Episode 164 - Dr. Mike Israetel: Making Educated Choices Around Your Health & Fitness - D&D Fitness Radio Podcast

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Welcome to the D and D FitnessRadio podcast, brought to you by your
hosts Don Saladino from New York Cityand Derek Hanson from Vancouver, Canada.
That's up, guys, who's agood color for you? Man? You

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don't have to say that. Iknow it's all bs. That's not a
good color for you. Thank youso much. Good to see you man.
Likewise, am I is my uh? Is that good? I think
you sound great? Sounds good,so, doctor Mike. This is Derek
Hanson. Derek's been my podcast partnerfor probably four or five years now.

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More just a fun conversation, PatDerek those Pat Davidson really well. It
is really good buddies. And thenPats go on to a bunch of Derek's
courses. Derek was just that Pat'scourse in Cali. Derek's in my eyes,
one of the pre premiere running mechanicscoaches on the planet. He's phenomenal.
He's based out of Thankouver, Canada. And listen, man, this

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is just a fun, loose conversation. I want to bring some you know,
more recognition to your site and everythingthat you're doing, because you know,
I really believe that out of peoplein the industry doing what they're doing.
I hold you at a very highat a very high regard there,
so I love what you're doing andagain appreciate you coming out to the Barn

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a few weeks ago and you know, having that conversation and it's just been
great getting to know you lately.Man, dude, Thank you so much.
Man, Derek, how are yougood? Nice to meet you.
Man, heard a bunch about you. So interested in asking some questions and
getting your thoughts on some things.I can't wait to disappoint. So just

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give it a little background. Soyou're you're the co founder of Renaissance Periitization.
Yes, correct, Can you explainyou runs Perioditization a bit. Yeah,
So we actually just technically rebranded toour pe Strength, so it's easier
to say. We started the companybecause we saw a lot of meaning,

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well meaning people that were intelligent andwanted better physiques and better health getting kind
of ripped off by people who didn'treally know any science, weren't really curious
about science, and just kind ofwent on tradition and just did stuff that
didn't make any sense. And sowe started coaching folks in nutrition and coaching
folks in training mostly for body composition, coached a lot of athletes, and

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at the time that we started thecompany, I was actually getting my PhD
at Eastnessee State University and we werewe had an Olympic training site there for
weightlifting, and I started helping theweightlifters with their diets and their watercuts and
stuff like that to make sure theymade weight. And then so that got
us into the weightlifting space, whichthen got us into the CrossFit space,
and we helped a lot of crossfitterswith their diet and training and got a

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lot of people in the shape.Eventually we branched out more into general physique
stuff. We eventually got so manyclients ourselves we had to hire other coaches
at some point. We have alot of the same kind of emails and
questions from clients of why do youdo your dieting like this and why do
you do your training like that?So we wrote a diet book and then
later a training book to kind ofhelp people understand our perspective on things.

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And while writing those books respectively,sort of realized that part of the book
chapters were kind of how to designa training program, how to design a
diet, and I realized at thetime that this could probably be accomplished by
a computer program, and so atfirst we launched the RP Diet Coach diet
app, and then recently we launchedthe rpiper Trophy Training app. And those

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are apps that cost like a dollara day and they can help you make
your own program and guide you viaexpert system AI to do a real good
job. And the aapp kind oflistens to your feedback and tells you what
to do next based on that.So now we run a company that's actually
technically a software company at this point. And recently we've had some success on

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YouTube. So I'm on YouTube makingjokes and trying to teach people science and
stuff like that, and so wehave a big team of coaches and all
that in addition, and it's beena lot of fun. I guess,
so time time flies now. It'sbeen great to see your journey now.
I think YouTube is definitely where Ifirst found you. I think one of

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the things that I love is thatI don't want to say that you're controversial,
but in a way you challenge people, and I think you challenge people
in a very fair way. There'sa lot of I'll quote Leane Norton,
he keeps using the words Charlatan's outthere and dying when he uses it because
it's really funny. But I alsothink, you know, as someone's a
purist. And I have been inthis industry now almost thirty years as a

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coach. I want to see,want to see the separation, right,
I want to see who the realcoaches like you are, and I want
I want in a way, Yeah, it's my job to expose the people
who aren't. No, it's notmy job, but I shure as how
like when the fingers point in andit's like, all right, you know
what they you know, they're makingship up. I mean, it's really

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happening in the industry. Now,I'm blown away. How it's not even
like, well, I'm giving youmy opinion. There's a level of certainty
that I don't really want to callthem coaches in a way. They are
influencers, are are guru thank youmuch better gurus are coming on and they're
delivering a message in a level ofcertainty, and I think it's dangerous.

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Yeah, it's uh people, thepeople that I tend to focus on the
most. It sounds really uh,really fake. I promise it. It's
not. Is the potential clients andcustomers of everyone who's trying to get fit.
People trying to get fit, theygo on to the internet, or
they talk to people in their gym, they talk to family members over dinner,

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and various ideas as to how topursue fitness are kind of foisted upon
them. It's like, hey,like, you should do this, you
should do fasting, you should dosteak only, you should train with this
kind of movement or this machine.And there are various degrees of certainty presented
around this, and typically the peoplethat are the most confident and to your
point, kind of sometimes overly certainabout their veracity of their claims, they

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tend to be the loudest, andpeople tend to kind of if you're saying
things very tentatively and very sheepishly,a lot of people are like, Eh,
this guy doesn't even know if he'sright, so why would I follow
him and do his stuff? Butif you say, like, this is
exactly how you need to do itto get the best results, a lot
of people kind of colaspond to thatand go interesting, Okay, I'll try
this out. And people get populara lot of times through mass appeal and
how they sell themselves versus the underlyingscience of the claims, generallying sciences.

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I mean insanely difficult for people whoare not educated in the specific kind of
science to pars. I mean,if someone's telling me, hey, like,
you should get this kind of laptopversus other kind of laptop, Well,
what am I supposed to know whichone I get? I don't know
how laptops work in the slightest AndI might follow a YouTube or that does
tech reviews that's just full of nonsense, but it's a good looking person that

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speaks very articulately and is convincing,and I say, oh, this guy
sounds like he knows what he's doing, and I'm dead wrong, even though
I'm fairly intelligent and educated on myown right. So this is a problem
where people who come to fitness whoaren't educated in fitness specifically, Like,
you know, no one's fooling you, guys, but you are not really
consumers of fitness content. You're producersof content. So from most people are
consumers, and it just gu's reallyunfortunate when people get ripped off. And

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so I do have a bit ofa because you know, I make fun
of people on the channel, andI say, usually it's all all of
love and all love and respect,just jokes. I don't like that part.
Really, it's funny. It getsthe clicks in the views, and
I'm not terrible at it, butI don't like to be confrontational. I
don't like to call people out.But god damn it, somebody's got to

