December 26, 2025 • 45 mins
Danny's on vacation but still checking in as he joins Leabo and Kurtis. The Chiefs at least put up a fight....on defense anyway, the stadium move and ramifications, trivia fun, and lots of of other fun. Happy Holidays and join in!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 4 (00:36):
Welcome back into the program. On this day after thanks Ivan,
we like to call it Boxing Day when Danny Clinkscale
is coming on, it would be Unleashed.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Did you just say things after Thanksgiving?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Did I say thanks to you?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I think you did well. It's Christmas, folks.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
It's Christmas. That's how bad this day.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Danny's played both games both days.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
They did play both games both days. It's Boxing Day,
which is the day after Christmas. It's a big soccer day, Danny.
That's what you like about this day, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Yeah, Ectuist, they're only playing one game game on Boxing
Day today, which is surprising. There's a bunch of games tomorrow.
So yes, I'm very happy that the Elliptical and my
gym here at Hilton Head has USA Network so I
will be watching some soccer games tomorrow and maybe this
afternoon if I'm not out and about. So yeah, Boxing
Day is a cool tradition. Basically, it's the people who
(01:22):
were rich would leave a few things so the people
who are not so rich the day after Christmas in
a box. That's what it's called boxing.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Very nice, and it is that day after Christmas, not Thanksgiving.
Because I've been so confused on this weird chief schedule
and all that stuff and so many holidays. Let's talk
about those Chiefs. They put on a representative efforts to
try to win a football game last night at Went Stadium.
On one side, they just don't have much going on.
Offense is a little rough. First off, do you think
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they approached this game better than the last one? I
know the last one was a little tough because you
have the quarterback hurt right in the beginning of the game.
But did they look like a better team time than
last I think the result of losing is great for
the fans because they want a better draft pick. But
I thought last night wasn't so bad.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
No, I don't think it was so bad. I'll get
into the park that I do think is kind of
bad and worrisome, but not particularly but still worrisome. Yeah,
they put What I'm happy about is there are probably
a lot of people out there who have not often
attended a game at Arrowhead, maybe their friends that didn't
want to go, and nobody really Maybe two weeks ago
they figured, well, the weather's going to suck. I'll put
(02:30):
a such stocking suffer in my friend Joe. And then
it turns out to be seventy degrees. But so I
was glad there was a representative game. Now wasn't the
most exciting game because Chiefs have I mean, that was
a remarkably awful offensive performance. I just don't even understand
anybody who's like talking about potentially Chris Oladukan, you know,
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being something. Yeah he led a thirty yard drive.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yeah, a couple of yeah yeah, But.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
I mean you threw for fifty yards. He didn't look
particularly comfortable. I think that's the bad part. But the
defensive effort was great. I mean, let's face that, Denver
completely dominated the game and probably should have won it
more handily, but they did not, and that's to the
Chiefs credit. So I thought it was the I did
think it was good and I was happy for the
fans who went out there that they got to see
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a game where the Chiefs had a chance all the
way down to the last handful of seconds.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah, you know, it is thirteen and a half point underdog.
They have not been like that at home since the seventies.
There were some times in the some of the bad
years who they were pretty big dogs. But you know,
I thought, I thought they did all right now. I
think I know. Another part that you may think was
bad was allowing four drives of fourteen plays or whatever.
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I mean, they had some guys hurd on defense, but
they still had Chris Jones and Charles A. Minnihue and
George karloft As and Nick Bolt. They had a lot
of guys.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Seven was pretty healthy.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Pretty healthy, and they just couldn't get off the field
a whole bunch of times. Okay, I guess you know.
But that's the part I thought was the worst part
about the Tennessee game is that Tennessee's offense was terrible
and they moved the ball against the Chiefs. And it
was a little rough watching last night because every time
it got to third and whatever, you're like, well, they're
going to get a first down, they're definitely going to
get a first down. So still disappointing on the defensive
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side that they couldn't do a little bit better. They
limited them points wise, but man, they had the ball
for forty minutes.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
They did, and you know that's the downside of it.
But still they allowed twenty points and you can't really
complain about giving up twenty points. And you know the
last seven were with just a couple of minutes to go.
Now that's not a good thing either. That when push
came to shove, they were able to drive the ball
down the field, in part thanks to Chris Jones, who
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it's just mind boggling Chris Jones has done on a
few occasions this year. Like concern more is what's going
on on offense, because okay, the Chiefs have a bunch
of injuries, there's no doubt about it, a lot, and
they don't have that Groomes who is one of the injuries.
But there are a lot of NFL teams that go
out there with a similar situation, you know, offensive line
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down left and right, second or third string quarterback, and
they look better than that. So Andy Reid doesn't seem
to you know, maybe the adjustment is too start for
him to try and come up with a plan that
fits what he has. But I think that's a little
bit concerning.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I mean, that was dreadful, or maybe we saw to
the degree that Patrick Mahomes taped things together for the
Chiefs this year. It's just been amazing to watch this
offense not be able to do what almost any offense
should be able to do, regardless of who's playing quarterback.
I'm looking at this laugh and looked this up last night.
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The Chiefs are the fourteenth team since the merger, and
just the fifth since nineteen seventy eight to gain fewer
than one hundred and forty yards back to back games.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Yeah, they've They've have two hundred and seventy three yards
total in the last two games, five.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Points scored in December, and one of those was against
a two win team. Yeah, and two of those games
with the forty five points, Patrick Mahomes played the entire
game until the very very end.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Right.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
And so the last three years the offense has been fifteenth, fifteenth,
and now it's twentieth. But say, let's let's give him seventeenth.
When Patrick Mahomes was in there, fifteenth fifteenth and seventeenth
with Patrick Mahomes. That's not good. That is not good.
And I think that some of the Chiefs offensive players
probably get a real pass because they played with Patrick
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Mahomes if these you know, they had about a three
or four game window where they had all those weapons
in there and they didn't look so good. You know,
where was the Where was the fury we were supposed
to see when Hollywood Brown and Isaiah Worthy and Roshie
Rice were all out there at the same time, Travis
Kelcey being a complimentary piece, Where was the it was?
(07:01):
Those guys should kind of be looking in the mirror
right now.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, it's I'll say this. They had no Rashi Rice
last night. He's on my r now and he's probably
their best wide receiver to do lots of things, so
they didn't have him. But Xavier Worthy, no question, has
made a tremendous step back this year. Again last night,
standing out of bounds on a play.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Continues to drop not unaway, inextinctual, unextinctual as you could
possibly be.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Not good, and they continued listen, give Isaiah a checko
and Kareem hunt the ball. I guess they're never going
to give Brishard Smith carries. Okay, fine, he doesn't look
like a running back to me either. Okay, not really.
Maybe he'll play against the Raiders next week. But Worthy
has not been good, and Hollywood Brown's been an absolute waste.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
You know, I've said this numerous times, and I think
it's true. If if Hollywood Brown's name was Phil Brown,
nobody would think he's any good, right, I mean, he
has done nothing to be Hollywood Brown except have a name.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Period. Yeah, it's it's you watch those the replays of
the offense, and it's usually after this year's been after
a play where Patrick Mahomes dropped back and looked and
looked and looked and couldn't find anybody, and you get
that kind of son of drone shop, you know, that
one that kind of hovers over the field and on
almost every time, there's four guys in the pattern and
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nobody's open. Everyone's everyone's got a guy plasted on them
or they're standing there. Maybe it's time to go try
to find wide receivers who can you know, get wide,
separate open, actually get open. Guys who run routes and
find open space. They don't seem to have anybody in
that job who can actually do that well.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And last night there was no one who could make
a contested catch. Rashid Rice kind of can, but they
don't have that guy, and they haven't had that guy.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And the last one that it's Hollywood Brown's not going
up that high.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
No, no, you know he's probably made the balls on target.
Hollywood Brown in his two years is made like two plays.
He had a really nice catch at the end of
that Cowboys game. And that's when you can remember, like
the one play a guy made and he was hurt
a lot last year. But that's not good. No, not good.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
No, it's not good. And what I would say is that, yes,
Andy Reid's offense is based on a lot of option routes,
you know, trusting your wide receivers to read the situation,
guys on the inside leverage, you go this way. Whatever,
Well that creates that warrants a lot of trust from
the wide receiver, and they seem to have a bunch
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of guys who are not very good at that. So
maybe in an adjustment, if this is who you're going
to war with, maybe they have to have these guys
run routes. Like you said, Curtis actually run specific pass
routes to a certain spot. That's not what Andy Reid
really likes to do. But maybe they're going to have
to do that because they probably are going to have
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a very similar receiving corps. They don't seem to think
that Royal is any good, and they'll probably draft another
wide receiver, but boy, they're going to have a high
pick this time. And if they don't pick an edge rusher,
they're out of their minds.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
And the other thing they might need to do, which
is we've kind of this discussion has been growing over
the past weeks, is almost I think everyone says, well,
he needs to tweak his passing system, his offensive system.
