January 4, 2025 • 47 mins
Episode 173 is the last one of 2024 with Don and Derek debriefing on the year, talking about all things related to fitness, strength training and wellness. We hope everyone had a great year and we look forward to great things for all of our listeners and guests in 2025.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome to the D and D Fitness Radio podcast, brought
to you by your hosts Don Saladino from New York
City and Derek Hanson from Vancouver, Canada.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
So here we go, man, another year, right, wrapping up there?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, did you guys travel during the holidays at all?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We went to Waco, Texas.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
That's right. How was that great?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm working with you know, Joanna and Chip Gaines.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
They got a production company there, so they got me
involved on a little project. I'm gonna be doing a
bunch of recordings with them and you know, just fun stuff.
I've been training them for a while so they've just
become incredible people, good friends, love everything they're about.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Super supportive.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
So it was fun to get out to Waco because
I've never been there, and I didn't really I think
when I got connected with them a few months ago,
it feels like years already. But I knew they were
big at what they did. But until you actually show
up to someone's environment and you see what they created,
and you see what they did to that town, the community.
Going to see the silos and going to Magnolia and
(01:26):
checking that out, I mean, it's just another world.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Man. It was wild.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
We stayed at their hotel called the nineteen nineteen twenty nine.
It was in nineteen twenty eight. Ooh, I should know this.
I think it's in nineteen twenty eight. I think it's
a nineteen twenty because the Great Depression was in twenty nine, right, yep,
all right, so I think it was a year.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, it was the year before the depression. Yeah, hotel nineteen.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I'm just looking up quit nineteen twenty, Hotel nineteen twenty eight.
It's nineteen twenty eight, and that's how you remeber the
year before the depression. So yeah, we had a flying
to Dallas. Mel Mel actually never goes on works trips
to may and she definitely wanted to come check this out.
So we went in Dallas and we drove, you know,
almost two hours to Waco and then checked in and
(02:13):
just you know, got to work with their team and
meet their friends and their staff and did like a
recording with them for almost three hours.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It was wild. So yeah, it's fun. It's gonna be
an interesting year.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
So I got that I'm working on and I told
you we're working on that book. We signed that book
deal with Countryman Press, which we just pretty much finalized
everything with the with the contract, so that's a done deal.
So I was just on the phone with Charles Thorp,
who's my ghostwriter, and we were kind of reviewing that.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
So that's interesting. I've never have you written a.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Book just just a training book, like a technical like
biometric book. But it was interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
It's definitely talk about a process I'm not comfortable with.
I mean, it's great that do I think I can
do this on my own with out I don't even
know where to start, right, It's yeah, it's It's.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
The good thing about having like a publisher that you
work with is they kind of they put you on
deadlines and you have to get things done right. So
if it was left up to me, I would have
just procrastinated a lot. But yeah, they do. It is
good in that sense.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, No, they've been they've been great so far.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
So yeah, I mean, you know, we've got you know,
this book will probably be out about a year, you know,
still it's still early early stages.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
But you know, it's a good exercise.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It is. It's something that I've never done.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I did once with Garden of Life and we put
it together and I had a ghostwriter, and by the
time the book was done and I was going through
the transcript, I was like, oh my god, it's terrible,
Like I can't, I can't, I can't.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Like this doesn't sound like me.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Really kind of struggled, you know, and I just said,
we can't use this, and they're like, what do you
want us to do. I'm like, I don't know, use
it as blog posts. We just didn't even use it,
which might have been looking back on now, it might
have been dumb. It might have been better to just,
you know, put some time into really kind of recreating
the tone.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
But it just it was just shit.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I mean, I was actually surprised that they were like, okay,
they hired this ghostwriter. We went through writing this book,
and you know, when I started going through with it,
I was like, yeah, this isn't good. And I think,
rather than you know, I'm looking back on it now,
I'm kind of surprised. We're like, well, let's let's kind
of curate this to sound more like you, or let's
(04:42):
get your message across more. And it just wasn't really that.
I think they just discontinued it. It's funny. It's funny,
how like this time goes on, you just start looking
at things differently.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
It's as you as you age, you know, rather than
looking at something at the time where you're like, oh,
this is terrible, now you're like, ohm, was that salvageable?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Was it that terrible? Right?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I think in the moment, you always want to make
it perfect, right, So it's very easy to overanalyze and
be a little insecure about it. But like you said,
as you get older, you have a little more perspective
and you're like, wow, that wasn't that bad. Like I,
you know, at least I took a shot, And maybe
that's what it is. Maybe you have to go through
(05:29):
that process of you know, failing a bit, stumbling a bit,
and then you grow from it. And I don't know,
it's it's you know, I always look back at stuff
I've done before, I'm like, oh that was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Wow, yeah yeah, or or or you look back on
things and you cringe.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, it's it's I've always struggled to kind of go
back and watch things I've been filmed for, you know,
I mean I mean like Professional Things, Golf Channel or
Revolution Golf, of the companies that I worked for for
a long time, you know, going back to twenty eleven,
can I watch Golf over fifty that I shot with?
(06:10):
You know, with you know that stuff, you start getting
a little.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Not cringey. You can just see where all the mistakes are.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You need to know your your actor clients. Like I've
I've thought the same thing, and I've thought, well, when
I asked the actor that I work with, like, his
first movie was a pee Wee Herman movie, he was
in Pee Wee Yeah, okay, Big Top Peewee, right, and
he was good friends with Paul Rubins, and and I thought, well,
(06:39):
maybe he'll feel a little embarrassed about being in the movie.
But he was very kind of reflective and he had
a lot of good things to say about that experience.
So it's very interesting. I think you just have to
kind of put yourself in like, hey, at that time,
that was their first movie, so that was a big deal.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. I've never thought of that.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
You know, what, what do the actors think about their
performances now? I think that's interesting where you know, do
they ever go back and look and say not about
like the role that they chose right or the movie,
like oh, I'm embarrassed. I even did that movie more like, well,
how do you feel about your acting performance? Do a
lot of them evolve so much to where they're like, No,
I would have approached that differently, or I would have
(07:23):
gotten into character differently. Like you have to imagine the
answers yes, and you have to imagine you know they
would God, that'd be an interesting question.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I want to get. We should get you, we should
get we get an actor on right now?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You have one you could doctor just yeah, I think, well,
how do you look when you watch your old stuff?
Like do you go that was pretty good? Do you.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Call on my advice?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Mm hmm?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Call and Drew Powell? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Did they see it as an evolution?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I'll pick it up. He's not picking up.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah, if he calls back, which he probably will, he's
normally very good. He's probably in the middle of something.
But if he calls back, we have to get ready
to send them a link.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Because here's an example. Like, if I look back at
some of the training programs I wrote twenty years ago,
they seem kind of old school, but in the same
time I look at them as like, wow, I wish
I could still do that because it was very you know,
kind of classical strength and conditioning and running stuff where
(08:38):
maybe I'm not doing enough of that anymore. Do you
know what I'm saying, Like, maybe I'm got away from
that and that was pretty good. So I'll look at
it kind of that way too.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, I look back when I look back on my training,
you know, twenty years ago, it's.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Like program design. I think it was all good stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It's a bit linear, right, Like it's a bit literally,
it's a bit linear, like everything's you know, very you know,
in one direction. So I think a little less dynamic,
but I but you know, I also think about, you know,
do you have to be doing cliometrics if you're out
there playing soccer or playing basketball, you know, a couple
(09:23):
of days a week, like do you have obviously? And
it's always different, right because I'll measure heart rate on
the ice and everyone's like, oh, hockey's your cardio, and
I'm like, oh my god, I'm not working anywhere.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Mirror is hard and hockey.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
As I am if I'm on you know, the track
or doing treadmills, because when they're like when everything's timed
and it's like a stop go and it's it's very regimented.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
That's where I feel like you could challenge yourself little
bit more.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
When you're on the ice, you're going as the play goes,
and it doesn't always have to be a sprint and
depending on who I'm the on the ice with more
like do I feel like I have to work harder
or less or you know, when I'm playing with much
better players, I feel like the puck is just where
you need to be. When you're playing with worse players,
you got to kind of create plays and you're flying
all over the ice. It's just it's interesting sometimes when
(10:14):
I was I still am into a lot of sport.
But I think the thing with programming now that you
know a lot of people still don't get is like.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
How much do we really need? Right?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Like?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
How much of this is? Think about it? Right?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Like, you know, well, for you body parts, you know
you need x amount of sets in this range and
that range, and you're just kind of like, well, there
probably some truth to that, right you know.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
You get a you know, a science.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Based coach who's you know, who's really done their homework
and you know as those medical initials before their name,
and you know they you know they they're if you're
training with that level of city, yes, the volume can drop,
But what about the other people who just have a
lot of additional activity that are emulating sport throughout the
(11:10):
week and who are like doing other things that are
very taxing on their body, you know, does the volume
Actually this is the first year that like, this is
like hockey season for us right now.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
We play a lot in the winter. And I've I
actually got on.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
A powerlifting program by this guy's Sebastian Orb. He's the
Australian strand coach who is friends with my buddy Marcus,
who's Marcus is a world class powerlifter. And the simplicity
of his programs, like today it was three movements like
holy shit, like talk about simple, right, Like I got
(11:48):
to get in, I do my own warm up, I
do all my own stuff to get my body feeling right.
And today was literally squat extensions like girls like pretty basic. Right,
Tomorrow powerlifting bench press pauses on dumbbells, some pulling, you know,
to compliment all the pushing done. Right, Thursday is going
to be deadlift day and leg day again, right, Friday's
(12:11):
going to be you know, upper body again, right, really basic,
but the volume is cut down so much that I'm
paying attention to one thing and one thing only right now.
