September 12, 2025 • 41 mins
Danny checks in from the Baseball Hall of Fame, and weighs in on the museum, the Chiefs-Eagles rematch, the desperation Royals, College Football, trivia fun, and more. Enjoy!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Danny Clinkscale Reasonably irreverent podcast, insightful and
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
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two of the program. I'm your host, Jack Johnson Phillium
for cern Petro. Curtis Seabolt sitting across from me, so
is Kyle Collier. And as you heard right there, our
number two the three o'clock hours, beginning with Danny Clinkscale,
who's brought to you by Easton, but this time he's
coming to us from Cooperstown.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Danny, how are you.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I'm doing just great, sitting in office with my old
friend Bruce Marcuson who works here at the Baseball Hall
of Fame, A wonderful guy, and he was a good guy.
Well I was his boss, which is obviously a horror
show for anybody, But I just visited the museum for
about two and a half hours and it's wonderful place.
And their introductory film has been redone since the last
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time I was here, and it's just a wonderful day
to wallow in the lore of baseball. And I've been
here many many times. Back in the day, I did
the Baseball Hall of Fame game for eight years in
a row at the radio station, which is the reason
I am here. This weekend. They're having a reunion of
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Black River Broadcasting. I didn't even remember it was called that,
but it was WIBX Radio. I worked there in the
late eighties and early nineties, so that was the reason
for my trip. Visiting family, seen this beautiful countryside, and
just driving into the Baseball Hall of Fame is really
worth I mean, if you didn't like baseball at all,
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say you're a baseball fan and your wife doesn't care
about baseball, you could easily sell her on the fact
that it's one of No matter which way you come in,
it's one of the most beautiful drives that you can
ever experience, and so I can highly recommend the Baseball
Hall of Fame on multiple levels.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
The greenest trees I've ever seen in my life, on
the roads all around there, beautiful lake off to the east,
and by the way Bruce Marcus and not not only
Hall of Fame great and a great broadcaster, a great host,
is he you? John Dolittle, Jeremy Wood, myself all got
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to sleep at his house the first light we were there.
It was it was warm, but it was it was fantastic.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
George Brett's induction if you didn't say.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
That, Yeah, George bretton in ninety nine, and so Bruce's
was a great host and obviously very accomplished, and so
just wanted to toss that out there, one of the
more memorable weekends of my almost thirty years in this business.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yeah it was cool. It was extremely hot. But we're
here and we're close to the induction ceremony this time around,
and so there's a lot of audio visual stuff. The
Baseball of Fame just continues to evolve and improve, and
it's really a wonderful place. And there's a rotating film
about this year's inductees, which include a couple of guys
who are among my favorites Billy Wagner and Ichiro and
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of course Dave Parker and Dick Allen and CC Sabathia
or the other inunductee among the players. So pretty cool
times here at the Baseball Hall of Fame. But it's
a little quieter at this time of year. And actually
those guys were the ones who were inducted recently, and
the leaves are starting to change, so even more beautiful
than it ordinarily is.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
And a trip or a great trip, a treat for
somebody who like when we went there in ninety nine,
you really couldn't see the exhibits that much because there
were so many people. I always thought, I'd love to
come back here when it isn't Hall of Fame weekend,
so you're there at a great time that one only
is the weather nice, but you actually can have time
to go around and see everything and not feel like
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you're part of this massive onslaught.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Well, the thing is, you can do the Baseball Hall
of Fame however you like.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
I mean, you.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Literally could stay here for a week and go to
the Hall of Fame every day and have something to do,
or you can do what I did today and in
two and a half hours or so, you can really
have the full experience of it, just not you know,
wallowing in every film or you know, highlight reel or whatever,
or reading every plaque or reading every bit of information
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about Jeulish, Joe Jackson or whatever. So it's really it
can be done in multiple ways for sure.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Well, Danny, I feel i'd you were missed and not
asking you this, But is there anybody that you feel
belongs in the Hall of Fame that of course is
not there right now?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You know, I'm just looking at the guys who are
in this year, and nothing really pops into my head.
You know, if I saw a list of guys, I
might say, yeah, I think that guy that deserves to
be in, or that guy that deserves to be in.
But there's nothing that, you know, burns in me about
a particular person who is not in the Hall of Fame,
especially because one of the things I think is great
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about the Baseball Hall of Fame is that, unlike most
of the other sports, it's very difficult to get in.
So you know, it's a hall of fame. I mean,
you can be a very good ballplayer, and you know,
say somebody like I guess Lance Berkman or somebody like
that might be a good example of a player who
is a fine player, or you know, say Joe Carter
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or somebody like that, who you know, they're very good players,
but you know they don't probably or they don't to me,
rise to the level of the Hall of Fame. So
it is one of the things I think is great
about the Hall of Fame. And also there are other
ways for people who have been not recognized in the past,
like Dick Allen, to circle back and get back in
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with the Veterans Committee. So I think it's kept it
to a very high standard, which I think is good.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
We've talked about this a few times in the time
we've known each other. But where do you sit on
the bonds, those types of guys, Bonds, Maguire, the steroid guys.
Is it across the board rejection case?
Speaker 4 (06:25):
No, I am this is really kind of silly for
such a hot wire issue on a program or in
a segment that's called Unleashed. But I'm kind of agnostic
about it. I understand the people who won't vote for them,
the people who were especially egregious offenders like Bonds, But
I also understand the people who say, hey, they were
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operating under the rules of the time, and you know,
they were also operating in the same time where many
people were using performance enhancing drugs, so they had to
go against pitchers who are doing it, and so on
and so forth. So I understand both arguments, but you know,
I just know. I mean this specific example of Barry Bonds,
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who was a Hall of Fame caliber player anyway, but
he clearly, you know, got made himself that much better
with performance enhancing drugs. So I can totally see the
argument in that regard.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Also, he had nearly four hundred home runs before the
first season, in which people think he may have began
using steroids. So but someone like Rafael Palmerow probably owes
a lot more of his statistical greatness to steroids, and
someone like Bonds, he might be the one guy I
would separate from that list, but everyone has their own idea.
Doesn't matter that those guys are going.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
To go uns. Maybe the reason I would say that
he should be in the Hall of Fame is because
he was building a Hall of Fame resume anyway, and
if you take away the thirty percent increase or whatever
percentage you want to throw on it, he's a Hall
of Famer. I can see that aspect of it. But
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you know he knowingly did the I mean, it's just
he's such an outlying example because the physical characteristics, everything
about him, was so outsized about the way he did it.
Rafael Pomiro, you could hardly help the difference. You know,
it wasn't Mark Maguire. You could definitely tell the difference.
I mean people like that physically so uh, Like I said,
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it's weird, but I don't have a super strong.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Opinion on it. If you hadn't seen Bonds in like
ten years, you ran into me, be like, what the
hell happened to you?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Exactly what his question?
Speaker 5 (08:39):
What is going on? It also happened to your head.
I mean he's he's he's such a nice guy.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yes, yes, well he didn't. Yeah, he doesn't help himself
in that regard.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
And him and Bob Feller would have got along splendidly.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yeah, he wasn't a you know, he wasn't a good teammate.
He has his own big lounge chair, and there was
famous for all kinds of things that would not endear
him to be all people. But there's no denying and
some of even in a steroid, here are some of
the things he did. We're just out there.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
One to zero four stats are like video game stuff.
I mean there are things you look at and you're like,
that doesn't make sense. That didn't act, That couldn't have actually.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Happened, right, you know you if you tried to explain
it to somebody who didn't who I mean it maybe
even does understand baseball, but was just a sleep during
that period. You know the amount of walks and intentional
walks and all those kind of things. It's just, uh,
he truly remarkable.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
He'd get three pitches to hit a week and he hit.
He hit two of them in the seats.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
It's just ezactly to tie a little bit of the
Royals into this Danny while you're down there, I feel
a lot of people ask the question for Salvador Perez
not does he belong in the Hall of Fame? But
maybe what does he still need to do? And if
you believe there's no shot, I means he's going to
be thirty six next year. He would probably need to
play a couple more years and put up these numbers.
