Kansas City Profiles Presented by Easton Roofing-Wall of Many Sounds-Marty Wall

A fascinating and delightful conversation with the lifelong KC resident carved out an esteemed career as a disc jockey, while also being a standout musical fixture in the area. Absorbing broadcast and band tales to enjoy!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Danny Clinkscale, Reasonably irreverent podcast, insightful and
witty commentary, probing interviews and detours from the beaten path.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome to Kansas City Profiles presented by Easton Roofing and
its surreal thrill and a pleasure for me to bring you.
Marty Wall the multi talented disc jockey, musician, golfer just
about everything you can imagine. He sometimes describes himself as
a million miles wide and six inches deep. He's a
lifelong Kansas City resident, a scholarship tuba player to the

(00:37):
University of Kansas and won many awards in that area.
He studied journalism and was going to be a reporter.
Was a reporter for a short period of time, found
that he was drawn more to the music side and
became a standout disc jockey for a long long time
at k Y one O two in the afternoon in
the evening, all the while pursuing his side hustle, which

(00:58):
is as an outstanding musician. He played the guitar and
the harmonica and sings. He has a rock and roll act,
he has a solo act, he has a duo act,
and recently he's expanded out to embrace the great American
songbook in his standard swing with the standards of the
day in a jazz setting. Truly a remarkable renaissance man

(01:18):
is Marty Wall. He also is a great storyteller where
he a tremendous broadcasting stories, stories about coming up in
the business among the many greats of Kansas City broadcasting,
and also his musical career. He's an avid runner, he's
an avid golfer, he loves to travel. He's just a
fun guy to be around. That's for darn Shore. And
it's a pleasure to bring you this conversation with a

(01:41):
wonderful storyteller and a truly accomplished man. And I am
very glad to call him my friend as well. The
Kansas City profile for this week it's a lot of fun.
It's Marty Wall and it's presented by Eastern Roofing.

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(03:01):
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There's a certain template I usually use to these UH

(04:37):
Kansas City profiles, of which I have done more than
a couple of hundred UH. And I usually start this
off by saying, Marty, you grew up in what Abo
and we will do that in a minute, but I
wanted to start off after the formal introduction by just
saying how much I'm looking forward to this. I really
admire your eclectic work and all the things that you're

(04:57):
good at and try, even if maybe you're not so
good at, which I haven't found one yet. We have
a lot of the same interests. We were both runners.
We love music, but you can play it, so anyway,
it's going to be a lot of fun. I'm really
looking forward to it. So with that, with those bouquets,
let's get rolling.

Speaker 7 (05:14):
Okay, sounds good. I would like to point out though,
that clearly after one hundred and fifty you are scraping
the absolute bottom of the barrel. I can't wait for
the fascinating tales I have for whoever might be listening. Also,
I'd like to offer a few predictions. My dog's will
bark at some point during this conversation, and Danny will
use a double word score word from scrabble. No, actually,

(05:35):
we should have an over under on that. We should
be at least five.

Speaker 8 (05:38):
We'll see. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
One of the reasons that these are very successful is
I don't talk very much. I just ask questions and
let the other person roll. That's what good interviewing is,
I think, so I'll try to be doing that. But
here's the normal start, which is, Marty grew up in
the Kansas City area and you're a lifelong Case resident.
Give me an idea of what it was like to

(06:01):
be you, say, six seven eight year old Marty Wall.

Speaker 7 (06:05):
Perfection, absolute perfection, unbeatable. Have not found a way to
rise above my youth in any way, shape or form.
It really was idyllic in Waldo, in a very small
house where you know you stayed out. It's cliche, but
perhaps because it's so true for so many Americans of

(06:26):
a handful of generations. You stayed out until the street
lights came on. You played with friends, you walked to school,
you had loving parents. Life was pretty simple. Nobody had
much money around where I lived. People drove one car
because that's what they did in like the fifties, sixties
and into the early seventies. Not want for much. Full

(06:47):
of love, Joy, and the radio is my constant companion.