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do it, because some of thesepeople are just presenting a vision of the
world and how to get fit andhow to get in shape that is wrong
and costing people time and money.And if someone calls them out, maybe
it's me. Maybe I'm wrong,but maybe I'm not wrong. And so
what I think of YouTube and podcastsand all this other media is a gigantic
conversations that all humans are having witheach other into more voices in a conversation

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is generally better than fewer. Andif I critique someone and I'm wrong about
it, hey gip saying, chalkone up to them. I never claimed
to be right about everything, andI could be wrong about anything I'm saying,
including this stuff coming out of mymouth now. But if at least
someone is calling out folks that maynot be telling the whole truth or may
have a very distorted view of reality. People can look at that and go,
nah, liver King's still right,doctor Mike's an idiot, or they

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could go, oh, man,maybe liver King has been lying to me,
or maybe his understanding, even ifwell meant, of how things work
in the human body, is justincorrect to some extent, And so over
time, I think that helps everyonelearn a little bit more and then they
make better and better choices over time. Kind of a proof of that is
in advertising and marketing, if youlook at current and of like best ads

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that occur maybe during the super Bowlor during anytime you watch TV, anytime
you see commercials a lot of commercialsnow or like some combination of comedic and
honest, where they're like, looklike, this is what the product does.
Here's a funny joke about it.And that's kind of how you get
why is it different than it usedto be in the nineteen fifties when mass
advertising really started. I mean thekind of shit that used to be able

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to say in the fifties, itjust straight up lies and insane claims like
man, that's product, will he'llfix everything in your life, saying you
all me a writer's ran, allrich and have a career, and you're
like whoa and all from taking aviemin amazing. That stuff doesn't work on
people anymore nearly as much because everyoneon average is just more savvy. And
if nothing else through this YouTube stuff, what I'm trying to get is get
the average fitness consumer to become alittle bit more savvy, to think,

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hmm, is this really true whatthis person is saying or is it not
true? And if they become moresavvy and a little bit more educated,
they can make better choices and consumemore content and products and services from companies
that do a good job and aremore scientifically based, and maybe a little
bit of fewer consumption of goods andservices from if the extreme has Lane rightfully
calls them Charlatan's people like doctor Gundryand doctor Ax or just fucking liars and

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less extreme ends people that are abit less nuanced. So maybe we're doing
some of that. I never cantell. Mister Nickshaw just hits me with
a cattle product, tells me torecord videos. At the end of the
day, that's just my job isto follow orders. I'm kidding sort of.
How do you balance your arguments with, say, drawing on research versus

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drawing on your own personal experience andmaking sure that it is I guess balanced.
And you're not the guy that's quotingresearch papers all the time, and
you're not the guy just saying anecdotalstuff, Like how do you mix that
message so that it comes across,as you know, a common sense,
credible message. Yeah, that's agood question. I think there's a couple

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of things I can say about that. One is sticking to critiquing things that
I have roughly an expertise in,and staying away from critiquing things that I
don't know much about. So like, you won't see me critique beauty products
because I just don't know anything aboutlike why women put cream on their face
at all or what it does,so you won't see me saying anything about
that. So staying in roughly yourexpertise lane helps you at least know what

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you can and can't say. Anotherthing is if you have evidence available to
you, both formal scientific evidence,talking with other top athletes and coaches,
doing a lot of observational analysis wherewe just look at a lot of stuff
and kind of aggregate metadata in yourhead all the way down to your own
personal experience with other clients and athletes, and your own personal experience your own
body. You can use all ofthose to kind of vector in small arrows

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into that giant pile of stuff wecall wisdom. And if it's coming from
all of the sources, at leastall the sources I can draw upon,
it's probably painting a better picture ofthe world than just calling on one or
the other. So if I onlyknow the research on something but I have
no personal experience with it, thedepth and likely sort of correctness of my
claims falls precipitously. And so sometimesI say, look, the research on

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this doesn't look good, but maybetry it. Maybe experiment with yourself,
see what happens. I've never triedon this stuff, so I don't know
it's a good thing to say,And sometimes I say stuff like that.
Whereas if I'm like, look,the research on this is like, it
doesn't work. I've tried it abunch, it doesn't work. I've seen
a bunch of people try it.It doesn't work. So we kind of
checked all the major boxes. Soit's always good to draw on every one

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of those things that you can justmake sure that you're at least tacitly and
sometimes explicitly calling out the fact that, like, look the research says this,
but if you have personal experience thatcontradicts it, maybe there's something to
it, or saying look, inmy personal experience, I don't think this
works. I haven't taken a lookat the literature. I'm not really familiar
with it, but I'm really skeptical. If you're just honest about that part,
then you're not claiming to know everything. The big mistake is when people

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look at the research says this,so what period, this is how it
is. Well, it takes alittle bit more than formal research to conclude
on things in the real world.Or some people say, look, this
doesn't really work in real life.Maybe they haven't been applying it correctly or
examining it correctly. And in theresearch it does have a silver lining of
how it works. Maybe if yourestructure your program or your diet or whatever,
this concept that we're talking about canwork. So I think a big

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problem is that a lot of peoplewill lean too heavily and hold up kind
of as a shibboleth as like animmutable truth research or personal experience or anecdote
from coaching, Whereas I think justknowing that all of those are limited,
and the more of them you canleverage the better. The things I'm most
confident in in sport exercise science arethe things that I know very well the

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research about. Sometimes I'm actively involvedin research in that area, like for
example, stretch media to hypertrophy andtraining volume and things like that. And
then I have personal experience daily inthe gym with these things. Twenty five
years of training and experimenting with thevarious ranges of motion, et cetera,
rep ranges, blah blah blah.I've coach and trained a ton of people.
I have given out a ton ofinformation so that other people have coach
and trained tons of people, andI hear about their experiences kind of in

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the metasphere. And then all thosethings combined. Man, really I can
if someone's training for muscle growth,I can have a lot to say about
it the most. With nutrition,it's a step down from there. With
you know, physical therapy, it'sa step down again. But I will
say much of the time when we'recritiquing folks in the YouTube series, for
example, the Exercise Scientist Reviews series. Mostly it's not exactly very nuanced topics

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that we're talking about. A lotof claims currently being made by many of
these people are so ostentatiously wrong,egregiously so, that they're just not that
hard to spot. You know.It's like watching a video about someone saying,
well, look the Earth is flatand so here's hot work. She'd
be like, like a fourth gradercould easily refute you. So sometimes what
passes as a wise advice from peopleis just so easy to refuse. You

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don't even need a lot of leverageor deep personal insight on it. Is
just wrong from day one. People, for example, say a calorie balance
doesn't matter, and fat loss it'sjust like something that will get you failed
out of college in any physiology class. And so it's just not difficult to
do. And that's kind of it'seasy for me to be able to commediically
render a very low hanging fruit andsay this is bad, this is stupid,