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Where do you stand on I mean, is Salvador Perez
need to have five, six, seven more great years or
do you feel that right now he only needs a
couple or is there no shot whatsoever?
Speaker 4 (10:05):
I think he's pretty close, you know, I could, I
can see you making a case that he's maybe already
done enough. You know, the numbers for catchers on the
whole are not that you know, they're not compared to
the great sluggers in the history of the game or whatever,
or the great batters. They're just not the same. They're
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in their own category. There's not probably as many catchers
in the Hall of Fame as there should be, So
I would say he's pretty close now, maybe he needs
to get to another milestone or two in order to
get people's attention. He played on a championship team. He
doesn't have that working against him. I'd say at the
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very least, I'd say he was about ninety percent of
the way, And it seemed like to me if he
wasn't going to get in an initial voting, and then
part of it's when you come up and the competition
you face when you come up, depending on the year
you were out, and if a couple three times he
I certainly think he would be the type of person
who would be under strong consideration for the Veterans Committee
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when that came around if he didn't get in on
the regular part of it.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Now, Curtis and I were discussing this right before you
came on, or I guess two segments ago, the Royals
one game over five hundred. They're five games back at Seattle.
I don't need to ask you. Do you feel like
they still have a chance to get in? The question
really is how should we summarize this season? Because for
those here, we know the Royals have not had competitive
baseball in September year and in year out. It's been
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very few times over the course of thirty forty years.
But you look at this team that certainly had expectation.
They were coming off a postseason appearance, they got to
the Alds, and now it's going to look like maybe
a year they finished five hundred, maybe a few games
above it, maybe a few games below it, but they
still were competitive for the entire season. Is it disappointing?
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Is it all right? Is it just average? How should
fans view this twenty twenty five ball club.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I don't think they should view it as a disappointment.
I can see there be various levels of being disappointed
dead but they had a lot of injuries to a
pitching staff at one point or another. Obviously, all five
of their starters have been on the disabled list, some
for considerable periods of time. I think the big biggest disappointment,
if you're looking at the arc of the season in
the standpoint of where it puts the Royals as far
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as as a franchise right now, is just the lack
of development of position players. And you know that is
riding right now on the back of Jack cagleone and
so then that hasn't been a success this year, and
then other people that they felt maybe could take a
step forward have not done. So that's been the thing
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that submarine this season, even more than the pitching, because
the pitching was quite good for a long time and
it hasn't even stumbled that badly. And now when the
Royals have faded away again into this position where you've
been winning, probably thirteen out of fifteen wouldn't get the
job done. Their offense went in the tank again. So
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I think that would be the disappointing part of it.
But if you're in it into the middle of September
and you know that priv you could decide when that
ended two days ago, not quite yet whatever, I don't
think you can look at the season as a disappointment.
You know that it would be I think something worthwhile
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to have a winning record and make it consecutive winning
seasons and have that to build on. If they, you know,
just fell apart here at the end even further and
finished four games under five hundred or something like that,
that might leave a sour taste.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You bring up Jack Caglean, and I know that for
the majority of this season. He was talked about when
he was in Northwest Arkansas, when he was in Omaha,
of course when he got to the big league club.
But he's probably going to finish this season hitting under
one seventy, which, no matter how you put it, it's
not a good season. Has the the shine of what
he could be worn off a little bit because numbers
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are numbers? Or are we able just to flush this
first year down the drain because he got called up
rather quickly, it was already with the struggling offense, and
the numbers weren't there. How do you approach this of
flush it it was bad, He'll be just fine. He'll
be on the opening day roster next year, or is it?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Man?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Maybe we really need to lower our expectations because of
that swing and miss.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I don't think it's time to do that yet, because
every you know, when he returned, if he had returned
to the minor leagues and been bad, you know, or
you know, not been as good, but he just went
down there and terrorized. So we know he's too good
for triple A, which means he's basically some kind of
a major leaguer, and he hasn't had that biggest ample
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size to decide that he's you know, is not gonna
it's not gonna work. I think next year, I think
he'll probably get a full season shot unless he's really
terrible again to be a big part of what the
roles are going to do. So I would say that
this is something that you need another dose of three
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hundred at bats or so next year before you can
start to make some real judgments. You know, yes he chases,
Yes they're swinging miss there, but certainly when somebody you know,
just absolutely massacres minor league. You know, the people who
are quadruple A players have proved it time after time
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because they've come up time after time and not hit.
And also when they go back down they're older. You know,
he's still a young player who's demolishing minor league pitching.
So I don't think the ship has sailed at all.
I wouldn't go in that direction whatsoever, Danny.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
One of the things I thought about going into the
offseason is Number One, you've got a rotation that has
nine to ten guys that could be making starts. I mean,
you know that Reagan's is going to be back, You
got logo the contract, Walk is under contract. Noah Cameron's
certainly going to be there, and then you've got Chris Mubich,
Ryan Berger, Steven Cohlick. Is this maybe an off season
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because you need that middle of the order bat where
you look into moving one of those younger guys. I mean,
Chris Mubich was phenomenal for this team this year and
then he just kind of ran out of gas and
got hurt. And we know that he's going to be
a free agent in twenty twenty seven. So because you
have this emergence of Ryan Berger and Steven Kohlick and
you just acquired him, is this maybe an off season
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where if it doesn't match up in free agency, that's
the type of move you make, and maybe moving at
Chris Bubich because you have these abundance of arms to
go get that big time bat.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Well, I think it'd be a terrible time to trade
Chris Boubach because you're probably coming off an injury, not
going to get value for him. And we've seen that
there is no such thing as a surplus of starting
pitching in the major leagues these days. You know, the
way they pitch, the spin rates, the full max effort.
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Although the pictures the a couple of the pictures of
the roads have don't fault necessarily into that category, but
still manage to get hurt. So yes, I could see
them packaging a couple of people maybe in trying to
but I don't think you're going to get a middle
of the order bat for anybody right now. And you know,
unless you've traded Chris Bubach and somebody else, you know,
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one of the San Diego pitchers or somebody like that,
maybe somebody who would say, okay, we're going to get
a tried and you know, seemingly reliable piece of art
of our rotation and Burger or or Colic, and then
we are, you know, betting on the return of Chris
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Bubach to be healthy. And I don't think as effective
as he was, but effective starter. So maybe that as possible,
but it's hard to get middle of the order bats.
I mean, the best way if you're not going to
spend big dollars is develop developing them, and that's why
Jack Kegley on is so important.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
And the other thing, I think, no Cameron, that this
doesn't quite apply to him as much as it does
to someone like Murger or Colic. The book is still
being written by Major League Baseball on those two guys,
So it's nice that we've seen what we've seen from them,
but we don't know that what they're going to be yet.
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It's a good start, but there's still a long time
for people to figure out where the holes are, what
they can and can't can't do. So I think I
would I tend to temper my a little bit my
optimism for those two guys. In particular. Cameron's been up
for a while and he seems to be able to
have made the adjustments, and they've made adjustments to him,
and he's made adjustments probably back the other direction. I
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think you feel pretty good about what he's going to be.
The other two, I think you're still kind of a mystery.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah. I think Cameron's an interesting piece because I think
he's somebody that is possibly someone who's going to be
a very good pitcher for you for a while. But
for instance, he to me wouldn't be as attractive to
other teams right now because he doesn't have the eye
popping stuff and perhaps other teams would think, you know,
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sooner or later, people are going to figure this guy out.
There are many many fine pitchers who do not have
eye popping stuff as starters, and maybe he will be
one of them. And so I think he's more valuable
as a Royal now than on the market.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
One more for me, Danny, that we can take a
quick break. You know that, you know, the top of
the list here, the priority list for the Royals in
the offseason will be an outfield bat, a corner outfield bat,
somebody that can move the needle in the middle of
the order. But if you had to put number two
and number three what they have to go out there
and get, what would it be?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I think that's it. You know, they're they're pretty set
around the infield. Their catching situation looks pretty good, you know,
with depth and who they have and you know a
little bit of Salvador Perez still left as a catcher.
