March 3, 2025 • 38 mins
In Episode 174, we discuss Don’s comprehensive foray into the world of wellness vacations and retreats that are changing the landscape of the vacation industry. Don and Derek discuss the trend towards a more healthy focus on relaxing and rejuvenating getaways.
As we all know, travel and vacations can be a very stressful time for people, with an emphasis on rushing around and being the typical tourist. More recently, there has been a shift to more regenerative and recovery-focused vacation that allow you to relax and recharge your batteries. Don identifies some of the key elements of these types of vacation experiences and what to expect if this is the road you decide to take with your next vacation.
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You can reach both Don and Derek at the following locations:
Don Saladino: http://www.DonSaladino.com
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Derek M. Hansen: http://www.SprintCoach.com
Twitter and Instagram - @DerekMHansen
YouTube - http://youtube.com/derekmhansen
As we all know, travel and vacations can be a very stressful time for people, with an emphasis on rushing around and being the typical tourist. More recently, there has been a shift to more regenerative and recovery-focused vacation that allow you to relax and recharge your batteries. Don identifies some of the key elements of these types of vacation experiences and what to expect if this is the road you decide to take with your next vacation.
The D&D Fitness Radio podcast is available at the following locations for downloadable audio, including:
iTunes – https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/d-d-fitness-radio-podcast/id1331724217
iHeart Radio – https://www.iheart.com/podcast/dd-fitness-radio-28797988/
Spreaker.com – https://www.spreaker.com/show/d-and-d-fitness-radios-show
Spotify – https://open.spotify.com/show/5Py2SSPA4mntNwYRm0Opri
You can reach both Don and Derek at the following locations:
Don Saladino: http://www.DonSaladino.com
Twitter and Instagram - @DonSaladino
YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/donsaladino
Derek M. Hansen: http://www.SprintCoach.com
Twitter and Instagram - @DerekMHansen
YouTube - http://youtube.com/derekmhansen
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome to the D and D Fitness Radio podcast, brought
to you by your hosts Don Saladino from New York
City and Derek Hanson from Vancouver, Canada.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, I was in Mexico for a week at that
Shah Wellness place, which is pretty awesome. These wellness hotels
are opening up now and they're fascinating because dude, vacations
have changed, right, this is no but seriously, like people
now are so health conscious, right, They're not going away
to party and drink. They're going away actually come back
feeling better. So we've all done it, right, We've gone
(00:53):
on vacations and you let your hair out a little
bit and you come back and you feel like you
need a vacation, not really rested and relaxed. But this,
to me was was very cool because we went through
their whole program, like they flew us out there to
go through it and kind of critique it a bit.
And I mean from the moment you got in, there
was an itinerary, which you think, well that's that doesn't
(01:13):
that seems stressful, but they were all like individual treatments,
so like we got in and we went through like
an analysis, like a body skin analysis and blood and
urine testing and like all this stuff. Like I passed
on that because I just did like an extensive panel
before I left. But it was it was cool. I mean,
(01:33):
you know, treatments anything from you know, VR core training
to deep tissue massages, to ozone therapy to cryot therapy,
the hot cold contrast work too, you know, just really
in depth, like very like skin skin treatments. You know.
Just it was very cool. So I went through this
(01:55):
for like for it was like a four day experience.
We'll go there for they go there in four days,
seven day, twenty one day, and twenty eight day. But
that blew me away. The most was the food because
the food was it was created by Michelin star chef.
But like every ingredient has a purpose, so everything like
you eat fully pescatarian, they urge you not to drink caffeine.
(02:19):
My wife had a little bit. I got what is fine,
I mean I kicked it, which I do a couple
of times a year. I was like, all right, went
and roam. But like every single ingredient, like I haven't
gone four days without any any type of meat, chicken
or eggs, and I don't know how long it's probably
been well over a decade, so just to go away
and eat fish and get like an extensive amount of
(02:41):
vegetables and grains, and you know, even though even the
desserts were made from like the highest quality, like there
wasn't any garbage in anything. It's what I believe is
almost like when people throw the term detox around. This
wasn't what this program was. But in a way, I'm like, wow,
you leave there, your sleep quality through the roof, your
(03:01):
stress levels dip.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
You know, you started to tell people to stay away
from their phones or is that just something you voluntarily do?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Well, No, it's it's it's kind of like almost frowned
upon a bit, like people have their phones on the table.
No one's taking calls in public, Like if you're going
to take a call, you're going to go off outside
into the corner. Plus the fact it's on the beach,
it's in Mexico. I was thrown off a little bit
because it said, you know, it was CanCon, so I'm like, oh,
Can'cuon's a party spot. I'm not going to like this.
But it was off the beaten path, it wasn't in
(03:30):
the city. There was no people around it was like
its own you know, it was its own community. It
was a gated community that you went in. They had
their own beach, they had their own you know, beach access.
Everything was right there. And yeah, no one was ever
on phone calls indoors or you know, you'd see people
maybe texting at the table, or people would traveling by
(03:52):
themselves and they would be like sitting there reading the news.
That stuff was cool. But I just think like that
experience now for me, is way different. I'm actually going
through another one next week. I'm flying to Dubai to
kind of go through a very similar program in another facility.
They're called the zeros zabil Zabielle I think it's called.
(04:13):
So I'm leaving Sunday night and I'll go through that
experience for Tuesday Wednesday. I'll really have, you know, three
full days there and then I'll go check into either
another hotel or a friend spot and I've got some
meetings set up and I'll check out the city for
two days and then I'm going to hop on a
(04:34):
plane and fly home Sunday. So that's the.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Plan, man, Now, or all of these places are they domestic?
Like is it a Mexican company that's doing it, or
is it Americans going out there?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
No, no, no, it definitely wasn't a Mexican company. I
actually knew someone started this, like this whole concept twenty
five years ago. But obviously the employees are Mexican, you know,
they're all locals, and but you could tell they've gone
through extensive training and they're really very mindful and thoughtful
about their processes. But I was really I was pleased
(05:08):
with it. I really like Mel and I had a
great time there. We learned a lot. It was a
nice reset for us. I mean, four days, not a
big deal, not a big commitment, but you come back
and I think the return on that is pretty significant.
And yeah, I mean, I couldn't have said a better
thing about But it's cool now to see the importance
(05:30):
being put into these facilities. And that's kind of where
I feel like I'm coming in a little bit in
my profession and now I'm starting to go to a
lot more. I'm being invited to a lot more of
these places. Is that they need to compete now. It's
like years ago when a lot of the hotel, the
hotel and condo complexes, like I remember in two thousand
and one, after nine eleven, the rich Carlton Battery Park
(05:51):
South opened up and they had this They had this
gym in there. Everyone was like, ooh, a gym inside
a condo building. You don't have to go work it
out at an Equinox. Now, this is like, you know,
that's kind of when I started seeing a lot more
of these concepts taken to effect. And that was around
the time when Equinox sold to a private equity firm.
(06:14):
Related didn't buy them yet, right Related bought it from
the private equity firm, and then they used it as
a real estate play, and so in O one, I
started seeing this real estate play with just gyms. Now
twenty four years later, to see how it's evolved and
see how now nutrition and all these other amenities are
(06:35):
tied into the program. I think it's really a nice
selling tool for you know, for these spots people are
going away now, they don't want to go away and
worry about food.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Well, it's interesting, like I know people who bought it.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Robert what you sorry, Robert, what you what'd you weave?
Rob Oh? Okay, sorry, you can't cut that out.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
But I know that people who bought into condo com
complexes in Vancouver. Now they have not just a gym,
but it's almost like a performance setup, so they have
turf open space where they can do running and stuff
like that. So it's it's definitely evolved to a point
where this is what's expected. And I've been to different
hospital complexes in the US where they have the same thing.
(07:20):
It's more of like a performance center associated with their hospital,
their physical therapy, and it's it's almost like, hey, this
is what we do. We do stuff with athletes, but
it also is what we do with general population. So
the bar has been raised for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Definitely has been I think the thing about vacations, it's
always one of my biggest concerns is food. Right, I'll
see it, like my family and I like to go
snowboarding with my wife's skis, but we you know, any
time we're going to Vermont, it's I mean, we love Vermont,
we have great memories there, but the food is not
high quality. Like, yeah, you can get pizzas and you
(07:59):
can get and stuff that I just normally wouldn't need here.
And you go away on these trips and now you
come back and you just you don't feel right, even
though you're exercising, right, even the drive up to these spots,
you're you know, you've got to stop at fast food
places and you're looking for options. And now this place
has a chipolte and you could stop there and get
something at least that's not McDonald's, right. That it really
(08:24):
keeps you when you're when you're on this path and
when you're health conscious and you live this way of life,
it really keeps you from wanting to go to these places,
even though it's a great experience. And now I just
cough it up as it's you know, it's it's a
few days, it's a week. I can deal with it.