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don't do it. But it alsosays something Our industry and everything in
the world is kind of always improvingon average, But it say something not
so great about the state of fitnessinformation in the world where someone can spend
thirty seconds refuting something with bare leanand knowledge about it, because this is
just so damn wrong. A reallyeasy example is you look at, you
know, canola oil for example.So canola oil is, I believe,

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a byproduct of rape seed, andyou know, people say so, say
I eat canola oil, and they'llsay in the comments, oh my god,
you're poisoning yourself canola It's terrible.It just takes roughly five minutes of
PubMed search to find every single articleever written about canola oil, every single
study, and actually at least onemeta analysis, and it says canola oil

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generally seems to be very healthy inall the suddies we have so far.
So it's like, where did youguys get this that it was bad for
you? Someone said it recycling.I mean they're just recycling there. Yeah.
I really believe that's what most peopleare doing. And I think a
lot of my frustrations sometimes stem fromthe twenty for r twenty four year old
trying to give you know, wordsof wisdom on life. It's like,

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all right, well, you've neverfailed a business, never started a business,
you've never buried, anyone you knowsignificant in your life, or you've
never brought life into this world.Yet you're trying to give advice to a
fifty year old on how to livelife. And I do think it's gotten
a bit out of hand now.On the other hand, it's like,
I think the resources that we haveon our fingertips right now are amazing.

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Think about it, like, Iwould never have learned about you it wasn't
for the web. You know,I wouldn't be learning from you daily if
it wasn't from the web, rightwe want to be inviting you on here
the web. I just really believethat I'm hopeful that one day there is
a level of quality control, rightlike where if you're getting a job and

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you have a resume and you haveto go in and you have to actually,
you know, audition for a positionor whatever you want to call it.
I really hope that a lot ofwhat's going on on social media there
will be a level of control.My question to you is, how would
you or maybe you've never thought aboutthis, are there any standards you'd like
to see put into place to wherethe general consumer is going to be protected

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a little bit more because it's nottheir job, right, Like, let's
face it, like you sit withsome financial guru for the next three days
and they're in your head and they'resteering you in a specific direction. I
don't know whether finance is a badexample, because you may know a lot
about finance, but let's say youdon't. You might sit there and you
might believe what he's saying. Sorry, my thing just jumped off. You

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might believe what that person is sayingbecause they're just delivering it in a way
that's intelligent. They're delivering in away that has a level of certainty to
it, and you're gonna start drinkingout of their hand, right Or maybe
you're a bad example. Maybe you'renot, but maybe someone else is.
What would you put into place rightnow to really protect that individual, you
know, living in the middle ofnowhere who just doesn't know fitness and doesn't

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know nutrition and they just want tobe steered in the right direction. But
now they're saying themselves, I don'teven know who to listen to. Yeah,
So what I would say is Ihave a slightly controversial, maybe very
controversial opinion on this. It's easyto imagine regulation as a problem solver.

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But what it really is changes thescope of the problem. The obvious effect
of regulation that somehow qualifies some peopleto be boosted more in the algorithm,
or to be allowed to post atall, or have opinions at all publicly
versus others not, or get somekind of green checkmark for you're an expert,
you know what you're doing. Ifthat comes from top down government regulation,

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the good news is that it isalmost certainly going to reduce the amount
of low quality information. The badnews is it comes all sorts of really
nasty costs. There's an enforcement cost, there's a huge sorting and labeling costs.
Somebody has to figure out what's badinformation and what's good. The other
thing is governments tend to be notso reliable and being objective. I mean,
you know a lot of times whengovernment agencies in charge, they just
kind of like they have regulatory constraint, they have regulatory momentum. We've been

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saying this for years, and justeven though it's not true anymore, we're
just going to keep saying it.Also, regulatory capture is a thing.
You know, if I have youknow, if the most powerful, you
know, governing body in the worldendorses of veganism. Then everyone's going to
be fucking vegan by rule of lawor some shit, and they're going to
promote veganism. I remember back inthe nineties late nineties, there was a

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huge fraction of vegans of vegetarians atthe time vegetarians but now vegans in the
nutrition profession, and so my textbooksin the late nineties early two thousands in
high school and college were full ofjust total fucking nonsense that nutritional claims way
out of whack because they were justreally just almost explicitly trying to promote a
meat free diet and they just weren'thandling the situation with any kind of objectivity

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anymore. So what I like tosay is, I think it's fairly easy
to find out who is likely toknow things if you're a relatively intelligent person.
So finding out what are the bestpractices in an industry is quite simple.
You go into several industry governing bodies. For example, dentistry. Okay,

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there's like multiple councils of American dentistry, and they all have position statements
on how much truthpaste to use,what kind of brands are good, and
they're generally correct. Do they makemistakes, yes, but there are a
few of them, so they're kindof competitive with each other, and so
if you just look up a fewyou can find out real easy what's going
on. Most people do not getfooled by Charlatan's when they do an initial

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dive that takes three minutes to saying, like, what is the kind of
scientific consensus industry best practice on this? They never google that done. They
just hear about some guy who eatsonly meat and gets lean. They go,
that's cool. Do they fucking scrollon an Instagram and they find some
dude with muscles and they go,this is my guy, and they like
houses voice sounds, he's funny,he's a reverend, he speaks truth to

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power. And they're like, that'sit. What supplements does the app?
I'm buying them. You're trying tohelp people with regulation that never requested the
help. They didn't want it.So, for example, to your thing
about finance, the fuck would yougo some a regular finance dude? For
all you got to do is readup in just an encyclopedia about pop personal
finance works, and then all ofa sudden you're like, oh, let's

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go see a regular agent at Hand R Block and set up a really
like slow drip you know, ETFaccount, And there I am. That's
ninety percent the word, doctor,Mike. This seems so yeah, this
all makes complete sense, and Imean complete agreeance with you on everything that
you're saying. But like common sensejust isn't that common right, It's like,
here's the thing, dude, totally. But here's the thing. Why

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are we trying to save people fromtheir own blunders? Like we're trying to
go out of our way restructure theentire economy and society to make sure stupid
people don't pay for their mistakes.Fuck them. You want to do dumb
shit, You want to go outof the way to do dumb shit,
You want to go out of theway to consume just total Charlottan nonsense,
my fucking god, by all means, do it, dude, My no
disrespect, no love lost. Butlike my parents will watch like stupid YouTube

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clips and ads from like doctor Gundryand doctor Acts and doctor Oz and to
be like Mike, like blueberries they'rereally healthy, right, I'm like Jesus
Christ, your own son is anauthority in the air. I used to
teach nutrition to undergraduates a D oneuniversity. You could just ask me,
and I could just you already knowhow to eat well, I've taught at
fifty times. But they're like wideeyed and interested in these salacious claims.
How do you help somebody like that? The thing is, if you try

