Episode 406: Let Them Grow Grapes (Part 2 of 3)

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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hi, Christina.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hey, Now, hey Chelsea, how's it going?

Speaker 3 (00:30):
You said my name first, because almost keeping you on
your toes. I thought it was because I'm sitting in
Chelsea's chair.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
You are sitting in Chelsea's chair.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Comfy, se Chelsea chairs.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Commented the sack, which is fine, She's still the sack.
I'll suffer hellot for this sack. We worked hard to
get this sack.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Actually, I mean I certainly you did to get it
up to this room.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Well, but we have it from work.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
I know you.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
You gave us all.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
The play by play when you originally required the websack, Yes,
acquired words words I now.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Require it is a requirement. Now you can't go back.
But hi Christina. Hello, I'm very excited to finally hear
about the Japanese Man in your Japanese Man story.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, yep, he is going to be more in it.
He's gonna be more sounds.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
So it's not like I'm unsure I know how much
he's going to be in it. I'm just like, I'm
sorry to disappoint you because it's still mostly about Thomas Harris,
God damn him. Part three, which will be the final part,
is going to be about nagas gotcha, because I mean,

(01:39):
he's in it, He's in this one more, he's in
this one more.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
At the end of the third episode, you're like, and
it was his cousin, And it was his cousin, and
that's just it. It's like, oh, and.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
There's like two paragraphs no that would know he's a
major player in the story. He just becomes more of
a major player later in the story, all right, because
I keep finding interesting things to talk about from the
beginning part of it, before stuff happens. That's we were
in the intro though, that's that's later.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
There was still sometimes to get through.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Potentially probably not, but there is anyway, Moving on question,
you just came back from a wonderful convention I did.
I wanted to give you the floor in case there's
something like something that happened that you wanted to just mention.
Or the Anime Expo a funny event.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
You should tell the listeners about the Horny panel.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Oh, the Genchin Impact Thirst panel. Yeah, it was funny.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Why I'm not a fan of anime really, Or you
watch Delicious in Dungeon. I did watch Listiens in Dungeon,
and I loved I loved it honestly, but not a
fan of Genschien Impact. But I would absolutely go to
a Gngchinen Impact Thirst panel. I would go to any
thirst panious. It's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, I mean, I don't really play Genson Impact. I have.
I have dabbled. I've impacted. I dabbled, if you will,
for more than I probably should have.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
That's just the way.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Did you spend money?

Speaker 3 (02:53):
I think I spent ten bucks okay, yeah, just to
see what that was like after those I'm not a gambler.
Is the thing I think is what hit me? Or
made it not hit me? I guess yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, it's a it's a gotcha game. It is a
gotcha game.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
For those of you who are unaware, Genschen Impact is
a Chinese gotcha game, which means there is a variety
of characters that you can acquire through chance. You can
spend money to increase your odds of getting certain characters.
Certain characters are better and harder to get. Factually, they're
they better stats than others. Certain characters are just yours

(03:26):
that you're like, oh this one is mine. I love
this little borbo, this is my little baby girl gender neutral,
and I'm gonna write or die with this character, and
people get very attached.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
I am not immune.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
I don't play the game, but I'm not a I do.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
I do have a favorite.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
It is Riseley from the Fontaine region of Benschin Impact.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
I know.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I was like, there's nothing. He's on water bottle.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Oh he's this guy. Okay, he's this dude who's all
over my water bottle. Okay, this man cute. I love
this man. Yeah, this this is my son.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I love him.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
But the Thirst panel, the.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Thirst panel, So I went to anime Expo. You are
allowed to have panels kind of for whatever.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
My god, his name is terrible. That's yeah, his name
is like thirteen letters.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah it is not You would not guess that's how
it's pronounced him because he is based off of an
actual person sort of.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
He's loosely based off of an actual person who that
was their name. I fuck that.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Hey, you know what stole a lot of people? So
told me at the gongsin Thirst panel. Yeah, so I
learned at the gongin Thirst panel, as if I didn't
already know anyway, So you can have a panel for
whatever at anime expo, and after a certain time of night.
You can especially have a panel for whatever because if
it's after like nine pm, they just let you anything

(05:00):
you want. And so for a goof my friend and
I were like, oh, we should go to the eighteen
plus gens and Thirst hour panel because the description of
it is just people. It's just said that they were
going to be horny and unhinged about their favorite Genschen
characters for an hour. And me and Bitter thought that'd
be freaking hilarious because it is because it is. And
we went and it was it was for adult women

(05:24):
being like unleashed, unhinged. There is a power point. When
we walked in, I told Mall and Chelsea this already,
but when we walked into the room, it was packed.
It was literally full. We had to sit in the
back and Bidder was like, Oh, I didn't expect there
to be so many people. I didn't expect them to
be this many men. And I was like, there's so
many like freaking hot ladies in gensin Impact, it's like it's.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Like eighty percent hot ladies and Dutch empacre. It's like
when you're in your bubble, when you're in your queer
friend bubble, you forget that the hot ladies are not
there for the lesbians.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah and which, but that's not true though. They are
there for there.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
They are there for the list, there for everybody.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, the comrade, these are our hot ladies, our hot ladies.
So but it was the announcers. The panelists apologized to
the crowd and said, I'm so sorry to everyone. A.
We were only expecting like ten people to show up,
and B we have of ninety percent dudes in this PowerPoint,

(06:22):
so sorry men. And then like forty percent of the crowd,
including many men, were just got up and we're like yeah,
and they're like, okay, cool, and then proceeded to be
like the most horny that a human being can be
while still being legal to be outside.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I think it was touching go there for a bit though.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
It was literally though, but another Some highlights were that
the woman who was running the panel had made her
horny power point on her corporate laptop, which she was
also using to present it. One woman, there's a character
now you may know d Luke. At the very beginning,
Yeah yeah, hot red, hot redhead. There was one woman

(07:02):
who half.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Her power point.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
His legs are toned.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Okay, He's not even the tallest anymore.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
He He's not even he was for a time. He
was for a time.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Times have passed. Riseley's taller.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Anyway, I'm learning a lot about this man. By the way,
I don't mean to distract you, but there's three pictures
of his face and it's like happy, sad, angry, and
it's the same picture. Yeah, but I looked and no,
it is three separate pictures where there's minute changes, there's
time changes, but nothing about his face changes.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
That man has committed double homicide. No wonder, I'm attracted
to him like this guy.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
So the one woman half of her her PowerPoint section
was about how she commissioned a horny self insert de
Luke Art and her sister tried to show it to
their mom, and in the effort to get her phone
back from her sister, she dissocated her knee. And so
it was her journey of like this is how do
you exeend me to the hospital? And it was hilarious.

(07:59):
The whole panel was very good. At the end of
the panel, they had an open mic and bitter again
who was with me was very afraid of what was
going to happen At the open mic because she's like,
oh no. Periodically through the panel, the weaklings have culled
themselves from the herd. The left, the straight men have left.
They cannot hack it. Some of them, I'm sure, stayed,
but there are many left catatonic. Maybe they or just

(08:22):
like an ally Yeah, yeah, it could just be a
bro Yeah, there was actually no Sorry, that was really
funny because again Riseley was in the PowerPoint. It was
people's favorites. When Risley showed up.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
There was much, much much rejoicing.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
There was much rejoicing. I was validated. I was like, yeah,
but the dude behind me was very clearly only there
with his girlfriend because his girlfriend wanted to go. And
Bitter and I were listening before the panel started. We
were eavesdropping on their conversation, and she was like, you
know some of the characters, right, and he's like, yeah,
I know some of the characters. And she's like, so, like,
you know, you think some of the dudes are hot,
and he's like, yeah, some of the dudes are hot,

(08:57):
but like in that kind of way where he's just
like knowledging objective attractiveness and it's like a personal investment.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, not he wants Riseley, right, just like, yeah, guys
are hot.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Sometimes some guys are hot.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
And she's like, who do you think the hottest would be?
And he was like Riseley probably, and she's like what
about this guy? She's like no, Riseley. And she kept
doing that for like about like five solid minutes. She
kept like naming characters and he was just like, no,
Riseley's hotter. And I was like yeah, I'm like god, yeah,
this man, he knows what's good. Anyway, It's funny open

(09:30):
mic happened. Bitter was very worried because she was like, oh, no,
is somebody going to come up to the mic and
be unchill? Like, is somebody going to come up to
the mic and just like ruin the vibe? Right answer, No,
everyone was on point, even the straight dudes who remained
because they walked up and they're like.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Who we think has the largest thighs and gets an impact?

Speaker 1 (09:46):
And then the ladies on the panel were like nauvia obviously.
And then the eyes will crush my head and that
was the energy that was brought. And then there were people.
There was a guy next to us who had a
fan with one of the characters on it, which he
kept snapping loudly.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Whenever somebody made.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
A point he liked, and he yelled yes, girl constantly
love him. It was hilarious. The vibes were immaculate. It
was really funny. I had a great time just listening
to people be their truest, most unhinged self.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I don't think. I don't think Navi.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Oh No. The thing was.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
The thing was somebody also made the comment was that
Navia they Hoyoverse were cowards. They should help people who
made the game Hoyoverse were cowards. They should have made
her thicker because she's supposed to be French and that's
what she deserves. That was the point that the panels.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Everyone's nodding Sageway.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
The video game makers need to make U their female
protagonists hot. Yeah, because right now they just focused on
tits because they want the gooners.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
But like mass appeal, give those ladies them thick thighs
and that fat ass please GT you please the Chelsea straight.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
I can't honestly as her husband, I.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Also, I have known her for over a decade, I'm like,
Chelsea's not straight.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
I don't know what to tell you. The only straight
one in this room. Yeah, but like I'm I'm not
really interested in playing GTA six, But I appreciate rock
Star for giving us a thick latina as a protagonist,
and like part of me wants to support that, but
another part of me doesn't want to buy a rock
Star game. So like it's you know, we'll see because

(11:32):
it comes out next year. But thank you rock Star
for giving us the thick latina that we deserve. Thank
you for your service, Thank you for your service. I
just wish that more games would because the Gooner game,
the Stellar Blade game, I'm like, whatever, it's fine. She
just has giant tits, thighs, thighs. You gotta make it balance, Yeah,
you gotta make it balanced. As someone by the way,

(11:53):
I found out this week I found on Instagram there
was this post that said if you if your cup
size is between like a thirty D and a thirty
four D, then your your boobs are about the same
size as your brain.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
But if they're bigger, then your boobs are bigger than
your brain.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
I'm just more boobs than brain. I have.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
I just associated. First second, I'm sorry, I was. I
was looking upgainst the impact characters just seeing like I
don't know who you are, I don't remember this. There's
a lot of new ones. There's a lot of new ones.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
There's a lot of new ones. And like, it's fine
if you want your lady's boobs to be bigger than
her brain, but she gotta have the thighs to match.
That's all I'm saying. They gotta be load bearing. They
have to be load bearing thighs.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Load bearing thighs. That's something deep to think about.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, this is the energy we're bringing in today's podcast everywhere.
This is as a video game expert on this panel,
I am telling you developers that the thighs, you gotta
give them thick thighs. I'm how's moving Chelsea's microphone away
from her face, just.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
You know, to help me at it later. That's all.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, that's all.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yes, my time at Anime Expo was not just people
being horny. Surprisingly, it did.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Make me be like, we should go to the romanticy
Ball Con in La We should.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
But what I also learned from that panel was that
they will give you free badges to the con if
you are hosting a panel. So now I'm like, well,
how do I hoste and what do I talk about?

