October 2, 2025 • 17 mins
"Negative music for positive people," is how Joe Cotela describes the music for the band Ded. It's hard to argue with that, there is a positive message under all that aggression. Ded's third album is called Resent and it's availalbe now. Ded is on the road in the month of October with In This Moment, Dayseeker and The Funeral Portrait. Oh and Joe doesn't concert photography now. Yeah there's a lot to catch up with Joe Cotela, lead singer of the band Ded.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My attention please and no it Cutters rock cast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Dude, Joe from Dead, It's good to see you, my friend.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
What's up? Man? I'll start my alarms going off and sick.
How are you? Dude?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Set your alarm telling me? Oh I got to talk
to Cutter?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah that's what it is, pretty much. Ye I got
I gotta do so many alarms going off all day
for ship to.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Do lists, and then I won't do it and then
just I got alarms day add up and whatever, so stupid.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
See I was just talking to somebody earlier. Man, I'm
ready to go back to pen and paper. Yeah, I
feel you. I think it's gotten too convoluted. Yeah, I
mean I just need to go back and go Yeah.
All right, check me too.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Forget it done. Yeah. What have you been up to?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Like catch me off in the last couple of years,
because it's been a minute since we talked about Dead. Uh.
Obviously on a personal level, I ran into you a
couple of times, but like as far as professionally, like
what do you get? What have you guys been doing
the last couple of years? You got a new song?
We'll talk about that in a minute.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Okay, Yeah, all kinds of stuff, man. I mean it's
been a wild couple of years, you know, dead We've
been just writing, recording stuff. Had a bunch of like
behind the scenes industry nonsense happened that was really rough.
And I've been out, you know, with with Maria stuff
from in this moment.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
It was my lady.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
So I've been out doing photography and stuff for them,
which has been really fun. And but writing a bunch
kind of rebuilding ourselves, you know, rebuilding our team.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Honestly, a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Man. It's like super busy, just kind of rebuild behind
the scenes everything, and and now we're back to you know,
getting the new record and just back to being a
band again, doing our stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I have to like doing photography, I mean doing concert photography.
I know, I saw you. I saw pictures of you,
which was funny because when you were in my town,
I couldn't make the show, so I just had too
much going on weeknight. I do morning radio analysis, like
it's too much, but but I saw pictures of you.
I'm like, oh, hey, it's Joe.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It's it's really fun. And I didn't I didn't, you know,
ever think to do it.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I never thought I would ever do it, but I
just started doing it, and it is really fun because
it's cool because it's like I'm so well versed in
being in like the concert environment, you know what I mean,
and I like just kind of floating around it, but
nobody kind of knows I'm there, so I'm just kind
of like cruising around like little Ninja, just snapping stuff,
capture and stuff. And I really have a lot of
fun just I think I just love being in the
(02:25):
environment of like a show, you know, and just like
with all the people, and I love being in there
and I love capturing it and then you know, sharing
what I you know, it through my through my view
because it was always like I was on stage, I
was getting filmed by other people or shot by other people.
And so now I can do all this stuff that
I wish those other people would have shot me, you
know what I mean, So like I can my point
(02:45):
of view. You know, it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I really enjoy it. Right.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Do you ever get a moment where she's like you're
my husband, like you can't shoot me better than that?
Because I just feel like when you're with your lady,
you know what I mean, Like at some point it's
gonna be like come.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
On, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
You know, I shoot a lot, you know, and I'm
very thorough, like I shoot probably more than most people do.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I just want to get I don't want to miss anything,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, And then and then I'll just put a bunch
of stuff together and then she can just people what
she likes.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I just to drop box to say, hey, you use
what you like and then you know stuff, that's the.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Way to do it. So okay.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So and then as far as the band stuff, like
you said, years writing some some industry stuff, so behind
the scenes, kind of having to kind of rebuild the business,
the brand of Dead back up a little.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, kind of.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I mean yeah, like just kind of ran into like
the label was just kind of holding us kind of
just like felt like we're holding us underwater and wouldn't
let us like release music when like they're just being
really resistant to.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
A bunch of stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
We just kind of had a whole thing and I don't,
you know, I don't even want to It's it's fine
because it's in the past now, but just the whole thing, man,
we just couldn't do anything, and we just so so
what we did was we just built like a recording
studio in Phoenix, like a real you know, real cool
one and recording just a mountainous songs, probably forty forty
or fifty songs, ideas and stuff. And you know, it
just worked worked really hard on that and and you know,
(04:07):
just doing.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
What we could.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
And so then as we kind of you know, over
the past year or so, you know, got yeah, just
knew everything. New manager, new lawyer, new new uh a
new agent, the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Everything was just new and fresh. And it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Man.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
It's like everybody feels really good.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And our managers like somebody that I was friends with,
like we went to high school together actually, and then
he went on, yeah, and which is awesome, super full circle.