I think they need to completely tear it down and
rebuild it. Now it may look like a lot like
it does now because the guy building it's the same guy,
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But it seems like more and more this year they
run the stuff they used to run, and defenders are
just standing there waiting for him, like they've now read
what the Chiefs do with certain formations, and even the
options seemingly are are sniffed out, and there's always somebody
that they're jumping routes like crazy this year, there's.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
No question about that. And like you say, when you
see the you know, behind the quarterback shots, Patrick Mahomes
probably in the past has been somebody he wants to
be someone who sees the guy open more than some
quarterbacks do. Some quarterbacks are willing to throw the ball
into harm's way. They are Patrick Malmes has not been
that guy. And if you're going to have Patrick Malmes,
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who that's kind of in his DNA, then you're going
to have to get some guys who are going to
you know, plant a foot drive and get to a
certain spot.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yeah, very very rarely is anyone just open. Like every
time last night when it was third down or whatever,
and or maybe even second down long when the Chiefs
would have a successful defensive play, Bo Nicks would drop
back and then, oh, well there's a guy who's just open,
you know, right middle field, just open. No One around
two or.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Three are not necessarily a name guy. Little Jordan Humphrey is.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Little Jordan open. And they also, you know, listen, if
they had have caught the ball better, there were a
couple plays early in the game that would have that
game would have gotten really out of hand. You know,
Courtland Sutton almost caught the one ball just really close,
and those are really hard catches. He didn't get a
lot of help last night. Bo next and they had
some drops, they had some things. Anyway, whatever, they lost
the game. Let's talk a little bit about the defensive side, Danny,
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because we mentioned Chris Jones jumping off sides, and you know,
when you think about these things as well, like I
mentioned Hollywood Brown, I can only think of one thing
he's done in two years. I can think of a
handful of things Chris Jones has done in high leverage
situations this year that are just unforgivable. Really, jumping off
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sides last night, lining up off sides after a timeout
was called. Yeah, in a game.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
In which he was lining up so obviously that the
referee had his hand on the flag before the ball
was snapped.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah. So they come back and then he's in exactly
exact same.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Spot, standing there and watching Jacksonville score a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
And uh, you know the first play or first game
of the year, when he when he clearly didn't do
his job and ran inside and allowed Justin Herbert to
run for twenty yards on a third and fifteen. You know,
so those are bad things to have happened for someone
who's supposed to be your guy.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And by the way, last night, you was pretty clear
when you watch the replay the Broncos weren't going to
stamp the ball because the minute he moves into the
zone that the one lineman just launches himself across the line,
because there it is. We got it. And I would
bet that ninety five was the guy they were keying on.
But as soon as he moved, he was it's really
good and they were ready for that.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
How do you get jumped on a cadence when I
don't know if bon Nicks was doing it because he
wasn't lined up a quarterback, I'm not sure who was
who was saying hike? I mean you got the running
back back there? Anyways, Yeah, they I'll say this that
they only kicked up.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Was all you had to do is think in common
sense terms. I mean, Sean Payton's not an idiot, and
he said after the game, we didn't even have a play,
so right, you know you're not going to kick a
field goal there with the defense you have in Christmas.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, but by the way, and if the Broncos were
only up three practice. If the Broncos were only up three,
the Chiefs would not have gotten to the twenty six
yard line. So it didn't really cost him the game
because I think they were beat regardless because they weren't
going to get the ball down the field. Probably if
the Broncos really needed to really needed to get done.
But what I did like last night, and this was
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all by necessity because Jalen Watson couldn't play either. Trip
mcuffee's on IRJ Jalen w Watson couldn't play. I thought
Noel Williams showed up now he had. I know there
was one play where he got in the backfield and
just didn't wrap up the running back. But he looked
like a willing participant on the run game and was
going up and doing the kind of things that you
wanted him to do.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
So there's a bright spot, and actually there were two
because Christian Fulton, Yeah, he was like, what where did
this guy come from? And there was a lot of
discussion after the game about well, I think he's healthy.
He's when he was healthy for the first time. Maybe
I think you probably got better.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
It's a bad signing if you sign a guy wasn't healthy.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
You maybe feel better about those two for next next year.
I don't know about Trip McDuffie next year.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
But yeah, I mean, I mean Trim McDuffie, and unless
they trade him, he's going to be on the team
that picked up the fifth year option. But you know
Jalen Watson won't be. So I liked what I saw
the Noel Williams. We did see Jeffrey Bossa in there
for a series. I saw also, you know, they put
him out there a little bit, you know, they but
they've got some problems the Broncos. Like I said that,
I think they had four fourteen play drives or more.
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It was insane, and luckily for the Chiefs they held
them to field goals on a couple of them, or
it would have gotten a lot uglier. But there were
a couple of things that I that I liked a
little bit out of that, a couple but they right, Danny.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
I liked the fact that you know, this game against it,
you know you're a two touchdown underdog. It could have
been just a whitewash from start to finish. I mean,
the offense was so bad that if Denver had been
on their game offensively, it could have been another embarrassment.
This game was not even close to an embarrassment. It
was just a loss.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Yeah, just a loss. And that's you know, Listen, in
the end, most of us or fans or whatever would
prefer the losses because that's a better draft pick. And
I know that you can't. I heard Stan talking about
this this morning on the air with Nate on New Day.
You can't let the give up and quit mentality enter
your organization. So I get going out there and fighting
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hard and trying to win games. That's what you want
out of your guys, whether the rookies or if Nick
Bolton's out there. Nick Bolton got hurt again and went
right back out in the game. I mean, you know,
you got some guys who have that dog in him,
as it were, who want to go out there and
win games. And that's that's good to have that because
you don't want to just lay over and not try. So.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I think it was almost a perfect scenario from an
artistic and strategic standpoint. If you're a Chiefs fan, the Broncos,
you're one of your most hated rivals, came to your
place and beat you and left without really a feeling
like they could crow that much had the four spots
in the draft by not winning last.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Had they scored, I think they would have gone for
two because that would have been fun, and then not
made it. That would have been more fun had they
had had Travis Kelce caught a touchdown pass and then
they go for two and they don't get it because
like Nick Benito sacks Christaldooak and that would have been
a little more fun and exciting down the end. But
let's do talk a little bit about Travis Kelce. He's
still keeping this close. I think he's done playing. I
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think that's my guess. He's not officially saying that yet,
but it feels to me like he's probably done playing.
He's got a lot of things going on in his life.
He's not under contract next year. I know he loves football,
but I don't think it's smart for the Chiefs to
give him like fourteen or eighteen million dollars to come
play football for one year. I don't think so in
this salary cap situation they're in, and I don't think
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he would come to it for five million dollars because
you I mean, he could come play for cheap if
he wanted to. But you know, he's got a lot
of things going on. What do you think What did
you feel when you watched this last night that whether
or not this was going to be the end of
his career at Arrowhead Stadium?
Speaker 5 (17:41):
All the body language, the reaction after the first first
down that he converted, really just about everything is a
demeanor on the sideline led me to think that this
was his last game. Now, his brother, Jason Kelcey and
anybody who's been in this position knows that making a
snap decision at this point in time, unless unless you
made this decision like last year, I mean, this is
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my last year, no matter what. It is not wise,
because yes, you can come back and all that. But
so I think you all weigh things, but you know
they've accomplished everything. Do you want to go out on
this note? No, but there's pay I'm looking at the
Chiefs right now. I don't think there's any guarantee they're
going to come roaring back next year. That doesn't I
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think they'll be better, but you know, we don't know
whether Patrick Mahomes will be ready from the jump, So
there's no guarantees that coming back would to be any
more satisfying than this was. And he had a few
catches in this last home game, and you know, Taylor
was there, and so yeah, my feeling is that he's done.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, it's funny because because he came one of the
reasons he came back after last year was he didn't
want to go out like that in a Super Bowl loss. Well,
if he can't now he's on the verge of going
out catching passes from Chris Oladokin in a year and
once they didn't make the postseason. The idea that you're
going to keep coming back racking this thing until you
get an ending that is somewhat cinematic is kind of
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fool of a fool's errand. And also, I think between
now or the end of the season and the beginning
of training camp next year, he's going to marry the
most famous entertainer in the world. And the only thing
from that point forward to the rest of his life
that he has to do is go to his Hall
of Fame induction. And maybe he wants to get on
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with that part of it. You know, what would be
the greatest or at least one of the top five post
retirement lives in the history of anything. Why not go
ahead and just start that. Now.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I know he does have an interesting choice here because
his brother just did this right, and I think his
brother was at peace with it. But I know from
listening to that podcast that there were times that first year,
even though he was very busy doing all the stuff
he's doing with ESPN and all those things, and being
famous and getting more money than a center, it deserves
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to get right. I mean, he's kind of got that
personality about that, and being as famous as he is.
There aren't any centers who's lived his life. But he's
still missed the locker room, the workouts, to practice the game.
You can never get that back.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Now.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
They all men that what Travis has to do is
figure out if he wants to do that, like one
more time, go through that. Now. It's a lot of
work to get there. He worked really hard this offseason
to get himself in better shape. And listen, he's had
a fine year. He's had a fine year for a
twenty three year old tight end with this with this offense, right,
it's not great. It's one of his worst years production wise,
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but it's not some He's not out there with thirty
catches and one touchdown.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Okay, he's not going Johnny United.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
No, he can still play this game at a high level.
But I think he also has a great respect for
the organization. I think he'll have a real talk with
coach Red and Brett Veitch and it'll be like, wait
a second, here's the deal. Where how much over the
cap we're going to have to He won't be able
to have some contract that they can massage. It'll all
come due someday. They're gonna have to work on, you know,
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Chris Jones' number. They're going to probably cut Jawan Taylor.
I mean, they've got a lot of things they're gonna
have to do to get themselves cap ready. And if
they weren't paying their tight end eighteen million dollars or
fourteen or whatever he's getting this year, that would probably
help them. So he will have to make that choice
with them. And I've heard him say he's not going
to drag this thing out until June or something. He
knows they have to get right before that. I don't
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think we'll have to wait a long time to figure
this thing out, But you know, it's up to him.
