July 16, 2025 • 39 mins
This week on the Daly Dose, we are joined by entrepreneur, philanthropist, and a walking testament to the power of transforming one’s life: Dr. Glenn Toby!
From experiencing homelessness as a child on the streets of Brooklyn to becoming a music industry pioneer, and a wealth manager for a number of stars including LL Cool J, Olympian Samyr Laine, actors Lance Reddick and Jason Weaver, NFL stars Asante Samuel, Antonio Freeman, and Josh Evans, and World Champion Boxer O'Neil "Supernova" Bell!
We discuss his early education, how living in poverty can shape a young person and the incredible amount of hip hop talent that was coming out of New York in the early 1980’s!
Dr. Toby shares his methods for working with some of the biggest stars in music, sports and entertainment and some of the many lessons that he learned along the way!
We also talk about Dr. Toby’s passion project that is called the Book Bank Foundation which is making a positive impact by providing homeless children and their families with resources for combating illiteracy!
Finally Dr. Toby shares his new project called The Winner’s Circle that is helping young athletes find the best situations in the Name and Likeness aspect of collegiate sports!
From experiencing homelessness as a child on the streets of Brooklyn to becoming a music industry pioneer, and a wealth manager for a number of stars including LL Cool J, Olympian Samyr Laine, actors Lance Reddick and Jason Weaver, NFL stars Asante Samuel, Antonio Freeman, and Josh Evans, and World Champion Boxer O'Neil "Supernova" Bell!
We discuss his early education, how living in poverty can shape a young person and the incredible amount of hip hop talent that was coming out of New York in the early 1980’s!
Dr. Toby shares his methods for working with some of the biggest stars in music, sports and entertainment and some of the many lessons that he learned along the way!
We also talk about Dr. Toby’s passion project that is called the Book Bank Foundation which is making a positive impact by providing homeless children and their families with resources for combating illiteracy!
Finally Dr. Toby shares his new project called The Winner’s Circle that is helping young athletes find the best situations in the Name and Likeness aspect of collegiate sports!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Wednesday, July sixteenth, twenty twenty five, you are listening to
the Daily Dose Sports podcast and I am your host,
Clinton Daily, coming to you for MYICD here in Denver, Colorado,
and we are back for another week of talking sports
with a dose of common sense. Hey, happy Wednesday to you.
Look now, but you are halfway to another weekend. I
hope your week is going well. I hope whether you're
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at school or at work, or maybe on vacation, maybe
just hanging out enjoying the summer. I hope that wherever
you are, you, your family, your friends are all staying strong,
and you're all staying healthy right now. And yes, let's
be real clear about one thing. We are in a
dry time of year. There's not a lot going on
(00:51):
right now in the world of sports. It's a little
bit of a struggle. Yes, I know, the Major League
Baseball All Star Game took place in Atlanta last night.
Big who cares the home run derby was on Monday night?
I mean, I guess, But one quick side note, Wow,
(01:16):
has ESPN managed to butcher that event? Look, I know
this is going to be taken as some old men
get off my line.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I understand that but do you remember when we actually
knew everyone in the Home Run Derby? Okay, I know
players don't want to go out there and possibly embarrass themselves.
We see it in the NBA with the Dunk contest
as well. Fine, remember though, when the All Star uniforms
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didn't look like they forgot to put the logo on
half of them, Because that's not how they look this year.
They look like it was a mistake. Oh, you forgot
to do the other half. No, that's actually how they come.
Remember in the Home Run Derby when it was just
ten outs, Yeah, that was way easier to keep track of.
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Now you've got thirty seven pitches and like you can
earn some more. I don't even understand just ten outs
it was easy. Remember on ESPN when we didn't have
that stupid split screen and you could actually see the
event taking place. Yeah, those days are over. Look. Like
I said, I know this is all old men, get
(02:28):
off my line stuff. I get it. I also understand
this event is not for me, it's for little kids.
But that doesn't mean I'm not right. Ugh. It's just
a tough time a year right now. I mean we're
just in a dry season. No, I'm not gonna break
down the All Star Game. I'm not gonna break down
the home run Derby. I'm not gonna break down Wimbledon.
(02:48):
I don't care. I just don't, you know what. In fact,
I'd much rather talk to someone that's actually interesting than
any of this boring summer stuff. In fact, I have
someone lined up. Let's just get over to that right now.
Joining us this week on the Daily Dose, we have
a very special guest that I'm really looking forward to
(03:10):
speaking to you because he's got some different things going on,
and he's got some really good stuff that I like.
Because doctor Glen Toby is not just a philanthropist. He's
not just this entrepreneur out there. He's a walking testament
to the power of transforming your life, from experiencing homelessness
as a kid on the streets of Brooklyn to becoming
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a music industry pioneer, yes it's not just sports music
as well, and a wealth manager for a number of
elite athletes. I promise you know these people. You've heard
these names. Glenn's career spans thirty years, from eighties music
industry pioneer to the one the leaders in the entertainment
and Sports Management World. Doctor Glenn Toby, Welcome to the
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Daily Dose. I'm really glad to have you today.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I'm glad to be here. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Looking forward to this conversation. I'm I'm kind of excited
to some of the people you've represented. I be honest,
I'm big fans of But let's go back. Let's start
at the very very beginning. Where did you grow up?
What is what is your background?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I was born in Brooklyn, Crown Heights Section, raised in
Queens Queens Village College, Hollis Area, went to school there
and as a New Yorker, went through the Five boroughs,
building that life of mine once I got to got
out of high school and started working and developing my
what is to life life today?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
What was your home life like growing up? What were
you how was homeland? Both parents on the home? What
do you got going? What's what's going on at home?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah? Well, my mother migrated from Atlanta, Georgia. Father wasn't
in my life. I experienced youth homelessness early from there,
bouncing around support of family, friends, loved ones, government assistants
and programs that got us, you know, to bridge us
to more stable housing. By the time I got to
the seventh grade at that time, you know, the academic side,
but was always an outgoing personality, which how the music
(05:05):
came into play. Mister Sweety g On one of the
pioneers of hip hop in the Queensboro of New York,
you know, birthed in the bronx Is just before records
came about, and as I was trying to figure out
my life through business, I had the honor of joining
Charles Fisher and Brian the Tour to manage Oh Cool
Jay for over four years. We did the mister Smith
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album What You See Behind Me and with His Lover
and so many other hits on it, and then we
did a show with Quincy Jones called in the House.
We did the Fooboo Deal and so much more. And
to my career, I discovered David Banner, the rapper Positive K,
worked with Saigon and so many others, and music was
a bridge to a greater place for me.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Was music a part of your of your youth? Were
you kind of raised on music as a kid? What
were you what were you hearing in your house? What
were you hearing when wherever you were staying. Was music
a big part of your life? Growing up? Was it sports?
Was it music?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah? It was more music. I'd say the gift of
song is what kept me strong, and that's the path
that I carried all along. I mean some people went
to something else, but I thought that was my wealth,
so I invested in it like I was trying to
preserve my health.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, yeah, no, I totally get it. What kind of
an impact looking back now, music just getting you through.
Forget the business end of it. Music is this weird
almost drug that can carry you, take you back to
a place you were fifty years ago and totally change
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your outlook. How is music affecting you at a young age?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I think, you know, having exposure to the world. You know,
my at a young age, you have to focus a lot,
You have to be disciplined when you're a kid that's displaced.
So my brother and I we had to listen to
what our parents would tell us, my mother and my grandmother,
and we still were adventurous and curious. So I think
I picked up the sounds, whether it was the subway
going by, horns blowing, uh, somebody selling tickets in front
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of the garden. All of these things I think were
notes on my sheet paper of life. You know, I
think I picked up the indelible parts of life. I
think I picked up things that I saw conscious and
subconscious mind and music and the spirit of music. The
response from the crowd. Writing, telling a story following a
formula was part of the package. And the magic or
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secret recipe for me to cook the best food for
the world to eat that I would give away for
free and sometimes.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So Now you spoke a little bit about being homeless
at a very young age, and there's a lot of
a lot of misconceptions even about you know, young kids.