So I think that is the priority. You might say more,
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maybe a hard throwing reliever or two. Their bullpen has
been pretty good but is not filled up with what
you see on most teams. Now that you know, every
guy who comes out of the bullpen has thrown gas,
So maybe that would be something that would be a
good number two because yes, the outfield bad is clearing,
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but you've had a third basement who's had an excellent season.
You got Bubby Whit junior second base. You probably are
still thinking that Jonathan India can be what you traded
for him. And then of course you know Vinny Pasconcino's
just turned into a standout, so I think, and they
do have pitching depth based on what's coming back. I
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don't think you can count really certifiably on Cole Reagan's
after all these surgeries, but even if he does not
return to what he was, they get a lot there
to work with.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Royals will be beginning a three game series tonight in Philadelphia,
who's coming off of a four game sweep of the
New York Mets. We'll take our first break here in
our number two. When we come back, Let's talk some
chiefs in Eagles with Danny right here on the program
on Sports Radio eight ten whb.
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Speaker 5 (22:13):
All right, Time for the Nick and Jakes end of
the hour. Answer what batter picture combo faced each other
the most times? And since these guys are both Hall
of famers and Danny's at the Hall of Fame, Danny
you want to take a swing at this, we'll have
to pull him up on the phone. Always already you
repeat that again? You were distracted by the who.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I was?
Speaker 5 (22:39):
What batter picture combo faced each other the most times?
Two hundred and sixty six plate appearances? How about receiver.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
No, how about Robin Roberts sank Aaron.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Hm, Nope, that's a good one. Actually, there's a guy
that Aaron has faced more than Robin R. Roberts. Aaron
faced Don Drysdale two hundred and forty nine times. That's
the second most.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Is it Aaron?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Nope? It is Pete Rose and Phil nicro two hundred
and sixty six played up here.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
That makes sense.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Third most Ty Cobb and Walter Johnson at two forty three.
But I think some people who think that number might
be low, and you know, the incomplete the game by
game records and batter versus pitcher from the early part
of the twentieth century maybe not completely reliable, but the
official numbers, at least on Baseball Reference Rose v Neicro
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to sixty six is the most.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
That's cool. I like that, well, Danny, even though I
saw me some Phil Negro today during the film.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Well, even though you're down there, or I should say,
out there, out there, let's Kevin Cooper's down We do
want to talk some NFL Chiefs and Eagles three twenty five,
This Sunday, big big showdown, as much as a Week
two game can be a big big showdown, but the
Chiefs likely going to be without Xavier Worthy. Andy Reid
spoke on that a little bit earlier this morning. We
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know where she Rice is not going to be there. Danny,
what's your confidence level right now? For the Chiefs to
find a way to get back in the win column
and go to five hundred two games into the season.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
It's weird. I think my confidence level is pretty good,
but the Chiefs didn't show me anything in Week one
to make me feel that way. I think the most ironic,
kind of maybe disappointing things I don't know about Andy
Reid's postgame comments was that he's usually not so negative,
was pretty forthright about the fact that he didn't like
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the fact that his team came out so flat. Well,
it's been happening for two years now. They just don't lose.
They just hadn't been losing when they did it. I
mean the last couple of years. The time after time
they've come out in games without a lot of sizzle
and gotten behind or let an inferior opponent hang around.
This wasn't new. Maybe they extended through the whole game,
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but I think more to the point was the fact
that they lost so he's more upset about it. But
this is not like wow, all of a sudden, the Chiefs.
Usually they come out breathing fire every way. That's just
not the case. And now maybe this was a you know,
double wake up call. And then the fact is they
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had to sit there and watch the Super Bowl film
all week, and you know, if they can't come out
like with their hair on fire in this game, I
don't know where it's ever going to happen. And now
I guess the question is will that be enough? Is
that you know, the Eagles didn't I think probably weren't
even that thrilled with the way they played. They won,
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but I don't think they played their a game in
the first game, so you would think that they probably
would be more on point two. But with the home
field and the fact that they lost and staring at
zero and two, I guess I'm leaning towards the Chiefs,
and certainly the fact that they're a slight underdog, and
I you know, if I was betting money, I've probably
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lean to them even more. I guess they have shaky
confidence in the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Well that what we just you just talked about is
is one of the reasons. Why are some of the
reasons why I think last week is so inexplicable and
why this week I think is such a litmus test
on where this team is and where they can go.
I said this last last hour, you know, everything from
from February to opening night, was about getting that loss
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out of their minds, you know, getting the taste out
of their mouth, regaining their swag, and proving that we're
still the team to beat. And the very first opportunity
they had to prove that was correct, they laid an
egg against the team that they've routinely beaten, and that
was inexplicable. And which makes this week is the dynamics
you just talked about even more important when this week
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and that, you know, this week kind of fades away
a little bit and you've vanquished the one ghost that
you've gotten, you know, over your shoulder if you beat
the Eagles, particularly if you beat them somewhat handily. I
can't remember a time where this early in the season
there's been a bigger gap between what they could have
coming out of this game and what and the on
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the plus and on the minus. I think there's a
chasm between winning and losing as far as how that
plays out the rest of the year, you agree, Oh.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
I completely agree. I mean basically, if they I don't
care if they win by a lot or a little.
If they beat the Eagles, then all as well. I
think that you have plenty of evidence the Chiefs are
you going to be a good team this year? And
they will have gone out and shown it against the Eagles.
You lose, they've got a rough schedule, and especially early,
you're looking at a season that be going sideways. You
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know that's but that's still seems like a stretch when
you're talking about a Chiefs team that's been excellent, well
excellent most of the time under Andy Reid, but extra
excellent to the last six or seven years. So yes,
there's a massive difference in what a winner or loss
would And frankly, I don't even care. If it was
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a hard fought game and they lost, it's still bad.
I mean, it would show that you know that they've
you know, maybe they lose in a last second field goal.
It's a great game. Both teams play at a high level.
They're on't turnovers. I guess if you're a fan, you
could sit there and say, well, we're Okay, we just
have you know, we had one stinker and one real
good game and row and two. We can bounce back.
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I mean, they did have a season under any Reid
where they started one and five and made the playoffs,
I think, but two and five maybe, but still it's
you know, you've got tough games in the next ten
full of games. Still, so it's huge.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
If Juwan Taylor has another game on Sunday where he's
penalized four to five times and let's say three of
them or legal formation another one's false start. Is this
a game I think he might, which he might, It's
certainly possible. Is this a game maybe where you roll
the dice and put Jalen Moore in at right tackle?
(29:13):
We saw him two years ago in Juwan Taylor's first
season with Kansas City. He got benched in Week two
against Jacksonville. They had to make that move because he
was getting penalized way too often and setting back multiple drives.
Can you do that against the defensive line in Eagles defense?
Speaker 5 (29:27):
This good?
Speaker 4 (29:30):
I don't think they'll make a move during the game.
You know, I think they've shown that they have a
lot of patients, but they have a fifteen million dollar
backup sitting there, so I don't think they would trigger
during the game, but we've seen it happen. It strikes
me that they would have more patience with him than
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they did, you know, with the rookie last year. So Kingsley,
I still don't dare on the radio to try to
say his name.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Right, so everyone knows.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Everybody's worked on it more than me, and I don't
Kingsley is fined by me. But you know, I think
along the offensive line, we get to another test. Even
though they've had some personnel losses, the Eagles have a
strong defensive line, and I don't think Kingsley was particularly good.