Speaker 2 (13:24):
So that's me.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Next year, we could do a podcast panel at Anime Expo.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
We could decide a parlor book is manga?

Speaker 3 (13:34):
We could decide we.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Said manga means that I think you would be banned
from anime expert.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
That's fair, that's fair, It's ok.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
She said the whole chest, said with her whole chest.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
But you know what, I respect it. Thank you a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Only a little bit, only a little bit, but there
is some respect there. That's what I got. Welcome everyone
to Colt's Cryptids and anime. It doesn't start with the
C but I don't know. I could say cartoons, but
that's too broad. Yeah, because we're specific, I say cons.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I guess con.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Most cons have a similar energy. It's great, like a fan.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
I love that energy.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
And any CC is too big, it doesn't have that energy,
and it's become too corporate. Yeah, it's become.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
We needed to be smaller. We need to go back
to our roots that I like Emerald City. We need
to go back down Miss City Comic Gun. That's a
good one time.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
But yeah, if you were in the Los Angeles area
and you go to anime conventions, there is a non
zero chance that I will also be there present almost
a chance. There's a lot I don't go to I
spend too much money. Yeah, do you guys want to
see my.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Whole Did you get any get anything for the games
that I sent you? Did you find anything?

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Maybe I did. You will find out on your birthday?

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Oh fairy, my birthday passed. I have to wait till Christmas.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Okay, there's another gift.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Giving holiday in between now and your next birthday, just like.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Oh, I guess, fuck me, I suppose did you just
get up.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
To stretch, fart and then sit back down? Don't we all?

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Don't we all been there? Honestly?

Speaker 2 (15:10):
I am sending now and Chelsea the hall pick oh
boy in.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
The group chat load.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Oh honk honk, Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
There is a lot to unpack here. There's a lot
to see. It's beautiful. I see some Castlevania.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
There's some Castlevania in there.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
I see I see some Delicious and Dungeon season two.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yes, I see the Star Trek poster. That's pretty good. Yeah,
there's some Star Trek in there. Listen, there's a variety is.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
That ear rings in the black box in the center.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
In the center. Probably I did get some earrings.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yes, there are left.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
There's one that's just Dice. I think that's Dice.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
I see a lot of Rizon.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
There is a lot of Riseley. Do you want to
close up of the Riseley section because I took close
up picks? Sure?

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, why not?

Speaker 1 (15:55):
There is in fact an entire section of the hall
that is just ricey.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Oh you're sure? I see is also from there?

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Now. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
I like the pink sweater you got, well, like fake
sweater with the boom window. It's very good.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Oh my god, there's some fur in there. There's some pothecated.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
It's got a boom. It's a whole heart.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
I think that's a heart cut out.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's cute. This is very awesome.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
There's a little very I love the stickers. I love
the stickers section.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Every thing is like I used to love going to
Comic Con, but then I started going to other conventions.
Now I'm like, I just want a convention with a
good artist.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Ally anime impulse, I know, But the thing is, I'm
not an anime person and.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
To l too. Wait, we can make a weep out
of you yet.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
I see the thirst photo in the back which one.
Oh yeah, yeah, no, that's a phone, stant I approve
that's that's for my phone. There are some things where
I again I'm just kind of like.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
A little gremlin laugh. You've got that. I just love
that that. There's that one thing, the acrylic stand that
you guys have in You're Dying, And I'm like, oh,
of him on a leash. Yeah, the asexuals bought this
because I find it funny. Yeah, it's great. I listen.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Human sexuality is incredibly entertaining to me.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
I like how you you.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Watch human sexuality as if you're like Jane Goodall.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
With with like an a an anthropologist.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
And here they are, they're a natural habitat.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
But I'm also giggling. And then we also have a
podcast where we talk about romance stories.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
And then I get mad because there's no wooing.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
There's wooing in the book. For next month, we'll find
out did you start it? We'll find out Okay, I
did start it.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yes, we should go into the main topic podcast because
before we go into the main topic of the podcast,
I have one thing I want to say. Well, let
me introduce the actual podcast before you do the official stuff.
Before you you do the actual like sometimes that I
know is burning in your heart. Let me say that
this is cold scripteds and conspiracies, And I'm sorry, listeners,
We're gonna be serious and real now, I promise we're yappers,
But now we're going to talk about cold scriptis and conspiracies.

(17:54):
We're going to talk about things that are mysterious, things
that are strange, things that are unexplained, things that are
explained but are still weird. Things that are you know, bizarre, occult, historical, modern.
Sometimes a future, like maybe three out of four hundred
is about the future. But mostly we did do the
big bounce. That was fun for me. Mostly it's just
about us talking about things that we find interesting.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
And today is.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Part two of what will be three parts for my
story about a cult that started Napa wine Country. Right
but before that, Chelsea, you have the floor.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Before that, we have a segment of the podcast that
we call the Bummers will sometimes where we give updates
on past topics we've done, updates on topics we plan.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
On doing in the future. Are just general things that fall.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Under the purview of cults, cryptids, and or conspiracies. And
this week it's a big one because we have a
Jeffrey Epstein update two. We do Malinsered episode here.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
And that would be episode one.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Because after the MAGA idiots voted in the Great Orange
Turd because they were like, He's going to release the
client list this week, Trump's ag said there's no client list.
Actually it doesn't exist, and so now there's a lot
of infighting and it's real fun to watch with popcorn

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if it wasn't for the fact that also our country
is burning.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Our country is on fire, it is being destroyed from
the inside, and especially us in LA.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
It's not been a great time, no, but it is something.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Freaking videos of those those uh ice agents of like
send to the park on horses and tactical gear, so stupid, Yeah,
what are.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
They like, are you even doing it? There's nothing happening,
We're not doing in there. Crazy, stupid, fucking stupid.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Anyway, so yeah, Alex Jones cried on camera about it
because he was so upset that they're they're obviously lying.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
I can't believe the leopards are eating my face. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
So and not only that, but Pam Bondy said that
the client list was on her desk and now she's
like it doesn't exist or and.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
I mean, it sure doesn't exist anymore.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
The funny part of it is that some of the
Q idiots are actually coming out and being like, wait,
but there was a client list and now they're saying
there's not a client list. Does that mean Trump is
on it? And I'm like, yeah, we've been telling you
that again. That's a known fact.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
There are pictures of them together, and now there is
a long and documented history of their relationship. We knew that,
and it took until this moment for them to be
like wait, and I'm like, you fucking idiots. Yeah, And
it would be funnier again if we weren't suffering the
consequences of it.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
I like to.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Imagine a fun situation where like, I know that they
if there was like a physical list, there probably was
like digital whatever, or if there was actual files, they
burned them or shred them around. They also released the
video of his jail cell, like the door outside of
his jail cell that had the camera on it the
night that he committed suicide, and there is straight up

(21:08):
just like a minute missing yep sounds right from the
release video, and everyone's like, did they not think we'd notice.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
And someone pointed out, it's.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Like, no, they knew we'd notice, Like they did it
on purpose. They're taunting us.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Like they think they either a think we're stupid or
B are trying to tell other people like this is
what happens. There's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Man up the vibe a little bit with some fun news. Yeah,
yesterday a new life form was discovered.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
In the ooze in a boat.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Ooh, there was a bit of a boat that was
gummed up by ooze. I believe it was off of
one of the Great Lakes.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Hold On, I have this.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
I need to know so much more about them.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, I know, hold on, this happened. This was discovered yesterday.
There was a ship on Lake Erie that had bits
of there was like a maintenance issue and they came
out and they found like there was goo in the
right oh, and they were like, we should clean the
goo and it was They didn't know what it was

(22:06):
because it wasn't like mechanical goo. It wasn't like, oh,
here's some Greece or whatever. This looks like organic goo.
So they got some people out to look at it
and they ran through DNA testing a They were surprised
because there was like living bacteria in it and the
area that it came out of was had no oxygen
in it, so they did not think anything living could

(22:26):
be in there. But there was in fact a living
biome in the goo, And then they ran the DNA
to see what it was and there were no hits.
It did not come up on any DNA registry that
they had access to, so they're like, this is possibly
a newly discovered life form in this goo.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
That's cool. And guess what they're calling it? What ship
goo zero zero one?

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Incredible.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
It's just ship goo. It's just ship goo. It's just
ship goo.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Ship happens ships.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Goo zero zero one. I've always been fascinated by life
forms that don't conform to like what our understanding of
how life forms need to survive. Like, so silicone based
life fascinates me because like when I was growing up
and i'd be in science class, I was fascinated by science,
but in a very like creative writing kind of way

(23:19):
because of who I am as a person. So my
thing was always like they wo'd always be like, oh, well,
these are the things that a planet has to have
in order to maintain life. And I was always like,
but why that's that's what we need and that's what
things on this planet need. But what what if in
another planet they figured out a different way to live?

Speaker 1 (23:36):
And it was just like that was always my things.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
There's a book about that, about about water based life forms,
not oxygen based based life forms. Well, but that's still
like there's oxygen in water, right, but they don't use
the oxygen. It was called the Hail Mary. It's about
a scientice.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Go to watch the trailer for Hail Mary.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
It will spoil so much of the movie.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
When they do that, it spoils so many good twists
of the film of the story.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Don't do it. I hate when they do that. Yeah, anyway,
so that but that always fascinated me. It's very cool. Yeah,
the whole idea. So that's why it's like, even though
it's like a conspiracy thing that we've talked about on
this podcast with a silicon based life form, I will say,
the idea of it is still fascinating.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
It's not so much of the conspiracy thing is like
a speculative thing.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Well, it was a conspiracy thing when we were talking
about flat earth because they're very obsessed with the idea
of like the silicon based life forms on flat Earth.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
I will say that because the reason why we chemically
believe that silicon based life can't exist is because it
is similar in structure to carbon. Yeah, because we are
carbon based, and so silicon based life would probably still
need water, I think, okay.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
And would still need oxygen.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
You just wouldn't necessarily use carbon as a building block.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, I mean just as it still Cone based life
is just like an example. But like, I'm also fat
because like, oh, venus couldn't sustain life because it's airs toxic.
I'm like, but what if there's something out there that
lives off of that toxic air?

