December 15, 2025 • 43 mins
A dreadful Sunday for the Chiefs as they lose, Mahomes gets hurt, and the playoffs are gone, plus other NFL, Heisman fallout, KSU coaches, bowl solutions, and more. Let's dive in!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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the Kansas City Chiefs needed fine tuning all season long,
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could have used one yesterday and maybe they can use
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one in the future. As the Chiefs are out with
three games remaining, that's probably the more amazing thing than
them just missing the playoffs. Finish is one of the
worst teams in the AFC and three games remaining. No
Patrick Mahomes. He has a torn acl. You never really
know what the severity is, different kinds of injuries, different times.
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He could be already for the start of next season.
He could be ready on November first, You never really know.
Yesterday's game was really sort of just a real mirror
image of what's gone on all season long. We'll talk
a lot about that, and I have some particular thoughts
about game management that probably are going to get lost
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Welcome back. We're going to have three meaningless football games
to conclude the season, as the Chiefs don't really they're
sort of in the middle of the pack. As far
as the draft is concerned. I'm sure there's a lot
of people who have just figured they should go lose
them all. But it's been a decade. No, it's been
way longer than that. Has been a decade since the
Chiefs have not made the playoffs. But it's been a
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lot longer than that that they've had completely meaningless football
games twenty twelve, and now they do after yesterday sixteen
thirteen loss to the Chargers. Chargers team that took over
late in the first half, when it looked like the
Chiefs had this game by the throat at thirteen to three,
I kind of felt like the game was over. It
was not. Once the Chargers grabbed it. They took hold
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and they looked like the better football team, the more
physical football team, the livelier football team from that point forward.
And then in the end we get the crushing finish
of Patrick Mahomes in the last drive, getting hurt. He
had been under dress all day. He went in with
a sore knee. A lot of things to unpacks, Dan.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Yeah, there's such a wide range of things. You'd hit on,
so many things. I guess I'll start with kind of
a crazy in game of view, I have said one
of the things that have hurt the Chiefs is ce
Spagnola's defense. The way he's dominated is such a key
part of the Chief's great run to the Super Bowl
level play, and obviously.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
As championship with Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
It's also the defense, and he has been dominating teams
and keeping them off balance and if they have a
great rushing game, stuffing the rushing game.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
Even in the Super Bowl he did that against.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Saquon Barkley, and this year I thought that was lacking
a little bit, that they seem to be just a
half step from knocking the quarterback down on a keeping
him from throwing on balance on a third down plant.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
Just something was missing right there.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
The players weren't executing quite as well, and the coverage
downfield wasn't as lockdown either, so that if the quarterback
did get a decent throwoff, we've seen too many converted
third downs and those kind of things that have hurt
in this year of close losses one score losses. That
was not true the first half yesterday, Danny until the
last possession of the first half. Steve Spagnola and that
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defense is putting on a show. So when the Chiefs
led like they did, and you spoke about in that
introduction that, hey, I think the Chief's going to be
okay and win this game.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
I absolutely thought that.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
With two minutes left in the first half, I go,
this is the Chiefs defense, and I really thought the
Chargers were in trouble, be it on the road, whatever
you want to say. I believe in Harball. Hey, I
believe in Herbert Now. Okay, not the Josh Allen level,
but getting there. He's tough, he's good. I thought the
Chargers have really grown up to be a big factor.
Speaker 7 (06:59):
In this division.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
But I thought Steve Spagnola had them Chiefs had the
lead and they would do enough to go on and
win the ball game and really put heat on the
Chargers down the stretch.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
So I thought that was a big statement.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
I thought the Chiefs defense played great, but then a
score right before the half seemed to kind of break
that hold on the Chargers, and from that point on
they look comfortable. And something that's important, Danny, when you're
looking about the rest of the season and how you
should try, you do not want to lose the division teams.
You do not want to give them hope it carries
over to future years.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
So anybody who says they don't want the.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
Chiefs to win and worry about a draft pick a
couple of slots.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
I do not track with that.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
You don't want that infection into your brain that you
aren't a winning team and you don't want to lose
division games. That Christmas Day game against Denver could go
a whole long ways to say, hey, out Denver, you're
doing really well this year, but we still beat you
because that's what we do to division teams. The Chargers
are five to zero in the division. So if you
want to worry about the future, Danny, it's that these
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guys are believing in getting the work done where they
need to start in the division.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
In Denver's the whole talk right now, right rightfully.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
So that game over Green Bay was impressive, But the
Chargers are five and zero division and we know, as
Chiefs fans, owning this division is a big part of
keeping those streaks alive and being a great football team.
So I thought at halftimes, Spagnola's defense believed and it
was back even without McDuffie, even with Chris Jones lining
up off sides two times in a row when you
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couldn't believed those kind of things. I thought that was
a little theme of the game, But then it slid
away and you go into a lot of other aspects.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
Either be at the.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Game, the season, Patrick Mahomes, wherever you want to go, Nanny,
it's a lot of things worth talking about.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Well, let's start with Justin Herbert and then go on
to the Chiefs. You know, he was under unbelievable duress.
He's got a screws in his left hand, he was
not letting that. He's stiff farming people with it. He's
hanging in there. It looked like it was going to
be off or not because he had just no time
to throw. These weren't ghosts like Patrick Mahomes has sometimes seen.
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I mean, he had barely time to catch the shotgun
snap and be able to deliver. But then slowly but surely,
the pressure wasn't quite getting there. It was getting close.
But he was good. He was hanging tough. He made
some unbelievable throws in this game, and nineteen for twenty
nine for two twenty sounds okay, but he was better
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than that.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
Absolutely elite performance.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
He has risen up with the elite quarterbacks now and
he's done it steadily over the last two years. Once
Jim Harball gets into a quarterback's being, something good happens.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
He's quirky.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
I mean every interview you're wondering, really, Jim, really, you
know you're not sure how.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
Does he coach so well?
Speaker 6 (09:45):
But his connectivity with Alex Smith as the greatest example
Chiefs fans ought to know. You don't realize how much
trouble Alex Smith's career was in when Harball got introduced
to him and just took him on a journey that
went all the way to the Kansas City chief and
some good playing Washington before he's tragically injured.
Speaker 7 (10:02):
So I believed throughout that.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Herbert would come around, and he's doing it right before
our eyes this last few weeks. This season hasn't been easy.
They were likely the third best team in this division.
Things haven't been perfect. They made a playoffs last year,
but this year Denver was trumping him out right. Denver's
gonna win the division. Denver might be the number one seed.
And didn't we think the Chiefs are going to make
a run. Yes, I did three weeks ago.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
You know, Yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Thought the Chiefs are going to be the second best
team and the Chargers would be hanging on for dear
life if they made the playoffs. And Herbert has basically
put this team on his back and took all the hits,
including having a surgery. He didn't come out of the
game that he got hurt and had a surgery on
a Monday that weekend. When he played, he played all
the way through and he's making great plays. That touchdown
pass right before the half was just a killer to
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the Kansasty Chiefs and amazing. The Chargers were getting beat up,
couldn't They didn't have anything going well, and he threw
that perfect ball down the left sideline, the deep ball.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
That's one, but to.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
Throw that touchdown pass and not have to settle for
a field goal is really when they launched themselves. So yeah,
Justin Herbert is now in my conversation of actually being tough,
great leader. All the things we'd say about the best
quarterbacks in the NFL, and.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
The other thing they did that we've talked about many times,
and you know that Jim Harbor, Jim Harbo is going
to do this is they continue to run the football.
It wasn't pretty. They averaged only three point two yards
of carry, but they kept running it. Kamara and e
v Tal was twelve for thirty three. But when you
think about the game, you figure you feel like he
had more impact in the game than that. Hampton had
better stats. But they threw it twenty nine times, they
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ran it twenty nine times.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
Well, we've been waiting this for was it pre covid
we talked about this year?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Probably?
Speaker 6 (11:44):
I mean, the temptation to throw the ball in the
NFL is big because you win throwing the football. Okay,
Andy Reid knew that many many years ago and implemented
it and now everybody knows it. But sometimes when you're
playing the Chiefs, the best thing to do under the
Danny Cleiskale Stan Weber discussion years is hey, when you
have the lead or it's really closed and things are
going okay, you got to keep running.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
The ball against the Chiefs. It's a good investment.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
And the Chargers, did you know after scoring at the
half that didn't mean that they were ahead.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
That just meant that they'd pulled within a field goal.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
And you start the second half and you're saying, okay,
here we go Herbert, what are you going to do?