For the first time in my training, it's getting stronger.
Like I'm not really concerned with body composition right now.
I'm just my goal is like, am I getting stronger?
Am I getting stronger? How does my body feel? Am
(12:34):
I getting stronger? Because to get stronger in season? You know,
you're not supposed to do this right technically, but I'm
not a professional athlete. I'm not getting paid to do this.
I play hockey all year long. I just played more now,
So like what am I going to turn around? And
I'm in season and suddenly going to me and it's
planned like bullshit, Like I cut back on the volume
and I'm trying to get certain with stronger and it's working,
(12:55):
and it's been working for the last you know, we started,
you know, really ramping things up into October. So numbers
every week going up, going up, going up. Body feels good.
So like who am I to say? You know I'm
doing anything wrong? But you know, if it was me
writing my own programs, sometimes you know, you you recognize
(13:15):
as a coach all the things you need and if
you're not laying things out in blocks of training, and
it could it could become a big clusterfuck of just
too much of a good thing, even the sprinting. Like
I'm still running a little bit right now, and you know,
I'm not doing a lot of cardio because of hockey,
(13:36):
but I'm throwing in like one steady state run because
I want to maintain that those qualities, and then at
the end of my run, I'm throwing in like five
really intense spreading intervals, right, which, to be honest, I
kind of like doing this a lot more towards the
end of a steady state day because I'm really warmed up.
My heart rates already pretty elevated to where if I'm sprinting,
(13:59):
I have to do so many sprints if I'm doing this,
you know, to help improve you know, you know, anaerobic
like capacity, right if I'm trying to improve that, like
I'm like, I'm gonna have to get my heart rate
into a specific zone and to do that out of
a gate like it takes me a lot of time.
(14:20):
So I actually I found that doing my steady state
cardio and then at the end throwing in some blips up.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And I know this is not science. This is not scientific, but.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Like throwing in some spurts of intervals has allowed me
to kind of maintain some of these qualities. In that sense,
while I'm still out playing right now, as springing summer
rolls around and I can get to the track and
hockey gets cut back, you know that my training is
going to change and I might start implementing in more
spread work, more you know, reactive, more pliometric, you know,
(14:51):
based training, because I'm going to be outside so right now,
but just get strong, get strong, get strong, and as
we chant transition to spring summer's weather, it gets better.
I could start focusing on that. I think a major
problem with most programming is, you know, people, especially coaches.
Writing for clients is easy. Writing for yourself sometimes as
a coach could become a challenge because in your head,
(15:13):
you're like you just I found sometimes I could overthink
things rather than just keeping it so basic and saying, oh,
just work on this.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
It's gonna check a lot of boxes. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah? No, I think so, I think, And I don't
know if you you feel this way, But because I'm
because I'm older, the rules have changed for me too,
Like you said, I will do a longer steady state,
then I'll do sprints after where I wouldn't program that
because I know that the run would take away from
the sprints. But now that I'm older, I would do
(15:45):
that because, like you said, you're warmed up, which is
a huge part of it, Like it takes a lot
longer for me to warm up so that my body's warm,
everything is activated.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I think it's I think it's because normally like a
lot of and.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You can't run too fast at the end, right.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Right, right, And I understand that is it an all out?
Like is it one hundred percent burst? Like the answer
is no, Is that the goal right now? It's not
the goal. It's just the goal of me throwing those
treadmills in is to create some speed, to create some force,
to you know, reactive off the belt, to try be
as you always say, bouncy off the belt and almost
(16:24):
like running like you're on pogos right and and kind
of feeling that leg kick a bit and and and
producing some speed to where I feel like, all right,
is it is it a one max effort? No? But
we don't do max effort as much anymore on lifting, right,
we're always doing kind of sub bacs reps in reserves.
(16:44):
So you know, do we need to always do that
in sprinting that's a question for you.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
No, absolutely not, but definitely as we get older, absolutely not.
And and I was thinking about this, and I'm i
going to write an article on this about like exposure
to high intensity versus low intensity. And remember Charlie Frantz
was talking about when he worked with some older football
players NFL players, that he would as they got older,
like older would be into their thirties, he would kind
(17:13):
of expand their low intensity volume of work because they
just couldn't handle the exposure to high intensity. The volume
of high intensity more because obviously there's risk, but they
just couldn't basically handle it. So when he opened up
more low intensity tempo runs than those types of things
and even gym work and med ballwork that was you know,
(17:36):
work capacity, they were able to hold their level of
performance because it was almost like he again, like a
young person, you're developing a base and then once you
have the base, you know, once you're mature, you can
you know, keep pushing the peak up. But I think
as you get older, you have to re establish the
base almost as like a safety valve to some degree.
(18:00):
So I'm thinking about that constantly. But the other thing
that was interesting is now that i'm programming, you know,
for younger people, like say, let's say seventeen to twenty
two year old like a college I'm almost very I'm
almost too cautious because I think about my own training
where I think I could be a little more aggressive
(18:20):
with their training because they're more resilient, you know what
I'm saying. So I'm a little gun shy in that respect.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Yeah, listen, prooves in the pudding at the end of
the day, rights, it's you know, we don't really know
how anyone's I mean, you want to come in with
as much education as possible when building a program, right, Like,
that's why you go to experience coaches. Is technically what
we're saying is well, in my experience, based off of
your lifestyle, based off of your training age, based off
(18:50):
of the stresses in your life, this is what I
feel you should be doing. That's technically what a coach
is doing. But you know, I can't tell you how
many times people ask me these questions and they're like, well,
I want to add this innocent too much. Now I
can turn around and just be an asshole and say, well, yeah,
it's not what I want it right, which a lot
(19:11):
of coaches do, like stick with the program.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Do you really know? Do we really know what's going
to happen?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Like Derek, you write a program for an athlete, two athletes,
both of them are seniors in high school, both of
them are the same age, height, and weight, and suddenly,
off your program one of the athletes start adding in
an additional five sprints a workout in at the end
right of a workout, like too much, too little, overreaching?
(19:42):
Do we really know the instance? We don't really know.
We know, we don't really know, Like what if that
athlete starts doing that and like out of nowhere, their
athletic performance just goes beyond the other athlete they were
working with. Well, I don't even know if I could
blame it's because of the because of those sprints, could
be because of anything.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Who knows how they're sleeping, eating, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
But do we really know when we start, you know,
tampering with these numbers, if it's you know.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
If it's too much or too little.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I think the proofs in the putting if you're on
a program and you know you're getting stronger, your energy
feels great, and your performances improving, then is that a
good enough.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Way to measure?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
And I feel like the answers yes, especially if they're
you know, if they're enjoying it right.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
It's it's such there's such a feel to it, like
it's like an educated guess and you're in the ballpark,
and then there's this leeway like you're saying kind of like,
let's go a little less, let's go a little more.
And I think, as I've been now that I'm older,
I'm less apt to write a program, stick to the program,
and walk away. I'm more apt to come up with
(21:00):
general volumes if I know, like, Okay, this is what
we did last day, so this is what we're going
to our last week, So this is what we're going
to do this week. And it's almost like I've gravitated
to what like the Charlie Francis approach was, which was
I kind of know where I am in the training program,
so I know that I can give you this much,
but if it looks like it's you're on't handling it,
(21:21):
then I'll pull it back. If it looks like you're
doing well, then I'll give you more. Like it's a
very you know what I'm saying, Like, it's like a
feel thing that you you get more confident with as
you age.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
But that's that's got to come through experience, right, And
that's got to come.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Through rial and error.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yehusly working on your your practice, and I mean like
your training practice, Like if you're training others, that's you know,
that's something that you still every client you work with,
it's an experience. It's a it's a new almost feel
like every client I've ever worked with, it's a new puzzle,
a different puzzle. Like it's never the same. Oh, we're
giving you the same boring puzzle of New York City.
(21:59):
Like put it to it's the same one but the
same company. It's identical. It's never identical. Like when you
go out and you buy a puzzle, right, all it's
all different. Even if it's like you're trying to make
it out to look like the same you know city Manhattan,
New York City, right, you still if you're buying it
from different companies, the pieces are going to be different.
(22:20):
They're gonna be different sizes, right, it's just it's the
same analogy with the people that we've worked with.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
It it's no different.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You can turn around and try and get as much
evidence as you can, as much science as you can
pointing you in a direction that's like oh.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Wow, research just saying this.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
But like now that's where the evidence is steering you too,
Like now you've got to now it's trial and error.
Now it's like all right, let's let's go like put
it to work, Like is this going to work? And
you know the answer isn't always yes, And that's why
we've seen I mean, think about in your career, you've
been doing this.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
How many years have you been doing this now?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I know, I'm going on, like I've been coaching since
the late eighties, so it's.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Longer than me.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
So you're over thirty, You're close to Holy shit, you're
you know, you're that's over thirty years for you.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I'm I'm I'm creeping in on thirty. I got a
few more years, bud.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
How much stuff have we seen that's you know, how
much new evidence coming out now that's contradicting things that
came out years ago. And everyone's like, oh, this you
have to do this, and you know, I still think,
you know, experience, you know that there's something to be
said about that.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
It's it's I like the puzzle analogy because like, I
don't know if you do it this way, but when
I work at Jinsaw puzzle, I find the edges and
I work towards the middle, whereas training, I think I
do the opposite. I start in the middle and I
work to the edges. That's wild, isn't it weird?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Like yeah, I mean I like the puzzle analogy because
I've seen, you know, I've seen whatever, I'm many puzzles
in my life. But it's even if you're the same puzzle,
the same building or the same city or state or
whatever it is, or a map puzzle, whatever it is,
like they're always like, oh, it's we're still building the
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same thing, but the pieces are all different sizes, are they,
or they're you know, or this piece overlaps the empire
state building just a little bit, and on that puzzle
it didn't. It's it's that's you know, it's at the
end of the day, like it's very common for people
that have the same goals, right I think so, I
think most people out there have.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
The same goals.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Like if you turn to everyone, you know, if you
turn to ninety percent of the planet and you're like, hey,
twenty twenty five, you're gonna the goals to look better
naked up, higher levels of energy, be strong, be mobile,
be resilient. Is most people are going to take that package.
