Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory

The Oldest "Rivalry" in the NFL renewed today with the Bears finding a way to keep their high draft pick in tact and once again losing to Aaron Rodgers and the Packers 28-19
Are there silver linings?
What's up with Carlos Santos?
Ref Ball again.
Hop on in to Da Tailgate show and lets talk about it.

Episode Transcript

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the Bears fans? Welcome to anotherepisode of The Tailgate Show, coming off
of twenty eight nineteen loss the Packers. It's gonna be a probably a little
raw, more raw reaction than youthan we normally bring. Because it's it

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is game day. I kind ofwanted to I kind of push the go
today because it's the same days ofthe game and we can get on with
our by weakest fans too. It'sbeen a brutal season as far as watching
all these el's, so like it'sgonna be kind of refreshing to get the
time off ourselves. But here weare, guys, how there It is

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just a quick take on how youguys are, how you guys are coping
right now. Well, I didn'texpect us to win and pick us to
win, and we subsequently went outand did not win. Uh. I
hate losing the fucking Packers. Thisis probably the most beautiful Packer team we've

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had in our house for twenty years. Ye and we just shipped to bed
And I can't really expect that thisdefense or the offense really for that matter,
would I would have expected more fromthe offense, but I didn't expect
the defense to play as well asit did. But there we are,

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holding on with that draft status conflictedfor me, like obviously, like Jared
said, most beatibul Packers team inthe last twenty years. About first second
quarter, I'm thinking, man,it would be really nice to win this
one if it is Aaron Rodgers lastgame at Soldier Field, which I doubt
it is, but you know,I think at this point it's probably best

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case scenario. You saw a littlebit of progress from Justin Fields and we
get to keep our as of rightnow, second overall draft pick. So
good and bad. Bitter sweet,I guess is the best word for it.
Yeah. I think that's a goodsummer. I kind of felt going
into this game. It didn't feellike a normal Packers Bears game where I'm

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all jacked up. I kind ofknew what the outcome was going to be.
I think I gotta give the teamcredit for putting me, as a
fan in the position of the gamemattering, right, it started mattering the
way our team was playing because itlooked good and it's against the Packers.
Like he got more into it asa game went on, and I think
absolutely, I think we didn't expectthat. So like it's like a glass

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half fowl or whatever you want tocall it. But like making this game,
making this game as interesting as theydid, I it made me enjoy
the game, and I didn't thinkI was going to go into this game
and enjoy anything about it. Solike considering with how how we watched some
young cornerbacks today and young defensive backsstep the fuck up. Yes, they

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let them play, I think therewas a lot of I think we can't
really bitch bitch about rests much becausefor the first time we actually saw rest
let us getting like get away withshit, and but at the same time,
like these young guys fucking step rightthe fuck up. I think the
defense played way better than I expected. Um, even with Justin Man,
like I baged up the defense thatup to think the thing with Justin is

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I'm I wanted to happen fast becausewe waited so long for it when we
know this kid can do it right. So, like it's impatience on my
part, and I'm the first toadmit it. I expected him to be
a lot further along in his withhis passing, but a lot comes into
play with that, And unlike thewhole Mitch drobisky bullshit on Twitter, I'm
not getting I'm not getting into thisshit on Twitter, Like I can't stand

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the fact that like it's becoming tothe point with with these I'll throw shit
later. But like with the fans, it's like it's like politics and sports,
and I hate that shit, Likethere has to be a writer or
left that can't be a center andit's so far right and so far left
on the job. Right. Heshowed progression today, very it's it's it's
moving slower than I thought, Butthere was progress here today. There was

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pocket presents, all right, disciplinenot to run. Look, you need
to you need to have the repsto get better. And I think they
they they formed the game plan thatallowed him to get those reps. I
think I think that he showed progress. This is one of his more balanced
games as a pro, he showedthe speed he a big part of today's

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before arms from Justin is unlike whenwe've seen QB's get hurt in the past.
I don't want to talk about thedude's name too much because I'm tired
of talking about him too. Hedidn't show anything. He didn't show a
lot of like cautiousness. He stillshowed. He still showed that even though
he's injured, he's not going toget cautious. He's still got that killer
instinct. That's huge, And Ithink I think overall, I mean the

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two picks EQ got got pretty softin position on one of them, and
I think I think the anticipation therewasn't much of it was it was late,
absolutely because he did enough to getjumped off. Yeah, he pumped,
and then he's like he knew.I think he knew he shouldn't have
thrown it. I think he didtoo. That one's awesome down nine with

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forty seconds leapt I'm not too muchworried about that. When the first one,
I do thinks more on EQ didnot come back to the ball,
rounded off that that route horribly.He takes the next If you watch it,
he takes an extra shuffle step tryingto get back to the ball.
By that time, Alexander's already onhim. But do you think it's scared
to say that Justin did take anextra hitch too many and he was late

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on that throw. But I thinkif the route was better by Eq,
I don't think that's the result ofthe play. I don't. I don't
think we're talking about an interception.There maybe a batted down ball. I'm
okay. I'm okay with the interceptionthough, because like he has to,
he has to get better at it, and doing it live is the best
way to do it. So ina season like this, yes, it's
the Packers. You don't want tosee mistakes. You don't want to lose

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to them. But we're finally that'sthat's progress in the right direction to allow
him to develop into who we knowhe's going to be. If it dis
continues, you need you're getting himpassing. You're getting some roster evaluation too.
While you're doing it. You know, you're you're evaluating quarterback, you're
evaluating the offensive line, You're evaluatingthese receivers. You know, Chase Claypool,

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you know he he gets damed onthe fumble, which I still don't
know that that was a fumble.I thought it was really close. I
agree, But you know, he'scome alive the last three weeks. I
think there's something to that. Hecame back in the game. I didn't
think he was gonna back in thegame. You hit a deep ball to
Eq, you know, good,and bade the deep ball to Harry and

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Jair go Ahead who was in onboth those plays, Alex Leatherwood playing right
tackle. Those are the only heplayed early in the well, that second
quarter or drive and then in thatfourth quarter drive. But I liked that
they're shuffling guys in. I thinkit's time. You know, I think
we as fans already kind of knowthis team's not going anywhere, right,

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They're just not. You gotta seewhat you got, and I think you
saw a guy in Blackwell take advantageof his chance today. He gets with
a kind of a if had heturned a little bit, he wouldn't have
got that PI. But what doyou do on ads thrown ball? That's
Aaron Rodgers getting a free thirty eightyards unfortunately, But for this first game,

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okay, you know, yeah,well, Jack Sandborn still seems to
be making instinctful play and making goodtackles. So to finish my point,
sorry, cautiously optimistic after that game, ausciously just figure that close the direction

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of the team. Yeah, both, what's that? I said? You're
you're cautiously optimistic about Justin or theteam or both? I think I think
all of it. I mean,like the bar is low man. I
wasn't expecting to be green Bay today. I was expecting to get boat raced.
So it is what it is.I know where we're at this season.