Speaker 8 (06:54):
What did your parents do?

Speaker 7 (06:57):
My dad was a lifelong government employee, went directly from
the army to the postal service, but he worked on
the trains, sorting mail from here to Minneapolis and back.
And they would literally sort while standing in a car,
a box car, and they would sort it in order

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of the towns they visited between Kansas City and Minneapolis
and back, and then they would hang the mail out
on a bag and a grappling hook device would grab
it as the train sped by. Again right out of
the movies, Dinging Ding Ding Ding ding ding. But that
was a two to three day on four day off job.

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And he took up golf and never played it in
his life, and he became good quickly and became a
PGA professional, a club pro, and so he did both.
He worked two jobs through until I was about nine
years old. I guess. But through my brother and sister's
life sorting mail on the trains and then teaching golf

(08:03):
lessons and running a pro shop on the other days.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Where did he end up? Usually pros tend to move
around a little bit within the area or not.

Speaker 8 (08:12):
Where did he work?

Speaker 7 (08:14):
He only had two stops. He started at Swop Memorial
and the course up there on the hill that's being redone,
and also did some time at what was then Swope
Number two, which is now the Heart of America Golf Academy.
And then he moved from there to the old Blue
Hills Country Club, which was at sixty third in Pieso,
the site currently of the Metro Shopping Center of the

(08:34):
old Metro Patrol Division building, and worked there until it closed.
And then he put the clubs down at something he's
been gone a long time, so something I never fully
quite reckoned with. But a guy who spent so much
time golfing and did it professionally just put the clubs
in the garage and didn't touch him again until he
retired from the government government in nineteen eighty six. Then

(08:57):
he started playing again and did so until he.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Let's talk about what kind of passion well, clearly golf
was probably one of them. But what kind of things
did you enjoy when you were growing up?

Speaker 7 (09:09):
You know, I didn't play golf actually until high school,
and I was such an idiot. People have these stories,
I'm sure about their fathers, but there my dad was
this well spring of invaluable information about a game I
would come to love dearly. And I said, I screwed you,

(09:29):
old man, and sat and watched you know, the monsters
on TV and potato chips and got fat. And the meantime,
my best friend went out there. By this time we'd
move north of the river, but my best friend would
go out in the pasture behind our house and hit
you know, hundreds of balls, and he became the you know,
number two player, number three player on a state qualifying team.
And again I just ate a lot of chips and

(09:50):
watched pre runs. So anyway, I did pick it up
in high school. But I was also I had convinced
myself that simply because my father was professional golfer, I
would automatically be very good, and so I listened to
no one played a lot of horrible golf, and you know,
benefited almost nothing from the fact that my dad was

(10:11):
there as this potential resource. Did play baseball and loved it,
but did it badly and only played in you know,
all play leagues up north. Made my little all star
team once. You know, that's kind of funny. I did
it because I had these big, thick glasses and I
was struggling at the plate and an assistant coach, you know,

(10:32):
not playing much. Assistant coach came over and said, hey,
you know, let me talk to you about batting. And
he looks at me and he says, how do you
see the ball? And I said, well, you know, not
very well. And he said, well, let's try something. And
he turned me around like Brian Downing and put my
chin on my shoulder and I hit four sixty for
the because I could see the stupid ball. But at

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any rate, I loved it, but just had started late,
wasn't very good at it. Back in Waldo, we played
whiffletball every afternoon, and I didn't even I don't think
I owned a glove or picked up a glove until
I was probably almost ten. So a little late start
ten or eleven.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Whiffleball is a very good, very good resource to become
a baseball player. I became a pretty good baseball player,
And part of it was because we played whiffleball all
day long. Somebody's throwing fastballs at you from thirty feet away.
You kind of get some decent reflexes at the plate,
that's for sure.

