a crime under
the Geneva Convention conventions. Sorry, peorl Yeah yeah. Naimondon also
says conspiracy theory.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
This is about. This is not mam mandan. This is
American rando. They just had my apology where they do
in fact, cup you guys match, yes, sorry, this is
American rando. Conspiracy theory. The cops tried on the hat
because they knew the thief was another cop and they
were getting a cut.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Honestly, could very well be bela This is about my
topic about the three hundred million yen robbery that I did.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
There's an email we got that had the same theory
that it was a cop.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Yeah, I mean honestly that you would need insider information to.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Be able to pull that off.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
But my whole thing is, like them faking a motorcycle
cop is.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Not a little on the nose. They don't want the
they don't want the motorcycle trace back because they don't
have to leave it at the scene.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
I know, but why not figure out a different way
to take the car as opposed to I mean, I
guess maybe that's just.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
They know exactly how to quote unquote impersonate a motorcycle cops.
I guess they are one. Yeah, that's fair, you know,
I can't say you're wrong. Yeah, we never figured out
who it was, so could be a cop. Bank Space
Is eighty four also sends a video which is uh
Tokyo Metro Police, and it is a clip from Scooby
Doo two Monsters Unleashed where Scooby is like, it's like, oh,

(01:23:06):
let's put up and look for clues. Scooby's trying on
all the stuff. Yep at perude says high Ladies, Adrian,
your Bummersville animal mortician here in regards to this week's episode.
Dogs do have types, but they are completely different from
human ones. They are dea one point one, one point two,
et cetera. But they behave similarly to human blood types,
and we use them for transfusions too.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
That's good to know. So you would be able to
tell it was dog blood. Yeah, okay, because you'd be
able to be like, oh, okay, this is not a
human blood type.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Yeah. Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Interesting and also blank Space City four sends us I
believe a book recommendation by Kimberly Lemming. Kimberly Lemming is
the same woman who did that time I got drunk
and saved it emon delightful.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
I've read one of her works and I got abducted
by aliens and now I'm trapped in a rom com
a novel. Delightful there, I'll probably read it. Excellent, lions
and dinosaurs and sexy aliens, O. Everything you could want.
I love Kimberly loving. She's delightful.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
It's one of those things where she is unrepentantly being
like these are my in a in a different but
similar way to Chock Tingle, where it's like, this is
what I'm about, these are my works. I'm not I
am not hiding or trying to be ashamed of any
of this.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
And it's like, you know what, love your boss, love
your bliss, speak your truth. But let's go into the emails. God,
for that shall I read you an email I would
love for you to read for me an email. I
think literally got one while we were recording Chelsea. Shall
I read you an email I would love for you
to read me. So this is from Kelsey and it's
about episode three eighty five.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
All Right, Hi, mal Hi, Sorry, high pals, mouths and
furry friends. Great episode, and I feel like I've had
some perspective. I can give lifelong Nebraska here living in
Tornado Alley in a triple landlocked state. Not only does
my husband have a meteorology degree, but my best friend
from high school married a PhD student in meteorology at OSU.

(01:24:58):
So I'm surrounded by experts. I'm smiling and nodding a
lot because I went to school for English and teaching mood.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
I'll be mood because you know science. There's a oh
swear I was prompting, thank you, I'm prompting you for
this swear.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
I need like a soundboard. We've talked about this. Yeah,
if I ever go on a chase. It's funny because
we went to the movie Twisters on a double date
with my friend and her husband. Cue me listening to
them nitpick the details. But then waiting till the end
credits to see them exclaim, oh, I know them when
a colleague came up.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
That's kind of that's kind of great. I get to
do that for movies too. It's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Now to the actual point of my message. After the
tornado and its damage, there was an outbreak of deadly
fungus after it. It was a rare flesh eating fungal
infection known as oh god, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Cutaneous necortizing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Mucor micosis. Yeah your micosis. It infected thirteen and ended
up killing five. There was an episode about it from
mister Balin's Medical Mysteries podcast. It is also something that
led to deaths When soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq were
injured by IEDs.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
The shrapnel and dirt would be embedded in the wound.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Soldiers would be slightly immuno compromise because of various battlefield factors,
and the fungus would make things worse.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Also, the being in the bath.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Of advice in a tornado, I think that comes from
the fact that I'm not everyone has basements. If you
don't have a basement, they say you should go to
a central room. Fur this way from the windows a
lot of times that is a bathroom, crass space, et cetera. Actually,
where my friend lives in Oklahoma, basements can't be built
because of the soil. It's very similar to the southern California. Yeah,
there's a whole thing. A lot of housing California done

