August 27, 2025 • 28 mins
Are you running on empty—spiritually, emotionally, and mentally? In this powerful conversation, Pastor Tymesia Butcher brings clarity, compassion, and biblical truth to one of the most urgent struggles of our time: keeping your faith alive in a season of burnout. As a preacher, educator, mentor, intercessor, prophetic praise-and-worship psalmist, and songwriter, Pastor Tymesia shares how to:
Burnout is not just a mental or physical issue—it is a spiritual battle. This message will inspire you to pause, realign with God’s presence, and take practical steps toward restoration.
- Recognize the early signs of spiritual and emotional burnout
- Draw from the Word of God for renewal and restoration
- Use worship as a source of strength and healing
- Reclaim your joy, identity, and divine purpose
- Build sustainable rhythms for a healthy faith walk
Burnout is not just a mental or physical issue—it is a spiritual battle. This message will inspire you to pause, realign with God’s presence, and take practical steps toward restoration.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Are you ready for a pick me up? Be enlightened,
inspired and empowered with daily Spark with Doctor Angela. Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome, Welcome,
(00:25):
Pastor Tammy. Thank you so much for joining me here today.
I am so excited to have you as my guest again.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Sarder be here too. Thank you, Doctor Angela.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Absolutely absolutely well.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Today, as you know, we are talking about faith in
the age of burnout, how to stay spiritually grounded when
you're tired of everything. And I have to add that
extra little part to the title because I'm finding that
more and more people are saying they're not just tired
of work. They're not just tired of dealing with, you know,
(01:05):
one or two things, their kids, or the weather or
the drive. They're kind of tired of a little bit
of everything. And I think this is the perfect way
to address that. So thank you for in advance for
sharing some of your wit and wisdom with us. So
I realized that there may be some folks out there
(01:25):
that this is the first time that they are being
introduced to you. So before we get into our questions,
let me ask you what makes you you Tell us
a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
All right, my name is Pastor Tamisi and Butcher and
I am from Gaston, North Carolina. I am married to
Pastor Tony Butcher and we are pastors at Building Faith
Christian Center. We have a son daughter, and I am
newly a grandmother of one grandson.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I love it, I love it, and congratulations on having
such a powerful and thriving ministry. There is nothing like
folks that are committed to Kingdom business as we are,
and that in itself can is a calling that people
don't always understand. Now, speaking along that vein, when folks
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are emotionally drained, when they are physically drained, what practices
help you to reconnect to faith rather than retreat from it.
Be it that you want to share personally, or if
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a congregant has come to you and just said, Paster,
I need some help.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But today is going to be personal because as pastors,
yes we do, we get emotionally drained, be become physically drained.
One of my favorite scriptures in the Mark thirty one
with Jesus is talking to the disciples and he said,
come away by yourself to a secluded place and rest.
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We are so involved in so many things, and I
hardly ever do you know, we basically, you know, we
come away like Jesus and Vites. We don't come away
and we don't rest, you know, and that leads to
all of the emotional draining and physical draining that we have.
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So what I had to learn to do personally is
a lot of my emotional draining honestly comes from my
job as an educator. And so what I had to
do personally was to disconnect myself anything that looked like
my job, because when we are emotionally drained, you know,
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the things that emotionally drain us if we don't disconnect
for some point in time, you know, for for a
given time. It's not forever, of course, when I go
back the next day to connect this again, but you know,
I have to disconnect myself. You know, we have a
group chat and all day long, all night long, is
(04:13):
going off. So I had to learn how to mute it,
to turn it off, because if I don't disconnect myself
from that that is emotionally draining me, then it's gonna
cause me to be overwhelmed, and that's gonna spill over
into my house with my husband, with my daughter. And
so you know, for me, it's so important for me
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that emotional rest, you know, and not just that, but
that physical rest. You know, when we don't, when we
don't intentionally rest, our body will find a way for
us to rest, you know. So that's why sometimes we
go through and our bodies physically because you know, when
our body was telling us to rest, we kept going,
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we kept moving, you know. And so but it's okay.
And this is something that I had to learn. My
husband said, you gotta do something every moment of the day.
But I had to learn how to, you know, take
a nap if I want to sit down, look at TV,
if you want to, you know, whatever it takes, you know,
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for you to get that physical rest. So I had
to learn that. So again I had to learn how
to disconnect. I had to learn how to take a
nap if I needed to. Even in ministry, there was
some changes that we had to make in order for
me to make sure I got the proper rest physically
that I needed. So all of those things are important.