Speaker 7 (11:26):
But it was a it was an absolute scientific freak.
But I once broke a plate glass window with a
line drive from wiffleball. And that was at like age nine,
and it was in a Waldo backyard, so not very deep.
But I'm bad at math. But the reason I was
in radio. I'm bad at math. But I mean it was,

(11:46):
you know, past the pitcher, past the second base, into
our little Waldo outfield. But I must have just hit
it pure right.

Speaker 8 (11:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (11:54):
I just thought, you know, oh my god, I'm in
trouble and I'm a complete hero. This is the greatest
thing I've ever done.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
How about music? Did you start to play music when
you were obviously you would eventually be a scholarship player.
When did you start to pick that up?

Speaker 7 (12:11):
Loved music my whole life. The great gift of having
a sister ten years older and a brother six years older,
a brother particularly enamored of music, so it was around
all the time my parents had. You know, my folks
were too old for Elvis, too old for rock and roll.
They were right at that cusp. My mom and dad

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got married in nineteen fifty two and you know, had
a couple of kids before Elvis showed up, and you know,
they were over that. So there were big band records
in my house and musical soundtracks and so those were
around in this May lounge with my oops I beat
you to the double word score. Anyway, I went in
this May lounge with all my brothers and sisters records

(12:54):
and the radio constantly playing. So music was around and
I sang, but I didn't do anything. Wasn't taught anything
until oh, I guess I made did I mess with
piano lessons for you know, a few months or something.
But I got into the junior high band program at
Park Hill and picked up the tuba and got really

(13:16):
excited about it pretty quickly, and picked up harmonica at
the same time, and uh got you know, got good
at it, studied with the principle of Kansas City Symphony,
got a scholarship KU, and was really hooked on hooked
on music from the get go. I can't imagine the
time in my life when it wasn't a part of
my life, and then hooked on playing it in some way,

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shape or form, starting at about age eleven.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
How did you get hooked on the tuba, especially somebody
who eventually now plays, you know, guitar and harmonica and
sings and also does standard swing, which we'll talk about, Uh,
you know with the probably the influence of the big
bands and.

Speaker 8 (13:53):
Stuff like that. But how about the tuba.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
How'd you get how'd you think that was cool when
maybe most people wouldn't think it was very cool.

Speaker 7 (14:00):
Well remember the fat kid who sat in the potato chips?
And so they do they look at a kid and think, okay,
they look at his lips. The bigger the better generally speaking,
or perhaps the reverse of that that I can't get
somebody with really fat lips, maybe as a harder time
with a French horner and trumpet. So anyway, they steer

(14:21):
the bigger bodied kids to the tuba. And park Hill had,
I mean an unbelievable band program, incredible participation. I still
had recordings of bands that were before mine that I
listened to, and to think those are high school kids,
I mean just playing transcript transcriptions of Tchaikowsky symphonies like

(14:44):
it blows my mind, playing circus marches at insane speeds.
Just they were The band program was phenomenal. So anyway,
we had between two junior highs and a high school.
We had thirty eight tuba players. Wow, I was in
eighth grade. Yeah, it was something else. So band was
a big deal. You weren't really a band geek at

(15:04):
park Hill. I think it was kind of a sighted pursuit.
And by my senior year, I think we sent eight
to all state banned. I was one of them. I mean,
just high schools don't do that. It was just a
great place to be.

Speaker 8 (15:18):
And of course you would choose KU.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Was there any particular I mean, obviously that's a kind
of a natural thing, you know, to go to KU
from this area. But was there any other thoughts in mind?
Obviously you were good enough to get some money to
play in college. Were there other offers? What did you
consider anything else?