That's when I'll factor in, you know. That's why I'm
so you know, diligent, you know, throughout the year. But
(08:45):
now what's happening is these spots are becoming so much
more dell cater so much more right, Like I'm actually
blown away of the quality of food over in Europe.
Like I've been going the last several years. I've been
going Europe a bunch, and I've been snowboarding with some friends.
It's kind of like my guys trip for the year,
(09:06):
and we'll fly over there and the experience is night
and dead, Like I can't even begin to tell you
the difference between going there and going to a mountain
in North America and like you're you're you're close to Whistler.
It's fantastic, right, like one of the better mountains you
know in the area. But the quality of food you
have access to on the mountain and the prices that
(09:30):
you're paying, you feel like you're on another planet like Veil.
And I mean, I want to say Veil's lift tickets
are anywhere between hundred fifty and three hundred dollars a
lift ticket. You go to Saint anton or you go
to Zermatt, or you go to like San Anton's and Austria,
you go to Zermot, which we're going to this year.
In Switzerland, lift tickets are forty five to fifty bucks
(09:51):
compared to fifty dollars. I mean, that's that's Aspen, that's Veil,
that's you know, he's Whistler. Like they're expensive, Like do
you travel now with four kids, I'm sorry three two
kids and two adults, and you're spending one thousand dollars
a day, right, and that's before food, and that's before
(10:11):
rentals if they're not bringing you people are renting a
lot now, so you're going out there spending one thousand
a day on lift tickets, You're then gonna spend you know,
you're gonna eat three meals a day. Maybe your hotel
has one compt included in there. I don't know, but
like even two meals a day for four people, that's
gonna run you, you know, four hundred bucks, right, It's
it gets expensive out in Austria, Switzerland. We were having
(10:35):
white tablecloth service for you know, lunch, and five of
us are sitting down having some great beer, opening a
bottle of wine, having two three courses and you know
our you know, our check is coming to about two
hundred fifty dollars.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Really, so that isn't more expensive.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
It's not more expensive, and it is. I have never
my worst meal on the mountain in one of those
places I mentioned, because I've skied so far in Ishkill
a snowboard in Ishkil Saint Anton, which is like six
it's like a massive region, right, but there's all these
different mountains within. It's huge. You couldn't see the mountain
(11:14):
in you know, two weeks, it's so big. And now
we're going to Zermatt. My worst meal ever in any
of those spots far outweigh the best meal I've ever
had in North America when it comes down to mountains.
I mean, it's not even in comparison. So now, why
aren't people going over there? Is it the flight time?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Is it really not much longer? I don't think so.
Like to fly to Whistler, it's six hours, right, I
mean to fly into Vancouver's that hour flight.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Domestic flight plight prices have gone up too relative to
go flying overseas, so it's it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Crazy and now going over you know, flying overseas, flight
prices aren't bad around the holidays. Honestly, if you want
to fly to Austria or you want to fly to
Colorado on Decevered twenty six, where do you think you're
getting a better flight price on? I'll take Austria like
you are, like, it's it's so, you know, it is
the reason why I ran off on that tangent with
(12:09):
skiing is is it's it's important now that these places
step their game up right. They want to charge the prices.
But you know, I roll in the veil and at
the time I went all these restaurants are closed and
you can't get high quality food and the lines are insane,
and you're on a vacation with your family. I'm going
in at the time. This is you know, three four
years ago. My kids are you know, thirteen years old,
(12:30):
you know, twelve years old, and like, look, sorry, sir,
we can't have a reservation of Oh, next gerstation is
ten o'clock at night. You're like, come on, man, Like seriously,
it's almost annoying, Like do you think I'm gonna do that?
Like you think I'm gonna wait four or five hours?
Like how can you not get a you know, how
can these places not accommodate it right? And then they
want to, you know, put it on COVID and well
it's still we're still struggling to hire people. I don't
(12:51):
have to tell you, but like it's so it's interesting
now for me to travel and to see who is
recognizing that this is the way that it has to be.
You need to start catering to the person who is
prioritizing health and wellness. This isn't about going to a
mountain now having a few beers with some friends. Sure,
that's fun. Yes, we a lot of us like to
do that on occasion. But I'm going away for seven days.
(13:13):
I don't want to do that for seven days. I'll
do that for one day if it's a vacation, have
some fun. Maybe maybe if I feel like it, But
otherwise I wanna, you know, I want to I want
to board, I want to eat great food. I want
to get a good night's sleep. I want to have
access to a you know, a great spa, a great
Oh that's the other thing Austria. Oh my god, the
(13:35):
spas that they had there, unbelievable. Like you're going in
your hotel breakfast and dinners are included, five star dining
at dinner included in the in the room. So you're
eating breakfast and dinner in the hotel every day. And
the food unbelievable. Omelet station, fresh berries, vegetables, shafing dishes
(13:57):
of like high quality new slate oat meal, Like you
can eat anything you want. I mean, it's it's food
for days and dinner. You're going down and having, you know,
a five star meal every single night. So you're going
out and you're paying what for lunch every day and
a couple of drinks. If that's what you even want
to do. But the spas are like next level. Every
(14:19):
day we'd get up the mountain five five whatever it
was four thirty five, Like we would go down to
the Spot every day for an hour. What are we
doing where? You know, guys are sitting in the sauna,
We're sitting in the steam room. You know we're going,
you know, cold plunge. You know, we're going into the
white room and laying there and just kind of breathing
and relaxing a little bit. And you know, you'd even
(14:40):
shower down there. They had incredible products. You shower down there,
you go up to your room in your robe, you
throw your clothes on for dinner. It's literally like we're
leaving the spot. And this was our line every night
leaving the spa. We're all showered and ready. We're like
meeting the restaurant in ten minutes. That's when we were
in our rows. We go out to our room, throw
our clothes on, walk down to the restaurant. Everyone be
ready dinner time. And then by then you're like passed
(15:03):
out because you're just so exhausted from like an active day.
But what a what a what a nice way to live.
So now this is what I'm really seeing. I'm seeing
these spots are opening up, and they're like, No, people
want to optimize. People want they use the word optimize.
It's like, and I say to myself, well, people don't
want to optimize, they just want to they use the
word optimized, because to optimize, you know the amount of
(15:23):
effort that has to go into like optimization. I think
what people want to do is they want to change
their lifestyle, and they want to improve their lifestyle, and
they throw the turnaround, turnaround optimization. But to optimis to optimize.
Most people aren't doing the things that they need to do.
They're just not Like, but now going from a vacation
(15:44):
where ten years ago, maybe they were going to Kanku,
Mexico and drinking ten beers a day and eating shitty
food and partying and hanging out the pool and having
a blast and then you're getting on the plane coming
home and you're just hung over. To now being able
to come to a place like this or a ski
mountain and go through and experience where you know you're
(16:05):
leaving here feeling like you're on a road vacation.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Well, it's very interesting because I and I don't know
if you've noticed this, but and it may just be anecdotal,
but I've had to donate. I haven't had to, sorry,
I've donated to different gofundmes for people who've had health
issues in the last few months, quite honestly, and whether
it's related to cardiorespiratory stroke, cancer, and they're just not
(16:34):
getting the medical care even through their insurance that they
need for extended periods. So now are people starting to
go like, wait a minute. You know, and we see
all this stuff coming out about microplastics and when you
were talking about things like fish and all that as
a part of the diet heavy metals, but also you know,
alcohol they've labeled as a carcinogen. So are people starting
(16:58):
to turn now and go wait a minute. I got
to take care of the prevention side. And you know,
this trend is I don't know, it's a little alarming
to see how many.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
People are Yeah, no, but it's not a trend. I
think this is the way that it's moving. I think
now it's like, you know, alcohol, I think they said
alcohol sales are down right. I don't think people are
drinking the way they used to drink. I'm even noticing
it out of kids now, where in high school we'd
be at parties having some fun. Now I'm noticing a
lot of the kids are, you know, thinking differently, and
they're coming home and they're like, no, I don't feel
(17:28):
like doing it tonight. Or you know, my parents used
to offer me a beer when I growing up, and
you would take advantage of it. Now my kids could
care less. Well, we're not really, We're not a drinking household.
So but I understand as they get older, this is
something that's going to pique their interest. I just think
that we are we are going through life now living
differently and thinking about different things and prioritizing differently. And
(17:50):
I think it really says a lot. I mean, even
going into the fridge, right, the kids open the fridge,
and what do they see in the fridge compared to
maybe when I saw in the fridge when I was
growing up, or in the panch when I was growing up,
the pantry was cookie crisp and Captain crunch and these
foods Like now that was one of my favorites, by
the way, cookie crisps. Now it's my kids are going
(18:10):
into their pantry and there's different foods and there are
things that they've just become so accustomed to that they
like it. Trust me. My son likes is Ramen, and
my daughter likes specific foods like great like knock yourself out.