I think most people are going to be like, give
that to me, that's what I want. So I understand
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the outcome of a lot of people are the same.
It's just it's there's a reason why people are so
confused about all this, right, It's a reason why everyone's
shaking their head, like what do I do a diet?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
What do I do with training? Well? Is it RPE?
Is it r R? Is it reps in reserve? Oh? RPE? Shit?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Oh REPS and reserve is shit? Like everyone now has
to just bash, you know, the living shit out of
these different things, these different areas that are supposed to
get people at least a little bit of you know, guidance.
All right, fine, you know what if if I told
you I want two reps in reserve, but you really
did a set and it was truly three reps in reserve?
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Fucking matter, Like, is it really gonna matter, Like you're
creating tension, you're practicing good repetition.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Is it really gonna matter? No fucking way, right.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Like there's there's there's no way. It's a buddy of
mine today was, you know, starting a new powerlifting plane,
one of the strongest human beings I know, and his
coach gave him an RPE. He goes, I'm not used
to RPE. What is I don't really get it? Like
I don't I don't understand RPE. And I'm like, well,
what are you doing today for your first sets? He's like, yeah,
I'm holding a five sets of five. I'm just throwing
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five hundred on the bucks, squatting five hundred with you know.
Pauses and he's like, I think that that's that's an
RP of seven. That's seven out of ten, well seven
out of ten seventy percent, well seventy percent of ten
would be seven, right, that's three reps in reserve, right.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Like, are you following what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
It is?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Well, no, it's not that it is.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
It can get confusing for people who don't really understand.
Go in there, find commit to a program, right like
this is these are the things people should really think
about commit to a program, commit to something. Don't just
sit here pulling shit off of YouTube and just because
you know what, you never really get to practice, never
really get to learn, you'd never get to develop. I
(26:47):
did listen when I was a young kid and I
was really getting into training. I would go to the
magazines and oh, I'm gonna do this chess workout today.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
You're going in and you're just chasing kind of a feeling, right,
you're chasing a pump. You're but like, are you ever
able to really learn to really commit to something for
whatever the block of training is, one, two, three, five months,
whatever it.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Is, commit to something. Get those big lifts.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
You know, I still believe in getting getting stronger, Like
getting those big lifts stronger. There's really no downside to
that as long as you're training. You know, you're moving
the way that's acceptable, right Obviously, never load dysfunction. You know,
start doing these things and you know, and I'm not
talking about the sleep and eating and all that shit,
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but like, you know, going and being consistent with a
training program and focusing on getting stronger pretty basic stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Now. For me, strength is like Derek strength means I
can Strength means I can touch my toes. Strength means
I can stand on one leg. You know.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Strength means I can move and I could do these
things in different positions.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
That's what strength means.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Like strength to mean doesn't just mean about how much
weight can I pick up the floor, how much weight
can I press? It also means one of these other
things I can do getting on a hockey rink tomorrow.
Playing that's being strong, running hard, sprinting that's strong. Like
strength to me encompasses so many different things, right, But
I think we really start neglecting the basics and we
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start looking for this magic, you know, magic potion out
there where I'm like, get the basics. Keep going back
to the basics. That's one thing about your programming that
hasn't changed. Like there's something on your programming right now
that's been there thirty forty years ago. Run, run, jump, throw, harry,
pick up heavy shit Like these are like really basic
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things that you haven't neglected throughout the years.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah. And I think the thing for me now is
that everything that I program goes back to health as
an outcome, right too. So if I'm programming something that
potentially is risky or could create an injury or problem.
I don't think that's that's appropriate, right, And I'm not
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just thinking about myself. I'm thinking about other people, and
I'm thinking about the potential for injury. The trauma creates
the psychological confidence, you know, disruptions and all that. So
I'm really thinking about health and and does does a
heavy deadlift or a heavy back squad or or you know,
(29:26):
even Olympic lifts can can be risky, right, so and
then what is the what is the what is the
payoff of taking that risk? And so I'm really always
I'm doing a lot of risk management now with a
lot of the programs I do as well, and taking
longer in my progressions is probably safer than trying to
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be too aggressive in ramping things up and developing again
and developing a work capacity base. And I think that's
that's the only thing that I see now with a
lot of programming is that the windows are narrower, so
everybody's trying to get more density into a shorter period
of time, and so the progressions aren't there, and the
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risk goes up. Whether it's developing basic aerobic qualities, the
basic strength and endurance qualities, consistency of movement patterns which
have to be done through repetition too, right, So I
think those are the things I'm thinking about a lot
of the time. Is I want to take more time
and I want people to be more patient with their training,
(30:34):
you know. So, I don't know, it's very interesting, like
how at age fifty five, I will go back and
look at some of the things I did twenty thirty
years ago and go, Okay, there was a reason for that.
There was a reason why we took longer to develop
that quality. And it wasn't It wasn't because it was novel.
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It was because it was like appropriate. And now I
think people will go to like, no, I want to
get better at this specific quality. So I'm going to
keep doing this and I want to do it more
and I want to do it faster, and and maybe
technology is making that worse. Maybe it's making us more
or less patient. There's more of an instant gratification that
comes with technology and seeing the feedback immediately. I don't know,
(31:19):
I'm just throwing stuff at you as I yeah, yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
It's some great points, right.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I mean I also think I think the technology sometimes
can make people a bit soft. I think it's valuable
if it's in the right hands, right, But you know,
I mean the second someone's HRV is dipping and they're like, oh,
you know, they start panicking, and I don't know, I
think a lot of people had some pretty incredible progress,
you know, without a lot of the tech. I love tech.
(31:46):
I use AURA like crazy, Like I love it. You know,
I also understand that I use it more for specific areas.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Right, I'm using it to look at trends, and I'm
using it.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
To trying to assess, you know, behavioral change when it
comes down to habits.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
You know, do you when you do your runs, are
you I'm not gonna say obsessing, are you really monitoring
like heart rate and you trying to keep it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, So, like you know, when I'm getting into a
steady state run, I've been using my zone a lot,
which I happen to like because I could just throw
my phone up and you know, on my treadmill and
I can.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Just you know, I run on a curved okay, one
of the reasons why I actually really enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Or I'll use my my my zone to be on
my Apple Watch if I'm running outside. Yeah, it's not
right in front of me, right, that's sometimes you know,
sometimes listen, if you're doing like a hill sprint and
trying to nail it, like you know, I'm not sitting
there running by Bible now, it's like you're going. But
sometimes having the monitor in front of you on the
(32:54):
treadmill really can establish that discipline that can force me
to have to maybe slow down or even it's like
a man, you got to speed up, speed up, speed
up type of thing. So I think that keeps me
honest sometimes again just my opinion the things.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
That I like to use. But yeah, I like I
like monorn.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Sometimes I also you know, i don't even want to
look at it and I'm like, today's more of a
day where I'm just going to go and I'm gonna
run and i'm gonna I'm gonna record, but I'm just
gonna see where it kind of takes me and push
at the rate that I want to push at. And
you know, sometimes it forces me to really give an
even better effort. I'm not obsessing over it or you know,
(33:34):
I could focus a little bit differently, so I find
pros and constable.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Uh you know, but I like.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Having the data and just recording it and analyzing and looking.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
You know, well, today was a high intensity day. How
much was I able to get into the red for?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
You know, after a hockey game, you know, assessing, Oh, well,
you know where where was I? You know, how many
different what zones was I in for the amount of
time I was playing and I using anything with that information?
The answer is no, Like, I don't really unless I
was going to start really like decreasing volume on on
different things. You know, Can I make good decisions with
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the cardio that I'm assigning to myself?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Like if I'm in the red or I saw I
got into the red, Am I going to come back
and blast.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
It within another day? Like that?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Well, you know, the answers most of the time depends
on how I feel. But if I'm feeling my crap
and my numbers are in the tank, then that to
me is evidence like let's not do this. But there
have been times where my numbers have been down and
I felt phenomenal and I'm just like fuck it, I'm
just going for it, right, So, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I don't know. I think it's how you treat the data.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
If you obsess over too much I think it can help,
and it could also work against you if you don't
know you know how to use. It's like body fat, right,
So people going for DEXA scans, like I've been getting
body fat done for you know, thirty years, you know,
back to the skin.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I still have my old school book.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I still have my old activities to old lang skin,
pole calibar calipers, man, Like these are like talk about
old school here. These were actually sent these out to
These are like almost collector's items down They're like I
set these things out to get recalibrated, and we create anxiety.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
And certain people when they saw them, let me.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Now people are like all going to go for a
text every month or every three months, and I'm like why,
like holy shit, Like just you better be a pretty
mentally tough person because it's not always going to be
this client.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
The graph's not always going to do this just doesn't happen, though.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
What do you think? Because I always hear about in
every industry, everybody's talking about the impact of artificial intelligence.
And so I was talking to some people who are
in the film industry and they were talking about script writing.
Even the idea that I may create actors or likenesses
of actors, and the actors won't even have to be there.