He was okay in the first game at guard. But
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I think that they you know, that they've got it,
but they do have somebody who they paid a lot
of money to to back up these positions. So I
would think they'd take a chance of looking at them,
and especially if it's is what you said, the mistakes aspect,
because clearly if he continues to do that, he's just
not going to learn, you know. So it's not like,
(30:45):
well he'll clean to you the parlance of Andy Reid,
well well we'll clean that up. Well, the guys had
years to clean it up and he hadn't done it.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
How much longer do you think they can go without
any form of a rushing attack or are we being
too dramatic? Think about the performance in Week one with
Mahomes being the leading rusher and also had the most
carries in the game.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
I think in the current NFL, where teams seem to
have figured out more and more how to not gett
just obliterated by the pass game, and that teams have
counted that by leaning more on the running game than
they did for a five, six seven year span. I
think it's a true weakness for the Chiefs, which they've
done little to try and address. I guess, you know,
(31:29):
you could say they went out and got Elijah Mitchell,
but I think it was telling that he made the
team when everybody thought he was terrible all through camp.
So you clearly don't have much there. I don't have
a heck of a lot of confidence on Isaiah Pacheco.
I think he's more flash than Dash I always have,
you know, because he's bouncy and jumps all around, you know,
after a good play. I think the Chiefs fans, you know,
(31:52):
he's likable. He's likable in that regard, but production wise,
and I don't think there's that much there. So yeah,
I think it's a weakness. And what it does, again
is put them in a position where they're just relying
on Patrick Mahomes so much. I mean, Mahomes. If Mahomes
had played, you know, just a standard football game last week,
they would have get murdered. I mean, he's saved the
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Bacon from it being just an embarrassment. He was the
only guy out there, and they can't continue to do that.
First of all, it's not good from a perfection standpoint. Secondly,
he's going to get hurt. So no, I think it's bad.
But you're in the season, now, what are you going
to do. You're not going to get anybody. So it
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seems like it's something they're going to have to play
around that's not necessarily a good thing.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Well, Danny, the defense in Brazil was beyond poor. They
weren't able to get to Justin Herbert at all. They
weren't able to slow down anybody over the middle of
the field. Seemed like a really soft zone. Do you
see a turned up defense, a much better defense on
Sunday or is this just too good of an offense
they're going to be going up against and they're going
to be able to get points even if they do
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come out with their hair on fire.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
I think the Chiefs are going to have to score.
This game is not going to be won seventeen to
fourteen or nineteen to seventeen. I don't see that at all.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
I think the.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Chiefs probably have to get at or near thirty to
win this game. So no, I don't expect the defense
to be markedly better. They could. They could be okay
and give up twenty three or something like that, but
it is shut down defense day in the National Football League.
Generally touch something we see much of anymore. Their secondary
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didn't look particularly good, but it's it's something that's been
generally an issue for the Chiefs for a while now,
as lack of pressure on the quarterback. Even when some
individuals seem to get enough of a statistical punch to
you know, like George carlottis he looks like a good player,
(33:56):
he gets some sacks. He was rewarded with the contract.
But it does add up as a team to great
pressure on the opponents without blitzing, and that just exposes you. Now,
thankfully they have a really, really good defensive coordinator who
probably feels a little embarrassed himself. He developed a game
plan that was based on the fact that he thought
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the Chargers were going to come out and try to
run the ball down the Chief's throat, and then all
they did was throw, throw, throw, and the Chiefs did
no answer for it. They were caught with their pants down.
So this game is intriguing on so many levels, and
certainly the defensive side of the ball. And you know,
I just don't think they've you know, they've done a
remarkable job of taking a bunch of guys named Joe
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and maybe one star player in the secondary and making
it work. You know. That's that's but you know, sooner
or later you're going to have a year maybe like
this one. I don't know when the secondary just isn't
very good. And we saw some signs of that in
the first game.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Yeah, there was a bad combination. One justin Herbert could
have played the entire game and a tank top in shorts.
That's probably a problem. But when you can't get anyone
after him, you've got to send guys to be Okay,
if you could cover, but the safeties looked like they
didn't know what was going on half the time. And
at the horrible combination and we saw wide open high school,
(35:16):
wide open receivers all night that they they do that
again this week. The Eagles can name their score.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Right and the Eagles. You know, the last time the
Chiefs played the Eagles, they made of ried a priority
on stopping Saquon Barkley, and they did basically, but it
didn't do any good. And you know, there's a guy
running the show in Philadelphia who can make you pay
for ganging up against the run. Then maybe they'll say, well,
you know, that wasn't such a great status strategy. They
(35:44):
unloaded on us even though we did that. So let's
tilt our game plan more away from so much emphasis
on Saquon Barkley. And then he goes for one fifty.
So there's a real conundrum there.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
As much as people talk about Reeda Mahomes, Siriani and
herts have have gotten it done. He may be a Yahoo,
but that combination has been to two Super Bowls and
have won a trophy. So they're to be reckoned with.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Yes, yeah, and they've got a lot of answers they've
got good offensive line play, you know they, and they
continually seek out and add pieces and spend money. So
they're willing to spend some of their own money to
bring in veterans and take a flyer on guys, but
acquire reasonably young players for draft capital, as they've already
(36:30):
done this season. So they're you know, they are looking
right now as if they've taken the mantle away from
the Chiefs as the class organization in the league.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Chiefs and Eagles at three point twenty five this Sunday,
we'll take a quick break. You're listening to the program
on Sports Radio eight ten WHB.
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Ready eight ten WHB. I'm your host, Jack Johnson, Phillin
invers Rend Petro, Curtis Seabolt here, Kyle Callier as well.
Big game in Tucson tonight, Kansas State will take their
one and two record on the road for their first
true road game of the season. They will take on
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an undefeated Arizona Wildcats team. Danny, how do you see
this one playing out? And if can the State were
to fall short in this game? It's not a conference game.
But what more can you say about this season for
Kansas State, a season that a lot of fans probably
expected nine to ten wins out of Well, first of.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
All, you mentioned Arizona. They've looked awful good in their
first two games and it just absolutely wiped out their
two opponents. And they weren't both terrible opponents in Kansas
State has not looked good in any of their three games.
I mean, but it has been a narrative that Chris
Cleman has got his team to improve as the season
has gone along. But Curtis talked before about the giant
(38:35):
chasm between a Chiefs win and a Chiefs loss. The
same deal in this game for the Cats. I mean, yes,
it's not it doesn't count as a conference game. Obviously,
it was scheduled before Arizona went to the conference, but
not only did. It's not just that they've lost two
out of three games and barely lost barely won the
(38:58):
other one. It's how they've looked doing it. So seems
like maybe they've got more holes than we figured going in.
And you know, their offensive line play hasn't been particularly
good and defense obviously has been problematic. But you know,
from people you know close to Kansas State, feel like
(39:18):
it's just been sort of an you know, tiny mistakes
here and there. It's not like guys are playing a
you know, an entirely bad game. They'll just make a
mistake at just the wrong time. Well it's easy to
say unless it keeps happening. So I don't feel great
about their chances in this game. I don't think you know,
it's not going to be an electric atmosphere, it's not
going to be a South East Conference game, but it's
(39:38):
still a Friday night game, you know, for a team
whose fan base has seen them go to and oh
and you know it's not going to be one hundred
million degrees and at night, so that that'll help the
fans get out there and be all oiled up. So
that's that's going to be tough. I would lean toward
Arizona in this game. And then you've got a whole
(40:00):
lot of questions about the Kansas state. But you know,
Chris Climban is clearly playing some mind games with his team,
or mind games in the right way by you know,
he made a big point after they the last game
when they got beat of saying, you know, I'm proud
of these guys. Well that's what you kind of do,
I think when you feel like your team's really, you know,
(40:22):
just a wounded animal and that you know jumping on
him is going to be the exact wrong thing to do.
So this will be a real interesting peak into what
you know. But like you say, you can't straighten things
out in the conference season. Will be unto itself, but
you can't like what their chances will be from just
(40:44):
a performance standpoint if they don't win this game.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Danny, appreciate your time. Thanks for robbing on all.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
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coming to us from Cooperstown.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Danny, how are you.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I'm doing just great, sitting in office with my old
friend Bruce Marcuson who works here at the Baseball Hall
of Fame, A wonderful guy, and he was a good guy.