I think they stopped the Burger King last night. It
was the first time I think they've had fast food.
I don't know how long. But they finished a play
and they were like, we're starving and we're stressed out
(18:31):
because we've been like U in play practice till nine
pm every night. This was the first night and we're
going to Berglan. I'm like, okay, like go ahead, Like
I'm not like, I get it. Like kids are resilient,
like the human body is resilient. Like we subject ourselves
to so much crap, you know, through an entire life.
But when you start living differently, and when you start
(18:52):
waking up Saturday morning and you're you know, feeling refreshed,
where maybe when you were younger, you're waking up Saturday
morning with a little hangover, you want it. That becomes
contagious and that's something you want more and more of.
And I think that's, you know, I think that's the trend.
People now are starting to really value their quality of life.
(19:15):
And how they feel. And in doing that, they're being
more selective on things like alcohol and crappy foods, and
they're being a lot more conscious about those decisions and
how they look like in their appearance as I feel
like it's much more you know, important now, Like there
was an article in the New York Times about you know,
these Wall Street CEOs now are suddenly working out and
(19:36):
it's the cool thing to do now, And I'm like, okay,
like we've been doing this. You and I've been doing
this stuff for thirty years. Like that's fine, we valued
it that long. But now for some reason they feel
like it's important to write that article on there. But
it is those those trends now, it's become a lot different.
Even going to parties, you know where that peer pressure
was years ago, now knowing what was that even mean?
(19:58):
Like if there's peer pressure, duce because I've not been
to a party and seen anyone I've been around pressured
about not drinking, and most people aren't. They don't give
a shit. They have a couple of club soda, you
could tell they got a line and that no one's
asking what are you drinking? Yeah, it's like they don't
that's just not really I'm not seeing that much anymore.
So it's it's very it makes me happy to see
(20:18):
things going in this direction, right, Naturally, I think there's
more options.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Like last week, I don't know if you've been to
one of these, but I was invited to an alcoholics
anonymous meeting because a friend of mine had been sober
for two years and they were celebrating it, and so
I'm like, okay, this is interesting. I've never been to
one of these, and it was a bit shocking to
see how everybody looked really aged. Obviously they're dealing with issues, right,
(20:47):
but just the you know, and I'm sure I wasn't
the youngest person there by far, but everybody looked just
aged and worn and obviously they've been through a lot.
But that was just sort of shocking for me. I'm
just like, well, this is a different it's a different
environment that I'm not around, but certainly it's still out there.
But I think obviously, like you're saying, people are thinking
(21:08):
about the impacts obviously not just on the the addiction side,
but just the general health side.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It was interesting, Yeah, yeah, I mean we're seeing it
now with a lot of the with the with the
lab testing, right like, people are now suddenly, you know,
doing lab testing like I was doing lab testing when
I was sixteen years old. I remember going to doctor
Gary Wadler going through my labs and trying to figure
out what could I do nutritionally or asking him questions
on supplements, and he was always against supplements. He was
(21:38):
kind of like, oh, you don't need it. We don't
need supplements like you just need real like whole foods.
And you know, there was obviously a little bit of
truth to that, a lot of truth to that if
you're if you're having a well rounded diet. But you know,
it's just interesting now how these things are, you know,
finally starting to become talked about. And you know, now
even with the glps right like, it's you know, people are,
(22:01):
you know, investing in these things and they think they're
some of them think that they're doing things for their health.
And I believe that stuff can be beneficial to some,
but I also believe that a lot of people out
there are taking these things that don't need to be
taking it. Right, So what other things do you need
to do when you're getting on these GLP ones right this,
right it's like exercise like one of the biggest things,
(22:21):
Like you need to be strength training three four days
a week. So now you're seeing people who are doing this,
they're being educated the right way in that sense where
they're like, I have to get to the gym. So
I'm starting to see that picking up. Like someone came
to me this morning and they were like, oh, my
doctor put me on Manjarro. It's a sixty five year
old guy. I'm like okay, and he's like, well, what
are some of the things I have to do with that?
(22:42):
And I'm like, well, you need to be in your
exercising right, like you need to be in here lifting weights.
And I was blown away how the doctor didn't really
fill him in on that. They just prescribed this. And
you know, the advice that they gave to my buddy
was just keep training light. What the fuck does that mean?
Keep training light? What does that mean? I don't even
(23:03):
know what that means anymore? Like light, Like, well, go
high reps? What does that mean? Like when I do
high reps, it's heavy, it's like three a set of twenty,
Like it's it's heavy, it ain't light, So like, what
do you mean? So there I think there's a bit
of a disconnect. But slowly but surely, I feel like
things are coming around, and people are coming around, and
they're demanding to have the answers of these questions. And
(23:25):
I think that's going to force a lot of these
contract contractors, these these doctors who you know, might have
gone to medical school twenty thirty, forty years ago that
are complacent now to go out and learn the new
cutting edge trends and be able to have a network
of practitioners around them that they could start referring now to,
which I think is one of the most important things
(23:46):
that a lot of doctors aren't doing. I think when
a doctor turns around and says you need to go
to a physical therapist or you need to find a trainer, like,
they should have at least one referral, like at least
one referral to be like this is someone I recommend
send yet right and kick them off. But you know,
in time.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Now you know more about this than than than me.
But I'd seen something that was a study and they
talked about protein powders and they said you should probably
just stick to like a vanilla way because if you
went to more of a plant based and this is
just general general. In general, there's probably better companies. But
if you went to chocolate and it was plant based,
(24:26):
there's a higher incidence of heavy metals in that selection.
Can you explain why.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, So the plant based proteins they I did read
this years ago that there are higher levels of metal
metals coming from the soil. So I just think that's
natural because a lot of these plant based proteins now,
I mean, one of one of the better sources is
P protein. It's got a higher abundance of amino acids.
And what I think a lot of these companies are
doing with plant protein is that they're infusing the protein
(24:54):
powder with branch in amino acids, which you know, when
you're having plant protein, you know you are you know,
going to be missing you know, some of those amino
acids that the body needs. Right the major b bcas
are loosing isolucine and dalen. So what a lot of
these plant proteins are doing now is they're injecting the
(25:15):
use that we're injecting, but they're infusing the protein powder
with these you know, these bcas. But remember they're coming
from the plants. It's coming from the soil, Like soils
are going to have higher levels of metal, And it's
just what I don't necessarily you know, these articles come
out like they're metals in your protein powder. I'm like,
it's coming from the soil, Like, how are we how
(25:36):
are we farming? Like, how are we? Where are we
sourcing these things from?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Are where are these ingredients coming from?
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Right?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Paul Check used to do a deep dive and all
this stuff with like Monsanto and all those companies. This
is twenty twenty five years ago, and he's like, these
companies are destroying, you know, our environment, and you know
that to me is something I think needs to be
taken seriously. But like, I'm all for it. I'm all
for like a high quality weight protein as long as
you it's something that you can metabolize. But then I'm
talking to my vegetarians who won't have that, And in
(26:06):
that case, what am I telling them to do? I'm
telling them to take plant protein and I'm telling them
to just say, all right, listen, you know, statistically it's
showing that these things have heavier metals in them. What
are the other things that we can do to try
and make up for that? In our life or obviously
finding the highest quality plant protein from a company that's
(26:28):
you know, really you know that has great verifications. Is
it organic? Is it non gmo? Is an NSF certified?
Like are they really conscious about you know, what's going
into those products? Like those are things I always say
to look for. But you know it's you know, when
you're when you're coming in here as a vegan or
(26:48):
a vegetarian, you're already you know, you already have somewhat
of a handicap in my in my book, right because
you have to consume so much carbohydrates and fats to
get the amount of team you need that most of
the time, and you're not getting things in the body
that your body you know needs and to supplement that
(27:08):
in what you gotta do, you got to supplement right.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, no, No, I think you're right, like just
in terms of your personal research on the quality of
the product and making sure you do your due diligence.
But I hate to change lanes on you here, but
you have a new project coming out, and while you're
still going to be doing stuff with this podcast, you
have any we're not giving this up.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, no, we're not giving this up. This is a
D and D for me is a compassion project. You
and I. I think we have always had a great connection.
I got to assume that we're close to two hundred episodes, right,
I mean, what do we have now? Yeah, got about
two hundred episodes. That's five six seven years of history
you and I have. So I need you in my
life and I need to keep doing this right. This
is something that's important. I consider you a great friend.
(27:54):
But I was presented an opportunity from some clients. I've
been working with Joanna and Chip Gains from from the
Fixer Upper TV show and they run Magnolia Network and
incredible people. And Joe reached out to me a while ago,
and I was able to help her out and assemble,
you know, a little bit of a team around her
with Jordan Shallow and you know, we were able to
(28:17):
really kind of help her and get her in great shape.