Like he used to like make movies and I'd be
in his movies and.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
We were you know kids. He like my old band.
He shoot at music videos. So he went on.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
He's like manages like Escape the Fane and fly Leaf
and a bunch of bands is like that too, And
you know, we were always somewhere else. But it was
really cool to kind of get back with somebody that
I've known for like, you know, forever, and so it's
really cool to be working with him.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It's like a friend, you know, So.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
That's got to help in the trust factor, right to
hand over the rings to somebody you've known since you
were a kid.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah, it does, man, And then and there's just like
a you know, he he gets.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
What we're doing.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
He was around, you know, through all of our you know,
he saw me be like sixteen or seventeen, my first
kind of like metal band, you know, when I was starting,
like he was he was there. And then I was
in like more like the metal core stuff or hardcore stuff,
and he was around for that. So he's been around
for all of my like different incarnations of bands, you know,
and so like, you know, it's just what I mean,
(05:22):
it's just like a old friend that just kind of
gets you and understands your journey and your path.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
And so it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Man, and you know, and and he's really embedded in
the scenes. He's in a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
You know. It's cool. So yeah, it feels really good.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
A great point because you've been in you've been in
different kinds of bands. Yeah, obviously we listen to different
kinds of music, and we've talked about that but incorporate
all of that sort of styles into your music, because
even listening to the to the couple of new songs
that are out there's it's different. It's not the same
anti Everything Dead.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Okay, right, you know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Do you do you kind of like all that all
that accumulation of of styles of experience, you know what
I mean, coming out in different forms when you guys
are writing like you know, obviously vocally but also musically.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And I think that works for anybody that's in the band.
Like I said, like, if I look back at my journey,
you know, East Fan was at least, you know, a
couple of maybe two, three, four years or whatever. So
like my first band was like a pop punk band,
Like we were trying to be like m xph right.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
And think we all had one of those man, every
everybody's the Green Day, Black Gray too.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Wait, what was yours called? Because I guarantee my band's
name was worse?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Uh? My mind was called Going Postal, Going Postal? All right?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Mine was called no Distinction because we sounded like everyone else.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Okay, I think your name is cooler though, but yeah,
Going post is so stupid.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, we go both is like yeah, all right, yeah,
it worked for the time. It worked for the time,
right exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
And then I was in a big old half game
that was like just straight up I was just again
sixteen seventeen eighteen, just fully immersed in the new metal
scene at that time, so it was like started in
punk new metal and then got the whole the whole
thing sounded like you know, corn and deftnes and stain
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
And then after that I was.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
In like a kind of like a metal core hardcore
band called The Cover Up. We sounded like every Time
I Die and glass Shaw and stuff. And then after
that I did like a hard rock band that was
like very influenced by like you know, like popa Roach
and you know, Velvet Revolver and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
And then and then and then that was like the last.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Band I did, So I did like all of those bands,
so like hard rock, metal core, hardcore, punk, new metal.
Then I think that's where we are now. Is really
everything that I've ever done. I think we're matching it
into the new stuff, you know. And then a lot
of electronic and hip hop I think mixed in with
it as well, you know, and that kind of thing.
So that was the thing where we're doing these new
song too. It was just like, throw the roll book
(07:52):
out the window, do whatever we like, you know. And
this is the first record we have like solos on
you know, our get our guitar player Alex this is
his first record being on a record with us too,
so like we let him kind of go crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
You did some solos, some kind of Slayer stuff and
you know, no rules.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Man, there you go.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Hey, as a guitar player, I'll keep I'll take the solos.
Oh yeah, dude. The song purpose be Myself. It is
so driving. It's so I mean you mentioned punk rock.
