Vikings vs Bears recap and Lovie Ball comes through!

The Bears finished up their regular season with a 29-13 Loss vs the Vikings. Lovie came through in the clutch. We discuss the future of this Bears team.

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the bail Gate Show Show, andyou're saying, shot the Gate Show
Show. What's up? Everybody?Welcome to another episode of The tail Gate
Show, twenty nine thirteen. Asswhooping by the Vikings. But end of
the day and just that we wantedit to in a sense, man,

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because this offseason just got a littlemore interesting for us. Somehow. The
Texans came through and holy crap,Love, you actually beat the Colts.
Hey, he beat the Colts forus, all right, It happened a
lot later than we wanted too,Right, Love is the most clutch Bears
coach we've had in two years.I mean it was amazing. Right,
they get the touchdown at the end, they go for the two point conversion

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stick it and they hold the Coltswith fifty what was the fifty seconds left
or something like that? Man,So yeah, as bad as the season's
been. At least we get thereward of having the number one pick overall
in the draft. I mean,I've never just felt like I felt like
a fan that that was needed somany things to happen from my team to
get in the playoffs kind of vibe. But it was for the number one
draft pick, right, And I'mscrolling back and forth like crazy, bro,

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but like, yeah, I mean, at least we have some hope
this offseason for a rebuild. Wouldwhat better way to start than having the
first pick in the draft? Nineteenforty seven? Did they say so?
I believe? So that's what seventyfive, seventy six years it was what
we've had to pick what twice?And one of them chose to go become
an actor instead of joining our team. Yeah, but that was back in

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like so that draft was actually heldin ninety six, nineteen forty seven draft.
But okay, that was also ina day where they barely paid the
players or anything, man, likethey had Secon Day or forty seven.
You're talking about old Wars. Yeah, so, man, I don't think
I've been more excited all year thanthe end of that Texans game. I

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was. I was really committed tothe tank. At that point in time,
I yelled so loud. I thoughtI was gonna lose my voice.
Man. I thought he got theone pass and it's like, no,
I ain't completed. And then thebiscuits. You got Jersey? Huh?
I got the number one jersey.It's actually not fields though, it's just
the someone got me a number onejersey. I felt it was appropriate for

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the first overall pick. Sorry,go ahead, Jay, seeing it can
come open late. And then onthe two conversion he bobbles it. He
goes all the way down to hisdamn ankles, catches it and I was
like, yeah, we're actually gonnaget the number one pick. Lovey Smith
coming through in the clutch. It'scrazy. Yeah, that was crazy after

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we just had the whole conversation aboutlove you for like half the night the
night before, right, like right, it's just funny, man, But
like, yeah, mid so itwas Lovey Smith. Mid Can we say
he's not mid now? I don'tthink he was mid here. I'm not
comparing him to the rest of thenfl Our franch history. I think he
was a very gooch. I thinkwe would kill for Lovey Smith since Lovey

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Smith's been calling I wouldn't kill forthe lack of offensive mind running offense that
Lovey could never seem to really naildown. I mean I did go back
and look in two thousand and sixand two thousand and ten we had top
five offenses and points score both.There's years. It's just so happened that

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those were the only two years thatwe had offense out of the nine years
he was here. Well years twothousand and six we were with the Rex
Girlsmend Thomas, Joe and Bears,and then twenty ten and we were on
track to be a top five scoringoffense. The year that Jay threw that
pick and got hurt broke. Ithink at Burkes Thumb on the attack of

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the Chargers game, I think atthat point we were like number four and
points scored. I mean there wastimes it just was never consistent. So
what did you guys think of thegame itself today? I mean, it
was nice to see our first stringdefensive line just gets smoked the whole game.
Yeah, they would they again,they were showing effort. It's just

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they were also showing the fact ofthe lack of talent this team has.
I mean, they did not.They don't get consistent pressure as far as
the d line. Um, itwas nice to see some consistent quick game,
even though neither quarterback was impressive inthe whole scheme of things. But
like there was at least there wereguys in all that. Guess it was

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anything. I mean, Las hada game. Yeahselves, don't to what
we've seen. Justin prest of theway he stayed and bounce. It's in
present the way he's actually at leastprogressing right justin Jones actually did set a
personal best for tackles for loss forhis career. No, that's wow,

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pony coming out of the woodwork.Oh no, no, that's a Johnny
Ac. I was on the road, so my days here are numbered.
No, they are not. Youare well entrenched, my friend. But
yeah, Johnny I actually said thaton the radio broadcast, was kind of
driving back forth. So, um, I thought it was interesting the way

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they rotated. Guys, were youall surprised by that? That Tim Boyle
got a little bit of run.You got to right, He's like,
God, Jesus, how the fuckare we talking about this? No,
I mean it is kind of weird, right, Like you think that would
have happened and your break normally quarterbackand that day and keep him in.

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So I guess it's a little bitodd, but it was pretty much shit
either way, right, like thinkand I just thought at first, when
I saw a boil come out inthe field, I'm like, oh damn,
did Peterman get hurt? I justthought it was odd that they decided
to rotate those two guys, asif they wanted to get a look at
both if there's a chance to behere next year, or I was marked.

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I was considering they were just watchingthe score the king Texans Colds game
and they're like, all right,let's throw a boil. Bohmp, here
we go. You know what Imean for the for the interceptions. So
but yeah, I mean why itbrought up Monty in the chat, This
could have been this could have been. Ah, Monty's last game is a

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bear? Oh no, what arewe gonna do without your twenty one yards?
I don't know. Sorry, messagesthat were on think shoppy, damn,
we have to call me out.It seems it seems a little choppy

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no no, which seems fun tome. I'm my end, but oh
shit, Okay, I'm just sayingit's it's not that I'm not a fan
of David Montgomery. Yes he runshard, Yes he brings a certain leadership
aspect to the team, But Imean he has one game this season over
one hundred yards and it happened inWeek two. I do think Herbert's a
better fit for the system. Andas much as I do like David Montgomery

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the person, I just think weneed to get a little bit more explosive
back there, and an offseason wherethere's going to be short on free agent
wide receivers and the draft is nosure thing. That's a position with a
lot of depth and free agency thatwe can add to and just get a
little bit more dynamic back there.It's also to you guys and your thoughts
all day, Abner, ain't itNo, But if you don't sure up

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your old line, if you upgradea lot on the offensive line, like
Monty is a good path, he'sa he's good at blocking. That's the
one thing Herbert really needs to getunder his belt because he's a liability as
a blocker. But it's I mean, it was, in all fairness the
Monty too, the way Justin wasrunning. I mean, God, Monty's

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a guy that gets better with morecarries, So this that's true, that's
true to your point. He onlyhad seven today, so that's true.
Right, yeah. I mean they'rerunning him like Naggie did, but like
then, he's watching the quarterback tickthe runs that he could potentially have if
things were working correctly, So hecould had a much bigger season if it
wasn't for what we had to doto not get Justin killed basically, and

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if the offensive line could run blockthat also might help. But so some
other things in the game, LikeI said, Velis, that was impressive.
I'm glad that he's showing more impactand though it's not like top of
the league performance, but for him, he's at least trending in the right
direction, which is important because hehad some issues that some guys it would

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ruin them, right the drops.Some guys don't get over that ship.
Like he seems to have bounced backand and something something's clicked. So that's
a positive because he was drafted fairlyfairly rich, I think for who he's
been this season, but it's goodto see him contributing. Are you are
you worried that it's clicked? WithNathan Peterman and not justin Fields. No,

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yeah, him and Veils we're gettinggoing. The week before, I
mean not wanted to see. Buthe had a big catch Fields, Yeah,
I mean yeah it fields to him, that forty yard bomb. Jare
I mean when he had what onecatch today and one carry? Yeah the
carry Carrie was the touchdown? Yeahthat catch. That game was cold as

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hell, right, So anyway,I mean it's we were dogging on him
most of the season, so it'sgood to finally see him turning, turning
in a different direction. Yeah,because the more the merrier at this point,
right when you guys a contro ofyou. So good game for Vannis
Cole was Cole had a good Ithink had a pretty good game all things

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considering. Absolutely he needed ten moreYou need ten more catches to get to
sixty. I just didn't get there. Oh is that the over under that
we set at the beginning of theyear. I mean, in all fairness
to Cole Commet, it's not evenhis fault that he didn't hit the sixty
if we're being honest. I mean, come on, I mean, if

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we did a Monty like run attemptprojection in the beginning of the season,
we'd be way the fuck off,way off. Yeah, I agree,
you know so, but uh,I'm trying to think of some other positives
here. I believe, are youworried about Brisker Strom had an interest in
That's not name that I bring upto me, so, former Washington commander,

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I'm not worried about Brisker. Hedefinitely hit a little bit of the
rookie wall here, uh, lastcouple of weeks, but I think overall
he's going to be a solid,fine player. He nearly got a pick
earlier in the game that no.I think for a rookie to step in
without the front seven, that thatneeds to be in this defense, and

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that that really hasn't been. Andwe've had linebacker play that's been impressive at
times, right with Sanborns stuff,but as a whole unit, the defensive
line in the linebacking corps has beensubpar. So. The fact that we
saw the bright spots from Brisker wedid this season is a good thing,
you know what I mean. Ithink I think we found the perfect compliments

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safety for Eddie. So I'm goodwith the season. Defense miss Eddie Jackson
more than Eddie Jackson made himself somemoney by not playing. I believe he
means he mean the defense, Yeah, that process the way you said it,

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Jaire, But yeah, no,I think I don't. I mean,
I don't know if necessarily he's madehimself some money, but I definitely
think he showed that his stability inthe secondary did go a long way.
Absolutely, But I don't. Imean, I still think that's probably a
guy they maybe look to reduce thatcap figure in twenty three. I know

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we've talked about it in the threadmultiple times about is he a cap casualty?
I think did he kind of nailedit having Brisker finally as the compliment
to Eddie Jackson and then jare youtying in the fact that in his absence
these last couple of games, we'vewe've kind of seen the impact that that
he brings with the camp space available, he's one hundred percent of guy that's

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coming back, and I would justpay him at that point or even how
many eight games to Eddie play?Was it, oh twelve total? I
mean, that's the only the onlyway I guess you could like quantify the
fact that he made more money isthat if you divide a salary by nine
games, Jerry, I guess becausehe didn't play the full season or eleven

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or I don't. Well, no, I don't think he earned more money
because he's already he's one of thehighest paid safeties in the league now,
so I don't intel under contracts.So that that okay, Maybe I should
have stated his value. Maybe weas fans understated his value. And no,

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Ja, I think you're right though, in a sense, like prior
to the season, Eddie Jackson wassort of trending downwards, and I think
this season of ye correct. Yeah, so instead of looking like a cap
casually, this year he's looking likea guy that will be one of the
few remaining holdovers from this defense.I mean, I think Eddie was the
most improved on this team. Ido agree with that from the season before

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anyway, the whole Yeah, mostimproved. Yeah, I'd probably agree with
that overall. Yeah, he was. He was on pace interception wise to
be considered for the Pro Ball ifhe kept trending in that direction. He
was, he was hitting hard,he was taking on the responsibility of being
a captain, stepping up. Hefound he kind of around off the field,