How about those two great passes right before the half,
and they acted like he was JJ McCarthy from Minnesota
or something, protecting him.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
Well, let's run, let's just run. And they did.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
But they were situationally perfect what they did. I mean,
they had an extra big old lineman running around, going
in motion like he's a tight end, and they were
just they needed two yards, they'd get three.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
That's winning football.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
They didn't get away from the formula. They gave them
the best chance to beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
And although, by the way, they didn't cover it that well.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
I mean, the Chiefs just kick a field goal, which
they should have had guaranteed Mahome's injury or not, it
should have been into overtime, so the Chargers would still
be playing into overtime, wondering if the formula work. But
it's still the best, most disciplined formula. Welcome to Jim
Harbaugh and Justin Herbert football, and the Chiefs are going
to have to deal with that in the next couple
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of years. For sure, at least that these guys are
legitimately focused on doing the right things and are not
going to blink, and that was a big story of
yesterday as well, along with a lot of others. So
a congratulations to them the right strategy to give themselves
the best chance. And like I said, they're undefeated in
the division. Don't forget this in the back of your
mind when you're thinking in the summer, Danny, they're five
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and oh, I don't know if they'll get to six
and oh, but if they can even say to themselves
we can even beat Denver and we can sweep teams
like Kansas City, that is a whole new level of
dangerous confidence building out there with a team that scott
it anyway with Harball.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And reflective of the season. Also, yes, the Chiefs ended
up playing three undrafted offensive linemen, but heck, the Chargers
like a totally makeshift offensive line anyway. Maybe the biggest
play of the games, what you just sort of referenced
in is the Patrick Mahomes interception. They've got a field
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goal in their pocket. I know, butcker hasn't been automatic,
but it was close. He in all likelihood would have
made it and the Chiefs would have been tied. He
throws just a hail Mary wheel route to his slowest receiver,
a man who hasn't made a contested catch in three years,
and it gets picked off. It looked like he was
throwing it to the defender. That was brutal. I know
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we're feeling bad for Mahomes now because he's hurt and everything,
and he was hurt some then, but what a bad
decision and he's made you know, as gallant as he's been,
he's made too many of those this year too.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Absolutely, it is a hard evaluation to really talk about
Patrick Mahomes because it is a smorgasboard from one end
of the range to the other. I'm going to stick
with the theme and I think you just said and
I think you believe it. What this guy has done
this year and especially last year with pretty average football team.
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You know, players around him is put him on his back.
And he does it again with that touchdown run up
the middle. You know, the stuff he's doing is just incredible.
But if you just evaluate his game, it has not
been up to the bar that it's been in the past.
His deep ball accuracy. He threw a good deep ball
this time to a receiver in Thornton. I love when
he's running the routes out there, by the way, but
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he could have got to pass interference. But other than that,
he's not hit the deep balls that are there this season,
and he's made some mistakes that you just don't you haven't.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
Seen in his past.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
I mean, odds wise, he's really not that far off
of what great quarterbacks have been throughout history.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
It's just that he's had fallless luck.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
If the ball gets tipped, you know, it falls to
the ground, if doesn't getting intercepted, and it didn't happen
this year, even the sack that you see, the sack
that he took when he fumbled, and yet he grabbed
the ball before it went to the ground early in
the game. No other quarterbacks don't ever have that happen.
You know, it's either he is super coordinator or super
lucky or whatever for him to hold on the ball might.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
Be a play.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
I'd be talking to you, Danny about about the Chief
victory that that should have been a strip sack. He
got hit hard, the ball was loose as he's falling,
and somehow he grasps it back. So yes, Patrick's going
to have to decide some things with how he's going
to play the game as well. How much will the
need factor in to his whole being how he plays quarterback.
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There's gonna be a lot of simultaneous equations, but so
far he's done a pretty good job of sorting them out.
I'll say this year, and I don't really want to
blame Patrick as much as just say I think his
mind had so many thoughts in it. I'm going to
use a golfer's statement, and I'm not a good golfer,
so correct me if I'm wrong here, Danny, you can't
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have too many swing thoughts.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
Even though there's like seven.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Important things that you probably need to focus in on
to hit a perfect golf shot, like you have to
be a great NFL quarterback, you can't think about those
seven things right. And it seems to me add on
to this, Danny, if I got this right, I think
he is thinking of many swing thoughts. Many football issues
are going through his brain before the ball snapped, after
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the ball snapped, and it's a mixed bag. Sometimes he's
got wide open receivers that he doesn't throw to because
I think he's got so many things in his mind
about does he trust the blockers, does he trust the receivers?
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Does he really know where Travis is going? To go
this year.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Should he just run for the first down on third
and six or should he stay in the pocket and throw.
You know who's on defense, what formation they're in, what
blitz they're bringing. I mean, he knows too much almost,
Does that make sense like a golfer thinking too much?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Absolutely good analogy, Absolutely absolutely. I want to talk about
a game specific thing which is going to be lost.
I'm sure in say, people are already talking about overarching things.
Whether this is gist and eruption of the of the dynasty,
or if it's the end of it, or are going
to be like the Patriots and reconstruct or is it
only going to be just even a blip and they'll
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be back at it next year. But this is this
is a league thing. To Stan. Here's the Chiefs last drive. Okay,
they get the ball with five minutes and twenty seconds
to go in all their timeouts, and here's what they do.
They have to start at their eight because of course
they get another penalty on special teams, which they do
every single time there's a return. So five twenty to go,
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Chiefs complete an eleven yard pass. Next snap comes at
four forty five, they complete a nine yard pass. Next
snap comes at four oh four. They're basically taking the
entire play clock to run plays again. They get another
You know, these plays are all successful in their own way.
This four yard run, next snap three thirty four. Another
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thirty seconds go by, next snap two fifty eight. They
finally call their first time out after that, after showing
zero urgency, burning the clock, apparently just saying well, the
best we can do here is get a field goal
and tie the game. And it didn't stop there. They
called that time out. They get a nine yard pass,
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That snap comes a two point fifty one. The next
snap comes at two oh seven. I mean, what the
hell were they doing?
Speaker 6 (19:26):
It is amazing to me when you look at a
game that was sixteen to thirteen to think, oh, we
can use the clock and score at the right time.
You know, to me, that whole mindset shouldn't be there.
We should have some game specific strategies. Danny and I
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would be saying, you know, it's not likely we're going
to roll in and score on the Chargers very easily.
I'd like to have two chances, you know, like an NBA,
when there's thirty two seconds on the clock, you're going
to go two for one, get a quick shot off,
but they got a shoot.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
In twenty four. I mean, why wouldn't the Chiefs believe
in themselves? Danny?
Speaker 6 (20:04):
To further your point and say, I think we're better
than the Chargers, So let's play as many plays as possible.
Let's not worry about if we score that the Chargers
have enough time left to come back and hurt us.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Also, hell, there is five minutes. Yeah, they're five minutes
and twenty seconds to go. What you're saying is this
is it for us? There's time for two drives. I mean,
there's time for you to go three and out and
stop them and get the ball back.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Not doing this exactly, or drive down, kick a field
goal and say, oh, no, you know the Chargers have
two forty five left in the game, three point fifteen
left in the game. Oh, they're gonna win the No,
that doesn't mean they're gonna win the game. There's plenty
of time for them to do whatever they're gonna do.
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Maybe you stop them and get the ball back and
win it and don't have to go to overtime. Or
if they do score, Danny, you got time to go
back and match them.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Anybody, Yeah, anybody sees Seattle Colts yesterday.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Yeah, I mean, I think if you're the Kansay Chiefs,
you want to play as many plays as possible from
this point of the game to the end because no
matter what we say today after a loss and Patrick
being hurt, the Chargers being undefeated in the division, deep down,
you got to believe that the Chiefs are better than
the Chargers on that sideline.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
If you're Kansaity chief you got to go.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Let's go, let's speed up and play as many plays
as possible the rest of the way because the odds
will lean in our favorite We're going to outperform them.
