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Welcome back in all week long stand. We heard the
Chiefs saying, well, yeah, now it's for real. Now we're
going to pay attention. Now, we're going to clean things up.
Now we're all ready to roll and be the team
that we're supposed to be. I don't know where that
was against Denver and maybe a game that was even
more important than this one, I don't know, but anyway,
then they come out and they did none of that,
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and Indianapolis completely controlled the game, and the Chiefs were
making mistakes and penalties and interceptions and everything like that.
And as we entered the fourth quarter, the Chiefs are
down twenty to nine, and then the script all changed.
Colts couldn't even get a first down play calling, to
me was a little suspect, although Shane Steikin has done
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an outstanding job and Daniel Jones started to be the
guy who sees ghosts, and the Chiefs turned it completely
around and ended up making it statistically look like a
lopsided game, which it was not. Vital game for the Chiefs.
Amazing game for them, and we'll see how it all
shakes out in the end.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Well it may shake out really well, as they got
a boost in a remembrance of what Chiefs football is
all about. And that's what you saw the last half
of the fourth quarter. And overtime is all the great
things that you would talk about. The Kansas City Chiefs occurred.
Steve Spagnola putting on a show the Chiefs defense, playing
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great guys like Brian Cook just everywhere doing things like
the best of the Chiefs defenses in playoff football, just
making plays here and there. I mean, the Colts were
searching for something that would work, and they got a
screen pass against a blitz. He say, oh boy, Jonathan
Taylor finally has some green grass and some white jerseys
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out in front to help block, and all of a
sudden he's tackled for a short game. Just amazing job
right there, Yes, making it play, and that's what the
Chiefs needed. I thought before that happened, before this great
run of defense occurred. Right after the fumble, I saw
on TV they showed Chris Jones down on the field
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riling up the crowd. I was saying at that time,
my son happened to be there. Landry's in Denver, but
he's back here for Thanksgiving. And I said, man, that
is so important, Like Chris Jones is getting the crowd
fired up right now, and I don't know, maybe I'm
making too big a deal. About it. But I thought
that was giant that he was that engaged, he had
that kind of belief. He called on the Arrowhead crowd
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say don't give up after the fumble. It's not over.
We're the Chiefs, but you gotta help us. Let's do something.
And from that point fourd Arrowhead was as great as
it ever is. The Chiefs defense just unbelievably locked down.
You know, you go into this game with a comment,
a thought process that might be, you know, the Colts
may not be that good. Okay, a couple of weeks ago,
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even when the Colts record was decent, you're probably sitting
there going, the Chiefs are going to beat the Colts.
I mean not because the Chiefs are so dominant. It's
there's a lack of belief in Jones's quarterback, you know,
a new coach into the big time. Here. The Colts
haven't beaten even the teams in their division they got
to beat. They got four games against division foes to
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fight for that division championship. Even so, you can blow
holes in the Colts and say they're probably just not
good enough, but any I want to say, that's not
the conclusion that I have at the end of this game,
and it's very important to point out it's not about
the Colts not being good enough. It's a chief went
out and won the game because the Colts played a
really good game for three quarters plus, had an eleven
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point lead, and the Chiefs had to go out play
them beat them. You know, this isn't the Patriots in
Tom Brady, I get that, but the Colts aren't a
bad team, and they had a good game plan. They
never turned it over, and yet the Chiefs went out
and won the game. So I think it's very significant
to say the Chiefs won. They looked like their old self.
Rashi Rice was a giant factor late, but that's the
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spark they needed. Patrick Mahomes, Rashi Rice making plays, Kareem
Hunt sure running the ball, but the defense being locked down.
This is the type of Chiefs team that we've seen
at their best. Don't know if they're going to be
able to replicate it the rest of the year, but
it sure is a good sign. But they had that
magic at the end of the game. They had that dominance,
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and they had guys show up, show up and play
to the Chiefs level. And that's a level that other
teams in the NFL can't get to Danny. Chiefs play
like they did the last five to ten minutes of
the game, including overtime. They're the best team in football.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Very interesting in the first three quarters. That obviously, Steve Spagnolo,
as he has often done, said Jonathan Taylor or any
lead back is not going to beat us. But to
the Colts. Credit for the Chiefs doing that. Everything else
was working for the Colts, their little rollouts, they play action.