Started working with her husband, Chip, and they flew out
to New York to have lunch with Mel and I
and they said, we have a production company. We'd love
to produce this podcaster, you know, and I said, Wow,
that's that's great. They're like, you know, you need like
what do you have going on? I'm okay, I've run
something with Derek, but you know, Derek and I are
it's a conversation. It's really relaxed. We don't really have
(28:37):
you know, we're not putting dollars, but be it behind it.
And they're like, well, we have this idea and we
want to run it through our network and we really
like you to be the guy. So you know what
do you said? So I agreed on it. I thought
it was a great opportunity. I love them as human
as people. They're incredible human beings. And they're gonna shoot.
They wanted me to shoot in a studio in New
York City. So it's got to be live. It can't
be virtual. It's got to be something that we do live.
(28:59):
That was kind of part of the deal. And they're
gonna be handling the edits, the marketing.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
And it's video and audio.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Video and audio. You're going to obviously be a guest
of mine. We got to figure out when you're going
to be in New York because I need you to
come on, and I think it's for me. It's less
about following, which I think a lot of these podcasts
have become it's become like a popularity contest. Oh who
can I bring on with a massive following or a
massive reach, So they'll promote and they'll drive traffic to
our page. And it's kind of not really how I operate,
(29:29):
Like I think some of the people I'm inviting on
are going to have massive followings, but more importantly, I
want them to be great people where they have something
to really offer in a conversation, Like so you'll come
on to talk about running mechanics and sprinting and how
you know you're getting some people in their forty to
fifty sixties running again, and how they're not only body
comp is improving, but they're elasticity and their muscles are improving.
(29:52):
Their body feels better. And you know, I'll bringing out
doctor Rebecca Robbins, who's a Harvard sleep expert, right, and
she'll come on and talk. On the other hand, I'm
bringing on Billy Crudup, who's a Hollywood actor, theater actor,
great friend of mine. He doesn't have social media, right,
So it's like, but it's I know, Billy, it's gonna
be a great conversation of health, music, family. You just
have a cool dialogue. So It's just going to be
(30:14):
a fun conversation and I think it's something that people
are going to enjoy. I want them to obviously continue
to listen to us because I think you and I
have some great conversations back and forth. But I think
this is going to be a lot different and it's
gonna be going to a different demographic as well.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
That's great. Yeah, No, I knew you were down in
Waco and you were doing some visits.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
That was cool. That was you. Have you been to Waco?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I have, but just mainly to go to like Baylor University.
I have some connections there.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
So I went to Baylor and I saw their new facility.
I went with Joe and Chip and saw their new
facility for the basketball men and women's basketball. I mean
the facility alone is I mean I got to go
into the Baylor locker room and I was blown away
by the technology, the esthetic, just the experience these athletes
are now going through at these spots. Their practice gym
(31:06):
was like, was an arena. It wasn't even there made it.
Their practice gym was an arena.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
So yeah, sometimes better than pro facilities, right.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
It's it's it's I thought. So it was one of
the nicest facilities I've seen with this new upgrade that
they just did with this new renovation. So I was
blown away by the town. I mean the hospitality. I
worked out at this hardcore gym one morning. It was
a twenty four hour gym where they have to buzz
you in and I went there and I was literally,
(31:35):
you know, I was in heaven. I mean, this was
all like a very almost like a West Side bar
bel field. The place was massive, massive turf, you know,
huge steel logs, like everything like just it was. It
was raw, and there were so many different things. There
were so many different types of you know that those
(31:55):
dumb bells where your hand goes into completely just different
equipment with a different feel, and you know everyone's in
there getting after it. And you know, so for me,
anytime I go to a new city like this, it's
like a field trip. I got to stay in the
nineteen twenty eight hotel, which is owned by Joe and Chip,
and you know, experience that, and you know, just to
be able to go to the Magnolia Network and work
(32:15):
with the team and meet everyone, meet the employees. And
we shot our pilot podcast with Joanna and Chip and
We shot for two hours and forty five minutes. They're
going to cut that down, but we shot a very
long episode. It was it was awesome.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, it's interesting because you know, Waco had had kind
of a bad rap because of an incident like thirty
plus years ago.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
But yeah, but it didn't even really take What I
found out is it didn't take place in Waco. No,
I a few towns over from Waco, but they called
it Waco, so I think, yeah, something with the FBI,
and there was as crazy.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Schip and Joanna have kind of flipped it for you know,
which is ironic.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
But they had kind of food was fantastic. The hospitality
was just as great. They have a beautiful home, they
have a beautiful family. So I've been honored to be
you know, a part of that. You know, Life Fitness
and Hammer Strength is now going to be outfitting their gym.
We're really excited about that. There's just a lot of
cool stuff coming from this. I got the book coming
out at the end of the year. It it's called
(33:15):
Super Strong. Charles Storp is my is my co writer here,
and you know, Ryan Reynolds is going to write the forward.
So we you know, it's gonna be a busier.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Do you have a name for the podcast Stronger Stronger?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Okay, Stronger Stronger Stronger with Don Soule. You know, so
that's it.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
That'll be available pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
The first episodes will air. I think it's probably looking
like April. I think we're we could have rolled out March,
but we wanted to get some more episodes under our bag.
So I think it's going to be maybe March eight fifteenth,
right around that day, mid you know, mid March, So
should be good. Okay, Well, yeah, you've got to let
me know when you're in New York. When do you
think you're coming back out for a course?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Probably in the summer, but yeah, shoot over the summer. Definitely.
Will let her everybody know about getting everybody ready for
the April launch, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
And we'll you know, obviously, when you're out in the summer,
we'll we'll bring you on. I want to talk about
your program, your online program, and we'll promote that. But
that's the whole idea is I'm just looking to bring
on I'm not really looking to bring on fitness people
to kind of talk about their fitness. I want to
bring people on with you know that are that's a
difference maker. And then have add valued ad and that
(34:25):
are good people and you know that aren't you know,
too controversial, Like it's just not It's not a leane
I've always wanted I've ever wanted to be in. It's like,
you know, everyone's you know, out there doing their best,
and you know, I don't need to sit here and
focus on ripping people apart. So I want to bring
people on that. You know, doctor Gabrielle lyon Evy Pompurs
is coming on in two weeks. Uh, you know, doctor
g is flying out. You know, we have Henrik Lunquiz
(34:48):
coming on in March, you know, the ex Ranger Hall
of Famer. You know, Matt Bohmer is going to be
a guest. You know, he'll be coming out in the
end of in March. So you know, we've got some
really Drew Powell, Billy krud Up, you know, justin Tupper,
you know, one of my really good buddies who's been
one of my closest friends and mentors. You know, sold
golf Pass to Golf Channel. His story is fascinating what
(35:10):
he had to go through in business. And people need
to hear that story, and they need to hear how
you know, how he lives now and the things he
thinks about in his life, and that to me is important.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
So it's not just training, it's all aspects of health, nutrition,
some of the medical side, rehab and all that as well.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
It really is the podcast. Stronger just means it's like
my challenges, right, Like I call my challenge, like I
name the challenges, not because it's a challenge against the
next person. I'm challenging you, right, I'm challenging you to
improve yourself. Is there one element? Can we get sleep
a little bit better? Can we get hydration a little
bit better? And better? These are things that are going
(35:49):
to give you massive returns on your investment. So Stronger
for me is just mental, it's physical, it's emotional.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
The anticipate there will be some travel with this where
you go to play and go on interview people or
do you think it's starting in just studio base.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I think we're gonna start at studio base. I mean
I'm not against it. Obviously, if you get someone really
you know, super famous that wants you to come on
and they want you to, you know, get out to
a studio we're going to do that, but I'm trying
to keep it consistent now where you know, we were
doing it in New York City for a reason, right,
and like they originally were talking about doing it in
the barn, and I said, nah, I love it here.
(36:24):
This is my home, and it would be easier for me.
But I don't want any inconvenience someone by having to
drive out or train it out an hour hour fifteen.
If it's in the city, it's easy. They can roll
out of bed, get cleaned up, hop a n uber
be at the studio in minutes. And I want to
keep it convenience. So that's the whole idea. Do I
think I would ever go on the road and do
some episodes on the road, one hundred percent. I think
(36:44):
anything's possible. If it's the right person, it's the right situation,
why not.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, I think you could be like the Anthony Bourdain
of like strength and fitness and a wellness right where
you're going. You're you're taking somebody to Mexico to go
through their wealth.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
It could be fun. It could be fun, and you
almost kind of you almost kind of showcase it, like
that's the podcast where you're almost showcasing that experience. Yeah,
I think that's a good idea. Also, it'll be fun.