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right. He had some shit happenedthat threw him off. I think
it's been nice and refreshing because we'reseeing the Eddie Jackson that we're waiting to
see. Yeah, exactly so,the fact that he bought in and this
is a more physical, more demandingtype of type of defense here, I
think I think it's im I'm happywith Eddie put out there, and I
think that he deserves to be kindof commended for getting himself right and and

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uh yeah, I think he hada pretty good season until he got hurt.
So and he's still not a greattackler, but you at least saw
the effort this year. He waswilling to put put put his hat on
on a on an offensive player thisyear, where before he just sort of
give a little shoulder bump. Notjust that you see him putting guys in

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position to make plays. That's that'sinterstated thing where guys are kind of I
think you saw it today with ElijahHicks, you know, kind of scattering
or stammer back and just not beingin position and not knowing where to go
at times. We don't have aslack channel, so just let you in
on some inside inside discussion. Thecomment was made in our chat today that

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Elijah Hicks is a future star.Can we delve deeper into that evaluation?
I think, thank you, guysboth know that that's an inside joke.
Oh yeah, I'm gonna leave it. I'm gonna leave it at that.
We also heard Claypool sucks and itwasn't by anybody on the screen right now,

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So let's talk about that. Sonow, now that the draft order
has been finalized, that at ourpoint, yeah here, oh god dude.
Second overall, how do you guysfeel about that? Now? When
the trade went down, I washappy, especially the fact that we got
him not to get to the packers, right like at that point in the

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season, I was fine with it. Man, Like the crystal ball bro
that's almost like a late first rounder now, yep. Essentially, value
wise, it's not too far offthe last pick in the first round,
you know what I mean? Like, well, since Miami got stripped of
their first round pick this year,you know, there's only thirty one first

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round pick, so technically it ispick thirty two. Any other year that
would be a first round pick valuewise, But I still, you know,
in hindsight, yes, the valuetrade off has been horrible, But
I still think at the time Polesdid make the right decision looking at a
very weak free agent class, knowingthat you had to somehow add another weapon
for Justin Fields and his development,and Claypool had what two years prior to

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this year of eight hundred plus yards, had like ten eleven touchdowns as a
rookie, had shown those flashes.I think it's not unfair to say that
he would have provided you more productionright out of the gate than a rookie
second round pick. And at thetime I did not disagree with it,
and obviously now it looks a lotworse, but another full offseason with him

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here, I think maybe we're talkingabout this maybe being a little bit less
of an overpay, albeit probably stillone. Yeah, I don't think you're
going to get a rookie wide receiverat that spot that the draft spot we
would be in in the second roundto come in have NFL experience. I
think there's still a shot for Claypoolto be a very productive receiver here wide

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receiver. Two's my ceiling on them, But that's fine, right because that
feels and I think I think Mooningcould be I think Mooning could be special
if we have an old line thatthat can hold up special really special.
Yes I do. I mean likelike special, like wide receiver one type

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special wide receiver to a but onehere, Okay, do you know I
may be much productive if if welab a little more, just a little
more time, oh vice versa two. I mean, it's let's be real,
it's not just clay I don't wantto be an excuse maker, but

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it's not just Claypool here. Imean he came into the season, you
know, halfway through the amount oftimes that we actually passed the ball a
few and far between. The linecan hold up enough for these guys to
get open at times. He doesn'thave anybody on the opposite side of the
field that's taken the pressure off ofhim. Now that Mooney has been hurt,
So in theory, if Mooney comingback healthy, maybe that'll take some

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of the pressure off of Claypool.It's just a variety of factors as to
why it's not worked out for himand that production's not there. And again,
I just I want to wait andsee with a full off season and
how much better we get up frontto really judge that trade fully and we
can make jokes about Clay Will notpicking up the system and stuff, but
at the same time, like gets, he did say when he got this

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job that he'd be coaching to hisplayers strength. If this is Gets coaching
to Claypool's strength, I don't feelhe's succeeded with that. I think you're
right. I think you're right,Diddy. I think you're correct too.
And I think the quarterback position hasn'thelped him out necessarily either, regardless of

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what position. You know who wasin that position Peterman, I mean he
did. He did have a lotof production with Roethlisberger. But yeah,
yeah, it's justin safe. You'vegot the number one pick, you're the

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GM. Do you feel like JustinField's a safe QB one starter? Hm?
Did he want to go first?Well? No, I mean I
don't know. For me, Justinis definitely He's still my dude, right.

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I still think he can get better. I still think that he has
more. He has he has thearmed talent, he has the smarts.
But did you watch the Indiana game? Gotcha? He's and he's a dynamic
athlete, and I think the factthat they he's put that out there is
a good thing. Going forward,because now teams aren't going to be able
to press as much. They're gonnabe a little more aware that this kid

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can break one, right, SoI think everything's there for him to develop
as a passer. I think it'sstill worth training back in the draft keeping
Justin. I think Justin has aton of potential. I don't think that
we're at that point right now wherewe feel like he's never going to develop
as a pastor. There's too muchEven in college he was, he was
a good pastor. There's too muchstill there that we know he can do

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that. So if pulls worded,I mean pulls word to feel that Bryce
Young was the most generational thing he'sever seen. It's kind of wild because
how many times is the gym goingto be in this position? If he
never fields, wasn't his guy,he was just this was on a trial
basis, and he feels that BryceYoung is everything he wants in a quarterback.

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I personally don't want to see it. I don't want to watch another
quarterback try to develop. I thinkJustin is gonna, potentially if he develops
on the path that everybody thinks he'sgoing to, including myself. He could
be a top ten quarterback in thisleague, but I don't know. I
mean, nobody has a crystal ball, right brace down could be a bust
too. I mean we've seen thisscenario before too, you know what I

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mean, the first quarterback taking.I think the parts around justin don't help,
you know what I mean. It'slike you don't have a very good
offensive line. I think three yearsare and believe it. You can say
what you want about potential, butreally right now they're med'. That's a
med to lower card receiving corps thatwe're going to trot out there again next

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year because he he got paid andClaypool's gonna get paid. He's already under
contract. Well Claypool, yeah,but he's on a on a rookie pay
scale, so his contract next yearisn't that big. I think the bigger
decision is based on what you've seenthis year. You have a limited window
to evaluate him and decide if you'regoing to pay him big money. Right,

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and Byron Pringle also is under contract. And I also think we're impatient,
right, We're still we just wantthat quarterback, and absolutely we don't
like we just want that quarterback andI feel the organization has failed Justin all
right, So it's not all it'snot all on him, But I thought
I thought he would be a guythat regardless of what was around him,

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and it's it's almost an impossible feat. But I thought when we drafted him,
this was that kind of guy thatcould that could complete that impossible feat
and make the offensive line better andmake the wide receivers better, like make
names out of people that you riseabove the ship. Yeah, I thought,
I thought, I thought, yousure. But even with I thought,

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despite Naggie, he would have rightoff the right out of the gate,
like and we want it so badthat I think sometimes we also become
impatient. Justin's still young, He'sstill got a ton of potential. I
don't know. If I don't know, if you reset the clock on developing
another QB and moving on from Justin, I don't think think it makes sense.
I just don't. So. Ithink I think we get a king's

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ransom for that pick bro and putin just hopefully Post puts in work.
I'm pretty much with Diddy on thisone. I mean, it did go
ahead. Jared, you're the HoustonTexans. Are you moving up? Are
you staying put. Now we're talkingabout Texans, So let's let's let's go
back to you know, has Justindone enough? Ro are we taking a

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quarterback? So I'm just saying,like I think, regardless of how far
along do you think Fields is inthe passing game, And make no mistake,
he does need a lot of work. Yes, the Bears need to
get better around him, but Justinneeds to get better as well. I
think all correctable, and I thinkhe's shown enough flashes this year where you

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should at least explore that a littlebit further. But even if you don't
think necessarily Justin's going to get thereas a passer, I think you'd take
a look at this roster. Weare dead last in sacks given up.
What's the count now? Sixties sixtyone after today we were it was fifty
five going into today, and Idon't have today's numbers. Broke the single

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season sack record on being sacked.Well that was for the Bears. No,
No, his sack sack rate washigher than David car was in the
seventies. Yeah, Car was inthe seventies, but the percentage of games
played they broke it. The routas opposed to and how many dropbacks as
well? Right, Um, Butso regardless if you think Justin's gonna get

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there as a passer, or Ithink you look at this roster and where
it's at and you're dead last insacks given up and you're dead last in
sacks along the defensive line, youneed to rebuild both of these trenches.
And I do not understand what goodit does from a roster building standpoint to
take a high round, first roundpick, top five and draft a quarterback

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and dropping him in this in thissituation in the last ten years, here
are the quarterbacks drafted in the topfive. Blake Bortles, Jamis Winston,
Marcus Mariota, Jared Goff, CarsonWentz, Mitch Trubisky, Baker Mayfield,
Sam Darnold, Joe Burrow, MurrayKyler, Murray To, Tygler, Viola,

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Trevor Lawrence Wilson Lance. Sounds likescouting's getting better, doesn't it.
So it's what it tells me iseverybody the arguments always is, is,
well, when's the lot? Youknow, when are you going to be
up there again? You need topull that trigger on if you want to
get a top flight quarterback. PatrickMahomes was drafted at what ten? Josh
Allen was drafted I believe at sixor seven. Yeah, But if you

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listen to the names that you justrattled off right as you went further along,
the more consistent they got besides Wilson. So like I think the scouting
is getting a little more consistent atquarterback, is what that's telling me a
little bit. I think there's twoguys on that list, Joe Burrow and
Trevor Lawrence unless you want to includeKyler Murray, that are good quarterbacks.
Jared Goffs is a quarterback. JaredGoff's a good quarterback, yes, but

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would you consider him a franchise quarterback? Is that? Is that that Jared
Goff's I don't think a guy thatI think it's going to build around long
term. I think good quarterback thatcan start and be consistent. Getting that
out of the draft as a successin my opinion. So if you draft,
if it's not a total bus,if it's a guy that could win
you games and put you in theplayoffs and be competitive, like, I

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don't think it's a bad draft pick, no matter. But if the Bears
drafted Jared goff at one. Wouldyou feel sort of disappointed by that?
Not really, you wouldn't he?Probably you, probably everybody. Of course,
I say you always kind of framethis into the perspective that it's not
because we're so fucking bad. I'mjust saying I think a lot of your

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top quarterbacks, you're Herbert's your yourhome fucking Watson bro. It's on my
TV. Sorry, go ahead,touchdown, Watson m Sorry. Point being,
I don't think we necessarily need atop five pick to get your quarterback
of the future. And I justthink this team has so many holes.