If we want to make sure that we are eliminated
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that emotional draining and the physical draining, we have to
do those things that will cause that emotional rest and
that physical rest.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
You are you are one hundred. You are one thousand
percent correct on that. I just share with our women's
ministry that give yourself permission to take a nap. Please
give yourself permission to rest and use the exact same
example that if Jesus could recognize that the anxiety was
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getting high, that the overwhelm was getting high, and that
he needed to gather the group and step away intentionally, right,
then we need to do those things and don't think
of it as what society has conditioned us to believe. Oh,
if you need a nap in the middle of the day,
you must be lazybones, And that's just not true. If
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you need a nap, your body is telling you that
you need to take a rest, and if you don't,
it is going to physically manifest in some other way,
shape or form. And we don't want anything detrimental to
happen to you or accidentally happened to you because you
were sleepier, you were tired. So you are so right
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there now when it comes to our spiritual clarity, many
times people think that we are going to stay top
notch spiritually if we also don't take a rest. That
spiritual burnout is not a thing. As well, or spiritual
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fatigue is not a thing as well. An example of
this is when you have folks that are assisting in
the church and they just go, I'm tired. I do church, church,
church all the time. That's an example of what I'm
talking about with the spiritual fatigue. How do we help
people understand that it's okay to rest in the Lord,
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not leave the Lord. Rest in the Lord so that
they can be there for the next day's event.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well, for one, one of the things that I was
thinking about is, you know, sometimes we burn out for
no reason, if I can be honest, you know, because
we're so busy. We feel like we have to be
involved in everything, Like I don't have to be on
the every auxiliary community at the church. You know, you know,
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you don't have to do it all. As much as
you love your ministry, you don't have to do it all.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
This is why you know, he tells us, you know
that some he's called to do this, some he's called
to do that. He's not called us all to do everything.
And I think that once we you know, because at
that part right there, that is easy. It's just don't
evolve in so many different things, you know, but then
there are times when you know, there are some burnouts
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though that actually come from spiritual warfare, you know. You know,
we have that, you know, that burnt out from you know,
like the like I said, with the B and B
you know, and being too involved into many things. But
then there is a spiritual burnout. So since we're talking
about like that spiritual clarity, you know, when we find
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ourselves sometimes spiritually burnout, you know, it is because of
spirit some spiritual warfare that we've had to endure. And
so I know, for me, because like I said, I
just want to just be transparent today because I was
literally in that place where just from November to just mad,
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you know what, I was going through such warfare, and
like the one thing that kept me so grounded was
one that I continued to I had to see God.
I know, I mentioned in an interview that we had before,
how I was going through something some warfare, and I
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began to release warfare prayer. And when I did that,
you know, God moved and the next season of my
life where I found myself in warfare, I was doing
the same thing, but God said, no worship me. And
so you know, but this particular season that was in
you know, in November. You know, it was like I
try all those previous strategies, but they didn't work. It
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was like I was like God, I would like, what's happening,
what's going on? And He began to deal with me
that every season has a different position. And so in
that season of my life, God was like, now I
need you to get in the Word, consume the Word,
and allow the Word to consume you. So when we
find ourselves in that spiritual burnout like that, that unrest
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like spiritually like that, when we need that clarity, it
is going to require us to get to that place
where we are in the world of God, not on
God's Word to take over us. So that when we
find ourselves in that place where we are burned out,
that we know where to go to. We can go
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to the Word and we can find how to get
spiritual rest. We can't go here and other people, our
friends here and there. You know, it is in God
and in His Word that we receive that spiritual rest.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Now, how when it comes to having that discernment, and
that's something that many denominations talk about, is making sure
that we are in the Word. So that we can
learn how to build up our discernment. Because God does
speak to us. He gives us that which we need
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to know and understand so that when trouble comes our way,
we get that little m mmmm, that little knowing that
tells us don't go in that direction. So how do
you help your congregants and those that come to you
to understand about discernment the difference between needing rest between
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feeling cold, uh, looking at releasing something that doesn't belong.
So discernment releasing Nope, that's not for me. Discernment in
knowing when to rest and discernment and that which helps
you feel are prepared.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So when when I think about, you know, because there
are times when we're like like we've been talking about,
when we just need rest. And so the way that
in terms of me and how I decide whether or
not or discern whether or not something just or you know,
I just need rest from something, is that you know,
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like you know, things will start, you know, falling apart,
but not everything. You know, So I think about like,
you know, if it's my job, it's ministry, whatever it
is that you know, there may be some couple of
a couple of areas that I just need to kind
of step away for a moment, you know, and so
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I can get restored, so that I can you know,
get instructions and so that when I come back things
are working out. Okay, that's how I know that that
just I just needed rest from that, just to step
back for a moment. But when I know that I
need to like step away, this is not It is
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when like everything, everything about what you're doing begins to crumble,
like everything becomes chaotic. It doesn't matter how much you
try to restore, no matter how much you try to repair,
it doesn't matter how you try to change you so
that things will work out. Things are not working out.