Well I was his boss, which is obviously a horror
show for anybody, But I just visited the museum for
about two and a half hours and it's wonderful place.
And their introductory film has been redone since the last
(01:23):
time I was here, and it's just a wonderful day
to wallow in the lore of baseball. And I've been
here many many times. Back in the day, I did
the Baseball Hall of Fame game for eight years in
a row at the radio station, which is the reason
I am here. This weekend. They're having a reunion of
(01:44):
Black River Broadcasting. I didn't even remember it was called that,
but it was WIBX Radio. I worked there in the
late eighties and early nineties, so that was the reason
for my trip. Visiting family, seen this beautiful countryside, and
just driving into the Baseball Hall of Fame is really
worth I mean, if you didn't like baseball at all,
(02:05):
say you're a baseball fan and your wife doesn't care
about baseball, you could easily sell her on the fact
that it's one of No matter which way you come in,
it's one of the most beautiful drives that you can
ever experience, and so I can highly recommend the Baseball
Hall of Fame on multiple levels.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
The greenest trees I've ever seen in my life, on
the roads all around there, beautiful lake off to the east,
and by the way Bruce Marcus and not not only
Hall of Fame great and a great broadcaster, a great host,
is he you? John Dolittle, Jeremy Wood, myself all got
(02:42):
to sleep at his house the first light we were there.
It was it was warm, but it was it was fantastic.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
George Brett's induction if you didn't say.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
That, Yeah, George bretton in ninety nine, and so Bruce's
was a great host and obviously very accomplished, and so
just wanted to toss that out there, one of the
more memorable weekends of my almost thirty years in this business.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yeah it was cool. It was extremely hot. But we're
here and we're close to the induction ceremony this time around,
and so there's a lot of audio visual stuff. The
Baseball of Fame just continues to evolve and improve, and
it's really a wonderful place. And there's a rotating film
about this year's inductees, which include a couple of guys
who are among my favorites Billy Wagner and Ichiro and
(03:31):
of course Dave Parker and Dick Allen and CC Sabathia
or the other inunductee among the players. So pretty cool
times here at the Baseball Hall of Fame. But it's
a little quieter at this time of year. And actually
those guys were the ones who were inducted recently, and
the leaves are starting to change, so even more beautiful
than it ordinarily is.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
And a trip or a great trip, a treat for
somebody who like when we went there in ninety nine,
you really couldn't see the exhibits that much because there
were so many people. I always thought, I'd love to
come back here when it isn't Hall of Fame weekend,
so you're there at a great time that one only
is the weather nice, but you actually can have time
to go around and see everything and not feel like
(04:11):
you're part of this massive onslaught.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Well, the thing is, you can do the Baseball Hall
of Fame however you like.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
I mean, you.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Literally could stay here for a week and go to
the Hall of Fame every day and have something to do,
or you can do what I did today and in
two and a half hours or so, you can really
have the full experience of it, just not you know,
wallowing in every film or you know, highlight reel or whatever,
or reading every plaque or reading every bit of information
(04:40):
about Jeulish, Joe Jackson or whatever. So it's really it
can be done in multiple ways for sure.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Well, Danny, I feel i'd you were missed and not
asking you this, But is there anybody that you feel
belongs in the Hall of Fame that of course is
not there right now?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You know, I'm just looking at the guys who are
in this year, and nothing really pops into my head.
You know, if I saw a list of guys, I
might say, yeah, I think that guy that deserves to
be in, or that guy that deserves to be in.
But there's nothing that, you know, burns in me about
a particular person who is not in the Hall of Fame,
especially because one of the things I think is great
(05:22):
about the Baseball Hall of Fame is that, unlike most
of the other sports, it's very difficult to get in.
So you know, it's a hall of fame. I mean,
you can be a very good ballplayer, and you know,
say somebody like I guess Lance Berkman or somebody like
that might be a good example of a player who
is a fine player, or you know, say Joe Carter
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or somebody like that, who you know, they're very good players,
but you know they don't probably or they don't to me,
rise to the level of the Hall of Fame. So
it is one of the things I think is great
about the Hall of Fame. And also there are other
ways for people who have been not recognized in the past,
like Dick Allen, to circle back and get back in
(06:05):
with the Veterans Committee. So I think it's kept it
to a very high standard, which I think is good.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
We've talked about this a few times in the time
we've known each other. But where do you sit on
the bonds, those types of guys, Bonds, Maguire, the steroid guys.
Is it across the board rejection case?
Speaker 4 (06:25):
No, I am this is really kind of silly for
such a hot wire issue on a program or in
a segment that's called Unleashed. But I'm kind of agnostic
about it. I understand the people who won't vote for them,
the people who were especially egregious offenders like Bonds, But
I also understand the people who say, hey, they were
(06:49):
operating under the rules of the time, and you know,
they were also operating in the same time where many
people were using performance enhancing drugs, so they had to
go against pitchers who are doing it, and so on
and so forth. So I understand both arguments, but you know,
I just know. I mean this specific example of Barry Bonds,
(07:11):
who was a Hall of Fame caliber player anyway, but
he clearly, you know, got made himself that much better
with performance enhancing drugs. So I can totally see the
argument in that regard.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Also, he had nearly four hundred home runs before the
first season, in which people think he may have began
using steroids. So but someone like Rafael Palmerow probably owes
a lot more of his statistical greatness to steroids, and
someone like Bonds, he might be the one guy I
would separate from that list, but everyone has their own idea.
Doesn't matter that those guys are going.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
To go uns. Maybe the reason I would say that
he should be in the Hall of Fame is because
he was building a Hall of Fame resume anyway, and
if you take away the thirty percent increase or whatever
percentage you want to throw on it, he's a Hall
of Famer. I can see that aspect of it. But
(08:07):
you know he knowingly did the I mean, it's just
he's such an outlying example because the physical characteristics, everything
about him, was so outsized about the way he did it.
Rafael Pomiro, you could hardly help the difference. You know,
it wasn't Mark Maguire. You could definitely tell the difference.
I mean people like that physically so uh, Like I said,
(08:29):
it's weird, but I don't have a super strong.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Opinion on it. If you hadn't seen Bonds in like
ten years, you ran into me, be like, what the
hell happened to you?
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Exactly what his question?
Speaker 5 (08:39):
What is going on? It also happened to your head.
I mean he's he's he's such a nice guy.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yes, yes, well he didn't. Yeah, he doesn't help himself
in that regard.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
And him and Bob Feller would have got along splendidly.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yeah, he wasn't a you know, he wasn't a good teammate.
He has his own big lounge chair, and there was
famous for all kinds of things that would not endear
him to be all people. But there's no denying and
some of even in a steroid, here are some of
the things he did. We're just out there.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
One to zero four stats are like video game stuff.
I mean there are things you look at and you're like,
that doesn't make sense. That didn't act, That couldn't have actually.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Happened, right, you know you if you tried to explain
it to somebody who didn't who I mean it maybe
even does understand baseball, but was just a sleep during
that period. You know the amount of walks and intentional
walks and all those kind of things. It's just, uh,
he truly remarkable.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
He'd get three pitches to hit a week and he hit.
He hit two of them in the seats.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
It's just ezactly to tie a little bit of the
Royals into this Danny while you're down there, I feel
a lot of people ask the question for Salvador Perez
not does he belong in the Hall of Fame? But
maybe what does he still need to do? And if
you believe there's no shot, I means he's going to
be thirty six next year. He would probably need to
play a couple more years and put up these numbers.
(09:55):
Where do you stand on I mean, is Salvador Perez
need to have five, six, seven more great years or
do you feel that right now he only needs a
couple or is there no shot whatsoever?