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We're not we haven't even talked aboutthe lack of depth on this team.
We need to replace twelve thirteen starters. So I don't see dropping a quarterback
in this situation as being the smartmove from a roster building standpoint. I
would continue to build around Justin andif he doesn't pan out to be the
guy, you pull the trigger downthe road. Yeah, because the record,
the record will represent that he can'tget it done. Correct. There

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you go. But I like you'vealways preached into our chats is that you
need to build this thing from theinside out, and I totally agree with
that. You got to build itwith the defensive line. You gotta build
it with the offensive line. Andit starts. You know, can you
take a guy at one, Canyou trade down? Can you get more
picks, which we're gonna have awhole offseason that we can sure? Yeah,

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And I think you've got free agentsthat you can you can bring in
to help build that. That's onboth sides of the ball. The trenches.
Unless everything, I'm sure there's gonnabe that cycle. Everybody starts getting
franchise tagged right, but when thedust settles, I think there's some solid
names out there so far that couldI mean, there's nobody on our road

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as far as the trenches, there'senough. There's enough talent right now as
of now where you could set yourselfup where you can draft best player available.
Correct. I agree with that.I think the whole the goal of
free agency this year, like mostyears, should be to implement to where
you can get into position. Whenyou go into the draft, you have
flexibility. You're not necessarily locked intoone position of need. So I think

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did he put that very well?I would agree, and it's it's this
could be. I mean, therecould be bigger change on the horizon,
especially with thank God the end ofTed Phillips, thank you. Did you
hear them thanking him on the TV? Bro like accomplishments And I'm like,
well, you gotta be shitting me. Thank you for this style, thank

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you for your royal sweatiness. Bro. Yeah, like everybody's bears fans so
that that they don't have any conceptof I guess it's broadcasting. Are Like
when they showed that, we werelike fireworks, bro, Like thank you
bye, Felicia, Like you madehim a lot of money, Ted,
Now it's time to actually win fo. Yeah. But with that saying that

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and a new team president is goingto come in here, the direction could
shift dynamically from now until draft time. Yeah, because we really don't know
what Ryan Poles is looking for.We we knew that he he took over
a team and had to work withwhat was here, right, we don't
know what he's thinking going forward.We don't know what his vision was going

(30:15):
have eating when he got hired.So it's gonna be interesting, it's gonna
be entertaining. There's gonna be alot of speculation, but at least the
offseason is a lot more enticing nowthat this went down the way he did
today. Well, the first rumoredpresidential candidates the Warren from the Big Ten.
Correct, Yep, Warren, that'sone of the top, the biggest

(30:37):
names. That's the biggest. Yeah. Like, and then they brought some
bum from the freaking Cubs instead oflike going after the big dog, THEO,
like bring that's the Oh, theybrought a Cubs guy in. I
didn't hear that. He was likethe marketing something brags would know because I
don't follow the Cubs. But he'sthe only name I want to hear from
that organization is THEO. Like,that's that's the level we should be looking

(31:02):
at. I think the O oneday is gonna be a Baseball commissioner because
I think he's just that. Yeah. I mean he's a guy that's proven
that he knows how to ternizations aroundtwice broke two curses. I'm just saying
I think he can make the transitioneasily. But yeah, turning the Big

(31:22):
Ten, I mean he does that. He's done a lot there, He's
made them a lot of money.He's he's he's responsible for he had a
lot of responsibility for Minister State too, so stat and building, bringing in
the USC and UCLA um into theBig ten. And he's a sports businessman

(31:47):
and that's fine, that's what weneed, right And this this allows the
organization to have a flow chart nowbecause you don't have your boy from thirty
years in the organization that has somuch dirt on you that you're not going
to shake him at all. Nowyou're bringing in a new president. Now
you can say that the GM ison this path. Right. You both

(32:07):
answer to me, but you arein charge of football operations, like as
far as the players and all that, like the heat. Now they can
div you things out. And Ithink also, I also think he's going
to play this this higher is goingto be rather significant because let's say we
get a year or two down theroad and this rebuild is not rebuilding,

(32:29):
and let's say there is a moveto be made where Ryan Poles has to
go, you know, instead ofhaving Ted Phillips in your ear and Soup
Campbell and Tunisia Wade and some ofthese other people. You know, ideally,
you're a new president of the teamis going to collaborate with George McCaskey
to make that next decision on ageneral manager. So I mean looking at

(32:52):
it now unless Ryan Poles is theguy. I think this, this higher
for president is is pretty damn importantfor the future of this organization for the
foreseeable future, because at some pointin time that that president is going to
have a role in hiring somebody.Absolutely, you gotta get a guy that's

(33:12):
level headed and willing to make toughdecisions. But this is at least a
more of a football guy than Phillipswas. This is a guy that's shown
that he can make things better inthe football world. I would I would
take my dog before I'd take anotheryear of Ted Phillips making a hiring decision.
So yes, an actual football guywould be very very nice, right,

(33:35):
Yeah. I mean another name I'dlike to hear brought up and brought
in his own, Markahn. Thatwas a guy that from the from the
Steelers. Like he got the gigin Pittsburgh, didn't he He got the
general manager job by title. Idon't know how their whole their systems a
little different like they had to,but he, uh, he was just
a name that was floated out andI mean I remember thinking, Okay,

(33:58):
yeah, we'll give him Phillips job, and then higher the GM. You
know what I mean, that's thekind of level that guy could be.
And he's coming from an organization wherehe saw it run as one of the
most consistent shit a lot of years, you know what I mean? So
name, i'd like to hear itdoesn't I don't. I'm not going to
pretend to know much about that levelagain, executive Once again, the Steelers

(34:23):
have finished above five hundred. MikeTommelin definitely not mid No. No,
that point in the chat was hedidn't he was I didn't name names in
my lifetime. I don't know ahead coach that set up better though.
That was Cowers team. That waslike he got Cowers assistance, Like that

(34:46):
was a pretty successful organization to inheritright, especially keep you got Dick lebau
Bro Like that's hard fame coaching defense. But he's also kept it going now
for like thirteen fourteen years. Yeah, but what a foundation to start off
with. He he learned he hadthe same GM in place that that had

(35:07):
a track record to bring in likea nice rotation of talent for that organization.
So that stuff helps. Yep.Yeah, that was not definitely not
your typical hiring bringing a guy into save a dumpster fire franchise. I
mean that that thing was laid uppretty nicely for him. Um, he

(35:27):
has struggled a little bit hiring offensivecoordinators. I know a lot of people
in the Pittsburgh area do not likeMatt Canada at all. And I think,
you know, Todd Haley sort ofrubbed people the wrong way even though
he was a decent play caller.Yeah, and it's tough, tough too,
because now he's trying to find hisdefense and the ends retired. Like
Ben, Ben was backyard football bro, so you had your system right,

(35:47):
but like it broke real quick withBen. He made things. He made
things happen, like extending plays alot. So like they're now, they're
trying to find out who they wantto be. You just got you just
got over losing Hall of in quarterback. True. I think he saw a
young quarterback grow up today in Pittsburghtoo, from what I saw. Even
those stats don't look the best.Yeah, he's got wee little hand stuff.

(36:12):
Yeah, I'll tell you what.He threw a strike to tight end
right down the middle and between twocovered as like damn, I mean to
go nine and eight with Kenny's smallhands Picket and Mitch Rubisky. I think
that's a hell of a coaching jobby Thailand this year. And I also
have some breaking news, breaking punternews, breaking news, Chicago Bears breaking

(36:38):
trent Or Guill. Trenton Guill finishedhis first NFL season with a net punting
average of forty point three yards,the third best in franchise history. Trenton
Gill. Oh yeah, punt jesus. I mean, hey, a bright

(36:59):
spot, A bright spot this yearfor a guy who's got He's the best
freaking draft pick out of the draft. It's the rookie of the year for
the Bears. Minus Brisker. He'snot a good job holding holding on on
kicks too. Um might be fora new new kicker next year, but

(37:22):
shout out another one. Yeah,Now, now I am a little concer.
I mean, you were talking aboutfreaking scoring. We scored thirteen points
with Nathan Peterman and Tim Boyle.What is there really really else to discuss
I was about I was about tosay Trent gil is the best player on

(37:44):
the field, just because that's likethat game was just so brutal, but
it was so it was so Bearsin a sense too, because like it
was like one of the worst seasonsI can remember, record wise, Like
it's just officially the worst, isn'tit. We haven't lived through a first
round pick, boys, Like,I'm sorry, the number one pick in

(38:06):
the draft. Sure, Like thisis a first in our lifetime. Yeah,
I think they solidified the franchise's worstwinning percentage because we went We've gone
three and thirteen, but now threeand fourteen is a new new low.
We did it, boys, wedid it number one. Like we're really
celebrating being the worst team in football. Let's see where we're on our fandom.

(38:30):
But hey, I was told thatthere was no shot in hell this
team was gonna be amongst one ofthe worst, That we had sneaky good
talent, that we had an upgradeat coaching. Oh, we had Debo
Lights. Justin was gonna become himthis year with four thousand yards. I

(38:52):
think he just over half. Right, it sucks to suck, but we
got the number one pick in thedraft. So like a lot of times
when we felt like we sucked,after the season was over, we were
so mid that like we would knockourselves. Yeah, like fourteen was like
a good pick, you know whatI mean? Like I posed this question

(39:13):
to Year in our chat, doyou think Getsy has regressed Justin's passing more
than he if, say, ifNaggi hadn't that crew would have coached him.
Oh what did he take that one? First? I mean, I
think that Getsy's gets put him ina good position because running the way he

(39:36):
did it should open up the passinggame more. But it also that also
was another indictment on getsy man,because I'm not impressed with him as a
play caller as much as I'm nothappy that Justin didn't become take more strides
as a pastor like I thought hewould. Right, he did show improvement,
it's just not it's not happening onthe passing satis fast as I thought

(39:57):
it would. But gets he wasbrought here to do that. I mean
just because he was around Aaron Rodgers. And this is the lot of teams
make. Just because the dude wasaround a dude doesn't mean he's the dude.
Like you're with Aaron Rodgers. Howmany coaches when that dude was already
the day while Rogers gets people hired, but like what do those people do?

(40:20):
Like we've seen so many coaches leavethere and not so many, but
maybe like four off the top ofI mean Philbin macadoo. Hackett getting some
big opportunities and was actually questioned aboutif he thought there'd be some coaching movement
on his There's just something the effectthat he needs to go back and look

(40:42):
and re reevaluate and reassess when youhave when you have an elite quarterback,
like makes a lot of people lookbetter there for a reason, right,
Like they make everybody look better.They make go they make players, or
they make line and look better becausethey're helping them out with the way they're
running the offense right there. They'rethe pace set or they're the point guard.

(41:05):
Like so when elite one may peopleeat off that. I hope you
seems like, I mean, areyou fine? Are you fine with Getsy?
Do you think he's on? It'snot something that could potentially be upgraded.
Oh, I think Getson could absolutelybe upgraded, right And I actually
think that we saw more passing prowessout of justin last year than we saw

(41:32):
this year. All right, Imean you were brought they relied too much
on it. I'd like, maybethey relied too much on his legs.
I mean they're passing stats are thepassing stats are similar. And I think
Justin play started what three less gamesthis year? I mean, I think
I can. I'm gonna I'm gonnaknock our GM right because he knew damn

(41:54):
well. When you bring in defensiveminded head coach, he's he is a
defensive mind, right, or OCbecomes And a lot of instances now in
the league, when you have ayoung quarterback, you have an offensive minded
head coach. Right, that havebeen the through the month. This high

(42:15):
was very important and this is whopulls shokes to bring in to bring Justin
along, and it had him highestsecond highest sack record rate or whatever it
is. Dude got hit fifty fivetimes. Is it all on the offensive
line though? Did Justin hold themalong at times? I don't? All
of it? Right? All ofit on whose desk gets He's right?