And so this is how I know the difference. You
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can try all day long to try to make things
work and make things happen, but you don't see it
working and you don't see it happening. That's not RESTful.
It's time to walk away, and it's time to release
that particular thing, be it a person, Okay, because some
people we need to release and walk away from. You know,
your jobs, Like I said, whatever area, wherever your thing is.
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You know, this is how for me, I know that
I'm discerning that this right here is something that God
is in just to let it go.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
And we only truly get kind of a handful of
people that are our forever people. Yeah, so take good
care of them, you know, cherish them because they are
our forever folks. So you are you are so right there.
Now I want to ask you about some different placements,
if you will, And how does the role of fill
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in the blank, and I'll give you what the feeling
the blank is, how does that particular thing play a
role in helping us stay grounded when a life feels heavy?
So how does the role of community help us stay
grounded when our life feel heavy?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So for me, community is like it's like your people,
It's like you know, when I think about community, it
could be many different things, but I also think about
my church community, the Body of Christ, you know. And
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so for me, like I said, because I had been
going through so much, you know, these last few months,
it was important for me to come together with them
because I needed encouragement. Oh my goodness, I needed to
be empowered. I need to be strengthen, you know. And
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that's why, you know, Scripture tell us to not to forsake,
not the assembling of the Saints, because it is where
you draw your strength. It is where you know, you
get your encouragement. You know, when you know all week
you've been torn down and you've been you know, feel
like you know, people are destroying you, destroying your name
and your character, to come together with the community of
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believers who will again empower you and strengthen and encourage you.
That that was one thing that helped me, you know,
to not crumble because I knew that even though there
were some people against me, there were definitely some people
who were for me.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah. Yeah, oh goodness, yes, that is that is so true.
What a powerful way to look at that. Thank you. Now,
how does the role of worship help to keep us
grounded when life feels heavy?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Well, no, worship is just I love worshiping a father.
For me, it helps me to stay grounded because when
I worship him, my attention is not on all all
that I'm going through, actually on him. And so when
my attention is on him and his sovereignty, he also
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begins to reveal himself to me in other ways and
greater ways that I've never known before. So I've come
to realize that, you know, whatever I set my focus
and my attention on that's the type of fruit that
I'm going to produce. So if I want to strengthen me,
if I want the peace of God, if I want
his deliverance, then I need to set my attention on
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the one who brings strength and weakness, who brings peace
and chaos, who is my strong deliverance. So that's what
keeps me grounded because again I'm able to see him
for who he is.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Oh, I love that. I love that, And you are
sor right. I was just sharing with our group on
last Friday, and I said, you know, when we spend
time in worship, it shows you can tell those who write,
You can tell those who have personal worship time at
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home and those that are waiting for those designated days.
Be it that it's Bible study or it's just Sunday worship,
or if you go to church on a Saturday, whatever
days you go to church, that's the only time that
you do it. Now, this is not shaye, this is
not a dig, This is none of that. It's not
pointing a finger. But what I mean is is that
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those that spend time with the Lord and worship, I
find that they are calmer. I find that they are
able to deal with life's chaos, the uncertainty of things, because,
like you said, they're able to refocus and recalibrate, because
it's like, oh, I've reached my limit. Time to take
it to the Lord, right and it's like, God, I've
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done all that I can humanly do. I'm going to
bring this to you. I'm going to leave this for you,
and then I'm gonna worship and adore you and thank
you for what you are going to do because I
know my Daddy can take care of it. Right. Like,
when you have that understanding them, it really truly does
put you in a different in a different headspace. So
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I totally understand that. Now, the last question along this
vein is what role does solitude play in helping you
stay grounded when life feels heavy?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
It is so important because even as you were just sharing,
you know about like the time and worship I'm with him,
you know, it's in that time of solitude because we
can't hear him with all the people around you, with
all the many voices that are speaking, and all the
things that are happening around you, you know, And so
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one of the things that you know solitude. Well, for me,
it was you know, me getting by myself and him
giving me instructions. He told me in the season, be quiet,
be silent when people are coming against you, don't say
a word. And that comes with spending time in worship
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with him. Because had I not spent time in worship
with him, I would have responded every time someone said
something to me. Still, that time of solitude, going back
to earlier, that seclusion, that that time alone so we
can rest, so that we can hear the voice of God,
so we can hear his instruction for me, that truly
helped me to stay grounded because I'm telling you, oh,
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it could have it could have ended differently. But because
I got along with him, because I got quiet, just
like he said, you know, I was able to see
him be God.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah. Oh that was so beautiful. And you know you
are giving us such great and practical advice. Right, it's
not something that is overwhelming, like, oh my goodness, there's
fifteen steps on doing this particular thing. Thank you for
giving us very practical ways of looking at how do
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we not be overwhelmed? And what are some things we
can do? So I want to ask you one last
question along that vein, and that is there may be
someone saying, Pastor, I hear what you have to say,
but you recalled to ministry. I'm just a regular old
person and sometimes my life is too big, and I
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don't know how to pray, or I don't know what
to say when I pray, or I don't even have
time to pray anymore. I'm just so exhausted. To someone
who needs a little bit of encouragement or perhaps a
first step of what they can do to make sure
that they don't stop praying and spending time with God.