What's the biggest misconception that you've kind of witnessed that
you see over and over about, you know, people that
grew up in poverty like that.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I think that every person is two to three paychecks,
rent payments, mortgage payments, or least paying you're rented out.
I mean two three. Everybody's life changes if you don't
have reserve capital, if you don't have access to getting loans,
or you don't have money saved, or you don't have
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a financial education or awareness. I think we're all subjected
to the same thing. If you're educated. Financial education can
make a difference. I think critical thinking methods, emotional intelligence
all are very important. And I think we judge people
at their worst. We take somebody's entire life and measure
them by their biggest laws instead of looking at the
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framework by their greatest victory. And I think a person
that has mastered the ability to lose and overcome losing
that learns from it, extrapulates from it, pre plans, adjusts,
kind of interprets what was missing or I gave too
much of this, I didn't give enough of that. That's
called the champion. So I think people are always judging
the loss, the lonely, and the forgotten by their worst
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effort or probably their last effort, instead of the continuation
of what they bring to the table as people the
best of them. We look at the worst in people generally,
not the best.
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let's get back to our interview with doctor Glenn Toby.
(09:53):
You spoke a little bit about it just a minute ago.
You spoke about how important it is to get that education.
What kind of education did you end up getting in
that situation? Or hey, homeless bouncing maybe around, what kind
of education did you did you get?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
It gives you an amazing instinct to know when you're
safe and when you're not safe. You know, my mother
had to escort my brother and I into the lady's
bathroom to go to the bathroom and just hold the
stalls because you know, she was my mother was so
far ahead she wanted to make sure nothing happened, we
weren't abused or heard. Timing yourself and conditioning yourself to
have the patience to know if we were riding the
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train waiting for the next place that we were going
to stay with it's a hotel or a relative. We
had have patience, and I was very impatient as a youth,
but that being rambunctious and adventurous drove to curiosity and
drove for me to have the ability to adapt and
adverse conditions. It allowed me to govern myself properly and
be able to connect, resonate and read the room better
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than the average person. And last to always pull and
be able to be creative, to have resource not just
for myself but others, and not be a disruption when
I'm coming into new environments.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
As you're growing up and you end up going into
kind of the management side of things, whether it was music,
whether it was sports, whatever. What was kind of your
focus of study as you as you got older, Did
you have a specific academic kind of focus that you
kind of honed in on and said that's going to
help me the best long run.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I loved social studies, I loved politics, I loved learning.
I just loved learning. Then obviously English I was given.
I think my left and right brain support one another.
And you know, some people say I'm just good with numbers,
and I am stoic and logical, non emotional. Some people
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are just creative and can't follow manuals or can't sit
inside a box. With the framework, I was able to
navigate with that and still center myself to be able
to pull from both tool boxes. So I think what
it did was it allowed me to draw from different
positions when I didn't do so well. And we were
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compromised in terms of safety, but never had any issues.
We were never at harm, compromised in being able to
go in your own refrigerator and have a snack versus
when you had it. There really was continuity in the
framework of my spirit, my mind, and my character. It
didn't tear us away from the good grounding that our
parents gave us.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
So you're growing up as this young kid, How in
the world do you get into talent management? What is
the path that you took to actually start managing talent?
How did this happen?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
What happened was a positive K who was a rapper,
had some great hits. I produced his first record, I
wrote his first record. I managed him with my brother Randall,
and as his career grew, I did his first record,
getting paid and he had to leave and he went
to his greatest success, and I struggled to keep him
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with me. Come on, we can do this together. I'm
the big brother. We're friends. And when I saw him
leave and take off, instead of looking at the loss,
I looked at the game. I realized that his gain
and money, popularity, fame as he had to leave us
for management, was a gain for me too. It meant
that I was able to water the seed. I was
able to help create an environment that would foster a
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seed turning into a harvest. So I said, wait a minute.
If I can do this once, I can do it again.
I remained creative, I remained talented, and it helped me
not smother other artists or be cross competitive that if
I had another rapper or singer, that I'm not competing
against them. I was able to pivot enough to put
them in a silo so that they could foster and
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earn money for not just them, but me as well.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
When and not to drill down too far on this,
but he talked about K talked about LL a little bit.
What was going on in that area at that time.
We saw this explosion of talent coming out of that
new York, that Brooklyn area. This you know, rap was young.
Rap was not quite you know where it's at now.
(14:13):
It was still figuring things out. But my goodness, there
was an explosion of incredible talent coming out. What was
going on out there?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
What was going on? I mean, Russell Simmons was an innovator.
People talk about cool heark as, you know, the godfather
of hip hop, you know, just before the emergence of
popular culture being you know, the growth of it from
going pop crossing over. Russell was at the forefront of it.
And I had the benefit of being in the neighborhood.
(14:42):
In fact, I was a rapper that his brother run
in DMC. They used to pay to come see me,
and so did Cooljay. You know, at the peak of
my career there weren't records, so we all saw this
art form growing before our eyes. And Russell being the
consummate pioneer and visionary and entrepreneur, he gathered all of
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the talent in the Five Boroughs and many of the
cities to build, which we know his death jam So
I think he was the visionary that found it. You know,
he was the godfather of it. And people want to
talk about how He commercialized hip hop and I benefited
from that, being not just from his community, but being
one of the first rappers that came out of that group.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
What you you were one of the first rappers coming out?
What was what was the stage name? We got to
have it? What were you going by?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Mister sweety ge? Sweety Ge?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
All right? I love it? I love it. Hey, you
talked about signing ll Ell. Wasn't He wasn't Macaulay Culkin.
He wasn't four years old. But this is a child star.
Basically he's hitting as a fifteen sixteen year old. How
was he to deal with being that he had been,
you know, famous for that long? How was he when
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you when you worked for them, when you dealt with him?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Well, I had the benefit. Brian Latour was his friend,
and Brian managed him for the greatest part of his career.
Charles Fisher invited me to the team. I joined the team,
brought a lot to the table. The three of us
work collectively and then we actually started going in our
own way. But for me, I was dealing with a
grown man who was looking to who was an idealist
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with vision, with philosophy, who was learning the business as
he went. We were involved in the greatest negotiation of
his life. This is when death Jim gave him a
massive I think it was the biggest advance of the
history of hip hop. We got him that money, gave
the continuity for he and Russell to keep the relationships.
So I was dealing with a smart man that had
been through failure successes. This is just when he took
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the hat off, put the pants leg down, married Simone
his wife, started becoming a great father, going into multiple enterprises.
We brought things to the table collectively as managers the
Fuboo deal, brand deals, setting up the tour. So I
was dealing with a savvy business person who, much like myself,
was able to operate on the creative side and the
business side. I knew to stay out of his way
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and be an advocate and bring tools to the master
of design and not getting the way. And that's how
we were all able to thrive, make a lot of money,
and change culture.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Well. And you definitely did because you know, as kids,
when you thought of LLL, you thought of this bad
young dude that was coming up and hungry. Now you
look at him and he is smooth and he is polished,
and he is. He is a savvy businessman like you
spoke of. And I got to think a lot of
that was lessons that he learned in some of those
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formative years when he was just coming up.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, much of it was. But I think we created
the framework, We created the infrastructure that you know, he's
using part of it extrapolating from some of the ideology.
The concepts are missus and hits, you know, but it's
all of us. It's Charles Fisher, it's Brian Latour, it's
James Todd Smith, you know how all cool james'sself and
the providers and of services and good strategic partnerships that
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helped him thrive and build a career for me and
the rest of us as well. Start.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I do need to pick up these clients. You're getting some.
There's some names on your list, You've got some. Did
you ever have anybody that you stopped and kind of went, hey,
this is a big one. I'm landing a big one here.
Did you ever look at it that way?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I think no. I've watched these people emerge. They were
big in talent, big and possibility and potential. The vastness
of their careers O'Neil Bell, who had the honor of
finding before he was ranked. Within one year he went
from unranked to ranked and became the unified Cruise weweight
champion of the world first time in forty years. I
had no boxeting experience. I pulled from my sports intelligence
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from being within anfl agency, intuitive organic openness and staying
and playing my part on the team. Right. I'm not
an expert in sports at the time. I'm learning as
I go. I took the creativity of music. I took
the speed of entertainment and merged it with the hardcore
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principal structure of sports, whether it's fighting in the ring.