It sounds like a punk rock song, but it sounds
like a punk rock song that went through the ministry
machine that then uh then like also had the new
(08:29):
metal stuff. I don't know, it's weird.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
It's just it's so driving.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, that's cool. I'm glad that you that you received
it that way. I think you know, I think you're
feeling it. So that's cool, man. And uh, it was
the last one that we wrote for the record, and
you know, you talk about that like we're definitely the
idea was like to me, it ended up turning into
like kind of like a nine inch Nails meets like
Faith No More meets like we had trying to do
(08:55):
like some Prodigy kind of vibe with that, like Drummond
Bassed stuff, and I don't know, it just turned out
how it did.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Like it's not it wasn't like super intentional.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It's like you're kind of going with an intention of
something and then as you're creating it with something in mind,
it goes through your filter of whatever it ends up
sounding like, you know, so then I might have thought, well,
I think it sounded like this, and someone else to
hear it and say I said like that something like that.
But I'm really excited on the song. Man, I'm really
stoked the way it turned out.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
It just feels like really energetic and heavy but also
really catchy and just it felt fresh to me, you know,
like it felt like something that would be coming out
you know now, or or we try to almost write
like we had the term future music. We tried to
write music that maybe would come out in the future
it would wouldn't even come out today, or something that
was at least what we tried to do.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
It's really happy lyrically and stuff like, there's a positive
message to it.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
It's good.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
It's kind of against you know, us being inundated with
the Internet and us being inundated.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
With TV or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And it's really about you know, just like I think,
you know, people always say what's the meaning of life?
And I think it really is to just live in
your purpose and and follow your intuition.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I really think that is the meaning of life. So
I really liked that. Yeah cool, and you're getting getting
all philosophical.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, well, Joseph Campbell types su.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Sure, go there, go there, Joe. It's fine. So what's
inspiring your music or lyrically to to kind of write
like that? Because this song, you know, and and and
again you listen to dead music, it's been. I mean,
let's just do it. Let's just do it from the
surface level. Songs like hate Me and sounds like anti everything,
you know, which I mentioned before, Kill Beautiful Things, which
(10:28):
was a huge hit for you guys.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's been.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It sounds like it could be negative, it sounds like
it could be a certain way. And then you know,
you're telling me this has kind of that that purposeful
positive messaging to it, right, I think.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I think that's always been like part of it.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Like if you look at it like a surface level,
you know, like it could be like, oh, you know,
you take anti everything for example, like as like, okay,
just what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
It means you don't like anything, whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And really, if you listen to the lyrics, it's really
all about being an individual. It's just about you know,
I don't want to be associated necessarily with any groups.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I want to be myself.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I want to take from different things and make my
own path, you know. That's what That's what I say.
Everything is really it and so and then kill beautiful
things as well. It's like that dichotomy of of uh,
of wanting to be a good force in the world,
but then you know, you get sucked into the abyss
and the negative stuff happens to you and you try
not to mimic those negative things and you and it's
(11:25):
a struggle. It's a balance to be, you know, a
good force in the world sometimes and so anyway, that's
kind of what that is to me. I try, you know,
I try to leave the songs open to interpretation a
little bit and you know, let people receive it.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
However, they do, but it's like it's negative. It's like
negative music for positive people. I guess through whatever you
go negative.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Music, you know, like you get it out, but but
there's a there's a there's always a little bit of
hope sprinkled in the negativity.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And I think that's that's what it's about, you.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Know, like that negative people or negative Wait what was
it negative music for positive Yeah? We need that sometimes.
What about the rest? So I imagine you wrote that
many songs. This is just a taste of what's to
come right for the band dett I mean, what's this
record feeling like as far as you know, is it
sort of like purpose be myself? Or does it go
(12:13):
into different realms?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I think all kinds of realms actually, man, Like, I
think it's all over the place.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
There's some the heaviest stuff we've ever done, very very
very very heavy stuff, and I think some very you know,
some of the biggest choruses and most melodic stuff. There's,
like I said, like there's some like thrash on there,
which is crazy. I mean I did like some wrapping
over like some like speed skate thrash stuff which I've
never heard anybody do. And I was like, I want
to do something different. I always try to do something different,
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you know, in a lot of the parts. So there's
you know, there's some hard rock stuff. There's like some
of these you know, kind of punk field. Big chorus always,
big choruses, love choruses, you know, even if it's heavy,
big chorus heavy, you know, go for like the Lamb
of God Hate Breed where it's heavy, but it's really catching, anthomatic,
you know, or whatever. So yeah, there's just a mix
of really everything we love, industrial, hip hop, hard rock, punk,
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new metal, metal core, hardcore, everything you can think of.