But I think we're going to grow into it. I
think we're gonna get some episodes out. The plan is
four episodes a month. We'll get about a year of
episodes out and we're gonna kind of reassess how it's going.
But I think we're we're getting some good support right now.
(37:20):
We get some good brand partners that want to come on.
Thorn's one of them, you know. They want to come on,
and they want to support Timeline with there might appear
there now coming on and they're supporting Quench, you know,
the hydration company that I'm working with now setting up
and meeting with them. So it's it's cool to see
some of the brand partners want to take advantage of this.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
That's great. I'm looking forward to actually seeing where you
take it. And thank you. I think it's exact.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I promise you, promise me that you're coming out though, brother,
all right.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, and even if it's just a hangout, you know,
I don't. I don't need another reason, so no, but.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Come out, come out, come out to hang out, and
come out to teach a course. And come on the
pod cast, you know, but just let me know as
soon as you can do it. We'll just coordinate, make
sure I'm in town, and uh, that's it. We'll come
stay with me.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
All right, good good, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
That was fun.
Welcome to the D and D Fitness Radio podcast, brought
to you by your hosts Don Saladino from New York
City and Derek Hanson from Vancouver, Canada.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, I was in Mexico for a week at that
Shah Wellness place, which is pretty awesome. These wellness hotels
are opening up now and they're fascinating because dude, vacations
have changed, right, this is no but seriously, like people
now are so health conscious, right, They're not going away
to party and drink. They're going away actually come back
feeling better. So we've all done it, right, We've gone
(00:53):
on vacations and you let your hair out a little
bit and you come back and you feel like you
need a vacation, not really rested and relaxed. But this,
to me was was very cool because we went through
their whole program, like they flew us out there to
go through it and kind of critique it a bit.
And I mean from the moment you got in, there
was an itinerary, which you think, well that's that doesn't
(01:13):
that seems stressful, but they were all like individual treatments,
so like we got in and we went through like
an analysis, like a body skin analysis and blood and
urine testing and like all this stuff. Like I passed
on that because I just did like an extensive panel
before I left. But it was it was cool. I mean,
(01:33):
you know, treatments anything from you know, VR core training
to deep tissue massages, to ozone therapy to cryot therapy,
the hot cold contrast work too, you know, just really
in depth, like very like skin skin treatments. You know.
Just it was very cool. So I went through this
(01:55):
for like for it was like a four day experience.
We'll go there for they go there in four days,
seven day, twenty one day, and twenty eight day. But
that blew me away. The most was the food because
the food was it was created by Michelin star chef.
But like every ingredient has a purpose, so everything like
you eat fully pescatarian, they urge you not to drink caffeine.
(02:19):
My wife had a little bit. I got what is fine,
I mean I kicked it, which I do a couple
of times a year. I was like, all right, went
and roam. But like every single ingredient, like I haven't
gone four days without any any type of meat, chicken
or eggs, and I don't know how long it's probably
been well over a decade, so just to go away
and eat fish and get like an extensive amount of
(02:41):
vegetables and grains, and you know, even though even the
desserts were made from like the highest quality, like there
wasn't any garbage in anything. It's what I believe is
almost like when people throw the term detox around. This
wasn't what this program was. But in a way, I'm like, wow,
you leave there, your sleep quality through the roof, your
(03:01):
stress levels dip.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
You know, you started to tell people to stay away
from their phones or is that just something you voluntarily do?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Well, No, it's it's it's kind of like almost frowned
upon a bit, like people have their phones on the table.
No one's taking calls in public, Like if you're going
to take a call, you're going to go off outside
into the corner. Plus the fact it's on the beach,
it's in Mexico. I was thrown off a little bit
because it said, you know, it was CanCon, so I'm like, oh,
Can'cuon's a party spot. I'm not going to like this.
But it was off the beaten path, it wasn't in
(03:30):
the city. There was no people around it was like
its own you know, it was its own community. It
was a gated community that you went in. They had
their own beach, they had their own you know, beach access.
Everything was right there. And yeah, no one was ever
on phone calls indoors or you know, you'd see people
maybe texting at the table, or people would traveling by
(03:52):
themselves and they would be like sitting there reading the news.
That stuff was cool. But I just think like that
experience now for me, is way different. I'm actually going
through another one next week. I'm flying to Dubai to
kind of go through a very similar program in another facility.
They're called the zeros zabil Zabielle I think it's called.
(04:13):
So I'm leaving Sunday night and I'll go through that
experience for Tuesday Wednesday. I'll really have, you know, three
full days there and then I'll go check into either
another hotel or a friend spot and I've got some
meetings set up and I'll check out the city for
two days and then I'm going to hop on a
(04:34):
plane and fly home Sunday. So that's the.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Plan, man, Now, or all of these places are they domestic?
Like is it a Mexican company that's doing it, or
is it Americans going out there?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
No, no, no, it definitely wasn't a Mexican company. I
actually knew someone started this, like this whole concept twenty
five years ago. But obviously the employees are Mexican, you know,
they're all locals, and but you could tell they've gone
through extensive training and they're really very mindful and thoughtful
about their processes. But I was really I was pleased
(05:08):
with it. I really like Mel and I had a
great time there. We learned a lot. It was a
nice reset for us. I mean, four days, not a
big deal, not a big commitment, but you come back
and I think the return on that is pretty significant.
And yeah, I mean, I couldn't have said a better
thing about But it's cool now to see the importance
(05:30):
being put into these facilities. And that's kind of where
I feel like I'm coming in a little bit in
my profession and now I'm starting to go to a
lot more. I'm being invited to a lot more of
these places. Is that they need to compete now. It's
like years ago when a lot of the hotel, the
hotel and condo complexes, like I remember in two thousand
and one, after nine eleven, the rich Carlton Battery Park
(05:51):
South opened up and they had this They had this
gym in there. Everyone was like, ooh, a gym inside
a condo building. You don't have to go work it
out at an Equinox. Now, this is like, you know,
that's kind of when I started seeing a lot more
of these concepts taken to effect. And that was around
the time when Equinox sold to a private equity firm.
(06:14):
Related didn't buy them yet, right Related bought it from
the private equity firm, and then they used it as
a real estate play, and so in O one, I
started seeing this real estate play with just gyms. Now
twenty four years later, to see how it's evolved and
see how now nutrition and all these other amenities are
(06:35):
tied into the program. I think it's really a nice
selling tool for you know, for these spots people are
going away now, they don't want to go away and
worry about food.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Well, it's interesting, like I know people who bought it.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Robert what you sorry, Robert, what you what'd you weave?
Rob Oh? Okay, sorry, you can't cut that out.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
But I know that people who bought into condo com
complexes in Vancouver. Now they have not just a gym,
but it's almost like a performance setup, so they have
turf open space where they can do running and stuff
like that. So it's it's definitely evolved to a point
where this is what's expected. And I've been to different
hospital complexes in the US where they have the same thing.
(07:20):
It's more of like a performance center associated with their hospital,
their physical therapy, and it's it's almost like, hey, this
is what we do. We do stuff with athletes, but
it also is what we do with general population. So
the bar has been raised for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Definitely has been I think the thing about vacations, it's
always one of my biggest concerns is food. Right, I'll
see it, like my family and I like to go
snowboarding with my wife's skis, but we you know, any
time we're going to Vermont, it's I mean, we love Vermont,
we have great memories there, but the food is not
high quality. Like, yeah, you can get pizzas and you
(07:59):
can get and stuff that I just normally wouldn't need here.
And you go away on these trips and now you
come back and you just you don't feel right, even
though you're exercising, right, even the drive up to these spots,
you're you know, you've got to stop at fast food
places and you're looking for options. And now this place
has a chipolte and you could stop there and get
something at least that's not McDonald's, right. That it really
(08:24):
keeps you when you're when you're on this path and
when you're health conscious and you live this way of life,
it really keeps you from wanting to go to these places,
even though it's a great experience. And now I just
cough it up as it's you know, it's it's a
few days, it's a week. I can deal with it.
That's when I'll factor in, you know. That's why I'm
so you know, diligent, you know, throughout the year. But
(08:45):
now what's happening is these spots are becoming so much
more dell cater so much more right, Like I'm actually
blown away of the quality of food over in Europe.
Like I've been going the last several years. I've been
going Europe a bunch, and I've been snowboarding with some friends.
It's kind of like my guys trip for the year,
(09:06):
and we'll fly over there and the experience is night
and dead, Like I can't even begin to tell you
the difference between going there and going to a mountain
in North America and like you're you're you're close to Whistler.
It's fantastic, right, like one of the better mountains you
know in the area. But the quality of food you
have access to on the mountain and the prices that
(09:30):
you're paying, you feel like you're on another planet like Veil.
And I mean, I want to say Veil's lift tickets
are anywhere between hundred fifty and three hundred dollars a
lift ticket. You go to Saint anton or you go
to Zermatt, or you go to like San Anton's and Austria,
you go to Zermot, which we're going to this year.