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So like to me, like stillshowing fight. It's all positive stuff.
Like I said, they're no,they're playing hard. The talent isn't
where it needs to be. Zerosacks, zero QB hurries, zero QB.
Hit the d lines, the dlines brutal Man's terrible ball, sacked
bad, They're terrible. It's justthat's what I'm impressive with. Like the

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defensive backgroup, even the backups havebeen holding up pretty damn good all things
considered. And like you said lastweek, with Samborn, you know,
being able to be as productive ashe is with that defensive line in front
of him. That with Sanborn's playingout of his mind. Bro Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I like hisinstincts many seaball get ball, read it,

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get to it, love it.He's also able to fight in around
through blocks. I think I'm notsaying he's he's better than Rokuan at this
point. I just think Roquan sortof struggled with that a little bit at
times. He takes good angles.I think that's one thing. He takes
good angles of pursuit to get throughlineman so he doesn't have to take on
the blocker necessarily. It's a it'san opposite development that I think he should

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be. We're the guys that areplaying behind the defensive line or shining.
But having said that, when theyget the guys that they need on that
defensive line is going to make lifeeasier for these guys who are developing at
a pretty damn good rate. True. I agree, you got a chance.
I mean you got a chance toreset it all. And I think
we were talking in the chat aboutthis roster construction, right, the roster

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construction versus where we had to comefrom to deconstruct it. I'd say it's
been a successful year. Like yousaid, Brian, it was you know
you were left with nothing, andnow going into this next year, you
have tangible fucking pieces to work withon the draft board, you have tangible

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salary cap that you can use.I'd say that successful so far with that,
And even though we weren't successful inthe field today, I think that's
something we can keep in our backof our minds. It's like, remember
where we were with no capital,nothing that could a lot of dead cap

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space. Yea, he was behindthe eight ball with being able to accomplish
too much talent wise, right ByronPringle. Yeah, I think for me
it's a mixed bag. Jare Idon't. I mean, I think a
lot of these things we still don'treally know yet, Like I don't know

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what this coaching staff is yet.Ultimately, you know, there's been some
good, there's been some bad.You've seen the culture buy in. My
one point with the head coaches,it is the culture buy in. Nobody's
quitting. That's a big thing.But if the winning, I mean,
I think it's easier to buy intoa new culture to start off, unless

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you're like, you know, youhad a team full of veterans when Lovey
Smith left, Like that team wasnever going to buy into Trustman or probably
anybody coming in there after Lovey.I think now you see, we're the
youngest team in the NFL. Ithink the buying is a little bit easier
at first, but if this doesn'tstart translating into wins, especially a lot
of these close games, next year, you know, I think the buying

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of the culture is really going tobe tested at that point. And how
important is the buying with as manypeople as we have on one year deals.
I wonder about that too. Youmean, like guys playing harder because
they know that they put something ontape or yeah, or get paid elsewhere.
Yeah, I mean, I thinkit's a combination of both. I
mean, I think this coaching staffhas done a good job keeping this team

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fighting through every single game. AndI think, yeah, I think we've
all said it, but I thinkdid he really kind of hit on it
today. It just it's a it'sa talent deficiency issue. At the end
of the day. I don't thinkwe really know what they are as coaches.
Because of that, it's hard toget an evaluation of a lot of
things right now, Like what isAlvin Williams. I don't really know Alan
Williams with Dounjee when he was inIndie, he played us in the Super

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Bowl. As a defensive backs coach, he's been, he's been with some
of the top guys that have frumthis defense. I'm not really worried about
him and that that that kind oflike you can tell that the ball hawk
mentality that hits principal whatever you wantto say, is getting through to these
guys. Like they they played prettyThey're playing pretty well all things considered.

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I didn't expect the world from thisdefense. So like today three quarters they
were they were doing all right.Yeah, you can't only give Rogers so
many opportunities. And it wasn't allRogers. I get that, but like,
ultimately, he's the quarterback that throwsthe ball and Christian Watson, the
guy that you had the biggest crushon coming out, turns out to be

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a killer. He is fourteen pointsswing yep. I think on the on
the jet suite, I think theykind of let him score. I think
at one point you almost had tooto get the ball back. That was
like with uh we scored with oneforty left or one fifty somewhere around there.

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So it sucks losing the Green Baythey'll get get me wrong, man,
But like again, like I'm alwayssort of used to it by now,
though like it doesn't face used tobe the kick the kickers once I

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have Packer fans that are friends starttexting me and oh, we're gonna lose
every fucking time we play them,and they get down We're gonna lose.
You guys, got this wound itevery time. Well they constant let's not
act like these dudes don't constantly downthere fucking messages. I hate they really
do this to themselves. They're likewon't come back and like come on,

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like we live this, Like stopthe bullshit. I said, it's early,
bro, Like we've seen this movie. How many times I had my
dad it was a Packers fan bitchingabout the refs. I'm like, I
was, man, I was likeall the holding that Rogers has gotten through
the years, eight seconds in thepockets, Like stop it, I said,

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for a pagraphan to be bitching aboutrefs is fucking ridiculous, Like knock
it off. You know. Forthe first time too, like in a
long time, I can say thatI think the refs did a damn good
job today during the game. Idid think Claypool was damn on that fumble.
But overall, they let the guysplay out there. They weren't calling
a bunch of tikie tack bullshit.I thought. Overall, the refs surprisingly

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called it really good. A J. Dillon was not toucheddown. Okay,
that one too. I would saythat that one was more egregious than the
Claypool one. Yeah, but yeahit was. I thought they did a
good job. It was night.It was refreshing to see let them,
you know, just be a littlebit more physical out there and play.
It is interesting to see that yourguy, Trenton Gill's doing kickoffs now.

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Huh, he's done that now acouple of weeks. There's been a couple
of weeks for Santos isn't back there. You can't fucking kick a ball cleanly,
evidently, mister Santos. I mean, it's a sign to something if
he's not doing kickoffs, So maybehe's And what's what's like the pat thing
starting to become a problem, youknow, over the last what do you

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think he's ailing an injury? That'swhy they have somebody else kicking. Certainly
possible, I could see that.What about fucking we had money badger now
in Detroit, you had him inhouse while he was hurt. How do
you let him go? I meanI get because Santos was on a burner
at that point, but since thattime we should have been bart your boy

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in with the glasses. Yet rememberRico Blankenship, give me some of that?
Did uh got signed else? Forhow long ago? Though? He's
a Detroit Yeah, but that waswhat literally the week after week cut him.
Well, I mean, you hadSantos coming back. You've paid Santos.
You're you're not keeping two kickers ona roster, are you? Are

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you keeping Santos now? Oh?Absolutely, I'm not at the I'm not
at the point with Santos because ofa couple of missed pats that I'm all
of a sudden souring on him.Last two seasons, Santos has been absolute
money and sometimes almost our entire offensiveproduction. Let's go signs, you bro,

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Just go watch soccer. You getso fired up about people that kick
the football, so like, honestly, just to get a break from this
ship, just go watch soccer.You love kicking kickers and punters need love
too. Okay, they're like thefat easy significant over football. Okay,
so nice to nice save right now. I think it's a valid question.