I think if he wants to come back and play,
there's a price that he can do that that will
work for the Chiefs, and he would be a good
player for the Chiefs to have around. But that price
is not like what he's making now, or what the
top tight ends are getting on their average annual value
or something. So we'll say the.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Only reason that he would make that kind of money,
I think Travis would be perfectly willing to play for
five million dollars. I mean, he's got plenty of money,
and his wife's got even more. I mean she can't
even count it, so and he's going to be married
to her, so they could do that. So I don't
think money is really the issue. I think it's whether
he wants to play or not.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yeah, we'll find out, and you know it's going to
be talked about a lot over the next week, and
then I don't think we'll have to wait a really
long time to figure it out. I don't think, I
hope not, because it doesn't need to hang over the
organization's head because they've got well, the whole.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Point of the whole point of them. Briefly, before we
get hit the break here, the whole point of the positive,
the only positive about being out of the playoffs sin.
Steve Spagnan will sit it this week. Is you get
that extra month to prepare work? Why would you want
to waste? Yeah, make that tougher to find than you're
next tight end.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Right, you got to figure that stuff out. Gotta figure
that stuff all right, We're gonna take quick break here.
Danny Clinkscale is unleashed. He's unleashed on vacation, so we
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Speaker 3 (23:49):
All Right to Nick and Jake's end of the hour
answer before last night, who was the last team to
hold the Chiefs to fewer than sixty passing yards in
a game at Arrowhead?
Speaker 4 (24:01):
How long ago we talking about it?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Significant game has been from the last fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Oh, fifteen years. So was this a Tyler Palco or
a Tyler fig Penny thing. It was not, It was not.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
There have been fifteen such games now, but it's been
about fifteen years. This is an important.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Game, an important game.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
A very important game.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Fifteen is a playoff game.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
I was going to say when you said fifteen, it
was going to say I thought of, you know, for
all the people who were just delighting and the fact
that rich Gannon was so great he had some games
where he threw for about eight yards during that time
he started.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Is this the Ravens playoff game?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yep, there we go January ninth, two, Thy eleven thirty
to seven Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
And remember that time Jamal Charles had a touchdown run.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
And then he ran right towards us and then he
was like, oh cool seven seven and.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
It didn't know more.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Last very long. Castle was nine of eighteen for seventy yards. Oh,
sacked three times school by the way, no touchdowns, three
picks and sack three times for yeah, sack three times
for seventeen yards for nice tasty fifty three yard net passing.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Hey, the Vikings won to day. It won yesterday with
three yards, Yes, that passing, so it could be and
the Chiefs could have with like two plays down the
stretch won that game with nineteen minutes of possession and
those stats. There were some weird things going on in
the NFL yesterday, that's for sure. That's for sure, Danny.
Let's take a little bit of time to talk about
the stadium stuff with the Chiefs at all. Finally, we've
(25:33):
been talking about this for years, and I know we
talked about it a lot last week. Are you and
sirind have been talking about this as well, Monday, we
officially got the word. The chiefs had their press conference
over there with Governor Kelly and all the fancy folks
in Topeka. I was over there for that. Now, since that,
people have gotten a hold of the term sheet, and
(25:54):
you can't find many people who think this is a
great deal for the state of Kansas. They all say
it's a sweetheart deal for the Chiefs. And that's generally
how most of these deals work. The teams don't sign
bad deals. The legislatures and the states signed bad deals.
Just what are your thoughts first about the Chiefs making
this move, and maybe on what this deal could end
(26:15):
up being good or bad for the state.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Well, it's not in the short term. It's just not
really a good look because we know that Clark Hunt
has been very vocal all along about the fact that
his family really wants to you know, Love's Arrowhead considers iconic.
His dad loved it, he grew up there, on and
on and on, and this is just pure and simple
a cash grab. I don't be grudge him for doing it,
(26:40):
but you know, you're just sort of, for the life
of me, I will never really understand. Well, now I
understand because you know, Kansas City, Missouri didn't come up
with equally as good a deal, but they came up
with a billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Oh yeah, they came up with money. There was people
lining up to give money.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
To the Chiefs, right, so they could have built an
exact replica of Arrowhead. That's what I thought they should
do right next door to it. They wouldn't even had
to stop playing in the stadium for any length of time.
But it's an unbelievable deal. And it's an unbelievable deal
in the context of in sports now, these teams do
(27:18):
get good deals, but they usually have to pay a
lot more than the Chiefs are paying this time around.
You know, there are a handful obviously, Jerry Jones built
the whole thing himself.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
He had some tax money too. He didn't build all impright,
paid some.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Money generally, you know, he footed the bill to a
large extent. Most in most cases now the owners have
to put forward. But this is it is. It's a
complete sweetheart deal. It's good for Kansas in the standpoint
of public relations and everything else. They're probably never going
to get value on the dollar, I will say that.
(27:55):
And the other part of it is there's still the
Kansas City Chiefs, and I guess now it'll be for
people around the country even more confused that Kansas City
is in Missouri because now the Chiefs aren't even there,
and it looks like the Royals aren't going to be
there either. So people outside of the Kansas Kansas City
(28:15):
a lot of times obviously thought the Kansas City was
in Kansas, well part of it is, but now they're
probably going to think that even more.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Yeah, I've seen some like it's so laughable some of
the things I see online. This is different because angry
Missouri Chiefs fans they left. Well that and I saw
like people in New York making fun the Jets and
Giants play in New Jersey.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
This is just like that.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
It just has forty years. It's just fifty years.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
It's like that. And the state of Missouri has lost
another NFL team, but they haven't lost the NFL team
to Arizona or California. This this is staying in the
metro area. It's still going to be called the Kansas
City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
It's at the same intersection, it's away.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
It's just this is what happens in places like ours,
and we are unique compared to a lot of these places.
I know there's stuff in the Illinois side of Saint Louis.
I know there's stuff on the you know, the Cincinnati
at Kentucky, there's places like that, but those are you know,
what was in Illinois and what was in Kentucky. It's
(29:15):
kind of growing up now. Johnson County, Kansas and Wyandotte County,
Kansas have been here just as long as the other
side of Missouri, but it just hasn't kind of grown
up as early in the eighteen hundreds or something, right,
So listen, this is I've said this before. I'm a
lifelong Jackson County liver voter. All of those things, except
(29:38):
at the time I was in college. I have a
pretty interesting background in that I have probably walked on
every single stair in both of those stadiums as a
food vendor, as a reporter, as a guy who's gotten
to sit in some fancy suites. I've been in the
locker rooms, I've been in the medical rooms, I've been
everywhere in those stadiums.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
It just occurred to me, that's interesting. You've probably covered
more of that place than anybody.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Who and I have been in the media so I
got to be there during some of the construction on
tours and see some of the guts and all. I mean,
I've got I've gotten to do a lot of stuff
in those stadiums, and I'm sad and upset that they
are leaving my county. Okay, But I'm also fifty five
years old, and I'm like, hey, man, I get business.
(30:23):
I know how this works, and Kansas worked really hard
to do this, and I think the devil will be
in the details. And you were seeing some of these
districts getting drawn on where the little sales taxes will
come they can opt in and do some things to
help pay these things off and all that stuff. And
you know it's when Governor Kelly says there'll be no taxes,
(30:43):
that's just semantics. People are paying for this stuff. So
I'm cool with it as long as they're in this town.
I get it. That's okay, all right, But it is
sad in a way because I you know, but I'll
tell you.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
This, They're going to flatten that place one day and
we're gonna feel people like you and me are gonna
look at it and we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Go it's too bad. But it was not like it
was there for six years. I think, is there fifty
plus years? The thing's gonna be there, and like, you know,
so the for just for a perspective for people we've
talked a lot about like when they built the stadium,
it was packed for like a year or two, and
then they weren't any good and then anyone could just
(31:25):
go in there for nothing and watch a game basically, okay.
And then when I first was a food vendor in
the nineteen eighty six season, eighty six Royal season, eighty
six Chief season, I remember going out there to the
opening game and they would have this little piece of
paper on the wall. They called it the spread, and
the spread would tell you how many coke vendors were
in this section, and how many peanut vendors and how
(31:46):
many you know, bud lights and whatever.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
I had all that stuff on it and have this
little thing up there expected attendance, and I remember that
was like it was going to be almost sixty thousand people.
They're like, this is pretty good opening day. Almost sixty
thousand people. Can you imagine? Like that was a really
good thing the first game of the year, And that's
what it was like. For all of those years until
Marty got there. So eighty six, eighty seven, eighty eight,
(32:10):
there be thirty thousand people in the stands, twenty thousand
people in the stands, so you can spare me with
it's been packed every day and by the way, it's
not packed last week when the Chargers were in town.
You can buy tickets for eleven dollars.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
And also the impact that Arrowhead had on this team.
I mean this team. That stadium saw two playoff games
or two playoff wins in its first forty six years
of existence.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Yes, we love it. It's great and build it's fun,
but it's been more fun lately than it was at
the beginning.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
The team made an iconic not the statement but exactly
it is what battery and backwards.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
It is what it is. I mean, so I'm a
little bit sad on that front, but I also understand
that that's progress. I mean, that's the way this stuff goes.
You can't also everything.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Also, they get the advantage of the way they've got
the land to make the experience almost exactly the same
as it was, and that's really.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Yeah, they'll have tailgating, all that stuff. It'll be just fine.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
And I want I want the team that I've rooted
for since I was a child to be as good
as it possibly can ten years from now. And that's
not at Arrowhead. That's where they're going to go. That's
that's the best off.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Now, how much of them make the money they get,
will they be able to guarantee in the team better
have the right quarterback right, you know? The next time.