Not hey, let's barely get downfield and score Riot the
last second so Herbert can't go down. It's almost like
the halftime drive was shocking their brain, like they're worried
about the Chargers doing that again. Does that make sense
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that last halftime drive was that in the back of
their minds. But game management, game management has been of
issue right now. Some play calling, if you want to
get into that too, Danny has been of some issue.
This has not been a clean slate dominating a decision
making offensively and game management for Andy Reid, Matt Naggy
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and the Kansay Chiefs this year, right, I mean we've
seen we've seen some things. For instance, what's Andy going
to do this summer? I hope he gets convicted with
what his strategy is going to be.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
He has been a.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Great coach with the Chiefs with a strategy that, yeah,
we'll go for fourth down once in a while, but
if we're two scores down, we're gonna pull within one score.
If we had the ball in our own territory or
their forty yard line and we can't kick a fifty
eight yard field goal because of the weather, whatever, let's
punt the ball and let Steve Spagnola's defense go. His
philosophy made people upset, maybe, but it was a core
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philosophy that was predictable and everyone in the building knew what.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
The strategy was. I don't know what the strategy is now, Danny. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
I mean, they'll go for fourth down in their own territory.
They'll stall out the game like this. I think that
I don't know what switch flipped for Andy. About a
third of the way to half of the way through
the season, he became a modern let's go for fourth
down guy, and it's just been just a little surprising
to me that they just.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Don't believe in the way they're going to do things.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
And now I think they got a lot of questions
to ask, you know, obviously a ton of questions about
everything on this football team and organization of where they
want to go in the future.
Speaker 7 (23:17):
Not a disaster, just where do you want to go?
This is one of the things, Danny, that I want.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
To see, Like, what is the philosophy you're going to
use to manage this game? To try to stall the
game out with five minutes left and score it just
the right time made no sense to me either.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We've got plenty of time to talk about the mindset
of the Chiefs over the last three weeks and the
future of the Chiefs, so let's save that for another day.
Let's talk a little bit of college football coming up next.
Not really that much on the field, although the Army
Navy game was compelling, I will say that, and plenty
to talk about. Coming up next. It's Danny and Stan's
Football Weekend, presented by ASFCA.
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just a little bit standard, just as a quick note.
You know, great pageantry standalone game. Generally the Army Navy
game is very fun to watch, and boy, they've got
some really cool helmets now for those two teams too.
But the end of that game was crazy quarterbacks fumbling,
recovering their own fumble, and in the end Navy wins.
That that was a fun football game.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
It really was.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
So often you make it out to be a fun
football game because it's usually even you know, it's different football.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, they used to be both. They used to be
both terrible.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Yeah, but they both to play the same style with
the same kind of kids. They get trade uniforms and
we wouldn't even notice it. You know, there's a lot
of things about it. And then you have national pride. Hey,
you kind of have a little tear running down your
your cheek in the fact that football season's over.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
For college, right, and you got like, I want to
I want to watch this game.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
So yeah, it's always been compelling and maybe overvalued in
a sense from a football perspective, But this game lived
up to any hype you want to have on it, Danny.
That fourth quarter was absolutely incredible. And if you haven't
seen it and you want to go back to YouTube
or whatever, I'm telling you you don't need all these
other comments that I just mentioned to value. This is
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about football, right, Okay, when when Army has a lead
and they're the underdog, but they've controlled the game, they
have the lead, and Navy's making a push to come
back and win the game, you can't tell who's going
to win the game, right, And you really can't tell
who's going to win the game. And here comes Navy
down the field and then they basically try a push
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push a touchdown run. So you're saying, Okay, that's great,
except for the ball really never gets to the quarterback.
If you didn't see this game, the ball squirts away
from the quarterback and center and falls because of an
Army player, okay, Army linebacker. I did Army games this year, Danny.
I did a game and I studied him so.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Closely, and I told you how the linebackers are great,
and we're fifty three and number fifty one. They're great.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
So the guy dies over the pole punches the ball out,
but he doesn't know he's punched the ball out.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
He just tries the ball.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Squirts out and sitting on the field away from the
rugby scrum. So everyone's pushing the running backs, pushing the quarterback.
The quarterback is probably the only guy that goes, hey,
I don't have the ball, but you can't tell. And
all of a sudden, the opponent, the Army guy, sees
the ball laying at the one or two yard line
over to the side, and so he goes to grab
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it and scoop it and run, and so has he
grabs it, he takes a step or a half a step,
and it is I can't be it.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
Navy blew the chance? Are you kidding me? What a
great play?
Speaker 6 (29:03):
And then a Navy player who's on the ground reaches
out and takes one last whack yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
To say I don't want you to run for a.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Touchdown, and he knocks the ball loose and they get
it back right.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
One star player knocked it out and the other star
player actually recovered it.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
At the end, another guy comes running around.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
A wide receiver comes and saves a day, but they
lose yardage, so they're no longer at the goal line.
Then the quarterback gets sacked, so now you're inches from
the goal line, pushing it for a touchdown, and now
you're a non passing team back outside the ten yard line. Okay,
so you're going, oh, Navy, you're gonna have to settle
for a field goal, but you're down by six and
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you don't know how if you're going to get the
ball back.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
And all this stuff. So they go get sacked.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Now it's fourth down and the world's turned upside down
because they decide not to kick a field goal to
pull within three.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
We got to go for fourth down.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Then they throw a perfect pass over the middle like
they're Patrick Mahomes, you know, throwing to Travis Kelsey.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Touchdown on fourth down and you gotta go. You gotta
be kidding me.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
And then trying to run out the clock, the quarterback
runs gets hit again beautifully.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
By one of those linebackers.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
The ball pops up into it above his head, but
a foot and a half two feet above his head
as he's being tackled, he looks up somehow grabs the
ball as he's falling down and loses the ball as
he comes to the ground.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
They get the turnover.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Armies got the ball, but the instant replay shows that
he literally was down right and they win the game.
So two quarterback fumbles if your Army. They did not
sleep that night. I mean they had two fumbles caused
at critical points and somehow didn't get either one of them.
It is a miracle. It is so unlucky for them.
But yeah, great game. It was everything. And let me
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give me a shout out to Gary Danielson. Yeah, an
old corpse. I think he's a brilliant broadcaster. He did
SEC forever with Verne Lundquist and now they lost that
package to ESPN, so at CBS, he's been doing big
ten games. I don't know how much people followed him
as a guy. You know you hear Kirk herb Street
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so much more. But Gary Danielson was the best color
analyst in college football for the last.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
Fifteen twenty years. That was his last game.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
He loves Army, Navy and appreciation, So I just want
to say shout out. I don't know what you think, Danny.
I know you listen to broadcasters, but I love the
way that guy broadcast games.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
And thanks for a great career.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Another kind of tip of the hat thing, well not
tip of the hat, just a warm feeling at the holidays.
Your son is coming to K State, coming back to
K State to coach. That's official now Stanton will be
the special teams coach. It's going to be very exciting
for you.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
And it's such a weird situation because, out of thirty
nine years of broadcasting K State football games, other than
my sons Stanton and Landry player, I'm closest to as
a friendship as a grown up friendship is Colin Klin.
So it's almost like he's my nephew or something, if
that makes sense, Danny.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Because if a K State football.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Player became the new head coach at K State, I
would have all kinds of warm feelings and stories and
fun ways of building this up, of saying I'm so.
Speaker 7 (32:18):
Glad he's back home. What's completely different with that?
Speaker 6 (32:21):
And Colin, I mean, he truly is the closest to
me of all the football players throughout the time. He
is truly a friend of mine and even a better
friend of my son. Stanton and his brother is great
friends with stan. So first of all, I want to
say my appreciation for seeing Colin Psycho back and actually
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get a chance to be the.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
Head coach at k State. Is off the charts, just
off the charts.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
Then you add times five because he and Stanton are
both back. So from a personal standpoint, Stanton married Natalie.