He was having all the Daniel Jones had, all the
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time in the world. I thought that they could have
taken it a little less to the extreme in the
fourth quarter when they basically refused to give the ball
to Jonathan Taylor. But for three quarters, I thought Shane
Steikin had dialed up a very excellent response to what
Steve Spagnola was doing in shutting down Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
Yeah. I think that's exactly right. And that goes back
to my theme when I started saying, don't cut the
Colts down and say there are a bunch of losers.
The the Chiefs went and won the game. My big theme,
Danny was after the Chiefs lost to Denver, Okay, after
they lost to Denver, I thought that was a boost
of confidence to the Colts. I don't know if you
follow me on this logic. This is before the game,
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but I thought the Colts and Denver are a little
bit alike other than everyone's going to say, oh, Denver's
defense great, but they're both over at chief giving teams.
They can't reach the level of the Chiefs, and Patrick
Mahomes their quarterbacks not nearly as good. But to say,
look what Denver just did. They won that game, and
they found a way to beat the Chiefs defense and
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even get Steve Spagnola to cut down on his blitzing.
He blitzed less than he does in almost any game
because the secondary was not holding up. Just easy bootleg
passes completed out in the flat. Get that five to
seven yards, maybe get a twelve yard game, but get
a first down game. And it was like candy from children.
I mean, it was very easy for Denver to get
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the ball to the flat and then in a good
second down situation and keeps Steve Spagnola off balance. He
didn't want a blitz on first down. And even when
he did blitz late in the game, the chief they
couldn't get there with the blitz as easily as they
normally do, and their secondary can't hold up as well.
So I thought that that was a weakness of the
Chiefs and it really adjusted what Steve Spagnola was going
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to do. So I thought the Colts came in and
executed exactly like I thought they would. I said, it's
gonna be an all day sucker, that they are gonna
be hard to beat, and they're gonna play off that
Denver stuff. And sure enough, bootlegs seven or eight yards
was very easy for them. Jonathan Taylor did not go crazy.
Great job by Steve Spagnola and the defense, and then
as it got more and more pressure situations, they really
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ramped it up and really shut him down. And I
didn't they took the spark out of his eye. I mean,
if you're the head coach and you're going, hey, he's
our guy, we got to give him the football because
everyone's gonna criticize. Now, he didn't get football enough in
the fourth quarter when you look at the stats, but
he didn't have that spark in his eye like I'm
gonna tear you apart. That's great work by the Chiefs.
The other thing will point out, hey, Danny. We got
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a five plus year theme on this podcast, only what
do coaches do in the NFL in games when they
kind of decide what they're gonna run, run, or pass?
They all lean on the pass. Yeah, they forget the
running game, and we joke about that, but they're a
little bit of that here. Why didn't you hand it
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off to Jonathan and trust that offensive line and Jonathan
Taylor and say he's the best player in the NFL.
A lot of people think, definitely non quarterback could be
the MVP this year. Let's give him the ball and
make sure the Chiefs had to deal a full dose
of him. Didn't happen, right, And we've seen play callers
get away from it over and over and over again.
So a little bit of everything, but most of this
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is Chiefs induced excellence, not Colts poor play.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Let's talk a little bit about what the Colts did
defensively until the end. Patrick Mahomes, you know you couldn't
mean you're not watching in all twenty two, But apparently
everybody was covered because all he did was throw checkdowns
for three quarters over and over again. Tony Romo continued
to insist that he was a little skittish in the pocket.
I tended to agree with him. The Colts did what
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the Broncos did and what teams have done successfully against
the Chiefs when they've had success against Patrick Mahomes, which
is to rush their aligneman, you know, with with good authority,
but also just not going hell bent for leather for
a sack in there. They had a spy on him,
they often didn't. They almost never blitzed. Sometimes they'd show five,
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but they never brought five. What were they doing back
there that was had Mahomes looking like Daniel Jones.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Well, there's a lot of things that you brought up
that I'd like to point out. One is, I thought
Tony Romo's explanation industry has like fifty of them, So
how are people going to know which I'm talking about?