(36:01):
But if you think about programming evaluating exercise, and I've
seen some stuff biomechanical stuff software using AI, But for programming,
what do you think about somebody taking your results from
your or ring or taking other metrics and saying like, well,
(36:22):
this is your training program. Do you think there's anything
to that or do you I mean we go back
to what we talked about where it was like feel
and individualization using your experience. Do you think AI will
make its way into the fitness realm and the performance?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, I think it will eventually probably nail it. I
think it will eventually probably nail it. Are you and
I out of the business by then? Who knows? It's like,
you know, you know, at what point do they perfect it?
At what point does this become like total recall right
where it's just you know, you were in your monitor
(36:59):
and or getting in front of a screen and you
know all you need is your equipment and suddenly it's like, okay,
based off of your X, Y and Z, you've got
to do this week. You know, ten reps at two
hundred and twenty five pounds your second set, we're going to.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Back off to eight.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
You know, is it gonna literally get that specific where
it could start giving you that information and maybe continue
to take this data during the workout and then adjust
according to like oh nope, you're tapped out, you fell
off three reps there, let's move on and suddenly does it.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah. I think they're gonna get there one day. I
really do.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Well, you're someone who gets blood work done fairly regularly,
Like how much do you think that'll be something where
you get your blood work? It's like, okay, this is
how you precisely adjust your nutrition. This is how you
precisely like do you obsess about that? Can you impact
those those results?
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:59):
I'm looking at data and I'm like, all right, well
what do I need more.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Or less of? Right?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Like, is is there something you know, is my vitamin
d lo? Sure we're going to try like basic stuff
like that, But I'm not like, look at my diet
and they're like, oh, well you need to be eating
you know these I did all that that testing, you know,
one hundred years ago, all that alcat testing where it said,
well you need this shade or this type of colors
or this and that, and it really didn't do it
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did nothing for me. So I don't know, does it
Does it get to a point where where you know,
we're going to be that sensitive to you know, all
the data that work.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Is it going to lie to do that much more successful?
I got I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Do I think we're going to get to the point
where the where the tech and the wearables are going
to be able to turn to someone and say, all right,
this is what your workout needs to be today, follow it,
and it's going to get them to a good place.
The answer is yes. Do I think we're anywhere close
to where that data is going to be able to
get someone world class?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
The answer is no, I do not.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
I do not think it's going to be like, oh, well,
the data is going to get you bringing to this
level of.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Like world class. I don't.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
I think that's I think we're a long way aways
for that. But I think we're pretty close to everything
else that we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, I mean, those are those are some of the
things I've been thinking about. The other thing that I
want to ask you, and I know we were talking
about getting somebody on to talk about this, but I
see more like I'll get stuff sent to me, research notifications, newsletters,
and the amount of stuff I'm seeing on things like
the ozempic type drugs, yeah, semi glue tight or whatever
(39:35):
is overwhelming. It's almost like everybody's looking at this now
because it's so prevalent. And I don't know if it's
the same in Canada, but the amount of prescribing, the
amount of analysis being done on these types of drugs,
and the impact on things beyond addictions, beyond food is
(39:56):
pretty interesting. What have you been hearing?
Speaker 3 (39:59):
You know, maybe things that I hear more about It
is like bone density, Like what's this going to do
to overall?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Like muscle for me is it's like a it's.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Like an investment, right, It's you know, you put your
money into the stock market, you know, into a specific
stock that's ripping, meaning we're putting on muscle, and then
suddenly you just start pulling money out of that when
it's doing exceptional. Like it's it's you know, do we
wanna do we want to take money out now? Or
is this something that we got to leave and keep building?
(40:29):
Do you want to keep building that empire? Muscle is
like your empire. I just I'm never a believer that
we should ever like destroy our muscle, Like I just
you build muscle, that's your foundation, Like, don't don't touch it.
Like if you're trying to do a cut, I get it,
But what's the what's the goal of cutting?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
The goal and cutting is to not burn muscle? Like
you want to try. Like if you have a wish
in cutting. When someone has to.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Get ready for a role and they're like I want
to lose weight, you're like, great, I need to get leaned, Okay, great,
I want to troup my body if I have to
single digit Great. I do not want to burn muscle, right,
Like would you would you agree? If you can burn
that and maintain muscle, that to me is the goal.
If you can burn that and pun on muscle, that's
(41:14):
the holy grail. Is that impossible to do? The answer
is no, it's not impossible to do. We've seen it done.
It's very difficult to do. But I think burning burning
muscle is something that we just I don't know why
anyone would ever want to do that, right. It's like
taking up that savings that you've had and just lighting
(41:35):
that money on fire, Like why do we want to
get rid of that. Why don't we just want to
burn money that you've saved. It doesn't make it doesn't
make any sense to me. So the thing that you
know scares me. With a lot of those what are they,
whether they're considered more like glps? Yeah, yeah, more of
these glps? Are you know that you know, are we
(41:55):
ruining our four oh and k plant?
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Pretty right? Are we?
Speaker 3 (41:58):
What are we doing to muscle dense above bone density? Sorry? So,
I mean, if you're going in, if you're morbidly obese,
and you're someone who I've worked with plenty of people
who are five six and we all know that everyone
knows that I'm listening here at least, and I've worked
with someone who's close to nine hundred pounds. Like, if
that's something that at a point where it's life threatening, like,
(42:22):
of course, get on it, like it's life threatening. Like,
but the house mob who wants to drop twenty getting
on it, I'm like, come on, Like, give me a break. Like,
losing twenty pounds is not a hard thing to do.
It's not like you just don't want to do it.
You just you just don't want to fully commit to
the things that are going to get you to a
good place and you're approaching it or you're approaching it
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the wrong way where you know, you think you have
to get rid of everything forever.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
You know, we just have to type things up a
little bit in the beginning.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
So yeah, if someone has to get on it, measure
like just track, like keep an eye on it, you know,
make sure that we're not you know, you got to
resistance train, right, You got to eat enough protein. Like
there's just certain things that I feel like most people
when they get on these glps, they just stop. Well
(43:10):
I'm just gonna stop eating. And it's not good for us. No,
it's not good for us. Like I never like I
never understood the whole not eating thing. It's it's fasting.
It's starving ourselves. Like what like when I think of nutrition,
When I think of food, nutrition is fuel. It's like
(43:30):
we can put bad gas or good gasoline in the car.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Like what do we want to do? Like we want
to put good fuel.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
When you eat your berries and your vegetables and your
good protein carbs and fats and they're high in fiber
and all these foods that you're consuming are nutrient dense
and powerful.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Well, if that's powerful.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
We'll probably have a better chance in being powerful because
we're consuming powerful things that are going to help detoxify
our body and allow our body to be resilient. I
really think it's that simple, now, is it like that
of the time the answer is no, someone's diagnosed with cancer,
I'm not going to say, well, just give them a
really good, powerful die and that.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
No, of course I'm not talking about that.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
I'm talking about for like like an average like healthy
individual who's not you know, fighting disease.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Buddhist medicine. So yeah, I just I do believe the GLPS.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
There's a there's a place, but I think it's like
everything else that's going to be massively abused by people
who don't need it. And yeah, I think the proofs
of the pudding I think we're going to see over
the next decade.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
You know, what's what's what's really happening.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
So what are you coming up in twenty twenty five?
You talked about a book.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
A book, Yeah, that I'm excited about. Yeah, A bunch
of travel I'm going to I got to go to
Mexico early in January. Later in January, I'm going to
Dubai early February. A bunch of work trips coming up.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Some speaking, but really more, you know, just just more work.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
I've I've canceled some of my partnerships this year because
I just we kind of found our lane and we
just want to work on our business and not throw
so many balls in the air and really focus on
the things that matter.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
How about you?
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Oh yeah, I have to go to the American Physiotherapist
Association conference in Houston and February, and I think that's
the first place where I'm going to speak where they
don't cover anything, where you got to pay your own way, but.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
It'll be a good experience. It's so weird. I can't
stand that. It's it's like, come on, man, like take
care of your speakers. I'm not saying pay, like just
put your pay for your flight and put you.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Up or now no, nothing, nothing, nothing.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
What are they just like, this is great marketing for you?
Is that what they said? I guess.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
I don't know. There's going to be like ten thousand
physical therapists there, so it's like, yeah, you'll get exposure.
I'm like, okay, whatever, I got roped into it, But.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Well I would just I just make a mental note
like that it pays david ends and you end up
getting some great relationships out of it.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Awesome. But yeah, yeah, I had ten times I do
that stuff. It was normally like a complete waste of time.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Thanks'll be good because it's you, yours will be good
to you.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
But like I stopped, Like I like, well, I speak
for free.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Sure, Like it's got to be a good friends asking
me a favor, like you asked me to get on
a plane tomorrow, Like sure, what do you need me
to do?
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Brother? Like we're family, Like I'll love to help. But
then I'll be out there and I'll enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
But I just a lot of the phone calls that
I received from people wanted me to come out and
dedicate my time, and they're the ones making money.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
On the back end. It's just like you just don't
feel right about it after a while.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah, yeah, and then I'll go to planning to go
to Munich in May so do something nice interesting.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
What are you doing there?
Speaker 1 (46:52):
It's just I have some connection there that owns a
facility in a clinic, and I have a guy that
works with one of the local soccer teams, so I
think they'll be able to get a whole bunch of
people out if I teach, maybe do two weekends bookend it.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
So what what are you back out in New York?
Any idea?
