November 21, 2025 • 49 mins
Jack, Kurtis, and Danny kick around a very busy agenda with the Chiefs-Colts showdown, uphill battles for the local college football squads, plus some college hoops and Royals breaking news. Come on along!!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Danny Clinkscale, reasonably irreverent podcast, insightful and
witty commentary, probing interviews and detours from the beaten path.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Every once in a while we have to bring out
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Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yeah, oh God help us.
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Speaker 3 (00:40):
Our number two of the program on Sports Radio eight
ten WHB. I'm your host Jack Johnson filling in for
Sirren Petro. Curtis Siebolts joining me as he always does.
Kyle Call, you're producing this thing and now joined in
studio for the entire hour. Danny Clinkscale Danny Unleashed is
brought to you by Eastern Roofing. Danny, how are we
(01:02):
doing this afternoon? We're doing just great.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
It is always a pleasure to be brought to you
by Eastern Roofing. Got my Christmas lights up courtesy of
Eastern Roofing. My roof is courtesy of Eastern Roofing. I
don't have sighting from Eastern Roofing because I haven't needed it,
but I know that if I do, Eastern Roofing will
be where I will go because integrity matters with them,
and so it's always a pleasure to be here. Courtesy
of Eastern Roofing and Jack. What I wanted to know
(01:27):
is I start the segment with you, and it's always
a pleasure to be joined by one Jack Johnson. Who
do you identify more with the musician or the boxer?
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I get this question more than you would think.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I'd be a pretty easy answer that. Well, just for me,
I feel like you're an amalgamation of the two, you know,
and the soul of a musician and the rugged finess
Jack Johnson.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Well, I can tell you everywhere I've checked in, they've
always assumed it's because of the singer. And I very
much relate to the movie office space with Michael Bolton
that everywhere I go, it's that's my favorite song. Do
I play the guitar? Can I sing?
Speaker 5 (02:07):
I go?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Just because I have a very It's a very common
name when you think about it, right, Well, it's not
like Michael Bolton. No, Jack Johnson is a very common
first name, common last name. But if to answer your question.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
More common is the name Jack is becoming more of
a yes popular name name.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah, I know. I have three friends who have young
children were boys. Or is Jack? No? Nobody used to
be named Jack, and it's odd to think that.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
No, no, but.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
No, but they were named John. John Kennedy would be
the nick name. And now people are named Jack. I
wonder when that trend.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
When that changed?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Is your name Jack? Yeah? Not Jackson? And not John?
Speaker 5 (02:48):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Not Jack's No, not with an X. No, that's an
alter ego. Then if I, if I a little bit
more edgy, I probably go.
Speaker 7 (02:54):
By j X.
Speaker 8 (02:55):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I like the name Jack's actually Jack.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I think that's a good name.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
But answer your question, I guess I like your answer,
to be honest with you, a little bit of both. Right,
have the calming sense, the calming personality of the singer
out on the beach somewhere. But if I need to
turn it up a notch, I can always have the aggressiveness. Yeah,
some songs you could create from having those two personalities.
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But no, Danny, glad you're in here, because man, do
we have a lot to cover, whether it be college basketball,
Darren Peterson not going to be in Vegas with KU
or at least playing in those games. K State in
action again tonight. PJ. Haggerty put up thirty seven against
Misissippi State. Missouri took care of business against South Dakota
Chiefs and Colts, and I would say, minutes before you
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sat down in that chair, the Royals and Jonathan India
avoided arbitration, settled on a one year deal worth eight million.
So maybe right out of the way, because it is
breaking news that just happened, let's go over this deal
with Jonathan India. We know the Royals are going to
have much bigger plans for this offseas and this will
probably be a very minor move they end up making.
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But what would you have done if you were JJ Baccole.
Jonathan India was brought in to be the on bass guy,
the leadoff guy, and by the end of it, underperformed offensively,
underperformed defensively, underperformed in terms of health. I just wasn't
that durable for the team this year. Would you have
let him walk non tendered his contract or do you
feel that it's a fine move to say, hey, you
were banged up. We feel you can still be the
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twenty twenty four version of yourself and we want you
to be the opening day second baseman. I would have walked.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I like Jonathan India the person, but there's really nothing
in his career that screams out that he has to
be an everyday fine player. His career Ops is bolstered
by his rookieyear, which is his best year by far,
and since then he has been injured off and on.
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Ops has been in the mid seven hundreds in a
bandbox of a ballpark. That ops bolstered by home run power.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
He's not going to.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
See here, so and he's not a good fielder. He's
got some vers versatility, but he was completely uncomfortable when
they tried to use him in that type of role.
I think there's a lot of second basement types out
there that you could get who I think would be
every bit, if not better than And it's hard to
think of somebody that you j cronin worth or you know,
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he's expensive. But I mean there's probably seven or eight
guys that are possibilities around baseball and you probably think, well,
at the least they're going to perform to a Jonathan
India level and probably pick it better. So yeah, I
would have walked on him. I don't think it's the
worst thing in the world. It's eight million dollars. It's
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not a lot of money, but you know, you might
be able to get a four million dollar second basement.
So it's also I think probably a little bit of
a king against their organizational strength. You know, farm system
that there isn't some kind of middle infielder or utility
type player who can play one hundred games at second base.
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So long answer, the short answer is I would have walked.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I wonder too if this said more about you know,
you just want to raise the floor of some of
the positions out there. You know, in the outfield, they're
going to have to overhaul the group. I mean, you
want to give maybe a right handed bat for Jack
Kaglio and Wright. You of course want your big move
to be a left fielder, but at second base, the
options were on the roster Jonathan India or Michael Massey,
and Michael Massey last year didn't give you much confidence
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that you could give him that job and say we're
comfortable non tendering Jonathan India because we feel Michael mask
would be that guy. And who knows, maybe they bring
back Adam Fraser on a one year deal to give
him some depth. But uh, I mean clearly there has
to be sure was better than him like he was.
So is this a platoon situation where you say, well,
Jonathania due to durability and effectiveness at the plate and
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also poor defense. Is it where you go into the
year maybe bringing in someone like Adam Fraser or I
guess you can just do it with Michael Massey and
being a left hander where you bring him back to
get a platoon spot where Indy is just facing lefties
and Michael Massey or Adam Fraser is facing Righty's.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I think I'm always these days probably in favor of
a platoon. I think it's still underutilized, and I think
it's underutilized in baseball. I think, you know, I guess
Casey Stengele was the first one I really did it
extensively in baseball, and it's kind of gone in and
out of vogue. I think I'm just looking up his
splits here and his ops is almost identical in his career. So,
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but that doesn't mean that Massy could benefit by only
facing right handers. That would make Massey the primary second baseman.
I think that would be worth a shot at the
start because you probably want to unless you sign another
veteran right now, you would look at the roster and
say that they're both going to be on the team.
Maybe not, but so I think that would be a
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good path to go. But I think i'd kind of
look around elsewhere and see if maybe you don't do
that now, or maybe you package Michael Massey with somebody
else in some kind of a trade where he would
be not a throw in piece, because I think he's
got better upside than that, but he would be an
additional piece in a trade.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
You know, we all know, and this can be our
last point here on the Royals because we got so
much to get into with you, Danny. We know that
the focus needs to be left field, we know, or
just an outfielder in general. They need to have an
impact bat and the way it's all lined up is
a corner outfield spot. And since they expect Jack cagleone
to be their right fielder, it does leave left field.
And the names out there that have been brought up constantly,
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Jared Duran in Boston, will your bray you in Boston?
Those are both left and right fielders. Taylor Ward was
an option he gets dealt to Baltimore for Grayson Rodriguez.
Joe Adell was an option with the Angels, but it
feels like it's unlikely they're going to move him now,
right because he's got the years of control. How much
would you be willing to give up? Because we know
the Royals have what a lot of teams are looking
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for and an abundance of starting pitching, But you don't
want to get too reckless with that where you're dealing
a bunch of pitchers, because that's what they ran into
last year is they didn't have enough depth. They had
seventy five year old Rich Hill throwing some games for them,
and big spots in a postseason chase. So if it
was for a Jaren Duran, or it was for a
Joe Adell or a Brendan Donovan, what would you be
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willing to give up? Because we know Bubich has been discussed,
we know Cameron and Reagans have been discussed. I doubt
they'd want to move Reagans, but it feels that Boobach
and Cameron are kind of those those hot topics, if
you will. If the Royals are to deal somebody, I
would deal.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
A significant pitcher for batting I mean it's the lineup
is submarining their ability to win. I mean, they pitched
excellently the last two years and they made the playoffs,
which was great, and then last year that was not
good enough because their offense was just awful for such
a long time. Improved a bit. It was pretty bad
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the year before, but came on towards the end of
the year. Yes, you're hitching your wagon too, the hope
that it was just a rough tutorial for Jack hagleone
and that he'll be at least a reasonable major league pitcher,
but I mean hit her. But yeah, I think the
lineup needs to be bolstered because I think that you're
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probably going to see another step backwards for Salvador Perez.