(01:26:38):
have basements because the soil is not conductive to have
it one.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
Usually there's also just like there isn't a meteorological I
can say meteorological yeah, reason for Californians to have basements.
So like there, it's like, yeah, they don't. But atticts
are actually a big thing in California because they don't
have basements. I guess I mean a.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Lot of houses have addicts. I would argue most houses
have addicts. Yeah, that's probably true. But no, we don't
usually need a basement for safety reasons, like somebody might
in a tornado prone area. But also you don't there's
reasons to have a basement other than like.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
There's reasons to have a basement. But also Californians are
especially southern California, and in a lot of years are
more subjected to flooding.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Yeah, which is why we don't have them.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
Exactly what I'm saying, yeah, there's a few reasons for it.
I can see the idea of putting a mattress on
top of yourself in a bathtub to protect yourself, but
there's always a few that if a tornado hits a
mattress soggy from the rain, will just make it harder
for first responders to get to you. Few. That was
a fun one.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
Now finally I have a correction or just a comment
about MoU's comment about being able to perform marriages slash
be a priest.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Slash et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
I know that you can get certified to perform marriages.
I did for my little sister's marriage. My husband wants
me to get investments and stuff, so supportive. Generally, pastors
slash ministers slash priests in a more official capacity aka
having a church and a congregation have a lot more
require more requirements than just kelsey off the street wanting
to perform a marriage. Eight years of post high school

(01:28:08):
study are usually required to become an ordained priest. Candidates
for the priesthood often choose and to enter at a
college level, then go to a seminary, et cetera. A
lot more theology and old biblical languages than it's pretty fascinating.
I hope all as well with everyone, and that you're
protecting your mental health during the time of wildfires and
crazy people getting elected. This is from January of this year.

(01:28:30):
Oh boy, at least we're in this year. Now, We're
in this year. Now I can send pet tacks of
my giant fluffy boy casts seventeen pounds of spoiled ray tabby.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
I love the work you do. Keep it up. Thank you.
Send all of the pet tag.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
We love pet pictures a lot and we want to
see them. But this is good information about a recommendation
for finding more about that incredibly disturbing flush eating virus.
I mentioned on this podcast several episod ago that Netflix
had and Chelsea mentioned it too. I think before that,