She's a South Carolina grad. He met her when he
was with coach Beemer out South Carolina, got married and
so she's been really great. We like her a lot,
but she hasn't really lived around us very much, so
we get a great introduction to what it's like to
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be around her and family all the time. She's going
to get the great introduction of all the great things
she's heard about k State.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
So yeah, too good to be true.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
The most importantly, Danny, there's a cold blooded practical side
as you know that no matter where Stanton coaches or
calling coaches, I'm going to be rooting for k State
and doing their games right.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
So I want what's best for KSE State. So if
you said, hey, a couple of my best friends are
going to be coaching a k state, I'd say.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Oh crap, we're in so much trouble. My friends, they
can't do this. You know, it's not about friendship. I
really believe in Colin Klin. I really believe in him,
and fortunately, I really believe in Stanton because you've been
around me and our family enough that the last thing
I'd want is you patting me on the back about
how much fun this is. And I know Stam's going
to completely fail because he's in over his head. You know,
I'm going to appreciate him as a human being and
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love him just as much. If he's the Washbird Special
Teams coordinator, you know, if that's his if that's his
best ability, fine let's go.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
So I do not want to see him.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Get promoted into failure, especially for my team at our school.
You know. So what's good, Danny is there's no guarantee
because it's hard to win no guarantees.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
Collin's never been a head coach. I get that. But
I totally.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Believe in Collin and Stanton individually and together. So I
am excited I can talk to you about all the fun,
exciting things for my family because the core thing is
how they coach for k State, and I really have
enough confidence that they're ready for if they're young. They're
in their thirties, but I've seen some great Oklahoma coaches.
Remember how Oklahoma every time hired a young coach in
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their thirties, And I think about the days when Bill
Snyder came.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
He's a little bit older, but it's.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
His first head coaching job, and he brought guys like
Bob Stoops and Jim Levitt and Mark Mangino. Venables went
through there. You know, I can I have an appreciation
for when you got real talent and enthusiasm, understanding of
the goals, teamwork and energy off the charts that things
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can work out really well. Kind of reminds me of
those days they're in over their head a little bit
in age an experience about being a head coach for Colin,
But otherwise I feel really good that they are going
to do the work that we're going to be proud
of from a Case State perspective. So I am happy
about that, and therefore it'll be fun to have Stanton
around a lot more.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Heisman Trophy was announced it you know, with each pat
I think the Heisman Trophy sort of had a sort
of an uptick of the last few years after you know,
it was the biggest thing in the world for a
while and then it was sort of like, Okay, the
Heisman Trophy whatever, and now I think has had a
little bit of a renaissance. But it's nice when there
are stories like Mendoza winning the Heisman Trophy a tremendous
(35:50):
season for Indiana, but almost a team award because they
were so good this year. To me, there was no
player who was more important to his team than Diego Pavia.
I'll say that, but he was the runner and it
wasn't really close as far as the voters were concerned.
But a cool story in either.
Speaker 7 (36:05):
Case, that's well said.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
I think in either case is good, and I like
how you said there's an uptick. I think one of
the things that the Heisman Trophy Trust did that they
needed to do was take ESPN's juice away from their trophy.
It wasn't that long ago that every voter who works
for ESPN would be telling you what they voted, you know,
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three weeks before what they were going to do, and
then before the actual announcement of the Heisman Trophy when
the official ballots were in the Monday before the Saturday
it's announced, Danny, my computer, It's really easy to do
now we don't have the mail in ballots and that
kind of thing they ESPN was just blowing it up
by everybody, you know, such a good sample size was
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telling us how they voted, and it became an afterthought
the Heisman trust.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
I'm a Heisman Trophy voter and have been for I
don't know, Danny, close to twenty five years now.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
So I love the fact that they said you signed
something to say you will not disclose how you voted
until the.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
Results come out on Saturday night.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
So if you would have asked me this last week, hey,
you put your vote in already, haven't you, I would
have said yes, and you said how did you vote?
Speaker 7 (37:12):
And I would have said, I can't tell you. I'm
not going to do it.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
I signed a document and said I'll keep it quiet.
So I think they added a little more juice to
the announcement. And as usual, Danny, you are right on
the mindset of where I am. I voted Diego Pavia
number one on my Heisman Trophy ballots.
Speaker 7 (37:30):
I think what he.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
Did transforming Vanderbilt into a winning program really on his
shoulders much more than the whole team. In my opinion
that I thought that even this year, what he did
was outrageous, playing in the SEC and the record they
had and the wins they had, like being a good
Missouri team or whatever. So I voted him number one
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in Mendoza number two. It was hard. It was hard,
and I felt no nothing but joy when it was announced.
When I saw it announced, I just go, great, this
is awesome. Either one of these stories is really good.
How humble these guys are, how hard they work. The
message for college football, youth football, the youth of America,
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the old people of America to hear these guys speak
about not being given the Golden spoon when they were
twelve years old, and money and five star and that's
all it took. And you know, just great athleticism. It
really took their teammates, all the coaches and supporters, their confidence,
their self worth, you know, all these things that are
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so important. Danny.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
I'm really into mental health.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
I've been into mental health, not since you know, modern history,
in our last three or five or ten years. I
could tell when I was fifteen years old how important
mental health was. I respected the heck out of it.
So I'm a giant advocate for believing in yourself when
no one else does and just continue to grind and
hope good things are going to happen, and surround yourself
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with good peace people. That's what these stories are about.
So it's so encouraging. There's there's thousands of kids out
there who have no chance of playing college football but
should really try hard for their high school team, Danny,
and they might do it because of these guys like, hey,
maybe I'll be a Heisman Trophy winner.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
So I'm second team right now. I don't care. I'm
going to keep trying. You know. Isn't that awesome? Great mess?
Right message?
Speaker 6 (39:22):
And they both are really good. They both are really
good football players. So really happy for him. I had
trouble going one and two. You're okay with my evaluation.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I would to pick probably too, Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 7 (39:35):
That's right. I can tell you now, Danny. That's right.
I went number one.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
There you go.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
We we've got time for the playoffs because it'll wait
for Stan's picks for that. Indiana is such a great story.
Now they have a Heisman Trophy winner, Stan, I have
I'm just gonna run this one by before we go.
I was thinking about this the other day when the
first Bowl game came on, and I'm like, I wonder
who's playing for these two teams and what they're now
to be? Not a heck of a game the Washington
Boise State game. So bull season underway, and what I
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thought was well, in this day and age where we
have Niil and everything else, I bet a lot of
guys would show up for the ball game if you said,
the winning team gets three hundred thousand dollars to split
up and the losing team gets one hundred thousand dollars
to split up. How about that?
Speaker 7 (40:20):
I love it.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
I love it because we've just learned that the infection
of money is the only thing I should be thinking
about right now.
Speaker 7 (40:28):
Is very real.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
And these young guys haven't had a great career with
tons of money, So why wouldn't they value every dollar
you did in college?
Speaker 7 (40:36):
Danny?
Speaker 6 (40:37):
So yes, absolutely, because I remember back Danny, when you
and I were watching the Super bowls unfold, you know,
super Bowl five, super Bowl eight, super Bowl thirteen. There
used to be fifteen thousand to the winner each player
and seven thousand, five hundred to each loser, and those
players would talk about it after the game.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
You know, they wanted to win a ring and all.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
That stuff, But they are getting paid that much and
a lot of them have off season jobs as insurance
agents or something, right, and they really cared about having
fifteen thousand instead of seventy five hundred in that Super
Bowl game. So it has been in our lives proven
at a level as high as the NFL that that
would make a big difference if you could tell those
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players it's the fourth quarter and we're down by seven,
or more importantly, it's a week before the game, and
they get us decide if they want to.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Hop that player or not. Yeah, that's the big part.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
Say hey, how would you like this amount of money?
Speaker 6 (41:33):
How would this field could practice three more times and
actually try in a game? How would you like to
get you know, whatever it is, ten thousand dollars or whatever. Yeah, yeah,
I'm a I'm all in, Danny, Absolutely, I think so,
I think that would matter.
Speaker 7 (41:50):
It sounds like that's the thing that's going to have
to do. It is just to say that there's a.
Speaker 6 (41:54):
Rainbow ending here, gold at the end of the rainbow.
So that kind of motivation needs to be done. I'm
hoping that the NIL contracts. I can't tell what's legal
and what's not in the new world, but I hope
that people write the contract to say you lose fifty
percent of your NIL money or your profit sharing money
if it's the school.
Speaker 7 (42:14):
If you don't play all the way through the end
of the season, ye put a penalty. Put a penalty
out there. If you say, I'm who cares I want
to play in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
I'm not going to get hurt, find me or take
back my half of my NIL. There should be some
kind of monetary issue if you don't finish off your
job for what you're getting paid for, and that includes
the Bowl game.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Agreed. That's Stan Weber. We have a treat every week
talking football, and even though we won't be talking about
meaningful Chiefs games or Chiefs playoff games, still a lot
of football to be played. We'll talk to you again
next week. Stan, Thanks, Danny. Don't tell them the only
reason why I.