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What could they do?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
So when when I was going through one of the
things that God told me about is to study my word,
he said, let my word play. That's that's what he said,
you know. So for that person who made me feel
like I don't even have time to read, I don't
have time whatever, you know, play the word. That's what
he told me do. He said, play my word. And
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that's literally what I did all day. And as I
played his word, and I played and played it, his
word began to get in me and it became it's
like I begin to believe, you know, this is what happens,
like it causes you to believe what you hear because
you hear it so much, you know, you begin to
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know him. And so you know, Scripture says in the
beginning was the Word, and the word was with God,
and the word was God. If I want to spend
if I want to grow closer with God, then I
spend time with God. And what is God? God is
his word. And so I just feel like that is
so important, just that time in his words, so that
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you know, we can watch his word and literally so
that did. I watch his word manifest in so many
areas I know had become immersed in his words. So
you know, the more we listen to it, the more
we become immersed in it. And the more we can
become immersed in it, then you know that reconnection is
automatic because I'm connecting to his word, which means I'm
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connecting to him right right.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Oh, that was that was so so important to hear.
You know, it made me think as you were as
you were saying that, you know, let it play. What
popped in my head was and we see it in
uh in of the movies. But if you grew up
in the South and you are of a particular age,
then you know that your grandmother used to have the
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records or the radio with scripture, a sermon, something playing
in the background, and it was just simply one all
the time. Now we in the movies of toy it
kind of pokes fun just a little bit, and it's
like you go of a grandmother's house, you're gonna you're
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gonna get a sermon, You're gonna get a piece of
a word if you go to grandma's house and spend
some time there because it's playing in the background. I
think our generation has a version of that, and that
is having music playing all the time. We kind of
just put it on. I know in my household. Uh,
it's on in the kitchen, right. So you're gonna know
something from a hymn to you know, a Christian pop to,
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you know, Christian whatever it is. You're gonna hear a
little bit of everything, because you never know what's gonna
come on the radio. Right Because to me, each form
of music is like having a different type of meal.
And sometimes you need something that is soothing and calming.
Sometimes you need something that's that you can kind of
just bob your head to and go, oh, I like that,
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and then it's you know, the song of the day
because you can't stop singing it and sometimes you just
need that song that's gonna stir your spirit so much
that you find tears running down your face and you're
just like, ooh, I didn't even know I needed to
do that, right, So you just never know. I love that.
What a beautiful way. Just let my word play. Oh,
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thank you Lert for that one. Thank you past the
time you should for sharing that. That is that is
definitely something that everyone can do. I love that. I
love that. Now. My very last question for you today
is though you are an educator and thank you so
much for teaching the next generation and you work and ministry.
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Thank you for following your kingdom call. You are also
an author. Please tell me about your book.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Well, I have to embracing me and the power of
worship unluck in heaven. So embracing me is all about
knowing your kingdom identity. According to the Father says, the
power of worship is getting to know the Father, and
so those books are it basically the power of worship
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is basically it teaches about what worship is. You know,
there are areas what is the object of our worship.
What does it look like to go deeper? What does
it look like to you know, experience the greater glory?
And so and I think that's my favorite. I love
both of them, but that's my favorite. And I think
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because it's more focused on him than it is on me.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, Oh, I love it. I love it well, Pastor
TEMI thank you so much for spending some time with
us here today. I have truly enjoyed my conversation with you.
And before I let you leave, of course, there may
be someone who wants to reach out to you, stay
in contact with you or with the church. So please,
what is the best way for those who want to
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stay in contact with you to do so.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I am on Facebook. To me see a Pope Butcher
Instagram as well, same thing to me see a Pope Butcher.