Speaker 4 (10:05):
I think he's pretty close, you know, I could, I
can see you making a case that he's maybe already
done enough. You know, the numbers for catchers on the
whole are not that you know, they're not compared to
the great sluggers in the history of the game or whatever,
or the great batters. They're just not the same. They're
(10:25):
in their own category. There's not probably as many catchers
in the Hall of Fame as there should be, So
I would say he's pretty close now, maybe he needs
to get to another milestone or two in order to
get people's attention. He played on a championship team. He
doesn't have that working against him. I'd say at the
(10:46):
very least, I'd say he was about ninety percent of
the way, And it seemed like to me if he
wasn't going to get in an initial voting, and then
part of it's when you come up and the competition
you face when you come up, depending on the year
you were out, and if a couple three times he
I certainly think he would be the type of person
who would be under strong consideration for the Veterans Committee
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when that came around if he didn't get in on
the regular part of it.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Now, Curtis and I were discussing this right before you
came on, or I guess two segments ago, the Royals
one game over five hundred. They're five games back at Seattle.
I don't need to ask you. Do you feel like
they still have a chance to get in? The question
really is how should we summarize this season? Because for
those here, we know the Royals have not had competitive
baseball in September year and in year out. It's been
(11:35):
very few times over the course of thirty forty years.
But you look at this team that certainly had expectation.
They were coming off a postseason appearance, they got to
the Alds, and now it's going to look like maybe
a year they finished five hundred, maybe a few games
above it, maybe a few games below it, but they
still were competitive for the entire season. Is it disappointing?
(11:55):
Is it all right? Is it just average? How should
fans view this twenty twenty five ball club.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I don't think they should view it as a disappointment.
I can see there be various levels of being disappointed
dead but they had a lot of injuries to a
pitching staff at one point or another. Obviously, all five
of their starters have been on the disabled list, some
for considerable periods of time. I think the big biggest disappointment,
if you're looking at the arc of the season in
the standpoint of where it puts the Royals as far
(12:25):
as as a franchise right now, is just the lack
of development of position players. And you know that is
riding right now on the back of Jack cagleone and
so then that hasn't been a success this year, and
then other people that they felt maybe could take a
step forward have not done. So that's been the thing
(12:47):
that submarine this season, even more than the pitching, because
the pitching was quite good for a long time and
it hasn't even stumbled that badly. And now when the
Royals have faded away again into this position where you've
been winning, probably thirteen out of fifteen wouldn't get the
job done. Their offense went in the tank again. So
(13:09):
I think that would be the disappointing part of it.
But if you're in it into the middle of September
and you know that priv you could decide when that
ended two days ago, not quite yet whatever, I don't
think you can look at the season as a disappointment.
You know that it would be I think something worthwhile
(13:32):
to have a winning record and make it consecutive winning
seasons and have that to build on. If they, you know,
just fell apart here at the end even further and
finished four games under five hundred or something like that,
that might leave a sour taste.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You bring up Jack Caglean, and I know that for
the majority of this season. He was talked about when
he was in Northwest Arkansas, when he was in Omaha,
of course when he got to the big league club.
But he's probably going to finish this season hitting under
one seventy, which, no matter how you put it, it's
not a good season. Has the the shine of what
he could be worn off a little bit because numbers
(14:09):
are numbers? Or are we able just to flush this
first year down the drain because he got called up
rather quickly, it was already with the struggling offense, and
the numbers weren't there. How do you approach this of
flush it it was bad, He'll be just fine. He'll
be on the opening day roster next year, or is it?
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Man?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Maybe we really need to lower our expectations because of
that swing and miss.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I don't think it's time to do that yet, because
every you know, when he returned, if he had returned
to the minor leagues and been bad, you know, or
you know, not been as good, but he just went
down there and terrorized. So we know he's too good
for triple A, which means he's basically some kind of
a major leaguer, and he hasn't had that biggest ample
(14:53):
size to decide that he's you know, is not gonna
it's not gonna work. I think next year, I think
he'll probably get a full season shot unless he's really
terrible again to be a big part of what the
roles are going to do. So I would say that
this is something that you need another dose of three
(15:15):
hundred at bats or so next year before you can
start to make some real judgments. You know, yes he chases,
Yes they're swinging miss there, but certainly when somebody you know,
just absolutely massacres minor league. You know, the people who
are quadruple A players have proved it time after time
(15:36):
because they've come up time after time and not hit.
And also when they go back down they're older. You know,
he's still a young player who's demolishing minor league pitching.
So I don't think the ship has sailed at all.
I wouldn't go in that direction whatsoever, Danny.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
One of the things I thought about going into the
offseason is Number One, you've got a rotation that has
nine to ten guys that could be making starts. I mean,
you know that Reagan's is going to be back, You
got logo the contract, Walk is under contract. Noah Cameron's
certainly going to be there, and then you've got Chris Mubich,
Ryan Berger, Steven Cohlick. Is this maybe an off season
(16:13):
because you need that middle of the order bat where
you look into moving one of those younger guys. I mean,
Chris Mubich was phenomenal for this team this year and
then he just kind of ran out of gas and
got hurt. And we know that he's going to be
a free agent in twenty twenty seven. So because you
have this emergence of Ryan Berger and Steven Kohlick and
you just acquired him, is this maybe an off season
(16:35):
where if it doesn't match up in free agency, that's
the type of move you make, and maybe moving at
Chris Bubich because you have these abundance of arms to
go get that big time bat.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Well, I think it'd be a terrible time to trade
Chris Boubach because you're probably coming off an injury, not
going to get value for him. And we've seen that
there is no such thing as a surplus of starting
pitching in the major leagues these days. You know, the
way they pitch, the spin rates, the full max effort.
(17:06):
Although the pictures the a couple of the pictures of
the roads have don't fault necessarily into that category, but
still manage to get hurt. So yes, I could see
them packaging a couple of people maybe in trying to
but I don't think you're going to get a middle
of the order bat for anybody right now. And you know,
unless you've traded Chris Bubach and somebody else, you know,
(17:30):
one of the San Diego pitchers or somebody like that,
maybe somebody who would say, okay, we're going to get
a tried and you know, seemingly reliable piece of art
of our rotation and Burger or or Colic, and then
we are, you know, betting on the return of Chris
(17:52):
Bubach to be healthy. And I don't think as effective
as he was, but effective starter. So maybe that as possible,
but it's hard to get middle of the order bats.
I mean, the best way if you're not going to
spend big dollars is develop developing them, and that's why
Jack Kegley on is so important.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
And the other thing, I think, no Cameron, that this
doesn't quite apply to him as much as it does
to someone like Murger or Colic. The book is still
being written by Major League Baseball on those two guys,
So it's nice that we've seen what we've seen from them,
but we don't know that what they're going to be yet.
(18:32):
It's a good start, but there's still a long time
for people to figure out where the holes are, what
they can and can't can't do. So I think I
would I tend to temper my a little bit my
optimism for those two guys. In particular. Cameron's been up
for a while and he seems to be able to
have made the adjustments, and they've made adjustments to him,
and he's made adjustments probably back the other direction. I
(18:55):
think you feel pretty good about what he's going to be.
The other two, I think you're still kind of a mystery.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah. I think Cameron's an interesting piece because I think
he's somebody that is possibly someone who's going to be
a very good pitcher for you for a while. But
for instance, he to me wouldn't be as attractive to
other teams right now because he doesn't have the eye
popping stuff and perhaps other teams would think, you know,
(19:21):
sooner or later, people are going to figure this guy out.
There are many many fine pitchers who do not have
eye popping stuff as starters, and maybe he will be
one of them. And so I think he's more valuable
as a Royal now than on the market.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
One more for me, Danny, that we can take a
quick break. You know that, you know, the top of
the list here, the priority list for the Royals in
the offseason will be an outfield bat, a corner outfield bat,
somebody that can move the needle in the middle of
the order. But if you had to put number two
and number three what they have to go out there
and get, what would it be?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I think that's it. You know, they're they're pretty set
around the infield. Their catching situation looks pretty good, you know,
with depth and who they have and you know a
little bit of Salvador Perez still left as a catcher.