You don't want him as the middle of the bat
hitter on the team. I don't think you know, he
can't be hitting five. I don't think anymore, and I
think by the end of the year that would probably
will probably become obvious. But he's defied expectations over and
over and over again in his career. So but yeah,
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I think they have to be creative in doing something
about that lineup because it can just kill you. I mean,
you can have good pitching, a guy go out and
make a nice start, and a nice start these days
is you know, six innings and three runs and then
you're he leaves the game and you're losing three to
one at that point in time. So yeah, I would,
I'd be pretty aggressive in that regard.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
You know, I thought Cleveland did this so well for
a number of years. And even though they're not the
expectation or the bar for great offense because they didn't
have a good offense last year, but I always thought
they were so good about when they maximize value out
of a pitcher, they almost always flipped that guy for
offensive help. We saw it a couple of years back
when they dealt Mike Clevenger to the Podres to get
fran miil Rays and Josh Naylor. Then guys they eventually
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ended up flipping down the road as well. So when
you have an abundance of pitching, a surplus of pitching,
that's where you might need to strike and bring in
that offensive help because the free agent market just doesn't
look that favorable for the Royals this offseason. Jumping over
to college basketball, want to touch on all three you.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Wanted to say you warmed my heart by allowing me
to talk.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
About baseball for five minutes. Oh, you've on a cool
November day. You can always count on me for that.
I'm already eager for when pitchers and catchers report, but
we know we've just now begun the college basketball season.
Both k State and Missouri undefeated. K State in action
tonight at the T Mobile Center against Nebraska. Kansas will
be in action on Monday in the Players Era Tournament
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in Las Vegas. They are going to be doing so
without Darren Peterson, their star player. He continues to nurse
the hamstring injury. Bill self said today they're very close,
but with a three day, three game tournament, doesn't really
feel like the opportune time to work him back in.
So where are you at with this situation? Do you
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feel that, hey, he's just not going to play in
this tournament now and then their first game after that
is December two against Yukon, Or do you feel this
is turned into a much bigger issue where you don't
believe that it's as soon as Kansas is saying it is,
and it's more so of you just got to go
game by game and if he's available, he's available. But
as we we've seen the last couple of weeks, do
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you say he's close, you say he's almost back, and
then he's in street closed when it's all said and done.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
I think if you ask the Kansas fan two weeks
ago whether two weeks down the road they wouldn't have
seen Darren Peterson play, about ninety eight percent of them
would have said, no, way, we're going to see some
Darren Peterson. I mean, they've had significant games. I think
it's troubling right now, it's not I guess, and they'll
Let's face it, if you sign a great player like
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Darren Peterson, you know you're going to have him from
one one year. The hope is that he leads to
success in March. That's the ultimate goal. The ultimate goal
is not for him to play well enough that he
confirms that he's a number one player in the draft.
Puts up some gaudy numbers that you can look back on. Oh,
do you remember that night he scored forty one or whatever?
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You know, that's not really what you're there for. Does
anybody really care about the forty burger that Andrew Wiggins
put up while the team lost at West Virginia, you know.
I mean no, they don't. They remember that he sucked
in the round two and he was terrible in that
game and sleepwalk through it. So I was twenty feet
away watching him sachet around the court. So it's not
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the worst thing in the world. But to me, it
sounds like it's kind of chronic because they are really
worried about putting a eighty nine percent player out there.
If these were three individual games, the next three games
against good opponents and they weren't potentially in a three
games and four nights, would that be different. I don't
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think there's any way for us to know there's not.
Do you think December second, who were saying in the
last hour the home game, it's a week from next
Tuesday against your.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I don't think you can target anything, right.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
I'm saying, if he doesn't play in that game, if
they get ready for yukon eight o'clock on December second,
and ah, he's just not ready. He's getting close. Does
that to me seems like an inflection point where I'm
right there, I'm right there now. I'm there now. But
there's at least like a tangible, believable reason while we
got these three games in three days, blah blah blah blah.
If he has this entire week off and then comes
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back after that, isn't there on the eighth or on
the second? That's when to me, I go all right.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
This he well, do you want to get your clock
cleaned at home by Yukon? That was fabulous to watch
game between Arizona and Yukon. Yu Gun wasn't even at
their best. And there's nothing worse than a pissed off
Bobby Hurley, you know, coaching his team, and if you're
out there with Darren Peterson, you're gonna lose. We've seen it.
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I've seen it against hide quality opposition. I thought the
rest of the team played borderline heroically in the game
against Duke. I thought those guys played as as well
as I think they can, and they fought.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
But you know, when do you? When do we?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I think Sarn said it the other day, Is this
the first time that before the game said this is
this the first time we could actually see a moral
victory for Kansas? Yeah, in a twelve point loss, I'd
say that game was, But that's not a I'm not
saying that's a good sign to me. That's a bad sign.
I think the rest of the crew looked like the
rest of the crew, and they played well. But if
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that's the rest of the crew for any length of time,
at some point the book will get out and that
rest of the crew you're not getting thirty seven from
no council and no you're not white. But I guess
the reason why I mean the second is I could
see a situation where Bill self has examined the situation,
gone all right, December seconds to day, we're gonna say
his weak to weakest game to game, but December second
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is the day we're just gonna make sure he's ready.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Then I would say that's the hope. If you get
to that point and he's not there, then it's it
could be.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah, I guess that would just raise you know, my
temperature from which is high now I'm light, like it
be in the concern level. If it's one to ten,
I'm eight, right. Ham strings are funny, Yeah, And if
he just tweaked it, he'd be playing by now it's not,
it's worse. So I yes, I think it's more of
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an issue than probably people would want it to be.
But March is a long way from now and if
and if the whole goal is to just to make sure,
and of course there are I don't buy it. But
I think there's concerns from a lot of people in
the Kansas fan base that this is, you know, he
doesn't really want to play a lot this year, that
this is just a waystation. And but you know what,
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there's no that's there's no exceptions to that. Now the
man is getting paid. He's a professional player who's on salary.
Do your job, if you can really do your job.
I mean it's literally do your job. They didn't you know,
he's not been paid per game. I don't think his
clock in right, I mean, how many hours you got
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four and a half get dinged a game? Check? If
one of these times you know he's getting paid, so
I did's a whole new ballgame. Well.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I do think the misconception two was with fans out
there that do believe, you know, if they are at
that point of you know, he's sitting out because he's
wanted to, you know, protect his draft stock if you will.
I think the misconception is that hurts your draft stock, right,
I would agree with you, Yeah, it's your your plumber
players are going to look at it and like, oh,
is this what we're gonna deal with. Yeah, a guy
who's got a cranky hamstring all the time. I'm not
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going to pick him number one. I mean, he's not
a big man either, or he's not a you know,
one of these six ten freak goal players. Yeah, look
at aj Debantsa, at Byu.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
He's out there, he's playing, he's dominating, right.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I don't I do believe that he wants to be
out there. I feel this is more soviy. You look
at the roster for Kansas and the goal after the
last two years, you get bounced in the round of
thirty two, even though that game against Sandford they arguably
could have been bounced due to that foul call on
Nicholas Timberlake, so it could have been back to back year.
As a first round exits, you can't make a deep
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run in March. Doubt him, which is why in November
last year's team was seven to zero wins against Michigan State,
wins against Duke, wins against North Carolina, and I believe
they went fourteen and thirteen or something the rest of
the way. I mean, if you peak in November, you
peak in November. There's nothing you can do about it.
But this feels like a team where Bill Soeff and
the coaching staff are playing the long game of we
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don't care if you're ninety seven percent going into Vegas.
We don't care if you're you know, going in the
Duke game, if you were close to one hundred. There's
no need to rush this. And do you buy the
fact of if you want to be that eternal optimist,
they are getting value out of not having him in
games like this, so that these guys who are the
supporting cast have to learn how to play without him.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Well, I think what they've learned right now is that
they're not good enough. I mean, how does that help you?
Oh geez, when we play against Duke in North Carolina,
it ain't close. So to me, that's and that's a
you know, that's a ding too. I've seen some impressive
looking squads out there so far. Because these big boys
with nil and with a reputation and with high powered coaches,
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they can put together teams that start to more resemble
the teams we used to see back in the day.
Mm hm. You know, because you do have the one
and Dun's they're there, And you know, there used to
be teams where the night there that the Kansas championship game. Okay,
there wasn't a superstar NBA player on that team, but
there was NBA talent all over the floor, all over
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the bench. You just don't see that too often anymore.
And now I've seen teams that look like that. Arizona
looks like an NBA team. I was watching the game
with you, kind of like, look, how big all these
guys aren't know? I mean, it looked like you were
in a time capsule that I'd been transported a few
years ahead when everybody on the floor in college basketball
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is at least six foot seven, and so I make
the court bigger. So you got to turn the lights
on in that Bahama place. By the way, that's not
that game, but it was another game I was watching,
and it's like Scott Van Pelt said, seems like they
used all the lights in the casino.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
That's good, which is good. Yeah, Well, it will be
Kansas in Vegas and the Players Era Tournament next Monday
two thirty, tip off against Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Again.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
They'll be without Darren Peterson. I want to touch on
k State two because I thought they were. They have been,
let's just put it that way. Maybe not defensively, but offensively.