And my website is to me see a Butcher ministry.
So please feel free to reach out, need prayer, anything
like that.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I love it. Thank you again for coming on and
sharing with us today.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Thank you, Docna and John
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Pastor Tammy. Thank you so much for joining me here today.
I am so excited to have you as my guest again.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Sarder be here too. Thank you, Doctor Angela.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Absolutely absolutely well.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Today, as you know, we are talking about faith in
the age of burnout, how to stay spiritually grounded when
you're tired of everything. And I have to add that
extra little part to the title because I'm finding that
more and more people are saying they're not just tired
of work. They're not just tired of dealing with, you know,
(01:05):
one or two things, their kids, or the weather or
the drive. They're kind of tired of a little bit
of everything. And I think this is the perfect way
to address that. So thank you for in advance for
sharing some of your wit and wisdom with us. So
I realized that there may be some folks out there
(01:25):
that this is the first time that they are being
introduced to you. So before we get into our questions,
let me ask you what makes you you Tell us
a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
All right, my name is Pastor Tamisi and Butcher and
I am from Gaston, North Carolina. I am married to
Pastor Tony Butcher and we are pastors at Building Faith
Christian Center. We have a son daughter, and I am
newly a grandmother of one grandson.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I love it, I love it, and congratulations on having
such a powerful and thriving ministry. There is nothing like
folks that are committed to Kingdom business as we are,
and that in itself can is a calling that people
don't always understand. Now, speaking along that vein, when folks
(02:22):
are emotionally drained, when they are physically drained, what practices
help you to reconnect to faith rather than retreat from it.
Be it that you want to share personally, or if
(02:42):
a congregant has come to you and just said, Paster,
I need some help.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But today is going to be personal because as pastors,
yes we do, we get emotionally drained, be become physically drained.
One of my favorite scriptures in the Mark thirty one
with Jesus is talking to the disciples and he said,
come away by yourself to a secluded place and rest.
(03:08):
We are so involved in so many things, and I
hardly ever do you know, we basically, you know, we
come away like Jesus and Vites. We don't come away
and we don't rest, you know, and that leads to
all of the emotional draining and physical draining that we have.
(03:28):
So what I had to learn to do personally is
a lot of my emotional draining honestly comes from my
job as an educator. And so what I had to
do personally was to disconnect myself anything that looked like
my job, because when we are emotionally drained, you know,
(03:51):
the things that emotionally drain us if we don't disconnect
for some point in time, you know, for for a
given time. It's not forever, of course, when I go
back the next day to connect this again, but you know,
I have to disconnect myself. You know, we have a
group chat and all day long, all night long, is
(04:13):
going off. So I had to learn how to mute it,
to turn it off, because if I don't disconnect myself
from that that is emotionally draining me, then it's gonna
cause me to be overwhelmed, and that's gonna spill over
into my house with my husband, with my daughter. And
so you know, for me, it's so important for me
(04:36):
that emotional rest, you know, and not just that, but
that physical rest. You know, when we don't, when we
don't intentionally rest, our body will find a way for
us to rest, you know. So that's why sometimes we
go through and our bodies physically because you know, when
our body was telling us to rest, we kept going,
(04:59):
we kept moving, you know. And so but it's okay.
And this is something that I had to learn. My
husband said, you gotta do something every moment of the day.
But I had to learn how to, you know, take
a nap if I want to sit down, look at TV,
if you want to, you know, whatever it takes, you know,
(05:20):
for you to get that physical rest. So I had
to learn that. So again I had to learn how
to disconnect. I had to learn how to take a
nap if I needed to. Even in ministry, there was
some changes that we had to make in order for
me to make sure I got the proper rest physically
that I needed. So all of those things are important.