In Switzerland, lift tickets are forty five to fifty bucks
(09:51):
compared to fifty dollars. I mean, that's that's Aspen, that's Veil,
that's you know, he's Whistler. Like they're expensive, Like do
you travel now with four kids, I'm sorry three two
kids and two adults, and you're spending one thousand dollars
a day, right, and that's before food, and that's before
(10:11):
rentals if they're not bringing you people are renting a
lot now, so you're going out there spending one thousand
a day on lift tickets, You're then gonna spend you know,
you're gonna eat three meals a day. Maybe your hotel
has one compt included in there. I don't know, but
like even two meals a day for four people, that's
gonna run you, you know, four hundred bucks, right, It's
it gets expensive out in Austria, Switzerland. We were having
(10:35):
white tablecloth service for you know, lunch, and five of
us are sitting down having some great beer, opening a
bottle of wine, having two three courses and you know
our you know, our check is coming to about two
hundred fifty dollars.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Really, so that isn't more expensive.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
It's not more expensive, and it is. I have never
my worst meal on the mountain in one of those
places I mentioned, because I've skied so far in Ishkill
a snowboard in Ishkil Saint Anton, which is like six
it's like a massive region, right, but there's all these
different mountains within. It's huge. You couldn't see the mountain
(11:14):
in you know, two weeks, it's so big. And now
we're going to Zermatt. My worst meal ever in any
of those spots far outweigh the best meal I've ever
had in North America when it comes down to mountains.
I mean, it's not even in comparison. So now, why
aren't people going over there? Is it the flight time?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Is it really not much longer? I don't think so.
Like to fly to Whistler, it's six hours, right, I
mean to fly into Vancouver's that hour flight.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Domestic flight plight prices have gone up too relative to
go flying overseas, so it's it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Crazy and now going over you know, flying overseas, flight
prices aren't bad around the holidays. Honestly, if you want
to fly to Austria or you want to fly to
Colorado on Decevered twenty six, where do you think you're
getting a better flight price on? I'll take Austria like
you are, like, it's it's so, you know, it is
the reason why I ran off on that tangent with
(12:09):
skiing is is it's it's important now that these places
step their game up right. They want to charge the prices.
But you know, I roll in the veil and at
the time I went all these restaurants are closed and
you can't get high quality food and the lines are insane,
and you're on a vacation with your family. I'm going
in at the time. This is you know, three four
years ago. My kids are you know, thirteen years old,
(12:30):
you know, twelve years old, and like, look, sorry, sir,
we can't have a reservation of Oh, next gerstation is
ten o'clock at night. You're like, come on, man, Like seriously,
it's almost annoying, Like do you think I'm gonna do that?
Like you think I'm gonna wait four or five hours?
Like how can you not get a you know, how
can these places not accommodate it right? And then they
want to, you know, put it on COVID and well
it's still we're still struggling to hire people. I don't
(12:51):
have to tell you, but like it's so it's interesting
now for me to travel and to see who is
recognizing that this is the way that it has to be.
You need to start catering to the person who is
prioritizing health and wellness. This isn't about going to a
mountain now having a few beers with some friends. Sure,
that's fun. Yes, we a lot of us like to
do that on occasion. But I'm going away for seven days.
(13:13):
I don't want to do that for seven days. I'll
do that for one day if it's a vacation, have
some fun. Maybe maybe if I feel like it, But
otherwise I wanna, you know, I want to I want
to board, I want to eat great food. I want
to get a good night's sleep. I want to have
access to a you know, a great spa, a great
Oh that's the other thing Austria. Oh my god, the
(13:35):
spas that they had there, unbelievable. Like you're going in
your hotel breakfast and dinners are included, five star dining
at dinner included in the in the room. So you're
eating breakfast and dinner in the hotel every day. And
the food unbelievable. Omelet station, fresh berries, vegetables, shafing dishes
(13:57):
of like high quality new slate oat meal, Like you
can eat anything you want. I mean, it's it's food
for days and dinner. You're going down and having, you know,
a five star meal every single night. So you're going
out and you're paying what for lunch every day and
a couple of drinks. If that's what you even want
to do. But the spas are like next level. Every
(14:19):
day we'd get up the mountain five five whatever it
was four thirty five, Like we would go down to
the Spot every day for an hour. What are we
doing where? You know, guys are sitting in the sauna,
We're sitting in the steam room. You know we're going,
you know, cold plunge. You know, we're going into the
white room and laying there and just kind of breathing
and relaxing a little bit. And you know, you'd even
(14:40):
shower down there. They had incredible products. You shower down there,
you go up to your room in your robe, you
throw your clothes on for dinner. It's literally like we're
leaving the spot. And this was our line every night
leaving the spa. We're all showered and ready. We're like
meeting the restaurant in ten minutes. That's when we were
in our rows. We go out to our room, throw
our clothes on, walk down to the restaurant. Everyone be
ready dinner time. And then by then you're like passed
(15:03):
out because you're just so exhausted from like an active day.
But what a what a what a nice way to live.
So now this is what I'm really seeing. I'm seeing
these spots are opening up, and they're like, No, people
want to optimize. People want they use the word optimize.
It's like, and I say to myself, well, people don't
want to optimize, they just want to they use the
word optimized, because to optimize, you know the amount of
(15:23):
effort that has to go into like optimization. I think
what people want to do is they want to change
their lifestyle, and they want to improve their lifestyle, and
they throw the turnaround, turnaround optimization. But to optimis to optimize.
Most people aren't doing the things that they need to do.
They're just not Like, but now going from a vacation
(15:44):
where ten years ago, maybe they were going to Kanku,
Mexico and drinking ten beers a day and eating shitty
food and partying and hanging out the pool and having
a blast and then you're getting on the plane coming
home and you're just hung over. To now being able
to come to a place like this or a ski
mountain and go through and experience where you know you're
(16:05):
leaving here feeling like you're on a road vacation.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Well, it's very interesting because I and I don't know
if you've noticed this, but and it may just be anecdotal,
but I've had to donate. I haven't had to, sorry,
I've donated to different gofundmes for people who've had health
issues in the last few months, quite honestly, and whether
it's related to cardiorespiratory stroke, cancer, and they're just not
(16:34):
getting the medical care even through their insurance that they
need for extended periods. So now are people starting to
go like, wait a minute. You know, and we see
all this stuff coming out about microplastics and when you
were talking about things like fish and all that as
a part of the diet heavy metals, but also you know,
alcohol they've labeled as a carcinogen. So are people starting
(16:58):
to turn now and go wait a minute. I got
to take care of the prevention side. And you know,
this trend is I don't know, it's a little alarming
to see how many.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
People are Yeah, no, but it's not a trend. I
think this is the way that it's moving. I think
now it's like, you know, alcohol, I think they said
alcohol sales are down right. I don't think people are
drinking the way they used to drink. I'm even noticing
it out of kids now, where in high school we'd
be at parties having some fun. Now I'm noticing a
lot of the kids are, you know, thinking differently, and
they're coming home and they're like, no, I don't feel
(17:28):
like doing it tonight. Or you know, my parents used
to offer me a beer when I growing up, and
you would take advantage of it. Now my kids could
care less. Well, we're not really, We're not a drinking household.
So but I understand as they get older, this is
something that's going to pique their interest. I just think
that we are we are going through life now living
differently and thinking about different things and prioritizing differently. And
(17:50):
I think it really says a lot. I mean, even
going into the fridge, right, the kids open the fridge,
and what do they see in the fridge compared to
maybe when I saw in the fridge when I was
growing up, or in the panch when I was growing up,
the pantry was cookie crisp and Captain crunch and these
foods Like now that was one of my favorites, by
the way, cookie crisps. Now it's my kids are going
(18:10):
into their pantry and there's different foods and there are
things that they've just become so accustomed to that they
like it. Trust me. My son likes is Ramen, and
my daughter likes specific foods like great like knock yourself out.
I think they stopped the Burger King last night. It
was the first time I think they've had fast food.
I don't know how long. But they finished a play
and they were like, we're starving and we're stressed out
(18:31):
because we've been like U in play practice till nine
pm every night. This was the first night and we're
going to Berglan. I'm like, okay, like go ahead, Like
I'm not like, I get it. Like kids are resilient,
like the human body is resilient. Like we subject ourselves
to so much crap, you know, through an entire life.
But when you start living differently, and when you start
(18:52):
waking up Saturday morning and you're you know, feeling refreshed,
where maybe when you were younger, you're waking up Saturday
morning with a little hangover, you want it. That becomes
contagious and that's something you want more and more of.
And I think that's, you know, I think that's the trend.
People now are starting to really value their quality of life.