Speaker 7 (42:48):
Do is because you paid me money. I fix the
amount of money.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
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Welcome back. We're going to have three meaningless football games
to conclude the season, as the Chiefs don't really they're
sort of in the middle of the pack. As far
as the draft is concerned. I'm sure there's a lot
of people who have just figured they should go lose
them all. But it's been a decade. No, it's been
way longer than that. Has been a decade since the
Chiefs have not made the playoffs. But it's been a
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lot longer than that that they've had completely meaningless football
games twenty twelve, and now they do after yesterday sixteen
thirteen loss to the Chargers. Chargers team that took over
late in the first half, when it looked like the
Chiefs had this game by the throat at thirteen to three,
I kind of felt like the game was over. It
was not. Once the Chargers grabbed it. They took hold
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and they looked like the better football team, the more
physical football team, the livelier football team from that point forward.
And then in the end we get the crushing finish
of Patrick Mahomes in the last drive, getting hurt. He
had been under dress all day. He went in with
a sore knee. A lot of things to unpacks, Dan.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Yeah, there's such a wide range of things. You'd hit on,
so many things. I guess I'll start with kind of
a crazy in game of view, I have said one
of the things that have hurt the Chiefs is ce
Spagnola's defense. The way he's dominated is such a key
part of the Chief's great run to the Super Bowl
level play, and obviously.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
As championship with Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
It's also the defense, and he has been dominating teams
and keeping them off balance and if they have a
great rushing game, stuffing the rushing game.
Speaker 7 (05:50):
Even in the Super Bowl he did that against.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Saquon Barkley, and this year I thought that was lacking
a little bit, that they seem to be just a
half step from knocking the quarterback down on a keeping
him from throwing on balance on a third down plant.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
Just something was missing right there.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
The players weren't executing quite as well, and the coverage
downfield wasn't as lockdown either, so that if the quarterback
did get a decent throwoff, we've seen too many converted
third downs and those kind of things that have hurt
in this year of close losses one score losses. That
was not true the first half yesterday, Danny until the
last possession of the first half. Steve Spagnola and that
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defense is putting on a show. So when the Chiefs
led like they did, and you spoke about in that
introduction that, hey, I think the Chief's going to be
okay and win this game.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
I absolutely thought that.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
With two minutes left in the first half, I go,
this is the Chiefs defense, and I really thought the
Chargers were in trouble, be it on the road, whatever
you want to say. I believe in Harball. Hey, I
believe in Herbert Now. Okay, not the Josh Allen level,
but getting there. He's tough, he's good. I thought the
Chargers have really grown up to be a big factor.
Speaker 7 (06:59):
In this division.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
But I thought Steve Spagnola had them Chiefs had the
lead and they would do enough to go on and
win the ball game and really put heat on the
Chargers down the stretch.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
So I thought that was a big statement.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
I thought the Chiefs defense played great, but then a
score right before the half seemed to kind of break
that hold on the Chargers, and from that point on
they look comfortable. And something that's important, Danny, when you're
looking about the rest of the season and how you
should try, you do not want to lose the division teams.
You do not want to give them hope it carries
over to future years.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
So anybody who says they don't want the.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
Chiefs to win and worry about a draft pick a
couple of slots.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
I do not track with that.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
You don't want that infection into your brain that you
aren't a winning team and you don't want to lose
division games. That Christmas Day game against Denver could go
a whole long ways to say, hey, out Denver, you're
doing really well this year, but we still beat you
because that's what we do to division teams. The Chargers
are five to zero in the division. So if you
want to worry about the future, Danny, it's that these
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guys are believing in getting the work done where they
need to start in the division.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
In Denver's the whole talk right now, right rightfully.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
So that game over Green Bay was impressive, But the
Chargers are five and zero division and we know, as
Chiefs fans, owning this division is a big part of
keeping those streaks alive and being a great football team.
So I thought at halftimes, Spagnola's defense believed and it
was back even without McDuffie, even with Chris Jones lining
up off sides two times in a row when you
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couldn't believed those kind of things. I thought that was
a little theme of the game, But then it slid
away and you go into a lot of other aspects.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
Either be at the.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Game, the season, Patrick Mahomes, wherever you want to go, Nanny,
it's a lot of things worth talking about.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Well, let's start with Justin Herbert and then go on
to the Chiefs. You know, he was under unbelievable duress.
He's got a screws in his left hand, he was
not letting that. He's stiff farming people with it. He's
hanging in there. It looked like it was going to
be off or not because he had just no time
to throw. These weren't ghosts like Patrick Mahomes has sometimes seen.
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I mean, he had barely time to catch the shotgun
snap and be able to deliver. But then slowly but surely,
the pressure wasn't quite getting there. It was getting close.
But he was good. He was hanging tough. He made
some unbelievable throws in this game, and nineteen for twenty
nine for two twenty sounds okay, but he was better
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than that.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
Absolutely elite performance.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
He has risen up with the elite quarterbacks now and
he's done it steadily over the last two years. Once
Jim Harball gets into a quarterback's being, something good happens.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
He's quirky.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
I mean every interview you're wondering, really, Jim, really, you
know you're not sure how.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
Does he coach so well?
Speaker 6 (09:45):
But his connectivity with Alex Smith as the greatest example
Chiefs fans ought to know. You don't realize how much
trouble Alex Smith's career was in when Harball got introduced
to him and just took him on a journey that
went all the way to the Kansas City chief and
some good playing Washington before he's tragically injured.
Speaker 7 (10:02):
So I believed throughout that.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Herbert would come around, and he's doing it right before
our eyes this last few weeks. This season hasn't been easy.
They were likely the third best team in this division.
Things haven't been perfect. They made a playoffs last year,
but this year Denver was trumping him out right. Denver's
gonna win the division. Denver might be the number one seed.
And didn't we think the Chiefs are going to make
a run. Yes, I did three weeks ago.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
You know, Yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Thought the Chiefs are going to be the second best
team and the Chargers would be hanging on for dear
life if they made the playoffs. And Herbert has basically
put this team on his back and took all the hits,
including having a surgery. He didn't come out of the
game that he got hurt and had a surgery on
a Monday that weekend. When he played, he played all
the way through and he's making great plays. That touchdown
pass right before the half was just a killer to
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the Kansasty Chiefs and amazing. The Chargers were getting beat up,
couldn't They didn't have anything going well, and he threw
that perfect ball down the left sideline, the deep ball.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
That's one, but to.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
Throw that touchdown pass and not have to settle for
a field goal is really when they launched themselves. So yeah,
Justin Herbert is now in my conversation of actually being tough,
great leader. All the things we'd say about the best
quarterbacks in the NFL, and.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
The other thing they did that we've talked about many times,
and you know that Jim Harbor, Jim Harbo is going
to do this is they continue to run the football.
It wasn't pretty. They averaged only three point two yards
of carry, but they kept running it. Kamara and e
v Tal was twelve for thirty three. But when you
think about the game, you figure you feel like he
had more impact in the game than that. Hampton had
better stats. But they threw it twenty nine times, they
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ran it twenty nine times.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
Well, we've been waiting this for was it pre covid
we talked about this year?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Probably?
Speaker 6 (11:44):
I mean, the temptation to throw the ball in the
NFL is big because you win throwing the football. Okay,
Andy Reid knew that many many years ago and implemented
it and now everybody knows it. But sometimes when you're
playing the Chiefs, the best thing to do under the
Danny Cleiskale Stan Weber discussion years is hey, when you
have the lead or it's really closed and things are
going okay, you got to keep running.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
The ball against the Chiefs. It's a good investment.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
And the Chargers, did you know after scoring at the
half that didn't mean that they were ahead.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
That just meant that they'd pulled within a field goal.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
And you start the second half and you're saying, okay,
here we go Herbert, what are you going to do?