(42:38):
You were brought here to help thisteam improve, to help this quarterback come
along. I know the talent levelwasn't there, Bro, but that this
is what you were brought here todo. When you didn't succeed, you
think, do you think from anoffensive coordinator perspective, if his year was
successful? No, because I thinkJustin's athleticism sprinkled sugar on a ship pile.

(43:00):
I think that like, you can'tdesign a fifty yard quarterback run,
bro, you can design a runlane like where to go with it at
the beginning of a run play.But a dynamic athlete like Justin, Justin
pulling away and dodging three defenders reallyisn't a Getsy thing. It's it's a
Justin thing. Everybody like, yoh, look at what gets he's doing with

(43:21):
Justin, Like no, just doingthat like he's that athlete right, Like
so, I don't know. Ihave a lot of questions about Getsy.
I would not be upset. Theyfelt they wanted Jim. They don't want
Justin to have to learn a thirdlike a third syste this third year.
But as the resident Getsy defender inthe thread and on the pod, I

(43:43):
don't think anything of what did hejust said is unfair. Um. Yeah,
I think over the last six sevenweeks of the season, I think
he has trended downward. Uma.I probably gave him maybe a little too
much credit for flexing the offense andletting just to run. But after having
a stubborn coach for four years inMatt Nagee. It was refreshing to see

(44:05):
a guy put his offensive system tothe side and make it work to what
these players do best. But thenhe lost sight of that throughout the season,
you know, bringing Claypool in here, Okay, he doesn't. He
doesn't know the playbook well, developdevelop a package of plays to get Claypool
involved that he can learn, youknow, flex even more. And I
just feel like over the last sixseven weeks he didn't really do that.

(44:28):
So as much as I would personallylike to see a second season of Luke
Getzy and justin Field together, Ithink maybe having some of that continuity with
some infusion of more talent upfront andon the outside around both of those guys.
You know, I do believe coachescan get better. I believe play
callers can get better. This ishis first season call him plays, and

(44:52):
he certainly has to get a lotbetter, don't get me wrong. But
if the opportunity became available to goout and and get a hell of a
play caller, maybe if Mike McDaniel, for whatever odd reason, according to
that report, if he gets fired, if there's a clear cut upgrade available
and you feel like it's worth leavingbehind that continuity of a second season between

(45:15):
coach and quarterback, then I thinkyou do it. I don't think he
has certainly done anything this year whereit should be viewed as irreplaceable. Rogers
just got sacked by like five dudes. Sorry, go ahead, pause,
but no, genuinely I agree withDiddy. I think, yes, the
talent thing, he was asked tocome in and make something work with not

(45:38):
a lot there, and I thinkthere was times where he did accomplish that,
and I think there was a lotof times where he didn't do these
guys any favors and put them inpositions to succeed. So again, if
there's a clear cut upgrade, yeah, I'm fine with that, but part
of me does would like to seethat continuity continue for a second season between

(45:59):
him and Justin Pony. Yeah,I'm just looking at some of the comments
in the chat. Sorry. BK brought up that he doesn't feel that
Pulls chose Ebraflus, which everything reportedright if it's like interesting, but it's
conspiracy theory at best right now,because everything reported was that he actually went

(46:20):
against the Green and did pick hisguy and the old man that they hired
him why am I losing names?Now? The old John No, no,
no, the guy they had theconsultant, Oh, Polly wanted to
go in a different direction from allreports and this this is who Pulls felt

(46:42):
his guy was. Now that couldbe a sales pitch. Who the hell
knows. But I hope that's notthe case because they did it wrong again.
So b k is saying that thecommittee is the one that shoot,
that chose Ebraflus. The committee camedown the finalists from every from the electionary,
sounded like they we through. Theydidn't excessive. There was a pretty
long list of names. I thinkthey brought it down to so many names

(47:07):
like whatever, it was top tenor whatever. But who knows if that
so? What's Baka's feeling there?Is it that Poles was such a young
general manager that they wanted to pairhim like the Ryan pay situation Fluce isn't
even that established. I don't knowwhy you would do that. I agree,

(47:29):
do you know what I mean?He's the first time head coach too.
I would hope that this organization isn'tthat bad to allow that hiring process
to happen. Especially Poles wanted aguy like like Dable or like Peterson,
the coaches that happened to be inthe playoffs, two coaches that took teams
the bag wars is less impressive tome than the Giants because they spent a

(47:50):
lot of money and try to bringin receivers for Laurence. But like,
I just hope we didn't have thatmoment where we let Arian's type level of
coach at the door for our quarterbackis Brian Brian Davie. I think it
would have been great for Justin.Yes, you were talking about the offensive
line and stuff earlier. Today,they only gave up one sack. M

(48:15):
interesting. They also got the shortgame working a little bit. We saw
slants today for the first time inweeks. Imagine that. Okay, slants,
imagine that. Imagine that. Yeah, Bka the chat, it says
they searched coaches first and then generalmanagers. It was documented by reporters,

(48:36):
and I do think DK is correctabout that. I do think they did.
We all complained. No, no, I'm not saying you you were
disagreeing. I do think we allsort of complain. I know, at
least I dom the offseason that theprocess did seem to be a little bit
asked backwards that this committee was interviewingcoaches first, But I think that's just
the way the scheduling order kind ofworked out with some of those guys in

(49:00):
the playoffs and only being allowed Yeah, yeah, only some of those guys
only being allowed to interview certain weeksor they either or they had to wait
until their team was eliminated. SoI think that might have been why the
coaches were interviewed first, just sothey could have their notes on those guys.
But then Poles did bring back ina whole second wave. Yeah,

(49:22):
yeah, correct, So I tendto agree with Diddy BK. I do
think that Poles saw something in Ebraflusand they even did that. I think
it was on nineteen twenty Football Drivewhere he kind of talked about, you
know, he knew Ebraflus from Afar. They kind of talked a couple of
times, and when they got togetherand talked, they realized they had a

(49:42):
lot of philosophical, you know,opinions that they that they shared. He
didn't want anybody in the room withhim with the interview either, right,
correct, Yeah, it was justhim. He asked to do the interview
alone, and George and the committeeled him, So I do think he
settled on Ebraflus as his guy.I think he saw somebody. I think
Poles knew this is gonna be atotal tear down. So what did he

(50:05):
need? He needed a guy thatwas going to come in here and lay
a culture foundation where guys were goingto buy into it and they were going
to play hard. I think that'swhat Poles was looking for on this higher.
Oh he's accomplished that. The guysdid try hard. It was just
it was just talent level. Idon't, I don't not I'm not out
on anybody. I'm not out onI know there's gonna be and that just

(50:28):
did you watch? That was thattalent level. No, what I'm saying
is, don't put don't don't putyour heart on your sleeve on those mean
Twitter streets now because it's Bears offseason, bullshit, there's gonna be people that
turn on Justin. There's gonna bepeople that over hype him. It's gonna
be like this huge battle. I'mjust gonna show the high video I think

(50:50):
did did drop o bro Like allin all though, like hit, the
plays with his legs were electric,they were highlight real. Absolutely they were
it was, Yeah, I thinkthat well obviously I think Diddy agrees with
that too. Chair I mean,it's it's just it's not sustainable. And
that's the thing that sucks is hecomes out as a better passler than he

(51:15):
is a runner out of college,and we're so able and easily able to
you know, exploit that that secondstrength that he has, but it seems
like unlocking his top strength coming out. It's just something that we've obviously struggle
with so much, and it's frustratingbecause you know at some point he's going
to have to get there because therunning's not going to last forever. I

(51:38):
Mean, the thing is too wealways talk about fan how you want a
fan, so I can't really tellpeople how to act. I'm just trying
to prepare you emotionally for being onthose mean Twitter streets because like, yeah,
there's there's different steps to the fandom. There's the old school fans.
I mean, I'm approaching that nowin my life. I'm an older fan,
right, So like we're in adifferent mindset than these kids that did

(52:00):
and suffer through Jay Cutler, doyou know what I mean? Like that's
right, some of these dudes arecoming in that we could have got a
lot of people in the eighteen seasonwhen all the hype was there, Like
that's how fan bases build sometimes,And I just I think sometimes we're seeing
these people, like these kids thatare bill crazy hype because they want to

(52:22):
believe. So I don't faul tothe man like I do. Two,
I'm just trying to trying to putmyself in the mim because I've stomped somebody
at this position, so like I'mfullying on justin. I hope that they
just get things cleaned up around himso we can actually see him. The

(52:43):
clock's ticking now like it's year three. Yeah, right, you gotta you
gotta start and knowing literally it's solike right now, if the direction is
which I think it should be togo to continue with fields like they need
to. They need to strain thatshit out so they can get a fair
evaluation of them at this point.I agree. I agree whyat brought up
he was curious if we would haveliked Kevin O'Connell as a head coach for

(53:07):
us, And I think Kevin O'Connell'sdone a good job of having massive amounts
of talent on the field, Imean give us do we get your offensive
receivers? Do we get do weget your tight ends? Do we get
your running back? Then? Yeah, I mean there's a lot left on

(53:29):
the field. Granted there what twelveand four? I can't talk shit,
and I'm not talking shit, butI had to log out and log back
in just so I could personally putthis comment up here. So b K
says, no, the Bullshit Committeespend so much affter other candidates that they
told all GM candidates that they hadto choose from their three finalists or Lund

(53:50):
sand Pound saying, I think it'swhat he was going for. But b
K, none of us know that. You don't know that either none of
us were in that room when theyhold Ryan Maybe who was He was stuck
in Matt Naggy's play card room somewhere. And is BK a Ted Phillips Burner?
Is this confirmed? No, No, he's not. I'm just saying,

(54:15):
now, go there. The Bearsactually did that greasy fuck right?
True? They did. I mean, to be Ka's point, could I
see the Bears doing something like that? Yes, because that would be so
Bears. It would be that innept of a thing that I can believe
that they would do that. Butthe truth of the matter is, Teddy

(54:36):
bro, it's gonna be so nicetalking fact that he's not here. It's
so nice. I just think it'sone of those things that's so hard to
say definitively if it is or isn't, because we weren't there, We never
heard the conversations that took place behindclosed doors. And on either side absolutely

(54:59):
be he's getting getting hot anyways.Um Twitter argument, nice reference, Yeah,
the Hamilton reference. Absolutely. Wecould do a pot as a musical
sometimes just like sing our points andship. I've tried. It's not good.