It's really really weird for me to say this, But
he talked about how his brain is sped up, that
he knows too much about what's going on, that he's
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gone from one thing to the next to the next,
and not relax in the pocket, that he's moving in
the pocket too quickly. Those are things Romo said. That
is what I have believed about Patrick here in the
last few weeks. You know, Kevin Keisman. You do some
work with Kevin Keason. Obviously you have for twenty five
plus years. He asked me, like, what what's wrong with Mahomes?
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And I go, first of all, he's been excellent. Yeah,
team on his back and running the football and all
those kind of things. But lately I kind of was
trying to explain what Tony Romo said. It's like he
knows too much. You know. I said, you needed a
little bit of Brett Farber, who didn't care what the
coach said or didn't understand everything that was going on
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and just went out and played, you know, with instincts.
But Patrick is leaving the pocket when it's set and
moving up and creating havoc to be off balance. He's
not sticking with his reads. He's but and Romo basically said,
they're packing it in on the inside, which I would agree.
And they are saying, we dare you to throw outside
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one on one and see if you can beat us
out there, and he didn't seem to want to do that. Yeah,
let's go back to the pass rush. I thought the
Buffalo Bills, who I A don't think is a great team.
B always plays great against the Chiefs and match up
well with the Chiefs, like they're a different monster when
they're playing the Chiefs. I'm not that impressed with their coaching,
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but they've done a great job and they showed everybody
about four weeks ago, how you rush Patrick Mahomes. It
was poetry from a defensive perspective, about finding the pressure
points to make him move and think you're there, but really,
like you said, come slowly and keep your integrity on
the rush so he can't run easily. Make him throw
the ball over you the defense, and probably over his
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linemen as well. He won't feel as comfortable. He'll find
himself off balance. I thought they did that as well
as anybody. I think that the Colts copied that because
Denver does somewhat the same thing. You know, Denver's known
for sacking right. It's not as if Derek Thomas is
playing for Denver and they blow around the corner and
blow everything up. It's more of a coordination, a belief
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that if we come with physicality and all four guys
keep their integrity of their position, one of us we'll
get there or the quarterback of freak out. Does that
make sense Danny. That's how I look at Denver's defense.
The main thing is we're talking about the same theme.
We're talking about a theme here is rush for play coverage.
But the four of you got to rush in a
crazy unique coordination with each other like an offensive line works.
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Don't really try to get to Patrick, just try to
be there to give him some views of your body
so he'll have to turn and look. And even when
he got sacked, it's more like he just finally gave
up and said, Okay, I don't want to fumble. I
see there's a lot of you around me. You know.
It was really well done. It's really a formula to
try to play Patrick. And I thought Tony Romo explained
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it really well. That Patrick is he seems like he
wants to be sped up an off balance a little
bit when he's doing almost every throw right. It's just
now the one great throw that he threw an over
route to Gi Rice. You go back and watch the video,
not the fourth down one, but an earlier one. His
right foot in and fired that ball. And I pointed
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it out to my son who's watching. I go, oh,
he was not on the move that time. He stuck
his foot in the ground and fired. He had moved already,
but that ball had velocity, accuracy and all those things. Hey,
I'm not here to cut down Patrick mahons. I really
don't want to be in that mode, but that's the formula.
And I think Tony Romo explained what I tried to
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explain is he knows too much. He knows what every
defender's doing. He calls it out on TV, but fifty
four is going to blitz Kareem walk forty two they're coming.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
You know.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
He'll talk out loud about what he's seeing and he's right.
It's just amazing. So sometimes I think he's thinking too
much about what's going on and trying to use all
five receivers rather than just saying, you know what, I
have a favorite receiver and I'm going to throw it
to him. I don't think Patrick thinks that way. He
thinks like a coach, and it's almost a detriment. He's
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fighting a knowledgeable coach brain with an instinct to want
to have crazy. Does that make sense? He yes, he
wants it to be crazy in the pocket and say, oh,
he didn't trust this linean I'm not going to go there.
I don't think he's that he doesn't trust his lineman.
It's just sitting in the pocket like Dan Marino did,
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and having an extra second does not make him feel good.