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I want y'all's input. Do youthink at this point is it worth it?
Because the kicker's confidence is so importantif he is nagging a little bit
of an injury, do you justgo ahead and shut him down now to
be safe and bringing somebody else?Kicker talker, dude, I mean confidence
is a big, big part ofthe kicking game. There's so many times

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where a kicker will go into aslump somewhere they get cut. Robbie Gold
was in a slump here before wecut him. He's credited multiple times that
the only reason he's had this resurgencewith the forty nine ers is because we
cut him and let him go.I just hate talking about kicker since Cody
Parking Man. This is such alet me tell you about this was This

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was Santos's fucking resurgence because he wasin Kansas City, correct, Lord?
The World Cup is on you,bro. Santos has been a couple of
places, including with us previous Yehe's been money for two years. He's
missing people, dude, you've paidhim how much? I don't know how
much he's would passed the season.I don't want to keep talking because I

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know Diddy's heads about. You hita field goal and guess what, that's
a that's a two score game,it's a nine point game, Jared?
Didn't he just break who was it? Was it? Kevin Butler's records?
You missed an extra point, youmissed a field goal? Or no,

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you got your field goal blocked fromforty yard? A forty yard field goal?
How many forty yard field goals?Did you rewind the tape? Is
it? Was it a low kick? Was it someone down and snap?
Don't I have to go back andwatch? It was fine? The hold
was fine, The snap was perfect, The hold was probably perfect. I

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already know that part. I don'tgotta review that. You know, did
you see Trenton Gill take that lowsnap off the ground? Get excellent?
But I did see Justin taking lowsnaps a fucking day. Oh yeahs bro,
He's gotta go that one thing?Is he? How healthy is your

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is your kind folk healthy? Jair? I don't know. I'll have to
put the phone. He seems tobe holding up better. Mustifer has been
less of a liability than we've seen, but some of the snaps just seem
low today, Like yeah, anyway, white Creamer in the chat. I
wanted to just address this real quick. Cowboys dropping fifty four in the cults

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right now, that's because Fluce isn'tthere anymore. That's the impact of losing
all there is. Oh damn.The positivity is that just let's go ahead
and end the show now on thathigh note, going to the bye week
riding high. Guys still concerned aboutBrisker, and that's the plan Biscuits Gordon

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with these concussions. Do you thinkit was a planned thing to get him
through the bye week and then lethim finish the season out could have been
that could have been the just theymaybe you know, weren't close enough to
even coming back, even if theBears wanted them to. I mean,
I don't, I don't know.Head injuries can be weird. Concussions can
sometimes be a week. Sometimes itcould be two three weeks, very very

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random type of injury. I don'tthink there was any reason to rush him
back the right right, especially Brisker. I mean, I think we already
know Brisker as a dog. Youknow, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing
Kyler Gordon come back this year,if healthy, if if the head is
fine, because I do think ohyeah, he got beat for the uh

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the one touchdown yep. Two wasn'tto cut that for them. In his
defense though he was trying to coverWatson. It matters, Yeah, it
was. It was Watson, Jay, of course it was. Yeah.
I mean, what do you do? Where do you go from here?
How do you it's hard to Watsonlike ball out for another team, kind

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of like like Jefferson's and nice seeingother teams have in our division half top
targets, isn't it? And Detroitgot their dog back, they got their
first round wide receiver back this week, and they got they got the right
Saint Brown too. Yeah, yeah, he's really good. You know,
it's fucking shitty whenever you can lookat Detroit and say they have more hope

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than what we have right now.I think it's the NFL. And I
know you guys had this discussion inthe chat and you're saying it's Detroit though,
but like it's the NFL, andit's an NFL organization that's in year
two of their rebuild. Well,the Rams and I know Detroit always fail,
always, always manages to play worsethan us, but like they might
have the right staff in place totry to get things in the right direction.

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Finally, I agreed with all yourlogic and the thread. Yeah,
naturally, in the year two oftheir rebuild, they should be further along
than us. They got a veteranquarterback too. That it's just it's painful
to accept the fact that Detroit actuallymight, like you said, have gotten
there coaching higher right, they mightactually finally be building something the right way.
They haven't forced another quarterback after gettingthe Hall and taking Jared goff off

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LA's hands. You know they're they'restill going to take a quarterback here pretty
soon. Eventually, golf's not goingto be the not the worst thing in
the world. You know, he'sactually playing, I think, conceivably better
than most people expected him to whenhe got shipped off there. Go ahead,
pony, Okay, here's if youwere say both jobs became open today,

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Chicago and Detroit, which one wouldyou prefer? Chicago? Chicago?
You got more pieces in Detroit.I might take Detroit. Yeah, but
theoretically you have a lot of capspace, a lot of draft and granted
the cap space before they talked atlength about that, not going as far,
but the draft picks a better market. I'd rather live near Chicago than

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Detroit. Well, yeah, man, it's part of the thing, though.
You gotta understand you'd be living theretoo. You've got you've got starting
tackles, You've got a defensive end, you have a Kuda that's still young,
you have fucking two very young anupcoming wide receivers, and you've got

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a good running back already in place. Yeah, Jamal Williams is pretty good.
Yeah. I think I would takethat situation over the Chicago situation.
Wow. No, you got arunning back on an expiring contract next but
this year, next year, Ithink it's too hard to say. There
and you're two of their rebuilding.I'm just saying, as as it stood

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right now, we can have thisdiscussion. I can't have the discussion till
next year, though, you don'tknow. I think I think is a
pretty position to rebuild things. He'snot locked into a ton of guys.
Correct, He's got the draft picks. Why it might be right that just
because of that La trade, theyactually might have more this year. Yeah,

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they've got eight or nine picks thisyear. Yeah, guess whether they'll
be picking next year thanks to thefucking ramps. Yeah, but you're taking
over some So here's the thing,JA from a from a position where I
would be at, is you're takingover a situation that's already two years into
their rebuild. We're here, youcan mold this to what you wanted to
be. You've got one hundred andthirty million dollars to spend. You've got

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you're gonna get one of the topdraft picks in the draft. You've got
justin fields at least, it's betterthan any rookie quarterback coming out. So
you've got to factor those things in. And I'd rather have more control and
more say I'm taking over someone else'swork more in Detroit. It's not my
hands on it because these guys havealready been here like we're is a problem
to me. No, It's whatI'm saying is this was this is a

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rebuild. And I think like,if you're coming into an organization where you
have to where you're choosing between jobs, could just because the ownership is not
happy where things are going here,you have more of more of a chance
to show your impact. That's allI'm saying because it's so raw right now,
it's down like down to the studs. I would take Chicago and the

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city's better. I think Detroit's ina really good position moving forward, but
I'm with Diddy, I would haveto stay. Do you see a scenario
where green Bay ends up being thenew Detroit like the green Bay that we
grew up with before Brett that low. No, I think they're going to
be at the bottom of the divisionhere if if Rogers leaves, there's but

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I don't see them becoming well thirtyyears stretch of never winning the division since
ninety two. I don't see thathappening because if they they're going to keep
the floor and his everybody knows hisoffense on that team, so that a
young quarterback coming in, if itis Love or somebody else, is playing
around guys that already know what they'redoing. We're like Justin. That's that's

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another thing with Justin right second system. Everybody's first year, everybody's first year
besides the guy that hasn't even beenon the field, and EQ like everybody
else is new to this, solike Justin is trying to bring them along,
which guess what other than things alreadythere, so like other than Claypool

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and commit, it's gonna be thesame way next year with no receivers with
any experience in the offense pretty much. Are you keeping Pettis? Are you
keeping Nikil Harry? I think Niel'sa guy maybe, Yeah. I think
you're keeping the Keel the backup Claypool. You get a big body guy.
Yeah. I just you could seea very similar situation coming down the pipe.