(55:22):
Yeah, So I don't think thisoffice and will drag as bad as
I thought it was tonight. Doyou know what I mean? This ultimately
as as pathetic as it sounds,right because like we're celebrating this, this
means we're the worst team in football. But when you're I mean, when
you're down that low dive all theway down baby, and that's what we

(55:44):
did. It's all good though,because I not having that second round pick,
we have the number one overall pick. We have the opportunity, regardless
of what position Ryan wants to goon with the pick to pick the best
player that he feels a lot ofpressure that pick in the draft. This
is this is an important moment forour franchise going forward, new president,

(56:06):
number one pick, like you,this is a rebuild, Like what better
way to rebuild than having the numberone pick overall? Now you can get
more picks or million, or youcan bring in a franchise changing player if
you evaluated improperly. So that thisis a big moment in our in our
team's history and our fandom. Soit's going to be entertaining it at the
very least, I agree. Ithink it's also going to tell you a

(56:29):
lot about who Ryan polls this asa general manager, if he stays there
and takes a player, if helooks to trade out of that pick um.
You know, last offseason, Idon't think we really got a good
idea of who he is just becauseof how limited the resources were. So
the roster move potential was just notthere for him. Free agent signings aren't

(56:49):
there for him either, correct,I mean it just money he had to
he was forced to bargain bin shopand carry ninety seven million of dead cap.
He didn't have many picks to choosefrom, so it really was hard
to kind of GeTe of who heis. Did the dead cap out way
the money spent on active players?Yes it did, Yes it did.
I think the total was ninety sevenmillion dead cap, and I believe the

(57:14):
total committed that we actually paid toactive players was eighty something. Nice.
Fuck Ryan Pace, brod we're stillpaying Jimmy Graham. I mean it,
bro Ryan Pace ridiculous. Good God, he fucked this shit up bad,

(57:35):
really bad, and that's why nobodyshould be surprised that at this three and
fourteen season, I mean ja shoutout to jare He. I think you
nailed the record prediction to a tso thank you, thank you, thank
you, thank you. He togo Pony, Hey man, I'm gonna
thank you tomorrow. Pony. I'mgonna send you a thank you in the

(57:58):
mail. Maybe didn't post basket,you didn't post it on Twitter, you
didn't pin that tweet. Jair,You gotta put your thoughts out there,
bro. Look a look at WhiteCramer and the thread gloating about Duke Shelley
and and Kiris Tongat for Minnesota bronthem Minnesota is gonna get lit up in

(58:22):
the playoffs. Oh they're gonna beone and done. Icy Kirk is going
to melt in the playoffs. Yeah, they have first round giants, the
Giants, Oh, let's go fatJesus jes Then once you're in, you

(58:44):
just like totally stepped through the Giants. Bro, I don't know, I
don't know. I think I havethe Vikings taken that against the Giants too.
I think the Vikings just probably havea little too much for the Giants
to handle. But I mean theGiants say cowanking would be too much to
handle too, though. No,it's true, that's true. And and

(59:07):
and to Dabbl's credit, he reallyhas squeezed every outside of that roster,
including uh Daniel Jones. I meanhe's gotten everything out of impossible. Sorry,
Jared, Minnesota got there, getright today. That's us where where
everybody's get right. Yeah, thatcome on. We're no barometer for how
they're gonna fare the playoffs. Hellno, not this team, especially that

(59:28):
we didn't be a division opponent thisseason. Boys six, we beat the
Niners though, we got the ghostsplush splash and away blush splash. That's
what that's what we're like. Oh, this is gonna be a special season.
That Monsoon game had a lot ofpeople. Everybody fell for that man

(59:52):
three and four and then Dennis.It just seemed like in that that sports
moment where they captured the magic andeverything turned true. Yeah. I'll tell
you, though, there are someyoung quarterbacks that are not looking so sweet.
I mean, what do you dowith that situation in San Francisco.
In Nashville, I think you havean open competition between Brock Purdy and Trey

(01:00:16):
Lance. Obviously, Jimmy Garoppolo isa free agent and you're probably not bringing
him back. But I think it'sultimately it's a good thing for San Francisco.
You let Purdy and Trey Lance battleit out, and the loser is
a very cheap, affordable backup.One would be super athletic and have a
lot of high upside, high ceiling, and the other one is a steady

(01:00:37):
presence that you already know can comein and win you a couple of games
if needed. Tennessee, I thinkthey're clearly looking for an upgrade. I
think I mentioned that Jimmy Garoppolo couldbe a possible landing spot there. I
think Ryan Tannehill's probably going to moveon from him. I mean, that's
also something that we have to dealwith. We have to navigate all these

(01:01:00):
quarterbacks. Now that in a perfectin the most Bears way, you get
an offensive trying to deride draft youdon't have quarterbacks. No, I'm saying
that there are other teams that aregoing to take a look at these quarterbacks,
and the Bears have to be therefor every top three pro day,

(01:01:22):
all three quarters. By the way, was that I said? Sorry,
Lions just went ahead? Sorry,Oh no, not a problem, man.
What I'm saying is that you're You'restill gonna show a presence at all
these quarterback pro days because you wantto trick people into thinking that you're drafting
the quarterback even if you're not right. There has to be that the game,

(01:01:45):
oh pulls helped pulls us to justindown be like, listen, you're
the dude. We're just doing thisto gain leverage because if teams start legitimately
feeling like Price is your guy?What? No, what I'm saying is,
oh, the Bears are so inon Bryce, dude, that's it's
gonna pop out. It has towrite you're not doing your job if it
doesn't want teams to believe and giveup a king's fucking ransom for that pick.

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So it's gonna cause a shit stormon Bears Twitter prof you know.
Bill Polian also said that, youknow, regardless of positional need, general
managers and scouting departments evaluate every singledraft eligible prospect because even if you're not
in a position to take a certainguy, guys become free agents in three,

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four or five years and you willsometimes see them down the road.
So having that initial scouting basis issomething that all teams do, regardless of
position. Patriots and Packers scouted topquarterbacks when they had Brady and Rodgers in
their prime. Oh the overreaction todayfrom that crowd was, you know,
good Briggs or Bret Biggs really pushinga narrative there? Geez, if this

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this would not be going if itwas a Justin Yeah, the Justin jerker's
crew is already forming. It's likethe jerks, well, no, because
you got dudes that just one Ihate on everything he does. Very similar
to the Mitch the Mitch argument,right, you got the people on both
extremes, and then you got alot of fans like us sitting here like,
okay, the kids stuffs. Stuff'scorrectable, Like we're just trying to

(01:03:13):
be even keel and in the middleof it all, and they're both they're
both getting their voice put out thereon the Twitter sphere, so like the
comments just stick out to us becauselike God damn, Like, how can
somebody like be this blindingly faithful?Yeah, but it's it's gonna be especially

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I think a lot of them onTwitter, Jared, I think, Or
and Diddy, I think a lotof them are young still, so I
mean, you guys even have somesome a couple of years on me,
So you guys have added a littlebit longer than me. But I mean,
yeah, everybody fans differently, butat least fan from Berner like,
well, no, I mean,I just don't understand. I think there's

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this perception that if you're not atotal home that you're not a real Bears
fan. And it's okay to berealistic, it's okay to be a little
pessimistic because this the reality is thisfranchise and this team have done nothing to
deserve the benefit of the doubt forthe better part of the last thirty years.
Absolutely, So here's the scenario Iwant to throw out to you,

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and I know We're going to getinto draft stuff further along, but like,
must the trade up because they feelthat they're calling the Bears bluff,
right, you're not taking a quarterbackanyway that we'll treat. We'll trade up
at two and have to deal withall this bullshit, right, yeah,
and we take Will Anderson to junior. There, how you feeling, I'm

(01:04:42):
feeling good. I mean, basedon the limited amount of traff posit analysis
that I've done, it was eitherHammered or Jalen Carter. And I think
Will Anderson in the Bowl game solidifiedit for me. He looked like the
better player. Granted it's only onegame, but yeah, um yeah,
if we cannot get a Haul tomove down, I think Will Anderson Junior

(01:05:04):
is one hundred and ten percent thepick or Carter. Possibly. Carter looked
a little gast. He has beeninjured a lot of the year, correct,
So I mean I don't know.He also had what care? You'd
be happy with Carter one overall?No, I wouldn't. Okay, That's
what I'm saying. If you're holdinga gun to my head and we're gonna

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take a defensive player. The threetechniques the most important position on the defensive
period, point blank. It justis in this defense. That's correct.
It is the three technique. Yeah, but you don't draft the need.
You draft a better players you're taking. Yeah, I think I think you
have to. I mean, ifif the talent differential between you know,

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Will Anderson and and a bigger needat defensive tackle, you can't just reach
because of the need, That's howguys get fired. I would use.
Honestly, what I would do isI'd shot that motherfucker. I'd be like,
okay, ring ring Indianapolis. No, I hope that the hypothetical was
Sorry, dude, I think thehypothetical was that, what if that trade

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never develops? What are you doing? That's why I think one or the
other. The thing with him isI hope that the evaluation is that they
feel that he can play with hishand in the dirt consense consistently in the
NFL, because I think he's builtto be a better three four outside linebacker
than an outside linebacker in this defense. I think he would be more effective

(01:06:32):
in the three four. No,do we have breaking news? Love took
the l for us bro like hardOh he did? So do we hire
him as our defensive coordinator just tothank him. Yes, let me let

(01:06:54):
me say this real quick, AlanWilliams, thank you for your job.
Now get the fuck out. We'rebringing love are the listeners that for the
thirty people or whatever that download thepodcast try to the second verbally verbally Biscuits
on what you're hitting Let me letme tell you about this. I'm gonna
tell you this number one hundred ninelast week, what I had one hundred

(01:07:20):
and nine, one hundred and nine, what downloads trying to pick us some
football number one on nine party wassaying, like Lovey sis one hundred and
nine wins in his careers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So what Biscuits
is hitting on is there was acomment in the chat that Lovey just got

(01:07:41):
fired. So look, I thinkyou know, Lovey obviously got his fair
shake here. In my opinion,he got nine years. Yes, after
getting fight or ten win season.It kind of kind of stunk, But
I got why they moved on.I thought it was time to move on,
um. But to be offered thatjob in Houston and to be given

(01:08:01):
by far the worst or second worstroster in the league, and to only
be given the one season, Ijust feel like he did get kind of
a raw deal there. I thinkhe got a raw deal in Tampa Bay
when his offensive coordinator got promoted andhe was fired after they drafted Jamis Winston.
I love you, love you,thank you for solidifying the one pick.