(01:29:02):
Netflix had come out with a documentary about the Twister.
One of the people that they spoke with and interviewed
in that documentary was a victim of the flesh eating
bacteria infection and was a survivor of it and talked
about his experience being in the hospital and how it
affected him and just hearing about that, I'm like, that's terrifying. Actually, Yeah,
flesh eating bacteria scares me.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Same, it's up there with pyons. Yeah yeah, prion diseases,
fleshing bacteria hate them, no, thank you, And like both
of those things are like the last of us disease
kind of in a way, yeah, kind of. Do we
have time for one more? Yeah? I mean we had
a pretty long intro, but I said, go for it,
all right, let's do one more. So this one is
from Josie Josie, and it's called tornadoes. Hello.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
I grew up in Tornado, Ali before moving out west,
Joplin was only about three hours from us thanks to
the new Madrid fault line had both tornadoes and earthquakes.
Oh boy, the less powerful earthquakes. When then we get
out west, the last big quake on the fault could
be a possibly cool historical topic up Chelsea's alley.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
By the way, just to add on, I forgot to
mention this. The whole twenty twenty is the end Times thing.
Utah ended up having like a five point three earthquake oof,
so that was more evidence that the end times were coming. Yeah,
I forgot about that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
We had school or drills for both earthquakes and tornadoes,
and I remember living through both the super scary Western weather.
Thing that keeps me up at night is that we
have fire season out here, way scary than the earthquakes.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
We also have fire greed.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Buddy, As Southern California residents, we're not that freaked out
about earthquakes as a concept.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Fires are much scarier. I mean, Northern California deals with
that shit too. No, yeah, California. I'm just saying we
are speaking as Southern California. You and I live in
southern California, especially after this January.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
One thing to note is that tornado watchers and warnings
are not the same and are treated very differently by
those that live in areas and get them. A watch
mean that conditions make it possible for tornadoes, but not
that there are any around yet. Everyone suspected to go
on with your day as normal when there is a watch.
A warning is when you need to find shelter, preferably
a basement or a windowless room. As Christina suggested, go

(01:31:09):
to your bathroom if you have no basement. Bathrooms were
where we'd all crammed.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
In if there was a warning while you were at school.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
You don't have to get in a bathtub, but there's
usually isn't a lot of space and bathroom, so you
might find yourself in the tub.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Anyway, if your whole family is crammed into one makes sense. Yeah. Yeah,
When I.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Was five years old, we were caught unaware by a
tornado and I will never forget seeing a funnel cloud
rip an oak tree out of the ground as my
mom was dragging us into the cellars. This it is,
to this day, the coolest and scariest thing I've ever seen.
And I've seen a volcano erupt but I was older
and further away, so it was less impactful. Sorry for
the rambling book and any grammar errors, but tornadoes are

(01:31:44):
my special weather fixation, so I had to write in
after hearing your episode.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
Thanks for the podcast, Josie, I understand that we get
special fixation.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
We understand we know what it's like. Ye, So that
is more tornado discourse.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Yeah. The similar the thing with the like watch.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
And warnings is very similar to speaking again about fires.
We have a similar system where it's like, if it's
a fire watch, it means hey, there's one in the area,
or conditions could be you know, conducive to starting a fire.
But a fire warning is like Hey, you need to leave. Yeah,
there's different levels. So that's all we got for today.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
Thank you so much everyone who emailed us. We love
when you do that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
If you want to talk about your experiences with something
that we discuss on the podcast, if you want to
talk about any corrections that you may have to the
things the thing we say. Sometimes we just spout speculation
or like our misconceptions about something and we really appreciate
having correction, firsthand experience to correct those misconceptions. Love that

(01:32:45):
when that happens, So feel free.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
To send us your messages. You can email us at
Cultucrypteds Conspiracies at gmail dot com, or you can reach
out to us via our social medias. We have a
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you can find us at our website, cult scriptidsconspiracies dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Or if you want to, you can start your own vog,
which is just talking about life and your experiences and
maybe as long.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
As you are an adult. If you're an a, I
mean I like teens make vogs, just be safe with it. Yeah,
I'm still wary about any minor. I think that's fair.
We're not going to recommend that a minor do one,
but it's not like you're committing a crime. Be aware
and be wary, you know. Yeah, safe, take precautions, be

(01:33:36):
logical about it. Everybody's talked to a therapists, but make
sure they're like good. Yeah, Like I got a therapist.
Her name's Chloe, and I love her. I'm glad. And
she also has never tried to, like, you know, induct
me into a religion, into a cult, or tell me
that I have a sex addiction, which would be wild.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
That would be wild, that'd be for me wild.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Yeah, but no.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Yeah, get yourself a good thing. Therapists you vibe with
and who doesn't make you feel like crap? Yeah yeah,
love that, Love that for everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
For everyone. We'll be back next week with more and
until then, goodbye, Chelsea, Bye Christina, buye mal I can
still hear his voice

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