We just mashed it in and just made like a
big stew of of all of our favorite stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
You know, you can't wait to hear it.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I can't wait for you to hear it.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Okay, So by the time this goes live, it will
already be out great.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Oh well, that's that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And then we're going to be out on tour, the
Black Mass Tour.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Within this moment, day seekerta.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
That I saw, Yeah, and that's cool. That's a cool
that's a cool tour, man, it is. It's amazing. Yeah,
I love Day Secrets become one of my favorite new
bands so good. Rory's been on the show quite a
few times now at this point, I love it to
death obviously, you know what we feel about in this moment,
and you know Dead on that the visuals will be
insane the speaking of that. Are you guys still doing
(13:46):
because okay, debt if you if for anybody who's just
watching this or listening to this and going, yeah, I
remember that song. I don't know much about the band
you were doing the white out contacts and you know
there's a lot of dark, kind of gray tones. Is
that still the thing with Dead I mean, are you
still kind of going that realm?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, white context.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
We kind of stopped actually, we stopped doing that on
the second record.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
We just started doing things. And then this time around.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Like again, having that time down and everything, it really
just brought us back. Like we said, we just kind
of just said, let's get back to her, just go
back to just square one. And that was what it
was like back in Arizona, writing all of our songs
by ourselves.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
We've produced the record ourselves too, which is really cool,
which is.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Kind of like the first record where we had years
to just write it and just do it ourselves. In
our bedrooms, but now we have a studio and everything,
and so yeah, I really got back to the beginning
of it. Context back just to stick to what you know,
stick to what started, and just have fun with it.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Man.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
The video for Purpose Being Myself, I mean you can
kind of see some of that, but again it's it's
it's gray and flashing lights and yeah, chaos. It's yes,
chaos that is the right term for that video. Need
a little chaos in your life, but with a positive message, right,
so I'm talking about And then watch the video for Purpose,
uh be Myself?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And then again the tour within this moment, what's it called.
It's the Black Mass Tour. Black Mass Tour, thank you
very much.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
A Halloween touring. Costume contest and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Are you guys doing Are you doing costume contests on
the tour?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
They're doing costume contests on the tour.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yes, I imagine for the people showing up, not for
the band, not.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
For the band, not the bands.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I think if there was a costume conness in this moment,
we just kick everybody's ass, Like you know.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
It'd be the second dancing girl, she'd win everyone, just
for the fun of it. That's very cool that you
guys are gonna do gooda do all that is our prizes, Like,
what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, there's probably I don't know. I'm off the top ahead.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah you can win like I don't know, merch packs
and different stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I don't know at all, but yeah cool.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
All right, Black Mass Tour and Dad's new album One
More Time Than Name.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Now I'm gonna I'm gonna like write it down listen
to it.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, yeah, save it on Spotify or whatever so it
pops up on what comes out.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
No, dude, like you're on right now. Yeah, I can
just email it to you. I can send it to you, bro,
so you can just have it.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I would love you forever more I will.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I'm gonna I'll send to you and get off awesome.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Well I'm pre saving it anyway because that helps your numbers.
A yeah, Joe from Dad. It's so good to see you, man,
I'm happy for everything for you guys to really thank
you so much.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Dude. Great to see you too, man. I can feel
your beautiful energy through the computer. Bro. You know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I just redid I just redid my my basement. Office here.
So I'm like, okay, Like my wife helped me. Like
it's amazing, right when you get you know, a woman's
touch all of a sudden, it's like, oh wait that works.
I just I don't know. I've been doing interviews in
this in this room, in this space which is just
literally was a storage area in my basement, and I
built a desk into it and like put up like
(16:52):
literally just egg cartons and blankets behind the wall, you know,
to try to get some of the sound right. And
she finally just helped me kind of go, no, let's
let's clean this and let's let's get this right. I
mean she even put my amp in the corner and
it's sick. Yeah you know, my guitars are right there
at easy access, and yeah it does no, it.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Has like a flavor to and everything like that, Like
it looks well put together.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Thanks man. So you know, yeah, life is life is good.