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I wouldn't mind EQ being three.If Darnell's back, I would take
EQ over Pringle. I think heneeds to get by. You know,
there's definitely gonna be what maybe halfthe offense here that's gonna be new coming
and learn this. So I thinkthat's a fair point except for you,
actually, with the exception of yourguard. I don't know all the contract

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links share. You're saying everybody's oneyear on the offense, where your receivers
mostly are except for Pringle. Pringleswin a two year much we ever paid
for him, the receivers are both. I'd have to look it all up,
Jair. I don't know how muchNikkiel has left, Okay, either

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way, I'm just Claypool will behere. Mooney will be here right.
I'm pretty sure Nikkiel is on anexpiring contract this year, and EQ was
only one season. EQ was oneseason. I believe I will do you
bring him back? He'll be allright. I don't think you have to
pay him much for him? Whoknows? I don't here. I don't

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know. I don't have the contractsin front of me to talk about it.
Like if the offense is literally goingto be gone next year, you're
looking up spot right now, aren'tyou. Yeah, the last year of
nick Heel's contract was voided, sothis is his his last year here.
That's what I was looking to Sohe beat me to it, and I

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don't know, Man, Cold Cold, Yeah, you're coming up to the
point where you're going to have todecide is cola guy worth paying and keeping.
You're starting to show a little bitmore consistently, which is good.
Of course, the passing offense isgetting a little bit better. I think

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I think I'd be okay't they paidCold top ten to fifteen money? Oh
top in the ten to fifteen range, I would be okay with that.
I think that's where he's at.So like I think, just naturally supplying
to man especially with tight ends hittingfree agency. I think that's likely a
position and that's going to maybe gettypically overpaid based on where your production probably

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falls. But which I think Cometz, I mean, I would not mind
paying Comet. I think he isjust scratching the surface with limited opportunities most
of what this first half of theyear, he was kept in line as
a blocker for so damn long,which he does exceptionally well. And I
think he can develop more in thereceiving game with more opportunities. Coals a

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keeper from me and you see whatI mean. Howkinson brought a second from
Minnesota, so I mean there's valuethere, and he does. I think
he's a better rounded, straight rightend the Hockinson because he can block and
he can catch. I think Hackinsonis a little bit more fluid in the

(30:48):
passing game, absolutely, but Ido think Comets a better blocker. So
maybe, I mean it is probablya push. Maybe it's a push.
He's got pretty damn good hands fora guy that plays a way does it's
pretty impressive would come out. Yeah, and that's that's actually gotten better.
He had some drop issues there.He's playing better, yeah, and Justin

(31:08):
trusts him, so that's that's huge. It was two of the best plays
I thought in this game today wasthe one that he fired over the middle
to Cole and Cole took a bigshot and held onto that football. And
the other one I believe was toCole if I'm not mistaken, correct me
if I'm wrong, where Justin kindof kept his eyes down field and right
before the line of scrimmagey through.I think was also another third down there

(31:32):
in the first or second quarter.Yeah, where he like backpedaled a couple
more yards. Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, so nice. It
would be nice to see more ofthat even with the defense, like a
lot of the defense that was playingtoday, a lot of those guys are
gonna be depth pieces going forward.That's good that they're getting live live reps.

(31:56):
You gotta, you gotta with thedevelopment process, you gotta. You
gotta kind of recognize that stuff too. And it it's a game within the
game, right You're trying to seethese guys that like developed for next season.
And there's a new adult dating chatfor Free Russia is in the chat
bro x x x sixty nine.Nice dot bi see dot biz. That

(32:22):
means it's a classy and Whyatt issigning up for it as we speak.
Yeah, so I want to dresssomething that why I said in the chat,
is Duke Shelley like actually playing goodfootball right now? Or is this
like some like Minnesota like drunk evaluation. He's making plays for him, is
he? Yeah, at least liketheir fifth corner and he has to play,

(32:42):
so he's making place. So there'sthat, and that's Viking chat.
Duke says, go until they blowit in the playoffs, but there it
is. Purple Rain stops like itaround the second round usually, so we're
I'm not too worried about it.I still think that's why we lost the

(33:05):
two thousand and six Super Bowl.Speaking of Purple Rain with Prince, as
soon as he came out singing athalftime, game went downhill. Yep.
So do you guys have any goatsof the game. I don't know what
a what a segue? I'm notmuch on segways. Seeing me on a

(33:30):
segway goats of the game, mI was. I was taking notes just
to come up to this point inthe show too, Okay, really really
investigating that. So yeah, Blackwelland Jones don't with two young guys in

(33:53):
the corners. Huh No, Ithink they I gotta get. Yeah,
I guess I'll give them the youngdB. In general today, I think
they held up much better than Ithought that would. Of course, we're
all gonna say Justin, But thenI will say the one pass that he
had where he's he steps up throughthe middle, there's a guy right in

(34:15):
his face and he throws a fuckingdime. I'm here for that. That's
growth. That's the one throw today that I looked at him and it's
like hell yeah, hell yeah,that's what we want to see. So
as far as my go to thegame, jeeus. Probably I'm gonna take
David Montgomery. Oh so I tryto give you guys a layup. So

(34:37):
if you don't say, h'm I'llsay him all right, and why Montgomery
ran hard, got the rushing touchdown, picked up a few blocks. All
in all, pretty good game.Almost had a nice finger tip catch.
That was a bad throw by Justinbehind him. Thought you were gonna go
a different direction with that. Ohyou, there's a little delay between the

(35:00):
finger and the tip. My goto the game is Jack Bartholomule Sandborn ten
tackles continues to be just I thinka guy who's really earned himself an opportunity
to start next year eight hundred andtwenty seven thousand, affordable, great value,
and one less thing to worry aboutnext year, next offseason. Did

(35:23):
you get all worked up when yousaw Rogers drawing with him like he did
with the great Erlaker? And yeah, I saw a couple of those meat
ball takes on Twitter. I don't. Yeah, I'm just gonna leave that
there next so those the game,I would have picked Sandborn too. I

(35:45):
mean, but I think the youngdefensive backs and press today. I agree
that Biscuits dude is balling for forundrafted, for an undrafted guys man,
that's awesome to see. Yep,good instincts. Good instincts will take you
to the ball to get to getundrafted guy coming coming into but defensive playing
like this, it's a fucking win. He's been your best free agent that

(36:08):
you brought in outside of Justin Jones, been one of our best rookies.
Yeah, i'd say, I Isay better than Justin Jones. Oh,
I do two. Personally. I'mjust saying that they all actually hits people
and tackles them. I mean defensivehe's played well in spots. I just

(36:30):
I don't think he's a guy thathe can be your best defensive lineman.
Then if we can get in trouble, if we can get if we can
get arma wats to like, insteadof doing one awesome thing a game,
if you could do like four ofthose, I would I would say he
has a lot of potential blacks anddead by the way, I'm I don't
know, but but but that dude, just like once in a like that

(36:52):
one play games, he's been bringingarm on like oh shit, Okay,
we got a sack and the barso fucking low, right, but then
you got like a tackle in thebackfield, Like oh shit, It's like
Hicks used to do that multiple timesa game. Taco Charleton drew a false
start. I mean, we're notthat far removed from the a D line

(37:14):
that kind of spoiled us. True, that's very true to Lettie Goldman went
mia and then sure Nicks was hurt. Sure it's a full fucking blow up,
bro, Like, yeah it is. Eighteen was not that long ago,
do you know what I mean?Yeah, it's a ten win team.