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah, that grows from that, I mean, mold and fungus
grows in certain conditions. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, there's a certain fungus that only grows in radiation zones.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
So the radiation, Yeah, that's right, loves that radiation minds away.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
That's that's always fascinated me. But that's what we got.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Let's move on to today's podcast episode, which again is
part two of my story, and uh, we'll have a
brief word first from our sponsors. You both know how
I usually start these part twos, which is me asking

(25:50):
what do you remember from part one?

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Well, I'm gonna tell you right now. Nothing.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Okay, I remember a lot. I remember there's this sky.
He's incredibly religious, but he gots and gets into this
beef with the other guy who he was really close to,
because the other guy was like, we should all have
affairs and then Thomas was just like, I don't think so,
bro actually, and then they splintered off. There's a lot
of disagreements. But then he went to this like weird

(26:15):
retreat resort and he was like, what if we all
had God's air? And like huffed it really really hard
because there's too much sex, funking, the breathing thing respiration.
You're going to tell me how, and hopefully in this episode,
how the breathing of God's air happens. Because I said
it's just swamping spit, right, But apparently that's not what
it is.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
It's not making out with God. You're not making out
with God. I mean, in a way, we're all making.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Out with God.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Oh that was you got some of the broad strokes. Yes,
we were discussing the life and times of Thomas Lake Harris,
who began life as a I believe he was a Protestant.
Camera he became a Universalist minister. We did get an
email about that, talking about how universalism is a specific
sect and about how it is different in a lot

(27:03):
of ways, and I was like, that's on me for
not looking up much about universalism.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
I mean, it's also on me because I'm like, I
don't fucking know.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, this is the folly of Like it was a
throwaway sentence in my notes, but then we just started
talking about it separately, and then I say, we are
as people that I haven't researched.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Hey, none of us can be perfect. No, No, I
always love.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
It when our listeners will tell us corrections because they
are actually experts. That's away. That's always.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
We have a surprising amount of experts to listen to
this podcast, and I'm intimidated by you.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Everybody's an expert in something, and I love it. It's
so good.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
AnyWho, Yes, Thomas Lake Harris. He briefly dabbled in spiritualism
because he got really into the concepts that were proposed
by Emmanuel Swedenborg, and thus became good friends with a
man named Andrew Jackson Davis. They were best buddies, really
into spiritualism for a while until Andrew Jackson Davis had

(27:57):
an affair with.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
A married woman. He was not married at the time,
but what she was, and that's still bad.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
And the Harris was not about it, and so he's like,
spiritualism sucks, actually because the dude who is like the
forefront of it.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Slept with a married woman.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
And I am so serious about marriage, not about sex,
definitely not. I mean he's serious about sex in the
sense that he doesn't think you should have it. He
doesn't think you should have it if you want to
achieve spiritual enlightenment. He thinks that you can't be having
sex if you're trying to achieve spiritual lightment. A full
raw potato, one whole raw potato, eat a lot of
gram crackers.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
There was this, I think it was a Tumblr post
that there was like, do you think that, like the
asexuals before asexual was thought of to be a thing,
do you think they just thought they were like more
godly because they had no problem with resisting sex and
they were like, I don't know why everyone else has
this issue.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
I can tell you from my own personal experience, not
necessarily about the godliness. But but yeah, the rest of
it up until the moment where I was, oh, there's
a biological reason for this. I everyone was talking about like,
oh God, and I was like, I don't understand cheating, Like, yeah,
just break up with the person that you don't want
to be in a relationship with. I don't understand. And

(29:14):
very much so it's like, oh, everyone's like, oh, I
can't overcome my feelings. I'm like, that's weak. Why that's weak,
that's weak behavior.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
I have no problem with this.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
And then later I was like, oh, my experiences are
not universal. Yeah hah, but yeah, no, for sure there
were some asexual like nuns out there that were like,
I don't get why everyone's saying temptation is so hard
to resist. Yeah, and then they were shown some really
like really delicious.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Pasta and they're like, oh my god, Oh my god, or.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
In my case, several very shiny trinkets, and I'm like,
oh no, oh no, as my as my anime expo
hall will reveal I have a weakness for colorful trinkets.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Dash Con was also last weekend dash.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Con too, I know, I was so upset I couldn't
go to Canada for it, but they had a they
had a trinket exchange.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Everyone just brought shy it was actually it was the
crow exchange. Yeah, everyone brought shiny things. And I'm like,
we should do that at more con. We need to
go to dash Con if.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
They do it again next year, which apparently was a success.
So this is a conversation I had with Bitter. Is
the next one gonna be dash Con three or is
it gonna be dash Con two again?

Speaker 2 (30:19):
The sequel? This is a question that is a that's
a good question.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
I don't know any opinion about it.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
No, I don't know. I don't know. I was staring
at you, like what do you think? And I just
got some come to the sequel is what I'm gonna
call it.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Okay, all right, it's already called dash Con.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Too, Yeah, dash conto.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
It just keeps being dash Con too because it's it's
a dash Con, but it's two because it's being done
by different organizers with the same name. So the original
dash Con happened in like two thousand and nine.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
I made a mistake. The original dash Con.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Happened like two thousand and nine, and it was like
a meme and it was horrible and it's never happened again.
I'm sorry, listeners, We're off on a tangent again somehow
who we are as people and they're never doing it again.
But different organizers are like, we're doing Dashcon again, but
we're going to make it better this time, and it's
going to be called Dashcon too, because we actually know.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
How to organize it.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
So the question Bidder's perspective on this was that every
subsequent dash Con is going to be a different number.
It's going to be increasing until we get to Dashcon
whatever infinity where I said that. I think it's going
to be dash Con two twenty twenty six, dash Con
two twenty twenty seven, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
I think dash Con.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Two is the whole name.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah, and the number is part of it because it's
like Dashcon the second, the son of Dashcon. I agree
with you.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Yeah, I'm just thinking of like, take out any spaces,
just slam all all of it together at once, just
gone to yeah, yes, yeah, it's not dash Con, it's
something else gone.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
And its contos.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
We will not know about the original Dashcon, but it'll
do so it'll have amagamated to just dish coon too
just gone to.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yes, yeah, it also be the name of a capital
of some weird new country because obviously it's in what
was once Canada.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Those those the Tumber girlies actually make Tumber University real
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, the Tumber.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Island whatever, those those things that those memes that went around.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah, anyway, back to what we were talking about.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Where were we I'm backtracking, Yeah, we were in the
recap God, Okay, So.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
We were saying Thomas went to the first Dame Harris Start.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
He joins a commune which is supposed to be making
a holy community in Virginia, which is a landing pad
for angels, and it doesn't work out because everyone's eagles
are too big and people start infighting, and he's like,
I'm gonna make my own community, except better, except with blackjacket.
I was gonna make the Blackjack and Hooker's joke, but no,
it wouldn't have either of those things. Yeah, maybe blackjack.
He I don't think he cared about gambling, but he

(32:44):
definitely no hooker.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
He's a cult leader who did not ask for everyone
to have sex with him. He did not.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
He was explicitly saying that's so weird to me, but
still I'm just so confused. So he then starts his
own commune, and and he gets I'll go into that.
We're kind of at that point where he's starting his
own commune, which I hinted before was called the Brotherhood

(33:11):
of New Life, right, So onwards from eighteen sixty one,
which is where we were the community that Thomas Lake
Harris grew around himself in Aminia. Oh and I should
also say we mentioned Lawrence Oliphant who had brought in
the young boy Naga Sagwa Kanaye, right, Nawa Naga Sawa.

(33:31):
I keep getting the syllables mixed up.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Nagasawa Kanaye thirteen, fourteen year old boy who was smuggled
out of Japan pre Meiji Revolution.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Meiji, that's not what it's called. I literally say it
later then you'll correct yourself.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
I'll correct myself later, Thank you. My brain was doing things.
He gets brought to the US to join this cult
by Lawrence Oliphant, famous ambassador, diplomat, zionist author The Quadruple
Threat question mark anyway, So in sense, sir threat anyway,

(34:10):
So he grows this community around him, Thomas Lake Harris
does in New York instead of the amassing a congregation
of sixty converts to his esoteric Christianity, including twenty Japanese immigrants.
So it's not just Kanae Okay, it's nineteen other guys.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
But are they also teenagers or are they older?

Speaker 1 (34:32):
They're all older. Nava Sawa Nagasawa was actually the youngest
of his group, okay. And he I believe was the
youngest member. Maybe not of the whole community, but he
was because again Thomas Lake Harris had children, but he
was the youngest member of the Japanese immigrants who joined.

(34:53):
And they embedded themselves deep into the town this community
was attached to. They operated a bank, they had a
flour mill in the e, and started up a vineyard.
Turns out Thomas Harris really liked wine. He actually encouraged
drinking it. He thought it was good for you.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
I mean, that's still a thing that people.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
It's still people the thing that people claim. They say
that some wine's good for you. It's like one glass
a day or they go back and forth on Yeah.
He also claimed with the wine that he grew was
filled with divine breath.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
So here we go we're talking about the respiration, the
divine respiration, about how everybody's breathing the gross bacteria filled, ill,
mortal air, and it's making everybody discussing and how we
need to be huff in God's breath again.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
To be better. He's not wrong for the modern age,
but back then you didn't have near well there was
still for sure.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
It was eighteen sixty. There was so much smoke in
the air, but they were burning coal left, right and center.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
So he claims that his.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Wine is the best because it is cultivated with God's breath,
and that means that all of these sins, full parts
of it have been removed. Okay, he's got the holiest
wine and it's actually good for you to drink. Sure,
which is his defense when a lot of like anti
alcohol people come and protest him.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, because this would have been happening.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Was this is before prohibition. This is before prohibition. But
there's still a large proponent of like teetotalers, okay, who
were like, you shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Alcohol is the addition.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
It didn't come out of nowhere, No, it built, it
built over time, for sure, and they were like, alcohol
is the devil and this is bad and how can
you be a Christian and have a vineyard, kind of
ignoring the long history of how Jesus, well, I'm also
just monks making alcohol. Yeah that's like a thing. Yeah

(36:43):
that is sortid storied in history. But anyway, he's like, no, no, no,
mine's holy. God bless this wine.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
God bless this wine.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
And so it's chill and like I kid, we make
jokes about him telling people that they weren't breathing, right, Yeah,
but I don't feel super bad about ragging on this
dude because he was claiming that his techniques are breathing,
would heal all illnesses and make you immortal?