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to help them, the doctor Gundryesand ass and access of the world,
they're going to be running the regulatoryshow shortly thereafter. And then what then,
like science is illegal and stuff likethat, Then we're in real trouble,
the real trouble. So I'm ahuge fan of freedom. I'm a
huge fan of freedom of information.Everyone needs to find out. Here's another
really great thing. Large language models, uh Claude, GPT, flour,

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et cetera. They're very very goodat presenting a very well balanced look at
most information. You can just askGPT for right now, Hey, can
you tell me about like kind ofthe evidence based ways to promote fat loss
and good health? Oh my god, it'll give you a ten point list.
Almost everything will be spot on.Is it perfect? No? Is
if some political bias the engineered soit doesn't say crazy racist shit all the

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time, that's true, but nonethelessunpassed. Yes, for sure, but
like mostly it says good stuff,and that's like that's aggregated most of the
knowledge on the internet. So theexperts are out there, the mega experts,
the large language models are already here. But like a lot of people
don't want to ask chat GPT foradvice and nutrition and they want to click
on the fucking picture of the dudewith abs who says that you just have
to eat only fucking broccoli or someshit like that. It's mostly a demand

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driven problem, Like if, forexample, car safety, how many people
are interested in getting cars that arevery safe? Surprisingly few soccer moms,
reasonable people, older folks yup toYota siena best safety rated car of all
time, et cetera. But alot of dudes will buy a Lamb but
with no fucking seatbelts in it ifyou let them. Are we running out
of people? I know it soundsfucked up, But if you want to

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buy a motorcycle with no fucking governoron it, no brakes and crash,
I got a love for you,man. Enjoy That's what that's freedom is
all about. Now, if wewant to help you and give you the
best information. It's already there withlarge language models. It's free. You
just ask the thing in your ownnatural human voice. Hey, what kind
of motorcycle should buy? If Iwant to be pretty safe? It will
tell you everything you need to know. It's the asking that's the problem.
Most people do not give a shit. It's like giving your fat, you

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know, half alcoholic uncle at youknow, Thanksgiving party, who's two hundred
and fifty pounds and fifty six yearsold nutrition advice. He doesn't care.
He's still going to have another sliceof sweet potato pie. He never asked.
And if you tell them all thestuff in the world, you know,
you can bring a horse to water, you can't make a drink.
That's a big fucking problem with nutritionand health advice. A lot of people
just don't want it, you know, Derek. In your own world of

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running mechanics, how many top sprinterseven no Slash care that this is something
they're supposed to be paying attention to. Maybe because their coaches told them and
hired you to work with them,but how many of them by themselves would
be like, you know what,I need a real deep insight under running
mechanics, and I need to reallyreally examine. Some of them will,
and some of them just won't.The some that will, plus or minus

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genetics and good preparation, they'll winthe Olympics that some that won't. Sometimes
they'll win anyway because they're just geneticelites and some what is it like Usain
Bolt ran like a damn near Olympiccaliber four hundred on a grass track when
he was fifteen years old. Totallyinsane. There's that, But then on
average over time that people that havebetter practices, that take time to think,
they do better, and the restof the people don't do as well.

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But by getting on here, havingthese conversations, getting on YouTube,
getting on social media, promoting reallygood information to people, we at least
let the people that are interested inscience and nuance and effective results have someone
to talk to them. That makessome goddamn sense. It's the worst when
you really want good advice but it'snot around something you said earlier. Don
really hit me the twenty four yearold of things. He knows shit right

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pre internet you were talking about.Dude, If you train at a gym
in Manhattan and that twenty four yearold is the head trainer, that may
be all the advice you ever hearabout training, because where the fuck else
are you supposed to go? CBSdoesn't talk about it. You've got to
go to the library and your publiclibrary and look at and books. And
no, you're not going to dothat. You're a stockbroker. So that
twenty four year old is your expert. Now, with the internet, with

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review videos, with GPTs, youcould do way better than that if you
want. If you don't want that, twenty four year olds your fucking knight
and shining armor, and you're gonnaget everything you quote unquote need out of
him, and you're gonna have suboptimal results. And that's your fucking problem.
It's you're a fault. Sorry,real talk. Don't mean to be
cursed. I love it. Thisis what I want. D do you
guys? Well, I'll ask Mike, do you find that there are there

(26:17):
is a problem with too many experts? Like when I was, you know,
kind of looking at training in theeighties and the nineties, there were
a few people like one of theguys that was sort of became a mentor
mine was Alvameil, and you couldkind of look at his results, whether
he's with the forty nine ers ofthe Bulls and then you listen to him
talk and you're like, Okay,this guy knows something. But now we're

(26:41):
at a point where rather than ahandful of experts, we have a lot
of experts out there. So it'svery I mean, you kind of touched
on this, but it's very hardfor the average person to discern who is
the expert because there, you know, somebody with five years experience can be
that they're an expert in a topic. And you know, I've been I'm

(27:03):
turning fifty five this year, andI'm like, I still don't know a
lot, Like I'm still a littleinsecure about my knowledge base. But it
seems like everybody's empowered now to bean expert after a couple of videos or
you know, or if their personalfitness looks good, then they're an expert.
And it might be genetics. Likeyou said, how do we how

(27:25):
do we guide people a bit betterto find out who the experts are?
I think two pieces of advice thatI would give people who are trying to
figure out who the experts are.First piece of advice is there is no
such thing as the expert. Noone has an exclusivity to revealed wisdom,
and that's it. Like everyone couldbe wrong, and everyone on the margins
is wrong a lot. I'm wronga ton. I've made tons of incorrect

(27:47):
claims over the years. Hopefully I'mbatting five hundred, but even that's not
guaranteed. So looking for the oneexpert to solve all the problems short of
you know, GBTS, which you'regetting there with AI, that's just not
a real thing. However, itis definitely a problem. As you said
that there's multiple people saying all kindsof stuff, and all of them say
they're experts, and all of themhave large followings. You know, like

(28:07):
who do I listen to? Here'sthe answer to that. I would highly
recommend people try this out. Followand listen to a few of them at
least. And if you really wanta deep dive like you for your own
career, many try to get allthe opinions you can. And if you're
a regular person just trying to getfit, at least, like you know
two to five people, and whatyou do is you focus on implementing for

(28:29):
sure the commonalities in their advice.So everyone says lift heavy ish, push
yourself hard to grow muscle using freeweights and machines. Pretty much nine ton
percent of experts say that they disagreeon exactly how to do that. Well,
then whatever it is you're going tobe doing a build muscle share shit
gonna involve resistance training and going heartand heavy and using machines and freeweights.