(01:08:25):
But I do think you got shaffedthere in Houston. Yeah, I
mean, I agree he was puttinga position with everything going on with the
Shaun Watson too, and keeping histeam stable like that. That's quite honestly.
If he got fired for winning today, that's bullshit. Yeah, like
he looked. That's also a bullshitfrom the not the fair ship that Biscuits

(01:08:47):
is talking about. I mean,he took over a pretty shitty situation and
kept them competitive, you know whatI mean? Like, I don't know
sure, but like Lovey, Lovey'sa good coaches stude, he just never
was able to get the right Hehas a good gem in place, if
I'm not mistaken, Still right,Nick, So the report is that Nick

(01:09:11):
Cassirio also might be fired as well, surprisingly man, and I think personally
he would be given a raw dealif he was fired. He was hired
in twenty twenty one, two yearsand he took over, like did he
said on the heels of the DeshaunWatson situation. Got it probably as much
as he could for him in thattrade. Um, I mean, at

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some point, what are you expectingguys to do that? It would be
a miracle if this team. Ijust don't know what cal mcnaurri's thinking.
I don't know what he's looking forinheriting this much of a mess in a
year or two, right, Ithink, I mean, hopefully love the
lands on his feet. If not, he's gonna be a very highly paid
defensive coordinator somewhere and he's still Idon't think he heard his stock at all

(01:10:00):
this year. No, but Ithink this is I think this was Lovey's
last go I don't see him gettinga fourth head coaching job in the league
that very rarely ever materializes, ifit. Think I think you saw a
coach that might have known that thiswas his last game on the team and

(01:10:24):
he wasn't trying to tank it.I mean, they what they pulled off,
it was pretty awesome. Like nobodyexpected that. The Cold are not
the Chiefs. The NFL's the NFL. Man, I don't care who you're
playing. Like big moments, bigmoments don't happen a ton and that was
that was a pretty epic even thoughthe game was meaningless to us. It

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wasn't like Soldier Field exploded when thatshow went down. Like to us,
it was huge and even though ittook another team to pull it off,
we're not used to the huge momentsour way, Like, yeah, right,
the ball finally broke our way fromI was legit pissed when they started
beating them, like when the Coltscame back, I was legit fucking angry,
Like I was a god man.We just can't ever have the perfect

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The perfect shit happened to put usin position best position we need to be,
and it happened today. Yeah,so like it's a win in a
shitty season with a shitty game towatch to end the season and all the
shit that went south with this team, and like we got at least that

(01:11:30):
gave it a little bit of intriguetoday. Oh you know, the end
of the Texans game, we werein the thread kind of having a passionate
uh Paul's discussion. Uh. Andit was like probably the first time in
weeks that I've actually been excited aboutan outcome that could potentially affect the Barras
one way or the other, andit was nice, like you said,
to see it bounce our way forfor once. Yeah, we'll take it

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right Yeah, especially you bro.This is like draft as your super Bowl.
Yeah. Absolutely unfortunate. The traphas become my super Bowl because the
seasons are been so brutal. ButI mean, I think you know,
my ideal situation for this team obviouslyis I think did he hit the comment

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of the night for me, whichis approaching free agency where you can solidify
maybe a little bit of that offensiveline, a little bit of that defensive
line, and go into the draftwith a lot of flexibility, and ultimately
if we could move down but stayinside the top five, collect some picks
and still end up with like aWill Anderson Junior. I think that's starting

(01:12:35):
off the draft in a perfect situationfor us. What do you see that
pick getting, Like you say,somebody does trade up because they feel that
Bryce Young is a quarterback of thefuture. Yeah, I mean, I
guess obviously the biggest variable to thatwould be who is the one trading up

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and how far are they coming up? Sat Miami? Okay, so Miami
had do they have a first No, they don't have a first round pick
this year? They don't. Imean for me, that would be a
non starter if I was Poles,because I still want to remain in the
first round this year because you haveto add now we're now. Now that's

(01:13:21):
where things get interesting. Um.So say you get Waddle and their next
two firsts. God, that's tough. That's tough because then you start thinking,
Okay, oh man in their second. If they end up in a
second, if they end up beinga good team, they're gonna be late

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first round picks. Is that enough? Two late first rounders a second in
Jalen Waddle for the number one overall? Didn't they just trade a bunch of
first for you kill? Well?Yeah, but they also they they had
the first they had, they tradedTunsil and uh. I don't know where

(01:14:08):
they're drafting next year. All thosepicks ended up netting them Tyreek Hill,
Jalen Waddle and somebody else. Um, that's tough, Diddy. I think
I would rather approach the Bengals aboutT Higgins and Trey Hendrickson. I don't

(01:14:28):
know why they would do that,but that's a I think if you're if
you're going player for player. Theywere Jalen Waddle and you're no, Bengals
aren't coming up to one for whatthey already have Burrow. I think that
makes sense. They'd have to offeran offensive line of them with the top.
Here's your top ten, all right? Texas at two, Arizona three,

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Indianapolis at four. I think that'syour sweet spot. I could see
the Colts at five. Yeah,not at Houston Fire and love you.
That might be their sweet spot.It's true, that's true. Six the
Lions, seven, the Las VegasRaiders. Eight, Raiders doing it too,
Carolina and Philadelphia's got the tenth pick. Now that that that one's interesting.

(01:15:18):
Jay the Raiders at seven, yousaid tenth pick biscuits. Atlanta at
eight. I just feel like eighteight, you're you're dropping so where you're
not gonna get Will Anderson or JalenCarter, but you might end up with
like a Skansky from Northwestern offensive tackle. What if you moved a four with

(01:15:42):
indian They say we're gonna give youShack Ward obviously four, Shack Leonard and
a third round pick for your numberone pick. I have to be Shack
Leonard, Quentin Nelson and a numberone pick. Another player. Oh,
I would take I would take four, Quentin Nelson and a draft pick,

(01:16:06):
another draft pick. What if Isaid DeForest Buttner? Also, yes,
DeForrest button and number four? Donedeal? If we want JJ stink if
it's back too. Yeah, ButI think the I mean, that's a
team, the cultural team that haslooked for a quarterback. They can't Chris

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Ballard obviously can't get it right.If he still got a job at the
end, I can't even defend him. Oh, you're a Ballard boy.
I'm a Ballard guy. They shouldhave given a job long ago. If
Ballard gives up the kitchen sink,do you still feel the same way about

(01:16:49):
him from that perspective, No,because now it's going to be a act
of pure desperation. And if hedoesn't hit on that quarterback, it's about
time they actually draft the one thatthey think is going to be the future.
Though he's always brought in like theand he's done it. He's done
it one too many damn times,he really has. And I and I

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don't. I don't feel like firingI feel like firing Frank Reich was the
wrong move. I feel like Ballarddid not give Frank enough to be successful
here and ultimately Frank escape gooding forit. I would bring frankin for justin
faster than I could link Bro talkabout an upgrade for getsy. Yes,
I would a hundred and temper signme up for that. And it's the

(01:17:34):
guy that gets so that's how thesethings work, right If yeah and Bro
like that could bring me hell yeah. The point is the point is that
we need a bunch of things toget that one pick. It's not gonna

(01:17:56):
have it's not gonna be picked forpick you're unless it's a lot of picks
exactly. A well, like whata Washington give up? What did you
give up for golf? Bro?Yeah, golf RG three was a lot
that the Washington gave up three firstrounders and two second rounders. I think,
yeah, dude, we can.We can end up like cleaning.

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I mean, I would not likeas much as I think Will Anderson Junior
is gonna be a great player,I would not be opposed to sliding down
in that like six seventh eighth slotif we were guaranteed to get like a
Scronsky or that other offensive tackle who'srated up there pretty high. If you
can come come away with a boatloadof picks and an offensive line, but

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I'd be okay with oh, bigtime, Yeah, big time. We'd
end up fleecing at that point,and I think for a team with as
many holes as there are, Iwouldn't feel bad about missing out on Will
Anderson Junior Jalen Carter at that point. WILLI Anderson Junior. That's a tough
one because it's like number one duefor this team in the draft. Because

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I don't think the drafting the quarterbackat all, so I'm not even really
scouting these guys. I think Bryceis gonna be a Hello quarterback though.
Yeah, you are pretty big onBryce, aren't you? And I'm usually
not in Bama quarterbacks. I knowwe're not gonna get into this argument about
school, but like a, yeah, I love Hurt. I did like

(01:19:23):
Hurt, but they let him goand they had to Oklahoma. Yeah,
I think he's I think Bryce's special. Man. I guess here would be
my question to you, did heWould you feel better about coming away with
Will Anderson Junior at number one overallor coming away with Scronsky the top rated

(01:19:44):
tackle at seven or eight with fourmore draft picks behind it. Oh hell
yeah, Okay, okay, offensiveyou are what you are willing if the
hall's right, you're willing to meet. Yeah, because because of the trenches,
right, if you got the bestplay, feel your trenches and you're
building that, I'm good man,because that that needs to be the soul
vocal you gotta left tackle. It'sgonna be your dude for the next ten

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plus years at a high level.Fuck yeah, I'm good. And four
more, you know, three,four, whatever? Have any draft pick
swings after that? I just thinkI think that's a lot of what the
draft is is if you can acquiremore picks, you actually have to hit
him, but your probability of successgoes up that you're gonna hit on more
picks with the more you have.Obviously Justin's blindside protected like solidly. Fuck

(01:20:31):
yeah yeah. And like you saidmultiple times, including on the Cover One
podcast, that you did a greatjob going on the other ways. Hey,
that's what I do. Um.I think you said it best.
Where there is not a single positionalong this offensive line that is not up

(01:20:51):
for debate whether or not it's it'supgradeable or replaceable. You know, Braxton
Jones is a great value pick.And and he's played at times well,
but as Jair has notated, heneeds to get a lot stronger, his
technique needs to be refined, andhe's very far from being a sure thing
staple at left tackle. Boreham hasstruggled this year. White here is getting

(01:21:13):
long in the tooth. None ofus want to see Sam must defer for
another season. We don't know whatLucas Patrick is going to bring to the
table. Bro Jones's backsack on fieldswas breaking point. That's soft ass shit,
like I'm sorry for the one wherehe got thrown into him like nothing.
Yeah, like like a paperweight.Bro. We can relax. Now

(01:21:39):
did they win? They won Detroit? Detroit won them. That's the point
we've now reached. Look at that. We've now reached the point where another
team's misery is more bringing us morehappiness than the Bears themselves. Really sucks.

(01:22:02):
It sucks to suck, but atleast we got the number one.
Yeah, that's true, But that'sanother team that you can take a blueprint
from, sort of the Lions.Yes, you can take a blueprint from
the Lions, and you can lookat the team that picked first last year.
Who is that We're talking about takea jaguar from man. You gotta

(01:22:24):
take it. As scary as thatis. I think Cher actually has a
point because I think for ones,the Lions are building something pretty legit.
No, they're not going to theplayoffs, but they made a huge improvement
this year and if it, ifit not for one game, they wouldn't

(01:22:44):
be. Bro, imagine not makingthe playoffs because the Lions beat you?
Bro? That does Dad? That'sbad? Does that? So? Let
me ask you, that's beautiful?Do you all think that this is the
final nail in the Aaron Rodgers coffin? Is he in Green and Gold?
Well? Hold on, is Jared? I'll throw it to you. This

(01:23:10):
is Aaron Rodgers going to be inGreen and Gold next year. I'll throw
it to you. Pony. Youthink so? You think he's back?
Okay? Signed your guard? Yousigned? Yeah? I have I honestly,
I probably have to agree. Ido think that Rogers is back for

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one more year in twenty twenty three. Um, I could see it from
one more year. Sadly White Cramersays he's headed to Tampa. I don't
think Rogers Brady. Brady's probably lookingat getting out of Tampa and I don't

(01:23:56):
know if Rogers is Brady to theRaiders. I do you agree with that?
I think that's a that's a headsup, A good call there.
I just I don't see. Ithink Tampa's sort of fading a little bit.
Um. But they were beat thefuck up. They're starting to get
healthy now. True. Yeah,they lost some Linman earlier in the year,

(01:24:16):
and their wide receivers, both gobAnd and Evans have kind of been
banged up. But I guess thelast thing, uh that I want to
ask you guys that we've sort ofcovered in the thread. Are you sorry?
Are you guys watching the game live? The way he's walking off right
now and looking at the crowd,you think he's done it? You heard
it here? Oh he's taking hissweet ass time. Bro, my brother

(01:24:41):
and my Packers good nights. Yeah, but he's a Packer fan. Look
at the way he's looking like,yeah, it looks like hold on.
Is he giving the look to thecrowd that hey, guys, it's been
a fun on ride. And yeah, really Williams done wow bro below pack

(01:25:11):
below. But he could be thebest. You know. Aaron Rodgers is
very melodramatic. He likes to dothese things because he he wants people all
off season to talk about Aaron Rodgers. Where's he got his arm around Randall
cob in the fucking tunnel? Bro? He might be high on Wow,

(01:25:34):
could we have seen the end?God? That would be not the first
time he's cried for the cop.That would be great. It'd be great.
It'd be great for the fucking rebuild. That so wouldn't work. I
want to throw one more hypothetical toyou guys before we get out here,

(01:25:54):
because this has probably gone on thirtyminutes too long. Whatever. The last
two off seasons we has scenes probablythe last one we're gonna do for a
while, so fuck it. Okay, that's hey, guys, you listeners,
you're getting a special treat tonight.You're gonna hear us talk like we
do when we kill them mix WhiteCramer just saluted the crowd. Oh he

(01:26:18):
might be done? Was it that? Well? Never mind, I'm not
gonna touched out with the ten footpall? What kind of what kind of salute
it was? Let me let methrow it? I go there, and
I didn't. I thought about it. I'm like, nah, I don't
want to get our four listeners tocancel us. In the last two off
seasons, we've seen some pretty bigwide receiver names get moved. I'm gonna

(01:26:41):
throw a couple names to you,guys, and you tell me, do
any of these names interest you andif so, what would you be willing
to give up for them? MikeEvans, Keenan Allen, DeAndre Hopkins,
T Higgins, And the one thatI think is very far fetched DeVante Adams.