That's how I go.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
That team doesn't win with a new place, they weren't
going to win Anarrawhead with it either, No, and now
they have the opportunity. Now how there are people who
are skeptical that that Lamar or Lamar the Clark's not
going to put the money that they get off this
back into Danny team. How they can.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
But I am a little bit worried Danny about you know,
they're gonna they haven't told us exactly where this is going,
but it's going out somewhere near the speedway. And I'm
a little bit worried about, you know, whatever district they
put around it, cannibalizing what's already there a little bit,
you know what I mean, because I think that's the
fear at any one of these things. How many quote
(34:00):
unquote entertainment districts do you need. That's what was the
fear of the Royals in East Village, you know, which
is only four blocks from P and L. But that's
if you're here. You can't be two places at once
if you're going to having fun, and the Chiefs are
only going to have ten dates a year, maybe eleven
for football games, maybe twelve or thirteen if you have
playoff games, you know. So I don't know what it's
(34:21):
going to be like. I don't know what their plan is.
If it's going to be retail or more apartments or
whatever it's going to be. I don't know. I don't
think it's going to be bullpark villagey type, you know,
like you see around a baseball Steadum. I think that's
going to be more for the practice facility, because that'll
be a little more like that. But I'm a little
bit worried about that part of it. But we'll see.
I mean, nothing mentioned, nothing gained.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
I guess well, I think that they just it was
almost a deal that they you know, Cark Hunt was
going to have to make a decision based on his
heart if he didn't take this deal. I mean, it's
too good a deal and it's you know, sweetheart deal
is probably that phrase was designed for this period. So
(35:02):
and we'll see if, like you say, Todd, I don't
know if you need another Legends. You know, the Legends
actually has done pretty well and still relatively thriving, I
would say, but do you need another exit? You know,
that's what you would build there A bunch of restaurants
and shops.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot of those restaurants and
shops that have been there for twenty years, but there
are plenty that have run through and gone away. And
that's that's just life. I mean, you know, it's those
are tough businesses, and retails harder than ever with being
able to buy anything you want and have it delivered
to your porch in six hours anymore, you know. So
that'll that'll be the part that's interesting, and that not
(35:40):
as many people and people are going back to work
more now, but there's a whole lot of you know,
right there is a great example. There were there were
those Cerner buildings that they called I think they called
that kind of continued campus whatever is. There's two big
buildings right there at four point thirty five and State,
and my son was an intern out there years ago.
And then they you know, they've stopped having people go
(36:03):
to work in those buildings kind of during COVID, and
then that they've been sold to Oracle and nothing from
that company's in those buildings. The Farmer's Insurance has bought
at least part of one of them, I don't know,
so their name is on it. So then that was like,
you know, that's workers. And you know, so if if
you don't have people going to there, there used to
be thousands of people working those buildings, well you know
(36:23):
what that is. That's thousands of people go to lunch,
you know, and now there's a little less of that
out there. So it's a little scary time for all
of those things. But for everyone who's mad that it's
a sweetheart deal, Listen, it was going to be a
sweetheart deal in Missouri too. It was a sweetheart deal everywhere.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
No professional owners signed a sweet deal. Isn't a sweetheart deal,
as you.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Mentioned that, I've even like, you know, San Cronky basically
paid for all the stuff out in LA but they
still got some tax breaks on the land and something.
I mean, there's nothing like you and I by things.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
And I've heard a handful of people push back on
reased on Twitter. Well, Lamar Hunt wouldn't have done this, Mike,
Lamar Hunt did this already. That they're and he's why
they're here.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Twice they came, I came.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
I wouldn't have signed this.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Deals came away from the city he loves more than anything, Yes,
from his home, and then moved once they were here.
So whatever, anyway, I don't know. We'll have to wait
and see how it goes. I'm sure there'll be trouble
along the way. It won't be that easy to get
it all done, because that's nothing as easy.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
As you say. They've as they said, they've won a
super Bowl, they've won a championship in every stadium they've
housed been housed in.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Well, if they don't want to maybe a ship in
the next one that it's gonna they're gonna be there
till I'm dead. Then that'll be another long stretch of
not good stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
A lifetime.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Yeah, it would be a lifetime. But we'll we'll see
and then we'll have to wait and see what's going
on with the Royals. I think it's gonna be suiter
them later because they're on the same kind of deadline
that this did not mean that this happening in Kansas
didn't mean that starbonds were done for the Royals in Kansas.
It didn't. They've been uh told to leave the party
every place they try to have a party in this
last little bit. So I think this makes them even
(38:00):
more important to the state of Missouri, But they still
haven't been able to get that nutcracked either. Do you
have a feel right now which side of the state
line the Royals will end up on?
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Well, I felt all along that the Chiefs were going
to stay at there ahead and the Royals were going
to go downtown. I still think they're really going to
go downtown, but the fact that the Chiefs did this
sort of clears the track. Anybody who you know, you know,
they've they've the Chiefs took the bullet. So if the
Royals do it, they'll only be the second team that
went over there and did it. They won't be, you know,
(38:33):
carpetbaggers at least the first ones.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Right.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
So, but I agree with you that I think for
Kansas City, Missouri, now it becomes much more important that
the Royals stay there. But the whole thing has been
a complete mess, and I think we're just glad that
and maybe faster. You know, as of six months ago,
this is probably faster than we thought it was going
to happen. As of three years ago, it's not as
fast as we thought it should happen, But as of
(38:57):
six months ago, it's probably faster than we thought.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
This has been going on for years, So I think
Clay County is still in play for the Royals. I
think that's an interesting spot up there. I think there's
a lot of challenges to it as far as traffic
and things like that, but they have a good plan.
I think the coolest place for Kansas City would be downtown,
whether that's Washington Square Park or somewhere close there. But
there are challenges there. I mean, there's all kinds of
(39:19):
bad blood there between ownership and government, and so I
don't know. I know that I agree with what you said.
Danny john Sherman wanted downtown baseball. That's what he went
when he bought the team. I don't know how long
he's gonna own this team though, Either he could be
about done with all this stuff, and you know, these
got a lot of owners there who maybe someone would
buy part of it. I don't know much to go
(39:39):
on that, but it certainly has been a historic week
in Kansas City because it is the first time I
ever went to this tapeaka State House. There you go,
I did that this week. There you go, we did
it all right. Danny Klinskial is unleased. One more with
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Welcome back into the program. I'm top lebo Infesser in
Petro on this Fridday. Curtis Sepolt is here, Kyle Colliers here,
Danny Clinkskale joins us on the phone, wrapping up Danny
unleashed and Danny, it's not the day for Thanksgiving, as
I said earlier, it's today after Christmas. You've been away
on Christmas on a trip. I've been seeing the pictures
on Facebook. Has it been.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
It's been a wonderful trip. It's a beautiful part of
the country. I've never been to Savannah, Georgia, which is
where we spent the first three plus days, and it's
an absolutely beautiful city. There's a bunch of what you
would call neighborhood squares just think of a town square,
but there's like they're all over the place. There's like
fifty of them. And it was the first American planned
community back in the seventeen hundreds when they started Georgia basically,
(41:32):
so it's really cool. It's beautiful, the trees are great,
the Spanish moths, that's that little extra touch to it.
There's a lot of amazing history here. We went to
the synagogue that is the home of the oldest Jewish
congregation in the United States, and it looks like a
cathedral more than a synagogue. But that dates back to
(41:53):
the eighteen forties or thirties, and the movie back in
the late nineties Midnight in the House of Good and
Evil is We visited that house. There are all kinds
of houses that you can tour as tourist attractions. The
food's fantastic. One lady who's had one of the restaurants.
We commented the food, who's really good, and she goes,
(42:15):
you don't make good food here. You're out of business
in four months, can you imagine. So it was really
really beautiful and we had a nice airbnb there and
then we bid on a back in I think it
was may bid on a week at a condominium at
Hilton Head and we want it and it's really a
(42:35):
great deal. I think our bid was twelve hundred dollars
and we got seven nights, which probably would usually cost you, like,
I don't know, twenty five hundred dollars. And it's really
really nice. And played golf the other day, and again,
this beautiful area is to drive around and the trees
are amazing, and Hilton Head is a remarkable community. And
(42:56):
the fact that they they when you drive around you can't.
They have the most strict zoning. Like when you went
to a Walmart. The only thing it says on the
front of it. It's the same kind of structure like
wood and whatever. All it says is Walmart on it.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Commercialized looking things.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
Yeah, there's nothing else on it. I mean, you can
hardly tell, you know. I went to Jersey Mike Sandwiches
the other day and there's none of the you know,
things that make usually you recognize something in this Jersey
mics white on a white background. There's Jersey Mike's in
their script. That's it and everything. Everything is set way
back in the trees, which is actually kind of difficult
(43:36):
to find things a little bit.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
But it's got your phone for right, and you can find.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
And we went to the movies yesterday and we saw
Marty Supreme, uh, which is the new Timothy Shallowing Pong
movie Ping Pong movie. Yeah, and it is that is
it is. He's fantastic, always very intense movie, very intense,
and he is plays a brilliantly a completely unlikable character.
(44:01):
So I can recommend the movie. But it's not like
it's a crazy romp at the theater. But we've had
a wonderful time. We've had great weather. But of course
you've had great weather back there. Seventy degrees here, but
I think it's about the same in Kansasit.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
It's a term cold for you to come home. Now
you set you going, Wow, did you do laundry? Did
you take enough clothes with you? Did not do launry?
Speaker 5 (44:21):
You? We had laundry in both places there we go.
There is great because I swear every day into my clothes,
so it's kind of nice. And you know, if I
don't have laundry, I literally will work out and then
I go in the shower with my workout stuff on.
Speaker 6 (44:35):
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Speaker 4 (44:35):
You go clean it up, buddy, and then wrench it up.
All right, Danny, Well, safe travels and we will see
you back here in Kansas City soon. Appreciate your time.