I worked with Don King in an advisory road for years,
so I saw what was real about him, what wasn't
real eating all my dealings with him is a man
that kept his word. Every word he ever told me.
He was honest, he was giving. This is the Don
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King that I met. I met these guys at different
parts of their life, and I was able to work
with him in a way that we did equitable business
that was purpose filled and we made a lot of money.
Some of the bigger artists, I just became a part
of their vast ecosystem and came in and brought value.
And that's what you have to do when you're dealing
with giants and icons. That's what you have to do
when you're dealing with brilliant people who have a lot
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of talent, sometimes more talent, more scope, and more vision
than you do. Find a way to work within the system.
Make it about the client.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
You have a really cool insight into that. And it's
funny because we always as basketball coaches, we always look
at kids and said, you know a lot of times, hey,
players won't listen. No players or whoever you're doing, they
will listen. If they think you have their best interest
at heart and you can help them, they're absolutely gonna listen.
And if that's the way you're running business, you're going
to probably be successful because you're looking to do what's
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best by them. Do you remember having maybe a defining
moment in your career that kind of change your perspective
or made you kind of look at things a little
bit differently.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Uh, not really. I think it was measure the losses,
treasure the winds. Wealth is the first step. Here's where
it all begins. You can look at them pouting, you
can look at the grins. You can count their blessings
or you can count their sins. But this is what
I say. When the wind starts to blow, we know
what we know, we win. Let it go when the
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time is right, measure it tight, and we'll see where
this ends up. A little bit of lyrical fun.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, get it. You worked with l I'm sure you
worked with more than that. You worked with a number
of actors, you know, Jason Weaver Lance for Reddick. You
worked with athletes, track and field apians, You're lane. I
mean NFL players are Sante, Samuel Antonio, Freeman, Josh Evans,
neither big time athletes. I gotta ask you. I know
I'm a sports guy, but I gotta ask you. Athletes,
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Hollywood musicians, doesn't matter. Is it all the same to you?
Does it make any difference?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It's all entertainment based.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
If you're respectful and you humble yourself and you're not
bigger than the client, and you don't fall in their shadow,
you realize they're all CEOs. Some aer CEOs that are
wearing helmets on their head, sure, some aer CEOs that
play instruments, summer CEOs that change characters. All the time,
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and if you as the leader, the manager, the protector
part of the design, they switch real quick. They'll go
from plausible, logical, smart, creative business people to someone that
doesn't read a contract, is not dealing in logic, is
extremely impatient, and is operating inside the framework of the plan.
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You have to be able to move with them, but
stay rooted to the ethics, the plan, the strategy, and
still be able to pivot with their genius. That is
the challenge. They're all pretty much the same, but none
of them are completely the same.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Did you ever like notice like similarities. Hey, I'm dealing
with an athlete. The athletes kind of tend to deal
with me in this certain way. Or is it just
across the board They're all kind of the same. You
just got to deal with individuals.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I think the missives and the problems are generally the same.
If you embarrass a big client, the ego access what
they claim is theirs, whether it's their relationships with girlfriends
or a client that as a relationship and you know
she's concerned about her boyfriend, love interests, family health, mental
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health issues, financial issues are just human beings, and when
you're able to acknowledge their fallibility and their shortcomings. You're
the person that they trust. You're the person that they're
willing to guide and to make the difference. So you
can't be judgmental. You have to give them enough room
to fail, but not give them too much room to
become a failure.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Sure, and how do you kind of tell that line?
How do you how do you know how how far
you can you can kind of push here? I mean,
because is that just instinct?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Great answer, Most of it is instinct. But even when
the instinct fails, you need to have structure. And if
the artist goes completely off the rails, if things go
back where they're going to prison, they have an injury,
mental health issue, alcoholism, or just a stalled career. You
have to be the stable person that they can't move.
The client's work should move you, not their attitudes, their egos,
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their proclivities, or their shortcoming. You have to be moved
by the success of them, or be moved to help
in the lack of success. To move them where do
they have to go? You have to be you have
to be solid, and you have to encumber all of
the fault all of the mistakes and everything without without.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Exception, what lessons have you learned do you think from
managing these different people? And I know, you know, I
know in coaching, there's so many things that I took
from coaching. They're not even athletic lessons, but I took
so many things, even from the way I you know,
I raise my kids in the way that you know,
I deal with my wife. Whatever that I took from coaching,
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I took from dealing with people. What are the lessons
that you've kind of taken just from your your management
career that you've maybe taken into your life.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
It's taught me with relationships. Sometimes relationships change, they change
and permanently change and remain relationships forever. Sometimes relationships completely
end on the second and everything you did before is
gone as well. It's pretty much a race. It doesn't
matter because of either the client or yourself or as
a group. And I've learned how to terminate things without
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it being necessarily ending in perpetuity to a negative always
to the game. And sometimes that's you having to suck
it up or be quiet, or take the loss or
ignore something so that you can have a good story
to tell. Oftentimes, when you're dealing with the talent that's
the business. They want to take the entire scope of
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what you've agreed to, the scope of work, the scope
of understanding, and they say, I am the talent, so
nothing else matters with me. You have to know how
to deal with that and measure it and sometimes take
a complete loss and walk away and take what's been valued,
even if it's just an education, a few dollars or
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access to experience. Sometimes you got to lose in order
to win.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
You know, I think back to coaching, and I'm sure
you have the same thing, and you don't have to
name names. Did you have those people that were talented
that you look back and said, they just didn't, for
whatever reason, materialize that the way I thought they were
going to or the way that maybe they even could have.
Because I think of so many kids that I coach.
I'm looking at him in physics grade. They're going, hey,
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this kid's gonna be the next No, for whatever reason.
Did you have those kind of stories? I'm sure you
have a million of them.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
You have it more than not. There's so many talented
people that don't make it, and you know someone you
could have a client that doesn't pay you, doesn't pay
the invoice, doesn't give you a commission, cuts you out, disappears,
and a lot of times you know just the balance
of the universe how God works. People call it karma,
that readjustment in their personal spiritual life. Whether it affects
their family or them, it can affect them to where
(26:34):
they end up in prison, where they're out of the game,
where they have partners that aren't iss endearing to their
life and successes. Maybe you might be. You win by default.
You want to be the default, not the fault. Default,
not the fault. Fair.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, absolutely fair by the same token. I gotta flip it.
Did you ever have people that you signed that you said,
there's no way this person's doing anything and they surprise
you in a good way?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
No, because I did? I did? Yeah, because I didn't.
I wasn't. I put one hundred percent of my work
into my talent and my clients that I represent they
represent me. So I don't want to buy my website,
I don't want to know them if I'm not in
love with the work they're doing and love with a legacy.
I've never touched it. Whether I've been extremely well off
financially or had absolutely no money, I've always played for perpetuity.
(27:22):
I wanted my work to reflect me. I wanted people
to look at my body of work. I mean, that's
what represents me. That's been my wealth, that's been my health,
that's been my story, it's been my platform and how
I communicate with the world. And that's how I got
on his show.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Okay, I've got to ask you. There's a big one.
You started an endeavor called the Book Bank Foundation that
is making a positive impact by providing homeless children and
their families with resources for combating literacy. What inspired this
foundation and why was it so personal to you?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You know, I had an amazing year. One year company
did well over what we had projected for revenue in
five years. We achieved it in less a matter of months.
And to the football season. I said, how did I
come out of the situation that I came out of?
I know it was love, spirituality, respecting God, hard work.
But I said, you know, where do I do? What
(28:19):
can I do next? But that isn't just marked by
my lifestyle, living in wonderful homes, having access to things
that I want and desire, my dreams coming true? And
I said, what can I do to make a difference.
I said, to go back and make another me, guide
another me. Find some kid that's almost there, that's not
(28:39):
even there, some kid that doesn't want to share, whose
cupboards are there.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
And that was me.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I said, let me go back and show them the
gift of giving, how to give, how to go in
and change your community. If the condition of the community
doesn't look the way you want it to be, you
can have an effect on it. If financially you don't
like where you are, you don't have enough money saved,
you don't have the right invents, you don't have good money,
habits that can be changed. So the art of change
is in doing the work. I thought about book, which
(29:07):
is where we learn right instruction, manuals, religious books. I
thought about bank. We have an emotional bank, of spiritual bank,
a financial bank. You put those two together. That is
the resolve to ignorance because you are taking away from
education and wisdom and teaching, and then you're saving it
in a place to resolve issues and challenges you have.