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I don't think he's going anywhere afteronly one season because of the huge
amount of deadcat money the Raiders wouldhave to eat. But I think Mike
Evans, Keenan Allen, T.Higgins, and DeAndre Hopkins would be the
four guys I would personally say tokeep an eye out for. And a
sleeper Michael Pittman junior with the Colts. Any of those names do anything for

(01:27:24):
you? Gentlemen? In theory therains, can we can we tear them?
Can we tear them? At leasttry to actually like make it a
little bit more of a conversation,because for me, like DeVante, Mike
Evans, Keenan Allen, and DeAndreHopkins are guys that I would not not

(01:27:45):
even coming close to offering a firstround or for like, those would be
like later picks at this point intheir career. I mean, we watched
Randy Moss at that point in hiscareer. Yes, Randy was a little
more of a headache than most,but like he was still one of the
top five Beavers in the NFL,right like, and it was in his
older stage in his career. LikeI wouldn't give away the freaking farm for

(01:28:08):
that, but like T Higgins isa guy that I may entertain giving up
next year's first or something like,not not the number one overall because of
his youth and absolutely, yeah,I think Michael Pittman would kind of be
in that same category in terms ofbeing young enough. You been over Higgins.

(01:28:29):
Really three colts, Pittman's one ofthree cults in their franchise history to
catch underballs. Yeah, I thinkMichael Pittman's a very good wide receiver.
I do. I would agree withDiddy. I'd probably lean T Higgins slightly
over Pittman Junior. We've talked aboutthis and T would be more of a
one one here. Yeah, Ithink that Pittman. Oh, all right,

(01:28:56):
Bony, I think I think Pittmanplayed with shitty quarterbacks all year and
he caught one hundred balls Matt Ryan. Bro. Yeah, anyway, he's
not a shitty quarterback, Bryan.Sure, but he's not a shitty quarterback.
Like that's not good. You're inlove with the idea that got towards

(01:29:17):
the twenty eight to three. Imean, I'd probably have to agree with
a chair Matt Ryan was not verygood this year overall. No, I'm
not saying that, but he's notlike an absolute shitty quarterback. He's No,
he's not like Nathan Peterman. Andright, my whole argument with shitty
for him is over three thousand yardspassing you're getting is looking the quarterback is

(01:29:44):
in Cincinnati. He's a two forhim. He may not be a two
for us. He might be afour because an elite one. He's playing
with an elite one. Bro,who Higgins. That does make difference,
true, not one percent without himin the lineup. Yes, but thank
you, okay, thank you aslong as that cat was in there.

(01:30:06):
Well, I do agree that justjust because he did for that short period
of time, isn't a large enoughsample size to say that he could be
the guy consistently all year. Um, I do think he's super talented.
I do think he would be aone here, but obviously he's gonna cost
you more than I'm Mike Evans ora Keenan Allen who's been sort of hurt

(01:30:29):
here all year. No, he'snot. He's not young. Um,
even though he's he's really hasn't sloweddown. He has another thousand yards season.
He's the first player in NFL historyto ever have eight straight thousand yards
seasons to open up his career.It feels like it feels like more of
a rental though, than a longterm guy. That's one hundred percent.

(01:30:51):
You are not wrong about that.Now let me let me throw another situation
out there to you guys, justsituation he rams do not have you for
first round pick until twenty twenty five. Matthew Stafford, by all accounts,
is pretty much done and won't playagain next year. Yeah, so McVay
is talking about going to the broadcastbooth, Donald is talking about retiring.

(01:31:15):
Is Cooper cup a guy twenty nineyears old coming off an injury? Would
he be someone that you'd be willingto give up a high round draft pick
for. He'd fall in the samecategory he's pushing thirty. Yes he is
so No, that's too much.That's too close to thirty. So if

(01:31:36):
if the RAM said, hey,for a twenty twenty four first round pick,
you could have Cooper Cup. Nope, we're not there yet. That's
that's a movie you make it.That's a movie you make if you're close,
Like, we're not close. Now, what if you feel like you
could shore up the trenches in thisoffseason? Granted that would be a hell

(01:31:58):
of a feat to get both donein one off season. No, I'm
just looking for significant progress, nota full not a full rebuild. You're
not gonna get that. But likeyou just want to see like a turn
a turnaround, you know what Imean, Like just we just want things
to look solid. Didn't even looklike that functional, right, I'm just

(01:32:21):
throwing out names of guys that Ithink. I'm sorry I'm on te though,
because I'm even looking at the production, Like Higgins broke broke a thousand
yards and had seven touchdowns, Likethat's fine. I don't think there's a
wrong answer, really, I mean, there are two different receivers. You

(01:32:41):
know. Pittman is your prototypical possessionreceiver. Um and Higgins started to give
Jill a little bit more of thatexplosion that I think this offense needs out
of that wide receiver position. Well, yeah, I mean you get a
legit who feels going to be alegit one here that can do that.
Plus Claypool plus Mooney plus commit now, now that's yeah, that's something man.

(01:33:06):
I mean, possession receivers are fineto get quarterbacks going too, though,
so I wouldn't complain about either oneof them coming here. I just
think the compensation for Tea would bea little bit higher, in my opinion,
I agree with that, I completelyand uh, but I do think
there's gonna be a tremendous opportunity forthis team to add an explosive running back,

(01:33:27):
a game changing running back the list. I don't think there's any position
deeper in free agency this year thanrunning back. And I think when you
look at why they traded for Claypool, because there's no free agent wide receivers
out there, you probably don't wantto lock yourself into a second round wide
receiver again because of the time developmenttime curve it takes for them to make

(01:33:50):
an impact, So it would bein the later portion of that round too,
correct, because we have the Ravenspick making the playoffs. Um,
you know, I think running backis a position that they can really look
to upgrade this year, maybe likea se Quon Barkley type that could add
some more explosion to this offense whenyour choice of wide receivers are going to

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be very limited. I think thatit keeping Monty at a reasonable prices.
And the bad thing either, ifyou're planning on featuring the running back position
more than you did this year,I don't. I'm not. I'm not
paying him top five money. I'mnot sniffing, do you know what I
mean? But if it's a reason, if it's a reasonable contract based on

(01:34:33):
his production, I'd be fine withit. I wonder what his level of
interest is even coming back. Alsotrue, but oh, he would make
more money elsewhere, no question,And I hope he does. I hope
he goes to a team that hasa really established offensive line because he would
put in work. In my opinion, like, if you got him consistently,

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and I've said it before, tothe second level, I think Monty
would be a lot more productive.The only problem for him, though,
is there's like ten or twelve otherrunning backs that are probably going to get
paid before him, Right, Buteven at that, I still think he'd
make more money than in that positionthan he would hear. That's all I'm
saying, I think, do youknow what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah,

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I think he would make more moneyon the market still, because what
team couldn't use his skill set.He can block, he's a solid runner,
he's got a great attitude. Yeahyeah, and he's he's a guy
right from the PR standpoint, Dude, dude is a he's a beast man.
I do love Monty, right,but when he hits the hole and

(01:35:39):
runs hard, he's oh sure,I just don't if he wants top five
money. I just don't think we'rethere as a team to invest that much
into the running back position right now, with so many holes to fill.
I feel like this year he's ranharder than he did last year. In
the year before. It's before hisinjury. Last year, Row, I
was actually like, holy shit thathe yeah explosive. I was like,

(01:36:02):
all right, it sucked that hegot hurt, and maybe he feels like
that, maybe he backed off ofthat speed training because of that. But
like when he came off at thebeginning of that season, before he got
injured last year. I was like, oh shit, okay, like now
we got the explosion week we've beenlike waiting for kind of But I still
think he's going to be a solidaddition to no matter where he goes,
like, he's probably gonna have moresuccess elsewhere. You get a team that

(01:36:29):
likes to're on the rock alot, like thirty times a game.
He can handle that. How aboutDetroit. I think he'd be a good
change of pace. And I thinkyou and now you get Vabel, those
two running backs. He's gonna runsixty times a damn game and like he
would love. That's a that's kindof a mess in Nashville right now,

(01:36:51):
though, Oh sure, I thinkthey're pretty high on him. The man.
I mean, your offensive coordinator getshammered and on a plane ride and
gets pulled over for d WI,You fired your general manager. A lot
of uncertainty in there in that building, in my opinion, which building Tennessee.

(01:37:15):
Oh yeah yeah, I don't knowif they're moving on from King Henry
though. No, I'm just sayinghit but him and Monty would be a
duo. Oh yeah, yeah,yeah, you know what I'm saying that
Rabel would love that shit. Yeah, that's true. He would He would
fit that that Rabel offense. Couldyou imagine Justin had Derrick Henry, Oh

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my god, I'm just saying there'steams that Monty would be very, very
solid at man like he could bea top absolutely a top five rusher in
the NFL consistently with a better linein front of him. I think there's
no doubt he would look obviously alot better being with a team with an
actual offensive line, but also alittle bit too. It did, but

(01:37:59):
you hit it earlier, and it'ssort of like there's you don't really see
a whole lot of those guys anymore. I think Jordan Howard was kind of
one of those guys. But he'sa rhythm runner, so you need to
give him volume touches in order toreally get him going and see the true
benefit of what he brings as aas a running back. You know,
haven't given him a carry than notfeaturing him again until late in the second

(01:38:23):
quarter. It's just so sporadic.He's a rhythm guy. He needs multiple
carries in a row, and hecan catch on quick screens. Like guy
like him. The way he runswould dominate freaking cornerbacks and safeties because he
just runs through people. They justhave weren't able to get that going.
Like I was curious about the statsbetween Jordan Howard and Montgomery. You know,

(01:38:48):
in the three years that Jordan herushed, he rushed for more rushing
yards on almost two hundred more attempts. They ran him more. But I
think I think Jordan Howard had asa higher yard it's per carry though then
David. But this is where itgets different. I mean when Montgomery's receiving,
like the free the first year withJordan Howard, he caught the ball

(01:39:11):
like I think seventy percent of thetime. Yeah, I didn't throw it
to him a whole lot, butJordan Howard, Jordan Howard could catch though
he became he had he had stonehands, bro No, I think he
had a seventy percent completion right therewere It was just big moments and it
out. It was like what Ilike interesting, Okay, not saying wrong.