He immediately starts moving toward the line for no reason
or leaving the pocket. Did you see that yesterday? Many
times his pocket was set. Just sit there and rip
their heart out. But he's like, you know, I think
he's thinking, I don't like what's downfield. I don't think
anybody's open up quickly. Maybe I should run. I mean,
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he has got I think he's got so many thoughts
in his head that it makes him great, and it
makes it complicated to execute down after down. I thought
Tony Romo was touching on the same exact subject that
I'm trying to touch on that. I don't know if
this is making sense, but he's not perfectly accurate and
cutting people's hearts out in the passing game, and that
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is the way you beat the Chiefs. I mean, it's
not like they're not great, it's just it's causing him
a little bit of a thorn in his side to
be the best quarterback he can be throwing the football.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Well, I think you know a lot of Chiefs fans
probably watched the Cowboys Eagles game afterwards. In that contrast,
those two quarterbacks both have a very similar way of
getting into the pocket and they look to bounce up
and down on their feet and they love it back there.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
They both do deep drops, both Prescott and Jalen Hurts,
and it looks very similar to me, and it looks
completely opposite to what Patrick Mahomes is comfortable.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
With, no doubt Patrick. Patrick has had to run the
football for the Chiefs successful, and he did yesterday more
than a season, Danny, You and I have been calling
it out before others, and then Patrick kind of gave
us a little hint when he said playoff Pat. You know,
he kind of said, in the playoffs, I really run.
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But he ran more than he probably remembers in regular
season to get the Chiefs to that second and that
third super Bowl in a row. In my opinion, I
think you are right along. We talked about it on
this podcast more than any place else. So the listeners
here that are loyal, they get what we're saying right here,
and I think this year he has definitely just taken
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He's running the ball even when he doesn't have to.
It's like, I trust myself and he did it yesterday.
It's third and six. He wasn't looking to pass. He
was like dancing around the lineman, going, I gotta find
an excuse to go run because I trust myself more
than I trust everyone else executing along with me. And
with that, let me tell you Nanny. As a running quarterback,
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a running quarterback has a super hard challenge to how
long do they stay with the pass before they go
to the run. And it's a trigger point that should
be answered differently. Ten different situations should have ten different answers.
But that's not the way the human works. Okay, we're
not that good. So it is really hard when you're
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a running quarterback to not go and instead, you know,
it's just to stick with the pocket. And I think
Patrick has turned himself into a running quarterback. You look
at Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson is known as a running quarterback,
right right. He doesn't think about running at all.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, he wants to pass.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
He just wants to pass. And he's what is he
not an effective runner anymore? Right? I mean he's okay,
but he really is not. He does not want to run,
but that's made him a better passer. Okay, so's he's
made a trade off, like I'm not gonna dual threat
quarterbacks are really hard to execute a part. We can
talk about him and Patrick's been great at this, but
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I think this year Jat, You're right, he didn't want
to sit deep in the pocket. He wants to start
getting toward the line of scrimmage, getting out of pocket
and become a running threat as much as a throwing threat.
And therefore everything's a little crazy with what do the
receivers need to do? Do they need to break off
their pattern? Lin's he gonna throw? Is gonna be off
balance throws? You know, Like you said, Dak Prescott's playing
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great right now, and Dak pretty much just sits deep
in the pocket. He might move a little bit, but
he just takes the crushing hits like he's got to
throw the ball five yards further. That matters, okay, five
yards further in the air because he's backaways right when
he lets it rip, he just gets hit bam. But
he is totally looking to pass, letting the routes unfold.
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And right now, Patrick's not doing that, and he's a
little bit iffy about what do I do? Should I run?
Should I throw? Should I run? And it changes as
he's moving in the pocket, and he doesn't have Travis
Kelsey as much as a wild card as he did before.
He used to be Travis would be thinking along with
him and be so quick at athletic that every time
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he needed to throw it, he could just throw it
to throw it to Travis and it would be a
three yard game, or a twelve yard game, or a
thirty yard game. And right now I don't think he
has that connection with any of those other receivers.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Let's talk a little bit about Thursday's game. I thought
it would have been much better for the Chiefs if
the Cowboys had lost the game. They might lose a
little interest. Now they're right in the thick of things
at five hundred. They have a rousing comeback. Thanksgiving is
a big highlight for them. They get to play it
every year, they're used to it. I think this is
going to be a tough duty for the Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
No, I agree completely. I was asked before the weekend started,
will the Chiefs have a challenge against Dallas on Thanksgiving Day?