Speaker 1 (47:11):
I want to get out there because I was talking
to a few people. But I'll let you know. But
hopefully I'd like to go when the weather's nicer too,
because the last every time I've been seeing it has
been like November the last couple of years.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
So yeah, let me let me let me know.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Of course I'll be I'll be off the grid for
the next few days, but then we'll we'll jump back
on for the new year, and we'll start doing some
good stuff, right,
Welcome to the D and D Fitness Radio podcast, brought
to you by your hosts Don Saladino from New York
City and Derek Hanson from Vancouver, Canada.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
So here we go, man, another year, right, wrapping up there?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, did you guys travel during the holidays at all?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
We went to Waco, Texas.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
That's right. How was that great?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm working with you know, Joanna and Chip Gaines.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
They got a production company there, so they got me
involved on a little project. I'm gonna be doing a
bunch of recordings with them and you know, just fun stuff.
I've been training them for a while so they've just
become incredible people, good friends, love everything they're about.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Super supportive.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
So it was fun to get out to Waco because
I've never been there, and I didn't really I think
when I got connected with them a few months ago,
it feels like years already. But I knew they were
big at what they did. But until you actually show
up to someone's environment and you see what they created,
and you see what they did to that town, the community.
Going to see the silos and going to Magnolia and
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checking that out, I mean, it's just another world.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Man. It was wild.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
We stayed at their hotel called the nineteen nineteen twenty nine.
It was in nineteen twenty eight. Ooh, I should know this.
I think it's in nineteen twenty eight. I think it's
a nineteen twenty because the Great Depression was in twenty nine, right, yep,
all right, so I think it was a year.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, it was the year before the depression. Yeah, hotel nineteen.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I'm just looking up quit nineteen twenty, Hotel nineteen twenty eight.
It's nineteen twenty eight, and that's how you remeber the
year before the depression. So yeah, we had a flying
to Dallas. Mel Mel actually never goes on works trips
to may and she definitely wanted to come check this out.
So we went in Dallas and we drove, you know,
almost two hours to Waco and then checked in and
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just you know, got to work with their team and
meet their friends and their staff and did like a
recording with them for almost three hours.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It was wild. So yeah, it's fun. It's gonna be
an interesting year.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
So I got that I'm working on and I told
you we're working on that book. We signed that book
deal with Countryman Press, which we just pretty much finalized
everything with the with the contract, so that's a done deal.
So I was just on the phone with Charles Thorp,
who's my ghostwriter, and we were kind of reviewing that.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
So that's interesting. I've never have you written a.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Book just just a training book, like a technical like
biometric book. But it was interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
It's definitely talk about a process I'm not comfortable with.
I mean, it's great that do I think I can
do this on my own with out I don't even
know where to start, right, It's yeah, it's It's.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
The good thing about having like a publisher that you
work with is they kind of they put you on
deadlines and you have to get things done right. So
if it was left up to me, I would have
just procrastinated a lot. But yeah, they do. It is
good in that sense.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, No, they've been they've been great so far.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
So yeah, I mean, you know, we've got you know,
this book will probably be out about a year, you know,
still it's still early early stages.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
But you know, it's a good exercise.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It is. It's something that I've never done.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I did once with Garden of Life and we put
it together and I had a ghostwriter, and by the
time the book was done and I was going through
the transcript, I was like, oh my god, it's terrible,
Like I can't, I can't, I can't.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Like this doesn't sound like me.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Really kind of struggled, you know, and I just said,
we can't use this, and they're like, what do you
want us to do. I'm like, I don't know, use
it as blog posts. We just didn't even use it,
which might have been looking back on now, it might
have been dumb. It might have been better to just,
you know, put some time into really kind of recreating
the tone.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
But it just it was just shit.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I mean, I was actually surprised that they were like, okay,
they hired this ghostwriter. We went through writing this book,
and you know, when I started going through with it,
I was like, yeah, this isn't good. And I think,
rather than you know, I'm looking back on it now,
I'm kind of surprised. We're like, well, let's let's kind
of curate this to sound more like you, or let's
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get your message across more. And it just wasn't really that.
I think they just discontinued it. It's funny. It's funny,
how like this time goes on, you just start looking
at things differently.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
It's as you as you age, you know, rather than
looking at something at the time where you're like, oh,
this is terrible, now you're like, ohm, was that salvageable?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Was it that terrible? Right?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I think in the moment, you always want to make
it perfect, right, So it's very easy to overanalyze and
be a little insecure about it. But like you said,
as you get older, you have a little more perspective
and you're like, wow, that wasn't that bad. Like I,
you know, at least I took a shot, And maybe
that's what it is. Maybe you have to go through
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that process of you know, failing a bit, stumbling a bit,
and then you grow from it. And I don't know,
it's it's you know, I always look back at stuff
I've done before, I'm like, oh that was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Wow, yeah yeah, or or or you look back on
things and you cringe.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, it's it's I've always struggled to kind of go
back and watch things I've been filmed for, you know,
I mean I mean like Professional Things, Golf Channel or
Revolution Golf, of the companies that I worked for for
a long time, you know, going back to twenty eleven,
can I watch Golf over fifty that I shot with?
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You know, with you know that stuff, you start getting
a little.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Not cringey. You can just see where all the mistakes are.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You need to know your your actor clients. Like I've
I've thought the same thing, and I've thought, well, when
I asked the actor that I work with, like, his
first movie was a pee Wee Herman movie, he was
in Pee Wee Yeah, okay, Big Top Peewee, right, and
he was good friends with Paul Rubins, and and I thought, well,
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maybe he'll feel a little embarrassed about being in the movie.
But he was very kind of reflective and he had
a lot of good things to say about that experience.
So it's very interesting. I think you just have to
kind of put yourself in like, hey, at that time,
that was their first movie, so that was a big deal.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. I've never thought of that.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
You know, what, what do the actors think about their
performances now? I think that's interesting where you know, do
they ever go back and look and say not about
like the role that they chose right or the movie,
like oh, I'm embarrassed. I even did that movie more like, well,
how do you feel about your acting performance? Do a
lot of them evolve so much to where they're like, No,
I would have approached that differently, or I would have
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gotten into character differently. Like you have to imagine the
answers yes, and you have to imagine you know they
would God, that'd be an interesting question.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I want to get. We should get you, we should
get we get an actor on right now?
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You have one you could doctor just yeah, I think, well,
how do you look when you watch your old stuff?
Like do you go that was pretty good? Do you.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Call on my advice?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Mm hmm?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Call and Drew Powell? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Did they see it as an evolution?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I'll pick it up. He's not picking up.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah, if he calls back, which he probably will, he's
normally very good. He's probably in the middle of something.
But if he calls back, we have to get ready
to send them a link.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Because here's an example. Like, if I look back at
some of the training programs I wrote twenty years ago,
they seem kind of old school, but in the same
time I look at them as like, wow, I wish
I could still do that because it was very you know,
kind of classical strength and conditioning and running stuff where
(08:38):
maybe I'm not doing enough of that anymore. Do you
know what I'm saying, Like, maybe I'm got away from
that and that was pretty good. So I'll look at
it kind of that way too.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, I look back when I look back on my training,
you know, twenty years ago, it's.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Like program design. I think it was all good stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It's a bit linear, right, Like it's a bit literally,
it's a bit linear, like everything's you know, very you know,
in one direction. So I think a little less dynamic,
but I but you know, I also think about, you know,
do you have to be doing cliometrics if you're out
there playing soccer or playing basketball, you know, a couple
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of days a week, like do you have obviously? And
it's always different, right because I'll measure heart rate on
the ice and everyone's like, oh, hockey's your cardio, and
I'm like, oh my god, I'm not working anywhere.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Mirror is hard and hockey.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
As I am if I'm on you know, the track
or doing treadmills, because when they're like when everything's timed
and it's like a stop go and it's it's very regimented.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
That's where I feel like you could challenge yourself little
bit more.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
When you're on the ice, you're going as the play goes,
and it doesn't always have to be a sprint and
depending on who I'm the on the ice with more
like do I feel like I have to work harder
or less or you know, when I'm playing with much
better players, I feel like the puck is just where
you need to be. When you're playing with worse players,
you got to kind of create plays and you're flying
all over the ice. It's just it's interesting sometimes when
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I was I still am into a lot of sport.
But I think the thing with programming now that you
know a lot of people still don't get is like.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
How much do we really need? Right?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Like?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
How much of this is? Think about it? Right?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Like, you know, well, for you body parts, you know
you need x amount of sets in this range and
that range, and you're just kind of like, well, there
probably some truth to that, right you know.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
You get a you know, a science.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Based coach who's you know, who's really done their homework
and you know as those medical initials before their name,
and you know they you know they they're if you're
training with that level of city, yes, the volume can drop,
But what about the other people who just have a
lot of additional activity that are emulating sport throughout the
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week and who are like doing other things that are
very taxing on their body, you know, does the volume
Actually this is the first year that like, this is
like hockey season for us right now.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
We play a lot in the winter. And I've I
actually got on.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
A powerlifting program by this guy's Sebastian Orb. He's the
Australian strand coach who is friends with my buddy Marcus,
who's Marcus is a world class powerlifter. And the simplicity
of his programs, like today it was three movements like
holy shit, like talk about simple, right, Like I got
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to get in, I do my own warm up, I
do all my own stuff to get my body feeling right.
And today was literally squat extensions like girls like pretty basic. Right,
Tomorrow powerlifting bench press pauses on dumbbells, some pulling, you know,
to compliment all the pushing done. Right, Thursday is going
to be deadlift day and leg day again, right, Friday's
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going to be you know, upper body again, right, really basic,
but the volume is cut down so much that I'm
paying attention to one thing and one thing only right now.
For the first time in my training, it's getting stronger.