Life is really good.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I love that. Bro Carter's rock Cast. Don't forget to
tune in exactly
My attention please and no it Cutters rock cast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Dude, Joe from Dead, It's good to see you, my friend.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
What's up? Man? I'll start my alarms going off and sick.
How are you? Dude?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Set your alarm telling me? Oh I got to talk
to Cutter?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah that's what it is, pretty much. Ye I got
I gotta do so many alarms going off all day
for ship to.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Do lists, and then I won't do it and then
just I got alarms day add up and whatever, so stupid.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
See I was just talking to somebody earlier. Man, I'm
ready to go back to pen and paper. Yeah, I
feel you. I think it's gotten too convoluted. Yeah, I
mean I just need to go back and go Yeah.
All right, check me too.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Forget it done. Yeah. What have you been up to?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Like catch me off in the last couple of years,
because it's been a minute since we talked about Dead. Uh.
Obviously on a personal level, I ran into you a
couple of times, but like as far as professionally, like
what do you get? What have you guys been doing
the last couple of years? You got a new song?
We'll talk about that in a minute.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Okay, Yeah, all kinds of stuff, man. I mean it's
been a wild couple of years, you know, dead We've
been just writing, recording stuff. Had a bunch of like
behind the scenes industry nonsense happened that was really rough.
And I've been out, you know, with with Maria stuff
from in this moment.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
It was my lady.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
So I've been out doing photography and stuff for them,
which has been really fun. And but writing a bunch
kind of rebuilding ourselves, you know, rebuilding our team.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Honestly, a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Man. It's like super busy, just kind of rebuild behind
the scenes everything, and and now we're back to you know,
getting the new record and just back to being a
band again, doing our stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I have to like doing photography, I mean doing concert photography.
I know, I saw you. I saw pictures of you,
which was funny because when you were in my town,
I couldn't make the show, so I just had too
much going on weeknight. I do morning radio analysis, like
it's too much, but but I saw pictures of you.
I'm like, oh, hey, it's Joe.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It's it's really fun. And I didn't I didn't, you know,
ever think to do it.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I never thought I would ever do it, but I
just started doing it, and it is really fun because
it's cool because it's like I'm so well versed in
being in like the concert environment, you know what I mean,
and I like just kind of floating around it, but
nobody kind of knows I'm there, so I'm just kind
of like cruising around like little Ninja, just snapping stuff,
capture and stuff. And I really have a lot of
fun just I think I just love being in the
(02:25):
environment of like a show, you know, and just like
with all the people, and I love being in there
and I love capturing it and then you know, sharing
what I you know, it through my through my view
because it was always like I was on stage, I
was getting filmed by other people or shot by other people.
And so now I can do all this stuff that
I wish those other people would have shot me, you
know what I mean, So like I can my point
(02:45):
of view. You know, it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I really enjoy it. Right.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Do you ever get a moment where she's like you're
my husband, like you can't shoot me better than that?
Because I just feel like when you're with your lady,
you know what I mean, Like at some point it's
gonna be like come.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
On, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
You know, I shoot a lot, you know, and I'm
very thorough, like I shoot probably more than most people do.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I just want to get I don't want to miss anything,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, And then and then I'll just put a bunch
of stuff together and then she can just people what
she likes.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I just to drop box to say, hey, you use
what you like and then you know stuff, that's the.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Way to do it. So okay.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So and then as far as the band stuff, like
you said, years writing some some industry stuff, so behind
the scenes, kind of having to kind of rebuild the business,
the brand of Dead back up a little.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, kind of.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I mean yeah, like just kind of ran into like
the label was just kind of holding us kind of
just like felt like we're holding us underwater and wouldn't
let us like release music when like they're just being
really resistant to.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
A bunch of stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
We just kind of had a whole thing and I don't,
you know, I don't even want to It's it's fine
because it's in the past now, but just the whole thing, man,
we just couldn't do anything, and we just so so
what we did was we just built like a recording
studio in Phoenix, like a real you know, real cool
one and recording just a mountainous songs, probably forty forty
or fifty songs, ideas and stuff. And you know, it
just worked worked really hard on that and and you know,
(04:07):
just doing.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
What we could.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
And so then as we kind of you know, over
the past year or so, you know, got yeah, just
knew everything. New manager, new lawyer, new new uh a
new agent, the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Everything was just new and fresh. And it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Man.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
It's like everybody feels really good.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And our managers like somebody that I was friends with,
like we went to high school together actually, and then
he went on, yeah, and which is awesome, super full circle.