Because there a way better team, and you know, there's
a million reasons why the chief should just mop the
Cowboys up, but I said no, it's going to be
a tough game. First of all, the theory we talk
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about all the time. When the Chiefs walk in the stadium,
everyone's attention is stronger. Every player, every coach is like,
uh oh, it's the mighty Chiefs. And you take pride
in saying I want to compete again these guys. So
a it's going to bring out the best of almost
any team that the Chiefs play because it's Thanksgiving and
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truly the national stage. Because how many times do you say, oh,
this is a national game. Remember when that was a
big deal. But everyone has YouTube TV and has all
the games on, and all the bars have it on,
and you know everybody's watching everything red zone. You don't
have national games very much. This is the exception. Right
Thanksgiving afternoon. The Dallas Cowboy players know everybody's kicking back
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watching them play football. So there's a certain pride about
and a certain expectation from Jerry Jones, their owner, this
is time to play boys. So you got the Chiefs,
you got that day. And then the Cowboys have some
hope that they have a naive hope that they think
they might do something and can play some good ball.
Put those things together, then I think they're going to
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compete like crazy, kind of like I don't think Buffalo
is very good. But you know, when the Chiefs walk
out in the field, they play like so I think
the Dallas Cowboys will do that. They are somewhat dangerous
because they have such a big time passing game and
Shottenheimer will invest in the run, Danny, he will stick
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and give you a little bit of run at Marty
Schottenheimer's son has a little respect for the running game.
So they have balance in their offense. Now they're deepense
stinks and quarterly coordinated. There's hardly any good players out there.
But do you trust the Chiefs just scoring thirty five
points and snapping a finger? Danny? You know what about
red zones? Just you know, kick a few field goals
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instead of touchdowns. That's nine points prepared to twenty one.
You know, it's completely different. And the Cowboys are too
dumb to give up. Okay, you know they're getting killed
by the Eagles, and they're killing themselves, right, it's not
only the Eagles beating them, They beat themselves better than
anybody alive. So they're down twenty one to nothing and
they don't blank a hin and just come back and win,
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you know, so they'll they're gonna fight. It's gonna be
a tough game. It's the NFL, it's the feature game.
Probably the Chiefs are just too good for Dallas. But
you know, if the Cowboys can attack the secondary of
the Chiefs and score some points, they may get lucky
that like Indianapolis, the ball bounces off someone's hand for
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an interception. Cowboys formula to win is just somehow auple
of field goals instead of giving up touchdowns, and they
might come from penalties, you know, a holding call or
something dumb like that. But yeah, I think these games
games because I think everyone's saying the Colts game was everything,
the Denver game was everything, and oh yeah, you'll beat Dallas.
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And you know what, the Cowboys are used to the
four day turnaround. This is a part of their DNA
and the Chiefs. It's hard to be the road team
to go on the road to play Detroit or Dallas
on that day because the Cowboys in the Detroit Lions
are used to it and you're kind of just doing
it once in a while. So I give the Cowboys,
you know, an outside chance to cause a little havoc.
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But they'll have to clean up their game, because if
you watch a Cowboys game, you know they do They
did so many stupid things. It's really embarrassing. Lost. Let's
talk about it, Danny. Let me talking. And you're in
a tie game. You're playing the Eagles. They haven't scored
since midway through the second quarter. There's about three months
left in the game. You're tied. You snapped the ball
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three times from like the two yard liner closer and
you failed. So now it's fourth and three.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Right, game, What are you doing?
Speaker 6 (27:35):
What do you do here? You go for it, easiest thing, Yeah,
you kick the field goal and take the lead. Nope,
not the Cowboys, No, no, no. Even Marty Schottenheimer's kid,
who by the way, I saw a great interview with him,
and he said, I got Marty in my ear all
the time, Take the points, take the points. Well, Marty
must have been asleep in his time because he went
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for it and almost gave the Eagles the game back
instead of kicking the field goal, and he got the win.