Like I'm not really concerned with body composition right now.
I'm just my goal is like, am I getting stronger?
Am I getting stronger? How does my body feel? Am
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I getting stronger? Because to get stronger in season? You know,
you're not supposed to do this right technically, but I'm
not a professional athlete. I'm not getting paid to do this.
I play hockey all year long. I just played more now,
So like what am I going to turn around? And
I'm in season and suddenly going to me and it's
planned like bullshit, Like I cut back on the volume
and I'm trying to get certain with stronger and it's working,
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and it's been working for the last you know, we started,
you know, really ramping things up into October. So numbers
every week going up, going up, going up. Body feels good.
So like who am I to say? You know I'm
doing anything wrong? But you know, if it was me
writing my own programs, sometimes you know, you you recognize
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as a coach all the things you need and if
you're not laying things out in blocks of training, and
it could it could become a big clusterfuck of just
too much of a good thing, even the sprinting. Like
I'm still running a little bit right now, and you know,
I'm not doing a lot of cardio because of hockey,
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but I'm throwing in like one steady state run because
I want to maintain that those qualities, and then at
the end of my run, I'm throwing in like five
really intense spreading intervals, right, which, to be honest, I
kind of like doing this a lot more towards the
end of a steady state day because I'm really warmed up.
My heart rates already pretty elevated to where if I'm sprinting,
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I have to do so many sprints if I'm doing this,
you know, to help improve you know, you know, anaerobic
like capacity, right if I'm trying to improve that, like
I'm like, I'm gonna have to get my heart rate
into a specific zone and to do that out of
a gate like it takes me a lot of time.
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So I actually I found that doing my steady state
cardio and then at the end throwing in some blips up.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
And I know this is not science. This is not scientific, but.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Like throwing in some spurts of intervals has allowed me
to kind of maintain some of these qualities. In that sense,
while I'm still out playing right now, as springing summer
rolls around and I can get to the track and
hockey gets cut back, you know that my training is
going to change and I might start implementing in more
spread work, more you know, reactive, more pliometric, you know,
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based training, because I'm going to be outside so right now,
but just get strong, get strong, get strong, and as
we chant transition to spring summer's weather, it gets better.
I could start focusing on that. I think a major
problem with most programming is, you know, people, especially coaches.
Writing for clients is easy. Writing for yourself sometimes as
a coach could become a challenge because in your head,
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you're like you just I found sometimes I could overthink
things rather than just keeping it so basic and saying, oh,
just work on this.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
It's gonna check a lot of boxes. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah? No, I think so, I think, And I don't
know if you you feel this way, But because I'm
because I'm older, the rules have changed for me too,
Like you said, I will do a longer steady state,
then I'll do sprints after where I wouldn't program that
because I know that the run would take away from
the sprints. But now that I'm older, I would do
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that because, like you said, you're warmed up, which is
a huge part of it, Like it takes a lot
longer for me to warm up so that my body's warm,
everything is activated.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I think it's I think it's because normally like a
lot of and.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You can't run too fast at the end, right.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Right, right, And I understand that is it an all out?
Like is it one hundred percent burst? Like the answer
is no, Is that the goal right now? It's not
the goal. It's just the goal of me throwing those
treadmills in is to create some speed, to create some force,
to you know, reactive off the belt, to try be
as you always say, bouncy off the belt and almost
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like running like you're on pogos right and and kind
of feeling that leg kick a bit and and and
producing some speed to where I feel like, all right,
is it is it a one max effort? No? But
we don't do max effort as much anymore on lifting, right,
we're always doing kind of sub bacs reps in reserves.
(16:44):
So you know, do we need to always do that
in sprinting that's a question for you.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
No, absolutely not, but definitely as we get older, absolutely not.
And and I was thinking about this, and I'm i
going to write an article on this about like exposure
to high intensity versus low intensity. And remember Charlie Frantz
was talking about when he worked with some older football
players NFL players, that he would as they got older,
like older would be into their thirties, he would kind
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of expand their low intensity volume of work because they
just couldn't handle the exposure to high intensity. The volume
of high intensity more because obviously there's risk, but they
just couldn't basically handle it. So when he opened up
more low intensity tempo runs than those types of things
and even gym work and med ballwork that was you know,
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work capacity, they were able to hold their level of
performance because it was almost like he again, like a
young person, you're developing a base and then once you
have the base, you know, once you're mature, you can
you know, keep pushing the peak up. But I think
as you get older, you have to re establish the
base almost as like a safety valve to some degree.
(18:00):
So I'm thinking about that constantly. But the other thing
that was interesting is now that i'm programming, you know,
for younger people, like say, let's say seventeen to twenty
two year old like a college I'm almost very I'm
almost too cautious because I think about my own training
where I think I could be a little more aggressive
(18:20):
with their training because they're more resilient, you know what
I'm saying. So I'm a little gun shy in that respect.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Yeah, listen, prooves in the pudding at the end of
the day, rights, it's you know, we don't really know
how anyone's I mean, you want to come in with
as much education as possible when building a program, right, Like,
that's why you go to experience coaches. Is technically what
we're saying is well, in my experience, based off of
your lifestyle, based off of your training age, based off
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of the stresses in your life, this is what I
feel you should be doing. That's technically what a coach
is doing. But you know, I can't tell you how
many times people ask me these questions and they're like, well,
I want to add this innocent too much. Now I
can turn around and just be an asshole and say, well, yeah,
it's not what I want it right, which a lot
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of coaches do, like stick with the program.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Do you really know? Do we really know what's going
to happen?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Like Derek, you write a program for an athlete, two athletes,
both of them are seniors in high school, both of
them are the same age, height, and weight, and suddenly,
off your program one of the athletes start adding in
an additional five sprints a workout in at the end
right of a workout, like too much, too little, overreaching?
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Do we really know the instance? We don't really know.
We know, we don't really know, Like what if that
athlete starts doing that and like out of nowhere, their
athletic performance just goes beyond the other athlete they were
working with. Well, I don't even know if I could
blame it's because of the because of those sprints, could
be because of anything.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Who knows how they're sleeping, eating, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
But do we really know when we start, you know,
tampering with these numbers, if it's you know.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
If it's too much or too little.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I think the proofs in the putting if you're on
a program and you know you're getting stronger, your energy
feels great, and your performances improving, then is that a
good enough.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Way to measure?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
And I feel like the answers yes, especially if they're
you know, if they're enjoying it right.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
It's it's such there's such a feel to it, like
it's like an educated guess and you're in the ballpark,
and then there's this leeway like you're saying kind of like,
let's go a little less, let's go a little more.
And I think, as I've been now that I'm older,
I'm less apt to write a program, stick to the program,
and walk away. I'm more apt to come up with
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general volumes if I know, like, Okay, this is what
we did last day, so this is what we're going
to our last week, So this is what we're going
to do this week. And it's almost like I've gravitated
to what like the Charlie Francis approach was, which was
I kind of know where I am in the training program,
so I know that I can give you this much,
but if it looks like it's you're on't handling it,
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then I'll pull it back. If it looks like you're
doing well, then I'll give you more. Like it's a
very you know what I'm saying, Like, it's like a
feel thing that you you get more confident with as
you age.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
But that's that's got to come through experience, right, And
that's got to come.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Through rial and error.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yehusly working on your your practice, and I mean like
your training practice, Like if you're training others, that's you know,
that's something that you still every client you work with,
it's an experience. It's a it's a new almost feel
like every client I've ever worked with, it's a new puzzle,
a different puzzle. Like it's never the same. Oh, we're
giving you the same boring puzzle of New York City.
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Like put it to it's the same one but the
same company. It's identical. It's never identical. Like when you
go out and you buy a puzzle, right, all it's
all different. Even if it's like you're trying to make
it out to look like the same you know city Manhattan,
New York City, right, you still if you're buying it
from different companies, the pieces are going to be different.
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They're gonna be different sizes, right, it's just it's the
same analogy with the people that we've worked with.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
It it's no different.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You can turn around and try and get as much
evidence as you can, as much science as you can
pointing you in a direction that's like oh.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Wow, research just saying this.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
But like now that's where the evidence is steering you too,
Like now you've got to now it's trial and error.
Now it's like all right, let's let's go like put
it to work, Like is this going to work? And
you know the answer isn't always yes, And that's why
we've seen I mean, think about in your career, you've
been doing this.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
How many years have you been doing this now?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I know, I'm going on, like I've been coaching since
the late eighties, so it's.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Longer than me.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
So you're over thirty, You're close to Holy shit, you're
you know, you're that's over thirty years for you.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I'm I'm I'm creeping in on thirty. I got a
few more years, bud.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
How much stuff have we seen that's you know, how
much new evidence coming out now that's contradicting things that
came out years ago. And everyone's like, oh, this you
have to do this, and you know, I still think,
you know, experience, you know that there's something to be
said about that.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
It's it's I like the puzzle analogy because like, I
don't know if you do it this way, but when
I work at Jinsaw puzzle, I find the edges and
I work towards the middle, whereas training, I think I
do the opposite. I start in the middle and I
work to the edges. That's wild, isn't it weird?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Like yeah, I mean I like the puzzle analogy because
I've seen, you know, I've seen whatever, I'm many puzzles
in my life. But it's even if you're the same puzzle,
the same building or the same city or state or
whatever it is, or a map puzzle, whatever it is,
like they're always like, oh, it's we're still building the
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same thing, but the pieces are all different sizes, are they,
or they're you know, or this piece overlaps the empire
state building just a little bit, and on that puzzle
it didn't. It's it's that's you know, it's at the
end of the day, like it's very common for people
that have the same goals, right I think so, I
think most people out there have.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
The same goals.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Like if you turn to everyone, you know, if you
turn to ninety percent of the planet and you're like, hey,
twenty twenty five, you're gonna the goals to look better
naked up, higher levels of energy, be strong, be mobile,
be resilient. Is most people are going to take that package.