This is one of the best scoring teams in the
country and they've been led by PJ. Haggert. He put
up thirty seven last night. I believe right now he
is the leading scorer in the country. I mean, he's
averaging close to thirty points a game. He was so
incredibly effective last night, thirteen to twenty one. They dominated
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the Mississippi State team that was a two point favorite
going in, and now tonight they're going to get Nebraska Daniel.
I thought last year that was the issue with that
k State team. They were an expensive team. Coleman Hawkins
was out there, Doug McDaniel was out there, Brendan Howsen,
but they just couldn't put it together offensively. But you
look at this group and maybe it's this is a
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great five game stretch for them. The shots are falling,
whether it be inside the paint or outside. I mean,
they've been brilliant shooting it from deep. They were really
good defensively last night, I thought, especially when they pulled
away in the second half. But if you get PJ.
Haggerty playing like this, I've always thought with Jerome Tang,
you give him that point guard that best resembles Marquise Noel.
That is not just a tournament team, that's a team
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that can make a deep run into March. So is this, say,
a case of man, they're just really hot right now
they're playing favorable competition, or is this a sign of
things to come where we need to start taking Case
States seriously. As a top six team in the Big
twelve and one that's not on the bubble, they should
firmly be expected to be in the in the tournament
come March. I'm not quite there yet. I'm starting to
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be convinced that the improved defense last night a little
bit was something for me, because they just flat out
scored people, and you know, they barely won a game
they were supposed to win by a bunch. So and
they have been ridiculously hot. They're shooting over fifty percent
from three point range. I mean, you're not they're not
going to do that, Okay, I'll just check in. That's
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almost a swim to the you know, swim the Caribbean
for me. But j yes, So I'm still there's enough
good games, including tonight for me for me to still
wait and see on them a little bit because the
results have been so you know, keep it over the
last couple of years. But you can ride a great
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score to a fine season. I mean the last this
is just reminiscent of having Michael Beasley. But this guy's
got the ball in his hands, uh just about all
the time.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
So uh, I think they're fun. You know what, the
team K State teams the last couple of years, they
they weren't very good, but they also weren't very fun
to watch, and that's a bad combination. So at least
they're fun so far. And I think Missouri Missouri to me,
has looked better so but you know, they don't play
in the same league, so it doesn't really matter right now.
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But if I was going to pick one team I
like better, I would say probably Missouri right now. But
I think their competition is also going to be a
little stiffer, although the Big twelve is going.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
To be good, Yeah, incredibly good. I mean they might
have been. This might be one of the more impressive
starts league wide.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Three of the top six teams in the poll, and
yeah another one at eleven or twelve. Right, there's just
more teams in the SEC. That's that's surely problem. But yeah,
it looks like it's a great year in the league.
I mean, like I said, Arizona looks great. There's some
really good it'll be some fantastic games every week.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Yeah, And if you, like I said, if Kansas isn't
up to speed and Peterson isn't going to play, they're
going to take some road whoopings in this league. Now
we're gonna be looking at let's look back at the
media guy exactly. See when the last time was this happened? Right, Well,
we already have done that already. You know how the
points spread in the last game. So yeah, but I
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think it's it makes for good interest at a time
of the year where we shouldn't yet be College basketball
should not be played till after Thanksgiving. But that ship
has really sailed. I mean by three weeks, you're in
exhibitions before Halloween. I know, I don't understand why you
wants as an entertainment product athletic director, money making entity,
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want to put your two prime entertainments up against each other. Yeah,
I mean, so they're playing games on Saturday afternoons.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I don't either anyway.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Well, if you are, I mean, for a number of years,
if you were a Kansas fan, you probably wanted football
to start in basketballmber you did because yeah, you didn't
want you didn't care if it was you know, five
exhibition games. You would just rather basketball get going now.
But as of right now, I mean, kay, you has
Iowa State tomorrow at eleven am. They're still needing one
more win for bleligibility. Same thing for Kansas State. They'll
(25:50):
be in Salt Lake against Utah and Missouri or Todd
lebo is actually going to be down there at the
game Missouri and Oklahoma. Real quickly, it's touched on these
three games, and then we'll go to the final thirty
minutes on the Chiefs and the Colts. Looking in this
first game here Kansas and Iowa State, they're going to
be an Ames. They've won the last three years against
the Cyclones. Is this a case of Look, Kansas had
(26:13):
their chance last week against Arizona. They've had chances in
the year to grab that six to win, and now
you're going into Ames Jack Trice Stadium and then Utah
at the end of the year. This will be another
five and seven finish and k you will have nobody
to blame but itself because of those late game blunders,
bad play calls, poor coaching decisions. Is that what it's
(26:33):
going to be shaping out to be? Or do you
feel that tomorrow KU is going to make it four
straight and they'll be able to take some pressure off
their shoulders for next Friday where they get Utah on
Senior Day.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Well, obviously, if Saren was sitting in that chair, he'd
say that Vegas knows something because I can't believe the
betting line is as low as it is. I don't
like this game at all for Kansas at all. I
thought that Iowa State found a little something and you know,
a fairly unlikely win TCU. They had to pull it
out with a punt return whatever. But they I think
(27:03):
they have a bounce in their step. They won their
game before they'reby you know, they they and they still
have something to play for in a disappointing season to
kind of say, you know, we could still go win
eight games.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
That's okay.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
So and Kansas said, you know, their defense was a
little bit better, but Jalen Daniels hasn't thrown for two
hundred yards and the last four games, they haven't scored
more than twenty one points in the last five games.
I don't see it, so I think they did miss
their opportunity. So they're because that's a no go against Utah.
I don't thah.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
No.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
It feels that this has to be their opportunity. The
only way if you were a Kansas fan that you
wanted to squint and see something. I feel the style
of play which Iowa State goes at. They they're slolose,
they keep you close, they're a little bit slower rock
go back, and they're incredibly banged up. That's a bad
case for them as well. But Kansas, they're banged up.
Daniel Heishaw was on the injury report questionable for this game,
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not sure if he's going to be good to go.
That running back room has been banged up all sea
and long. And for Kansas, the only way you really
win this game, in my opinion, you got to win
the turnover battle. They have not been great at forcing
turnovers and they've had that bad turnover when you just
can't have it. Kickoff will be at eleven am, and
that should be after your quick college game day tomorrow,
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so Kansas and Iowa State a ye morning kickoff tomorrow
in Ames. They'll be looking for that sixth win to
be boeligible and look to beat the Cyclones for the
fourth consecutive year. Kansas State, we just touched on Utah
a little bit. They're coming off of their victory. It
was ugly, muddied up in still Water. But to me,
at this point in the season where both these schools
are at, you just need six wins. I'm not sure
(28:39):
that blowing anybody out really gives you much more confidence
or a better feeling about how your season is gone.
But if there was any win to make you feel
better about closing out your year, because Case State's got
Colorado in Manhattan to wrap up the season, beating Utah
in Salt Lake would go a long way in doing that.
But do you see as the Wildcats being a seventeen
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and a half point an underdog in this game any
world in which they have their game of the year
and they go in and be a top fifteen team
like Utah in the altitude that is Salt Lake.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
What's the little SoundBite we play in the bumpers on
this program when Bill self says hell no, hell no,
Hell no to that question. They've averaged fifty a game
in their wins in the Big Twelve. They've scored at
least forty five in every game except the game against
the top two teams Texas Tech and Brigham Young. The
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goal to me for Kansas State in this game is
not get a bunch of injuries for the last game
and don't get embarrassed playing and simple. I don't even
need to go into any more detail.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Hell no, in case State is ravaged right now injury wise,
and I leave that played a factory's some people. Yeah,
make sure you get the win against Colorado. Yeah, it's
just been an odd year for the cas but they
should be able to grab that six win, assuming they're
not just even more banged up than they already are
against Colorado. I mean, that's the Colorado team that just
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really doesn't have much to play for. They'll have a
freshman quarterback in in that game. But that kickoff tomorrow
will be at two thirty, I believe. So the Cats
are seventeen and a half point underdog. Utah has been
red hot and they need their final two games and
then some to get into the Big Twelve title game
for a rematch against highly motive NFL caliber team like
Texas Tech. It appears to be so. And before our
(30:28):
break here, I want to get your thoughts in Miszoo
and Oklahoma the best game of the three.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
I can do it.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Kyle, by the way, I didn't do it Miszoon on him. Yeah, no,
it's on me. You can blame me Missoo and Oklahoma.
You've got a twenty second ranked Tigers team against a
top ten Oklahoma team coming off the winn in Tuscaloosa
against Alabama. How do you see this one playing out?
It'll be Matt Zohlers again in this game from a
Zoo Oklahoma riding the high, beating Alabama trying to get
(30:54):
in the college football playoffs. There chance the Tigers pull
off the upset here against the Sooners.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I'm not going to go all the way to the
previous comment, but I'm not far away either. His allars
looks like he's just They have to hope he isn't terrible.