If we want to make sure that we are eliminated
(05:42):
that emotional draining and the physical draining, we have to
do those things that will cause that emotional rest and
that physical rest.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
You are you are one hundred. You are one thousand
percent correct on that. I just share with our women's
ministry that give yourself permission to take a nap. Please
give yourself permission to rest and use the exact same
example that if Jesus could recognize that the anxiety was
(06:17):
getting high, that the overwhelm was getting high, and that
he needed to gather the group and step away intentionally, right,
then we need to do those things and don't think
of it as what society has conditioned us to believe. Oh,
if you need a nap in the middle of the day,
you must be lazybones, And that's just not true. If
(06:40):
you need a nap, your body is telling you that
you need to take a rest, and if you don't,
it is going to physically manifest in some other way,
shape or form. And we don't want anything detrimental to
happen to you or accidentally happened to you because you
were sleepier, you were tired. So you are so right
(07:03):
there now when it comes to our spiritual clarity, many
times people think that we are going to stay top
notch spiritually if we also don't take a rest. That
spiritual burnout is not a thing. As well, or spiritual
(07:25):
fatigue is not a thing as well. An example of
this is when you have folks that are assisting in
the church and they just go, I'm tired. I do church, church,
church all the time. That's an example of what I'm
talking about with the spiritual fatigue. How do we help
people understand that it's okay to rest in the Lord,
(07:51):
not leave the Lord. Rest in the Lord so that
they can be there for the next day's event.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well, for one, one of the things that I was
thinking about is, you know, sometimes we burn out for
no reason, if I can be honest, you know, because
we're so busy. We feel like we have to be
involved in everything, Like I don't have to be on
the every auxiliary community at the church. You know, you know,
(08:21):
you don't have to do it all. As much as
you love your ministry, you don't have to do it all.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
This is why you know, he tells us, you know
that some he's called to do this, some he's called
to do that. He's not called us all to do everything.
And I think that once we you know, because at
that part right there, that is easy. It's just don't
evolve in so many different things, you know, but then
there are times when you know, there are some burnouts
(08:50):
though that actually come from spiritual warfare, you know. You know,
we have that, you know, that burnt out from you know,
like the like I said, with the B and B
you know, and being too involved into many things. But
then there is a spiritual burnout. So since we're talking
about like that spiritual clarity, you know, when we find
(09:12):
ourselves sometimes spiritually burnout, you know, it is because of
spirit some spiritual warfare that we've had to endure. And
so I know, for me, because like I said, I
just want to just be transparent today because I was
literally in that place where just from November to just mad,
(09:32):
you know what, I was going through such warfare, and
like the one thing that kept me so grounded was
one that I continued to I had to see God.
I know, I mentioned in an interview that we had before,
how I was going through something some warfare, and I
(09:53):
began to release warfare prayer. And when I did that,
you know, God moved and the next season of my
life where I found myself in warfare, I was doing
the same thing, but God said, no worship me. And
so you know, but this particular season that was in
you know, in November. You know, it was like I
try all those previous strategies, but they didn't work. It
(10:17):
was like I was like God, I would like, what's happening,
what's going on? And He began to deal with me
that every season has a different position. And so in
that season of my life, God was like, now I
need you to get in the Word, consume the Word,
and allow the Word to consume you. So when we
find ourselves in that spiritual burnout like that, that unrest
(10:41):
like spiritually like that, when we need that clarity, it
is going to require us to get to that place
where we are in the world of God, not on
God's Word to take over us. So that when we
find ourselves in that place where we are burned out,
that we know where to go to. We can go
(11:02):
to the Word and we can find how to get
spiritual rest. We can't go here and other people, our
friends here and there. You know, it is in God
and in His Word that we receive that spiritual rest.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Now, how when it comes to having that discernment, and
that's something that many denominations talk about, is making sure
that we are in the Word. So that we can
learn how to build up our discernment. Because God does
speak to us. He gives us that which we need
(11:41):
to know and understand so that when trouble comes our way,
we get that little m mmmm, that little knowing that
tells us don't go in that direction. So how do
you help your congregants and those that come to you
to understand about discernment the difference between needing rest between
(12:02):
feeling cold, uh, looking at releasing something that doesn't belong.
So discernment releasing Nope, that's not for me. Discernment in
knowing when to rest and discernment and that which helps
you feel are prepared.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
So when when I think about, you know, because there
are times when we're like like we've been talking about,
when we just need rest. And so the way that
in terms of me and how I decide whether or
not or discern whether or not something just or you know,
I just need rest from something, is that you know,
(12:46):
like you know, things will start, you know, falling apart,
but not everything. You know, So I think about like,
you know, if it's my job, it's ministry, whatever it
is that you know, there may be some couple of
a couple of areas that I just need to kind
of step away for a moment, you know, and so
(13:08):
I can get restored, so that I can you know,
get instructions and so that when I come back things
are working out. Okay, that's how I know that that
just I just needed rest from that, just to step
back for a moment. But when I know that I
need to like step away, this is not It is
(13:28):
when like everything, everything about what you're doing begins to crumble,
like everything becomes chaotic. It doesn't matter how much you
try to restore, no matter how much you try to repair,
it doesn't matter how you try to change you so
that things will work out. Things are not working out.
And so this is how I know the difference. You
(13:49):
can try all day long to try to make things
work and make things happen, but you don't see it
working and you don't see it happening. That's not RESTful.
It's time to walk away, and it's time to release
that particular thing, be it a person, Okay, because some
people we need to release and walk away from. You know,
your jobs, Like I said, whatever area, wherever your thing is.