(28:49):
What about that other stuff that theydisagree on. Well, shit, if
they disagree, some of them couldbe very right, some could be very
wrong. You never can tell though, right, because you're not the expert.
But when there's a consensus roughly amongexperts, that can be just mass
illusion. Certainly has happened before,but the probability that's much lower than just
putting all your eggs in one basket. If someone is there's a couple other

(29:12):
ways to tell. Another way totell is how a person conducts themselves.
So I actually have a list ofroughly ten I don't know all ten offhand.
I could pull it up on mycomputer. I suppose this would just
make the podcast excreciating to listen to. But I have a list of about
ten kind of bullshit detector items,and you can use them in reverse to
detect the opposite of bullshit, whichis like a decent authority. One of

(29:34):
them, for example, is ifsomeone is talking in not guaranteed measured terms,
then they are more likely correct thanthey are incorrect if you just don't
know. So, for example,if someone like, this is the only
way to do this, and everyoneelse is dumb and wrong, versus someone
is like, you know, evidenceand research and informal experience tends to tell

(29:55):
us that this is probably the bestway to do it. But I'm not
a harm percent sure, sir aboutthat, So give it a try and
see if that works for you.I mean, that second person's probably gonna
be right nine times out of ten. The other is maybe maybe right,
it's five times out of ten,maybe even worse. So if you aggregate
the experts, try to get theconsensus going and maybe put a few more
of your marbles into someone that seemsto be relatively free of ideology and relatively

(30:19):
measured and their thinking. They seemcalm, they seem logical, they seem
like they're straightforwardly looking for the truth. Then like, yeah, it's dope.
So, for example, you know, in environmental science, you can
have insane right wing people that arelike, the environment is fine, it's
all left as propaganda. It doesn'tmatter. You just hydrocarbons or the atmosphere,
fuck them. And then you haveon the left you have Greta Thunberg,
who's like literally maybe insane person child, who just says all kinds of

(30:42):
things like if you were like,hey, Greta, what if we turned
out that capitalism was better for theenvironment and worse, She'd be like impossible,
I can't accept it would fuck herworld view up. So she's not
gonna admit that. So both ofthese people are probably just having a lot
of feelings. And you see someonea little bit closer to the center,
like Bjorn Lomborg, who is like, well, you know, like the
environment is from the concern. Wedefinitely want to do something. We don't
shit in our own fish tank,but here are ways we can spend money

(31:03):
the best to get the most payingfor our book and interfere less with wealth
creation, which is the thing thatgive us us a chance to pay for
the environment. You like, thatjust seems more reasonable, and so if
you trend towards the expert that seemmore reasonable, absolutely you can be lied
to, yes, still, Butif an expert is pretty reasonable seeming,
and they seem to reflect a consensusof other experts in the field, generally,

(31:26):
especially the more reasonable ones. Sofor example, if you found like
ten experts, five of them justseem way more reasonable. The aggregate consensus
of the things those five guys agreeon are five girls. Nan, There's
no guarantee, but that's a muchbetter way of doing things than to take
in the one dude, this isthe most crazy, batshit stuff. He
could be a kindoclastic and he couldbe fucking correct, and all of them

(31:48):
could be wrong, but probability wise, that's lowered. Anything you could ever
do in life is just take yourbest chance. EI are no guarantees.
I love it, So I'm gonnaask some really bare bones basic questions line
probably super how dare you? Iknow, I know nothing science here.
But so your demographic is I wouldimagine is it more male? So it

(32:13):
depends. Consumer demographic is roughly malefemale, fifty to fifty ish. A
lot of people come to us fromthe cross space or female. Our YouTube
demographics can use heavily male, soit's kind of more or less fifty to
fifty. I suppose now a littlebit male biased, but we train a
ton of females. We coach aton of females, and a crapload of
females use our product, so wetry to target most everyone. And obviously

(32:37):
big demographics can be bodybuilders, butyou guys work with way more than just
bodybuilders naturally, if someone's coming toyou from the CrossFit space, right,
yeah, definitely, we're really Ourthing is trying to get everyone who's interested
in listening to us to get bettertips as to how to gain some muscle,
loose some fat. That's our numberone thing. It doesn't matter if
you're an eighty year old grandmother orif you're a twelve year old kid,

(32:59):
or if your mister Olympia. Alot of those folks are interested and kind
of the same thing as getting leanerand more muscular, like if they can
end up looking more like you andless like me, they're halfway there.
But you know, it's so it'sso simple, right because you know I'll
get it. I'll get a millionquestions from publications like and at the end
of the day, I'm like,honestly like my goals and even the goals
of the people that I work with. Unless it's for a specific role,

(33:22):
it's yeah, I want them towe want to gain muscle and we want
to lose fat. I don't wantto get bigger. I'm like, I
didn't say get bigger. I didn'tnecessarily get bigger. Now send your scale
weight was going to go up exactly. There's this misconception. So my question
is, is that all these peoplecome to you, let's let's check the
box of training right now. I'mnot asking for your best I'm not asking
for your top five. I justwant to hear first things that come to

(33:43):
mind when people over to you,guys, when they come over to RP,
what's like the misconception that you almosthave to unwind them from. What
is the most common misconception that yousee most people are kind of bringing to
you, guys, where you're like, well, you may want to think
differently. Yeah, definitely. That'sactually relatively easy to answer. I generally
hate this line of questioning, butyou managed to phrase it exceptionally. Well

(34:07):
yeah, yeah, so, AndI'll tell you I hate this line of
questioning is because well, it's actuallypart of my answer. People come to
us and to the evidence based spherelooking for mega dos and don'ts. They're
looking for foods or macronutrients or plansthat are perfect and lead to just a

(34:34):
panacea of everything is better, haveno downsides. And they're also trying to
look for poisons and terrible things,things that will for sure get you hurt.
So I'll say, okay, Likelifting weights with this technique is like
injury City. We're like, well, no, and if you train up
to it actually can be fine.We wants to hear that new house shit
for foods, the individual in thefoods thing. This has to drive me

(34:58):
the craziest. And this a lotof people to us with this individual food
questions, Like when people are like, so brown rice or white rice,
Oh my god, what the fuckis wrong with you? It turns out,
dude, it's crazy. It's anon Yeah, it's a non starter.
It turns out short of actual poisonslike drinking listerine and swallowing gallons of

(35:22):
it, there's not any food thatthey sell in the supermarket that's gonna poison
you. And believe it or not, you can get unreal health and body
composition eating one of your meals everyday. Fucking McDonald's. I know it
sounds crazy, but it turns outthey don't even put transfats in McDonald's anymore,
and those are sort of miniature,low key poisons if you overdose on

(35:42):
them. But like alcohol is literallya poison. People drink that. That's
my funniest thing is people like Idon't do brown rice because it's got lectins
in it, and they're like,guzzle down half a bottle of red wine.
You're like, boy, oh boy, to give you a bad news
here, they're already included free.I'll never forget is that. Oh god,
I was at a party and therewas a woman years ago who's ordering

(36:02):
gluten free. Yeah, she's runningin the bathroom to blow lines. And
I'm like, luckily coke is shit. But this is the fucking world we
live in. It is. Itis fucking scary that people are talking about
soaking their almonds because they want torelease the fighting acid from it, yes,
and bake them and roasting them overnightat this temperature. And I'm sitting