How about those two great passes right before the half,
and they acted like he was JJ McCarthy from Minnesota
or something, protecting him.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
Well, let's run, let's just run. And they did.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
But they were situationally perfect what they did. I mean,
they had an extra big old lineman running around, going
in motion like he's a tight end, and they were
just they needed two yards, they'd get three.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
That's winning football.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
They didn't get away from the formula. They gave them
the best chance to beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
And although, by the way, they didn't cover it that well.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
I mean, the Chiefs just kick a field goal, which
they should have had guaranteed Mahome's injury or not, it
should have been into overtime, so the Chargers would still
be playing into overtime, wondering if the formula work. But
it's still the best, most disciplined formula. Welcome to Jim
Harbaugh and Justin Herbert football, and the Chiefs are going
to have to deal with that in the next couple
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of years. For sure, at least that these guys are
legitimately focused on doing the right things and are not
going to blink, and that was a big story of
yesterday as well, along with a lot of others. So
a congratulations to them the right strategy to give themselves
the best chance. And like I said, they're undefeated in
the division. Don't forget this in the back of your
mind when you're thinking in the summer, Danny, they're five
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and oh, I don't know if they'll get to six
and oh, but if they can even say to themselves
we can even beat Denver and we can sweep teams
like Kansas City, that is a whole new level of
dangerous confidence building out there with a team that scott
it anyway with Harball.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And reflective of the season. Also, yes, the Chiefs ended
up playing three undrafted offensive linemen, but heck, the Chargers
like a totally makeshift offensive line anyway. Maybe the biggest
play of the games, what you just sort of referenced
in is the Patrick Mahomes interception. They've got a field
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goal in their pocket. I know, butcker hasn't been automatic,
but it was close. He in all likelihood would have
made it and the Chiefs would have been tied. He
throws just a hail Mary wheel route to his slowest receiver,
a man who hasn't made a contested catch in three years,
and it gets picked off. It looked like he was
throwing it to the defender. That was brutal. I know
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we're feeling bad for Mahomes now because he's hurt and everything,
and he was hurt some then, but what a bad
decision and he's made you know, as gallant as he's been,
he's made too many of those this year too.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Absolutely, it is a hard evaluation to really talk about
Patrick Mahomes because it is a smorgasboard from one end
of the range to the other. I'm going to stick
with the theme and I think you just said and
I think you believe it. What this guy has done
this year and especially last year with pretty average football team.
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You know, players around him is put him on his back.
And he does it again with that touchdown run up
the middle. You know, the stuff he's doing is just incredible.
But if you just evaluate his game, it has not
been up to the bar that it's been in the past.
His deep ball accuracy. He threw a good deep ball
this time to a receiver in Thornton. I love when
he's running the routes out there, by the way, but
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he could have got to pass interference. But other than that,
he's not hit the deep balls that are there this season,
and he's made some mistakes that you just don't you haven't.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
Seen in his past.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
I mean, odds wise, he's really not that far off
of what great quarterbacks have been throughout history.
Speaker 7 (15:43):
It's just that he's had fallless luck.
Speaker 6 (15:44):
If the ball gets tipped, you know, it falls to
the ground, if doesn't getting intercepted, and it didn't happen
this year, even the sack that you see, the sack
that he took when he fumbled, and yet he grabbed
the ball before it went to the ground early in
the game. No other quarterbacks don't ever have that happen.
You know, it's either he is super coordinator or super
lucky or whatever for him to hold on the ball might.
Speaker 7 (16:07):
Be a play.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
I'd be talking to you, Danny about about the Chief
victory that that should have been a strip sack. He
got hit hard, the ball was loose as he's falling,
and somehow he grasps it back. So yes, Patrick's going
to have to decide some things with how he's going
to play the game as well. How much will the
need factor in to his whole being how he plays quarterback.
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There's gonna be a lot of simultaneous equations, but so
far he's done a pretty good job of sorting them out.
I'll say this year, and I don't really want to
blame Patrick as much as just say I think his
mind had so many thoughts in it. I'm going to
use a golfer's statement, and I'm not a good golfer,
so correct me if I'm wrong here, Danny, you can't
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have too many swing thoughts.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
Even though there's like seven.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Important things that you probably need to focus in on
to hit a perfect golf shot, like you have to
be a great NFL quarterback, you can't think about those
seven things right. And it seems to me add on
to this, Danny, if I got this right, I think
he is thinking of many swing thoughts. Many football issues
are going through his brain before the ball snapped, after
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the ball snapped, and it's a mixed bag. Sometimes he's
got wide open receivers that he doesn't throw to because
I think he's got so many things in his mind
about does he trust the blockers, does he trust the receivers?
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Does he really know where Travis is going? To go
this year.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Should he just run for the first down on third
and six or should he stay in the pocket and throw.
You know who's on defense, what formation they're in, what
blitz they're bringing. I mean, he knows too much almost,
Does that make sense like a golfer thinking too much?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Absolutely good analogy, Absolutely absolutely. I want to talk about
a game specific thing which is going to be lost.
I'm sure in say, people are already talking about overarching things.
Whether this is gist and eruption of the of the dynasty,
or if it's the end of it, or are going
to be like the Patriots and reconstruct or is it
only going to be just even a blip and they'll
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be back at it next year. But this is this
is a league thing. To Stan. Here's the Chiefs last drive. Okay,
they get the ball with five minutes and twenty seconds
to go in all their timeouts, and here's what they do.
They have to start at their eight because of course
they get another penalty on special teams, which they do
every single time there's a return. So five twenty to go,
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Chiefs complete an eleven yard pass. Next snap comes at
four forty five, they complete a nine yard pass. Next
snap comes at four oh four. They're basically taking the
entire play clock to run plays again. They get another
You know, these plays are all successful in their own way.
This four yard run, next snap three thirty four. Another
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thirty seconds go by, next snap two fifty eight. They
finally call their first time out after that, after showing
zero urgency, burning the clock, apparently just saying well, the
best we can do here is get a field goal
and tie the game. And it didn't stop there. They
called that time out. They get a nine yard pass,
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That snap comes a two point fifty one. The next
snap comes at two oh seven. I mean, what the
hell were they doing?
Speaker 6 (19:26):
It is amazing to me when you look at a
game that was sixteen to thirteen to think, oh, we
can use the clock and score at the right time.
You know, to me, that whole mindset shouldn't be there.
We should have some game specific strategies. Danny and I
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would be saying, you know, it's not likely we're going
to roll in and score on the Chargers very easily.
I'd like to have two chances, you know, like an NBA,
when there's thirty two seconds on the clock, you're going
to go two for one, get a quick shot off,
but they got a shoot.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
In twenty four. I mean, why wouldn't the Chiefs believe
in themselves? Danny?
Speaker 6 (20:04):
To further your point and say, I think we're better
than the Chargers, So let's play as many plays as possible.
Let's not worry about if we score that the Chargers
have enough time left to come back and hurt us.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Also, hell, there is five minutes. Yeah, they're five minutes
and twenty seconds to go. What you're saying is this
is it for us? There's time for two drives. I mean,
there's time for you to go three and out and
stop them and get the ball back.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Not doing this exactly, or drive down, kick a field
goal and say, oh, no, you know the Chargers have
two forty five left in the game, three point fifteen
left in the game. Oh, they're gonna win the No,
that doesn't mean they're gonna win the game. There's plenty
of time for them to do whatever they're gonna do.
(20:50):
Maybe you stop them and get the ball back and
win it and don't have to go to overtime. Or
if they do score, Danny, you got time to go
back and match them.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Anybody, Yeah, anybody sees Seattle Colts yesterday.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Yeah, I mean, I think if you're the Kansay Chiefs,
you want to play as many plays as possible from
this point of the game to the end because no
matter what we say today after a loss and Patrick
being hurt, the Chargers being undefeated in the division, deep down,
you got to believe that the Chiefs are better than
the Chargers on that sideline.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
If you're Kansaity chief you got to go.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Let's go, let's speed up and play as many plays
as possible the rest of the way because the odds
will lean in our favorite We're going to outperform them.
Not hey, let's barely get downfield and score Riot the
last second so Herbert can't go down. It's almost like
the halftime drive was shocking their brain, like they're worried
about the Chargers doing that again. Does that make sense
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that last halftime drive was that in the back of
their minds. But game management, game management has been of
issue right now. Some play calling, if you want to
get into that too, Danny has been of some issue.
This has not been a clean slate dominating a decision
making offensively and game management for Andy Reid, Matt Naggy
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and the Kansay Chiefs this year, right, I mean we've
seen we've seen some things. For instance, what's Andy going
to do this summer? I hope he gets convicted with
what his strategy is going to be.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
He has been a.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Great coach with the Chiefs with a strategy that, yeah,
we'll go for fourth down once in a while, but
if we're two scores down, we're gonna pull within one score.