(37:34):
Didn't you know there's Twitter told you. I just find it Twitter Hand
September Hold, the national media,there's just hitting and the right. Bro.
I'm just I didn't even say shipthis year. I'm like, nope,
I've been through. I've not fallenfor this fucking trap. They're probably
it's probably accurate, like they havea talented all sided on the show too.

(38:00):
We all knew what this team wasgoing to be this year. I'm
just saying the level of research he'snetworks and the tens of twenties of people
that listen to us, I'm justsaying that things that they have at their
fingertips to make these these opinions,it's crazy, right, Like they know
what the fuck they're talking about.Like, you know, this team didn't
have a lot of talent, oneof the worst rosters in the NFL.

(38:21):
That's we're playing into it. Iwas specifically told that this is the year
that we're going to see how muchof a difference coaching makes. Talent doesn't
matter, guys, it's the coachingthat was the problems, all right.
That's just what I was told.With the team. That he happens to

(38:43):
be on fields is damn fucking impressive. He's I think he's the only reason
why a lot of these teams havegiven them close. Correct, He's the
only reason this team is anywhere nearcompetitive. We saw that last week.
He's doing He's doing the best hecan. The engine running here, there's
a lot of things, and I'mnot saying he can't make people better,

(39:06):
because I believe he has. He'sshown that too this year. I believe
the tackles a little bit better.He lost his number one guy and he
still tried to spread it around asmuch as possible. Do you think he
looked better today with him gone?I think he did. I think he
looked a lot better with him gone. He had to look elsewhere. He's

(39:28):
a small sample size as of rightnow. I'm not gonna say based on
one game. I think he feltlike he had a pass more because he
was banged up. So yeah,I think that third and five he would
have normally ran for it. That'shave a couple of RPOs. They didn't
call a lot of like specific designruns. After his long touchdown run,

(39:49):
No, pretty much stopped and thenyou got it to justin too because he
dropped back at that. Yeah,he dropped back and threw the ball.
I don't think he played cautiously,but he debt. The game plan definitely
had a change to not get himhurt. Correct, Like, this is
the balance that we really should beat with him. So like, I'm
glad that happens because he needs todevelop. He needs to develop as a

(40:12):
passer more so, I am finewith the mistakes. I'm glad that we
saw it, you know what Imean. I'm glad that we saw We
saw glimpses today and more of themthan normal from from his arm, and
we know he has that potential.So I'm overall we wanted justin to get
better. We knew this season wasgonna suck. We saw him get better

(40:32):
today, even though there were mistakesat the end, but we're seeing progression.
Yeah, So the policition percentage wasgood today and we held our draft
position. So three for what twowhat do you have to forty to fifty
or two forty five? I thinkforty five somewhere around there. Yeah,

(40:55):
I mean it's a season high forhim this year for I think I think,
you know, did he alluded toit earlier about just how it's so
far left and so far right,like multiple things can be true, and
I think it's okay to point outsome of the things that Justin can do
better or some of the mistakes doesn't. It's not an indictment that he can't
learn from it or get better.But I don't know, it's it's just

(41:20):
the the amount of defending every singlething, no matter what. Well it's
it doesn't help that Chicago media putsout these fucking all twenty two guru fucking
oh well here here's Trent Nofer whole. I mean, I like Trent's breakdowns.
Yeah too, but it's like you'reinundated with this sometimes having too much

(41:45):
information. It's just that it's toomuch. There's too much to focus on.
It's too much if you go onTwitter. But like just to your
Trent talk, like, I thinkhe's doing great breakdowns every week. I'm
I'm assuming he's not gonna be doinghim the most of this season because he's
got that head coaching job. ButI've actually enjoyed it. It's probably one
of the better things that's being doneon sports radio right now in Chicago.

(42:08):
Seems like they've got that guy.There's another guy that's on there, but
transno since high school, so he'snot here to like promote him. He's
given a pretty honest he grades himpretty fairly. He does tell you what
he does wrong, he does tellyou what he needs to work on.
He even gets into what they shouldbe working on in practice, like he's

(42:29):
kind of nailing it. I know, I'm just saying in general, because
it's not just him, it's there'sthree other guys doing the same thing getting
thousands of clicks because Bears fans aretrying to figure out is he the guy?
Is he the guy? Guess what, he's the guy. He's the
guy because the coaching step says he'sthe guy, and he's the guy until
the coach says he's not the guy. True, But to get a former

(42:52):
NFL quarterback who I actually have alwayslike Trent Differ even as a player,
to get his perspective, and you'regetting a different van. You're seeing it
from a different vantish point. It'snot just some guy that claims to be
an expert, like he was anexpert. Yeah, I mean, I
just I just see it. Ijust see the things where it's paralysis by

(43:12):
analysis. He's also getting a headcoach college UAB right, I believe you
got the coach. He's a wellrespected guy. This isn't some Oh I
don't disagree. I'm just there's alot of clowns out there. I used
Trent, I'm used. I usedTrent Dilfer as the benchmark. They're just

(43:34):
as you know, everybody knows him. But it's all it's all over any
kind of media. If you're onYouTube, you search justin fields, it's
fucking that eight or nine, onehundred times and a hundred people that,
oh, he's doing this great,or he sucks or this not. And
it's like, yeah, the talkingheads you got to kind of take with
a grain of salt, right,Like the ESPN shows and all that shit

(43:57):
that's there's there's a Hollywood aspect tothat, right, But like when Trent's
doing the breakdowns, man, it'sit's just I've been enjoyed them. I
think it's been a bright spot inmedia coverage this season because I actually I'm
getting a lot out of what hehas to say and seeing that on the
field, him and JT's videos bothI agree, I like, I like
both of their breakdowns. But Twitter, it's just like that's what my shade

(44:22):
was more towards like there's no ever, no nuance of the conversation. It's
it's you have to be on oneside or the other. It's correct,
you're turning my sports political and Ihate that shit. Like you have to
pick up you have to pick agroup. It's like group thought, but
you have to be on one sideor the other. And then you tag
your boys in so they can getinvolved. Like we've met, Jared,
I've been through this shit, Likethat's exactly what I've been on Twitter a

(44:45):
long time. So it's just likeit's a it's just recycled with different names
and the arguments, and I'm justtired of the bullshit. Like it's it's
okay to be in the center withit, like you want them to work
out. If you haven't seen everythingyou want to see, that's okay too.
If you feel like you're you're youmaybe get drinking the Bear's kool,

(45:06):
that's fine too. You don't haveto like there's no right or wrong,
Like ultimately, justin fields and thiscoaching staff, like Jared said, they're
gonna be the ones that that thatare in control of this outcome or how
they play on the field. Whylike why fight amongst I don't know,
fighting amongst ourselves as a fan base. Just whack to me. Bring it

(45:27):
to other teams that have fun withit, Like it's just it's it's overbearing,
man, Like get some pussy thereit is and cut I'm trying.
I'm just I'm just saying, like, or go take care of yourself,
like that would be more enjoyable,right than like like trying to build a