(36:23):
there like this, Yeah, yetthey're going out and they're pounding you know,
yeah that, and I'm like,what are we doing? Yeah,
there's the same people will be like, oh my, I don't like I
don't like use plastic bottles because ofcarcinogens. But to go to Cabo for
seven days straight and come back likelobsters. I'm like, did you know
that the sun is a giant thermonuclearbomb? Just just heads up? No

(36:47):
big deal. So but a lotof that is like you know, people
would say, like, Okay,going in the sun is bad. It's
all about dose and duration and howyour response is. And generally speaking,
there is such a thing as healthyfoods and unhealthy foods, but also within
a constraint of calories, if eatmostly healthy foods, even there there's nuance.
You can have chips, and youcan have McDonald's, and you can
have soda and be totally healthy aslong as you're not gaining a crapload of

(37:07):
fat and a lot of weight.So people don't want to hear like,
look, as long as you needingmostly healthy foods, you constrain your calories,
and you have physical activity, you'reninety percent of the way to everything
you ever get. They want tohear magic solutions. Okay, I can
eat like a total fucking cocksucker duckfat French fries as long as it's organic
duck fat French fries, and thenI can have as many of them as

(37:28):
I want. I'm sorry, that'snot how that works. There's not poisons
and there's not panaceas floating around inour environment. You just have to make
fundamentally good choices every day. It'salmost like asking, like, how do
I get along with my spouse better? Is there anything I can do in
the bedroom that's just gonna just thething that makes everything better? Or is
there things I should like? Neversay to them that if I say this
thing, it's over. No,just be a good fucking person to them

(37:50):
and listen to their needs and expressyours. Nobody wants to hear that shit.
It doesn't sound like a revelation.They want shortcuts. And if you're
coming to longevity and fitness for shortcuts, the only place you'll find them is
a pharmaceutical industry. They're coming upwith shortcuts all the time. In a
few years, the drugs will getbetter and better. But until you have
miracle drugs, you ain't got ashortcut, motherfucker. You just have to
do the balanced work of being livingyour life in a way that is.
Here's the thing, and most peoplealready know this. You give me a

(38:15):
meal, a picture of a mealthat has an asparagus, grilled salmon,
and brown rice. Vegans will saythe meat's gonna kill you. Carnivore people
will say the veges are gonna killyou. Almost everyone else knows this is
a fucking good meal. And ifyou eat triple that meal, you're gonna
get fat. And if you justeat one of those, you're gonna stay
lean. That's about as complicated asit gets. People come, that's not
to jump in, you can't.Food is become with certain people. It's

(38:38):
become you know, like religious orreligion. Yes now suddenly like I'll I
had someone recently it was really funny, came to me and they're like,
do you eat meat? And Ikind of looked at them as a joke
and I'm like, well, asking, right, what do you want me
to answer? But like, areyou gonna stab me right now? If
I say yes? Like can wehave? And I'll tell people sometimes because

(38:59):
I'll see them coming out. I'mlike, well, if you want to
have a mature conversation here right now, I'm happy to you know, embellish
a bit and we can we cango back and forth. But if this
is if this is going to belike you pulling out an axe trying to
stab me right now because you don'tlike my answer, I'm out of here,
like I won't have this conversation.It's really it's really sad. To
add one thing before I pass itto Derek. My grandmother and her four

(39:22):
sisters all lived to the ages ofI think ninety five and one hundred and
four and wild right, wild ninetyfive was the youngest. My grandma looked
at ninety nine. She actually hada sister of one hundred and four and
the other one was like one hundredand one or whatever. I don't even
know what the fifth was, butItalian genetics. But okay, but let's
but let's talk about their what wastheir nutrition playing Well, I think by

(39:44):
you know, five o'clock. Youknow, they were cooking by one o'clock.
They were cooking pasta every day oryou know the protein the vegs,
mata olive oil they were drinking everyday. Yeah, they had their scotch
at five o'clock. There might havebeen a few cigarettes thrown in there.
And you know, course, howcould you know what? Like? Come
on, So when I sit andhave a conversation with some well you don't
fast, and I'm like, no, I don't fast. They're like,

(40:04):
well, why don't you fast?And I'm like, well, I look
at nutrition is like food is medicineand every like there's time during the day
and those are opportunities for me toconsume these things that I need, and
I don't want to I don't wantto close down my window of opportunity because
if I'm not getting enough energy byperformance drops and all this shit drops and
it just doesn't well work well forme. And they're like, well,
aren't you afraid of cancer? AndI'm like, well, I'm not afraid
of it. I'd like not tohave it, but like, what are

(40:27):
you saying now if I eat breakfast, like I'm gonna get cancer one day?
Because that's incorrect also, and thenyou start getting into this conversation where
like they don't like your answer no. Suddenly it becomes this parade. Well,
because they've you've taken from them whatthey valued most, the one shortcut,
simple truth that's going to be thepanacea for them. They've attached themselves
to the idea that fasting is thatthing that I was talking about. People

(40:50):
come to us with misconceptions that oneclear, unobjective or non subjective totally objective
answer. This is the way todo things, And all of a sudden
you're like, well, actually,if you fast and generally eat well in
the feeding window, you can bevery healthy enough tons of energy. And
if you eat six times a dayand you're generally eating good food and within
a calorie balance and physical activity,you can also have great health. It

(41:12):
just hurts the brain because the wholetime I thought this fasting thing was like
the thing, and if you're lookingfor the thing, that thing is going
to be nuancedin ballanced in most cases, and it can be simple. But
it's very time, very oftentimes notas sexy as you thought it was.
It's almost like sometimes talking to peopleoutside of the diet space and training space
that talk to you as an expert. It's like talking to people people talking

(41:37):
about cars and they only know afew cars, and they only know the
cars they've heard on media, andso for example, they'll be like,
okay, okay, okay, solike what's the best Oh I'm getting sorry
about that, I got an alarm. They're like, okay, what's like
you talk to someone who's an expertin supercars or hypercars as they're called.
Now you know, like Lamborghinis,bugattis Ferrari, shit like that I know
nothing about, but enough to saythe following Thing'll be like, so,

(42:00):
Ferrari, that's the car, right, And as someone who's educated in the
matter'll be like, well, yes, Ferrari's a great car. They'd be
like, so, like Bagatti isa no, like Ferrari is the thing.
They're like, Bugatti can be alsoa great car. Depends on the
model, make, year, dependson your price point, depends on what
you want out of your car.Do you want like a luxury experience?
Do you want a racing experience?Well the fuck I don't want to hear
all that nonsense. God damn it. Just tell me one fucking exotic car
to buy, so I can becorrect. But that's just not how it

(42:22):
works. So a lot of times, how do people know about Ferrari?
How do they know about Bagotti?They heard it a rap song or they
saw it at the dealership. Theydon't know about like you know, how
many people know about the Pagani Huirafor example, This is very interesting,
super exotic car. It's insanely awesome. McLaren. People hear about McLaren,
the people w buy McLaren's and thenso all of a sudden, you're like
telling them about all this other stuffthey want. They heard that Lamborghini that's

(42:45):
the car, that's the hyper carthat I need, and it's like,
well, it turns out you reallycan't go wrong in this market, but
you have to tell me more specificsabout what you want. And a lot
of these are great solutions. Andas a matter of fact, if you
have a good driving control system,you install fat or Hires on your car
and you put a V twelve intoit, you can take a Honda Civic
and actually beat a bunch of Lamboson the track if you're a good driver.
And they're like, well, Ireally didn't want to hear that.