Speaker 8 (15:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (15:38):
I didn't consider Ku. I had I had two friends
who had gone there a year ahead of me, and
we had college days we had to use, so there
were free days, right, And so after I had already
considered my college choices and chosen get ready for at
the University of Missouri. I went on a college day
to KU and I hung out with my friends and

(15:59):
I thought, this place is cool. You know, I like it,
but I'm going to Missoo and you know, I didn't
have any of that. I didn't grow up with any
of the Missoo Ku stuff. I'm first generation college I
wasn't around people who went to college. Park Hill was
a blue collar school. The guys that I ran around
with nine of us. I think if seven of us
core guys, three attempted college to finished and I'm the

(16:21):
only one with an advanced degree, so it was it
was more of a blue collar environment. So I had
full rides to a couple of smaller schools into like
state schools like Central Missouri State, and then I had
half ride to Missoo. And I wanted to do journalism
and they would offer me a music scholarship while allowing

(16:43):
me to major in journalism. So it was good to
go set the Missoo. All about Missoo, I'd been to
journalism camp there. That's where I was going. But my parents,
not knowing how to navigate college waters, had not perhaps
completed the paper work for housing well enough, you know,
they didn't know what they were doing. And so I

(17:05):
was on a waiting list for housing. And let's say
I was number thirty eight or something in April, and
you know, I'm then I'm thirty six, and then I'm
thirty four. Well it gets to July and my dad
is calling every two weeks in it's long distance, and
you know, he did not part with a dime. He
didn't have many dimes to part with, but he didn't
part with them happily. And he'd be put on hold

(17:26):
at Miszoo. And on July twenty sixth of nineteen eighty two,
he calls and they say, yeah, he's number forty one,
and my dad said, well, he was thirty six last week.
Well he's number forty one. He said, you want to
double check that he's been you know, thirty six. Yeah,
he's forty one, okay, And he hung up and he

(17:48):
went downstairs, woke me up and said, get up, son,
we're going to Lawrence And we went there and made
an appointment with the band director. Because I knew I
wanted to play a band, right and you know, the
journalism thing was fine. I knew I could do journalism
kau and the band director looked at my resume and said,
you were all state banned. You studied with the Kansas

(18:08):
City Symphony. You you know, one solos, all this stuff,
and said, hold on a second, and he wrote and
addressed Stronghoul on the KU campus, you know, like one
twenty one Strong Hall. It was in basement. Never forget it,
he said, you go. He was from Texas. Bob Foster.
He said, you go down there and you tell him
that Bob Foster sent you and you asked for Klanta mccurty.

(18:30):
You go right to the front of the line. So
we go to Strong Hall, my dad and I. We
walk to the front of the line. I had him
this piece of paper. They get me into the vice
president of financial aid and I walk out of there
with my dad having to pay. I think it was
two hundred and fifty dollars for me to go to KU.
I got essentially a full ride minus housing, right. I

(18:51):
got all other stuff taken care of. And about six
months ago I was looking through a box and I
found that piece of paper. Wow, and I just I
just thought, you know, this is right here, man, this
is the Resetta Resetta stone. This is this is the
key This little piece of paper became, you know, the

(19:13):
keystone to my whole future because k you absolutely, radically
and fundamentally changed my life.

Speaker 8 (19:20):
Tell me about the experience at KU.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
You were there, obviously, you said in the early eighties
you played in the band. The football team was either
kind of okay sometimes or I was wrapping up there
at KU. Then after a long stint, which is for
another podcast. But but the band that the basketball team

(19:44):
was good for a couple of years early, but then
they were terrible in eighty three when I was the
year I did the games. So that was part of
the experience, was playing the band at both the basketball
and football games.

Speaker 8 (19:56):
But how about the rest of it.