Hardy's probably going to have trouble. I'm even talking about duplicating.
You know, He's got to run for at least one
point fifty in this game for them to have a
chance and what chance do I think he has of
(31:22):
doing that?
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Not much.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
I don't like the game at all. Oklahoma's offense isn't
very good, so that that can keep you in the game,
But I don't see they can play d I don't
see a scenario where Missouri gets to above fourteen. If
you can win thirteen to ten, so be it. But
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
So it sounds like Danny's got the local schools going
h to three. But let's hope, Dan, let's hope I'm wrong.
Let's hope not only that you're wrong, but let's hope
your prediction for the Chiefs is on the positive side
of things here. So even though he went along, let's
take a break here, come back, wrap it up with
Danny with the Chiefs and the Colts kicking off at
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All right the Nick and Jake's end of the our answer,
who is the only team to go to the Super
Bowl after a five and six start?
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Giants?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Was that Cardinals team?
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Like, let's just cut you off with the pass. Three
teams have made it at six and five, the eighty eight,
forty nine Ers, the one Pats, and the eleven Giants
you're referring to. This team was five and six, they
finished nine and seven, won two road games in the postseason,
(35:46):
and we're leading in the fourth quarter before falling to
a heavy playing with the backup quarterback who played they
lost the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah, just get to the Super Bowl playing to the
backup quarterback who applied his trade largely in the Big Eight.
That'll give you an era. I'm not.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Once, I once, I lost the Giant.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
I get it. The nineteen seventy nine Los Angeles Rams
or five and six, and they managed to win a
couple of games in the postseason on the road, were
leading the Pittsburgh Steelers in the fourth quarter and then,
as John Facenda said, great teams aren't always great, They're
just great when they have to be. And they were,
(36:28):
and they.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Three times.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
The Steelers won Super Bowl games because they completed very unlikely.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Long passes twice against the Cowboys. And this game also.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Got a pass interference play right in the Cowboy game
and Kansas older Kansas fans will probably have been rooting
hard for Los Angeles because Nolan Cromwell was All Pro
safety on that team, and I think he was involved
with the play, almost had a pick six. The big
the big pass over the middle of the top that
they hit for Stalwarts was on Rod Perry, right, who
(37:05):
wasn't his fault? Somebody was supposed to be the safety
is supposed to go over there, and he got burnt.
But yeah, Cromwell almost had a pick six in that
game as Pittsburgh was driving for a score and it
was right in his hands and he's, oh, it was
nothing but green in front of him. So if great,
back back when the Rams said nice uniforms, if great
teams don't have to be great all the time, they
just have to be great at the most important times,
(37:27):
is that the Kansas.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
City Chiefs exactly what I was going to ask this
s Well.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
First of all, what I'm going to say is that
if you know I'm a I'm a Chiefs observer. I'm
not a fan, So this helps me in this regard.
I would be pissed at the Chiefs this week. Where
was all this stuff about this being a big game
and you know, we're focused now where like last week
(37:54):
with a nine year divisional streak on the line against
the Broncos, who can put you to bed in the
AFC West, and you come out like that, I mean,
it's a bad combination for the Chiefs. I'm still picking
the Chiefs. I'm an idiot. I'm picking the Chiefs Sunday.
But I can't really make a solid case for it.
The Chiefs start slow, they finish slow. That's a bad combination.
(38:16):
The middle is where they're piling up all the stats
that we talked about. Oh, there are still top ten
in offense and their top ten and defense and whatever.
But if you just come out like it's a you know,
you're going to a picnic every week, and then you
can't finish games, you're gonna lose.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
Yeah, And they've also largely piled those numbers up against
three in three games, one against only one against a
really good team Detroit. You know, they piled up of
their seventy three point margin, they fifty two of those
came against e.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
They have won a good win this year, the Lion
of the Lions, I mean the Ravens laar get hurt.
I think they were gonna win that game anyway, but
they certainly won. Weren't gonna win it impressively now and
the Ravens quit, Yes, And.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
I'll say I'm not quite as a surprised by the
lack of urgency because I didn't really hear it from
the players or coaches last week. You know, we're we're
up for every game. You know, we don't we treat
I think I said this last hour. I think they
feel like if they say, yes, this is a huge game,
it makes people think, well, you don't think last week
was big or the week after that was big. So
(39:19):
they want to say, you know we we we treat
every game like you know, the same, like it's a
playoff game.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
We want to win every week. They don't want to
say that they don't, so I don't really that's how
they really get, don't. I don't know that they necessarily
did go into that game. To your point, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
They Well, how do you not?
Speaker 4 (39:33):
I think that I don't really care what they say, yeah,
because I mean it's what they do, right, I'm not
going to be shocked if the Colts are up ten
to nothing in this game, even if the Chiefs come
back to win. For whatever reason. For three years now,
even you know, Chiefs were still a fine team and
went to the Super Bowl last year, they just don't
seem to want to jump anybody, right, Come on? Is
(39:57):
it that they don't want to or they maybe the
out they can't because I would for a long time,
I'm thinking a long time, I'm thinking they don't they're
just not prepared to. They're they're not ready to. Yeah,
maybe now they're not capable of it. In each of
their last two games, we've heard someone from either side
of the of the team of the other team, an
(40:19):
offense and a defensive player say they knew something was coming.
The Bills defensive back Harriston Maxwell Harriston said that they
knew what Xavier Worthy was going to do by it
based on his body language. And then Chris Jones said
that the Broncos were calling out the coverage or the
protection on that third and fifteen play, and.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
By the way, shut up, yes in both cases, right, well,
I don't know why you want to be outing your
your defensive coordinator that right, Yeah, I mean ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
You know we got you're out in your offense. I
mean he was saying that the Broncos knew what was
coming right now that the defense defense offense, It was yeah,
they were what defense? They say?
Speaker 6 (41:01):
You know that on that big play is like, well,
you know we got up there and that we had
a thing planning called and you could see the best
you can see is the left guard. The right guard
was pointing out where Nick Bolton was kind of trying
to sneak in there and take off or something. And
he says, yeah, they were calling out on that. They
changed it at the line. They were calling out the
protections on that third and fifteen play. So they figured
out what Steve Spagnola was going to bring, and the
(41:23):
Bills figured out.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
What one player was going to do at least. But
it seems like that script that the what any read
used to do is get guys open. You'd see, oh, wow,
that's what a play call. Oh look at that, what
are that play design? And now it's the same stuff,
and it leads you to think, you know, the opening
script was designed to set things up for later, but
it would still produce some points. And now it doesn't
(41:47):
do anything. It doesn't score points, and it doesn't seemingly
set things up for later because even when they get time,
Homes is like, well and wait a minute, and Chris
Jones he brought, he brought his best game of the
year to Denver. But then on their best last drive
he's on the sideline taking a blow. Yeah, and then
(42:09):
he lines up off side on the touchdown play he's
been he is that's turning into a you know, real
albatross that contract right now, Well, you look at the struggles.
All that being said, I think they're.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
Going to win.
Speaker 6 (42:23):
So yeah, yeah, you heard, you heard, you hear the
stat we I mentioned in the first hour I found
out for the betting purposes since nineteen ninety they're the
fifteenth team to be five hundred or worse this late
in the season and be favored against a team that
had an eight hundred winning percentage.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
You're better.
Speaker 6 (42:41):
The previous fourteen went fourteen to h straight up in
twelve oho and two against the spread, and so almost
everyone who knows the numbers is like, this set, this
is setting up for not only a Chiefs whim, but
a Chiefs cover. Now, I'm not that's a great thing
to look at, but the Chiefs weren't any of those fourteen. Well,
I think that, like Vegas, seems to know something about
(43:02):
this game that some people don't.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Well, if you want to feel not so great about
the Chiefs and the ability to finish the game. I
don't know if Sam McDowell mentioned if this is where
I got it. I don't know if he mentioned it
on this segment, But there are thirty nine quarterbacks who
have thrown enough passes to qualify for this category trailing
or tied in the fourth quarter. Thirty nine quarterbacks have
(43:25):
thrown enough passes to qualify. And Patrick Mahomes is dead
ass last, and it's.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Hard that won a game.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
That's not necessarily saying that it's all on him, but
when your bell cow is last in something that's difficult.
I think the key to this game is that the
Chiefs not having to win the game at the end,
having it comfortably. Colts maybe score to pull within a
score or something like that, but play from in front.
(43:54):
See they don't figure out a way to slow down
Jonathan Taylor enough. Daniel Jones will make a couple of
important mistakes, they'll play better, Chris Jones will play a
good game for a change, and I think it'll be
enough for a twenty six twenty win.
Speaker 6 (44:12):
Sam did mention that the chief Chiefs have you have
to win a game this year when they've trailed at
any point in the fourth quarter. That's a lot of games.
That's an unchief stat.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Right, especially with winning other one score games.