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Okay, but what's the technique? I need to understand what
is to make to get it?

Speaker 2 (37:11):
That's the thing is, don't want to give it out
for free.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
I want to make fun of it, so like in
the podcast, But I can't do that if I don't
know how it works.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
But we don't.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
He doesn't tell us how it works because if he
told us how it works, and we'd have no reason
to join his cult.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah right, that's.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
The whole Internet for people to spell the secrets on.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
This was eighteen sixty Yeah, so this was actually one
of the things that drew Lawrence Oliphant to him the
whole like this breathing right will cure illness, doesn't make
you a mortal thing.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Right, because apparently Lawrence had syphilis.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Oh God, okay, and.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Harris promised that he could cure him of it. I
guess Lawrence was gung ho for a solution and was
willing to do whatever.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
To get it, including move to a comedy in New York.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Sure. I mentioned last time they met while Harris was
kind of doing a tour of England. So when he
was in England, he was preaching, and it was actually
Lawrence Oliphant's mother who went to one of his sermons
and was like, oh my god, this guy's so charismatic
and he's so holy, and oh my god, he's so cool.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
You have to meet my son. He loves Christianity.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
He just loves Christianity. And then they started talking. This
is how I imagine going down. They started talking and
they interrupted and he's like, oh my god, you're so
good with words. You're such an amazing poet. And Harris
is like, oh yeah, and I can teach you how
to breathe right to cure all illnesses, and Lawrence Oliphant
is like all illnesses you say, with his loins burning
is brain melting, because it's both. Yeah, So he was like, hell, yes,

(38:45):
I'm going to move to New York to join your commune. Problem,
he is in Parliament, so they're like, you can't do
that because you're a parliamentary and you're an elected MP.
You can't leave to move to New York. But eventually
he just does, Okay, he and him leaving ended up
being like a big problem. It was like a scandal

(39:06):
at the time because he just like dipped.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
On Parliament to go join a cult in New York. Yeah,
to cure his syphilis.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
So in eighteen sixty eight, Lawrence Oliphant recruited Nagasawa Kanye
to this original group, which was referred to I mentioned
before as the US, right, So this isn't aside. The
US was like it was referred to as the Brotherhood
of the New Wife, but the mission was the US, okay.

(39:38):
I kind of mentioned that later a little bit. But
upon his arrival there to this place, Olafont pushed Harris
to ditch Aminia and to set up his own utopian
cop because that was like they were attached to a town,
and he's like, this would be better if we all
had our own civilization.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
So what if we bought a plot of.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Land near Erie and we just set up our own community.
And Lawrence and his mother sold off tons of assets
in the UK and used the money to buy sixteen
hundred acres.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
For this commune.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
God damn, I know. And they called it the Brotherhood
of New Wife because that was what Harris was preaching.
He was essentially saying that this was going to be
a new start for humanity, a return to our former
Eden esque glory. Okay, everyone agreed that Harris was the
community's father, quote unquote, and that he should own all

(40:31):
the property.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Sure, I don't know how much of Like how I
don't think that was everyone's.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Idea, you know, no, everyone universally.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, everyone was like, you know what, Thomas father, if
you will, daddy, you should have all the property.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
We think you should own all the property.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
We should you should do that. That's as a white man,
ideously your position, you're better than us.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Well, I mean most of the other converts are also, Yeah,
they're all white men. Actually, forty to six year the
commune was female. Interestingly, but there was it. The majority
was white and the majority of the men were white.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
There was a small.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Group of Japanese immigrants, but yeah, it was. It's just
one of those things where it's like, yeah, sure that
everyone wanted you.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
To have all the property. Yeah, that's totally how that worked.
It is very.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Possible also that for Nagasawa, calling Harris's father was more
literal than for other members of the group, because I
saw in some sources that Harris actually adopted the young
Nagasawa as a son. Interesting though I don't know exactly
when that happened.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Again, he left Japan to go learn another country. I think,
adopted by a white man in America.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Basically, well, his family is the one that sent him
to go get an education. His parents are alive.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah, yeah, his parents exist.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
His parents are alive.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
They're funding him going out here to get I mean
he went to.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Cambridge for a year, all right, cool?

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Or was it Columbia? I wrote that I mentioned the
last time.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
One of those.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
One of those, so the primary business one is in
England and one is in the US. I will go
back and see what I said.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Cornell.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
It was neither of those. It was Cornell University. He
went to Cornell University for a year, but he was
most of the time doing the business of the commune,
which was agriculture. Oh boy, they were farming wine. Yes,
they're growing grapes, yeah, had a lot of those, but
also various types of produce.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
They were doing it all.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
They were full on till in those fields, all right.
All the members would work to grow food and then
they would sell it at markets or train stations and
road sides to make money. Sir rothther Conan Doyle made
a comment about the mental image of Lawrence Oliphant, former
member of British Parliament, selling strawberries on the side of
the road, which is.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Like, what a what a change in circumstance, what a change.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
So this evolved over time, much like the previous community
had to include other businesses. There was another bank, They
had a hotel, a restaurant.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
And a general store. They had a whole little like
pop up you know what those like little roadside.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Like almost tiny little shopping centers, but their town themed
that got a little bit of everything.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Now imagine if that was sixteen hundred acres Jesus.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
So do you want to guess if any of these
employees at any of these establishments were paid.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
I'm gonna say no, correct.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
No, because they're getting the divine breath.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Because they're getting the divine breath, that correct, Mault.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
They were sworn. They had sworn to surrender all of
their worldly goods to the good of the group.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
It was a I think it was called theosocialism where
it was like a socialist community based around theology, so
like all items are for the good of the group.
In a way, it's like not quite communism, but also
it's christ based.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Communism is not quite a dirty word in America at
this point.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
No, boy, do I love communism? Are you listing Fred
the FBI man? Boy, boy, do I love communism? Better
red than dead?

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Okay, so yeah, no, none of these people are getting
paid because they are in getting they're getting God's breath.
All work was done services of the group. That was
referred to as using, because again, the mission is the use.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
So if you're using, we say that. I just think
of that Emo band from their early aughts they used
Oh yes, I know of them. The mission is the use.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
If you are fulfilling the mission you were using, you're
doing it.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Good for you.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
God Bless, God Bless.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
In exchange, they got unfettered access to Harris and his
teachings about the true spiritual nature of the world, as
well as training on how to advance through the seven
stages of Divine breathing. That's right, it's not just one technique.
There are seven.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Stages of it that you have to go up the ladder.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
And apparently this is a thing that was noted again
by Arthur Conan Doyle that he said that the only
person to ever ascend through all seven stages was Jesus,
and then later said, but also me.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
But yeah, I was gonna ask, but also you, right.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
But also him he said that he was also on
stage seventh of the Divine breath. It seemed, however, that
not everyone was progressing through these stages for starters. Most
of the Japanese members of the cult left after the
Meiji Restoration. That's what it was called the Meiji Restoration,
which is when there was the shogunate was unthroned, dethroned,

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I guess emperor, the Meiji Emperor took over Japan and
reopened the country and thus begins the explosion of modernization
in Japan.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
The Meiji restoration, which leads us to the switch to
which leads us to the switch to.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
So as soon as they could safely return back to
their homeland, they did, bringing all of the knowledge and
experiences that they had learned during their education and time abroad.
Was also an interesting aside is because all of these
people now have like extensive Western education, could speak English fluently,
and we're very familiar with Western culture. A lot of
them became ambassadors. The newly opened Japan was like, we

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need foreign diplomats. You already know English.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Convenient, convenient, here you go, you have a job.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Hey, So a lot of them became ambassadors, except for
Nagasawa Kanye, who was like, you know what I want
to do. I'm going to stay right for here, man,
this is where I want to be. During his time
with the Brotherhood of New Life, he had gotten quite
adept at growing grapes and also very attached to Harris.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
I mean, yeah, he's his dad. That's his dad, that's
my dad.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
I don't know if again, I'm not sure if it
was a literal adoption or not, but at this point
Harris is treating him as his sons.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Like this is my son.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Up and his son, my son.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
The rest of his actual blood children do not appear
in this story. I don't know what's up with them kids.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
That's them kids. We don't care about them kids.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
I really wish I knew more about what happened during
this time. But by all accounts, Kanye was just like
happily working the Colts farms and studying at Cornell for
a year.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
I mean, good for it. Sounds like a good position
to be in.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yeah, apparently he was.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
He liked where he was, He was happy, he was thriving,
his face was moisturized, his crops worth growing. The eel
was bountiful. And then in the eighteen seventies, a rift.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Tore the community apart.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Oh, dear, I will say it was not between Harris
and Kanye. Okay, now Nagaswa. Somehow a beef had developed
between Thomas Lake Harris and Lawrence Oliphant.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Oh dear, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
I don't know what started this beef, and I am
deeply sad about that, because I desperately want to child
with anyone's wife.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Maybe they were both married, I don't know. I think
Lake Harris was on his second wife at this point,
because I think his first wife had died already. He
was on his second wife. He's really into being married.
That guy Oliphon's wife is in the group. I do
not know what caused the beef, okay, and no one
and it's remarked that no one knows, it's not recorded.

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If you listener knows somehow what caused the beef.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
I need to know.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Legally, you have to tell me or else or else,
because like, there are no sources that will remark upon
what caused the rift. They just mentioned a rift grew
between these two, these two bosom buddies. But I have speculations.
Maybe it was because Harris hadn't cured his syphilis. Maybe

(48:51):
dude was living with him for a few, like over
a decade, and it's like, why is the syphilist gone yet?

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Thomas, you said I'd have the divine breath and less
burning lines.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
My brain would stop melting, man, what's up with that?