So I think that is the priority. You might say more,
(20:22):
maybe a hard throwing reliever or two. Their bullpen has
been pretty good but is not filled up with what
you see on most teams. Now that you know, every
guy who comes out of the bullpen has thrown gas,
So maybe that would be something that would be a
good number two because yes, the outfield bad is clearing,
(20:43):
but you've had a third basement who's had an excellent season.
You got Bubby Whit junior second base. You probably are
still thinking that Jonathan India can be what you traded
for him. And then of course you know Vinny Pasconcino's
just turned into a standout, so I think, and they
do have pitching depth based on what's coming back. I
(21:04):
don't think you can count really certifiably on Cole Reagan's
after all these surgeries, but even if he does not
return to what he was, they get a lot there
to work with.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Royals will be beginning a three game series tonight in Philadelphia,
who's coming off of a four game sweep of the
New York Mets. We'll take our first break here in
our number two. When we come back, Let's talk some
chiefs in Eagles with Danny right here on the program
on Sports Radio eight ten whb.
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Speaker 5 (22:13):
All right, Time for the Nick and Jakes end of
the hour. Answer what batter picture combo faced each other
the most times? And since these guys are both Hall
of famers and Danny's at the Hall of Fame, Danny
you want to take a swing at this, we'll have
to pull him up on the phone. Always already you
repeat that again? You were distracted by the who.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I was?
Speaker 5 (22:39):
What batter picture combo faced each other the most times?
Two hundred and sixty six plate appearances? How about receiver.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
No, how about Robin Roberts sank Aaron.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Hm, Nope, that's a good one. Actually, there's a guy
that Aaron has faced more than Robin R. Roberts. Aaron
faced Don Drysdale two hundred and forty nine times. That's
the second most.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Is it Aaron?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Nope? It is Pete Rose and Phil nicro two hundred
and sixty six played up here.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
That makes sense.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Third most Ty Cobb and Walter Johnson at two forty three.
But I think some people who think that number might
be low, and you know, the incomplete the game by
game records and batter versus pitcher from the early part
of the twentieth century maybe not completely reliable, but the
official numbers, at least on Baseball Reference Rose v Neicro
(23:33):
to sixty six is the most.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
That's cool. I like that, well, Danny, even though I
saw me some Phil Negro today during the film.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Well, even though you're down there, or I should say,
out there, out there, let's Kevin Cooper's down We do
want to talk some NFL Chiefs and Eagles three twenty five,
This Sunday, big big showdown, as much as a Week
two game can be a big big showdown, but the
Chiefs likely going to be without Xavier Worthy. Andy Reid
spoke on that a little bit earlier this morning. We
(24:07):
know where she Rice is not going to be there. Danny,
what's your confidence level right now? For the Chiefs to
find a way to get back in the win column
and go to five hundred two games into the season.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
It's weird. I think my confidence level is pretty good,
but the Chiefs didn't show me anything in Week one
to make me feel that way. I think the most ironic,
kind of maybe disappointing things I don't know about Andy
Reid's postgame comments was that he's usually not so negative,
was pretty forthright about the fact that he didn't like
(24:40):
the fact that his team came out so flat. Well,
it's been happening for two years now. They just don't lose.
They just hadn't been losing when they did it. I
mean the last couple of years. The time after time
they've come out in games without a lot of sizzle
and gotten behind or let an inferior opponent hang around.
This wasn't new. Maybe they extended through the whole game,
(25:01):
but I think more to the point was the fact
that they lost so he's more upset about it. But
this is not like wow, all of a sudden, the Chiefs.
Usually they come out breathing fire every way. That's just
not the case. And now maybe this was a you know,
double wake up call. And then the fact is they
(25:23):
had to sit there and watch the Super Bowl film
all week, and you know, if they can't come out
like with their hair on fire in this game, I
don't know where it's ever going to happen. And now
I guess the question is will that be enough? Is
that you know, the Eagles didn't I think probably weren't
even that thrilled with the way they played. They won,
(25:45):
but I don't think they played their a game in
the first game, so you would think that they probably
would be more on point two. But with the home
field and the fact that they lost and staring at
zero and two, I guess I'm leaning towards the Chiefs,
and certainly the fact that they're a slight underdog, and
I you know, if I was betting money, I've probably
(26:06):
lean to them even more. I guess they have shaky
confidence in the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Well that what we just you just talked about is
is one of the reasons. Why are some of the
reasons why I think last week is so inexplicable and
why this week I think is such a litmus test
on where this team is and where they can go.
I said this last last hour, you know, everything from
from February to opening night, was about getting that loss
(26:33):
out of their minds, you know, getting the taste out
of their mouth, regaining their swag, and proving that we're
still the team to beat. And the very first opportunity
they had to prove that was correct, they laid an
egg against the team that they've routinely beaten, and that
was inexplicable. And which makes this week is the dynamics
you just talked about even more important when this week
(26:58):
and that, you know, this week kind of fades away
a little bit and you've vanquished the one ghost that
you've gotten, you know, over your shoulder if you beat
the Eagles, particularly if you beat them somewhat handily. I
can't remember a time where this early in the season
there's been a bigger gap between what they could have
coming out of this game and what and the on
(27:18):
the plus and on the minus. I think there's a
chasm between winning and losing as far as how that
plays out the rest of the year, you agree, Oh.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
I completely agree. I mean basically, if they I don't
care if they win by a lot or a little.
If they beat the Eagles, then all as well. I
think that you have plenty of evidence the Chiefs are
you going to be a good team this year? And
they will have gone out and shown it against the Eagles.
You lose, they've got a rough schedule, and especially early,
you're looking at a season that be going sideways. You
(27:50):
know that's but that's still seems like a stretch when
you're talking about a Chiefs team that's been excellent, well
excellent most of the time under Andy Reid, but extra
excellent to the last six or seven years. So yes,
there's a massive difference in what a winner or loss
would And frankly, I don't even care. If it was
(28:11):
a hard fought game and they lost, it's still bad.
I mean, it would show that you know that they've
you know, maybe they lose in a last second field goal.
It's a great game. Both teams play at a high level.
They're on't turnovers. I guess if you're a fan, you
could sit there and say, well, we're Okay, we just
have you know, we had one stinker and one real
good game and row and two. We can bounce back.
(28:33):
I mean, they did have a season under any Reid
where they started one and five and made the playoffs,
I think, but two and five maybe, but still it's
you know, you've got tough games in the next ten
full of games. Still, so it's huge.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
If Juwan Taylor has another game on Sunday where he's
penalized four to five times and let's say three of
them or legal formation another one's false start. Is this
a game I think he might, which he might, It's
certainly possible. Is this a game maybe where you roll
the dice and put Jalen Moore in at right tackle?
(29:13):
We saw him two years ago in Juwan Taylor's first
season with Kansas City. He got benched in Week two
against Jacksonville. They had to make that move because he
was getting penalized way too often and setting back multiple drives.
Can you do that against the defensive line in Eagles defense?
Speaker 5 (29:27):
This good?
Speaker 4 (29:30):
I don't think they'll make a move during the game.
You know, I think they've shown that they have a
lot of patients, but they have a fifteen million dollar
backup sitting there, so I don't think they would trigger
during the game, but we've seen it happen. It strikes
me that they would have more patience with him than
(29:52):
they did, you know, with the rookie last year. So Kingsley,
I still don't dare on the radio to try to
say his name.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Right, so everyone knows.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Everybody's worked on it more than me, and I don't
Kingsley is fined by me. But you know, I think
along the offensive line, we get to another test. Even
though they've had some personnel losses, the Eagles have a
strong defensive line, and I don't think Kingsley was particularly good.