Speaker 7 (20:00):
Yeah, I'll start with that part of it. I got
there the year after Fambro all the way with Fammed
out of bad Ambro took him to the Hall of
Fame Bowl in eighty one. In eighty two, fall of
eighty two, I get there, and you know, Fambro struggles
to what I recall was a two seven and two
season if my math is correct, either tied it got

(20:23):
beaten by Wichita State. Anyway, he was shown the door
and those gottfree teams there in the couple of years
following right would have one of those would have been
boiled eligible by today's standards. Those were some decent teams
went out and on a road game beat USC as
I recall the famous victory over Oklahoma. That's another Bob
Foster story. They rolled their bus in we were doing

(20:46):
the morning band rehearsal and Oklahoma drive their bus all
the way down and around onto the track which I
had not seen before, just behind the south end zone goalpost,
and we're just wrapped, big up marching band rehearsal and
a couple of bus loads of kids roll off there
with what would now be seen as normal behavior. And

(21:07):
there's nothing wrong with this, but it was not standard.
It was boomboxes blaring, it was kids in you know,
kind of warm ups instead of suit and tie and
all that kind of thing. And they just were clearly
taking the entire afternoon or morning rather very casually. And
that was afternoon. This was Friday afternoon band rehearsal and
Bob Foster on the ladder pulled us close and said,

(21:30):
are you kids, that's a team that has a look
of getting beat and they did. We won that game anyway,
So and then basketball. I was there my freshman year
in basketball. Band was I was teed Owen's last year. Yeah,
And as hard as it may seem to believe, and
I knew nothing different because I hadn't been around that environment.

(21:54):
I've ever been down Fieldhouse. Wasn't a college basketball fan
in particularly, I paid attention to a little bit. I
was a Royals fan and a Tom Watson fan essentially
growing up. But Allen field House would be you know,
half to three quarters.

Speaker 8 (22:09):
Full, right, I did those games. I was there them.

Speaker 7 (22:13):
Yeah. So you may recall Memphis State and Keith Lee
came to town and the place was jammed and it
was loud, and they were stopping on the bleachers and
I looked at my buddy, you'd grown up in Lawrence,
and said, what is this? Right, Well, that's Allan field House.
It had just taken a year off or so, right.
But as we all know, that was sort of, you know,

(22:36):
a trick of fate for ted Owens, because Larry Brown
would take those same players plus a couple and do
very well in the next few years. But I was
there for all those all those.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Years, and on the other side, you're a journalism student
and headed maybe towards the career in that direction.

Speaker 7 (22:53):
Yeah, it was. It was always journalism. I had made
the decision. You know, I don't know how I had
the wherewithal to do this at age seventeen, but without
any real counseling help at park Hill, no counseling help. Really,
it wasn't a strong suit. For whatever reason, I just
kind of looked at the world around me and thought
I'd run into some people who'd gone into music professionally.

(23:18):
And I had been on my high school newspaper and
I was accomplished for you know, for that time of
my life. I had won a state award for as
a columnist. I won the Kansas City Star Award for
Excellent in high School Journalism eating nice little plaque and
misprint your name is Mary Wall in the Star, which
is nice, nice, but so And I heard Ben Bradley

(23:41):
on the old Larry King Show talking about what journalists were,
and he said, they're curious, they're interested, and they have
a facility with the language. They can write, and if
they have those things, I can make them a journalist.
And I thought, you know, full of myself at the time,

(24:02):
I can write, I've got these right high school journalism, lord,
So I'll major in journalism and pursue music as an
avocation because I had met some musicians who had seemed
to sort of sour on the pursuit of it as
a business, right, So somehow I made that decision journalism
as a career and music as an avocation, and I

(24:25):
think that was absolutely the right choice. I should have
taken a few more theory classes somewhere along the way
to become better at figuring out what I do musically,
but music as a career would have been a long road. Journalism,
which I originally envisioned as being a reporter, didn't last
very long. Opened up the doors of radio, and that
was just a candy land. It was a blast, an

(24:46):
amazing career and paid a lot better. And you know
it was a good choice.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
So tell me about the short stint as a journalism
person or a reporter as it were, and why you
decided to go in a different direction.