Like he used to like make movies and I'd be
in his movies and.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
We were you know kids. He like my old band.
He shoot at music videos. So he went on.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
He's like manages like Escape the Fane and fly Leaf
and a bunch of bands is like that too, And
you know, we were always somewhere else. But it was
really cool to kind of get back with somebody that
I've known for like, you know, forever, and so it's
really cool to be working with him.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It's like a friend, you know, So.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
That's got to help in the trust factor, right to
hand over the rings to somebody you've known since you
were a kid.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah, it does, man, And then and there's just like
a you know, he he gets.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
What we're doing.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
He was around, you know, through all of our you know,
he saw me be like sixteen or seventeen, my first
kind of like metal band, you know, when I was starting,
like he was he was there. And then I was
in like more like the metal core stuff or hardcore stuff,
and he was around for that. So he's been around
for all of my like different incarnations of bands, you know,
and so like, you know, it's just what I mean,
(05:22):
it's just like a old friend that just kind of
gets you and understands your journey and your path.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
And so it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Man, and you know, and and he's really embedded in
the scenes. He's in a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
You know. It's cool. So yeah, it feels really good.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
A great point because you've been in you've been in
different kinds of bands. Yeah, obviously we listen to different
kinds of music, and we've talked about that but incorporate
all of that sort of styles into your music, because
even listening to the to the couple of new songs
that are out there's it's different. It's not the same
anti Everything Dead.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Okay, right, you know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Do you do you kind of like all that all
that accumulation of of styles of experience, you know what
I mean, coming out in different forms when you guys
are writing like you know, obviously vocally but also musically.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And I think that works for anybody that's in the band.
Like I said, like, if I look back at my journey,
you know, East Fan was at least, you know, a
couple of maybe two, three, four years or whatever. So
like my first band was like a pop punk band,
Like we were trying to be like m xph right.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
And think we all had one of those man, every
everybody's the Green Day, Black Gray too.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Wait, what was yours called? Because I guarantee my band's
name was worse?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Uh? My mind was called Going Postal, Going Postal? All right?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Mine was called no Distinction because we sounded like everyone else.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Okay, I think your name is cooler though, but yeah,
Going post is so stupid.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, we go both is like yeah, all right, yeah,
it worked for the time. It worked for the time,
right exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
And then I was in a big old half game
that was like just straight up I was just again
sixteen seventeen eighteen, just fully immersed in the new metal
scene at that time, so it was like started in
punk new metal and then got the whole the whole
thing sounded like you know, corn and deftnes and stain
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
And then after that I was.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
In like a kind of like a metal core hardcore
band called The Cover Up. We sounded like every Time
I Die and glass Shaw and stuff. And then after
that I did like a hard rock band that was
like very influenced by like you know, like popa Roach
and you know, Velvet Revolver and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
And then and then and then that was like the last.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Band I did, So I did like all of those bands,
so like hard rock, metal core, hardcore, punk, new metal.
Then I think that's where we are now. Is really
everything that I've ever done. I think we're matching it
into the new stuff, you know. And then a lot
of electronic and hip hop I think mixed in with
it as well, you know, and that kind of thing.
So that was the thing where we're doing these new
song too. It was just like, throw the roll book
(07:52):
out the window, do whatever we like, you know. And
this is the first record we have like solos on
you know, our get our guitar player Alex this is
his first record being on a record with us too,
so like we let him kind of go crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
You did some solos, some kind of Slayer stuff and
you know, no rules.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Man, there you go.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Hey, as a guitar player, I'll keep I'll take the solos.
Oh yeah, dude. The song purpose be Myself. It is
so driving. It's so I mean you mentioned punk rock.