So I mean they threw an interception at the goal
line earlier in the game after a stupid tentalley by
their left guard. I mean I watched these games, yes,
I know pain all right?
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an incredible game. I thought my advice for Kansas State
heading into the game when I was on on Friday
on Sports Radio ten was don't get embarrassed, don't get hurt,
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so you make sure you can win your game against Colorado.
They did way better than that. Of course, they couldn't
stop Utah, and in the end that was the killer,
as they had a big lead ten point lead late
in the game and lost it and lost the game,
and they now have to beat Colorado, which they obviously
should to be bull eligible. But let's just start off
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with Chris Kleiman after the game. I don't know if
I've ever seen a coach react like that, and you know,
people are trying to analyze it and everything. Yes, it
was a heartbreaking loss, but you usually don't see that.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
Yeah. No, it was a different postgame than we've almost
ever seen, right, very emotional, unprovoked, without question, went into
his discussion that showed the emotion and such that while
he was there the eight, he actually went up and
(32:55):
spoke to him, you know, pat him on the back
and was speaking in his ear while he was doing
is the media session after the game, Now, you could
have an irate coach and an emotional coach because the
officiating calls went against K State so much so that
you know, the conspiracy theories out there about hey, protect
the money team that could get into college football playoff?
(33:16):
Are you kidding me? Those kind of things. So, yeah,
coach could be irate and emotional and bummed and all
those things about saying, I can't believe this team had
to suffer another close loss after they played so well,
I get that, but it seemed more like it was
him laying out what his emotions were and how things
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are going in what is just a crazy season.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Right.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
All of it's the Ireland curse, Danny. You know, every
team just went to Ireland has come out and gone,
what happened to our season? So you know he now
he dis experienced his fifth loss of seven points or less,
most in K State history. So and the five losses
that they've had, the cumulative number of points, it's like
fifteen or something, eighteen whatever it is. I haven't added
(34:00):
it up, but it's less than twenty to have those wins.
So it's very interesting, you know, I don't know. I
know he's so proud of his team fighting. I know
he heard everyone say. I know he's listening to Danny
and he told him just don't get get injured, you know,
don't get embarrassed, don't get injured. So you know, maybe
he's upset about that. But yeah, the emotions running through
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just you just wonder, Hey, what exactly are you going
through right now. I know it's very, very tough and
all of that, but from his team's perspective, you look
at it, just stepping back from his emotions for a second, Danny,
they've exploded on offense twice this year. Twice this year,
they've exploded on offense over five hundred yards two games
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in a year. Does not even happen that often with
case State Danny. He just doesn't. So he's at two
games where they blow him through the five hundred yard mark,
and they law each of those games, at Baylor and
at Utah. And they had a fourteen point lead in
the fourth quarter in the ball against Utah. In a
kind of a twelve point lead for a couple seconds there,
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Danny before a two point conversion turned the wrong way
and was returned for two points. But they had a
twelve where if you want to call a ten point
lead against Utah and did not hold on. So you know,
it's kind of crazy. You can't make these things up. Now,
to give Utah credit, that's the fourth most points they
scored this year, with fifty one. About that. They're like
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a college basketball team that scores one hundred and ten
points every game or something. So they scored fifty one
to beat k State's forty seven. The forty seven points
are the most Case States ever scored in a game
and lost in the history of their program, and only
the fifth time they scored forty points and more and
lost ever. So it's crazy. And then you see Joe
Jackson run for more yards than Anye Wakatt has a history,
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pasting Darrence Prols with two hundred and ninety three yards,
an eighty yard touchdown, a sixty six yard touchdown, and
they ran for more yards than case State ever has
in that ball game ever, passing nineteen fifty four Drake,
I mean, so many positives, so many differences like Case
State running the ball like this. We haven't seen that
all year. So there's one hundred data points out there, Danny,
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and I don't know how the analytics people are going
to put them together. From Chris Climbin's emotion after the
game to Case State having a five and six record,
case Sate being a good running team. I don't know, Danny.
It is crazy how you want to take this in.