Speaker 7 (25:00):
So I had been enamored of radio, as I mentioned,
I think since a very young age. And my best
friend in high school grew up across the street from
Dan Urbeck, who's a right very local radio reporter, and
when we were twelve or thirteen, he took us to Cambz,
where he worked at the time, on weekends and he

(25:21):
just let us clown around in there. Well, this was
the canby z of Mike Murphy and Kurtmer's and Ray
Dunaway and Don Fortune, you know, just to who's who
of Kansas City Media. And we would go and make
goofy cassette tapes of their silly little sounds they used
on their shows, and you know, record songs that we liked,

(25:43):
and label all our stickers with the little custom Cambz
cassette labels and just had the time of our life.
But that formed a relationship. And when I was a
sophomore at KU, well I'm not even in the journalism school.
I called my buddy and said, Tom, do you think
Dan would you know, talk to me about an internship?

(26:03):
So I called him and he said sure, And so
I did this unofficial internship for no college credit. And
by that time he had moved to KCMO, and that
was a unbelievable radio station. Its ownership at the time
had committed to full on news, not so much talk.

(26:29):
It was essentially a full news station kind of like
what WBBM in Chicago would have been. Right, there's one
still at least as of a few years ago in Atlanta.
WSB might have been that way. But so that required
a tremendous financial investment, and they made it for whatever reason.
And they had oh my goodness, I can't remember the staff,

(26:50):
but I mean everybody who was anybody in radio news
except probably Charles Gray and a few others were on
case CMO. And they had a full time reporting staff.
They covered the courthouses, they you know, breaking news everything,
and they did it, you know, twenty four to seven.

(27:11):
And I walked into that as a kid. And then
Dan's taking me around to cover you know, federal extortion trials,
sitting in front of these steamed and grizzled federal judges,
mustering up a way to ask him a question, you know,
covering massive fires, driving through you know, abandoned fields to

(27:32):
try and get closer to the flames. Just I mean,
that guy was intrepid overused word, but man and fearless
and and away with words he was. He did so
much with so few words, so descriptive, a talent beyond
his station. I suppose that's a pun, but at any rate,

(27:54):
that was my exposure initially. And I would go in
late at night, pardon me, and record news, fake newscast,
just take wire copy and read the news and the
format of KCMO, and it made these tapes. So I
get to my junior year at KUM and the J
school and my professor says, hey, he knows I'm in
love with radio. They're trying to get me to do TV.

(28:15):
But I said, no, I'm watch your radio. And he said,
they've got an opening at the local five hundred wade
AM daytimer KLWN, and Lawrence, why don't you, you know,
give this guy a call, Hank Booth and see if you,
you know, get this job. So I go over there
and I give them my tape and they hire me.
So I'm doing morning news on the Saturday and Sunday morning,

(28:37):
and I'm doing two days a week anchoring and reporting,
and I'm covering the school board. So I do my
first newscast and my news director, jove On says, hey,
you know that was pretty good. You you know, sounded
good And I said, yeah, I know. I wasn't nervous
at all for my first time. And he said, well,
the first time you did all that stuff at KCMO,

(28:59):
I said, no, I was fake. This is my first
time on the air. Ever, he had no idea he'd
hired this kid. I was nineteen, this kid who had
never been on the radio. Because I didn't I didn't
hand them off as though they were legit. I thought
they knew they were fake. But anyway, I also had CACMO,

(29:20):
by the way, interned for Kevin Harlan, who had just
the boy. He would have done those what two years
with Tom Hedrick doing you'd know this better than I.
You were there paying attention. But he, you know, those
two flamed out quickly and had gone to KCMO and
ca CMO. This is still shocking to believe. Had the Chiefs,

(29:42):
the Royals, the Comets, and the Kings, right, So Wayne
Lairvie was doing the Chiefs, Harland was doing the Kings.
Can't collabro I think was doing the Comets. And they
may have had a college too, I can't remember how
they fit. They used the FM to case EZ to
air some of the games. But Harlan, would you know,

(30:04):
he was just barely out of college and he'd come
in from a night in Lawrence, you know, hand me
instructions to call Peter Gammon's at a certain time, or
grab some actualities here off the wire or whatever, and
then he'd go take a nap in the lady's lounge.
I'd prep his show. Then he'd do the Royals pre
game and postgame. But just to be around all that
stuff at eighteen, how lucky was I?