(29:29):
Book Bank Foundation been around for twenty nine years. We
serve the loss, the lonely, and the forgotten through three
of our many programs, our groceries to grow where we
deliver food to people who haven't figured out how to budget,
how to plan with good dietary practices, how to put
meals together, or may not have the money to know
how to shop. We give them that until we can
(29:49):
help them have the groceries they know to grow out
of this situation and have stability and continuity to be
able to take care of themselves for life. We do
something called one block of the time. We go into
the communities. What we do as we clean up the community,
we have everybody come out and pick up dirt, I
mean move dirt, lent, garbage, trash, even we work with
(30:10):
the city to move refrigerators or tires that are there.
And then we're doing something this summer this month where
we have a camp aviation camp lived by Captain John Addison,
where we take several kids from the age of twelve
to nineteen and we teach them the step science, technology, engineering,
arithmetic and math. We'll go to training in the classroom
(30:34):
and online all the way up to them actually flying
the airplane and getting certified.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
This is absolutely outstanding. I love the work that you're doing.
I love the fact that not only are you giving
some kids some tools. These are tools for life. This
is not a tool for right now and it'll get you. No, no, no,
this is something you're gonna take with you for the
rest of your life. Not just changing it changing a life.
And that is absolutely incredible and very very inspiring. You know,
(31:07):
I talk to people, and we would talk to kids
or whatever. We'd say, hey, who are you helping? What
are you doing? If you're spending too much time worrying
about your own situation a lot of times, one thing
you can always do is go help someone else and
you'll be amazed at how much it changes your life.
But what advice would you give to someone who wants
to maybe get involved in their community, doesn't quite know
(31:29):
where to start. How would it be the best way
to get started.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
The more you give, the more you live. And a
cup that runneth over forever means that you are in
sync with the universe and that you're being blessed, You're
doing something in somebody else's prayers or well wishes, or
your faith kind of monetizes not just your money, but
(31:53):
your mission and your purpose in life. You know, I
call it gifting, gift giving and faith and trust. I'm
giving to you in faith, I aspire. My spirit tells
me you're gonna do well, and you're gonna give this
gift and you're gonna be a blessing to somebody and
trust meaning I'm trusting you having a responsibility. So giving
(32:15):
a gift is the greatest honor you can give. Not
only are you the curator of resolving an issue. Not
only are you, i'd say, a symbiotic chain to God's grace,
his way of coming to give us resolve and peace
and healing. We become in that chain. And when you
practice it systemically, you can get other people to do it,
(32:37):
and they'll find that there's a better way in fixing problems,
having an understanding and living collectively by giving something up
that you shouldn't be holding onto. Maybe you have too
much of it. Some call it greed, some call it selfishness.
And when you trust to let go, you know the
dynamic of life and how you live your life, Your
legacy will mandate that someone always has something just to
(33:00):
open hand for you to give, but an open hand
for you to receive.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
When you release it, absolutely, you know when you've got
an incredible story, the background that you came up with
the way you were you were, you know, growing up
and what you came from to accomplish what you have
and to be where you're at, where now you're going
back and helping people, very very similar to your background.
(33:23):
Is an incredible I mean, you want to talk about
a circle of life. My goodness, what a circle you
have taken. What's the one thing you'd like people to
take from that incredible story?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Though, it is better to answer the call of righteousness.
But we don't know what that is, like God says,
something in our ear says, you know, God told me
I wanted to be a pastor. You know what, I
think I should come out of the NBA early. Hey,
I should marry this girl. You know, I should trust
my son in this business. I haven't gone to church
or to shule or to the mosque lately. Hearing that voice,
(33:56):
you know, the whisper, I say, the whisper is the
conscious Christ Consciousness or Musta, whatever your religion is, or Buddha.
That silence that you hear where there's no words coming
out of your mouth with somebody else's is when you
are completely of continuity with the spirit of God, when
you are in the complete wellness and fullness of your purpose,
(34:18):
to know when to be quiet and listen. Yeah, yeah,
when to be more quiet so that the words that
you leave with someone in silence will resonate and come back.
We have to be humble, we have to be intuitive,
and we have to know when to turn it off
as well as when to turn it off.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Noolutely right. You couldn't have said it better. That's a
really good good way to kind of wrap this up,
Doctor w How can listeners keep up with you? How
can they keep up with what you're doing? What is
the best place to kind of find where you're at,
maybe even to support some of your causes and what
you have going. What is the best place for listeners
to come find you?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Oh, please come to my website. It's doctor Glen Toby,
d R gl eat double in and n Toby dot com.
Through there you can see my ted talk that I'm
more recently did did which will help with healing and
purpose and self discovery. I welcome everybody to go check
out my TED talk. It's on the website. It tells
you a little bit about what I'm doing, and we're
(35:16):
going to be blogging on there and giving tools. The
YouTube it's doctor Glent Toby as well, a lot of
speeches and tools that you can use for critical thinking
and to apply to your mission in life. And then
I have a book called The Four Boxes that's dropping
into ebook I'm giving away free at the end of
this month, and it is a way to discuss about healing,
how to find your resources, all for free and tune
(35:39):
in on Saturday nights to hear me playing live DJing
a global bands already on Fresh and Stem eight pm
Eastern Time, every single Saturday night live.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I love it. I am going to have to check
that out. I absolutely love that. Hey, doctor Shelby, I
want to thank you for your time. I want to
thank you for your incredible story. And you know, again,
anytime you're getting involved with you and I spoke a
little bit before I started recording, you're getting involved helping kids,
helping kids that desperately need it. And you know, we
say that all the time. I don't know if there's
(36:11):
too many kids that don't that don't need some kind
of help in some way, because you're not just giving
them a day's lesson, You're giving them a life lesson
that they're going to carry forward with them. That is
just phenomenal work. I would like to just say thank
you so much. We appreciate you being here at the
Daily Dose. Would love to love to have you back anytime.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Well, I'm honored to come here. And before I close,
because you have so many young listeners to all of
you youth who are in uh sports, middle school, high school,
even those of you in the college. Portal is a
company that I'm a partner with with some amazing gentlemen.
It's called the Winner's Circle. We do name image and likeningess.
(36:51):
What we do in the likenesses we advise you how
to go into the portal, out of the portal, how
to be recruited, helping them set up, you know, their
website and have an accountability not just as a professional
in terms of academic achievement and as well as being
you know, athletic proudness. But it's Brady Jackson and rakeem Vick.
(37:14):
We have a team of experts at the Winner Circle.
Google us find this. We're here to help you find
their space, not just the money, but the purpose.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Thank you well, and that's that's really really good information
because I feel like we have you know, we're kind
of in this wild West right now of the nil stuff,
and we've got some people that would be all too
happy to take you down a bad path as long
as they're going to get money from you. Get involved
with someone who's going to take care of you. He's
got a track record. You're gonna want to go look
(37:43):
this up. If you are getting involved in that nil stuff.
Trust me, you're gonna want someone to shepherd you that
is going to take care of you. That is key here.
There are way too many parents and way too many
young people that are getting taken advantage of. We're never
going to hear from m again. I hate to say that,
but it's absolutely true. Go find someone who's going to
take care of you. Doctor Glenn Toby. I want to
thank you so much. I really do appreciate your time today.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I'm glad to be a part of the history you've
been out. You've been one of the most trusted sources
for eleven years. I'm part so proud to be a
part of your brother. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Hey next week on dose. I know that we are
in those dog days of summer and there's just not
that much going on right now. Never fear, because we're
not just going to sit around here at the Dose
breaking down baseball lineups. That is just way too boring
for me. I can't hang. I'm telling you right now,
over the next few weeks, we are going to begin
taking a look forward to both the NFL and college
(38:37):
football seasons. We're going to take a look at some
key players, some key games, and some of the biggest
stories coming in both the NFL and college football, so
that when that season begins, you are primed and ready
for it. Because I know we're just at mid July.