Speaker 6 (44:24):
They won five games, not one of them have they
been behind. Yeah, and they used to be like his
his record when trailing in the fourth quarter was like
it's on a different it should.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Be like you just spot the Chiefs. Just spotted teams
tend to nothing for fun, just for sport. Yeah, let's
see we can do this.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Yeah. Well, we'll be in Chiefs and Colts at noon
on Sunday. Curtis now will have the and Mark bow
Richtor as well. We'll have the pregame show and then
we will have the Red and Gold post game show
after that. Chiefs are favored. Curtis brought up the point
two that four teams that are five and five going
up against eight hundred winning percentage teams twelve oh to
two in those games, So you'd have to like the
(45:00):
Chief's chances. As we've said before, not just with the Chiefs,
but in a couple of games we've talked about, Vegas
is telling you something. Clearly, they're telling you something about
this game. You need to take a quick break. When
we come back. We'll wrap it up with Danny on
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and the soul of a musician and the rugged finess
Jack Johnson.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Well, I can tell you everywhere I've checked in, they've
always assumed it's because of the singer. And I very
much relate to the movie office space with Michael Bolton
that everywhere I go, it's that's my favorite song. Do
I play the guitar? Can I sing?
Speaker 5 (02:07):
I go?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Just because I have a very It's a very common
name when you think about it, right, Well, it's not
like Michael Bolton. No, Jack Johnson is a very common
first name, common last name. But if to answer your question.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
More common is the name Jack is becoming more of
a yes popular name name.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yeah, I know. I have three friends who have young
children were boys. Or is Jack? No? Nobody used to
be named Jack, and it's odd to think that.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
No, no, but.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
No, but they were named John. John Kennedy would be
the nick name. And now people are named Jack. I
wonder when that trend.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
When that changed?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Is your name Jack? Yeah? Not Jackson? And not John?
Speaker 5 (02:48):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Not Jack's No, not with an X. No, that's an
alter ego. Then if I, if I a little bit
more edgy, I probably go.
Speaker 7 (02:54):
By j X.
Speaker 8 (02:55):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I like the name Jack's actually Jack.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I think that's a good name.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
But answer your question, I guess I like your answer,
to be honest with you, a little bit of both. Right,
have the calming sense, the calming personality of the singer
out on the beach somewhere. But if I need to
turn it up a notch, I can always have the aggressiveness. Yeah,
some songs you could create from having those two personalities.
(03:21):
But no, Danny, glad you're in here, because man, do
we have a lot to cover, whether it be college basketball,
Darren Peterson not going to be in Vegas with KU
or at least playing in those games. K State in
action again tonight. PJ. Haggerty put up thirty seven against
Misissippi State. Missouri took care of business against South Dakota
Chiefs and Colts, and I would say, minutes before you
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sat down in that chair, the Royals and Jonathan India
avoided arbitration, settled on a one year deal worth eight million.
So maybe right out of the way, because it is
breaking news that just happened, let's go over this deal
with Jonathan India. We know the Royals are going to
have much bigger plans for this offseas and this will
probably be a very minor move they end up making.
(04:03):
But what would you have done if you were JJ Baccole.
Jonathan India was brought in to be the on bass guy,
the leadoff guy, and by the end of it, underperformed offensively,
underperformed defensively, underperformed in terms of health. I just wasn't
that durable for the team this year. Would you have
let him walk non tendered his contract or do you
feel that it's a fine move to say, hey, you
were banged up. We feel you can still be the
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twenty twenty four version of yourself and we want you
to be the opening day second baseman. I would have walked.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I like Jonathan India the person, but there's really nothing
in his career that screams out that he has to
be an everyday fine player. His career Ops is bolstered
by his rookieyear, which is his best year by far,
and since then he has been injured off and on.
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Ops has been in the mid seven hundreds in a
bandbox of a ballpark. That ops bolstered by home run power.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
He's not going to.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
See here, so and he's not a good fielder. He's
got some vers versatility, but he was completely uncomfortable when
they tried to use him in that type of role.
I think there's a lot of second basement types out
there that you could get who I think would be
every bit, if not better than And it's hard to
think of somebody that you j cronin worth or you know,
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he's expensive. But I mean there's probably seven or eight
guys that are possibilities around baseball and you probably think, well,
at the least they're going to perform to a Jonathan
India level and probably pick it better. So yeah, I
would have walked on him. I don't think it's the
worst thing in the world. It's eight million dollars. It's
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not a lot of money, but you know, you might
be able to get a four million dollar second basement.
So it's also I think probably a little bit of
a king against their organizational strength. You know, farm system
that there isn't some kind of middle infielder or utility
type player who can play one hundred games at second base.
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So long answer, the short answer is I would have walked.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I wonder too if this said more about you know,
you just want to raise the floor of some of
the positions out there. You know, in the outfield, they're
going to have to overhaul the group. I mean, you
want to give maybe a right handed bat for Jack
Kaglio and Wright. You of course want your big move
to be a left fielder, but at second base, the
options were on the roster Jonathan India or Michael Massey,
and Michael Massey last year didn't give you much confidence
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that you could give him that job and say we're
comfortable non tendering Jonathan India because we feel Michael mask
would be that guy. And who knows, maybe they bring
back Adam Fraser on a one year deal to give
him some depth. But uh, I mean clearly there has
to be sure was better than him like he was.
So is this a platoon situation where you say, well,
Jonathania due to durability and effectiveness at the plate and
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also poor defense. Is it where you go into the
year maybe bringing in someone like Adam Fraser or I
guess you can just do it with Michael Massey and
being a left hander where you bring him back to
get a platoon spot where Indy is just facing lefties
and Michael Massey or Adam Fraser is facing Righty's.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I think I'm always these days probably in favor of
a platoon. I think it's still underutilized, and I think
it's underutilized in baseball. I think, you know, I guess
Casey Stengele was the first one I really did it
extensively in baseball, and it's kind of gone in and
out of vogue. I think I'm just looking up his
splits here and his ops is almost identical in his career. So,
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but that doesn't mean that Massy could benefit by only
facing right handers. That would make Massey the primary second baseman.
I think that would be worth a shot at the
start because you probably want to unless you sign another
veteran right now, you would look at the roster and
say that they're both going to be on the team.
Maybe not, but so I think that would be a
(08:10):
good path to go. But I think i'd kind of
look around elsewhere and see if maybe you don't do
that now, or maybe you package Michael Massey with somebody
else in some kind of a trade where he would
be not a throw in piece, because I think he's
got better upside than that, but he would be an
additional piece in a trade.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
You know, we all know, and this can be our
last point here on the Royals because we got so
much to get into with you, Danny. We know that
the focus needs to be left field, we know, or
just an outfielder in general. They need to have an
impact bat and the way it's all lined up is
a corner outfield spot. And since they expect Jack cagleone
to be their right fielder, it does leave left field.
And the names out there that have been brought up constantly,
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Jared Duran in Boston, will your bray you in Boston?
Those are both left and right fielders. Taylor Ward was
an option he gets dealt to Baltimore for Grayson Rodriguez.
Joe Adell was an option with the Angels, but it
feels like it's unlikely they're going to move him now,
right because he's got the years of control. How much
would you be willing to give up? Because we know
the Royals have what a lot of teams are looking
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for and an abundance of starting pitching, But you don't
want to get too reckless with that where you're dealing
a bunch of pitchers, because that's what they ran into
last year is they didn't have enough depth. They had
seventy five year old Rich Hill throwing some games for them,
and big spots in a postseason chase. So if it
was for a Jaren Duran, or it was for a
Joe Adell or a Brendan Donovan, what would you be
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willing to give up? Because we know Bubich has been discussed,
we know Cameron and Reagans have been discussed. I doubt
they'd want to move Reagans, but it feels that Boobach
and Cameron are kind of those those hot topics, if
you will. If the Royals are to deal somebody, I
would deal.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
A significant pitcher for batting I mean it's the lineup
is submarining their ability to win. I mean, they pitched
excellently the last two years and they made the playoffs,
which was great, and then last year that was not
good enough because their offense was just awful for such
a long time. Improved a bit. It was pretty bad
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the year before, but came on towards the end of
the year. Yes, you're hitching your wagon too, the hope
that it was just a rough tutorial for Jack hagleone
and that he'll be at least a reasonable major league pitcher,
but I mean hit her. But yeah, I think the
lineup needs to be bolstered because I think that you're
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probably going to see another step backwards for Salvador Perez.
You don't want him as the middle of the bat
hitter on the team. I don't think you know, he
can't be hitting five. I don't think anymore, and I
think by the end of the year that would probably
will probably become obvious. But he's defied expectations over and
over and over again in his career. So but yeah,
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I think they have to be creative in doing something
about that lineup because it can just kill you. I mean,
you can have good pitching, a guy go out and
make a nice start, and a nice start these days
is you know, six innings and three runs and then
you're he leaves the game and you're losing three to
one at that point in time. So yeah, I would,
I'd be pretty aggressive in that regard.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
You know, I thought Cleveland did this so well for
a number of years. And even though they're not the
expectation or the bar for great offense because they didn't
have a good offense last year, but I always thought
they were so good about when they maximize value out
of a pitcher, they almost always flipped that guy for
offensive help. We saw it a couple of years back
when they dealt Mike Clevenger to the Podres to get
fran miil Rays and Josh Naylor. Then guys they eventually
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ended up flipping down the road as well. So when
you have an abundance of pitching, a surplus of pitching,
that's where you might need to strike and bring in
that offensive help because the free agent market just doesn't
look that favorable for the Royals this offseason. Jumping over
to college basketball, want to touch on all three you.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Wanted to say you warmed my heart by allowing me
to talk.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
About baseball for five minutes. Oh, you've on a cool
November day. You can always count on me for that.