It sounds like a punk rock song, but it sounds
like a punk rock song that went through the ministry
machine that then uh then like also had the new
(08:29):
metal stuff. I don't know, it's weird.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
It's just it's so driving.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, that's cool. I'm glad that you that you received
it that way. I think you know, I think you're
feeling it. So that's cool, man. And uh, it was
the last one that we wrote for the record, and
you know, you talk about that like we're definitely the
idea was like to me, it ended up turning into
like kind of like a nine inch Nails meets like
Faith No More meets like we had trying to do
(08:55):
like some Prodigy kind of vibe with that, like Drummond
Bassed stuff, and I don't know, it just turned out
how it did.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Like it's not it wasn't like super intentional.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It's like you're kind of going with an intention of
something and then as you're creating it with something in mind,
it goes through your filter of whatever it ends up
sounding like, you know, so then I might have thought, well,
I think it sounded like this, and someone else to
hear it and say I said like that something like that.
But I'm really excited on the song. Man, I'm really
stoked the way it turned out.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
It just feels like really energetic and heavy but also
really catchy and just it felt fresh to me, you know,
like it felt like something that would be coming out
you know now, or or we try to almost write
like we had the term future music. We tried to
write music that maybe would come out in the future
it would wouldn't even come out today, or something that
was at least what we tried to do.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
It's really happy lyrically and stuff like, there's a positive
message to it.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
It's good.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
It's kind of against you know, us being inundated with
the Internet and us being inundated.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
With TV or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And it's really about you know, just like I think,
you know, people always say what's the meaning of life?
And I think it really is to just live in
your purpose and and follow your intuition.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I really think that is the meaning of life. So
I really liked that. Yeah cool, and you're getting getting
all philosophical.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, well, Joseph Campbell types su.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Sure, go there, go there, Joe. It's fine. So what's
inspiring your music or lyrically to to kind of write
like that? Because this song, you know, and and and
again you listen to dead music, it's been. I mean,
let's just do it. Let's just do it from the
surface level. Songs like hate Me and sounds like anti everything,
you know, which I mentioned before, Kill Beautiful Things, which
(10:28):
was a huge hit for you guys.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's been.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It sounds like it could be negative, it sounds like
it could be a certain way. And then you know,
you're telling me this has kind of that that purposeful
positive messaging to it, right, I think.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I think that's always been like part of it.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Like if you look at it like a surface level,
you know, like it could be like, oh, you know,
you take anti everything for example, like as like, okay,
just what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
It means you don't like anything, whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And really, if you listen to the lyrics, it's really
all about being an individual. It's just about you know,
I don't want to be associated necessarily with any groups.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I want to be myself.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I want to take from different things and make my
own path, you know. That's what That's what I say.
Everything is really it and so and then kill beautiful
things as well. It's like that dichotomy of of uh,
of wanting to be a good force in the world,
but then you know, you get sucked into the abyss
and the negative stuff happens to you and you try
not to mimic those negative things and you and it's
(11:25):
a struggle. It's a balance to be, you know, a
good force in the world sometimes and so anyway, that's
kind of what that is to me. I try, you know,
I try to leave the songs open to interpretation a
little bit and you know, let people receive it.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
However, they do, but it's like it's negative. It's like
negative music for positive people. I guess through whatever you
go negative.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Music, you know, like you get it out, but but
there's a there's a there's always a little bit of
hope sprinkled in the negativity.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And I think that's that's what it's about, you.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Know, like that negative people or negative Wait what was
it negative music for positive Yeah? We need that sometimes.
What about the rest? So I imagine you wrote that
many songs. This is just a taste of what's to
come right for the band dett I mean, what's this
record feeling like as far as you know, is it
sort of like purpose be myself? Or does it go
(12:13):
into different realms?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I think all kinds of realms actually, man, Like, I
think it's all over the place.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
There's some the heaviest stuff we've ever done, very very
very very heavy stuff, and I think some very you know,
some of the biggest choruses and most melodic stuff. There's,
like I said, like there's some like thrash on there,
which is crazy. I mean I did like some wrapping
over like some like speed skate thrash stuff which I've
never heard anybody do. And I was like, I want
to do something different. I always try to do something different,
(12:41):
you know, in a lot of the parts. So there's
you know, there's some hard rock stuff. There's like some
of these you know, kind of punk field. Big chorus always,
big choruses, love choruses, you know, even if it's heavy,
big chorus heavy, you know, go for like the Lamb
of God Hate Breed where it's heavy, but it's really catching, anthomatic,
you know, or whatever. So yeah, there's just a mix
of really everything we love, industrial, hip hop, hard rock, punk,
(13:03):
new metal, metal core, hardcore, everything you can think of.