I can't wait for it already. So make sure you
check out the Dose and make sure you let a
friend know the same. Hey, I want to say thank
(38:58):
you so much to doctor Glenn. I hope you for
stopping by and discussing your career and some of the
programs that you have going on right now. I really
enjoyed our visit, and I want to say thank you
to each and every one of you for listening to
the Daily Gusts every week. Thank you for the emails,
thanks for the text thank you for the tweets, but
more than anything, thank you for sharing the show, for
sharing the videos, for sharing the articles with someone that
you know we absolutely love it when you do that.
(39:20):
Perhaps they, thinking to JESP, could not do any of
this about you. I will see you all next Wednesday.
Have a great week everybody,
Wednesday, July sixteenth, twenty twenty five, you are listening to
the Daily Dose Sports podcast and I am your host,
Clinton Daily, coming to you for MYICD here in Denver, Colorado,
and we are back for another week of talking sports
with a dose of common sense. Hey, happy Wednesday to you.
Look now, but you are halfway to another weekend. I
hope your week is going well. I hope whether you're
(00:29):
at school or at work, or maybe on vacation, maybe
just hanging out enjoying the summer. I hope that wherever
you are, you, your family, your friends are all staying strong,
and you're all staying healthy right now. And yes, let's
be real clear about one thing. We are in a
dry time of year. There's not a lot going on
(00:51):
right now in the world of sports. It's a little
bit of a struggle. Yes, I know, the Major League
Baseball All Star Game took place in Atlanta last night.
Big who cares the home run derby was on Monday night?
I mean, I guess, But one quick side note, Wow,
(01:16):
has ESPN managed to butcher that event? Look, I know
this is going to be taken as some old men
get off my line.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I understand that but do you remember when we actually
knew everyone in the Home Run Derby? Okay, I know
players don't want to go out there and possibly embarrass themselves.
We see it in the NBA with the Dunk contest
as well. Fine, remember though, when the All Star uniforms
(01:46):
didn't look like they forgot to put the logo on
half of them, Because that's not how they look this year.
They look like it was a mistake. Oh, you forgot
to do the other half. No, that's actually how they come.
Remember in the Home Run Derby when it was just
ten outs, Yeah, that was way easier to keep track of.
(02:07):
Now you've got thirty seven pitches and like you can
earn some more. I don't even understand just ten outs
it was easy. Remember on ESPN when we didn't have
that stupid split screen and you could actually see the
event taking place. Yeah, those days are over. Look. Like
I said, I know this is all old men, get
(02:28):
off my line stuff. I get it. I also understand
this event is not for me, it's for little kids.
But that doesn't mean I'm not right. Ugh. It's just
a tough time a year right now. I mean we're
just in a dry season. No, I'm not gonna break
down the All Star Game. I'm not gonna break down
the home run Derby. I'm not gonna break down Wimbledon.
(02:48):
I don't care. I just don't, you know what. In fact,
I'd much rather talk to someone that's actually interesting than
any of this boring summer stuff. In fact, I have
someone lined up. Let's just get over to that right now.
Joining us this week on the Daily Dose, we have
a very special guest that I'm really looking forward to
(03:10):
speaking to you because he's got some different things going on,
and he's got some really good stuff that I like.
Because doctor Glen Toby is not just a philanthropist. He's
not just this entrepreneur out there. He's a walking testament
to the power of transforming your life, from experiencing homelessness
as a kid on the streets of Brooklyn to becoming
(03:31):
a music industry pioneer, yes it's not just sports music
as well, and a wealth manager for a number of
elite athletes. I promise you know these people. You've heard
these names. Glenn's career spans thirty years, from eighties music
industry pioneer to the one the leaders in the entertainment
and Sports Management World. Doctor Glenn Toby, Welcome to the
(03:51):
Daily Dose. I'm really glad to have you today.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I'm glad to be here. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Looking forward to this conversation. I'm I'm kind of excited
to some of the people you've represented. I be honest,
I'm big fans of But let's go back. Let's start
at the very very beginning. Where did you grow up?
What is what is your background?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I was born in Brooklyn, Crown Heights Section, raised in
Queens Queens Village College, Hollis Area, went to school there
and as a New Yorker, went through the Five boroughs,
building that life of mine once I got to got
out of high school and started working and developing my
what is to life life today?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
What was your home life like growing up? What were
you how was homeland? Both parents on the home? What
do you got going? What's what's going on at home?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah? Well, my mother migrated from Atlanta, Georgia. Father wasn't
in my life. I experienced youth homelessness early from there,
bouncing around support of family, friends, loved ones, government assistants
and programs that got us, you know, to bridge us
to more stable housing. By the time I got to
the seventh grade at that time, you know, the academic side,
but was always an outgoing personality, which how the music
(05:05):
came into play. Mister Sweety g On one of the
pioneers of hip hop in the Queensboro of New York,
you know, birthed in the bronx Is just before records
came about, and as I was trying to figure out
my life through business, I had the honor of joining
Charles Fisher and Brian the Tour to manage Oh Cool
Jay for over four years. We did the mister Smith
(05:27):
album What You See Behind Me and with His Lover
and so many other hits on it, and then we
did a show with Quincy Jones called in the House.
We did the Fooboo Deal and so much more. And
to my career, I discovered David Banner, the rapper Positive K,
worked with Saigon and so many others, and music was
a bridge to a greater place for me.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Was music a part of your of your youth? Were
you kind of raised on music as a kid? What
were you what were you hearing in your house? What
were you hearing when wherever you were staying. Was music
a big part of your life? Growing up? Was it sports?
Was it music?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah? It was more music. I'd say the gift of
song is what kept me strong, and that's the path
that I carried all along. I mean some people went
to something else, but I thought that was my wealth,
so I invested in it like I was trying to
preserve my health.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, yeah, no, I totally get it. What kind of
an impact looking back now, music just getting you through.
Forget the business end of it. Music is this weird
almost drug that can carry you, take you back to
a place you were fifty years ago and totally change
(06:36):
your outlook. How is music affecting you at a young age?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I think, you know, having exposure to the world. You know,
my at a young age, you have to focus a lot,
You have to be disciplined when you're a kid that's displaced.
So my brother and I we had to listen to
what our parents would tell us, my mother and my grandmother,
and we still were adventurous and curious. So I think
I picked up the sounds, whether it was the subway
going by, horns blowing, uh, somebody selling tickets in front
(07:05):
of the garden. All of these things I think were
notes on my sheet paper of life. You know, I
think I picked up the indelible parts of life. I
think I picked up things that I saw conscious and
subconscious mind and music and the spirit of music. The
response from the crowd. Writing, telling a story following a
formula was part of the package. And the magic or
(07:30):
secret recipe for me to cook the best food for
the world to eat that I would give away for
free and sometimes.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So Now you spoke a little bit about being homeless
at a very young age, and there's a lot of
a lot of misconceptions even about you know, young kids.
What's the biggest misconception that you've kind of witnessed that
you see over and over about, you know, people that
grew up in poverty like that.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I think that every person is two to three paychecks,
rent payments, mortgage payments, or least paying you're rented out.
I mean two three. Everybody's life changes if you don't
have reserve capital, if you don't have access to getting loans,
or you don't have money saved, or you don't have
(08:15):
a financial education or awareness. I think we're all subjected
to the same thing. If you're educated. Financial education can
make a difference. I think critical thinking methods, emotional intelligence
all are very important. And I think we judge people
at their worst. We take somebody's entire life and measure
them by their biggest laws instead of looking at the
(08:36):
framework by their greatest victory. And I think a person
that has mastered the ability to lose and overcome losing
that learns from it, extrapulates from it, pre plans, adjusts,
kind of interprets what was missing or I gave too
much of this, I didn't give enough of that. That's
called the champion. So I think people are always judging
the loss, the lonely, and the forgotten by their worst
(08:59):
effort or probably their last effort, instead of the continuation
of what they bring to the table as people the
best of them. We look at the worst in people generally,
not the best.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Hey, remember that you should be stopping by dailydo Sports
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(09:31):
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let's get back to our interview with doctor Glenn Toby.
(09:53):
You spoke a little bit about it just a minute ago.