Glad you guys had a great trip. That is Danny
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Welcome back into the program. On this day after thanks Ivan,
we like to call it Boxing Day when Danny Clinkscale
is coming on, it would be Unleashed.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Did you just say things after Thanksgiving?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Did I say thanks to you?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I think you did well. It's Christmas, folks.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
It's Christmas. That's how bad this day.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Danny's played both games both days.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
They did play both games both days. It's Boxing Day,
which is the day after Christmas. It's a big soccer day, Danny.
That's what you like about this day, isn't it?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Yeah, Ectuist, they're only playing one game game on Boxing
Day today, which is surprising. There's a bunch of games tomorrow.
So yes, I'm very happy that the Elliptical and my
gym here at Hilton Head has USA Network so I
will be watching some soccer games tomorrow and maybe this
afternoon if I'm not out and about. So yeah, Boxing
Day is a cool tradition. Basically, it's the people who
(01:22):
were rich would leave a few things so the people
who are not so rich the day after Christmas in
a box. That's what it's called boxing.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Very nice, and it is that day after Christmas, not Thanksgiving.
Because I've been so confused on this weird chief schedule
and all that stuff and so many holidays. Let's talk
about those Chiefs. They put on a representative efforts to
try to win a football game last night at Went Stadium.
On one side, they just don't have much going on.
Offense is a little rough. First off, do you think
(01:51):
they approached this game better than the last one? I
know the last one was a little tough because you
have the quarterback hurt right in the beginning of the game.
But did they look like a better team time than
last I think the result of losing is great for
the fans because they want a better draft pick. But
I thought last night wasn't so bad.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
No, I don't think it was so bad. I'll get
into the park that I do think is kind of
bad and worrisome, but not particularly but still worrisome. Yeah,
they put What I'm happy about is there are probably
a lot of people out there who have not often
attended a game at Arrowhead, maybe their friends that didn't
want to go, and nobody really Maybe two weeks ago
they figured, well, the weather's going to suck. I'll put
(02:30):
a such stocking suffer in my friend Joe. And then
it turns out to be seventy degrees. But so I
was glad there was a representative game. Now wasn't the
most exciting game because Chiefs have I mean, that was
a remarkably awful offensive performance. I just don't even understand
anybody who's like talking about potentially Chris Oladukan, you know,
(02:51):
being something. Yeah he led a thirty yard drive.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yeah, a couple of yeah yeah, But.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
I mean you threw for fifty yards. He didn't look
particularly comfortable. I think that's the bad part. But the
defensive effort was great. I mean, let's face that, Denver
completely dominated the game and probably should have won it
more handily, but they did not, and that's to the
Chiefs credit. So I thought it was the I did
think it was good and I was happy for the
fans who went out there that they got to see
(03:19):
a game where the Chiefs had a chance all the
way down to the last handful of seconds.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yeah, you know, it is thirteen and a half point underdog.
They have not been like that at home since the seventies.
There were some times in the some of the bad
years who they were pretty big dogs. But you know,
I thought, I thought they did all right now. I
think I know. Another part that you may think was
bad was allowing four drives of fourteen plays or whatever.
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I mean, they had some guys hurd on defense, but
they still had Chris Jones and Charles A. Minnihue and
George karloft As and Nick Bolt. They had a lot
of guys.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Seven was pretty healthy.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Pretty healthy, and they just couldn't get off the field
a whole bunch of times. Okay, I guess you know.
But that's the part I thought was the worst part
about the Tennessee game is that Tennessee's offense was terrible
and they moved the ball against the Chiefs. And it
was a little rough watching last night because every time
it got to third and whatever, you're like, well, they're
going to get a first down, they're definitely going to
get a first down. So still disappointing on the defensive
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side that they couldn't do a little bit better. They
limited them points wise, but man, they had the ball
for forty minutes.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
They did, and you know that's the downside of it.
But still they allowed twenty points and you can't really
complain about giving up twenty points. And you know the
last seven were with just a couple of minutes to go.
Now that's not a good thing either. That when push
came to shove, they were able to drive the ball
down the field, in part thanks to Chris Jones, who
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it's just mind boggling Chris Jones has done on a
few occasions this year. Like concern more is what's going
on on offense, because okay, the Chiefs have a bunch
of injuries, there's no doubt about it, a lot, and
they don't have that Groomes who is one of the injuries.
But there are a lot of NFL teams that go
out there with a similar situation, you know, offensive line
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down left and right, second or third string quarterback, and
they look better than that. So Andy Reid doesn't seem
to you know, maybe the adjustment is too start for
him to try and come up with a plan that
fits what he has. But I think that's a little
bit concerning.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I mean, that was dreadful, or maybe we saw to
the degree that Patrick Mahomes taped things together for the
Chiefs this year. It's just been amazing to watch this
offense not be able to do what almost any offense
should be able to do, regardless of who's playing quarterback.
I'm looking at this laugh and looked this up last night.
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The Chiefs are the fourteenth team since the merger, and
just the fifth since nineteen seventy eight to gain fewer
than one hundred and forty yards back to back games.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Yeah, they've They've have two hundred and seventy three yards
total in the last two games, five.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Points scored in December, and one of those was against
a two win team. Yeah, and two of those games
with the forty five points, Patrick Mahomes played the entire
game until the very very end.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Right.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
And so the last three years the offense has been fifteenth, fifteenth,
and now it's twentieth. But say, let's let's give him seventeenth.
When Patrick Mahomes was in there, fifteenth fifteenth and seventeenth
with Patrick Mahomes. That's not good. That is not good.
And I think that some of the Chiefs offensive players
probably get a real pass because they played with Patrick
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Mahomes if these you know, they had about a three
or four game window where they had all those weapons
in there and they didn't look so good. You know,
where was the Where was the fury we were supposed
to see when Hollywood Brown and Isaiah Worthy and Roshie
Rice were all out there at the same time, Travis
Kelcey being a complimentary piece, Where was the it was?
(07:01):
Those guys should kind of be looking in the mirror
right now.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, it's I'll say this. They had no Rashi Rice
last night. He's on my r now and he's probably
their best wide receiver to do lots of things, so
they didn't have him. But Xavier Worthy, no question, has
made a tremendous step back this year. Again last night,
standing out of bounds on a play.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Continues to drop not unaway, inextinctual, unextinctual as you could
possibly be.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Not good, and they continued listen, give Isaiah a checko
and Kareem hunt the ball. I guess they're never going
to give Brishard Smith carries. Okay, fine, he doesn't look
like a running back to me either. Okay, not really.
Maybe he'll play against the Raiders next week. But Worthy
has not been good, and Hollywood Brown's been an absolute waste.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
You know, I've said this numerous times, and I think
it's true. If if Hollywood Brown's name was Phil Brown,
nobody would think he's any good, right, I mean, he
has done nothing to be Hollywood Brown except have a name.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Period. Yeah, it's it's you watch those the replays of
the offense, and it's usually after this year's been after
a play where Patrick Mahomes dropped back and looked and
looked and looked and couldn't find anybody, and you get
that kind of son of drone shop, you know, that
one that kind of hovers over the field and on
almost every time, there's four guys in the pattern and
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nobody's open. Everyone's everyone's got a guy plasted on them
or they're standing there. Maybe it's time to go try
to find wide receivers who can you know, get wide,
separate open, actually get open. Guys who run routes and
find open space. They don't seem to have anybody in
that job who can actually do that well.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And last night there was no one who could make
a contested catch. Rashid Rice kind of can, but they
don't have that guy, and they haven't had that guy.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And the last one that it's Hollywood Brown's not going
up that high.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
No, no, you know he's probably made the balls on target.
Hollywood Brown in his two years is made like two plays.
He had a really nice catch at the end of
that Cowboys game. And that's when you can remember, like
the one play a guy made and he was hurt
a lot last year. But that's not good. No, not good.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
No, it's not good. And what I would say is that, yes,
Andy Reid's offense is based on a lot of option routes,
you know, trusting your wide receivers to read the situation,
guys on the inside leverage, you go this way. Whatever,
Well that creates that warrants a lot of trust from
the wide receiver, and they seem to have a bunch
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of guys who are not very good at that. So
maybe in an adjustment, if this is who you're going
to war with, maybe they have to have these guys
run routes. Like you said, Curtis actually run specific pass
routes to a certain spot. That's not what Andy Reid
really likes to do. But maybe they're going to have
to do that because they probably are going to have
(09:55):
a very similar receiving corps. They don't seem to think
that Royal is any good, and they'll probably draft another
wide receiver, but boy, they're going to have a high
pick this time. And if they don't pick an edge rusher,
they're out of their minds.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
And the other thing they might need to do, which
is we've kind of this discussion has been growing over
the past weeks, is almost I think everyone says, well,
he needs to tweak his passing system, his offensive system.