(19:15):
And how they feel. And in doing that, they're being
more selective on things like alcohol and crappy foods, and
they're being a lot more conscious about those decisions and
how they look like in their appearance as I feel
like it's much more you know, important now, Like there
was an article in the New York Times about you know,
these Wall Street CEOs now are suddenly working out and
(19:36):
it's the cool thing to do now, And I'm like, okay,
like we've been doing this. You and I've been doing
this stuff for thirty years. Like that's fine, we valued
it that long. But now for some reason they feel
like it's important to write that article on there. But
it is those those trends now, it's become a lot different.
Even going to parties, you know where that peer pressure
was years ago, now knowing what was that even mean?
(19:58):
Like if there's peer pressure, duce because I've not been
to a party and seen anyone I've been around pressured
about not drinking, and most people aren't. They don't give
a shit. They have a couple of club soda, you
could tell they got a line and that no one's
asking what are you drinking? Yeah, it's like they don't
that's just not really I'm not seeing that much anymore.
So it's it's very it makes me happy to see
(20:18):
things going in this direction, right, Naturally, I think there's
more options.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Like last week, I don't know if you've been to
one of these, but I was invited to an alcoholics
anonymous meeting because a friend of mine had been sober
for two years and they were celebrating it, and so
I'm like, okay, this is interesting. I've never been to
one of these, and it was a bit shocking to
see how everybody looked really aged. Obviously they're dealing with issues, right,
(20:47):
but just the you know, and I'm sure I wasn't
the youngest person there by far, but everybody looked just
aged and worn and obviously they've been through a lot.
But that was just sort of shocking for me. I'm
just like, well, this is a different it's a different
environment that I'm not around, but certainly it's still out there.
But I think obviously, like you're saying, people are thinking
(21:08):
about the impacts obviously not just on the the addiction side,
but just the general health side.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It was interesting, Yeah, yeah, I mean we're seeing it
now with a lot of the with the with the
lab testing, right like, people are now suddenly, you know,
doing lab testing like I was doing lab testing when
I was sixteen years old. I remember going to doctor
Gary Wadler going through my labs and trying to figure
out what could I do nutritionally or asking him questions
on supplements, and he was always against supplements. He was
(21:38):
kind of like, oh, you don't need it. We don't
need supplements like you just need real like whole foods.
And you know, there was obviously a little bit of
truth to that, a lot of truth to that if
you're if you're having a well rounded diet. But you know,
it's just interesting now how these things are, you know,
finally starting to become talked about. And you know, now
even with the glps right like, it's you know, people are,
(22:01):
you know, investing in these things and they think they're
some of them think that they're doing things for their health.
And I believe that stuff can be beneficial to some,
but I also believe that a lot of people out
there are taking these things that don't need to be
taking it. Right, So what other things do you need
to do when you're getting on these GLP ones right this,
right it's like exercise like one of the biggest things,
(22:21):
Like you need to be strength training three four days
a week. So now you're seeing people who are doing this,
they're being educated the right way in that sense where
they're like, I have to get to the gym. So
I'm starting to see that picking up. Like someone came
to me this morning and they were like, oh, my
doctor put me on Manjarro. It's a sixty five year
old guy. I'm like okay, and he's like, well, what
are some of the things I have to do with that?
(22:42):
And I'm like, well, you need to be in your
exercising right, like you need to be in here lifting weights.
And I was blown away how the doctor didn't really
fill him in on that. They just prescribed this. And
you know, the advice that they gave to my buddy
was just keep training light. What the fuck does that mean?
Keep training light? What does that mean? I don't even
(23:03):
know what that means anymore? Like light, Like, well, go
high reps? What does that mean? Like when I do
high reps, it's heavy, it's like three a set of twenty,
Like it's it's heavy, it ain't light, So like, what
do you mean? So there I think there's a bit
of a disconnect. But slowly but surely, I feel like
things are coming around, and people are coming around, and
they're demanding to have the answers of these questions. And
(23:25):
I think that's going to force a lot of these
contract contractors, these these doctors who you know, might have
gone to medical school twenty thirty, forty years ago that
are complacent now to go out and learn the new
cutting edge trends and be able to have a network
of practitioners around them that they could start referring now to,
which I think is one of the most important things
(23:46):
that a lot of doctors aren't doing. I think when
a doctor turns around and says you need to go
to a physical therapist or you need to find a trainer, like,
they should have at least one referral, like at least
one referral to be like this is someone I recommend
send yet right and kick them off. But you know,
in time.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Now you know more about this than than than me.
But I'd seen something that was a study and they
talked about protein powders and they said you should probably
just stick to like a vanilla way because if you
went to more of a plant based and this is
just general general. In general, there's probably better companies. But
if you went to chocolate and it was plant based,
(24:26):
there's a higher incidence of heavy metals in that selection.
Can you explain why.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, So the plant based proteins they I did read
this years ago that there are higher levels of metal
metals coming from the soil. So I just think that's
natural because a lot of these plant based proteins now,
I mean, one of one of the better sources is
P protein. It's got a higher abundance of amino acids.
And what I think a lot of these companies are
doing with plant protein is that they're infusing the protein
(24:54):
powder with branch in amino acids, which you know, when
you're having plant protein, you know you are you know,
going to be missing you know, some of those amino
acids that the body needs. Right the major b bcas
are loosing isolucine and dalen. So what a lot of
these plant proteins are doing now is they're injecting the
(25:15):
use that we're injecting, but they're infusing the protein powder
with these you know, these bcas. But remember they're coming
from the plants. It's coming from the soil, Like soils
are going to have higher levels of metal, And it's
just what I don't necessarily you know, these articles come
out like they're metals in your protein powder. I'm like,
it's coming from the soil, Like, how are we how
(25:36):
are we farming? Like, how are we? Where are we
sourcing these things from?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Are where are these ingredients coming from?
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Right?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Paul Check used to do a deep dive and all
this stuff with like Monsanto and all those companies. This
is twenty twenty five years ago, and he's like, these
companies are destroying, you know, our environment, and you know
that to me is something I think needs to be
taken seriously. But like, I'm all for it. I'm all
for like a high quality weight protein as long as
you it's something that you can metabolize. But then I'm
talking to my vegetarians who won't have that, And in
(26:06):
that case, what am I telling them to do? I'm
telling them to take plant protein and I'm telling them
to just say, all right, listen, you know, statistically it's
showing that these things have heavier metals in them. What
are the other things that we can do to try
and make up for that? In our life or obviously
finding the highest quality plant protein from a company that's
(26:28):
you know, really you know that has great verifications. Is
it organic? Is it non gmo? Is an NSF certified?
Like are they really conscious about you know, what's going
into those products? Like those are things I always say
to look for. But you know it's you know, when
you're when you're coming in here as a vegan or
(26:48):
a vegetarian, you're already you know, you already have somewhat
of a handicap in my in my book, right because
you have to consume so much carbohydrates and fats to
get the amount of team you need that most of
the time, and you're not getting things in the body
that your body you know needs and to supplement that
(27:08):
in what you gotta do, you got to supplement right.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, no, No, I think you're right, like just
in terms of your personal research on the quality of
the product and making sure you do your due diligence.
But I hate to change lanes on you here, but
you have a new project coming out, and while you're
still going to be doing stuff with this podcast, you
have any we're not giving this up.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, no, we're not giving this up. This is a
D and D for me is a compassion project. You
and I. I think we have always had a great connection.
I got to assume that we're close to two hundred episodes, right,
I mean, what do we have now? Yeah, got about
two hundred episodes. That's five six seven years of history
you and I have. So I need you in my
life and I need to keep doing this right. This
is something that's important. I consider you a great friend.
(27:54):
But I was presented an opportunity from some clients. I've
been working with Joanna and Chip Gains from from the
Fixer Upper TV show and they run Magnolia Network and
incredible people. And Joe reached out to me a while ago,
and I was able to help her out and assemble,
you know, a little bit of a team around her
with Jordan Shallow and you know, we were able to
(28:17):
really kind of help her and get her in great shape.
Started working with her husband, Chip, and they flew out
to New York to have lunch with Mel and I
and they said, we have a production company. We'd love
to produce this podcaster, you know, and I said, Wow,
that's that's great. They're like, you know, you need like
what do you have going on? I'm okay, I've run
something with Derek, but you know, Derek and I are
it's a conversation. It's really relaxed. We don't really have
(28:37):
you know, we're not putting dollars, but be it behind it.
And they're like, well, we have this idea and we
want to run it through our network and we really
like you to be the guy. So you know what
do you said? So I agreed on it. I thought
it was a great opportunity. I love them as human
as people. They're incredible human beings. And they're gonna shoot.
They wanted me to shoot in a studio in New
York City. So it's got to be live. It can't
be virtual. It's got to be something that we do live.