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Maybe it was because Oliphant wasn't advancing in his divine
ascension studies. Who's to say, I don't know? It very well.
Could have been over money, because apparently Harris owed Olliphant
a lot of it. No boy.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
He owned him a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
So an Olifant got fed up and decided to leave
the group. He came collecting. He sued Thomas Lake Harris
for the money.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
That he was owed. Incredible.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Earlier I said that the cult had decided that all
the property belonged to father, and that was true, but
that didn't mean it was legally binding. Ah In fact,
the cult property in Brockton, New York, the sixteen hundred acres,
was signed to the group. It was signed to the
Brotherhood of New Life, not to Harris specifically.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Interesting, So Harris was the leader.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Of this organization, but he that doesn't mean he owns it.
It's like community property. So Oliphant took Harris to court
over it, claiming that it was his family's money that
had bought the land and he.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Should own it. In return, Harris tried to get.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
All the font committed to a saane asylum. Incredible, what
a play, how petty?

Speaker 2 (50:10):
What a move?

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Because of the syphilis? Who's to say so that did
not work? Can you imagine the audacity though someone tries
to sue you.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
And they're like, your honor, That man's insane.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
I mean, that man's insane.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Take him away, take him away, put him away. So,
despite all of this happening, Oliphant did not completely throw
out Harris's theology like Harris had done with spiritualism all
those years ago, he said. Quote of the situation, Oliphant said,
Harris was originally honest, greatly gifted, and possessed certain psychical powers,

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but in the end he came to practice unbridled license
under the loftiest pretensions, made the profession of extreme disinterestedness
a cloak to conceal his avarice, and demanded from his
followers a blind and supple obedience.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
So basically he's saying, this dude like comes off holier
than now, but he's getting high off his own supply and.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
He really likes being in charge.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yeah, and so.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
He's ragging on him and saying basically, Oliphant would go
on to continue to believe a lot of the things
that Oliphant preached. He just thought that the messenger was flawed. Ultimately,
in eighteen eighty one, it was decided that Harris would
need to sell the hundreds of acres and the businesses
on top of it to pay Oliphant back back back

(51:29):
block and then the colt would need to move, which
they did earlier. So it's like the court case and everything.
The timeline's a little messy because I got multiple sources
saying conflicting things.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Okay. For instance, they say.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
That the beef started and Oliphant left in I believe
it was eighteen seventy five, but the poll like paying
him back and the property thing didn't happen until eighteen
eighty one.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
So I'm assuming that the court.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Case just took a while, okay, because I feel like
that's reasonable. If I'm wrong again, listener, feel free to
tell me. The sources were conflicting on this matter. So
the decision to move was not presented to everyone as
being because of the lawsuit, Okay. Harris did not want
to just say that he had to sell everything to

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pay back his debt.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
To an ex friend now bitter enemy.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yeah, so he made it seem like this was his
choice all along. Of course, Oh, you know, our vineyard
just is doing so well, like Kanye is so good
at growing grapes, we should move somewhere where they'll grow
even better, or like, oh, the cold's just gotten too big.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
And there are too many.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
People who are like really into the mission, you know,
and I want to take only the best to form
a new group, a better group. The actual wording of
this last one comes from Harris's own diaries that were
revealed after his death. This man dies, I so God, God,

(52:56):
I'd hope. So the divine breathing did not in fact
keep him immortal. Sorry everyone, So what a twist. Though
after his death it was revealed in one unpublished manuscript
that he said, quote, we were alas loaded with incapable
and unfit or excellent.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
But very burdensome friends.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Boy. So it's like they either suck or they're great,
but god, they're high maintenance, okay, And so he just
wants to get rid of them.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
He's like, some of you, you're not in it. I'm
not taking you with me.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
So not everyone is cool enough to come along to the.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Newest and shiniest future of the Divine of the Brotherhood
of New Wife. But Nagasawa Kanye was. He was like
that boy, that's my boy, that's my son.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
He still get a grown grapes, take a look at
my son.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Harris loved the idea of the moving the colony out west,
where the world of the hills of California would make
a perfect vineyard because vineyards were beginning to sprout up
in California at this time. Yeah, the the propaganda of like, oh,
California is actually great for wine was spreading, and so
he was like, we could make a religion out of this.

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It was actually Kanye who helped the cult secure their
next home. So one of the other Japanese students that
he had travel with, Tagaki Saboro to Kagi, Sorry to Kagi.
Saborro had gone on to become the Consul general for
Japan in the United States. Dam I said, a lot
of these dudes became ambassadors, so once the major restoration happened,

(54:30):
they needed to start actually having diplomacy with foreign countries.
This dude worked his way up pretty quickly to becoming
the representative for Japan in the United States.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
He wasn't this specifical ambassador. He was the consul general.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
But he was transferred to San Francisco in eighteen seventy five,
which is around this time the Colts having to move,
and Kanye wrote to him being like, hey, dude, we're
trying to find some property in the Bay Area. Could
you recommend something can you help us out. Hell yeah,
And just like that, the group was headed for the
Napa Valley. Well, Napa Valley is not in the Bay Area,

(55:07):
it's adjacent. It is adjacent. It's Bay Area adjacent. Yes,
so Nagasawa at this point is twenty three years old,
and it was. He was apparently utterly fascinated by the
journey west from New York because he had never been there.
Like he's he's crossing, He's taking the train across the
United States, and its apparently like having the time of

(55:28):
his life doing that.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Harris was fifty two and he had cherry picked an
incredibly small group of followers who had advanced far enough
in his teachings to come with him and his wife
to the New Promised Land. He's like, all of you
are high enough in your divine breath, learnings, your your
divine respiration that you are worthy to come with me.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
It was like six people.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Yeah, that's it. People very small that were the most easy,
like lulled into it, or or like the most useful.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
It was. It was basically his inner circle. He was like,
everyone else kind of sucks. I only like you guys
were going to make a new colony. I'm gonna make
a new colony. Still not with black jack hooker.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
No hookers. There may have been blackjack.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
So the group bought four hundred acres north of Santa
Rosa for fifty dollars an acre. Could you imagine, Oh god,
that's where I want to live. Fifty dollars an acre.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Crosa is a barrier, Okay, I'll concede that there are
parts of Napa Valley that do that are in North Bay.
I'm just still hung up on how cheap property was.
It makes me sad.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
I don't want to keep thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
But also again, like your your income this was ninety
this is eighteen seventies. Like your income was like two
hundred bucks a year, So like that's still no. These
people are like fairly wealthy though, aren't they. Well Paris
is Yeah, the rest they could afford it for sure.
The average income in eighteen seventy.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Wait, you know, I am going to look this up
because I am curious.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
I want to bet that it's like it's two to
six hundred dollars a year for the average household a
coverage income, because it's seventy Because like curious, food was
like fifty cents, like for a whole while the average
yearly income in the United States was twenty seven hundred.
Oh snap, okay, twenty seven hundred dollars. That's three times

(57:19):
more than what I thought.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
It's more than three times more.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
And also like, if the land is worth fifty dollars
is like, why wouldn't you be buying land?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Why wouldn't you be buying land out west? Save about
fifty dollars buy an acre.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
I don't even own an acre now, Like, even if
it sucks or it's terrible, it was only fifty dollars,
only fifty I.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
May have made a mistake in trusting the AI on Google,
which I should never do.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Fool, Why would you do this? Real average annual wages
in eighteen seventy one. I don't actually know how to
read this chart. Okay, hold on, let me see, my god,
this chart.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Let me see if I can find this out.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
So someone says, there's there's a there's a red at
post where someone was asking I think I'm looking at
the exact same one at the r slash the Gilded Age.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Yes, yes, okay, so you've got the same thing I
was about to say, Okay, so, uh, the.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
What men employed as waiters received twenty dollars a month
for their work if you were white, twenty five. The
employees general like laborers, it seems like pay raise was
between twelve and fifteen or twenty five dollars a month.
So again, you're that would make if you're making twenty
five dollars a month, then that makes your yearly salary.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Math, yeah, three hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Okay, that's where the AI was getting its numbers. That
might be the upper scale, yeah, because that was this
is for like blue collar workers or like house house servants,
like home laboring. Because it says like a butler or
a steward could make one hundred dollars a month, so
that made oh so yeah, like if you're if you're
a servant, like a higher up servant. But honestly, like, yeah,

(59:01):
it's going to be a range. I don't know what
the average would be, but again, they're not making a
whole lot of money back in the day. Fifty bucks
seems like nothing to us now, but back then again,
you could need a family of four on fifty bucks
for a month.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
I still feel like fifty bucks is a lot on it.
If anything had of fifty bucks, I think about it, yeah, correct, true, deeply,
yeah yeah. But I mean if it was land, I
wouldn't think about it.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
If it was land.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
It's I was having this conversation with somebody recently where
it was like talking about how six hundred dollars is
a lot, and then I was like, well, hold on,
is it like six hundred dollars on a car.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Because that's a pretty cheap car.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Yeah, true, yeah, but literally anything else, it's a.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Whole thing where it's like one thousand dollars. It's a
lot to owe, but not a lot to have.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yes, yeah, money, yep. So they bought this property four
hundred acres in Santa Rosa and they called it Fountain
Grove after a spring on the property. Okay, they referred
to it as the Eden of the West because if
you remember Eaten's in Virginia, right, And they built what
is now and a comic round barn on the property.

(01:00:03):
Barn is still standing, oh okay. So Nagasawa was put
in charge of setting up the new vineyard, a task
that by all accounts, he did swimmingly. At the beginning,
he was mostly like the growing guy. He was in
charge of growing stuff, and there were other people who
took over the books. But as time went on he
became more of the all around manager of the vineyard.

(01:00:23):
So Nagasawa became Harris's lieutenant, his right hand man, and
he managed the community's outward affairs. So if like people
needed stuff like day to day as far as living
or resources or whatever, they went to Nagasawa. Okay, Harris
was the leader on spiritual matters. There was a period

(01:00:44):
in eighteen seventy six where Harris lived in seclusion to
write and to preach. I suspect probably because he was
burnt out from the lawsuit in the backlash, I imagine,
so Nagasawa took.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
A lot of the spotlight. He was like the outward face.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
I'm just thinking how Thomisi can just like not faded
into obscurity, but just like took a step back and yeah,
nothing bad happened to him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Yeah not yet, not yet, which is also this is
a fun tidbit. Kanye Nagasawa Nagasawa Kanye was the first
permanent Japanese resident in the United States.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Oh. He was the first permanent resident from Japan in
the us. That's cool. That's some fact, not super cool.
When World War two happened. We'll get to there and
part three.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Yeah, I'll discuss world War two in part three, because yes,
we're discussing Asians in America.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
In the early nineteen hundreds.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
That's not a fun story. No, no, it ain't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
AnyWho, So Nagaslawa took a lot of the spotlight. There
was a wine maker who was brought in named doctor
John Hyde, and he was hired to teach the disciples
how to make the best wine for the climate, because
like they were making wine back in New York, but
Kanye was mostly the grape guys, like, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Do the wine part. I do the grapes. Yeah, I
do the pre wine part.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
And now he's got to be the wine guy also,
So doctor Harris is coming in being like, this is
how you make the most out of this climate to make.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Best wine, and Nagasawa is taking notes. He is, Kanye
is in it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
He's an excellent student. He was also excellent at marketing
the group's wine. They sold it in New York through
their contacts back east, but they also through his connections
in the UK and Japan. They started selling it internationally.
Oh damn, and this is the first time that's happening.
California wine was like known in the US, but nobody

(01:02:41):
outside of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
California really knew or cared about it outside.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Of the US until Kanye Nagasawa is like, I know
a lot of people in Japan who would like wine.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Hey, friends in Japan, I make wine.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
I make wine now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
I make wine now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Because again, his family let him go overseas, paid for
him to learn, and then he assuming he didn't really
talk to that much then did was like I sell wine.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Hey, I saw wine.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
I'm successful. They're like, are you a diplomat?