(45:49):
reputation about a bunch of people thatdon't care about you, Like that's the
only life. The Twitter is notreal life, and football is supposed to
be an escape from that. Solike, calm the fuck down, guys,
and they kind of that's part ofthe thing. That's part of that.
I'm just saying some of the enjoymentout of it. Whenever take up
take up woodworking or spelunking or something. I don't know, Like, you

(46:15):
know, I'm just like to getout and breathe some fresh air, like
put your phone, enjoy the ride. That's That's profu thing is everyone wants
to make these grand proclamations of everythingis black and white right now, just
sit back and enjoy it. Youknow. I think Justin has a chance
to be the guy here for tenyears. But then it's so stupid,

(46:37):
right, because then they have totalk about their podcast in the argument because
it's so dull, which we willbe promoting, which I'm just saying,
like you know what I'm saying this, we stick together all this bullshit,
and then you tell your podcast buddiesand they jump into the ring too,
because it's a royal rumble of dipshits. Like like, the amount of time

(47:00):
that people spent on Twitter is almostsad, like seriously, Like yeah,
in general, some people that's theirlife, like they're they're breaking out like
two hundred tweets a day just toget Some people do that and some people
have just breaks from it and getaway from it. Yeah, but like
exchange it for a different I don'tknow. Oh, was that some shape

(47:24):
the fourth Compadre? I think itwas not. It was Oh, I
was in a pay attention. Iwas thinking about what I was saying.
Would you say now, nothing,I don't blame me. Social media is
a bitch man. It just is, no matter what, no matter what
platform it is, it's just bad. Oh. I Like the only the

(47:46):
reason I opened my Twitter account backin the day, it was just to
get like the chefter shit, likethe New Side of it. I don't.
I was only following big outlets andlike the guys that were breaking draft
news because I'm not gonna sit aroundfor twenty something hours on a weekend watching
that ship when I could just getmy updates right, That's why I started
it. But like the Mord,they're into a good lord, Like too

(48:13):
many people take themselves way too fuckingseriously on there, and they're off and
all your segments. You got thehype men, you know, you got
all these different like they're trying tobuild their own brand, and they really
think that they're gonna go from thebasement to the big they're gonna take it
national. I mean, you can't. You just can't walk on to Michigan.

(48:37):
You just can't. Well, there'sthere's a bunch of examples to bring
up. I mean, the hoursand hours they put it into this ship.
Like good lord man, everybody thinksthey're gonna be the next big thing.
They have to they have to,they have to. They have to
tweet out when they get ten thousanddownloads, like thank you so much,

(49:00):
Like bro, like I don't know, validate me, validate me, now,
give me that blue check mark weisplease subscribe and like to the podcast.
Yeah, that's right there. Giveaway next week. Whoever, if
the Bears win next week, we'llbe giving away to two tickets. We
are actually gonna be giving away tosign pictures of Jay Cutler's ass. Yeah.

(49:22):
This this only though to give awayapplies though this week only so details.
The three of us will sign itjust so. It's kind of.
It's kind it's an art. It'san art form of a way of just
telling them to kiss our ass.Love it, love it. I think

(49:45):
Justin needs to go there this offseason. Catch that air, just gets get
some zen. He's already doing thosebreathing techniques earlier, they say away from
the Rogers, fucking juice, JesusChrist, Yeah no, aka PoCA whatever
that shit. I think people shouldfeel free to be able to post their
thought about this team without getting draggedlike shit unless complete jackass. But if

(50:09):
you're gonna call ebony or fucking here'sanother little shade. At a all day
there was what was it, ReggieBush and who else was he saying that?
Oh, Derrick Henry or something?Yeah? No, yeah, now

(50:31):
he was saying that shit. Toclarify what he said after that, tweet
was that was apparently a quote froma Scout. I'm just telling it tweeted
that way. I googled it actuallyhas a quote from a scout, which
is fine, but business if I'mgetting a draft breakdown and I say on

(50:52):
Twitter, my feelings are, thisguy has a really good lunge at the
and it's like vord for reward whatthey said, you plagiarizing their thought.
I mean, he's from he's promotinga video like, I don't, I
don't. Do you think he wouldhave used that defense he was right.
Do you think he would have usedthat defense if he if it was right.
I don't think I would take thatdefense if I was right. I'm

(51:17):
saying, I guess I'm on I'mnot on Twitter that much. So my
shade hates directed towards another group ofpeople right now, Like I don't mind
anyone. I don't know, Idon't, I don't mind the video promotion
on that. No, just say, according to scouts, yeah okay,

(51:39):
yeah it could have it could havebeen worded. You didn't. He took
somebody else's word and ran with measure. That's like it's like somebody typing something
on Facebook that's literally word for wordfrom Adam Schefter and proclaiming it their own.
It's like no, it's like herescreenshot. Those reporters are on Twitter
too. Yea. The Moonlight ishead coaches as well. And I don't

(52:02):
know how Greenberg's no life ask doesit like he'll he'll have it like thirty
seconds after, Like Schefter, he'llhave a whole tweet ready to go in
the chamber like guy never sleeps,Good Lord injuries at like three or four
o'clock in the morning Eastern time,King request shade. Each of you go

(52:22):
around, throw some shade. Weare That's the premise of the whole show.
You know what, though, Iactually got some shade. I am
gonna throw some shade today at myguy, Luke Getsy, who I still
stand by and say that I don'tcare what anyone says. He's still growing

(52:43):
as a play caller. We don'tknow what he's ultimately going to end up
being. I think he's done alot of good with limited resources on this
side of the ball. I thinkyou've seen him not be stubborn and adjust
to the talent he does have onhand, and not let his ego get
in the way to run his system, but today he got very conservative on

(53:05):
two big drives when he got downin the red zone, and he seems
to be developing a habit of gettinga little little too safe instead of especially
field goals correct playing for field goals. And I'm sorry, even though the
defense played better today, you're you'renot in a position where you can,
you know, field goal and opponentto death because your defense is not that
good. You got to score points. Justin needs the opportunities as well as

(53:28):
other people on this offense in thered zone to get those get those reps
and you're three and nine. Takea chance. Wait. I think Getsy
had a good first half. Iliked his game plan overall, but his
second half I thought was pretty pitiful. What do you guys think? Great?
I think if Justin made those twothrows instead of interceptions, and I

(53:51):
know there was a lot of factorsfactoring into why those two didn't work,
I don't think we feel the sameway about him ultimately, because I think
those two plays would have changed thingsa little bit. But the conservativeness,
and he's shown it a couple oftimes where you're just like playing to preserve
a win, but he knows betteragainst his quarterback playing for field goals,

(54:12):
that's yeah, just but he knowsbetter like if any he's been around Rogers
more than anybody, Like you don'tgive this dude, I don't care if
he has one arm. If he'sout there, like you don't give him
too many opportunities, you're gonna getburnt. So to show a conservative approach
only being up that much. Ididn't like it either. I think Luke,
I think he nailed it, Biscuse. I think, like, yes,

(54:37):
he has shown the ability to adaptand coach his players strength. I
like the guy overall. I justthink I would like to see him with
a little more talent before I makelike a great Yeah, absolutely, I
think that's completely fair. He couldend up being the thing I am excited
about, though, is and Idon't think he's going anywhere. I don't
think anyone's poaching him away for headcoaching jobs. You know, he might