(28:59):
That was kind of part of the deal. And they're
gonna be handling the edits, the marketing.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
And it's video and audio.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Video and audio. You're going to obviously be a guest
of mine. We got to figure out when you're going
to be in New York because I need you to
come on, and I think it's for me. It's less
about following, which I think a lot of these podcasts
have become it's become like a popularity contest. Oh who
can I bring on with a massive following or a
massive reach, So they'll promote and they'll drive traffic to
our page. And it's kind of not really how I operate,
(29:29):
Like I think some of the people I'm inviting on
are going to have massive followings, but more importantly, I
want them to be great people where they have something
to really offer in a conversation, Like so you'll come
on to talk about running mechanics and sprinting and how
you know you're getting some people in their forty to
fifty sixties running again, and how they're not only body
comp is improving, but they're elasticity and their muscles are improving.
(29:52):
Their body feels better. And you know, I'll bringing out
doctor Rebecca Robbins, who's a Harvard sleep expert, right, and
she'll come on and talk. On the other hand, I'm
bringing on Billy Crudup, who's a Hollywood actor, theater actor,
great friend of mine. He doesn't have social media, right,
So it's like, but it's I know, Billy, it's gonna
be a great conversation of health, music, family. You just
have a cool dialogue. So It's just going to be
(30:14):
a fun conversation and I think it's something that people
are going to enjoy. I want them to obviously continue
to listen to us because I think you and I
have some great conversations back and forth. But I think
this is going to be a lot different and it's
gonna be going to a different demographic as well.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
That's great. Yeah, No, I knew you were down in
Waco and you were doing some visits.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
That was cool. That was you. Have you been to Waco?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I have, but just mainly to go to like Baylor University.
I have some connections there.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
So I went to Baylor and I saw their new facility.
I went with Joe and Chip and saw their new
facility for the basketball men and women's basketball. I mean
the facility alone is I mean I got to go
into the Baylor locker room and I was blown away
by the technology, the esthetic, just the experience these athletes
are now going through at these spots. Their practice gym
(31:06):
was like, was an arena. It wasn't even there made it.
Their practice gym was an arena.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
So yeah, sometimes better than pro facilities, right.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
It's it's it's I thought. So it was one of
the nicest facilities I've seen with this new upgrade that
they just did with this new renovation. So I was
blown away by the town. I mean the hospitality. I
worked out at this hardcore gym one morning. It was
a twenty four hour gym where they have to buzz
you in and I went there and I was literally,
(31:35):
you know, I was in heaven. I mean, this was
all like a very almost like a West Side bar
bel field. The place was massive, massive turf, you know,
huge steel logs, like everything like just it was. It
was raw, and there were so many different things. There
were so many different types of you know that those
(31:55):
dumb bells where your hand goes into completely just different
equipment with a different feel, and you know everyone's in
there getting after it. And you know, so for me,
anytime I go to a new city like this, it's
like a field trip. I got to stay in the
nineteen twenty eight hotel, which is owned by Joe and Chip,
and you know, experience that, and you know, just to
be able to go to the Magnolia Network and work
(32:15):
with the team and meet everyone, meet the employees. And
we shot our pilot podcast with Joanna and Chip and
We shot for two hours and forty five minutes. They're
going to cut that down, but we shot a very
long episode. It was it was awesome.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, it's interesting because you know, Waco had had kind
of a bad rap because of an incident like thirty
plus years ago.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
But yeah, but it didn't even really take What I
found out is it didn't take place in Waco. No,
I a few towns over from Waco, but they called
it Waco, so I think, yeah, something with the FBI,
and there was as crazy.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Schip and Joanna have kind of flipped it for you know,
which is ironic.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
But they had kind of food was fantastic. The hospitality
was just as great. They have a beautiful home, they
have a beautiful family. So I've been honored to be
you know, a part of that. You know, Life Fitness
and Hammer Strength is now going to be outfitting their gym.
We're really excited about that. There's just a lot of
cool stuff coming from this. I got the book coming
out at the end of the year. It it's called
(33:15):
Super Strong. Charles Storp is my is my co writer here,
and you know, Ryan Reynolds is going to write the forward.
So we you know, it's gonna be a busier.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Do you have a name for the podcast Stronger Stronger?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Okay, Stronger Stronger Stronger with Don Soule. You know, so
that's it.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
That'll be available pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
The first episodes will air. I think it's probably looking
like April. I think we're we could have rolled out March,
but we wanted to get some more episodes under our bag.
So I think it's going to be maybe March eight fifteenth,
right around that day, mid you know, mid March, So
should be good. Okay, Well, yeah, you've got to let
me know when you're in New York. When do you
think you're coming back out for a course?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Probably in the summer, but yeah, shoot over the summer. Definitely.
Will let her everybody know about getting everybody ready for
the April launch, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
And we'll you know, obviously, when you're out in the summer,
we'll we'll bring you on. I want to talk about
your program, your online program, and we'll promote that. But
that's the whole idea is I'm just looking to bring
on I'm not really looking to bring on fitness people
to kind of talk about their fitness. I want to
bring people on with you know that are that's a
difference maker. And then have add valued ad and that
(34:25):
are good people and you know that aren't you know,
too controversial, Like it's just not It's not a leane
I've always wanted I've ever wanted to be in. It's like,
you know, everyone's you know, out there doing their best,
and you know, I don't need to sit here and
focus on ripping people apart. So I want to bring
people on that. You know, doctor Gabrielle lyon Evy Pompurs
is coming on in two weeks. Uh, you know, doctor
g is flying out. You know, we have Henrik Lunquiz
(34:48):
coming on in March, you know, the ex Ranger Hall
of Famer. You know, Matt Bohmer is going to be
a guest. You know, he'll be coming out in the
end of in March. So you know, we've got some
really Drew Powell, Billy krud Up, you know, justin Tupper,
you know, one of my really good buddies who's been
one of my closest friends and mentors. You know, sold
golf Pass to Golf Channel. His story is fascinating what
(35:10):
he had to go through in business. And people need
to hear that story, and they need to hear how
you know, how he lives now and the things he
thinks about in his life, and that to me is important.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
So it's not just training, it's all aspects of health, nutrition,
some of the medical side, rehab and all that as well.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
It really is the podcast. Stronger just means it's like
my challenges, right, Like I call my challenge, like I
name the challenges, not because it's a challenge against the
next person. I'm challenging you, right, I'm challenging you to
improve yourself. Is there one element? Can we get sleep
a little bit better? Can we get hydration a little
bit better? And better? These are things that are going
(35:49):
to give you massive returns on your investment. So Stronger
for me is just mental, it's physical, it's emotional.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
The anticipate there will be some travel with this where
you go to play and go on interview people or
do you think it's starting in just studio base.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I think we're gonna start at studio base. I mean
I'm not against it. Obviously, if you get someone really
you know, super famous that wants you to come on
and they want you to, you know, get out to
a studio we're going to do that, but I'm trying
to keep it consistent now where you know, we were
doing it in New York City for a reason, right,
and like they originally were talking about doing it in
the barn, and I said, nah, I love it here.
(36:24):
This is my home, and it would be easier for me.
But I don't want any inconvenience someone by having to
drive out or train it out an hour hour fifteen.
If it's in the city, it's easy. They can roll
out of bed, get cleaned up, hop a n uber
be at the studio in minutes. And I want to
keep it convenience. So that's the whole idea. Do I
think I would ever go on the road and do
some episodes on the road, one hundred percent. I think
(36:44):
anything's possible. If it's the right person, it's the right situation,
why not.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, I think you could be like the Anthony Bourdain
of like strength and fitness and a wellness right where
you're going. You're you're taking somebody to Mexico to go
through their wealth.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
It could be fun. It could be fun, and you
almost kind of you almost kind of showcase it, like
that's the podcast where you're almost showcasing that experience. Yeah,
I think that's a good idea. Also, it'll be fun.
But I think we're going to grow into it. I
think we're gonna get some episodes out. The plan is
four episodes a month. We'll get about a year of
episodes out and we're gonna kind of reassess how it's going.
But I think we're we're getting some good support right now.
(37:20):
We get some good brand partners that want to come on.
Thorn's one of them, you know. They want to come on,
and they want to support Timeline with there might appear
there now coming on and they're supporting Quench, you know,
the hydration company that I'm working with now setting up
and meeting with them. So it's it's cool to see
some of the brand partners want to take advantage of this.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
That's great. I'm looking forward to actually seeing where you
take it. And thank you. I think it's exact.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I promise you, promise me that you're coming out though, brother,
all right.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, and even if it's just a hangout, you know,
I don't. I don't need another reason, so no, but.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Come out, come out, come out to hang out, and
come out to teach a course. And come on the
pod cast, you know, but just let me know as
soon as you can do it. We'll just coordinate, make
sure I'm in town, and uh, that's it. We'll come
stay with me.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
All right, good good, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
That was fun.
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