There is a chance for everybody from A to Z
to have an opinion and you go, yeah, good point,
good point. You know, they can pick their data point
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and talk about it and you just have to say, respectfully, yep,
that's well taken. Because the whole theme and putting it
all together is almost impossible to say, hey, I got
this conclusion.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Well, it should be easy work against Colorado. They're kind
of a mess, but emotionally, Case State has to bounce
back and get that done so they can play more football.
Missouri will be but their season has taken a turn
for the not so great. When they weren't expected to
go win against Oklahoma, I was kind of surprised at
how low the point total for Oklahoma was in this
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not scoring, but the line of the game. I thought
Oklahoma was going to win for sure, and they looked
the part in doing enough on offense, and Missouri just
couldn't get anything going, even though Bo Prebula came back.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Yes, I mean going to Oklahoma and losing obviously can't
be a catastrophe because they haven't won in Norman since
nineteen sixty six and they lost nineteen straight there. And
this Oklahoma team is hitting on some good cylinders. Okay,
winning at Tennessee, winning at Alabama. I thought this was
just a bad time for Missouri to play them. I
told you that. Yeah, he is unfortunate. Hurts the Missouri fandom.
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More is that they whipped Oklahoma for the first quarter
and a half. It was amazing to see low scoring
or not, Missouri was the better team and it was.
They were all over Oklahoma and Okahma's defense wasn't dictating,
party was breaking tackles for Beulah, was completing some passes.
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I know field goal kicking is always tough for Missouri,
but they had to lead and then all of a sudden,
one RPO goes eighty yards and it is game over.
Not really, because Missouri had the ball down at the
goal line another time. It just things didn't click when
they needed to. And you and I can summarize it
real quick and go, we thought Oklahoma would win. Oklahoma's
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playing goodball, their defense is really tough, and they did it.
Bye bye, talk to you later. But if you watch
the game, you're going, Danny, Missouri could have won. So
how do you feel about this season? Really a great
question for every Missouri Tiger fan to go glass half full,
glass half empty. The four losses they've had are against
teams that are either right now ranked in the College
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Football Playoff or Vanderbilt, who's one inch outside of it. Right, Okay,
how can you be upset about a team that it's
losses are in that situation? You played good football, and
you beat the teams you're supposed to beat, You beat Ku,
you know you've done great work. So it's really a
view playing here. Because he had even had quarterback issues
(39:14):
and injuries from the first game to Fromula being injured,
it's hard to say, oh, I love this season for
a Missouri fan because they watched the losses to Vanderbilt, Alabama,
and Oklahoma, and we could have won those games. We
could have won one of them. We could have won
two of them. Coaches got to go for four down,
you know, all those kind of statements. So it's very interesting.
(39:35):
So in a sense, I just want to say, that's
good football, Missouri. You played good football. You really need
to prove it this week because Arkansas is dangerous. They're dangerous.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, they scored a bunch, They scored a bunch of points.
Missouri's gonna probably have to score a bit.
Speaker 6 (39:49):
They got athletes. And I've told you this many times, Danny.
When you have the season ending and it's all over
and the coach has quit yelling at you and telling
you what you can't do and actually come at you
with positiveness and say, let's have fun. Truly, let's have fun.
Let's call some fun plays and go, you become very dangerous.
I'll give you an example. Penn State. You do not
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want to play Penn State right now, David. Their season
was totally blown up and it stinks except for around
the building. They got great athletes. They got great athletes,
and the coaches are like, let's go, hey, let's see
what happens in Nebraska runs into that buzz saw. I
feel sorry for Nebraska, like Penn State's playing with a
free mind. Well, Arkansas is not Penn State, Okay, not
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quite at that level. But Arkansas has athletes danny and
they played a ton of close games, and Bobby Petrino's
a brilliant mind. I know Arkansas always plays poorly in
asleep against Missouri congratulation Tigers, and I guess I have
to lean that way going into the game. Why wouldn't
we Missouri's better and Missouri just sucks the wind out
of Arkansas every year, even when the game's in Fayetteville.
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But as a Missouri fan, I'm still looking like there's
a little concern in the back of my mind that
the football team kind of wants to hear about the
glass half full people. You know, darn we lost to
Oklahoma and look at this, it's not what we expected.