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
And he's like, I actually sell wine now And they're
like oh, and they're like, but try it, and he's
like this slap's actually this wine is really good and they.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Like, isn't your Like don't you know someone who's like
a diplomat though? And you just make wine. It's like, yeah,
but I'm better than them.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
He knows what six diplomats. Yeah, this man knows so
many diplomats. And they're helping him, and they're helping him
make the wine, not make it. They're helping spread the
good word of Fountain Grove Wine. Okay, so it was
the first time California wines got attention anywhere outside the US,
and they were competitive against those coming out of France.
There were competitions in Europe that the Fountain Grove Winery won.

(01:03:45):
They won awards against French wine, which was like we
still do that, yeah, which was still like a big
deal at the time, and Europe was going a little
crazy for it, and everyone's like, what's coming out of
the Napa Valley?

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
What do you mean it's beautiful over there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
So, of course Tomiclake Harris was a dick, and he
claimed that what made the wine so good was its
spiritual qualities. Of course, Uh oh, it wasn't because he
was an incredibly he had incredibly skilled and passionate vineyard
manager and workers.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
No, no, no, no, no, it was because he was
a prophet and he taught them all how to breathe right,
to be divine.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Oh my god. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
He's basically like he's saying, oh, yeah, our wine is
so good. We have such good people here. It's because
I taught them how to breathe right. It's like, no, dude,
you're over here writing pamphlets about why we shouldn't be
having sex.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
This man's in the dirt.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
He's growing them grapes in the cave with a box
of scribe. Literally he is on his hands and knees
in the vineyard. But regardless, it's an iron man joke.
We know now, I'm looking at Mau.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
I know nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Yeah, So, regardless of all, the money coming in from
the wine allowed them to expand the compound, eventually growing
Fountain Grove to two thousand acres. They built a series
of buildings on the property, including a main house, which
was how is this pronounced, hold on a stiv a
stiv ast of Asta. That's how it's pronounced. It was

(01:05:12):
pronounced as it was called ast of Asta. Harris said
that this meant quote high country of divine joy, but
it meant that in a divine language.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
The angels told him and only he knew.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
So like, okay, who knew. Maybe the dude was just
saying stuff. Everyone else just called it the manor House.
No one was saying ast of Asta all day. There's like,
that's the manor House. The place had a lily pond
and gardens, several fountains. There was a grove of eucalyptus
trees planted all around it. The dining room was built

(01:05:46):
to accommodate a hundred people.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Damn, so that they could host one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Hundred people eating in one room.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
I don't even want that many people at my wedding.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
That's got it probably requires a lot of servants, it would.
There's not that many of them.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
There's like again, not that many people who lived there. No,
I mean it grew over time as especially as they
were getting notoriety and they were getting money. More people
were moving onto the compound, chasing the spirituality part of it.
But like you know also that there are dope parties.
I'll get into the dope parties later. So it also

(01:06:20):
had the manor house had one of the most extensive
libraries in California.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Like this place was Dicadent. It was Occurlent.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Harris and his inner circle I'll live there. So it
was Harris's immediate family. Kanye lived there, like the closest
ones to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Harris lived in the manor House.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Okay, according to him, Harris, it was built with the
intention of being able to be taken to the celestial sphere.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Okay, how do you get there?

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Excellent question? I can only assume now that this was literal.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Yeah, I think that they literally meant that angels were
going to fly down and pick the house up and
take it to Heaven. I think that's what he meant,
because that all of the buildings in Vound Grove were
supposedly built this way so they could be ascended, and
that makes the round barn feel more space shippy to me, Like,
I've seen it's it's technically it's like a sixteen sided
barn or whatever. It's not perfectly round. But I looked

(01:07:17):
at him like, oh, that's a neat building. And then
what is it called again, Fountain Grove? If you look
up the Fountain Grove barn.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Okay, don't want them any spoilers for the story, I'm not.
I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
But if you look at it and then you know
after the fact that it was meant it was built
so that it would ascend to this celestial sphere, you're like, oh,
that's kind of space shippy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
They built it to be aerodynamic that it's in Santa Rosa. Yes,
because that's like you're described the sixteen sides. I'm like,
I think I've seen that you very well could have
because I have family up there. It's a very iconic
part of the area. It's like a lodge. Now that's
not the barn, but that's like the lodge that you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Can go to.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Interesting. So wait, are they still making why to that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
That's part three?

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
I kind of want some You're in the modern day.
I think I got a spoiler, Chelsea, put your phone down,
put it away. This is why I don't want to
look it up.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Stuff. Sorry, don't spoil yourself, Chelsea. I didn't mean to.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
This is why I need to take your phone so
way before we again. So there was also on the
property there was the Familiarity, the familiaristy, it's a weird word.
It was a building about half the size in the
manner that housed all the women of the group. All
the ladies lived there, only the women, only the women.
And then there was the Commandery, which was where all

(01:08:33):
the men lived. The men referred to as sir knights. Okay,
so it was very like knights and ladies vibe going on.
There was some some medieval LARPing happening.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I think you know, whatever floats your boat.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Along with the winery, the brotherhood also built a print shop,
so they could self publish Harris's many, many books and
many pamphlets about his thoughts and feelings, so they have
like a whole production here. All of this cost twenty
five thousand dollars a year to maintain, which again, remember

(01:09:08):
this is in the eighteen seventies and eighteen eighties. That's
something we just discussed how much the average person makes
in a year. Twenty five thousand dollars is so much.
It is the equivalent of over seven hundred thousand dollars
in today's money.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Damn, But can you imagine having that much money? Could
you imagine having that? I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Yeah, but Voun Grove was handily making more than that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Damn. Their wine was poppin'. People wanted it real bad,
but Valley make good wine. They put us like twenty
five k to go towards the vineyards, expenses and everything.
So all the rest went to the Brotherhood's fund, which
was managed directly.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
By Thomas Lake. Harris. I thought you said fun, and
I was like, what kind of fun you meant? Fund? Oh,
but there was also fun.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Despite being dissuaded from having sex and giving up all
the wealths of the cult, Thomas Harris did not ban
his members from having a good time. Thank you, Chelsea
for that perfect segue. Oh. In fact, as I mentioned before,
he heartily encouraged a good drink. He was also a
fan of a good smoke. He loved tobacco. Oh, tobacco, tobacco.
They didn't have the weed. I mean, maybe they did,
but probably not this is California, but probably still not

(01:10:15):
back then, No, not in eighteen eighty or whatever. So
in its day, Fountain Grove was known for holding incredibly
wild parties. They were described by multiple sources as bacchanalien.
Oh they were getting rowdy, damn with the wine, which
I mean especially Bachan Alien. But yeah, no, they were

(01:10:36):
having musicians in, they were entertaining constantly. Again in the
dining room fits one hundred people. They were having They
had a bunch of people moving on to the compound.
They were playing hard and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Working hard, partying hard and partying hard, party hard.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
But apparently that was a source of suspicion for the
surrounding community because they were like the seathens, Who is
this weird cult that has all these weird loud parties.
They didn't like because again also remember this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Is eighteen eighty. So some people were like, why are
you so loud? Why are you drinking so much?

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Los Angeles and we're still dealing with fireworks. Yeah. People
complained that there were these cultists on these vineyards that
were having these weird, wild parties.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
What were they even doing there? And this drew the
attention of a.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Journalist named Alzerie Chevalier, who wrote a name, Yeah, ain't
it it's l A L. I think it's maybe al
Zaire actually a l z I R E.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
That's awesome?

Speaker 5 (01:11:38):
How Alzire Chevalier Ali who wrote a series of scathing
articles about Harris, accusing him of being a charlatan I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Yeah, and also a bunch of other questions of his
moral character. He toured Fountain Grove, he wrote an article
was just talking about how like freaking nights the manor
house was and how amazing it was. But then he
also referred to Thomas like Harris as a charlton, and
so that kind of tanked his reputation a little bit,
Harris's I mean so, the damage to the community's reputation

(01:12:10):
and also Harris's own age, no doubt, led Harris to
stepping down as the group leader. In eighteen ninety one,
he doesn't act like a cult leader normally acts for us.
In this podcast, he hits some of the boxes, but
not all of them. This man again, he's seizing all
of their worldly possessions. He's making everyone refer to him

(01:12:32):
as father. He is dictating people's sex lives, and he
is forcing people to like move to places with him,
sure and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Work for free. But he's not having sex with everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
He's not having sex with everyone, and he's voluntarily stepping
down correct voluntarily stepping down. And also, as far as
I can tell, he didn't start trying to like control
people were eating at any point.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
That's usually a big thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Just how they're breathing, Yeah, just how you breathe.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
You breathing right, you breathing right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
He wasn't doing like thought police kind of stuff. If
he didn't think that you were in it, he just
left you behind. It seems like, I mean, at least
you were like stuck or trapped. I guess no people
left all the time. And again he would abandon people
who was like if again, if he didn't think that
you were like, he wouldn't punish you for being wrong
he'd just be like, all right, well you don't get