I'm already eager for when pitchers and catchers report, but
we know we've just now begun the college basketball season.
Both k State and Missouri undefeated. K State in action
tonight at the T Mobile Center against Nebraska. Kansas will
be in action on Monday in the Players Era Tournament
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in Las Vegas. They are going to be doing so
without Darren Peterson, their star player. He continues to nurse
the hamstring injury. Bill self said today they're very close,
but with a three day, three game tournament, doesn't really
feel like the opportune time to work him back in.
So where are you at with this situation? Do you
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feel that, hey, he's just not going to play in
this tournament now and then their first game after that
is December two against Yukon, Or do you feel this
is turned into a much bigger issue where you don't
believe that it's as soon as Kansas is saying it is,
and it's more so of you just got to go
game by game and if he's available, he's available. But
as we we've seen the last couple of weeks, do
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you say he's close, you say he's almost back, and
then he's in street closed when it's all said and done.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
I think if you ask the Kansas fan two weeks
ago whether two weeks down the road they wouldn't have
seen Darren Peterson play, about ninety eight percent of them
would have said, no, way, we're going to see some
Darren Peterson. I mean, they've had significant games. I think
it's troubling right now, it's not I guess, and they'll
Let's face it, if you sign a great player like
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Darren Peterson, you know you're going to have him from
one one year. The hope is that he leads to
success in March. That's the ultimate goal. The ultimate goal
is not for him to play well enough that he
confirms that he's a number one player in the draft.
Puts up some gaudy numbers that you can look back on. Oh,
do you remember that night he scored forty one or whatever?
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You know, that's not really what you're there for. Does
anybody really care about the forty burger that Andrew Wiggins
put up while the team lost at West Virginia, you know.
I mean no, they don't. They remember that he sucked
in the round two and he was terrible in that
game and sleepwalk through it. So I was twenty feet
away watching him sachet around the court. So it's not
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the worst thing in the world. But to me, it
sounds like it's kind of chronic because they are really
worried about putting a eighty nine percent player out there.
If these were three individual games, the next three games
against good opponents and they weren't potentially in a three
games and four nights, would that be different. I don't
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think there's any way for us to know there's not.
Do you think December second, who were saying in the
last hour the home game, it's a week from next
Tuesday against your.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I don't think you can target anything, right.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
I'm saying, if he doesn't play in that game, if
they get ready for yukon eight o'clock on December second,
and ah, he's just not ready. He's getting close. Does
that to me seems like an inflection point where I'm
right there, I'm right there now. I'm there now. But
there's at least like a tangible, believable reason while we
got these three games in three days, blah blah blah blah.
If he has this entire week off and then comes
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back after that, isn't there on the eighth or on
the second? That's when to me, I go all right.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
This he well, do you want to get your clock
cleaned at home by Yukon? That was fabulous to watch
game between Arizona and Yukon. Yu Gun wasn't even at
their best. And there's nothing worse than a pissed off
Bobby Hurley, you know, coaching his team, and if you're
out there with Darren Peterson, you're gonna lose. We've seen it.
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I've seen it against hide quality opposition. I thought the
rest of the team played borderline heroically in the game
against Duke. I thought those guys played as as well
as I think they can, and they fought.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
But you know, when do you? When do we?
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I think Sarn said it the other day, Is this
the first time that before the game said this is
this the first time we could actually see a moral
victory for Kansas? Yeah, in a twelve point loss, I'd
say that game was, But that's not a I'm not
saying that's a good sign to me. That's a bad sign.
I think the rest of the crew looked like the
rest of the crew, and they played well. But if
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that's the rest of the crew for any length of time,
at some point the book will get out and that
rest of the crew you're not getting thirty seven from
no council and no you're not white. But I guess
the reason why I mean the second is I could
see a situation where Bill self has examined the situation,
gone all right, December seconds to day, we're gonna say
his weak to weakest game to game, but December second
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is the day we're just gonna make sure he's ready.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Then I would say that's the hope. If you get
to that point and he's not there, then it's it
could be.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah, I guess that would just raise you know, my
temperature from which is high now I'm light, like it
be in the concern level. If it's one to ten,
I'm eight, right. Ham strings are funny, Yeah, And if
he just tweaked it, he'd be playing by now it's not,
it's worse. So I yes, I think it's more of
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an issue than probably people would want it to be.
But March is a long way from now and if
and if the whole goal is to just to make sure,
and of course there are I don't buy it. But
I think there's concerns from a lot of people in
the Kansas fan base that this is, you know, he
doesn't really want to play a lot this year, that
this is just a waystation. And but you know what,
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there's no that's there's no exceptions to that. Now the
man is getting paid. He's a professional player who's on salary.
Do your job, if you can really do your job.
I mean it's literally do your job. They didn't you know,
he's not been paid per game. I don't think his
clock in right, I mean, how many hours you got
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four and a half get dinged a game? Check? If
one of these times you know he's getting paid, so
I did's a whole new ballgame. Well.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I do think the misconception two was with fans out
there that do believe, you know, if they are at
that point of you know, he's sitting out because he's
wanted to, you know, protect his draft stock if you will.
I think the misconception is that hurts your draft stock, right,
I would agree with you, Yeah, it's your your plumber
players are going to look at it and like, oh,
is this what we're gonna deal with. Yeah, a guy
who's got a cranky hamstring all the time. I'm not
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going to pick him number one. I mean, he's not
a big man either, or he's not a you know,
one of these six ten freak goal players. Yeah, look
at aj Debantsa, at Byu.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
He's out there, he's playing, he's dominating, right.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I don't I do believe that he wants to be
out there. I feel this is more soviy. You look
at the roster for Kansas and the goal after the
last two years, you get bounced in the round of
thirty two, even though that game against Sandford they arguably
could have been bounced due to that foul call on
Nicholas Timberlake, so it could have been back to back year.
As a first round exits, you can't make a deep
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run in March. Doubt him, which is why in November
last year's team was seven to zero wins against Michigan State,
wins against Duke, wins against North Carolina, and I believe
they went fourteen and thirteen or something the rest of
the way. I mean, if you peak in November, you
peak in November. There's nothing you can do about it.
But this feels like a team where Bill Soeff and
the coaching staff are playing the long game of we
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don't care if you're ninety seven percent going into Vegas.
We don't care if you're you know, going in the
Duke game, if you were close to one hundred. There's
no need to rush this. And do you buy the
fact of if you want to be that eternal optimist,
they are getting value out of not having him in
games like this, so that these guys who are the
supporting cast have to learn how to play without him.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Well, I think what they've learned right now is that
they're not good enough. I mean, how does that help you?
Oh geez, when we play against Duke in North Carolina,
it ain't close. So to me, that's and that's a
you know, that's a ding too. I've seen some impressive
looking squads out there so far. Because these big boys
with nil and with a reputation and with high powered coaches,
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they can put together teams that start to more resemble
the teams we used to see back in the day.
Mm hm. You know, because you do have the one
and Dun's they're there, And you know, there used to
be teams where the night there that the Kansas championship game. Okay,
there wasn't a superstar NBA player on that team, but
there was NBA talent all over the floor, all over
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the bench. You just don't see that too often anymore.
And now I've seen teams that look like that. Arizona
looks like an NBA team. I was watching the game
with you, kind of like, look, how big all these
guys aren't know? I mean, it looked like you were
in a time capsule that I'd been transported a few
years ahead when everybody on the floor in college basketball
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is at least six foot seven, and so I make
the court bigger. So you got to turn the lights
on in that Bahama place. By the way, that's not
that game, but it was another game I was watching,
and it's like Scott Van Pelt said, seems like they
used all the lights in the casino.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
That's good, which is good. Yeah, Well, it will be
Kansas in Vegas and the Players Era Tournament next Monday
two thirty, tip off against Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Again.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
They'll be without Darren Peterson. I want to touch on
k State two because I thought they were. They have been,
let's just put it that way. Maybe not defensively, but offensively.
This is one of the best scoring teams in the
country and they've been led by PJ. Haggert. He put
up thirty seven last night. I believe right now he
is the leading scorer in the country. I mean, he's
averaging close to thirty points a game. He was so
incredibly effective last night, thirteen to twenty one. They dominated
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the Mississippi State team that was a two point favorite
going in, and now tonight they're going to get Nebraska Daniel.
I thought last year that was the issue with that
k State team. They were an expensive team. Coleman Hawkins
was out there, Doug McDaniel was out there, Brendan Howsen,
but they just couldn't put it together offensively. But you
look at this group and maybe it's this is a
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great five game stretch for them. The shots are falling,
whether it be inside the paint or outside. I mean,
they've been brilliant shooting it from deep. They were really
good defensively last night, I thought, especially when they pulled
away in the second half. But if you get PJ.