I think most people are going to be like, give
that to me, that's what I want. So I understand
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the outcome of a lot of people are the same.
It's just it's there's a reason why people are so
confused about all this, right, It's a reason why everyone's
shaking their head, like what do I do a diet?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
What do I do with training? Well? Is it RPE?
Is it r R? Is it reps in reserve? Oh? RPE? Shit?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Oh REPS and reserve is shit? Like everyone now has
to just bash, you know, the living shit out of
these different things, these different areas that are supposed to
get people at least a little bit of you know, guidance.
All right, fine, you know what if if I told
you I want two reps in reserve, but you really
did a set and it was truly three reps in reserve?
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Fucking matter, Like, is it really gonna matter, Like you're
creating tension, you're practicing good repetition.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Is it really gonna matter? No fucking way, right.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Like there's there's there's no way. It's a buddy of
mine today was, you know, starting a new powerlifting plane,
one of the strongest human beings I know, and his
coach gave him an RPE. He goes, I'm not used
to RPE. What is I don't really get it? Like
I don't I don't understand RPE. And I'm like, well,
what are you doing today for your first sets? He's like, yeah,
I'm holding a five sets of five. I'm just throwing
(26:01):
five hundred on the bucks, squatting five hundred with you know.
Pauses and he's like, I think that that's that's an
RP of seven. That's seven out of ten, well seven
out of ten seventy percent, well seventy percent of ten
would be seven, right, that's three reps in reserve, right.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Like, are you following what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
It is?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Well, no, it's not that it is.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
It can get confusing for people who don't really understand.
Go in there, find commit to a program, right like
this is these are the things people should really think
about commit to a program, commit to something. Don't just
sit here pulling shit off of YouTube and just because
you know what, you never really get to practice, never
really get to learn, you'd never get to develop. I
(26:47):
did listen when I was a young kid and I
was really getting into training. I would go to the
magazines and oh, I'm gonna do this chess workout today.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
You're going in and you're just chasing kind of a feeling, right,
you're chasing a pump. You're but like, are you ever
able to really learn to really commit to something for
whatever the block of training is, one, two, three, five months,
whatever it.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Is, commit to something. Get those big lifts.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
You know, I still believe in getting getting stronger, Like
getting those big lifts stronger. There's really no downside to
that as long as you're training. You know, you're moving
the way that's acceptable, right Obviously, never load dysfunction. You know,
start doing these things and you know, and I'm not
talking about the sleep and eating and all that shit,
(27:33):
but like, you know, going and being consistent with a
training program and focusing on getting stronger pretty basic stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Now. For me, strength is like Derek strength means I
can Strength means I can touch my toes. Strength means
I can stand on one leg. You know.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Strength means I can move and I could do these
things in different positions.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
That's what strength means.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Like strength to mean doesn't just mean about how much
weight can I pick up the floor, how much weight
can I press? It also means one of these other
things I can do getting on a hockey rink tomorrow.
Playing that's being strong, running hard, sprinting that's strong. Like
strength to me encompasses so many different things, right, But
I think we really start neglecting the basics and we
(28:16):
start looking for this magic, you know, magic potion out
there where I'm like, get the basics. Keep going back
to the basics. That's one thing about your programming that
hasn't changed. Like there's something on your programming right now
that's been there thirty forty years ago. Run, run, jump, throw, harry,
pick up heavy shit Like these are like really basic
(28:38):
things that you haven't neglected throughout the years.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah. And I think the thing for me now is
that everything that I program goes back to health as
an outcome, right too. So if I'm programming something that
potentially is risky or could create an injury or problem.
I don't think that's that's appropriate, right, And I'm not
(29:05):
just thinking about myself. I'm thinking about other people, and
I'm thinking about the potential for injury. The trauma creates
the psychological confidence, you know, disruptions and all that. So
I'm really thinking about health and and does does a
heavy deadlift or a heavy back squad or or you know,
(29:26):
even Olympic lifts can can be risky, right, so and
then what is the what is the what is the
payoff of taking that risk? And so I'm really always
I'm doing a lot of risk management now with a
lot of the programs I do as well, and taking
longer in my progressions is probably safer than trying to
(29:49):
be too aggressive in ramping things up and developing again
and developing a work capacity base. And I think that's
that's the only thing that I see now with a
lot of programming is that the windows are narrower, so
everybody's trying to get more density into a shorter period
of time, and so the progressions aren't there, and the
(30:10):
risk goes up. Whether it's developing basic aerobic qualities, the
basic strength and endurance qualities, consistency of movement patterns which
have to be done through repetition too, right, So I
think those are the things I'm thinking about a lot
of the time. Is I want to take more time
and I want people to be more patient with their training,
(30:34):
you know. So, I don't know, it's very interesting, like
how at age fifty five, I will go back and
look at some of the things I did twenty thirty
years ago and go, Okay, there was a reason for that.
There was a reason why we took longer to develop
that quality. And it wasn't It wasn't because it was novel.
(30:56):
It was because it was like appropriate. And now I
think people will go to like, no, I want to
get better at this specific quality. So I'm going to
keep doing this and I want to do it more
and I want to do it faster, and and maybe
technology is making that worse. Maybe it's making us more
or less patient. There's more of an instant gratification that
comes with technology and seeing the feedback immediately. I don't know,
(31:19):
I'm just throwing stuff at you as I yeah, yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
It's some great points, right.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I mean I also think I think the technology sometimes
can make people a bit soft. I think it's valuable
if it's in the right hands, right, But you know,
I mean the second someone's HRV is dipping and they're like, oh,
you know, they start panicking, and I don't know, I
think a lot of people had some pretty incredible progress,
you know, without a lot of the tech. I love tech.
(31:46):
I use AURA like crazy, Like I love it. You know,
I also understand that I use it more for specific areas.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Right, I'm using it to look at trends, and I'm
using it.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
To trying to assess, you know, behavioral change when it
comes down to habits.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
You know, do you when you do your runs, are
you I'm not gonna say obsessing, are you really monitoring
like heart rate and you trying to keep it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, So, like you know, when I'm getting into a
steady state run, I've been using my zone a lot,
which I happen to like because I could just throw
my phone up and you know, on my treadmill and
I can.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Just you know, I run on a curved okay, one
of the reasons why I actually really enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Or I'll use my my my zone to be on
my Apple Watch if I'm running outside. Yeah, it's not
right in front of me, right, that's sometimes you know,
sometimes listen, if you're doing like a hill sprint and
trying to nail it, like you know, I'm not sitting
there running by Bible now, it's like you're going. But
sometimes having the monitor in front of you on the
(32:54):
treadmill really can establish that discipline that can force me
to have to maybe slow down or even it's like
a man, you got to speed up, speed up, speed
up type of thing. So I think that keeps me
honest sometimes again just my opinion the things.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
That I like to use. But yeah, I like I
like monorn.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Sometimes I also you know, i don't even want to
look at it and I'm like, today's more of a
day where I'm just going to go and I'm gonna
run and i'm gonna I'm gonna record, but I'm just
gonna see where it kind of takes me and push
at the rate that I want to push at. And
you know, sometimes it forces me to really give an
even better effort. I'm not obsessing over it or you know,
(33:34):
I could focus a little bit differently, so I find
pros and constable.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Uh you know, but I like.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Having the data and just recording it and analyzing and looking.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
You know, well, today was a high intensity day. How
much was I able to get into the red for?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
You know, after a hockey game, you know, assessing, Oh, well,
you know where where was I? You know, how many
different what zones was I in for the amount of
time I was playing and I using anything with that information?
The answer is no, Like, I don't really unless I
was going to start really like decreasing volume on on
different things. You know, Can I make good decisions with
(34:12):
the cardio that I'm assigning to myself?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Like if I'm in the red or I saw I
got into the red, Am I going to come back
and blast.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
It within another day? Like that?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Well, you know, the answers most of the time depends
on how I feel. But if I'm feeling my crap
and my numbers are in the tank, then that to
me is evidence like let's not do this. But there
have been times where my numbers have been down and
I felt phenomenal and I'm just like fuck it, I'm
just going for it, right, So, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I don't know. I think it's how you treat the data.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
If you obsess over too much I think it can help,
and it could also work against you if you don't
know you know how to use. It's like body fat, right,
So people going for DEXA scans, like I've been getting
body fat done for you know, thirty years, you know,
back to the skin.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I still have my old school book.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I still have my old activities to old lang skin,
pole calibar calipers, man, Like these are like talk about
old school here. These were actually sent these out to
These are like almost collector's items down They're like I
set these things out to get recalibrated, and we create anxiety.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
And certain people when they saw them, let me.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Now people are like all going to go for a
text every month or every three months, and I'm like why,
like holy shit, Like just you better be a pretty
mentally tough person because it's not always going to be
this client.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
The graph's not always going to do this just doesn't happen, though.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
What do you think? Because I always hear about in
every industry, everybody's talking about the impact of artificial intelligence.
And so I was talking to some people who are
in the film industry and they were talking about script writing.
Even the idea that I may create actors or likenesses
of actors, and the actors won't even have to be there.