He was okay in the first game at guard. But
(30:25):
I think that they you know, that they've got it,
but they do have somebody who they paid a lot
of money to to back up these positions. So I
would think they'd take a chance of looking at them,
and especially if it's is what you said, the mistakes aspect,
because clearly if he continues to do that, he's just
not going to learn, you know. So it's not like,
(30:45):
well he'll clean to you the parlance of Andy Reid,
well well we'll clean that up. Well, the guys had
years to clean it up and he hadn't done it.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
How much longer do you think they can go without
any form of a rushing attack or are we being
too dramatic? Think about the performance in Week one with
Mahomes being the leading rusher and also had the most
carries in the game.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
I think in the current NFL, where teams seem to
have figured out more and more how to not gett
just obliterated by the pass game, and that teams have
counted that by leaning more on the running game than
they did for a five, six seven year span. I
think it's a true weakness for the Chiefs, which they've
done little to try and address. I guess, you know,
(31:29):
you could say they went out and got Elijah Mitchell,
but I think it was telling that he made the
team when everybody thought he was terrible all through camp.
So you clearly don't have much there. I don't have
a heck of a lot of confidence on Isaiah Pacheco.
I think he's more flash than Dash I always have,
you know, because he's bouncy and jumps all around, you know,
after a good play. I think the Chiefs fans, you know,
(31:52):
he's likable. He's likable in that regard, but production wise,
and I don't think there's that much there. So yeah,
I think it's a weakness. And what it does, again
is put them in a position where they're just relying
on Patrick Mahomes so much. I mean, Mahomes. If Mahomes
had played, you know, just a standard football game last week,
they would have get murdered. I mean, he's saved the
(32:14):
Bacon from it being just an embarrassment. He was the
only guy out there, and they can't continue to do that.
First of all, it's not good from a perfection standpoint. Secondly,
he's going to get hurt. So no, I think it's bad.
But you're in the season, now, what are you going
to do. You're not going to get anybody. So it
(32:37):
seems like it's something they're going to have to play
around that's not necessarily a good thing.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Well, Danny, the defense in Brazil was beyond poor. They
weren't able to get to Justin Herbert at all. They
weren't able to slow down anybody over the middle of
the field. Seemed like a really soft zone. Do you
see a turned up defense, a much better defense on
Sunday or is this just too good of an offense
they're going to be going up against and they're going
to be able to get points even if they do
(33:01):
come out with their hair on fire.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
I think the Chiefs are going to have to score.
This game is not going to be won seventeen to
fourteen or nineteen to seventeen. I don't see that at all.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
I think the.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Chiefs probably have to get at or near thirty to
win this game. So no, I don't expect the defense
to be markedly better. They could. They could be okay
and give up twenty three or something like that, but
it is shut down defense day in the National Football League.
Generally touch something we see much of anymore. Their secondary
(33:35):
didn't look particularly good, but it's it's something that's been
generally an issue for the Chiefs for a while now,
as lack of pressure on the quarterback. Even when some
individuals seem to get enough of a statistical punch to
you know, like George carlottis he looks like a good player,
(33:56):
he gets some sacks. He was rewarded with the contract.
But it does add up as a team to great
pressure on the opponents without blitzing, and that just exposes you. Now,
thankfully they have a really, really good defensive coordinator who
probably feels a little embarrassed himself. He developed a game
plan that was based on the fact that he thought
(34:17):
the Chargers were going to come out and try to
run the ball down the Chief's throat, and then all
they did was throw, throw, throw, and the Chiefs did
no answer for it. They were caught with their pants down.
So this game is intriguing on so many levels, and
certainly the defensive side of the ball. And you know,
I just don't think they've you know, they've done a
remarkable job of taking a bunch of guys named Joe
(34:39):
and maybe one star player in the secondary and making
it work. You know. That's that's but you know, sooner
or later you're going to have a year maybe like
this one. I don't know when the secondary just isn't
very good. And we saw some signs of that in
the first game.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Yeah, there was a bad combination. One justin Herbert could
have played the entire game and a tank top in shorts.
That's probably a problem. But when you can't get anyone
after him, you've got to send guys to be Okay,
if you could cover, but the safeties looked like they
didn't know what was going on half the time. And
at the horrible combination and we saw wide open high school,
(35:16):
wide open receivers all night that they they do that
again this week. The Eagles can name their score.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Right and the Eagles. You know, the last time the
Chiefs played the Eagles, they made of ried a priority
on stopping Saquon Barkley, and they did basically, but it
didn't do any good. And you know, there's a guy
running the show in Philadelphia who can make you pay
for ganging up against the run. Then maybe they'll say, well,
you know, that wasn't such a great status strategy. They
(35:44):
unloaded on us even though we did that. So let's
tilt our game plan more away from so much emphasis
on Saquon Barkley. And then he goes for one fifty.
So there's a real conundrum there.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
As much as people talk about Reeda Mahomes, Siriani and
herts have have gotten it done. He may be a Yahoo,
but that combination has been to two Super Bowls and
have won a trophy. So they're to be reckoned with.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Yes, yeah, and they've got a lot of answers they've
got good offensive line play, you know they, and they
continually seek out and add pieces and spend money. So
they're willing to spend some of their own money to
bring in veterans and take a flyer on guys, but
acquire reasonably young players for draft capital, as they've already
(36:30):
done this season. So they're you know, they are looking
right now as if they've taken the mantle away from
the Chiefs as the class organization in the league.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Chiefs and Eagles at three point twenty five this Sunday,
we'll take a quick break. You're listening to the program
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Big game in Tucson tonight, Kansas State will take their
one and two record on the road for their first
true road game of the season. They will take on
(37:54):
an undefeated Arizona Wildcats team. Danny, how do you see
this one playing out? And if can the State were
to fall short in this game? It's not a conference game.
But what more can you say about this season for
Kansas State, a season that a lot of fans probably
expected nine to ten wins out of Well, first of.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
All, you mentioned Arizona. They've looked awful good in their
first two games and it just absolutely wiped out their
two opponents. And they weren't both terrible opponents in Kansas
State has not looked good in any of their three games.
I mean, but it has been a narrative that Chris
Cleman has got his team to improve as the season
has gone along. But Curtis talked before about the giant
(38:35):
chasm between a Chiefs win and a Chiefs loss. The
same deal in this game for the Cats. I mean, yes,
it's not it doesn't count as a conference game. Obviously,
it was scheduled before Arizona went to the conference, but
not only did. It's not just that they've lost two
out of three games and barely lost barely won the
(38:58):
other one. It's how they've looked doing it. So seems
like maybe they've got more holes than we figured going in.
And you know, their offensive line play hasn't been particularly
good and defense obviously has been problematic. But you know,
from people you know close to Kansas State, feel like
(39:18):
it's just been sort of an you know, tiny mistakes
here and there. It's not like guys are playing a
you know, an entirely bad game. They'll just make a
mistake at just the wrong time. Well it's easy to
say unless it keeps happening. So I don't feel great
about their chances in this game. I don't think you know,
it's not going to be an electric atmosphere, it's not
going to be a South East Conference game, but it's
(39:38):
still a Friday night game, you know, for a team
whose fan base has seen them go to and oh
and you know it's not going to be one hundred
million degrees and at night, so that that'll help the
fans get out there and be all oiled up. So
that's that's going to be tough. I would lean toward
Arizona in this game. And then you've got a whole
(40:00):
lot of questions about the Kansas state. But you know,
Chris Climban is clearly playing some mind games with his team,
or mind games in the right way by you know,
he made a big point after they the last game
when they got beat of saying, you know, I'm proud
of these guys. Well that's what you kind of do,
I think when you feel like your team's really, you know,
(40:22):
just a wounded animal and that you know jumping on
him is going to be the exact wrong thing to do.
So this will be a real interesting peak into what
you know. But like you say, you can't straighten things
out in the conference season. Will be unto itself, but
you can't like what their chances will be from just
(40:44):
a performance standpoint if they don't win this game.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Danny, appreciate your time. Thanks for robbing on all.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
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Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!
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