Haggerty playing like this, I've always thought with Jerome Tang,
you give him that point guard that best resembles Marquise Noel.
That is not just a tournament team, that's a team
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that can make a deep run into March. So is this, say,
a case of man, they're just really hot right now
they're playing favorable competition, or is this a sign of
things to come where we need to start taking Case
States seriously. As a top six team in the Big
twelve and one that's not on the bubble, they should
firmly be expected to be in the in the tournament
come March. I'm not quite there yet. I'm starting to
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be convinced that the improved defense last night a little
bit was something for me, because they just flat out
scored people, and you know, they barely won a game
they were supposed to win by a bunch. So and
they have been ridiculously hot. They're shooting over fifty percent
from three point range. I mean, you're not they're not
going to do that, Okay, I'll just check in. That's
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almost a swim to the you know, swim the Caribbean
for me. But j yes, So I'm still there's enough
good games, including tonight for me for me to still
wait and see on them a little bit because the
results have been so you know, keep it over the
last couple of years. But you can ride a great
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score to a fine season. I mean the last this
is just reminiscent of having Michael Beasley. But this guy's
got the ball in his hands, uh just about all
the time.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
So uh, I think they're fun. You know what, the
team K State teams the last couple of years, they
they weren't very good, but they also weren't very fun
to watch, and that's a bad combination. So at least
they're fun so far. And I think Missouri Missouri to me,
has looked better so but you know, they don't play
in the same league, so it doesn't really matter right now.
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But if I was going to pick one team I
like better, I would say probably Missouri right now. But
I think their competition is also going to be a
little stiffer, although the Big twelve is going.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
To be good, Yeah, incredibly good. I mean they might
have been. This might be one of the more impressive
starts league wide.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Three of the top six teams in the poll, and
yeah another one at eleven or twelve. Right, there's just
more teams in the SEC. That's that's surely problem. But yeah,
it looks like it's a great year in the league.
I mean, like I said, Arizona looks great. There's some
really good it'll be some fantastic games every week.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Yeah, And if you, like I said, if Kansas isn't
up to speed and Peterson isn't going to play, they're
going to take some road whoopings in this league. Now
we're gonna be looking at let's look back at the
media guy exactly. See when the last time was this happened? Right, Well,
we already have done that already. You know how the
points spread in the last game. So yeah, but I
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think it's it makes for good interest at a time
of the year where we shouldn't yet be College basketball
should not be played till after Thanksgiving. But that ship
has really sailed. I mean by three weeks, you're in
exhibitions before Halloween. I know, I don't understand why you
wants as an entertainment product athletic director, money making entity,
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want to put your two prime entertainments up against each other. Yeah,
I mean, so they're playing games on Saturday afternoons.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I don't either anyway.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Well, if you are, I mean, for a number of years,
if you were a Kansas fan, you probably wanted football
to start in basketballmber you did because yeah, you didn't
want you didn't care if it was you know, five
exhibition games. You would just rather basketball get going now.
But as of right now, I mean, kay, you has
Iowa State tomorrow at eleven am. They're still needing one
more win for bleligibility. Same thing for Kansas State. They'll
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be in Salt Lake against Utah and Missouri or Todd
lebo is actually going to be down there at the
game Missouri and Oklahoma. Real quickly, it's touched on these
three games, and then we'll go to the final thirty
minutes on the Chiefs and the Colts. Looking in this
first game here Kansas and Iowa State, they're going to
be an Ames. They've won the last three years against
the Cyclones. Is this a case of Look, Kansas had
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their chance last week against Arizona. They've had chances in
the year to grab that six to win, and now
you're going into Ames Jack Trice Stadium and then Utah
at the end of the year. This will be another
five and seven finish and k you will have nobody
to blame but itself because of those late game blunders,
bad play calls, poor coaching decisions. Is that what it's
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going to be shaping out to be? Or do you
feel that tomorrow KU is going to make it four
straight and they'll be able to take some pressure off
their shoulders for next Friday where they get Utah on
Senior Day.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Well, obviously, if Saren was sitting in that chair, he'd
say that Vegas knows something because I can't believe the
betting line is as low as it is. I don't
like this game at all for Kansas at all. I
thought that Iowa State found a little something and you know,
a fairly unlikely win TCU. They had to pull it
out with a punt return whatever. But they I think
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they have a bounce in their step. They won their
game before they'reby you know, they they and they still
have something to play for in a disappointing season to
kind of say, you know, we could still go win
eight games.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
That's okay.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
So and Kansas said, you know, their defense was a
little bit better, but Jalen Daniels hasn't thrown for two
hundred yards and the last four games, they haven't scored
more than twenty one points in the last five games.
I don't see it, so I think they did miss
their opportunity. So they're because that's a no go against Utah.
I don't thah.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
No.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
It feels that this has to be their opportunity. The
only way if you were a Kansas fan that you
wanted to squint and see something. I feel the style
of play which Iowa State goes at. They they're slolose,
they keep you close, they're a little bit slower rock
go back, and they're incredibly banged up. That's a bad
case for them as well. But Kansas, they're banged up.
Daniel Heishaw was on the injury report questionable for this game,
(27:56):
not sure if he's going to be good to go.
That running back room has been banged up all sea
and long. And for Kansas, the only way you really
win this game, in my opinion, you got to win
the turnover battle. They have not been great at forcing
turnovers and they've had that bad turnover when you just
can't have it. Kickoff will be at eleven am, and
that should be after your quick college game day tomorrow,
(28:16):
so Kansas and Iowa State a ye morning kickoff tomorrow
in Ames. They'll be looking for that sixth win to
be boeligible and look to beat the Cyclones for the
fourth consecutive year. Kansas State, we just touched on Utah
a little bit. They're coming off of their victory. It
was ugly, muddied up in still Water. But to me,
at this point in the season where both these schools
are at, you just need six wins. I'm not sure
(28:39):
that blowing anybody out really gives you much more confidence
or a better feeling about how your season is gone.
But if there was any win to make you feel
better about closing out your year, because Case State's got
Colorado in Manhattan to wrap up the season, beating Utah
in Salt Lake would go a long way in doing that.
But do you see as the Wildcats being a seventeen
(28:59):
and a half point an underdog in this game any
world in which they have their game of the year
and they go in and be a top fifteen team
like Utah in the altitude that is Salt Lake.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
What's the little SoundBite we play in the bumpers on
this program when Bill self says hell no, hell no,
Hell no to that question. They've averaged fifty a game
in their wins in the Big Twelve. They've scored at
least forty five in every game except the game against
the top two teams Texas Tech and Brigham Young. The
(29:35):
goal to me for Kansas State in this game is
not get a bunch of injuries for the last game
and don't get embarrassed playing and simple. I don't even
need to go into any more detail.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Hell no, in case State is ravaged right now injury wise,
and I leave that played a factory's some people. Yeah,
make sure you get the win against Colorado. Yeah, it's
just been an odd year for the cas but they
should be able to grab that six win, assuming they're
not just even more banged up than they already are
against Colorado. I mean, that's the Colorado team that just
(30:07):
really doesn't have much to play for. They'll have a
freshman quarterback in in that game. But that kickoff tomorrow
will be at two thirty, I believe. So the Cats
are seventeen and a half point underdog. Utah has been
red hot and they need their final two games and
then some to get into the Big Twelve title game
for a rematch against highly motive NFL caliber team like
Texas Tech. It appears to be so. And before our
(30:28):
break here, I want to get your thoughts in Miszoo
and Oklahoma the best game of the three.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
I can do it.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Kyle, by the way, I didn't do it Miszoon on him. Yeah, no,
it's on me. You can blame me Missoo and Oklahoma.
You've got a twenty second ranked Tigers team against a
top ten Oklahoma team coming off the winn in Tuscaloosa
against Alabama. How do you see this one playing out?
It'll be Matt Zohlers again in this game from a
Zoo Oklahoma riding the high, beating Alabama trying to get
(30:54):
in the college football playoffs. There chance the Tigers pull
off the upset here against the Sooners.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I'm not going to go all the way to the
previous comment, but I'm not far away either. His allars
looks like he's just They have to hope he isn't terrible.
Hardy's probably going to have trouble. I'm even talking about duplicating.
You know, He's got to run for at least one
point fifty in this game for them to have a
chance and what chance do I think he has of
(31:22):
doing that?
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Not much.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
I don't like the game at all. Oklahoma's offense isn't
very good, so that that can keep you in the game,
But I don't see they can play d I don't
see a scenario where Missouri gets to above fourteen. If
you can win thirteen to ten, so be it. But
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
So it sounds like Danny's got the local schools going
h to three. But let's hope, Dan, let's hope I'm wrong.
Let's hope not only that you're wrong, but let's hope
your prediction for the Chiefs is on the positive side
of things here. So even though he went along, let's
take a break here, come back, wrap it up with
Danny with the Chiefs and the Colts kicking off at
noon on Sunday. You're listening to the program Sports Radio
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Speaker 6 (35:07):
All right the Nick and Jake's end of the our answer,
who is the only team to go to the Super
Bowl after a five and six start?