(01:13:24):
to come.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
To the new cool place. But like we're were members
told not to like interact with anyone who left. No,
they were not banned. And also, as far as I
could tell, there was no in group outgrouping.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Like he didn't say if you left the group then
you would be like banished from God's light as far
as I can tell.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
And he did not make an enemy of the rest
of humanity.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
He was just very much like, I'm gonna teach you
how to get to heaven. This is the best place
to be. I'm gonna teach you how to ascend. Work
for me, and you'll live in Eden. And he liked
being in charge and having people's money.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
I mean, who doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
But if you did work for him again for free, yeah,
you gotta go to some pretty sick ass parties, it seems.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
But you did have to pretty dank wine. You did
have to live separalway from your spouse. Okay, that sucks.
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
It's like he did want you to be married, but
it's like you can't be having sex and your wife has.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
To live in a different building. That's shitty. But they
didn't like, you could still see them and you can
still hang out. I don't sleep well when Mal and
I aren't in the same bed. Couldn't hack it then, Yeah,
I know there's some couples out there. It's like it's
definitely like more talked about now where I've known couples
who it's like, we have two separate beds because we
are sleeping habits are not compatible. Yeah, but I couldn't,

(01:14:39):
like personally, I couldn't I sleep better if Mal and
I are in the same bed. Mal, would you like
to weigh on the subject. Sometimes he does not with me.
I know that, especially during pollen seasons.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Like a furnace and during season.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
She's so.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Yeah, yeah, I love her end of statement.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
All right, I love to babe.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
So yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Surprisingly, no widespread abuse happening, at least, not psychological or
physical that we can find. Maybe financial, but like everybody
seems mostly good. Nobody's being persecuted for weaving. Honestly, the
financial abuse seems so minimal compared to what we've seen.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Compared to it, the bar is so low, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
So as far as colts go, fairly mild and he
willingly steps down In eighteen ninety one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
However, this came with the announcement that he'd finally done it.
He'd cracked it. He hadn't sended, he'd fixed the he'd
done the breathing code. All right, he'd done it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
So Thomas, like Harris, claims, he writes an entire pamphlet
about this. He claims that he'd broken through the final
stages of divine respiration, and now his body was renewed.
I'm going to quote the manyphilis he didn't have, but if.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
He had had, it been clear that had he had syphilis.
Now he doesn't. Now he doesn't, Right, No syphili was here, which.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Is honestly, if you're a co leader, a really good
con is to openly claim you of cyphlis and then
later say that you cured it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
I mean that's like the having never had it claiming
claiming you have a disease that has been cured. Is
something that is pretty common even today.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Chelsea, I do want to I do want a shout
out Chelsea's episode that she did about faith healing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Yeah, here I will. I will link that episode because
there's a lot of overlap.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Because that's another thing I personally find that whole aspect
incredibly predatory and abusive as well because he was telling
people all cure your illnesses.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
I still think of that Supernatural episode too every time. Yeah,
because it was still I was still watching Supernatural on
that episode. That was a good era of Supernatural. I
mean that was the first couple seasons. Yeah, it was
the best part. I never got to cast being introduced.
That was also pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Yeah. But yes, so that is another dark mark against Twalk.
Like Harris, he was a faith healer. Not about it,
boo bad. So I'm going to quote his announcement about
how he cracked the breathing code and when no In
advanced that when he talks about the rhythmic law, he's referring.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
To breathing rhythms.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
So that's what when he talks about rhythms, that's what
we means. Quote.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
The final chord of the rhythmic law that operates for
the renaissance of the human system and its senses from
age to youth was not touched till the early days
of the last autumn, and not until my own bodily
structures were reduced to an appearance of frail, emaciated and
perishing age this man's in his like seventies raadies of

(01:17:37):
this Jesus. Within a week after finding the touch of
the last rhythmic chord that leads the harmonic vibrations.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Into bodily renewal, the bent.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Form stood upright, The flesh grew upon the bones, the
dim eyes found their sparkle. Every bodily sense awoke, reinvigorated.
The fountains of the blood seem to flow as if
by a vertical motion, rounding in each recuperative organ to
one grand consciousness of bodily grandeur. Freedom, and in a

(01:18:11):
sense of corporate mortality. Damn corporate immortality. My apologies to
the late Thomas Lake.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Harris, who did die? Yeah, I gotta say it? Or
did he? Or did he?

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
He's going to come back.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
No, he did die, and there is proof. So thus
freedom his alleged mortal bindings.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Harris took his third wife because his second wife had
died in eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Five, being married.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Boy does he love being married. He remarried shortly after.
That's suspicious because people just died. People just died.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
It was the late eighteen hundreds. People got sick and
died constantly. Should have been a red Flagg to all
his followers. Why is this dude's wives keep dying if
he allegedly can make you immortal by breathing. Mmm, But
he was not killing them. People just got sick.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
So yeah, she died.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
He remarried shortly after to another woman, and then they
moved to England to live off the profits of the vineyard.
Everything that belonged to the Brotherhood was left behind to
Nagasawa Kane's charge.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
He was now the leader of the group of the
Brotherhood of New Life.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Oh boy, and he would go on to become mostly
known as to the point where all of this is
like a footnote in the story of the Wine King
of California. Oo.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
And we will get into that next episode. Oh boy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
So excited. So it's actually not about Thomas.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
I mean the first two and a half, like two
and three quarters.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Parts of this one.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
The Wine King, the Wine King in California, a Japanese
immigrant who came over to Trina co author first.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
You know it's interesting too, crap. I was gonna say, somebody,
oh Coults on the top of Colts we've described as
a cult, but also like didn't restrict people said you
could just leave, didn't care, didn't demand all your money,
didn't pay you though they did demand all your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
No, you had to give up your money to the thing.
That's the whole thing. But still the bar isn't hell.
The bars in hell.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Yeah yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Like you're not being beat. There's no public humiliation. Like,
there's none of that as far as I'm aware. Covered
some crazy things. He's setting up a again, it's a
it's a theo socialist commune that he is set up.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
He's like, this is my.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Utopian Christian aros esoteric.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
That's what I'm looking for, my.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Utopian Christian esoteric commune. We're going to make a new Eden,
second better Eden, because the one in Virginia sucks. Don't
join that one, join mine, right. You just have to
give me all of your money and you have to
work for free in my vineyard. But you do get
to live at the vineyard.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
You do get to live in Then you get to
have that sweet divine air.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
You get to get that sweet you get to hoff
God's breath and have some pretty baller parties because we
have wine in abundance.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Okay, okay, wine in abundance. It's free, but you do work.
I don't know. This doesn't sound that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
As compared to other cults.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Not that bad.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
So far, yeah, so far. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
I mean, I will say for the people who live
on the compound, it stops really being a cult. Kind
of spoilery after after freaking Kanye takes over, not very
cult to get anymore. Kane was mostly in it for
the wine, I think, yeah right, he was like, I
love Thomas.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Thomas is my father. But man, do I love grown grapes,
these grapes. I love these little guys.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
These little guys are here in the grass. Look at
the throne, look at them.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
How good taste the wine we make?

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
It's so good, It's so good. It's so good. People
overseas want it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Yeah, yeah, people everywhere want that sweet, sweet grape juice.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Well, thank you so much. Yeah, you're welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Do we have any takeaways from this second part? I
want to try this wine, California wine, good, California.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
I want to try this wine.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
I know how many Napa Valley wines you can try,
but I want this one. I don't know if this
one can be gotten anymore. I want to answer that question.
But that kind of is a spoiler.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Yeah, so don't yeah, so I I shan't say nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
I shan't no, but you can get wine from the
same region, so it's similar. Any who, Chelsea, do you
got anything at California Wine? Good?

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
California mine good? Great place.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Moving on, now, we're going to come to the final
section of our podcast, which is correspondence and corrections. But
first we will have one last word from our sponsors.
All right, let's start with Blue Sky.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
It's a blue Sky. First, we have Artsy Ghost thirteen
saying I'm being plagued with deer videos since listening to
the Not Deer episode, so I thought i'd share this
awkward casual slap off, which is just two deer slap
at each other.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
It's deer fighting as deer do.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Why their standing on their hind legs and just beating
each other with their four legs. Yeah, which is how
deer fight. It's funny, it is funny at Liminal Luminary
cr says, I wonder if the en Kinney Valley also
something to do with death slash disease deceased bodies like
it's human but it's not quite right. That was something

(01:23:08):
that was also theorized, Yeah, I think that that's probably
fair because again, like it's not moving like a human
should in the sense that it's not moving at all,
and that's unsettling, like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
It's unsettlingly still yeah, even.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Like different from like a sleeping body.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Yeah, yeah, atsa The fox sends us or Issa rock Fox. Sorry,
this western gull has taken a novel approach to summer
for foraging trips. It took an eighty mile.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Truck ride twice to find food, so it's just hitching
her eyes a hitchhiking siegull. Love it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Issa also sends us a badger on a I believe,
like it's like a it's on an orse car. I think. Yeah.
So this is a whole thread.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
But the one that we were specifically sent with was
from Doc p Jones, Doctor Holly P. Jones, which says,
we decided to an experimental approach to this question would
be cool, which.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Was what was what was even the question?

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
Hold on, how do prairie dogs deal with predation on
prairie big towns, on prairie dog towns? So they strap
a tax army badger on top of an RC cart
and drove the cart towards incubating curlews, both while playing
prairie dog ground based predator calls and not so basically