I think they need to completely tear it down and
rebuild it. Now it may look like a lot like
it does now because the guy building it's the same guy,
(10:29):
But it seems like more and more this year they
run the stuff they used to run, and defenders are
just standing there waiting for him, like they've now read
what the Chiefs do with certain formations, and even the
options seemingly are are sniffed out, and there's always somebody
that they're jumping routes like crazy this year, there's.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
No question about that. And like you say, when you
see the you know, behind the quarterback shots, Patrick Mahomes
probably in the past has been somebody he wants to
be someone who sees the guy open more than some
quarterbacks do. Some quarterbacks are willing to throw the ball
into harm's way. They are Patrick Malmes has not been
that guy. And if you're going to have Patrick Malmes,
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who that's kind of in his DNA, then you're going
to have to get some guys who are going to
you know, plant a foot drive and get to a
certain spot.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yeah, very very rarely is anyone just open. Like every
time last night when it was third down or whatever,
and or maybe even second down long when the Chiefs
would have a successful defensive play, Bo Nicks would drop
back and then, oh, well there's a guy who's just open,
you know, right middle field, just open. No One around
two or.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Three are not necessarily a name guy. Little Jordan Humphrey is.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Little Jordan open. And they also, you know, listen, if
they had have caught the ball better, there were a
couple plays early in the game that would have that
game would have gotten really out of hand. You know,
Courtland Sutton almost caught the one ball just really close,
and those are really hard catches. He didn't get a
lot of help last night. Bo next and they had
some drops, they had some things. Anyway, whatever, they lost
the game. Let's talk a little bit about the defensive side, Danny,
(12:03):
because we mentioned Chris Jones jumping off sides, and you know,
when you think about these things as well, like I
mentioned Hollywood Brown, I can only think of one thing
he's done in two years. I can think of a
handful of things Chris Jones has done in high leverage
situations this year that are just unforgivable. Really, jumping off
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sides last night, lining up off sides after a timeout
was called. Yeah, in a game.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
In which he was lining up so obviously that the
referee had his hand on the flag before the ball
was snapped.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah. So they come back and then he's in exactly
exact same.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Spot, standing there and watching Jacksonville score a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
And uh, you know the first play or first game
of the year, when he when he clearly didn't do
his job and ran inside and allowed Justin Herbert to
run for twenty yards on a third and fifteen. You know,
so those are bad things to have happened for someone
who's supposed to be your guy.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And by the way, last night, you was pretty clear
when you watch the replay the Broncos weren't going to
stamp the ball because the minute he moves into the
zone that the one lineman just launches himself across the line,
because there it is. We got it. And I would
bet that ninety five was the guy they were keying on.
But as soon as he moved, he was it's really
good and they were ready for that.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
How do you get jumped on a cadence when I
don't know if bon Nicks was doing it because he
wasn't lined up a quarterback, I'm not sure who was
who was saying hike? I mean you got the running
back back there? Anyways, Yeah, they I'll say this that
they only kicked up.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Was all you had to do is think in common
sense terms. I mean, Sean Payton's not an idiot, and
he said after the game, we didn't even have a play,
so right, you know you're not going to kick a
field goal there with the defense you have in Christmas.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, but by the way, and if the Broncos were
only up three practice. If the Broncos were only up three,
the Chiefs would not have gotten to the twenty six
yard line. So it didn't really cost him the game
because I think they were beat regardless because they weren't
going to get the ball down the field. Probably if
the Broncos really needed to really needed to get done.
But what I did like last night, and this was
(14:05):
all by necessity because Jalen Watson couldn't play either. Trip
mcuffee's on IRJ Jalen w Watson couldn't play. I thought
Noel Williams showed up now he had. I know there
was one play where he got in the backfield and
just didn't wrap up the running back. But he looked
like a willing participant on the run game and was
going up and doing the kind of things that you
wanted him to do.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
So there's a bright spot, and actually there were two
because Christian Fulton, Yeah, he was like, what where did
this guy come from? And there was a lot of
discussion after the game about well, I think he's healthy.
He's when he was healthy for the first time. Maybe
I think you probably got better.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
It's a bad signing if you sign a guy wasn't healthy.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
You maybe feel better about those two for next next year.
I don't know about Trip McDuffie next year.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
But yeah, I mean, I mean Trim McDuffie, and unless
they trade him, he's going to be on the team
that picked up the fifth year option. But you know
Jalen Watson won't be. So I liked what I saw
the Noel Williams. We did see Jeffrey Bossa in there
for a series. I saw also, you know, they put
him out there a little bit, you know, they but
they've got some problems the Broncos. Like I said that,
I think they had four fourteen play drives or more.
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It was insane, and luckily for the Chiefs they held
them to field goals on a couple of them, or
it would have gotten a lot uglier. But there were
a couple of things that I that I liked a
little bit out of that, a couple but they right, Danny.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
I liked the fact that you know, this game against it,
you know you're a two touchdown underdog. It could have
been just a whitewash from start to finish. I mean,
the offense was so bad that if Denver had been
on their game offensively, it could have been another embarrassment.
This game was not even close to an embarrassment. It
was just a loss.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Yeah, just a loss. And that's you know, Listen, in
the end, most of us or fans or whatever would
prefer the losses because that's a better draft pick. And
I know that you can't. I heard Stan talking about
this this morning on the air with Nate on New Day.
You can't let the give up and quit mentality enter
your organization. So I get going out there and fighting
(16:03):
hard and trying to win games. That's what you want
out of your guys, whether the rookies or if Nick
Bolton's out there. Nick Bolton got hurt again and went
right back out in the game. I mean, you know,
you got some guys who have that dog in him,
as it were, who want to go out there and
win games. And that's that's good to have that because
you don't want to just lay over and not try. So.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I think it was almost a perfect scenario from an
artistic and strategic standpoint. If you're a Chiefs fan, the Broncos,
you're one of your most hated rivals, came to your
place and beat you and left without really a feeling
like they could crow that much had the four spots
in the draft by not winning last.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Had they scored, I think they would have gone for
two because that would have been fun, and then not
made it. That would have been more fun had they
had had Travis Kelce caught a touchdown pass and then
they go for two and they don't get it because
like Nick Benito sacks Christaldooak and that would have been
a little more fun and exciting down the end. But
let's do talk a little bit about Travis Kelce. He's
still keeping this close. I think he's done playing. I
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think that's my guess. He's not officially saying that yet,
but it feels to me like he's probably done playing.
He's got a lot of things going on in his life.
He's not under contract next year. I know he loves football,
but I don't think it's smart for the Chiefs to
give him like fourteen or eighteen million dollars to come
play football for one year. I don't think so in
this salary cap situation they're in, and I don't think
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he would come to it for five million dollars because
you I mean, he could come play for cheap if
he wanted to. But you know, he's got a lot
of things going on. What do you think What did
you feel when you watched this last night that whether
or not this was going to be the end of
his career at Arrowhead Stadium?
Speaker 5 (17:41):
All the body language, the reaction after the first first
down that he converted, really just about everything is a
demeanor on the sideline led me to think that this
was his last game. Now, his brother, Jason Kelcey and
anybody who's been in this position knows that making a
snap decision at this point in time, unless unless you
made this decision like last year, I mean, this is
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my last year, no matter what. It is not wise,
because yes, you can come back and all that. But
so I think you all weigh things, but you know
they've accomplished everything. Do you want to go out on
this note? No, but there's pay I'm looking at the
Chiefs right now. I don't think there's any guarantee they're
going to come roaring back next year. That doesn't I
(18:25):
think they'll be better, but you know, we don't know
whether Patrick Mahomes will be ready from the jump, So
there's no guarantees that coming back would to be any
more satisfying than this was. And he had a few
catches in this last home game, and you know, Taylor
was there, and so yeah, my feeling is that he's done.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, it's funny because because he came one of the
reasons he came back after last year was he didn't
want to go out like that in a Super Bowl loss. Well,
if he can't now he's on the verge of going
out catching passes from Chris Oladokin in a year and
once they didn't make the postseason. The idea that you're
going to keep coming back racking this thing until you
get an ending that is somewhat cinematic is kind of
(19:10):
fool of a fool's errand. And also, I think between
now or the end of the season and the beginning
of training camp next year, he's going to marry the
most famous entertainer in the world. And the only thing
from that point forward to the rest of his life
that he has to do is go to his Hall
of Fame induction. And maybe he wants to get on
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with that part of it. You know, what would be
the greatest or at least one of the top five post
retirement lives in the history of anything. Why not go
ahead and just start that. Now.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I know he does have an interesting choice here because
his brother just did this right, and I think his
brother was at peace with it. But I know from
listening to that podcast that there were times that first year,
even though he was very busy doing all the stuff
he's doing with ESPN and all those things, and being
famous and getting more money than a center, it deserves
(20:04):
to get right. I mean, he's kind of got that
personality about that, and being as famous as he is.
There aren't any centers who's lived his life. But he's
still missed the locker room, the workouts, to practice the game.
You can never get that back.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Now.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
They all men that what Travis has to do is
figure out if he wants to do that, like one
more time, go through that. Now. It's a lot of
work to get there. He worked really hard this offseason
to get himself in better shape. And listen, he's had
a fine year. He's had a fine year for a
twenty three year old tight end with this with this offense, right,
it's not great. It's one of his worst years production wise,
(20:42):
but it's not some He's not out there with thirty
catches and one touchdown.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Okay, he's not going Johnny United.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
No, he can still play this game at a high level.
But I think he also has a great respect for
the organization. I think he'll have a real talk with
coach Red and Brett Veitch and it'll be like, wait
a second, here's the deal. Where how much over the
cap we're going to have to He won't be able
to have some contract that they can massage. It'll all
come due someday. They're gonna have to work on, you know,
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Chris Jones' number. They're going to probably cut Jawan Taylor.
I mean, they've got a lot of things they're gonna
have to do to get themselves cap ready. And if
they weren't paying their tight end eighteen million dollars or
fourteen or whatever he's getting this year, that would probably
help them. So he will have to make that choice
with them. And I've heard him say he's not going
to drag this thing out until June or something. He
knows they have to get right before that. I don't
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think we'll have to wait a long time to figure
this thing out, But you know, it's up to him.