If we had the ball in our own territory or
their forty yard line and we can't kick a fifty
eight yard field goal because of the weather, whatever, let's
punt the ball and let Steve Spagnola's defense go. His
philosophy made people upset, maybe, but it was a core
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philosophy that was predictable and everyone in the building knew what.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
The strategy was. I don't know what the strategy is now, Danny. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
I mean, they'll go for fourth down in their own territory.
They'll stall out the game like this. I think that
I don't know what switch flipped for Andy. About a
third of the way to half of the way through
the season, he became a modern let's go for fourth
down guy, and it's just been just a little surprising
to me that they just.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Don't believe in the way they're going to do things.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
And now I think they got a lot of questions
to ask, you know, obviously a ton of questions about
everything on this football team and organization of where they
want to go in the future.
Speaker 7 (23:17):
Not a disaster, just where do you want to go?
This is one of the things, Danny, that I want.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
To see, Like, what is the philosophy you're going to
use to manage this game? To try to stall the
game out with five minutes left and score it just
the right time made no sense to me either.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We've got plenty of time to talk about the mindset
of the Chiefs over the last three weeks and the
future of the Chiefs, so let's save that for another day.
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just a little bit standard, just as a quick note.
You know, great pageantry standalone game. Generally the Army Navy
game is very fun to watch, and boy, they've got
some really cool helmets now for those two teams too.
But the end of that game was crazy quarterbacks fumbling,
recovering their own fumble, and in the end Navy wins.
That that was a fun football game.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
It really was.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
So often you make it out to be a fun
football game because it's usually even you know, it's different football.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, they used to be both. They used to be
both terrible.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Yeah, but they both to play the same style with
the same kind of kids. They get trade uniforms and
we wouldn't even notice it. You know, there's a lot
of things about it. And then you have national pride. Hey,
you kind of have a little tear running down your
your cheek in the fact that football season's over.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
For college, right, and you got like, I want to
I want to watch this game.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
So yeah, it's always been compelling and maybe overvalued in
a sense from a football perspective, But this game lived
up to any hype you want to have on it, Danny.
That fourth quarter was absolutely incredible. And if you haven't
seen it and you want to go back to YouTube
or whatever, I'm telling you you don't need all these
other comments that I just mentioned to value. This is
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about football, right, Okay, when when Army has a lead
and they're the underdog, but they've controlled the game, they
have the lead, and Navy's making a push to come
back and win the game, you can't tell who's going
to win the game, right, And you really can't tell
who's going to win the game. And here comes Navy
down the field and then they basically try a push
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push a touchdown run. So you're saying, Okay, that's great,
except for the ball really never gets to the quarterback.
If you didn't see this game, the ball squirts away
from the quarterback and center and falls because of an
Army player, okay, Army linebacker. I did Army games this year, Danny.
I did a game and I studied him so.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Closely, and I told you how the linebackers are great,
and we're fifty three and number fifty one. They're great.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
So the guy dies over the pole punches the ball out,
but he doesn't know he's punched the ball out.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
He just tries the ball.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Squirts out and sitting on the field away from the
rugby scrum. So everyone's pushing the running backs, pushing the quarterback.
The quarterback is probably the only guy that goes, hey,
I don't have the ball, but you can't tell. And
all of a sudden, the opponent, the Army guy, sees
the ball laying at the one or two yard line
over to the side, and so he goes to grab
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it and scoop it and run, and so has he
grabs it, he takes a step or a half a step,
and it is I can't be it.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
Navy blew the chance? Are you kidding me? What a
great play?
Speaker 6 (29:03):
And then a Navy player who's on the ground reaches
out and takes one last whack yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
To say I don't want you to run for a.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Touchdown, and he knocks the ball loose and they get
it back right.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
One star player knocked it out and the other star
player actually recovered it.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
At the end, another guy comes running around.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
A wide receiver comes and saves a day, but they
lose yardage, so they're no longer at the goal line.
Then the quarterback gets sacked, so now you're inches from
the goal line, pushing it for a touchdown, and now
you're a non passing team back outside the ten yard line. Okay,
so you're going, oh, Navy, you're gonna have to settle
for a field goal, but you're down by six and
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you don't know how if you're going to get the
ball back.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
And all this stuff. So they go get sacked.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Now it's fourth down and the world's turned upside down
because they decide not to kick a field goal to
pull within three.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
We got to go for fourth down.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Then they throw a perfect pass over the middle like
they're Patrick Mahomes, you know, throwing to Travis Kelsey.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Touchdown on fourth down and you gotta go. You gotta
be kidding me.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
And then trying to run out the clock, the quarterback
runs gets hit again beautifully.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
By one of those linebackers.
Speaker 6 (30:19):
The ball pops up into it above his head, but
a foot and a half two feet above his head
as he's being tackled, he looks up somehow grabs the
ball as he's falling down and loses the ball as
he comes to the ground.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
They get the turnover.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Armies got the ball, but the instant replay shows that
he literally was down right and they win the game.
So two quarterback fumbles if your Army. They did not
sleep that night. I mean they had two fumbles caused
at critical points and somehow didn't get either one of them.
It is a miracle. It is so unlucky for them.
But yeah, great game. It was everything. And let me
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give me a shout out to Gary Danielson. Yeah, an
old corpse. I think he's a brilliant broadcaster. He did
SEC forever with Verne Lundquist and now they lost that
package to ESPN, so at CBS, he's been doing big
ten games. I don't know how much people followed him
as a guy. You know you hear Kirk herb Street
(31:16):
so much more. But Gary Danielson was the best color
analyst in college football for the last.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
Fifteen twenty years. That was his last game.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
He loves Army, Navy and appreciation, So I just want
to say shout out. I don't know what you think, Danny.
I know you listen to broadcasters, but I love the
way that guy broadcast games.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
And thanks for a great career.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Another kind of tip of the hat thing, well not
tip of the hat, just a warm feeling at the holidays.
Your son is coming to K State, coming back to
K State to coach. That's official now Stanton will be
the special teams coach. It's going to be very exciting
for you.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
And it's such a weird situation because, out of thirty
nine years of broadcasting K State football games, other than
my sons Stanton and Landry player, I'm closest to as
a friendship as a grown up friendship is Colin Klin.
So it's almost like he's my nephew or something, if
that makes sense, Danny.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Because if a K State football.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
Player became the new head coach at K State, I
would have all kinds of warm feelings and stories and
fun ways of building this up, of saying I'm so.
Speaker 7 (32:18):
Glad he's back home. What's completely different with that?
Speaker 6 (32:21):
And Colin, I mean, he truly is the closest to
me of all the football players throughout the time. He
is truly a friend of mine and even a better
friend of my son. Stanton and his brother is great
friends with stan. So first of all, I want to
say my appreciation for seeing Colin Psycho back and actually
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get a chance to be the.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
Head coach at k State. Is off the charts, just
off the charts.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
Then you add times five because he and Stanton are
both back. So from a personal standpoint, Stanton married Natalie.
She's a South Carolina grad. He met her when he
was with coach Beemer out South Carolina, got married and
so she's been really great. We like her a lot,
but she hasn't really lived around us very much, so
we get a great introduction to what it's like to
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be around her and family all the time. She's going
to get the great introduction of all the great things
she's heard about k State.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
So yeah, too good to be true.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
The most importantly, Danny, there's a cold blooded practical side
as you know that no matter where Stanton coaches or
calling coaches, I'm going to be rooting for k State
and doing their games right.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
So I want what's best for KSE State. So if
you said, hey, a couple of my best friends are
going to be coaching a k state, I'd say.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Oh crap, we're in so much trouble. My friends, they
can't do this. You know, it's not about friendship. I
really believe in Colin Klin. I really believe in him,
and fortunately, I really believe in Stanton because you've been
around me and our family enough that the last thing
I'd want is you patting me on the back about
how much fun this is. And I know Stam's going
to completely fail because he's in over his head. You know,
I'm going to appreciate him as a human being and
(33:57):
love him just as much. If he's the Washbird Special
Teams coordinator, you know, if that's his if that's his
best ability, fine let's go.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
So I do not want to see him.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Get promoted into failure, especially for my team at our school.