(36:01):
But if you think about programming evaluating exercise, and I've
seen some stuff biomechanical stuff software using AI, But for programming,
what do you think about somebody taking your results from
your or ring or taking other metrics and saying like, well,
(36:22):
this is your training program. Do you think there's anything
to that or do you I mean we go back
to what we talked about where it was like feel
and individualization using your experience. Do you think AI will
make its way into the fitness realm and the performance?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, I think it will eventually probably nail it. I
think it will eventually probably nail it. Are you and
I out of the business by then? Who knows? It's like,
you know, you know, at what point do they perfect it?
At what point does this become like total recall right
where it's just you know, you were in your monitor
(36:59):
and or getting in front of a screen and you
know all you need is your equipment and suddenly it's like, okay,
based off of your X, Y and Z, you've got
to do this week. You know, ten reps at two
hundred and twenty five pounds your second set, we're going to.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Back off to eight.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
You know, is it gonna literally get that specific where
it could start giving you that information and maybe continue
to take this data during the workout and then adjust
according to like oh nope, you're tapped out, you fell
off three reps there, let's move on and suddenly does it.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah. I think they're gonna get there one day. I
really do.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Well, you're someone who gets blood work done fairly regularly,
Like how much do you think that'll be something where
you get your blood work? It's like, okay, this is
how you precisely adjust your nutrition. This is how you
precisely like do you obsess about that? Can you impact
those those results?
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:59):
I'm looking at data and I'm like, all right, well
what do I need more.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Or less of? Right?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Like, is is there something you know, is my vitamin
d lo? Sure we're going to try like basic stuff
like that, But I'm not like, look at my diet
and they're like, oh, well you need to be eating
you know these I did all that that testing, you know,
one hundred years ago, all that alcat testing where it said,
well you need this shade or this type of colors
or this and that, and it really didn't do it
(38:26):
did nothing for me. So I don't know, does it
Does it get to a point where where you know,
we're going to be that sensitive to you know, all
the data that work.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Is it going to lie to do that much more successful?
I got I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Do I think we're going to get to the point
where the where the tech and the wearables are going
to be able to turn to someone and say, all right,
this is what your workout needs to be today, follow it,
and it's going to get them to a good place.
The answer is yes. Do I think we're anywhere close
to where that data is going to be able to
get someone world class?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
The answer is no, I do not.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
I do not think it's going to be like, oh, well,
the data is going to get you bringing to this
level of.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Like world class. I don't.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
I think that's I think we're a long way aways
for that. But I think we're pretty close to everything
else that we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, I mean, those are those are some of the
things I've been thinking about. The other thing that I
want to ask you, and I know we were talking
about getting somebody on to talk about this, but I
see more like I'll get stuff sent to me, research notifications, newsletters,
and the amount of stuff I'm seeing on things like
the ozempic type drugs, yeah, semi glue tight or whatever
(39:35):
is overwhelming. It's almost like everybody's looking at this now
because it's so prevalent. And I don't know if it's
the same in Canada, but the amount of prescribing, the
amount of analysis being done on these types of drugs,
and the impact on things beyond addictions, beyond food is
(39:56):
pretty interesting. What have you been hearing?
Speaker 3 (39:59):
You know, maybe things that I hear more about It
is like bone density, Like what's this going to do
to overall?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Like muscle for me is it's like a it's.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Like an investment, right, It's you know, you put your
money into the stock market, you know, into a specific
stock that's ripping, meaning we're putting on muscle, and then
suddenly you just start pulling money out of that when
it's doing exceptional. Like it's it's you know, do we
wanna do we want to take money out now? Or
is this something that we got to leave and keep building?
(40:29):
Do you want to keep building that empire? Muscle is
like your empire. I just I'm never a believer that
we should ever like destroy our muscle, Like I just
you build muscle, that's your foundation, Like, don't don't touch it.
Like if you're trying to do a cut, I get it,
But what's the what's the goal of cutting?
Speaker 2 (40:46):
The goal and cutting is to not burn muscle? Like
you want to try. Like if you have a wish
in cutting. When someone has to.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Get ready for a role and they're like I want
to lose weight, you're like, great, I need to get leaned, Okay, great,
I want to troup my body if I have to
single digit Great. I do not want to burn muscle, right,
Like would you would you agree? If you can burn
that and maintain muscle, that to me is the goal.
If you can burn that and pun on muscle, that's
(41:14):
the holy grail. Is that impossible to do? The answer
is no, it's not impossible to do. We've seen it done.
It's very difficult to do. But I think burning burning
muscle is something that we just I don't know why
anyone would ever want to do that, right. It's like
taking up that savings that you've had and just lighting
(41:35):
that money on fire, Like why do we want to
get rid of that. Why don't we just want to
burn money that you've saved. It doesn't make it doesn't
make any sense to me. So the thing that you
know scares me. With a lot of those what are they,
whether they're considered more like glps? Yeah, yeah, more of
these glps? Are you know that you know, are we
(41:55):
ruining our four oh and k plant?
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Pretty right? Are we?
Speaker 3 (41:58):
What are we doing to muscle dense above bone density? Sorry? So,
I mean, if you're going in, if you're morbidly obese,
and you're someone who I've worked with plenty of people
who are five six and we all know that everyone
knows that I'm listening here at least, and I've worked
with someone who's close to nine hundred pounds. Like, if
that's something that at a point where it's life threatening, like,
(42:22):
of course, get on it, like it's life threatening. Like,
but the house mob who wants to drop twenty getting
on it, I'm like, come on, Like, give me a break. Like,
losing twenty pounds is not a hard thing to do.
It's not like you just don't want to do it.
You just you just don't want to fully commit to
the things that are going to get you to a
good place and you're approaching it or you're approaching it
(42:42):
the wrong way where you know, you think you have
to get rid of everything forever.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
You know, we just have to type things up a
little bit in the beginning.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
So yeah, if someone has to get on it, measure
like just track, like keep an eye on it, you know,
make sure that we're not you know, you got to
resistance train, right, You got to eat enough protein. Like
there's just certain things that I feel like most people
when they get on these glps, they just stop. Well
(43:10):
I'm just gonna stop eating. And it's not good for us. No,
it's not good for us. Like I never like I
never understood the whole not eating thing. It's it's fasting.
It's starving ourselves. Like what like when I think of nutrition,
When I think of food, nutrition is fuel. It's like
(43:30):
we can put bad gas or good gasoline in the car.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Like what do we want to do? Like we want
to put good fuel.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
When you eat your berries and your vegetables and your
good protein carbs and fats and they're high in fiber
and all these foods that you're consuming are nutrient dense
and powerful.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Well, if that's powerful.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
We'll probably have a better chance in being powerful because
we're consuming powerful things that are going to help detoxify
our body and allow our body to be resilient. I
really think it's that simple, now, is it like that
of the time the answer is no, someone's diagnosed with cancer,
I'm not going to say, well, just give them a
really good, powerful die and that.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
No, of course I'm not talking about that.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
I'm talking about for like like an average like healthy
individual who's not you know, fighting disease.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Buddhist medicine. So yeah, I just I do believe the GLPS.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
There's a there's a place, but I think it's like
everything else that's going to be massively abused by people
who don't need it. And yeah, I think the proofs
of the pudding I think we're going to see over
the next decade.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
You know, what's what's what's really happening.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
So what are you coming up in twenty twenty five?
You talked about a book.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
A book, Yeah, that I'm excited about. Yeah, A bunch
of travel I'm going to I got to go to
Mexico early in January. Later in January, I'm going to
Dubai early February. A bunch of work trips coming up.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Some speaking, but really more, you know, just just more work.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
I've I've canceled some of my partnerships this year because
I just we kind of found our lane and we
just want to work on our business and not throw
so many balls in the air and really focus on
the things that matter.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
How about you?
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Oh yeah, I have to go to the American Physiotherapist
Association conference in Houston and February, and I think that's
the first place where I'm going to speak where they
don't cover anything, where you got to pay your own way, but.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
It'll be a good experience. It's so weird. I can't
stand that. It's it's like, come on, man, like take
care of your speakers. I'm not saying pay, like just
put your pay for your flight and put you.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Up or now no, nothing, nothing, nothing.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
What are they just like, this is great marketing for you?
Is that what they said? I guess.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
I don't know. There's going to be like ten thousand
physical therapists there, so it's like, yeah, you'll get exposure.
I'm like, okay, whatever, I got roped into it, But.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Well I would just I just make a mental note
like that it pays david ends and you end up
getting some great relationships out of it.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Awesome. But yeah, yeah, I had ten times I do
that stuff. It was normally like a complete waste of time.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Thanks'll be good because it's you, yours will be good
to you.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
But like I stopped, Like I like, well, I speak
for free.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Sure, Like it's got to be a good friends asking
me a favor, like you asked me to get on
a plane tomorrow, Like sure, what do you need me
to do?
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Brother? Like we're family, Like I'll love to help. But
then I'll be out there and I'll enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
But I just a lot of the phone calls that
I received from people wanted me to come out and
dedicate my time, and they're the ones making money.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
On the back end. It's just like you just don't
feel right about it after a while.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah, yeah, and then I'll go to planning to go
to Munich in May so do something nice interesting.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
What are you doing there?
Speaker 1 (46:52):
It's just I have some connection there that owns a
facility in a clinic, and I have a guy that
works with one of the local soccer teams, so I
think they'll be able to get a whole bunch of
people out if I teach, maybe do two weekends bookend it.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
So what what are you back out in New York?
Any idea?
Speaker 1 (47:11):
I want to get out there because I was talking
to a few people. But I'll let you know. But
hopefully I'd like to go when the weather's nicer too,
because the last every time I've been seeing it has
been like November the last couple of years.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
So yeah, let me let me let me know.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Of course I'll be I'll be off the grid for
the next few days, but then we'll we'll jump back
on for the new year, and we'll start doing some
good stuff, right,
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