(43:07):
So this turns out there's not thismagic racing sprinkled dust you put on a
car and all of a sudden itmakes it better. The same way,
how do we get into this conversationof people talking about, well, this
is the car I need. Peoplejust don't know enough and they want that
one trick solution. Whereas if theywent over to an expert in an exotic
cars and they talked for a while, they just lay out like a plethora
of options. Tell me what youvalue most? Is it shock value?

(43:30):
Like you want people to look atyour car on the street and go,
holy shit, I know what thatis. Do you want a luxury experience
in the interior, like you know, a Bugatti's not race optimized, it's
optimized to have wood trim, andshe like the wood trim doesn't make your
fucking car go faster. As amatter of fact, it's heavy and slows
it down. Are you interested ina straight line experience? Are you interested
in turning more? And a lotof times people haven't begun to parse these

(43:51):
questions, so they come to younutrition. They're like, fasting, fasting,
that's the thing, right, Andwell, do you want to like
get more jacked and lean and bebetter at sports and physical activity? They're
like, yes, Like fasting definitelynot the way you're gonna do it.
Like what if you're a busy executiveand you want to lease twenty pounds and
you don't like eating throughout the dayand it's annoying, but you have big
dinners every Manny, Hey, fastingis great for you. Oh but one
extra question of nuance just pains peopleso much when they've already attached themselves to

(44:14):
what they think is the correct answer. So it's tough to have the discussion
now. Really it's sad coming fromsomeone like me or someone like you,
because you know it. It's likethe person who approaches you and the party
and they're like, do you wantto know what I do? And you're
like, well, not really,not really, I guess let me pull
up a chair. Hold on,Derek, it back to you right now.
So it's so scary that food isweaponized. Did anybody give you any

(44:37):
great comments about eating it in andout Burger don Oh? Yeah, Pat
Davidson, they called me a pussybecause I only had two double doubles and
you know what, to be honestwith yeah, but he's right. I
mean it was it was. Itwas an embarrassing showing. I mean I
normally order three, I get twofries, I get a chocolate chake,
I get a die Coke. Idon't know what I was thinking, and

(44:59):
I got a be honest with you, it wasn't you know, it could
have been better and disappointed the fansis what you're saying. It just wasn't.
It was. It was it wasreally it was weak. I'm pour
out, I get an opportunity togo you got to go in. And
it's like when you it's when youplay pro golf and you invite your family
out to a competition and you dopoorly, like usually better than this,

(45:20):
I promise. They're like, allright, that question, that question,
no, no, no, sorry, sorry, that was a diversion,
Mike. Uh. We were talkingabout things like little quick fixes or one
stop shop. What's your views onsomething like blood flow restriction because that seems
to be a craze now for hypertrophy, and I see it obviously used in

(45:45):
rehab, but I've seen it usedelsewhere too, And I know that some
pro athletes do a pre game fordifferent effects and all that. Have you
have you taken a good look atthat technique and where does it fit?
Yes, it's also not new,it's been around a long time. But
people, here's another thing real quick, and I'll answer your question directly.

(46:06):
The internet and local communities within itwill go through waves of rediscovering something that's
older and it'll be this new thingto them, and because it's new for
them experiencing it as humans, they'relike, have you heard about this thing?
Like, yes, there's day there'sa research on it, asking me
are on for a long time.It's how sorority girls get lean or whatever

(46:27):
they get. So that's definitely athing that happens, and it's been happening
every now and again with blood forinstruction training. To paraphrase my mentor,
doctor Mike Stone, who's been asports scientist since the fucking nineteen seventies,
he told us once in class thatcore training, you know, like as
a fab like, it's all aboutcore, right. I've literally had a
woman at a party literally tell melike, so it's all about core,

(46:49):
right, Like all the fitness isabout core, yes, including getting bigger
arms and legs. What the fuckare you talking about? But to her
it was this, everyone was talkingabout coren was the new thing. Why.
Doc Stone literally told us in class, He's like, core training will
become a fad roughly every five years. I've been around since paying attention since
the nineteen sixties. Every five yearscore then it'll dwindle. Core low carb

(47:14):
does the same thing, keto,carnivore, however you call it. It'll
come back every five years or so. And people like because there's new people
in the fitness industry and they're likethis, this is the new thing.
So with blaffur restriction training got somethingsimilar. Now BFR has some pretty cool
advantages with a relatively low load thatis excellent if you're injured, by the
way, but works if you're notinjured. You can get very meaningful amounts

(47:36):
of apertrophy because you restrict the bloodflats of the region. It increases amount
of metabolites. It drives your motorunits to get recruit the fastest, which
ones more rapidly because there's just nothingelse you're struggling to move the weight.
So it can be a really goodway type pergraphy. There's a couple of
things about it. One, there'sat least a few studies to show that
it doesn't work for long durations.Your ability to buffer metabolites improves radically if

(47:58):
you push that system. So thefirst time you get a crazy pump,
crazy burn, crazy sore, thesixth time you use it, you're like,
I can just keep doing this forforever. You don't get pumped anymore,
you don't get really sore, andyou don't get a whole lot of
hypertrophy. So it's more of ashort run pathway you can use every now
and again to spice things up.It's amazing for a clinical rehabilitative purposes because
like it's awesome to grow muscle whenyou have to use to fucking half the

(48:20):
load you normally do, because ifyour knees fucked up, you ain't squat
shit. But if you do,like extensions the BFR, it could actually
really start to rebuild the tissues there. So that's a big deal as far
as for athletic purposes because Derek,you said that athletes do it pre game,
but I can't think of something there'sa more stupid idea than that,
because BFR fatigues living shit out ofyour target muscle, and actually, as

(48:44):
you train in BFR over time,it seems to preferentially grow the slower twitch
muscle fibers versus the faster twitch musclefibers. So for explosive athletes, which
is most athletes, this is areal bad idea. Athletes that train and
hypertrophy have two concerns. One theywant bigger muscles, but two they want
big muscles to transfer over and forthey're explosive sport training. If I'm a
golfer, I want to fucking hitthat ball as hard as I fucking can