You spoke about how important it is to get that education.
What kind of education did you end up getting in
that situation? Or hey, homeless bouncing maybe around, what kind
of education did you did you get?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
It gives you an amazing instinct to know when you're
safe and when you're not safe. You know, my mother
had to escort my brother and I into the lady's
bathroom to go to the bathroom and just hold the
stalls because you know, she was my mother was so
far ahead she wanted to make sure nothing happened, we
weren't abused or heard. Timing yourself and conditioning yourself to
have the patience to know if we were riding the
(10:31):
train waiting for the next place that we were going
to stay with it's a hotel or a relative. We
had have patience, and I was very impatient as a youth,
but that being rambunctious and adventurous drove to curiosity and
drove for me to have the ability to adapt and
adverse conditions. It allowed me to govern myself properly and
be able to connect, resonate and read the room better
(10:53):
than the average person. And last to always pull and
be able to be creative, to have resource not just
for myself but others, and not be a disruption when
I'm coming into new environments.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
As you're growing up and you end up going into
kind of the management side of things, whether it was music,
whether it was sports, whatever. What was kind of your
focus of study as you as you got older, Did
you have a specific academic kind of focus that you
kind of honed in on and said that's going to
help me the best long run.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I loved social studies, I loved politics, I loved learning.
I just loved learning. Then obviously English I was given.
I think my left and right brain support one another.
And you know, some people say I'm just good with numbers,
and I am stoic and logical, non emotional. Some people
(11:47):
are just creative and can't follow manuals or can't sit
inside a box. With the framework, I was able to
navigate with that and still center myself to be able
to pull from both tool boxes. So I think what
it did was it allowed me to draw from different
positions when I didn't do so well. And we were
(12:08):
compromised in terms of safety, but never had any issues.
We were never at harm, compromised in being able to
go in your own refrigerator and have a snack versus
when you had it. There really was continuity in the
framework of my spirit, my mind, and my character. It
didn't tear us away from the good grounding that our
parents gave us.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
So you're growing up as this young kid, How in
the world do you get into talent management? What is
the path that you took to actually start managing talent?
How did this happen?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
What happened was a positive K who was a rapper,
had some great hits. I produced his first record, I
wrote his first record. I managed him with my brother Randall,
and as his career grew, I did his first record,
getting paid and he had to leave and he went
to his greatest success, and I struggled to keep him
(13:03):
with me. Come on, we can do this together. I'm
the big brother. We're friends. And when I saw him
leave and take off, instead of looking at the loss,
I looked at the game. I realized that his gain
and money, popularity, fame as he had to leave us
for management, was a gain for me too. It meant
that I was able to water the seed. I was
able to help create an environment that would foster a
(13:26):
seed turning into a harvest. So I said, wait a minute.
If I can do this once, I can do it again.
I remained creative, I remained talented, and it helped me
not smother other artists or be cross competitive that if
I had another rapper or singer, that I'm not competing
against them. I was able to pivot enough to put
them in a silo so that they could foster and
(13:47):
earn money for not just them, but me as well.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
When and not to drill down too far on this,
but he talked about K talked about LL a little bit.
What was going on in that area at that time.
We saw this explosion of talent coming out of that
new York, that Brooklyn area. This you know, rap was young.
Rap was not quite you know where it's at now.
(14:13):
It was still figuring things out. But my goodness, there
was an explosion of incredible talent coming out. What was
going on out there?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
What was going on? I mean, Russell Simmons was an innovator.
People talk about cool heark as, you know, the godfather
of hip hop, you know, just before the emergence of
popular culture being you know, the growth of it from
going pop crossing over. Russell was at the forefront of it.
And I had the benefit of being in the neighborhood.
(14:42):
In fact, I was a rapper that his brother run
in DMC. They used to pay to come see me,
and so did Cooljay. You know, at the peak of
my career there weren't records, so we all saw this
art form growing before our eyes. And Russell being the
consummate pioneer and visionary and entrepreneur, he gathered all of
(15:04):
the talent in the Five Boroughs and many of the
cities to build, which we know his death jam So
I think he was the visionary that found it. You know,
he was the godfather of it. And people want to
talk about how He commercialized hip hop and I benefited
from that, being not just from his community, but being
one of the first rappers that came out of that group.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
What you you were one of the first rappers coming out?
What was what was the stage name? We got to
have it? What were you going by?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Mister sweety ge? Sweety Ge?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
All right? I love it? I love it. Hey, you
talked about signing ll Ell. Wasn't He wasn't Macaulay Culkin.
He wasn't four years old. But this is a child star.
Basically he's hitting as a fifteen sixteen year old. How
was he to deal with being that he had been,
you know, famous for that long? How was he when
(15:51):
you when you worked for them, when you dealt with him?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Well, I had the benefit. Brian Latour was his friend,
and Brian managed him for the greatest part of his career.
Charles Fisher invited me to the team. I joined the team,
brought a lot to the table. The three of us
work collectively and then we actually started going in our
own way. But for me, I was dealing with a
grown man who was looking to who was an idealist
(16:14):
with vision, with philosophy, who was learning the business as
he went. We were involved in the greatest negotiation of
his life. This is when death Jim gave him a
massive I think it was the biggest advance of the
history of hip hop. We got him that money, gave
the continuity for he and Russell to keep the relationships.
So I was dealing with a smart man that had
been through failure successes. This is just when he took
(16:35):
the hat off, put the pants leg down, married Simone
his wife, started becoming a great father, going into multiple enterprises.
We brought things to the table collectively as managers the
Fuboo deal, brand deals, setting up the tour. So I
was dealing with a savvy business person who, much like myself,
was able to operate on the creative side and the
business side. I knew to stay out of his way
(16:58):
and be an advocate and bring tools to the master
of design and not getting the way. And that's how
we were all able to thrive, make a lot of money,
and change culture.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Well. And you definitely did because you know, as kids,
when you thought of LLL, you thought of this bad
young dude that was coming up and hungry. Now you
look at him and he is smooth and he is polished,
and he is. He is a savvy businessman like you
spoke of. And I got to think a lot of
that was lessons that he learned in some of those
(17:28):
formative years when he was just coming up.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, much of it was. But I think we created
the framework, We created the infrastructure that you know, he's
using part of it extrapolating from some of the ideology.
The concepts are missus and hits, you know, but it's
all of us. It's Charles Fisher, it's Brian Latour, it's
James Todd Smith, you know how all cool james'sself and
the providers and of services and good strategic partnerships that
(17:55):
helped him thrive and build a career for me and
the rest of us as well. Start.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I do need to pick up these clients. You're getting some.
There's some names on your list, You've got some. Did
you ever have anybody that you stopped and kind of went, hey,
this is a big one. I'm landing a big one here.
Did you ever look at it that way?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I think no. I've watched these people emerge. They were
big in talent, big and possibility and potential. The vastness
of their careers O'Neil Bell, who had the honor of
finding before he was ranked. Within one year he went
from unranked to ranked and became the unified Cruise weweight
champion of the world first time in forty years. I
had no boxeting experience. I pulled from my sports intelligence
(18:36):
from being within anfl agency, intuitive organic openness and staying
and playing my part on the team. Right. I'm not
an expert in sports at the time. I'm learning as
I go. I took the creativity of music. I took
the speed of entertainment and merged it with the hardcore
(18:57):
principal structure of sports, whether it's fighting in the ring.
I worked with Don King in an advisory road for years,
so I saw what was real about him, what wasn't
real eating all my dealings with him is a man
that kept his word. Every word he ever told me.
He was honest, he was giving. This is the Don
(19:18):
King that I met. I met these guys at different
parts of their life, and I was able to work
with him in a way that we did equitable business
that was purpose filled and we made a lot of money.
Some of the bigger artists, I just became a part
of their vast ecosystem and came in and brought value.
And that's what you have to do when you're dealing
with giants and icons. That's what you have to do
when you're dealing with brilliant people who have a lot
(19:39):
of talent, sometimes more talent, more scope, and more vision
than you do. Find a way to work within the system.
Make it about the client.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
You have a really cool insight into that. And it's
funny because we always as basketball coaches, we always look
at kids and said, you know a lot of times, hey,
players won't listen. No players or whoever you're doing, they
will listen. If they think you have their best interest
at heart and you can help them, they're absolutely gonna listen.