I think if he wants to come back and play,
there's a price that he can do that that will
work for the Chiefs, and he would be a good
player for the Chiefs to have around. But that price
is not like what he's making now, or what the
top tight ends are getting on their average annual value
or something. So we'll say the.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Only reason that he would make that kind of money,
I think Travis would be perfectly willing to play for
five million dollars. I mean, he's got plenty of money,
and his wife's got even more. I mean she can't
even count it, so and he's going to be married
to her, so they could do that. So I don't
think money is really the issue. I think it's whether
he wants to play or not.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yeah, we'll find out, and you know it's going to
be talked about a lot over the next week, and
then I don't think we'll have to wait a really
long time to figure it out. I don't think, I
hope not, because it doesn't need to hang over the
organization's head because they've got well, the whole.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Point of the whole point of them. Briefly, before we
get hit the break here, the whole point of the positive,
the only positive about being out of the playoffs sin.
Steve Spagnan will sit it this week. Is you get
that extra month to prepare work? Why would you want
to waste? Yeah, make that tougher to find than you're
next tight end.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Right, you got to figure that stuff out. Gotta figure
that stuff all right, We're gonna take quick break here.
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Speaker 3 (23:49):
All Right to Nick and Jake's end of the hour
answer before last night, who was the last team to
hold the Chiefs to fewer than sixty passing yards in
a game at Arrowhead?
Speaker 4 (24:01):
How long ago we talking about it?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Significant game has been from the last fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Oh, fifteen years. So was this a Tyler Palco or
a Tyler fig Penny thing. It was not, It was not.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
There have been fifteen such games now, but it's been
about fifteen years. This is an important.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Game, an important game.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
A very important game.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Fifteen is a playoff game.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
I was going to say when you said fifteen, it
was going to say I thought of, you know, for
all the people who were just delighting and the fact
that rich Gannon was so great he had some games
where he threw for about eight yards during that time
he started.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Is this the Ravens playoff game?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yep, there we go January ninth, two, Thy eleven thirty
to seven Baltimore.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
And remember that time Jamal Charles had a touchdown run.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
And then he ran right towards us and then he
was like, oh cool seven seven and.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
It didn't know more.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Last very long. Castle was nine of eighteen for seventy yards. Oh,
sacked three times school by the way, no touchdowns, three
picks and sack three times for yeah, sack three times
for seventeen yards for nice tasty fifty three yard net passing.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Hey, the Vikings won to day. It won yesterday with
three yards, Yes, that passing, so it could be and
the Chiefs could have with like two plays down the
stretch won that game with nineteen minutes of possession and
those stats. There were some weird things going on in
the NFL yesterday, that's for sure. That's for sure, Danny.
Let's take a little bit of time to talk about
the stadium stuff with the Chiefs at all. Finally, we've
(25:33):
been talking about this for years, and I know we
talked about it a lot last week. Are you and
sirind have been talking about this as well, Monday, we
officially got the word. The chiefs had their press conference
over there with Governor Kelly and all the fancy folks
in Topeka. I was over there for that. Now, since that,
people have gotten a hold of the term sheet, and
(25:54):
you can't find many people who think this is a
great deal for the state of Kansas. They all say
it's a sweetheart deal for the Chiefs. And that's generally
how most of these deals work. The teams don't sign
bad deals. The legislatures and the states signed bad deals.
Just what are your thoughts first about the Chiefs making
this move, and maybe on what this deal could end
(26:15):
up being good or bad for the state.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Well, it's not in the short term. It's just not
really a good look because we know that Clark Hunt
has been very vocal all along about the fact that
his family really wants to you know, Love's Arrowhead considers iconic.
His dad loved it, he grew up there, on and
on and on, and this is just pure and simple
a cash grab. I don't be grudge him for doing it,
(26:40):
but you know, you're just sort of, for the life
of me, I will never really understand. Well, now I
understand because you know, Kansas City, Missouri didn't come up
with equally as good a deal, but they came up
with a billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Oh yeah, they came up with money. There was people
lining up to give money.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
To the Chiefs, right, so they could have built an
exact replica of Arrowhead. That's what I thought they should
do right next door to it. They wouldn't even had
to stop playing in the stadium for any length of time.
But it's an unbelievable deal. And it's an unbelievable deal
in the context of in sports now, these teams do
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get good deals, but they usually have to pay a
lot more than the Chiefs are paying this time around.
You know, there are a handful obviously, Jerry Jones built
the whole thing himself.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
He had some tax money too. He didn't build all impright,
paid some.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Money generally, you know, he footed the bill to a
large extent. Most in most cases now the owners have
to put forward. But this is it is. It's a
complete sweetheart deal. It's good for Kansas in the standpoint
of public relations and everything else. They're probably never going
to get value on the dollar, I will say that.
(27:55):
And the other part of it is there's still the
Kansas City Chiefs, and I guess now it'll be for
people around the country even more confused that Kansas City
is in Missouri because now the Chiefs aren't even there,
and it looks like the Royals aren't going to be
there either. So people outside of the Kansas Kansas City
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a lot of times obviously thought the Kansas City was
in Kansas, well part of it is, but now they're
probably going to think that even more.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Yeah, I've seen some like it's so laughable some of
the things I see online. This is different because angry
Missouri Chiefs fans they left. Well that and I saw
like people in New York making fun the Jets and
Giants play in New Jersey.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
This is just like that.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
It just has forty years. It's just fifty years.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
It's like that. And the state of Missouri has lost
another NFL team, but they haven't lost the NFL team
to Arizona or California. This this is staying in the
metro area. It's still going to be called the Kansas
City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
It's at the same intersection, it's away.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
It's just this is what happens in places like ours,
and we are unique compared to a lot of these places.
I know there's stuff in the Illinois side of Saint Louis.
I know there's stuff on the you know, the Cincinnati
at Kentucky, there's places like that, but those are you know,
what was in Illinois and what was in Kentucky. It's
(29:15):
kind of growing up now. Johnson County, Kansas and Wyandotte County,
Kansas have been here just as long as the other
side of Missouri, but it just hasn't kind of grown
up as early in the eighteen hundreds or something, right,
So listen, this is I've said this before. I'm a
lifelong Jackson County liver voter. All of those things, except
(29:38):
at the time I was in college. I have a
pretty interesting background in that I have probably walked on
every single stair in both of those stadiums as a
food vendor, as a reporter, as a guy who's gotten
to sit in some fancy suites. I've been in the
locker rooms, I've been in the medical rooms, I've been
everywhere in those stadiums.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
It just occurred to me, that's interesting. You've probably covered
more of that place than anybody.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Who and I have been in the media so I
got to be there during some of the construction on
tours and see some of the guts and all. I mean,
I've got I've gotten to do a lot of stuff
in those stadiums, and I'm sad and upset that they
are leaving my county. Okay, But I'm also fifty five
years old, and I'm like, hey, man, I get business.
(30:23):
I know how this works, and Kansas worked really hard
to do this, and I think the devil will be
in the details. And you were seeing some of these
districts getting drawn on where the little sales taxes will
come they can opt in and do some things to
help pay these things off and all that stuff. And
you know it's when Governor Kelly says there'll be no taxes,
(30:43):
that's just semantics. People are paying for this stuff. So
I'm cool with it as long as they're in this town.
I get it. That's okay, all right, But it is
sad in a way because I you know, but I'll
tell you.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
This, They're going to flatten that place one day and
we're gonna feel people like you and me are gonna
look at it and we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Go it's too bad. But it was not like it
was there for six years. I think, is there fifty
plus years? The thing's gonna be there, and like, you know,
so the for just for a perspective for people we've
talked a lot about like when they built the stadium,
it was packed for like a year or two, and
then they weren't any good and then anyone could just
(31:25):
go in there for nothing and watch a game basically, okay.
And then when I first was a food vendor in
the nineteen eighty six season, eighty six Royal season, eighty
six Chief season, I remember going out there to the
opening game and they would have this little piece of
paper on the wall. They called it the spread, and
the spread would tell you how many coke vendors were
in this section, and how many peanut vendors and how
(31:46):
many you know, bud lights and whatever.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
I had all that stuff on it and have this
little thing up there expected attendance, and I remember that
was like it was going to be almost sixty thousand people.
They're like, this is pretty good opening day. Almost sixty
thousand people. Can you imagine? Like that was a really
good thing the first game of the year, And that's
what it was like. For all of those years until
Marty got there. So eighty six, eighty seven, eighty eight,
(32:10):
there be thirty thousand people in the stands, twenty thousand
people in the stands, so you can spare me with
it's been packed every day and by the way, it's
not packed last week when the Chargers were in town.
You can buy tickets for eleven dollars.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
And also the impact that Arrowhead had on this team.
I mean this team. That stadium saw two playoff games
or two playoff wins in its first forty six years
of existence.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Yes, we love it. It's great and build it's fun,
but it's been more fun lately than it was at
the beginning.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
The team made an iconic not the statement but exactly
it is what battery and backwards.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
It is what it is. I mean, so I'm a
little bit sad on that front, but I also understand
that that's progress. I mean, that's the way this stuff goes.
You can't also everything.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Also, they get the advantage of the way they've got
the land to make the experience almost exactly the same
as it was, and that's really.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Yeah, they'll have tailgating, all that stuff. It'll be just fine.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
And I want I want the team that I've rooted
for since I was a child to be as good
as it possibly can ten years from now. And that's
not at Arrowhead. That's where they're going to go. That's
that's the best off.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Now, how much of them make the money they get,
will they be able to guarantee in the team better
have the right quarterback right, you know? The next time.