(49:05):
with my bigger muscles. But ifI develop my bigger muscles mostly through higher
repsets and even the extreme version,which is BFR training glove for restriction,
I'm gonna be fucking pomped and lookgreat. But man, my swing is
just not that much more powerful versusif I work on my swing, you
know, with heavy triples and setsof four and five compound movements and huge
ballistic movements, not only do Iget more muscularity, but also like,

(49:28):
holy fucking shit, can I hitthat ball. Same applies to jumping,
to running, and everything, especiallyto sprinters. One of the best sprinter
philosophies. I forget who this personwas. I believe they were a coach
at Alabama and they had their sprintersdo like two weights workouts a week,
almost entirely for the lower body.They had them do two times a week
of training the start, a coupletimes a week of baton pass training,

(49:51):
a couple of running mechanics reviews,and that's it. And they're like,
do you actually have them run thatone hundred and two hundred? Much like,
Nah, we'll run it once ortwice before I meet and then I'll
just run at the meet. Whydon't you like do tons of volume,
He's like, because it makes sprintersworse, That converts their fiber types to
the wrong one. And yeah,there are volume accumulation phases, but the
look, one hundred meters sprinter isa very simple job. But it doesn't
take very long, and you're overdoingit because also some sports, many many

(50:15):
sports, the amount of training volumethat optimizes performance at that sport is low,
and it steals the ethos of hardwork away from those athletes and coaches
that are practicing it. Perfect example, even though it's a movie, remember
the Titans. You guys have seenthat, right, What does he do
in the movie? He wakes uphis football players to do three mile run
in the fucking middle of the nightor super early more. What the fuck

(50:37):
for? How does that match thebiomechanics in the physiology of football gaming?
Doesn't? It actually makes you worseat football. If I wanted to get
the team to lose more, I'dbe like, gentlemen, three miles every
morning, wake up, start runningit. You're gonna get slower, you're
gonna get hurt. It's gonna beamazing. Why would you do that,
but it hits this big green checkmarket people's heads, which is like,
I'm suffering, I'm training, I'mworking hard, I'm challenging my elf.

(51:00):
It turns out the physical training requiredto be an offensive lineman is a couple
of five meters sprints, a coupleof position movement drills really fast moving forward
back, et cetera. Technical workand lifting five or six times in the
gym to become a fucking monster.And the rest of the time you spend
resting, recovering and fucking get meansyou can hit put people on the football
field. Yeah, but people tryto layer in a ton of stuff.

(51:23):
They're like, they have a reallygreat question in their minds, as you
have athletes, what else can Ido to make myself better? And sometimes
they're like, I'm gonna do bfrI'm gonna do this new technology. I'm
gonna put the fucking you know,the the do hicky things, and it's
gonna make my muffle spasm and ammy off days. It's gonna rid recovery
all that stuff. And it turnsout a lot of times, a lot
of sport training is basic and notextensive, and the rest of the times

(51:45):
you have to try to reduce yourtotal stressors as much as possible. So
the ideal sprinter or American football playerspends most of their time at home playing
PlayStation and eating good, high qualitymeals and sleeping ten hours a fucking night.
That's a fucking monster. Is yourglory? That not a ton who
has the most glory in sport trainingUltra marathon owners by a long shot.

(52:05):
They're just doing a sport that's objectivelyharder and requires more training volume, and
most people can't do it and won'tdo it, Thank fucking God, because
it sounds like literal torture. Ifsomeone's like, Okay, do you want
to bullet through the head or doyou want to go do a ultra marathon,
I'm like, well, give itsome thought for a second. It's
not immediately clear. Those people canput on Rocky Elboa soundtrack on loop and
really get out of that ethos ofhard training. But I think a lot
of BFR and other things they havetheir excellent context, and I purchase you

(52:29):
work for bodybuilders. They have anexcellent context for general fitness populations that want
a different thing, great context forrehabilitation, but for explosive lead athletes that
aren't currently injured. It's actually gonnapray make you worse at your sport.
And people think if I just domore, and a lot of times sport
training is about doing less rather thandoing more. Right, I'm going to
quote my man Bo Jackson in Idon't know if you says documentary boat,

(52:52):
but really it's actually really intelligent thinghe said, and he turned around to
go, you know, I neverunderstood my coaches wanted to like tired me
out. I never liked working out. I never understood the idea of tiring
me out, and it really is. I mean, like I like,
I come from ironically a golf background. Most people don't know that, but
you know, work with a lotof rotational sport athletes and they would come

(53:14):
in and they would almost get caughtup. It's like, what's the goal
here? It's to be more resilient. Yeah, they want to hit the
golf ball further. Yeah. Butthen like suddenly we'd start having a conversation.
They'd be like, you know,I want apps and I'd be like,
well what, yeah exactly. TheyI'd be like, well, what's
your what's your goal here? Ithink you got to understand what does the
PGA pay you for abs motherfuckers backexactly. But they're but their kids.

(53:35):
Think about you're working with a youngsix twenty seven year old and they don't
know it's not their their their jobsto shoot you know, sixty four,
sixty six, sixty three, sixtyeight in the Masters, and you know
then they're placing like they don't know, they don't know. They just affiliate
success with you know how someone looksand I'm like, no, no,
no, no, no, likethe reason why you have that asymmetry fixing

(53:57):
that might screw you up, Likemaybe we don't want to do that,
Like let me explain to you,explain to you why. So I think
a lot of it. I mean, at the end of the day,
I think it's I think you're doingthe right thing. What are you really
trying to do? In a nutshell, You're trying to inspire and educate people.
You're trying to become the master sourcewhere if someone wants to learn about
body composition, hypercha fee training cometo you, which I highly recommend.
I can't even begin to tell youhow much time I'll find myself just eating

(54:21):
breakfast and watching your videos. Ilove them. I think you're brilliant.
I think you're all that, andcan you tell everyone where they could find
you? Because I know we've takenenough of your time? Up aread it?
Dude? Tom? Thank you somuch, Derek, thank you so
much. Guys, A huge honorpleasure of being with you, I will
say, is all these things areexaggerations. We're the best I can aspire
to is just be another contributor oflike slightly better than average advice. If

(54:43):
I'm at a fifty one percent andabove, I'm living my best life here.
So if you want a decent takewith some dogshit comedy and tons of
pointless sexual references, then our PeaceStrength YouTube is a place. Just type
in our pea strength all one wordand go on YouTube. You'll see my
gigantic, ugly face, oftentimes wearingthis one of them my few Walmart purchased

(55:04):
multicolored sweatshirts, and there I willbe blabbing and hopefully you can get something
out of it. And if youdon't, my apologies. It turns out
I don't know that much. Well, I'm a big you know, I'm
a big supporter of you and lovewhat you do and obviously consider your friend
now and loved when you were outhere. So if there's anything we can
ever do, you let us knowand looking forward to connecting again. Man.
Awesome, Thank you so much.Thanks that was fun. Thanks guys,

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