And if that's the way you're running business, you're going
to probably be successful because you're looking to do what's
(20:08):
best by them. Do you remember having maybe a defining
moment in your career that kind of change your perspective
or made you kind of look at things a little
bit differently.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Uh, not really. I think it was measure the losses,
treasure the winds. Wealth is the first step. Here's where
it all begins. You can look at them pouting, you
can look at the grins. You can count their blessings
or you can count their sins. But this is what
I say. When the wind starts to blow, we know
what we know, we win. Let it go when the
(20:40):
time is right, measure it tight, and we'll see where
this ends up. A little bit of lyrical fun.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, get it. You worked with l I'm sure you
worked with more than that. You worked with a number
of actors, you know, Jason Weaver Lance for Reddick. You
worked with athletes, track and field apians, You're lane. I
mean NFL players are Sante, Samuel Antonio, Freeman, Josh Evans,
neither big time athletes. I gotta ask you. I know
I'm a sports guy, but I gotta ask you. Athletes,
(21:11):
Hollywood musicians, doesn't matter. Is it all the same to you?
Does it make any difference?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It's all entertainment based.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
If you're respectful and you humble yourself and you're not
bigger than the client, and you don't fall in their shadow,
you realize they're all CEOs. Some aer CEOs that are
wearing helmets on their head, sure, some aer CEOs that
play instruments, summer CEOs that change characters. All the time,
(21:40):
and if you as the leader, the manager, the protector
part of the design, they switch real quick. They'll go
from plausible, logical, smart, creative business people to someone that
doesn't read a contract, is not dealing in logic, is
extremely impatient, and is operating inside the framework of the plan.
(22:02):
You have to be able to move with them, but
stay rooted to the ethics, the plan, the strategy, and
still be able to pivot with their genius. That is
the challenge. They're all pretty much the same, but none
of them are completely the same.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Did you ever like notice like similarities. Hey, I'm dealing
with an athlete. The athletes kind of tend to deal
with me in this certain way. Or is it just
across the board They're all kind of the same. You
just got to deal with individuals.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I think the missives and the problems are generally the same.
If you embarrass a big client, the ego access what
they claim is theirs, whether it's their relationships with girlfriends
or a client that as a relationship and you know
she's concerned about her boyfriend, love interests, family health, mental
(22:56):
health issues, financial issues are just human beings, and when
you're able to acknowledge their fallibility and their shortcomings. You're
the person that they trust. You're the person that they're
willing to guide and to make the difference. So you
can't be judgmental. You have to give them enough room
to fail, but not give them too much room to
become a failure.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Sure, and how do you kind of tell that line?
How do you how do you know how how far
you can you can kind of push here? I mean,
because is that just instinct?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Great answer, Most of it is instinct. But even when
the instinct fails, you need to have structure. And if
the artist goes completely off the rails, if things go
back where they're going to prison, they have an injury,
mental health issue, alcoholism, or just a stalled career. You
have to be the stable person that they can't move.
The client's work should move you, not their attitudes, their egos,
(23:50):
their proclivities, or their shortcoming. You have to be moved
by the success of them, or be moved to help
in the lack of success. To move them where do
they have to go? You have to be you have
to be solid, and you have to encumber all of
the fault all of the mistakes and everything without without.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Exception, what lessons have you learned do you think from
managing these different people? And I know, you know, I
know in coaching, there's so many things that I took
from coaching. They're not even athletic lessons, but I took
so many things, even from the way I you know,
I raise my kids in the way that you know,
I deal with my wife. Whatever that I took from coaching,
(24:27):
I took from dealing with people. What are the lessons
that you've kind of taken just from your your management
career that you've maybe taken into your life.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
It's taught me with relationships. Sometimes relationships change, they change
and permanently change and remain relationships forever. Sometimes relationships completely
end on the second and everything you did before is
gone as well. It's pretty much a race. It doesn't
matter because of either the client or yourself or as
a group. And I've learned how to terminate things without
(24:56):
it being necessarily ending in perpetuity to a negative always
to the game. And sometimes that's you having to suck
it up or be quiet, or take the loss or
ignore something so that you can have a good story
to tell. Oftentimes, when you're dealing with the talent that's
the business. They want to take the entire scope of
(25:19):
what you've agreed to, the scope of work, the scope
of understanding, and they say, I am the talent, so
nothing else matters with me. You have to know how
to deal with that and measure it and sometimes take
a complete loss and walk away and take what's been valued,
even if it's just an education, a few dollars or
(25:39):
access to experience. Sometimes you got to lose in order
to win.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
You know, I think back to coaching, and I'm sure
you have the same thing, and you don't have to
name names. Did you have those people that were talented
that you look back and said, they just didn't, for
whatever reason, materialize that the way I thought they were
going to or the way that maybe they even could have.
Because I think of so many kids that I coach.
I'm looking at him in physics grade. They're going, hey,
(26:06):
this kid's gonna be the next No, for whatever reason.
Did you have those kind of stories? I'm sure you
have a million of them.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
You have it more than not. There's so many talented
people that don't make it, and you know someone you
could have a client that doesn't pay you, doesn't pay
the invoice, doesn't give you a commission, cuts you out, disappears,
and a lot of times you know just the balance
of the universe how God works. People call it karma,
that readjustment in their personal spiritual life. Whether it affects
their family or them, it can affect them to where
(26:34):
they end up in prison, where they're out of the game,
where they have partners that aren't iss endearing to their
life and successes. Maybe you might be. You win by default.
You want to be the default, not the fault. Default,
not the fault. Fair.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, absolutely fair by the same token. I gotta flip it.
Did you ever have people that you signed that you said,
there's no way this person's doing anything and they surprise
you in a good way?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
No, because I did? I did? Yeah, because I didn't.
I wasn't. I put one hundred percent of my work
into my talent and my clients that I represent they
represent me. So I don't want to buy my website,
I don't want to know them if I'm not in
love with the work they're doing and love with a legacy.
I've never touched it. Whether I've been extremely well off
financially or had absolutely no money, I've always played for perpetuity.
(27:22):
I wanted my work to reflect me. I wanted people
to look at my body of work. I mean, that's
what represents me. That's been my wealth, that's been my health,
that's been my story, it's been my platform and how
I communicate with the world. And that's how I got
on his show.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Okay, I've got to ask you. There's a big one.
You started an endeavor called the Book Bank Foundation that
is making a positive impact by providing homeless children and
their families with resources for combating literacy. What inspired this
foundation and why was it so personal to you?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You know, I had an amazing year. One year company
did well over what we had projected for revenue in
five years. We achieved it in less a matter of months.
And to the football season. I said, how did I
come out of the situation that I came out of?
I know it was love, spirituality, respecting God, hard work.
But I said, you know, where do I do? What
(28:19):
can I do next? But that isn't just marked by
my lifestyle, living in wonderful homes, having access to things
that I want and desire, my dreams coming true? And
I said, what can I do to make a difference.
I said, to go back and make another me, guide
another me. Find some kid that's almost there, that's not
(28:39):
even there, some kid that doesn't want to share, whose
cupboards are there.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
And that was me.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I said, let me go back and show them the
gift of giving, how to give, how to go in
and change your community. If the condition of the community
doesn't look the way you want it to be, you
can have an effect on it. If financially you don't
like where you are, you don't have enough money saved,
you don't have the right invents, you don't have good money,
habits that can be changed. So the art of change
is in doing the work. I thought about book, which
(29:07):
is where we learn right instruction, manuals, religious books. I
thought about bank. We have an emotional bank, of spiritual bank,
a financial bank. You put those two together. That is
the resolve to ignorance because you are taking away from
education and wisdom and teaching, and then you're saving it
in a place to resolve issues and challenges you have.
(29:29):
Book Bank Foundation been around for twenty nine years. We
serve the loss, the lonely, and the forgotten through three
of our many programs, our groceries to grow where we
deliver food to people who haven't figured out how to budget,
how to plan with good dietary practices, how to put
meals together, or may not have the money to know
how to shop. We give them that until we can
(29:49):
help them have the groceries they know to grow out
of this situation and have stability and continuity to be
able to take care of themselves for life. We do
something called one block of the time. We go into
the communities. What we do as we clean up the community,
we have everybody come out and pick up dirt, I
mean move dirt, lent, garbage, trash, even we work with
(30:10):
the city to move refrigerators or tires that are there.