(14:14):
You know, this is how for me, I know that
I'm discerning that this right here is something that God
is in just to let it go.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
And we only truly get kind of a handful of
people that are our forever people. Yeah, so take good
care of them, you know, cherish them because they are
our forever folks. So you are you are so right there.
Now I want to ask you about some different placements,
if you will, And how does the role of fill
(14:48):
in the blank, and I'll give you what the feeling
the blank is, how does that particular thing play a
role in helping us stay grounded when a life feels heavy?
So how does the role of community help us stay
grounded when our life feel heavy?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
So for me, community is like it's like your people,
It's like you know, when I think about community, it
could be many different things, but I also think about
my church community, the Body of Christ, you know. And
(15:31):
so for me, like I said, because I had been
going through so much, you know, these last few months,
it was important for me to come together with them
because I needed encouragement. Oh my goodness, I needed to
be empowered. I need to be strengthen, you know. And
(15:52):
that's why, you know, Scripture tell us to not to forsake,
not the assembling of the Saints, because it is where
you draw your strength. It is where you know, you
get your encouragement. You know, when you know all week
you've been torn down and you've been you know, feel
like you know, people are destroying you, destroying your name
and your character, to come together with the community of
(16:14):
believers who will again empower you and strengthen and encourage you.
That that was one thing that helped me, you know,
to not crumble because I knew that even though there
were some people against me, there were definitely some people
who were for me.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah. Yeah, oh goodness, yes, that is that is so true.
What a powerful way to look at that. Thank you. Now,
how does the role of worship help to keep us
grounded when life feels heavy?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Well, no, worship is just I love worshiping a father.
For me, it helps me to stay grounded because when
I worship him, my attention is not on all all
that I'm going through, actually on him. And so when
my attention is on him and his sovereignty, he also
(17:07):
begins to reveal himself to me in other ways and
greater ways that I've never known before. So I've come
to realize that, you know, whatever I set my focus
and my attention on that's the type of fruit that
I'm going to produce. So if I want to strengthen me,
if I want the peace of God, if I want
his deliverance, then I need to set my attention on
(17:31):
the one who brings strength and weakness, who brings peace
and chaos, who is my strong deliverance. So that's what
keeps me grounded because again I'm able to see him
for who he is.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Oh, I love that. I love that, And you are
sor right. I was just sharing with our group on
last Friday, and I said, you know, when we spend
time in worship, it shows you can tell those who write,
You can tell those who have personal worship time at
(18:28):
home and those that are waiting for those designated days.
Be it that it's Bible study or it's just Sunday worship,
or if you go to church on a Saturday, whatever
days you go to church, that's the only time that
you do it. Now, this is not shaye, this is
not a dig, This is none of that. It's not
pointing a finger. But what I mean is is that
(18:50):
those that spend time with the Lord and worship, I
find that they are calmer. I find that they are
able to deal with life's chaos, the uncertainty of things, because,
like you said, they're able to refocus and recalibrate, because
it's like, oh, I've reached my limit. Time to take
it to the Lord, right and it's like, God, I've
(19:12):
done all that I can humanly do. I'm going to
bring this to you. I'm going to leave this for you,
and then I'm gonna worship and adore you and thank
you for what you are going to do because I
know my Daddy can take care of it. Right. Like,
when you have that understanding them, it really truly does
put you in a different in a different headspace. So
(19:33):
I totally understand that. Now, the last question along this
vein is what role does solitude play in helping you
stay grounded when life feels heavy?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
It is so important because even as you were just sharing,
you know about like the time and worship I'm with him,
you know, it's in that time of solitude because we
can't hear him with all the people around you, with
all the many voices that are speaking, and all the
things that are happening around you, you know, And so
(20:11):
one of the things that you know solitude. Well, for me,
it was you know, me getting by myself and him
giving me instructions. He told me in the season, be quiet,
be silent when people are coming against you, don't say
a word. And that comes with spending time in worship
(20:31):
with him. Because had I not spent time in worship
with him, I would have responded every time someone said
something to me. Still, that time of solitude, going back
to earlier, that seclusion, that that time alone so we
can rest, so that we can hear the voice of God,
so we can hear his instruction for me, that truly
helped me to stay grounded because I'm telling you, oh,
(20:55):
it could have it could have ended differently. But because
I got along with him, because I got quiet, just
like he said, you know, I was able to see
him be God.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah. Oh that was so beautiful. And you know you
are giving us such great and practical advice. Right, it's
not something that is overwhelming, like, oh my goodness, there's
fifteen steps on doing this particular thing. Thank you for
giving us very practical ways of looking at how do
(21:30):
we not be overwhelmed? And what are some things we
can do? So I want to ask you one last
question along that vein, and that is there may be
someone saying, Pastor, I hear what you have to say,
but you recalled to ministry. I'm just a regular old
person and sometimes my life is too big, and I
(21:51):
don't know how to pray, or I don't know what
to say when I pray, or I don't even have
time to pray anymore. I'm just so exhausted. To someone
who needs a little bit of encouragement or perhaps a
first step of what they can do to make sure
that they don't stop praying and spending time with God.