(01:24:29):
they were they were simulating predator approaching on prairie dogs
by making an RC dead badger.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
They called it the the Badger, and Nader Man I
love when science is like that. That's really funny. Cosmic
Corpse aka Duncan says, listen to the CCC episode about
the Uncanny Valley and Chelsea mentioned a two thousand and
one Final Fantasy movie.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Christina assumed it was Advent Children, but the actual film
in the lesser known film Final Fantasy, The Spirits Within,
which is unrelated to any of the games, and I, yes,
oh my god, I just went along with whatever you
were saying because I don't know shit about Final Fantasy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
So I was like, maybe that doesn't sound right, but.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Sure Advent Children came out in two thousand and five.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
I was off.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
I thought it came out in two thousand and one.
My apologies. It haunted me as a kid. I've watched
it again a few years ago, and even though at
it's released it received pretty low ratings, I do think
the concept is pretty unique and it's worth the watch
if you're able to get your hands on it, though
the Uncanny Valley will be traveled extensively the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
I will say advent children also have the Umkanney Valley.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Both of them do.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
It's that era of animation still where it's like they
it's incredibly realistic for the time, but it's just not right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
But you're right, Duncan. I was off and when that
movie came out.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
At Cyber j Man says, Hey, I just found y'all's
podcast and I love it. Keep up the great work,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
I was actually in a podcast with my two friends
for a little while called Press c for Carnage, and
we had to stop because I felt like our personalities just.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Didn't mesh well in a podcast. You gotta have people
with chronic ADHD that has been undiagnosed for so long, and.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
Then they both get diagnosed in short order, because they're like, hmmm, something,
you are diagnosed, then there's probably something wrong with me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
Two of the people in the room have ADHD and
of us are Nerdi vergent in some way.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Maybe I think you do too, are mentally ill.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
I'm I'm great at concentrating on only one thing at
a time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
That's fair. Actually, I'm not the autism.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
I'm the opposite m. I will latch onto something and
I will never let it go.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Sergeant says says, hey, C three podcasts. Did you know
that Wendigoes were gay? Apparently Mothman is too.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
Well, I mean that, ass, I mean evidence suggests.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
But thank you very much. We also have.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
From aw Electric says on a fant you say, and
then it's a picture of the hit Man guy, because
I think that's his name.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Also, oh yes, oh, I didn't understand the connection. I
am assuming that's his name. Also, I have not watched
later people play Hitman.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Yeah, it's a funny game.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
It's a comedy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
I like the heat, like the freaking heat seeking suitcase throws.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
Yeah, those are funny. It's just it's a really funny game.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
It's great city.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
I love just being in a bush and then suddenly
standing full upright throwing a hammer and then ducking again
as if no one saw you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
As if no one that would be completely you know,
sneaky and whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
There was one I don't remember who I was watching.
I was watching. It may have been you, actually, Mau.
I was watching someone do a Hitman level where it
was like you had to take out a cult leader.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Oh appropriate, Oh yes, yes there was. I had to
think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Yeah, anyway, America. Amanda also says, as a former resident
of the district, I'm just standing here grilling bratwurst on
the fourth of July laughing at this. DC was created
out of a chunk of Maryland and a chunk of Virginia,
but Virginia took their part back over DC not being
racist enough. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
So you're mostly right, it's or because it's all Maryland
because Virginia took it back, but it's now neither because
of the District of Columbia. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
If you look at a map of Arlington County, Virginia,
you will see how it makes a neat square with
the district as it stands. Now, that's why I forgot.
I forget what the exact claim was, but Virginia took
their chunk back. This is one reason why people argue
that Maryland should absorb DC take over everything in DC
that isn't federal, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It's
not going to happen. But yeah, also for DC, history.

(01:28:26):
I'll pitch a book and it's called Chocolate City. Ooh,
very neat interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Thank you for laughing at us and for telling me
I'm the one who's mostly right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Yeah, Chelsea is the one who's mostly right. It started
as part of both.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
But then Virginia took those back because it wasn't racist enough.
Mao is still wrong on all counts.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
No, what did mal say it was?

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
He said that it was not near either of them.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
He said it was not near Virginia or Maryland. It
was so wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
It was, in fact, incredibly near both of them.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Nih. But the third says Christina is right. Anna would
absolutely consume the other hosts of no such thing as
a fish. Thank you for validating my opinion. And since
you read my email, read my email.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Out last week had a picture of Cassie and Janey
where casts doesn't look haunted.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Look at these baby baby All castes are haunted. All
cats named Cassie are haunted. Look at these sleeping cuties cuddling.
They're so cute. They're so cute. At Rosary snow. The
fact that I kept yelling at my computer Alistair Crowley,
Alistair Crowley, Alistair Crowley when you're trying to figure out
who else y'all frequently talk about in the pod, and

(01:29:32):
we were taking weirdly long about it was true peak immersion.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
I'm glad that we could infuriate you in that way.
We got there, We got there. I just sort of
associated him with Satanism because he's technically not a Satanist. Yeah,
but he he was technically not a Satanist, but he
is associated with Satanism.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Sure, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
And so I'm glad that you, Rosary Snow, were so
in the conversation that you felt the need to yell
love at us even though we could not hear you.
But we got your message now, and that's all that matters.
We also have Captain Taco eight said when Christina said
to you, listener, there will be more, it felt like
a threat. Also, look at this dog his same as Tequito.

(01:30:13):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Look at this Look at Teqito.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
Very cute.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
And then Lisa also sends us North America got the
massive sasquatch, Mexico got the dreaded chupacabra, and Japan got
fat snake. There's a picture of the Succinoko. This this
fat bitch him a fat snake. That's such a fun
little dude, that bouncy little man. Yeah, that's all we

(01:30:41):
got for the blue sky Chelsea. Dude, be so kind
is to read me and email.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
Love to read you an email. Do we want to
do the Do we want to do the universalism universists?

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
I feel like that's that's relevant. Okay, yeah, let's do that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
So first, let's do that email we talked about earlier.
Let's see the email we talked.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
About earlier, which was telling us the universalism slash univerist
universalist clarification, Thank you very much. This is from Steph
Hi step and it says, Hyle, I'm a nerd about
Christianity and its theologies and denominations. Universalists are both a
sect or several actually and a specific theology. Universalists don't

(01:31:21):
believe in an eternal hell. They think that everyone eventually
goes to heaven, or that people who are bad people
in life don't experience eternal anything after death. The second
thing is called annihilationalism, if I understand correctly. Interesting, there
are several denominations that use the word universalists as a
description or name of their denomination. There's also the Unitarian
Universalist Church, which is no longer solely a Christian religion,

(01:31:44):
but it takes its teachings from a wide variety of
religions and philosophies. This is, obvi, not a thorough explanation
of either thing. I just thought i'd throw my two
cents in thank you, Thanks Steph. And I was to
see attached by two cats, Milo and Edith. And this
is the baby gray girl and Milo is the large
TUXI I love your cat, show me your cats, Oh, babies,
that is a lord cat.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
But thank you so much for the clarifications, because again, yeah,
I need to stop talking about things that I didn't
research because I am wrong often, and I appreciate when
we are emailed to explain, hey, this is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
How you got it wrong, but also here's how it's right.
And then you show us pictures of your pets.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
I love that part too. Is the ideal scenario, I think, yeah, yeah,
it really it like because the corrections are never like salty, you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Know what none ever mean in their correction, like did
you know? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
But it's also when you give me a picture of
your pet, it's like you're also being given a gift.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Yeah, it's like, hey, I'm going to inform you something.
And also, here's a picture legged all pictures of pets,
show us your pets. Yeah, and then there's a there's
a short one about a local cult. That will allow
me to read a short one.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
Yeah, yeah, sure he'll allow it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
So hello listener from the past. Here. This is February
twenty fourth. I'm currently on episode thirty five, making my
way to recent podcasts. When I find something I like,
I have an uncontrollable need to start from the beginning
so I don't miss anything. I include you. Yeah mood,
just reaching out because there's been a cult, at least
that's what the news calls them. I haven't done much
reach myself being reported on our local news stations. Oh god, ooh,

(01:33:19):
we've talked about them.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
They are called the Zizians.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
Oh oh no, and have been linked to killing a
border control officer close to where I live. We talked
about the Zizians a little bit. They were part of
my series about rationalism. You have not done the Zizians
as a cult yet, because the court case, I believe,
is still ongoing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
I believe so.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Yes, they've been suspected of a few different deaths. Across
the US, and from what I can gather, they all
work and tech, are vegan, and have beef with landlords.
Not a lot happens in our area, especially not things
that pique my interest. So I wanted to share it
with you guys. I thought, if maybe it was interesting enough,
it might even be able to be included in a
podcast episode. Oh, it will be friend from the past.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
What eventually you get here, Yeah, it's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Yeah, if you do include it in an episode, I
can't wait to hear it in the future when I
finally catch up long after I've forgotten I sent this.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Anyway, I love you both. You're so weird and comforting,
and I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
I love that you're so weird and comforting.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
That's such a compliment. I'm tickled. Thank you so much. Yeah, no,
for sure, that's going to be an episode.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
And when you mean, we did mention them in the
Rationalism episode, but they're going to be their own episode.
They're eventually going to be their own episode. As soon
as the court cases are done. You're gonna forget that
you send this email, and then you're going to get
to this episode.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
You're great.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
Oh my god, I did send that email and then
eventually by that time the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
About them will probably already be. Well, it depends on
how fast they get through the episodes that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
And also depends on how us the court case goes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
That's also true a lot of times, because the thing
is like, I feel like the court case about the
border patrol agent could have probably gone pretty fast, but
they but the fact.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
That they're like, wait, they murdered a lot of people. Yeah,
that's probably got to slow it down.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Well that's all we got for you today. Everyone, Thank
you so much for listening in. We'll have part three
and the final part of my my series about the
Wine King and the cult that's bond.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
It next week.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
If you have corrections about this episode or past episodes,
or things you want to say, or things you want
to add, or pictures of your pets you want to
show us, feel free to email us. You can do
that at Cult Scripteds Conspiracies at gmail dot com, or
you can go directly to our social media where you
can also contact us and show us memes or whatever
you want.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Really, we're kind of just here and we read things
right here. We're present. Yeah, yeah, we have a blue sky.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
At C three podcasts, and we have a Patreon, Patreon
dot com slash cult Scripteds Conspiracies. There's a discord attached
to the Patreon, so that's where you can go and
show us things.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
Yeah. Also the Patreon, there's there's like sometimes an extra
like two hours in the Parlor episode that's only for Patreon.
We yap so much, yap so much was a Patreon.
If you say it, I did. I blacked out and
so I trust you you did it. Hey, here's looking
at you kids, here at how blacked out? It's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
Or you can go directly to our website. We have
everything linked for your convenience.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
And that is cult Scripted Conspiracies dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
Or what you could do is you could start your
own printing shop and you could print various pamphlets just
about your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
I was thinking you could sart a winery. You could
start a winery. CRYPTI wines. I think that probably exists, right,
that's gotta that's got it. She's googled on. Hang on,
I just google it. It probably exists.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
I think that making like zines is more accessible than
making a vineyard, I mean, a whole less publishing house.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
I don't expect that from all of you. But you
kryptick wines not the same thing, okay? Oh wait?

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
Or is it no? But okay, no, never mind. I
thought it might have been the one that the Nancy
Pelosi owned. But also some of you don't live in
a place that's conducive to wine growing. That's true, and
I'm just limit cryptied wine. I'm not gonna limit you listeners.
I think that your thoughts should go on a pamphlet
that you self publish about how you think pople should
be breathing right and boy will they and boy will

(01:37:03):
they so do that and also foster some international connections
you never know, and they're going to come in handy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
Get all of it. And that's sex funk.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
There is no I mean, you can crypt did winery.
There is no Cryptid winery. So he can be the
change we want to see in the future. To me
a person who does not drink, but that's fine. I
can eat grapes. We could also do not alcoholic wine.
We could do not. That's the thing too. Yep, that's
what we got. We'll see you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
Goodbye, Chelsea, Bye Christina.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
Now I can still hear his voice, Bye ladies,

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