And then we're doing something this summer this month where
we have a camp aviation camp lived by Captain John Addison,
where we take several kids from the age of twelve
to nineteen and we teach them the step science, technology, engineering,
arithmetic and math. We'll go to training in the classroom
(30:34):
and online all the way up to them actually flying
the airplane and getting certified.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
This is absolutely outstanding. I love the work that you're doing.
I love the fact that not only are you giving
some kids some tools. These are tools for life. This
is not a tool for right now and it'll get you. No, no, no,
this is something you're gonna take with you for the
rest of your life. Not just changing it changing a life.
And that is absolutely incredible and very very inspiring. You know,
(31:07):
I talk to people, and we would talk to kids
or whatever. We'd say, hey, who are you helping? What
are you doing? If you're spending too much time worrying
about your own situation a lot of times, one thing
you can always do is go help someone else and
you'll be amazed at how much it changes your life.
But what advice would you give to someone who wants
to maybe get involved in their community, doesn't quite know
(31:29):
where to start. How would it be the best way
to get started.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
The more you give, the more you live. And a
cup that runneth over forever means that you are in
sync with the universe and that you're being blessed, You're
doing something in somebody else's prayers or well wishes, or
your faith kind of monetizes not just your money, but
(31:53):
your mission and your purpose in life. You know, I
call it gifting, gift giving and faith and trust. I'm
giving to you in faith, I aspire. My spirit tells
me you're gonna do well, and you're gonna give this
gift and you're gonna be a blessing to somebody and
trust meaning I'm trusting you having a responsibility. So giving
(32:15):
a gift is the greatest honor you can give. Not
only are you the curator of resolving an issue. Not
only are you, i'd say, a symbiotic chain to God's grace,
his way of coming to give us resolve and peace
and healing. We become in that chain. And when you
practice it systemically, you can get other people to do it,
(32:37):
and they'll find that there's a better way in fixing problems,
having an understanding and living collectively by giving something up
that you shouldn't be holding onto. Maybe you have too
much of it. Some call it greed, some call it selfishness.
And when you trust to let go, you know the
dynamic of life and how you live your life, Your
legacy will mandate that someone always has something just to
(33:00):
open hand for you to give, but an open hand
for you to receive.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
When you release it, absolutely, you know when you've got
an incredible story, the background that you came up with
the way you were you were, you know, growing up
and what you came from to accomplish what you have
and to be where you're at, where now you're going
back and helping people, very very similar to your background.
(33:23):
Is an incredible I mean, you want to talk about
a circle of life. My goodness, what a circle you
have taken. What's the one thing you'd like people to
take from that incredible story?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Though, it is better to answer the call of righteousness.
But we don't know what that is, like God says,
something in our ear says, you know, God told me
I wanted to be a pastor. You know what, I
think I should come out of the NBA early. Hey,
I should marry this girl. You know, I should trust
my son in this business. I haven't gone to church
or to shule or to the mosque lately. Hearing that voice,
(33:56):
you know, the whisper, I say, the whisper is the
conscious Christ Consciousness or Musta, whatever your religion is, or Buddha.
That silence that you hear where there's no words coming
out of your mouth with somebody else's is when you
are completely of continuity with the spirit of God, when
you are in the complete wellness and fullness of your purpose,
(34:18):
to know when to be quiet and listen. Yeah, yeah,
when to be more quiet so that the words that
you leave with someone in silence will resonate and come back.
We have to be humble, we have to be intuitive,
and we have to know when to turn it off
as well as when to turn it off.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Noolutely right. You couldn't have said it better. That's a
really good good way to kind of wrap this up,
Doctor w How can listeners keep up with you? How
can they keep up with what you're doing? What is
the best place to kind of find where you're at,
maybe even to support some of your causes and what
you have going. What is the best place for listeners
to come find you?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Oh, please come to my website. It's doctor Glen Toby,
d R gl eat double in and n Toby dot com.
Through there you can see my ted talk that I'm
more recently did did which will help with healing and
purpose and self discovery. I welcome everybody to go check
out my TED talk. It's on the website. It tells
you a little bit about what I'm doing, and we're
(35:16):
going to be blogging on there and giving tools. The
YouTube it's doctor Glent Toby as well, a lot of
speeches and tools that you can use for critical thinking
and to apply to your mission in life. And then
I have a book called The Four Boxes that's dropping
into ebook I'm giving away free at the end of
this month, and it is a way to discuss about healing,
how to find your resources, all for free and tune
(35:39):
in on Saturday nights to hear me playing live DJing
a global bands already on Fresh and Stem eight pm
Eastern Time, every single Saturday night live.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
I love it. I am going to have to check
that out. I absolutely love that. Hey, doctor Shelby, I
want to thank you for your time. I want to
thank you for your incredible story. And you know, again,
anytime you're getting involved with you and I spoke a
little bit before I started recording, you're getting involved helping kids,
helping kids that desperately need it. And you know, we
say that all the time. I don't know if there's
(36:11):
too many kids that don't that don't need some kind
of help in some way, because you're not just giving
them a day's lesson, You're giving them a life lesson
that they're going to carry forward with them. That is
just phenomenal work. I would like to just say thank
you so much. We appreciate you being here at the
Daily Dose. Would love to love to have you back anytime.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Well, I'm honored to come here. And before I close,
because you have so many young listeners to all of
you youth who are in uh sports, middle school, high school,
even those of you in the college. Portal is a
company that I'm a partner with with some amazing gentlemen.
It's called the Winner's Circle. We do name image and likeningess.
(36:51):
What we do in the likenesses we advise you how
to go into the portal, out of the portal, how
to be recruited, helping them set up, you know, their
website and have an accountability not just as a professional
in terms of academic achievement and as well as being
you know, athletic proudness. But it's Brady Jackson and rakeem Vick.
(37:14):
We have a team of experts at the Winner Circle.
Google us find this. We're here to help you find
their space, not just the money, but the purpose.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Thank you well, and that's that's really really good information
because I feel like we have you know, we're kind
of in this wild West right now of the nil stuff,
and we've got some people that would be all too
happy to take you down a bad path as long
as they're going to get money from you. Get involved
with someone who's going to take care of you. He's
got a track record. You're gonna want to go look
(37:43):
this up. If you are getting involved in that nil stuff.
Trust me, you're gonna want someone to shepherd you that
is going to take care of you. That is key here.
There are way too many parents and way too many
young people that are getting taken advantage of. We're never
going to hear from m again. I hate to say that,
but it's absolutely true. Go find someone who's going to
take care of you. Doctor Glenn Toby. I want to
thank you so much. I really do appreciate your time today.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I'm glad to be a part of the history you've
been out. You've been one of the most trusted sources
for eleven years. I'm part so proud to be a
part of your brother. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Hey next week on dose. I know that we are
in those dog days of summer and there's just not
that much going on right now. Never fear, because we're
not just going to sit around here at the Dose
breaking down baseball lineups. That is just way too boring
for me. I can't hang. I'm telling you right now,
over the next few weeks, we are going to begin
taking a look forward to both the NFL and college
(38:37):
football seasons. We're going to take a look at some
key players, some key games, and some of the biggest
stories coming in both the NFL and college football, so
that when that season begins, you are primed and ready
for it. Because I know we're just at mid July.
I can't wait for it already. So make sure you
check out the Dose and make sure you let a
friend know the same. Hey, I want to say thank
(38:58):
you so much to doctor Glenn. I hope you for
stopping by and discussing your career and some of the
programs that you have going on right now. I really
enjoyed our visit, and I want to say thank you
to each and every one of you for listening to
the Daily Gusts every week. Thank you for the emails,
thanks for the text thank you for the tweets, but
more than anything, thank you for sharing the show, for
sharing the videos, for sharing the articles with someone that
you know we absolutely love it when you do that.
(39:20):
Perhaps they, thinking to JESP, could not do any of
this about you. I will see you all next Wednesday.
Have a great week everybody,
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