You know. So what's good, Danny is there's no guarantee
because it's hard to win no guarantees.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
Collin's never been a head coach. I get that. But
I totally.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Believe in Collin and Stanton individually and together. So I
am excited I can talk to you about all the fun,
exciting things for my family because the core thing is
how they coach for k State, and I really have
enough confidence that they're ready for if they're young. They're
in their thirties, but I've seen some great Oklahoma coaches.
Remember how Oklahoma every time hired a young coach in
(34:44):
their thirties, And I think about the days when Bill
Snyder came.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
He's a little bit older, but it's.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
His first head coaching job, and he brought guys like
Bob Stoops and Jim Levitt and Mark Mangino. Venables went
through there. You know, I can I have an appreciation
for when you got real talent and enthusiasm, understanding of
the goals, teamwork and energy off the charts that things
(35:09):
can work out really well. Kind of reminds me of
those days they're in over their head a little bit
in age an experience about being a head coach for Colin,
But otherwise I feel really good that they are going
to do the work that we're going to be proud
of from a Case State perspective. So I am happy
about that, and therefore it'll be fun to have Stanton
around a lot more.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Heisman Trophy was announced it you know, with each pat
I think the Heisman Trophy sort of had a sort
of an uptick of the last few years after you know,
it was the biggest thing in the world for a
while and then it was sort of like, Okay, the
Heisman Trophy whatever, and now I think has had a
little bit of a renaissance. But it's nice when there
are stories like Mendoza winning the Heisman Trophy a tremendous
(35:50):
season for Indiana, but almost a team award because they
were so good this year. To me, there was no
player who was more important to his team than Diego Pavia.
I'll say that, but he was the runner and it
wasn't really close as far as the voters were concerned.
But a cool story in either.
Speaker 7 (36:05):
Case, that's well said.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
I think in either case is good, and I like
how you said there's an uptick. I think one of
the things that the Heisman Trophy Trust did that they
needed to do was take ESPN's juice away from their trophy.
It wasn't that long ago that every voter who works
for ESPN would be telling you what they voted, you know,
(36:28):
three weeks before what they were going to do, and
then before the actual announcement of the Heisman Trophy when
the official ballots were in the Monday before the Saturday
it's announced, Danny, my computer, It's really easy to do
now we don't have the mail in ballots and that
kind of thing they ESPN was just blowing it up
by everybody, you know, such a good sample size was
(36:48):
telling us how they voted, and it became an afterthought
the Heisman trust.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
I'm a Heisman Trophy voter and have been for I
don't know, Danny, close to twenty five years now.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
So I love the fact that they said you signed
something to say you will not disclose how you voted
until the.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
Results come out on Saturday night.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
So if you would have asked me this last week, hey,
you put your vote in already, haven't you, I would
have said yes, and you said how did you vote?
Speaker 7 (37:12):
And I would have said, I can't tell you. I'm
not going to do it.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
I signed a document and said I'll keep it quiet.
So I think they added a little more juice to
the announcement. And as usual, Danny, you are right on
the mindset of where I am. I voted Diego Pavia
number one on my Heisman Trophy ballots.
Speaker 7 (37:30):
I think what he.
Speaker 6 (37:31):
Did transforming Vanderbilt into a winning program really on his
shoulders much more than the whole team. In my opinion
that I thought that even this year, what he did
was outrageous, playing in the SEC and the record they
had and the wins they had, like being a good
Missouri team or whatever. So I voted him number one
(37:53):
in Mendoza number two. It was hard. It was hard,
and I felt no nothing but joy when it was announced.
When I saw it announced, I just go, great, this
is awesome. Either one of these stories is really good.
How humble these guys are, how hard they work. The
message for college football, youth football, the youth of America,
(38:14):
the old people of America to hear these guys speak
about not being given the Golden spoon when they were
twelve years old, and money and five star and that's
all it took. And you know, just great athleticism. It
really took their teammates, all the coaches and supporters, their confidence,
their self worth, you know, all these things that are
(38:35):
so important. Danny.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
I'm really into mental health.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
I've been into mental health, not since you know, modern history,
in our last three or five or ten years. I
could tell when I was fifteen years old how important
mental health was. I respected the heck out of it.
So I'm a giant advocate for believing in yourself when
no one else does and just continue to grind and
hope good things are going to happen, and surround yourself
(38:59):
with good peace people. That's what these stories are about.
So it's so encouraging. There's there's thousands of kids out
there who have no chance of playing college football but
should really try hard for their high school team, Danny,
and they might do it because of these guys like, hey,
maybe I'll be a Heisman Trophy winner.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
So I'm second team right now. I don't care. I'm
going to keep trying. You know. Isn't that awesome? Great mess?
Right message?
Speaker 6 (39:22):
And they both are really good. They both are really
good football players. So really happy for him. I had
trouble going one and two. You're okay with my evaluation.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I would to pick probably too, Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 7 (39:35):
That's right. I can tell you now, Danny. That's right.
I went number one.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
There you go.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
We we've got time for the playoffs because it'll wait
for Stan's picks for that. Indiana is such a great story.
Now they have a Heisman Trophy winner, Stan, I have
I'm just gonna run this one by before we go.
I was thinking about this the other day when the
first Bowl game came on, and I'm like, I wonder
who's playing for these two teams and what they're now
to be? Not a heck of a game the Washington
Boise State game. So bull season underway, and what I
(40:02):
thought was well, in this day and age where we
have Niil and everything else, I bet a lot of
guys would show up for the ball game if you said,
the winning team gets three hundred thousand dollars to split
up and the losing team gets one hundred thousand dollars
to split up. How about that?
Speaker 7 (40:20):
I love it.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
I love it because we've just learned that the infection
of money is the only thing I should be thinking
about right now.
Speaker 7 (40:28):
Is very real.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
And these young guys haven't had a great career with
tons of money, So why wouldn't they value every dollar
you did in college?
Speaker 7 (40:36):
Danny?
Speaker 6 (40:37):
So yes, absolutely, because I remember back Danny, when you
and I were watching the Super bowls unfold, you know,
super Bowl five, super Bowl eight, super Bowl thirteen. There
used to be fifteen thousand to the winner each player
and seven thousand, five hundred to each loser, and those
players would talk about it after the game.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
You know, they wanted to win a ring and all.
Speaker 6 (40:58):
That stuff, But they are getting paid that much and
a lot of them have off season jobs as insurance
agents or something, right, and they really cared about having
fifteen thousand instead of seventy five hundred in that Super
Bowl game. So it has been in our lives proven
at a level as high as the NFL that that
would make a big difference if you could tell those
(41:20):
players it's the fourth quarter and we're down by seven,
or more importantly, it's a week before the game, and
they get us decide if they want to.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Hop that player or not. Yeah, that's the big part.
Speaker 7 (41:31):
Say hey, how would you like this amount of money?
Speaker 6 (41:33):
How would this field could practice three more times and
actually try in a game? How would you like to
get you know, whatever it is, ten thousand dollars or whatever. Yeah, yeah,
I'm a I'm all in, Danny, Absolutely, I think so,
I think that would matter.
Speaker 7 (41:50):
It sounds like that's the thing that's going to have
to do. It is just to say that there's a.
Speaker 6 (41:54):
Rainbow ending here, gold at the end of the rainbow.
So that kind of motivation needs to be done. I'm
hoping that the NIL contracts. I can't tell what's legal
and what's not in the new world, but I hope
that people write the contract to say you lose fifty
percent of your NIL money or your profit sharing money
if it's the school.
Speaker 7 (42:14):
If you don't play all the way through the end
of the season, ye put a penalty. Put a penalty
out there. If you say, I'm who cares I want
to play in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (42:21):
I'm not going to get hurt, find me or take
back my half of my NIL. There should be some
kind of monetary issue if you don't finish off your
job for what you're getting paid for, and that includes
the Bowl game.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Agreed. That's Stan Weber. We have a treat every week
talking football, and even though we won't be talking about
meaningful Chiefs games or Chiefs playoff games, still a lot
of football to be played. We'll talk to you again
next week. Stan, Thanks, Danny. Don't tell them the only
reason why I.
Speaker 7 (42:48):
Do is because you paid me money. I fix the
amount of money.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Stan knows better than that. Stan Weber and Danny and
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