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Giants?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Was that Cardinals team?
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Like, let's just cut you off with the pass. Three
teams have made it at six and five, the eighty eight,
forty nine Ers, the one Pats, and the eleven Giants
you're referring to. This team was five and six, they
finished nine and seven, won two road games in the postseason,
(35:46):
and we're leading in the fourth quarter before falling to
a heavy playing with the backup quarterback who played they
lost the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Yeah, just get to the Super Bowl playing to the
backup quarterback who applied his trade largely in the Big Eight.
That'll give you an era. I'm not.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Once, I once, I lost the Giant.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
I get it. The nineteen seventy nine Los Angeles Rams
or five and six, and they managed to win a
couple of games in the postseason on the road, were
leading the Pittsburgh Steelers in the fourth quarter and then,
as John Facenda said, great teams aren't always great, They're
just great when they have to be. And they were,
(36:28):
and they.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Three times.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
The Steelers won Super Bowl games because they completed very unlikely.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Long passes twice against the Cowboys. And this game also.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Got a pass interference play right in the Cowboy game
and Kansas older Kansas fans will probably have been rooting
hard for Los Angeles because Nolan Cromwell was All Pro
safety on that team, and I think he was involved
with the play, almost had a pick six. The big
the big pass over the middle of the top that
they hit for Stalwarts was on Rod Perry, right, who
(37:05):
wasn't his fault? Somebody was supposed to be the safety
is supposed to go over there, and he got burnt.
But yeah, Cromwell almost had a pick six in that
game as Pittsburgh was driving for a score and it
was right in his hands and he's, oh, it was
nothing but green in front of him. So if great,
back back when the Rams said nice uniforms, if great
teams don't have to be great all the time, they
just have to be great at the most important times,
(37:27):
is that the Kansas.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
City Chiefs exactly what I was going to ask this
s Well.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
First of all, what I'm going to say is that
if you know I'm a I'm a Chiefs observer. I'm
not a fan, So this helps me in this regard.
I would be pissed at the Chiefs this week. Where
was all this stuff about this being a big game
and you know, we're focused now where like last week
(37:54):
with a nine year divisional streak on the line against
the Broncos, who can put you to bed in the
AFC West, and you come out like that, I mean,
it's a bad combination for the Chiefs. I'm still picking
the Chiefs. I'm an idiot. I'm picking the Chiefs Sunday.
But I can't really make a solid case for it.
The Chiefs start slow, they finish slow. That's a bad combination.
(38:16):
The middle is where they're piling up all the stats
that we talked about. Oh, there are still top ten
in offense and their top ten and defense and whatever.
But if you just come out like it's a you know,
you're going to a picnic every week, and then you
can't finish games, you're gonna lose.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
Yeah, And they've also largely piled those numbers up against
three in three games, one against only one against a
really good team Detroit. You know, they piled up of
their seventy three point margin, they fifty two of those
came against e.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
They have won a good win this year, the Lion
of the Lions, I mean the Ravens laar get hurt.
I think they were gonna win that game anyway, but
they certainly won. Weren't gonna win it impressively now and
the Ravens quit, Yes, And.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
I'll say I'm not quite as a surprised by the
lack of urgency because I didn't really hear it from
the players or coaches last week. You know, we're we're
up for every game. You know, we don't we treat
I think I said this last hour. I think they
feel like if they say, yes, this is a huge game,
it makes people think, well, you don't think last week
was big or the week after that was big. So
(39:19):
they want to say, you know we we we treat
every game like you know, the same, like it's a
playoff game.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
We want to win every week. They don't want to
say that they don't, so I don't really that's how
they really get, don't. I don't know that they necessarily
did go into that game. To your point, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
They Well, how do you not?
Speaker 4 (39:33):
I think that I don't really care what they say, yeah,
because I mean it's what they do, right, I'm not
going to be shocked if the Colts are up ten
to nothing in this game, even if the Chiefs come
back to win. For whatever reason. For three years now,
even you know, Chiefs were still a fine team and
went to the Super Bowl last year, they just don't
seem to want to jump anybody, right, Come on? Is
(39:57):
it that they don't want to or they maybe the
out they can't because I would for a long time,
I'm thinking a long time, I'm thinking they don't they're
just not prepared to. They're they're not ready to. Yeah,
maybe now they're not capable of it. In each of
their last two games, we've heard someone from either side
of the of the team of the other team, an
(40:19):
offense and a defensive player say they knew something was coming.
The Bills defensive back Harriston Maxwell Harriston said that they
knew what Xavier Worthy was going to do by it
based on his body language. And then Chris Jones said
that the Broncos were calling out the coverage or the
protection on that third and fifteen play, and.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
By the way, shut up, yes in both cases, right, well,
I don't know why you want to be outing your
your defensive coordinator that right, Yeah, I mean ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
You know we got you're out in your offense. I
mean he was saying that the Broncos knew what was
coming right now that the defense defense offense, It was yeah,
they were what defense? They say?
Speaker 6 (41:01):
You know that on that big play is like, well,
you know we got up there and that we had
a thing planning called and you could see the best
you can see is the left guard. The right guard
was pointing out where Nick Bolton was kind of trying
to sneak in there and take off or something. And
he says, yeah, they were calling out on that. They
changed it at the line. They were calling out the
protections on that third and fifteen play. So they figured
out what Steve Spagnola was going to bring, and the
(41:23):
Bills figured out.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
What one player was going to do at least. But
it seems like that script that the what any read
used to do is get guys open. You'd see, oh, wow,
that's what a play call. Oh look at that, what
are that play design? And now it's the same stuff,
and it leads you to think, you know, the opening
script was designed to set things up for later, but
it would still produce some points. And now it doesn't
(41:47):
do anything. It doesn't score points, and it doesn't seemingly
set things up for later because even when they get time,
Homes is like, well and wait a minute, and Chris
Jones he brought, he brought his best game of the
year to Denver. But then on their best last drive
he's on the sideline taking a blow. Yeah, and then
(42:09):
he lines up off side on the touchdown play he's
been he is that's turning into a you know, real
albatross that contract right now, Well, you look at the struggles.
All that being said, I think they're.
Speaker 5 (42:23):
Going to win.
Speaker 6 (42:23):
So yeah, yeah, you heard, you heard, you hear the
stat we I mentioned in the first hour I found
out for the betting purposes since nineteen ninety they're the
fifteenth team to be five hundred or worse this late
in the season and be favored against a team that
had an eight hundred winning percentage.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
You're better.
Speaker 6 (42:41):
The previous fourteen went fourteen to h straight up in
twelve oho and two against the spread, and so almost
everyone who knows the numbers is like, this set, this
is setting up for not only a Chiefs whim, but
a Chiefs cover. Now, I'm not that's a great thing
to look at, but the Chiefs weren't any of those fourteen. Well,
I think that, like Vegas, seems to know something about
(43:02):
this game that some people don't.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Well, if you want to feel not so great about
the Chiefs and the ability to finish the game. I
don't know if Sam McDowell mentioned if this is where
I got it. I don't know if he mentioned it
on this segment, But there are thirty nine quarterbacks who
have thrown enough passes to qualify for this category trailing
or tied in the fourth quarter. Thirty nine quarterbacks have
(43:25):
thrown enough passes to qualify. And Patrick Mahomes is dead
ass last, and it's.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Hard that won a game.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
That's not necessarily saying that it's all on him, but
when your bell cow is last in something that's difficult.
I think the key to this game is that the
Chiefs not having to win the game at the end,
having it comfortably. Colts maybe score to pull within a
score or something like that, but play from in front.
(43:54):
See they don't figure out a way to slow down
Jonathan Taylor enough. Daniel Jones will make a couple of
important mistakes, they'll play better, Chris Jones will play a
good game for a change, and I think it'll be
enough for a twenty six twenty win.
Speaker 6 (44:12):
Sam did mention that the chief Chiefs have you have
to win a game this year when they've trailed at
any point in the fourth quarter. That's a lot of games.
That's an unchief stat.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Right, especially with winning other one score games.
Speaker 6 (44:24):
They won five games, not one of them have they
been behind. Yeah, and they used to be like his
his record when trailing in the fourth quarter was like
it's on a different it should.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Be like you just spot the Chiefs. Just spotted teams
tend to nothing for fun, just for sport. Yeah, let's
see we can do this.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
Yeah. Well, we'll be in Chiefs and Colts at noon
on Sunday. Curtis now will have the and Mark bow
Richtor as well. We'll have the pregame show and then
we will have the Red and Gold post game show
after that. Chiefs are favored. Curtis brought up the point
two that four teams that are five and five going
up against eight hundred winning percentage teams twelve oh to
two in those games, So you'd have to like the
(45:00):
Chief's chances. As we've said before, not just with the Chiefs,
but in a couple of games we've talked about, Vegas
is telling you something. Clearly, they're telling you something about
this game. You need to take a quick break. When
we come back. We'll wrap it up with Danny on
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I don't know if i'd see you in studio at all.
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