(22:12):
What could they do?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
So when when I was going through one of the
things that God told me about is to study my word,
he said, let my word play. That's that's what he said,
you know. So for that person who made me feel
like I don't even have time to read, I don't
have time whatever, you know, play the word. That's what
he told me do. He said, play my word. And
(22:36):
that's literally what I did all day. And as I
played his word, and I played and played it, his
word began to get in me and it became it's
like I begin to believe, you know, this is what happens,
like it causes you to believe what you hear because
you hear it so much, you know, you begin to
(22:58):
know him. And so you know, Scripture says in the
beginning was the Word, and the word was with God,
and the word was God. If I want to spend
if I want to grow closer with God, then I
spend time with God. And what is God? God is
his word. And so I just feel like that is
so important, just that time in his words, so that
(23:21):
you know, we can watch his word and literally so
that did. I watch his word manifest in so many
areas I know had become immersed in his words. So
you know, the more we listen to it, the more
we become immersed in it. And the more we can
become immersed in it, then you know that reconnection is
automatic because I'm connecting to his word, which means I'm
(23:44):
connecting to him right right.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Oh, that was that was so so important to hear.
You know, it made me think as you were as
you were saying that, you know, let it play. What
popped in my head was and we see it in
uh in of the movies. But if you grew up
in the South and you are of a particular age,
then you know that your grandmother used to have the
(24:08):
records or the radio with scripture, a sermon, something playing
in the background, and it was just simply one all
the time. Now we in the movies of toy it
kind of pokes fun just a little bit, and it's
like you go of a grandmother's house, you're gonna you're
(24:29):
gonna get a sermon, You're gonna get a piece of
a word if you go to grandma's house and spend
some time there because it's playing in the background. I
think our generation has a version of that, and that
is having music playing all the time. We kind of
just put it on. I know in my household. Uh,
it's on in the kitchen, right. So you're gonna know
something from a hymn to you know, a Christian pop to,
(24:54):
you know, Christian whatever it is. You're gonna hear a
little bit of everything, because you never know what's gonna
come on the radio. Right Because to me, each form
of music is like having a different type of meal.
And sometimes you need something that is soothing and calming.
Sometimes you need something that's that you can kind of
just bob your head to and go, oh, I like that,
(25:16):
and then it's you know, the song of the day
because you can't stop singing it and sometimes you just
need that song that's gonna stir your spirit so much
that you find tears running down your face and you're
just like, ooh, I didn't even know I needed to
do that, right, So you just never know. I love that.
What a beautiful way. Just let my word play. Oh,
(25:39):
thank you Lert for that one. Thank you past the
time you should for sharing that. That is that is
definitely something that everyone can do. I love that. I
love that. Now. My very last question for you today
is though you are an educator and thank you so
much for teaching the next generation and you work and ministry.
(26:01):
Thank you for following your kingdom call. You are also
an author. Please tell me about your book.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Well, I have to embracing me and the power of
worship unluck in heaven. So embracing me is all about
knowing your kingdom identity. According to the Father says, the
power of worship is getting to know the Father, and
so those books are it basically the power of worship
(26:35):
is basically it teaches about what worship is. You know,
there are areas what is the object of our worship.
What does it look like to go deeper? What does
it look like to you know, experience the greater glory?
And so and I think that's my favorite. I love
both of them, but that's my favorite. And I think
(26:55):
because it's more focused on him than it is on me.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, Oh, I love it. I love it well, Pastor
TEMI thank you so much for spending some time with
us here today. I have truly enjoyed my conversation with you.
And before I let you leave, of course, there may
be someone who wants to reach out to you, stay
in contact with you or with the church. So please,
what is the best way for those who want to
(27:22):
stay in contact with you to do so.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I am on Facebook. To me see a Pope Butcher
Instagram as well, same thing to me see a Pope Butcher.
And my website is to me see a Butcher ministry.
So please feel free to reach out, need prayer, anything
like that.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I love it. Thank you again for coming on and
sharing with us today.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Thank you, Docna and John
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