(54:59):
maybe an interview like some of theseguys do, just just to get a
guy in a room and talk tohim, you know, maybe for a
couple of years down the line.But I think it's gonna be nice having
him and Justin together for two seasonsin a row, um, and I
think with that talent infusion, I'mit's gonna be nice to get a better
evaluation of who he is. Iwant Herbert and blasting game back as soon

(55:20):
as possible. That that's a bigloss right there. At one point you
had Scofield. At one point,Scofield doesn't bind up as the fullback.
It's like, if that's not somethingI want to see. No, And
Evans just played a way better thanEbner. But yes, yeah, I

(55:40):
think Dave was really right about thatand that you know, limited sample pool
there on Twitter, but some peoplereally pushed back on what his loss was
going to be. I think it'sdefinitely made a bigger impact. Like Diddy
was saying, absolutely, he's yourexplosive, he's your home run hitor.
Other than Justin, he's the onlyrunning back that's gonna has the chance to

(56:02):
take it to the house. Correct. And I like the I like the
I like demo, but y itis exactly a physical guy and then a
guy that can burn you. Likethat's perfect. You let you let Monty
get the body punches in and bringingthe speech like damn, Monty runs hard

(56:22):
as fuck. He does. Iain't gonna I ain't gonna say anything bad
about No, he wears out ofdefense. Yep, his tenacity. The
blueprint really for me is how Dallasis using Tony Pollard and Ezekiel Elliott this
year, which is, you know, Tony Pollard in between the twenties is
the one getting the bown there andthen you put in Montgomery or Elliott to

(56:45):
you know, finish the job.I think that's I'd like to say.
I think Herberts is a better fitfor this offense overall. Just like to
see a little bit more of himwhen he comes back, as in terms
of the load share, Paul seeblessing him gets some places way, I
just seem haven't seen any any Yeah, an he passes like test, you

(57:06):
know, like you know a playthat we haven't seen is that that fake
power fullback play action, you knowwhere you run the play action to the
to the running back, the fullbackfakes like he's gonna lead and then he
does just a little out there.Yeah, I haven't seen that all year
screens, lasting game and tests.We haven't had any running back on him

(57:30):
too. Yeah, he's pretty fast, versas, got to get him out
there. Leatherwood's here, so I'mexcited, man, I'm excited. He
looked I had looked at the Iwatched it on the TV copy. I
thought Justin helps him out a lotbecause he makes that end stay home.

(57:53):
You know, if he if he'suncovered, that end has to stay home.
Because if Justin Reid's how he goesZone read and decides he's gonna take
off, he's the last hope.And you know, Leatherwood long arms got
his hands on some people didn't grabsooner we get him in the better send

(58:14):
Wright rarely reef home before you haveto pay him on an incentive laden contract.
Why pay him when you could bepaying Alex Leatherwood and finding out if
he's something. I don't think anybodycares, but they should. I care.

(58:37):
I think it's I was like,damn, I mean, at this
point the season, you're not,you know, goals about seeing what you
have for next year. You gotto play somebod these younger next couple of
years. Honestly, I would beupset if they don't play Kendall vildor the
rest of the year and see whatyou have and some of these other guys

(58:58):
think you pretty much already know itold door is. I'm not sure he's
a piece moving forward. Personally,I disagree. Do you think so there's
no pass rush? None don't.Wasn't really good even when there was a
pass or Its granted that the systemprobably fits him better now than it did
before. Last week you would havesaid Vilder was our best cornerback on the

(59:20):
field. That's not saying much.Jared, we got shredded less. What
about Jayleen Johnson? Though he wasthere and Jalen Johnson's had a down year?
Has he that He's never been aninterception guy either. That's that's the
problem with the corners. They're notturnover guys. We don't get a lot
of turnover. But evaluate with this, I know it. And when you

(59:42):
don't get any pressure, you don'tget any quarterback hits. This is part
of it, and that's where myultimate shape goes. Is this defensive line
sucks. Defense predicated on getting pressurewith your front. I would just like
to see them upgrade from Vildoor.I mean again, I think did he
I said it a billion times onhere. Gordon outside just makes way more

(01:00:02):
sense. But they seem dedicated tokeeping them at Nickel I just I think
if you have an opportunity to Obviouslythe front and four front seven in general
need more work, but to behonest, like long term, I think
that developing your defensive backs this earlyinto your system, into your coaching career,

(01:00:24):
they're actually going to be better fromthis long term because they're playing with
absolute shit in front of them.When they get a good defensive line,
these guys are gonna be comfortable asfuck. That's true, like the and
they're gonna know when things break downbecause sometimes you get spoiled with a good
defensive line too, and when shitdoes break go south, at least they're
getting the experience of they're playing prettydamn well all things considered in front of

(01:00:44):
him. Say that's a positive ofthe day. I mean, if there's
a positive to take away other thanyou know, Justin's passing yards in this
that the young defense mine is notgetting any pressure. The DB's played really
well. They were they were allowedto. They let him play too.
That does help. But that's good. That's good for the development because they

(01:01:07):
untill the refs wanted Green Bay backin the game. So I'm gonna throw
my shade real quick. Insto Packersfans, all of you, because for
the first time in my fandom,I don't want your quarterback over mine.
I like the position I'm in withmy quarterback way better than yours, and
I've never been able to say that, So go fuck yourselves. I think

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long term and you know it's coming, just a feel better situation at quarterback
than you have. Did you seethat throw that he had in the flash?
Get that, get you, getyou some of that up above your
head right there, zoomed in.Hey, ladies, you zoomed in.
After I'm done, Jared, I'mjust saying I think we are in a
better position long term at quarterback thanthe Packers. I'd much rather have justin

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fields than Aaron Rodgers at this pointin his career. And hey, enjoy
yourself, salute these nuts. Bitchfuck Aaron Rodgers man. I love it.
Yeah, I'm just saying, fuckhim that bullshit. Love it,
love it, love it. Andeverybody at my jobs probably gonna see that.

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So that's good. That's why Ilove going live. When you broadcast
this ship, You're welcome. Imean something. Obviously he's not right with
him, that that throw. Ithink in the flats, I believe it
was to Aaron Jones like three feetaway from him and he sailed it over
his head by a couple of yards. I've never seen him make not make
that throw. Oh he should beon the i R. He's just trying

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to be a tough guy. Mgood times. They still think they're alive
in the playoffs too, though,so like, ultimately, keep they're alive
till they're dead, keep going,keep pushing yourself back in the draft.
We're good. The one thing aboutthat fucker, they're alive till they're dead.
I mean they need to win outand they also need a lot of

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help to you gotta tie from theGiants and fucking Redskins. That it did
suck to get hurt again today thougha little bit, because we did get
kind of pumped up about it tohave it kind of here we go again.
But we're used to it. Atleast we handle it. Yeah we
did. Yeah, we're used todisappointment. But doesn't feel good to get

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this out of our system on aSunday rather than stirring over it and being
mad about it. I think havingthat twenty four hour just like what are
we gonna talk about? Like let'sjust get it out of our system.
I have to agree we got thebyowe next I think I guess has us
down four, so I don't evengive a fuck man. We got the

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bye week. I'll leave you guyswith one more question that I want your
input on coming out of the byeweek. What is one thing you would
like to see from this team?By the way, just to put things
in the perspective for you, it'sPhilly, Buffalo, Detroit and Minnesota.
That's a gauntlet. That's brutal Billycoming to town Billy and Buffalo, like,

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oh my god. That might bereminiscent of the Patriots Packers back to
back fifty games when Tresman was here, Buffalo's on Christmas Eve, bro Oh,
Santa Dunn left, Santa has beingin his big old sack. But
as Josh Allen interesting, Josh Allen, you say we won't get into that.