We will beat Arkansas, that's fine, what bow We're going
to go to whatever, Just coach drink. What's gonna leave
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you know? Those distractions, right, I want to see concentration.
I'm a little nervous about Missouri's concentration, okay against Arkansas,
because if they mess around, Arkansas could beat them.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yep, Yeah, that was my that's my thought going in too. Well,
that's not the same for KU I think that Utah
I think probably was taking Case State a little bit
for granted, and they probably got the wake up call
they needed so that when they go into Lawrence, even
on a sleepy Friday morning, they will be paying attention.
They have a lot to play for. They will have
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no idea what they need to do except when, because
the other teams will be playing on Saturday for the
most part. So is a bad recipe for a Kansas
team that just didn't have it against Iowa State in
any way, shape or form.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
Yeah, it didn't roll out well for KU who and
it's not a good matchup for the because Utah It's
physicality and running game style goes on the road, it
travels well, and it's an explosive offense. Like I said,
it's no big deal for them to score forty or
fifty even when they're running. One advantage they have, Danny
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is that they're always snapping the ball to a guy
who lines up behind the quarterback. It could be called
wildcat or whatever, but you know that if you run
that guy, there's an extra blocker instead of the quarterback
handing off and watching a nine other guys block and
handing it off to the tenth guy. If you run
the ball, the tenth guy gets the block. It's just
a physical advantage in the quarterback run game, right. Utah
(42:51):
does it with wide receivers, running backs, two quarterbacks, with
Bicklin the freshman more explosive and fresh than the starter.
So Utah is almost impossible to stop with their running
game and from scoring. Well, how do you want to
attack Kansas? You want to run the ball, ye, yes,
and be physical with them. So the good things for
Kansas are this. Let's just talk about the positives because
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it's very easy to get on the negative side. Kansas
is looking at a Utah defense that gave up four
hundred and eighty seven yards passing to Baylor and four
hundred and seventy some rushing yards to King State. So
everyone's thought that, oh, this is Texas Tech junior and
this defense is impossible to penetrate. Kansas could possibly find
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some offense running or throwing. Okay, you're going to have
to score. You're gonna have to score a ton. But
it's a little more available that people want to tell
you with the stats, dandy. So let's remember that that
Utah has been exposed a little bit. They're also playing
their body clock ten o'clock in the morning on a
Friday in a sleepy place where everyone said, yeah, you're
gonna win. Maybe they'll take some respect from hearing about
(43:57):
another Kansas school case state coming in and punching him
in the nose. I generally think Utah is going to
take care of business right. And I generally thought this
for week Janny, because I was on sports Radio eight ten.
I was driving to Manhattan real early in the morning
talking on a Friday with Steven Saint John, and we
were talking about the rest of the season. When Kay,
you had three games left and at just taking that
(44:19):
big blow of losing the k State in the fashion
they did after being a favorite, you know, one't fun times,
but they only needed to win one game to get
to a bowl game. And Steven happened to ask me
at the right time, Danny, well do you think kay
you is gonna be boiligible? And I said no, oh oh,
that was pretty fast. I should have I should have
(44:40):
explained it. You know, I felt bad, like no, and
then I you know, here I am. This is what
I thought would happen. I believed in Arizona. Not to
be mean to Kayu. I believe in Arizona at home.
That's why I thought that they would lose that game.
I believe in Iowa State in November on the grass.
So I thought that I'd lose that game. And I
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really think Utah is a bad matchup. So I may
be wrong still. But weeks ago, Danny, I said, no,
I don't think Kansas is going to be Bowl eligible
and this is not a good matchup to try to
get it done.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
No, indeed, we'll see. Maybe they'll surprise us the day
after Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving to you, Stan, Happy Thanksgiving to
the audience. I'll be able to do that a couple
of times, and we'll talk to you again next week
and we'll be recapping a Chiefs game that will be
several days old and checking out the conclusion for the
regular season for the college teams. Thanks as ever, Stan, Yeah,
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thank you, Danny.
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Thanks, Happy Thanksgiving to everybody. When we decide to eat
too much and too often, we also watch football too
much and too often, starting on Thursday, So let's go
eat in football. Talk to you after it's all over, Danny.
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