We just mashed it in and just made like a
big stew of of all of our favorite stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
You know, you can't wait to hear it.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I can't wait for you to hear it.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Okay, So by the time this goes live, it will
already be out great.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Oh well, that's that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And then we're going to be out on tour, the
Black Mass Tour.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Within this moment, day seekerta.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
That I saw, Yeah, and that's cool. That's a cool
that's a cool tour, man, it is. It's amazing. Yeah,
I love Day Secrets become one of my favorite new
bands so good. Rory's been on the show quite a
few times now at this point, I love it to
death obviously, you know what we feel about in this moment,
and you know Dead on that the visuals will be
insane the speaking of that. Are you guys still doing
(13:46):
because okay, debt if you if for anybody who's just
watching this or listening to this and going, yeah, I
remember that song. I don't know much about the band
you were doing the white out contacts and you know
there's a lot of dark, kind of gray tones. Is
that still the thing with Dead I mean, are you
still kind of going that realm?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, white context.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
We kind of stopped actually, we stopped doing that on
the second record.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
We just started doing things. And then this time around.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Like again, having that time down and everything, it really
just brought us back. Like we said, we just kind
of just said, let's get back to her, just go
back to just square one. And that was what it
was like back in Arizona, writing all of our songs
by ourselves.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
We've produced the record ourselves too, which is really cool,
which is.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Kind of like the first record where we had years
to just write it and just do it ourselves. In
our bedrooms, but now we have a studio and everything,
and so yeah, I really got back to the beginning
of it. Context back just to stick to what you know,
stick to what started, and just have fun with it.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Man.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
The video for Purpose Being Myself, I mean you can
kind of see some of that, but again it's it's
it's gray and flashing lights and yeah, chaos. It's yes,
chaos that is the right term for that video. Need
a little chaos in your life, but with a positive message, right,
so I'm talking about And then watch the video for Purpose,
uh be Myself?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And then again the tour within this moment, what's it called.
It's the Black Mass Tour. Black Mass Tour, thank you
very much.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
A Halloween touring. Costume contest and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Are you guys doing Are you doing costume contests on
the tour?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
They're doing costume contests on the tour.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yes, I imagine for the people showing up, not for
the band, not.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
For the band, not the bands.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I think if there was a costume conness in this moment,
we just kick everybody's ass, Like you know.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
It'd be the second dancing girl, she'd win everyone, just
for the fun of it. That's very cool that you
guys are gonna do gooda do all that is our prizes, Like,
what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, there's probably I don't know. I'm off the top ahead.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah you can win like I don't know, merch packs
and different stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I don't know at all, but yeah cool.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
All right, Black Mass Tour and Dad's new album One
More Time Than Name.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Now I'm gonna I'm gonna like write it down listen
to it.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, yeah, save it on Spotify or whatever so it
pops up on what comes out.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
No, dude, like you're on right now. Yeah, I can
just email it to you. I can send it to you, bro,
so you can just have it.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I would love you forever more I will.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I'm gonna I'll send to you and get off awesome.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Well I'm pre saving it anyway because that helps your numbers.
A yeah, Joe from Dad. It's so good to see you, man,
I'm happy for everything for you guys to really thank
you so much.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Dude. Great to see you too, man. I can feel
your beautiful energy through the computer. Bro. You know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I just redid I just redid my my basement. Office here.
So I'm like, okay, Like my wife helped me. Like
it's amazing, right when you get you know, a woman's
touch all of a sudden, it's like, oh wait that works.
I just I don't know. I've been doing interviews in
this in this room, in this space which is just
literally was a storage area in my basement, and I
built a desk into it and like put up like
(16:52):
literally just egg cartons and blankets behind the wall, you know,
to try to get some of the sound right. And
she finally just helped me kind of go, no, let's
let's clean this and let's let's get this right. I
mean she even put my amp in the corner and
it's sick. Yeah you know, my guitars are right there
at easy access, and yeah it does no, it.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Has like a flavor to and everything like that, Like
it looks well put together.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Thanks man. So you know, yeah, life is life is good.
Life is really good.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I love that. Bro Carter's rock Cast. Don't forget to
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