That's how I go.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
That team doesn't win with a new place, they weren't
going to win Anarrawhead with it either, No, and now
they have the opportunity. Now how there are people who
are skeptical that that Lamar or Lamar the Clark's not
going to put the money that they get off this
back into Danny team. How they can.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
But I am a little bit worried Danny about you know,
they're gonna they haven't told us exactly where this is going,
but it's going out somewhere near the speedway. And I'm
a little bit worried about, you know, whatever district they
put around it, cannibalizing what's already there a little bit,
you know what I mean, because I think that's the
fear at any one of these things. How many quote
(34:00):
unquote entertainment districts do you need. That's what was the
fear of the Royals in East Village, you know, which
is only four blocks from P and L. But that's
if you're here. You can't be two places at once
if you're going to having fun, and the Chiefs are
only going to have ten dates a year, maybe eleven
for football games, maybe twelve or thirteen if you have
playoff games, you know. So I don't know what it's
(34:21):
going to be like. I don't know what their plan is.
If it's going to be retail or more apartments or
whatever it's going to be. I don't know. I don't
think it's going to be bullpark villagey type, you know,
like you see around a baseball Steadum. I think that's
going to be more for the practice facility, because that'll
be a little more like that. But I'm a little
bit worried about that part of it. But we'll see.
I mean, nothing mentioned, nothing gained.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
I guess well, I think that they just it was
almost a deal that they you know, Cark Hunt was
going to have to make a decision based on his
heart if he didn't take this deal. I mean, it's
too good a deal and it's you know, sweetheart deal
is probably that phrase was designed for this period. So
(35:02):
and we'll see if, like you say, Todd, I don't
know if you need another Legends. You know, the Legends
actually has done pretty well and still relatively thriving, I
would say, but do you need another exit? You know,
that's what you would build there A bunch of restaurants
and shops.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot of those restaurants and
shops that have been there for twenty years, but there
are plenty that have run through and gone away. And
that's that's just life. I mean, you know, it's those
are tough businesses, and retails harder than ever with being
able to buy anything you want and have it delivered
to your porch in six hours anymore, you know. So
that'll that'll be the part that's interesting, and that not
(35:40):
as many people and people are going back to work
more now, but there's a whole lot of you know,
right there is a great example. There were there were
those Cerner buildings that they called I think they called
that kind of continued campus whatever is. There's two big
buildings right there at four point thirty five and State,
and my son was an intern out there years ago.
And then they you know, they've stopped having people go
(36:03):
to work in those buildings kind of during COVID, and
then that they've been sold to Oracle and nothing from
that company's in those buildings. The Farmer's Insurance has bought
at least part of one of them, I don't know,
so their name is on it. So then that was like,
you know, that's workers. And you know, so if if
you don't have people going to there, there used to
be thousands of people working those buildings, well you know
(36:23):
what that is. That's thousands of people go to lunch,
you know, and now there's a little less of that
out there. So it's a little scary time for all
of those things. But for everyone who's mad that it's
a sweetheart deal, Listen, it was going to be a
sweetheart deal in Missouri too. It was a sweetheart deal everywhere.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
No professional owners signed a sweet deal. Isn't a sweetheart deal,
as you.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Mentioned that, I've even like, you know, San Cronky basically
paid for all the stuff out in LA but they
still got some tax breaks on the land and something.
I mean, there's nothing like you and I by things.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
And I've heard a handful of people push back on
reased on Twitter. Well, Lamar Hunt wouldn't have done this, Mike,
Lamar Hunt did this already. That they're and he's why
they're here.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Twice they came, I came.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
I wouldn't have signed this.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Deals came away from the city he loves more than anything, Yes,
from his home, and then moved once they were here.
So whatever, anyway, I don't know. We'll have to wait
and see how it goes. I'm sure there'll be trouble
along the way. It won't be that easy to get
it all done, because that's nothing as easy.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
As you say. They've as they said, they've won a
super Bowl, they've won a championship in every stadium they've
housed been housed in.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Well, if they don't want to maybe a ship in
the next one that it's gonna they're gonna be there
till I'm dead. Then that'll be another long stretch of
not good stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
A lifetime.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Yeah, it would be a lifetime. But we'll we'll see
and then we'll have to wait and see what's going
on with the Royals. I think it's gonna be suiter
them later because they're on the same kind of deadline
that this did not mean that this happening in Kansas
didn't mean that starbonds were done for the Royals in Kansas.
It didn't. They've been uh told to leave the party
every place they try to have a party in this
last little bit. So I think this makes them even
(38:00):
more important to the state of Missouri, But they still
haven't been able to get that nutcracked either. Do you
have a feel right now which side of the state
line the Royals will end up on?
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Well, I felt all along that the Chiefs were going
to stay at there ahead and the Royals were going
to go downtown. I still think they're really going to
go downtown, but the fact that the Chiefs did this
sort of clears the track. Anybody who you know, you know,
they've they've the Chiefs took the bullet. So if the
Royals do it, they'll only be the second team that
went over there and did it. They won't be, you know,
(38:33):
carpetbaggers at least the first ones.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Right.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
So, but I agree with you that I think for
Kansas City, Missouri, now it becomes much more important that
the Royals stay there. But the whole thing has been
a complete mess, and I think we're just glad that
and maybe faster. You know, as of six months ago,
this is probably faster than we thought it was going
to happen. As of three years ago, it's not as
fast as we thought it should happen, But as of
(38:57):
six months ago, it's probably faster than we thought.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
This has been going on for years, So I think
Clay County is still in play for the Royals. I
think that's an interesting spot up there. I think there's
a lot of challenges to it as far as traffic
and things like that, but they have a good plan.
I think the coolest place for Kansas City would be downtown,
whether that's Washington Square Park or somewhere close there. But
there are challenges there. I mean, there's all kinds of
(39:19):
bad blood there between ownership and government, and so I
don't know. I know that I agree with what you said.
Danny john Sherman wanted downtown baseball. That's what he went
when he bought the team. I don't know how long
he's gonna own this team though, Either he could be
about done with all this stuff, and you know, these
got a lot of owners there who maybe someone would
buy part of it. I don't know much to go
(39:39):
on that, but it certainly has been a historic week
in Kansas City because it is the first time I
ever went to this tapeaka State House. There you go,
I did that this week. There you go, we did
it all right. Danny Klinskial is unleased. One more with
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Welcome back into the program. I'm top lebo Infesser in
Petro on this Fridday. Curtis Sepolt is here, Kyle Colliers here,
Danny Clinkskale joins us on the phone, wrapping up Danny
unleashed and Danny, it's not the day for Thanksgiving, as
I said earlier, it's today after Christmas. You've been away
on Christmas on a trip. I've been seeing the pictures
on Facebook. Has it been.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
It's been a wonderful trip. It's a beautiful part of
the country. I've never been to Savannah, Georgia, which is
where we spent the first three plus days, and it's
an absolutely beautiful city. There's a bunch of what you
would call neighborhood squares just think of a town square,
but there's like they're all over the place. There's like
fifty of them. And it was the first American planned
community back in the seventeen hundreds when they started Georgia basically,
(41:32):
so it's really cool. It's beautiful, the trees are great,
the Spanish moths, that's that little extra touch to it.
There's a lot of amazing history here. We went to
the synagogue that is the home of the oldest Jewish
congregation in the United States, and it looks like a
cathedral more than a synagogue. But that dates back to
(41:53):
the eighteen forties or thirties, and the movie back in
the late nineties Midnight in the House of Good and
Evil is We visited that house. There are all kinds
of houses that you can tour as tourist attractions. The
food's fantastic. One lady who's had one of the restaurants.
We commented the food, who's really good, and she goes,
(42:15):
you don't make good food here. You're out of business
in four months, can you imagine. So it was really
really beautiful and we had a nice airbnb there and
then we bid on a back in I think it
was may bid on a week at a condominium at
Hilton Head and we want it and it's really a
(42:35):
great deal. I think our bid was twelve hundred dollars
and we got seven nights, which probably would usually cost you, like,
I don't know, twenty five hundred dollars. And it's really
really nice. And played golf the other day, and again,
this beautiful area is to drive around and the trees
are amazing, and Hilton Head is a remarkable community. And
(42:56):
the fact that they they when you drive around you can't.
They have the most strict zoning. Like when you went
to a Walmart. The only thing it says on the
front of it. It's the same kind of structure like
wood and whatever. All it says is Walmart on it.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Commercialized looking things.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
Yeah, there's nothing else on it. I mean, you can
hardly tell, you know. I went to Jersey Mike Sandwiches
the other day and there's none of the you know,
things that make usually you recognize something in this Jersey
mics white on a white background. There's Jersey Mike's in
their script. That's it and everything. Everything is set way
back in the trees, which is actually kind of difficult
(43:36):
to find things a little bit.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
But it's got your phone for right, and you can find.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
And we went to the movies yesterday and we saw
Marty Supreme, uh, which is the new Timothy Shallowing Pong
movie Ping Pong movie. Yeah, and it is that is
it is. He's fantastic, always very intense movie, very intense,
and he is plays a brilliantly a completely unlikable character.
(44:01):
So I can recommend the movie. But it's not like
it's a crazy romp at the theater. But we've had
a wonderful time. We've had great weather. But of course
you've had great weather back there. Seventy degrees here, but
I think it's about the same in Kansasit.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
It's a term cold for you to come home. Now
you set you going, Wow, did you do laundry? Did
you take enough clothes with you? Did not do launry?
Speaker 5 (44:21):
You? We had laundry in both places there we go.
There is great because I swear every day into my clothes,
so it's kind of nice. And you know, if I
don't have laundry, I literally will work out and then
I go in the shower with my workout stuff on.
Speaker 6 (44:35):
There.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
You go clean it up, buddy, and then wrench it up.
All right, Danny, Well, safe travels and we will see
you back here in Kansas City soon. Appreciate your time.
Glad you guys had a great trip. That is Danny
Clinkscale unleashed right here on the program on a Friday.
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