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No, no, we're an hourdon't. I don't want people to
d pony the pony, but Iam curious to hear what you guys have
to say. What's one thing comingout of the buy A week that you
would like to see from this team? I would like to see Chase Claypool
get over sixty five to seventy yardsif he's healthy, and I like,

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I like the direction we saw today, and I don't know that thank Philadelphia
as a team, you can kindof I think you can throw on them
a little bit. I mean mostteams can throw them. I won't say
we can. Most teams can throwon them a little bit. So I'll
just see them be able to pass, protect, don't let Robert Quinn get

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three sacks on you, and justkeep just be respectable. Yeah, just
be respectable, don't get blown out, don't tank in the essence of just
quit on the team. Let's berespectable, all right, did anyone about

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you? I want to see Justinhave that game that we're just like,
Yeah, I want to see himhave like over three hundred yards passing.
I know the statistics ultimately don't matter, but it's scoring and getting points.
I get that, But like,I'd like to see him throw for over
three hundred and one of these gamesand a clean game and show progress all
four of these games. As longas we're seeing progression, I'm good And

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I think I want to see thebalance too, So like I liked,
I know it was because the shoulderwas hurt, he would have probably taken
off more. I get that,but like to have that balance of the
past and run. I just wantto see a complete game like that from
him. And I know the mistakesare gonna happen, but I just hope
he gets to that point where we'relike, yeah, so now he's now
we're seeing the anticipation stuff we need. I'd like to see a lot of

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development out of him because these gamesat this point in the season, it's
not make or break. Like wewe understand, there's gonna be a mistakes,
So I just want to him beable to go through that and get
those live reps and the effort,like Jared said, from everybody, like
if we continue to see that,that's a good sign. Now. EQ

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wasn't available for an interview. Iguess he usually is, like he I
think he took this one the heart. Oh really Yeah, he was out
of the chapter room. Yeah,but I don't really care if we gets
the yard, and I would liketo see that relationship between him and Claypool
get better too, you know whatI mean. Like to see key guys
stay healthy. I think that's themost important thing because you do not want

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to lose somebody for next year oranything like with a season that is now
record wise this meaningless correct and wethink Russian the chat, Yeah, I
think, why are you blocking him, Jarre? I'm trying to see these
links. All that's good. Theother thing I want to see is I
want to see if Alex Leatherwood canbe a thing there it is. I'll

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just I'm gonna ride that thing tillit's gone. Man. Pause, Wait,
I'm looking at the chat reading whatyou just blocked while you're saying you're
gonna ride that thing. Sorry,pony, dirty dirty, dirty pony.
I think I think jare kind ofnailed what I was gonna say, which

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is the direction they kind of tookit today and given justin more opportunities in
the passing game. One thing Iwant to see is justin get those reps.
We already know he can run,and these last four games, I
think you're gonna be playing from behindquite a bit. So I think it's
going to force them to, youknow, kind of knock that's been the
last couple of weeks. Is whenhe's forced to throw, well, we're

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forced to throw us an offense.It doesn't look good, so I think
these next four weeks will be atest. I really want them to give
him these reps, as bad asthey might be. And like didd he
said, the mistakes, they're okay. You know, it's okay to see
you know some of those things.But he needs the reps. And I'd

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rather get it out of the waynow and meeting less claims at the end
of the season and have a legup in twenty twenty three. That's what
I want to see. I wantto get jarre and auto tune set up,
and I want him to sing.I want to take my leatherwood down
the Oldtown road and ride for Ican't like a parody song. I think
I'm gonna write that for you.Jay Nice Chair wants to ride that leatherwood.

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That's what I found right him allthe way to hopefully it's starting right
tackle. I'm trying not to.I'm trying to even envision that maybe nice
bore him as a swing tackle.If you like what you have in Jones,

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I don't think you should hesitate toif one of the top offensive tackles
a build, well, I don'tthink it's a position you passed through the
two. I mentioned the Oh yeah, no, she's not good. I
heard, Oh my god, isputting enough better comparable stats than McGlinchey.

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Guys, you didn't know. Iwill say this that bar closes a lot
earlier than that when we used tobe involved. It's like a senior citizen
bar bullshit now. So that's allI'll say about that. Man. Like
just the quarterback variable at play therejust fwallows the statistics. I mean,
she doesn't doesn't have a quarterback thatruns twenty miles an hour to correct mistakes.

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Just a wild assertion there. ButI take mcglinchie all day. It's
come on, stop. I'd takeconklin too, and it kind of at
least get one of the top guys. I gotta get that interior fixed and
fixed consistently. And it starts atcenter. Patrick, Oh no, you'd

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rather see Leatherwood a tackle a guard. I'd like to see him. If
he's playing well at right tackle,let's keep him a right tackle. You
think you'd be a better guard,though, I mean, this is your
guy that, this is your think. He's attack deep in thought the tackle.
Would you be comfortable going to thenext season with Lucas Patrick as the

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starting center. Yes, oh,if he's healthy, Yeah, Sam Mustrafer
can be your back up. He'dbe a great back up. I just
you're gonna pay Sam. I mean, what is though, what is Lucas
Patrick shown this year that we wouldfeel the couple places he was in it
looked good. Yeah, it's sucha small sample size. I mean,
I'm if you're saying, hey,it's either this or Sam Musterfer, of

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course I'm taking Lucas Patrick. ButI guess what that's probably what it is.
The small sample size I saw,it was a big difference. I'm
just saying, if you have achance to get a top center, I
mean, hey, that line,I mean, oh sap size, saw

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biscuits, that line, That linelooked much more confident when Patrick stepped in.
That's what the practiced with most ofthe offseason. That's what they near
And then I was taken away.So anyway, hopefully they get it right.
Just just re build the trenches.Polls, that's all we need,

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like basically, the heart of theheart of the engine. That's all we
need. Ye, you just needthe heart that note. At least I
think we all can agree that wefeel we do have the quarterback. Yeah,
so far right, so far,so good. Okay, I think

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he yes, I think he hasthe potential to be the guy. He
has to get better himself and theBears actually have to add and develop around
him for once. So definitely moreoptimistic now than I was. I'm not

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saying we he is that guy rightnow. I'm saying we feel like we
could see him being that guy,and that yeah, he's a guy.
It's at least worth building around rightnow. Not that many people are gonna
hear what we have to say anyway, but fuck, it's right, fuck
them all, wrap us up.I'd like to see Tyler Huntley here next

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year. That's a backup though,just saying yeah, and that's just another
episode of the Tailgate show. DuSandborn experience the Deep in the leather Wood
the bye week. Thank God,we've had enough. Have them way,

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it's gonna be a rough res ofthe year. I've had enough talking about it.