(01:39:38):
I don't remember that far back.It was early early on, like
first couple of games probably it waslike, oh shit, I mean he
was he was solid, but healso had two Pro bowlers in front of
him, a guard like Josh JoshSinton was a beast like when he was
Yeah it was. It was asolid running back, but he wasn't special

(01:39:58):
or great at any one thing.No, he could rush. He could
rush for thirty times for three tofour yards a whack. Yeah, no,
he would have been. He camein the NFL a little bit too
late. Had he come in inthe nineties or like the early two thousands,
there would have been a longer careerfor Jordan Howard than if you didn't
have John getting Fox. He wouldhave had a longer career most most coaches

(01:40:19):
at that point were doing running backcounts. Bro. Fox didn't kill him
Fox, he took like five yearsoff his career. Bro. Yeah,
without without any shame. Well hisrunning style, like he just give it
to him. He'd keep him infucking four quarters, bro. Like sadly
he was the only thing worth watchingthere for a couple of years for the

(01:40:41):
bigger seasons. Bro. Like Iknow the meat balls love Like we're number
one in rushing, like deep downstill means something, but got like we
we he can run. We knowthat. Like, yeah, it's not
really doing anything formative. I'm nothanging my hat on that as as something
defense was top five would be great, right, yeah, I mean it

(01:41:04):
would. But at the same timeand maybe it's maybe okay, yeah,
you have to be able to runthe ball. You have to play great
defense if if you want to getfar in the playoffs. But it is
a passing league, and it wouldjust be nice for once and franchise history
to have that quarterback, like tohave that feeling as a Bills fan when

(01:41:25):
you're watching Josh Allen go down thefield and you just know he's going to
get it done. It would benice to have that for once. So
yeah, it would be great tohave the great defense. But I want
I want to damn modern age passinggame. I want to see a four
thousand yard bastard before I die.Like, ohh yeah, definitely. But
like if they if if they buildthe defense solidly, that's also better for

(01:41:48):
justice development, because true, youcan afford mistakes and try to get shit
right that needs to be worked onmore and not play so timid when your
defense can hold shit down, youknow what I mean, So you can
afford to gamble a little bit moreon offense when you have a defense you
can trust. That's a fair point. I'm just saying, like, yeah,

(01:42:08):
Justin has been put in a toughposition to succeed too, because not
only is he not only does hehe knows he has to grow as a
pastor, but when they're trying tosometimes be too conservative with it in order
to because they know their defense isalive, really fair to Justin like this,
do you know what I mean?Like, he's his development has been

(01:42:29):
slower, and a lot of ithas to do what's around him to at
least provide solid offensive line play anda solid D line for this team next
year, solid steps forward like hopefully, hopefully this off season that happens.
Man, I'm I'm a hundred timesmore interested in it now than I would
have been had shit not worked outthe way it did today, Do you

(01:42:54):
know what I mean? Because like, oddly enough, I think you're right.
I had thought about it prior totoday, and I'm like, I
mean, what's the one or two? Who cares? But I think you're
right. I think now having thenumber one pick, it does bring a
little bit more excitement that we controlthe cards, we control how the draft
is ultimately going to unfold early,and there's a lot of potential there to

(01:43:15):
possibly get a haul and really makethis rebuild accelerate a little bit quicker.
Yes, sir, I mean bro, how often do gms get this moment?
Like if you're the man, Poles, be the man, you know
what I mean? Like get ussaid, dude, that's gonna change shit.

(01:43:36):
Whether it's trading back like the regardlesswill be in the eight would be
I think a little crazy for themto come up that high, but you
can still realistically be in the topWe could still realistically be in the top
five though with building more picks.So if you if you're drafting the top

(01:43:56):
five, hopefully no matter how thispans out, I just hope hopefully they
get a guy that is dominant atthat position that's picked for yous to come.
Now here's a guy. Now here'sa guy. Did you just do
the Chris Collins? Yes, Iagree with Diddy. I mean Collins.
We're going to probably buy some boxto wine tonight and just cry himself to

(01:44:18):
send it on a high note.Boys, Hey, you know what in
a season full of shit, todaywas like a little like parting gift for
US Bears fans. We get thenumber one overall pick thanks to Lovey Smith
and the Texans, and we gotto see the Detroit Lions take out the

(01:44:40):
Packers playoff chances and possibly Aaron Rodgersbeing done not bad boys. See all
in April or March. I justwant to say that thank you Ted Phillips
for so many of yours services byFelicia, Like, we've been waiting for

(01:45:02):
this moment for a long time.Man, We've been wanting Teddy gone.
Like Teddy's gone, Teddy's gone.We're gonna get a new president of operations.
Hopefully this is the moment where theyrealize that they need to assign duties
and not muddy of the waters.And you got your you got your businessman
on one side, and you gotyour football head of football as your GM.

(01:45:25):
That's that. I'm hoping it goesthat direction. At least this rebuild
is including moving on from Ted Phillips. So this is this is and restructuring
of the power structure up top rightin a new mindset, and and we
get to actually see the difference rightfinally, Like yeah, we've been wanting

(01:45:47):
Teddy going a long time. Soa lot of ws today in the midst
of a shitty season and a shittygame. I guess that's that's how I'm
gonna wrap my uh my parting shotsout. I'm gonna wrap mine up with
the packers and uh fun, I'mgonna wrap us up with It has been

(01:46:10):
probably the toughest year watching as aBears fan. I don't know if my
level of apathy has ever been anyhigher. But to do this pod with
you boys every week, you know, it's just been a it's just been
a pleasure, guys. It's it'sjust it's so enjoyable talking to you guys.
We are that pod and Diddy's mutingbecause he's he's probably farting right now,

(01:46:32):
probably muting too. Boys, hasbeen a pleasure this year. It
has Thank you for commiserating with meall year about this terrible football team.
It's been a slug. We'll haveto do some draft stuff and as we
get going through it. That's reallygood promote chair that probably has people jumping
out of their chairs. Probably gottado some drafts, yeah for you for

(01:46:56):
listeners, we will probably do afree agent see show h Yeah, biscuits,
take those nipple clips out from thatlast segue you brought to the table,
bro Like, yeah, wow,Well someone's gonna get a good screen
grab there. Yeah, I justI just muted just because I didn't want

(01:47:17):
to like cut you off, bro, because I was getting it was getting
really like moist in the joint.Man, Hey, how do I how
do I mute him on this?How do I do that? That was
romantic? Bro? Yeah, I'mmuting him. Yeah boom muted for the
for the use of the m Mword moist. I want to make sure

(01:47:38):
that I un muted him, andI think he stopped doing that. I
try to kept on muting you.You can't get muting you like on a
normal day. I'm happy, SoI'm not gonna come back at Biscuits for
actually muting me the padawan damn,Bro, just wow, we should have

(01:47:59):
never given you control. Nah,that was nice, Biscuits. I feel
I feel like a little ice hasmelted off my heart tonight. It's always
a pleasure times. Sometimes I justlike y'all talk, and sometimes I don't

(01:48:20):
make a whole lot of sense.That's what the hell is this, bro?
You motherfuckers are breaking out eulogies inthis bitch, bro like it's fitting
for three and fourteen season. It'sbeen fourteen. Listen I'm just saying we
are that pod guys. New Years, y'all drunk as fuck on New Year's

(01:48:42):
like toasting, Bro, I loveyou, Bro. I want you to
know, Bro, You're my bro. Bro. I could they were there
this season? Bro, I wantednot to do this, Like how many
times I not want to do thisfucking podcast. Bro. So like sitting
here and say, I think I'mso thankful to talk to every week,

(01:49:03):
Like so I was struggling, Bro, Like I don't know, Yeah,
it's nice to have someone else totalk to it about who who's not a
total meat ball like on social media? Oh Bro, yeah it's that was
the worst losing streak we ever wentthrough. So like, I'm just glad
it at least ended in a positiveNo. Going into this offseason, I'm

(01:49:27):
more fired up than I thought Iwould have been when I started seeing that
score shift in that indie game,Bro, Like shocking to say, Bro,
Like I was ready to say,I don't want to do that,
do you know what I mean?Like, hell, yeah, I'm good.
I'll talk to you in a fewmonths. When the comment it's not
it's not a few months, butgoing to feel like it, Yeah,

(01:49:49):
I mean I really didn't feel likeI was gonna be that excited about it.
And then towards the end of thatTexans game when they were driving,
I'm like, Okay, now I'mdefinitely committed to wanting to pick, and
it does feel a little exciting now. I mean I might have to make
a trip for some of that.Kansas City isn't in Kansas City something draft
this year? Yeah, I'm goingto pick overall. I don't know,

(01:50:10):
tailgate show draft party. I don'tdeal with that crowd of y'all. Come
up, dandy, we'll do theuh the combine combine. Oh, I
might do that. I get meone of them folk sandwiches. Yes,
definitely not going to go to Hooters, though if I go to Kansas City
or Indiana, Indianapolis doesn't have anythinglike that. Bro, It's like,

(01:50:33):
do they Hooters is everywhere? Imean, do they have like good spots?
Good spots though? Like yes?Not like no, I'm not just
slow key shit all over Indiana.That's all right, everybody else does.
It's not a PIO deal. I'lltalk to you off here about what I'm
talking about. Oh, oh,slatting dude ponies, I mean ship that

(01:50:57):
dude Boot that dude Boute from FreakingLSU was just like with his story coaching
like player administrators and shit, Browas going to sex parties in Atlanta.
Jay goes to Hooters. I'm likechair Bro, like single dingle over here,
Like, why don't you go toone of them damn sex parties in
Atlanta? Bro? Shit Hooters?Bro, that's so like, or just

(01:51:21):
go to a local Atlanta like hotBro the wings come on, man,
Like any city, Bro, cityhave? Did you even go to the
game that you told me? I'mgonna go the game because I realized I
am. You got a phone totravel and see this three and fourteen pot

(01:51:44):
Team and fields Worth the pod MissionJared. Jared has a smartphone in his
hand, and he couldn't just googlebest Wings in Atlanta, like he went
to Hooters, Bro, Like,no matter what city you're in, there's
banging right next. Yeah. It'sjust it's about trying something that you can't
have somewhere. Yeah that's for meat least, that's that's how I see.
I just drove eight hours to getthere. Like when we went to

(01:52:06):
Pittsburgh, I was determined to geta promante Bro sandwich even though a local
said it was overrated. Whatever,I still wanted to try that. I
wasn't gonna go to the waiting nearus though. When I met up with
Jared was like, what two hours, Jared, dude? We locked out.
We went to a couple different locationsand that weight was crazy. But

(01:52:26):
I wasn't waiting that long to geton a Disney ride to eat a sandwich.
All right, is done? Well, that's just probably the last episode
of detail get you for a while. I don't know how I did that.
I'm back Trenton Gil Rookie of theYear. Dum Relax, No,

(01:52:58):
Trenton's season was so dupe bro Hey, just remember who told you about Trenton
Gill. First, Good Boy Biscuitsthanked me tomorrow sneaky good bun of leg extension.