Speaker 2 (30:25):
That's amazing. So you get out of college and what
was the first step.

Speaker 7 (30:32):
I stayed at KLWN because I had become full time there.
They made me the morning news guy and worked with
a brilliant guy named Bob Shulty who never left well,
and he did a stint in Denver for a while,
but he was comfortable in Lawrence and had another job there.
But he was again much more talented than the market.

(30:52):
And I probably owe my eventual approach to personality radio
more to him than anyone. So I stayed there, but
it was and I tried to I loved Lawrence so
much as people who go there do. I tried to stay,
but they wouldn't pay me, of course, and I like
took that personally and like an idiot, not realizing that
they are budgets and markets and you got to move now.

(31:14):
I was a little tired of the fact that I
kaled o w N five hundred am daytimer. They signed
off at sunset, and when you'd go you'd play this
like recorded him at the close of broadcast. Now the
day has end, you know, just this riefy thing. And
then you'd go down and you'd literally pull this big

(31:34):
crank and shut the radio station off, and I swear
to God, the transmitter emitted an audible sigh. It was
just like, you know, I'm tired after kicking out these
five hundred watts, when the when the when the lightning
would strike the transmitter. Then you had to go out
to hit the auxiliary transmitter. What was that like a
five watts? I mean they were maybe broadcasting to Walmart

(31:57):
across the street. But you'd started with a lawnmower engine
and that would fire up the radio station and it
was in a tin shed, and of course when you
did this, there was always a lightning storm. And I thought,
you know, I'm kind of done going out a lawnmower
engine in a metal shed during an electrical storm. So

(32:19):
I got hired at canby Z, which was amazing, and
it happened through my friend Dan Burbeck, and there I
end up working around Noel Heckerson and they've done away.
And I mean to be so lucky to be at
those two radio stations to start. Not that their other
radio stations weren't good in town, but you know, as

(32:40):
far as talent goes, it was those two and the
one I would go to next. I mean, I got
lucky and worked at the three big flame thrower radio
stations in Kansas City.

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Speaker 2 (35:36):
Our guest is Marty Wall, he said, longtime broadcaster now
does stuff on his own voiceover work. Longtime musician. You
can still see him at multiple venues, playing his guitar
or doing his new thing with the standards of the day,
which my wife and I are dying to go see,
and we haven't done it yet, and we're stupid. And
my wife said yesterday when I talked to her, you know,
we've just got to go.

Speaker 8 (35:56):
We just got to go.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
So we'll talk about that a little bit later. Talk
about the transition to being a DJ.

Speaker 7 (36:04):
Well, I had tried the general assignment reporting and anchoring
because I just kind of thought that's what journalists did.
I kind of didn't realize that what I really liked
was radio, just the art of it. I liked talking
on the radio, and when I got to work at
the job, I realized, wait a minute, you're a reporter.

(36:24):
And there were aspects of it I enjoyed. I was
a good writer. I could write the copy, but I
did not like reporting. You know, you'd go to a
cover a house fire, and that fire captain did not
want to talk to you, right, and no one knew
less about a fire than me, And that was something
I was going to have to get used to ongoing.

(36:46):
I was always going to be the guy who knew
the least some people are comfortable with that. I was not.
I was always going to be speaking to people in
positions of power and authority who knew more than I
did about whatever subject I was asking them about. I
was uncomfortable with that. I remember chasing it was Reagan's

(37:06):
chief of staff, Don Reagan through Crown Center Hotel to
ask him some question that probably somebody had given me
or maybe I'd figured out somehow, And I just thought, man,
I'm so overmatched. Kit Bond came by as a senator
to Cambz and he was doing some tour, and you know,
they called the radio station. He said, he's got a
few hours, you know, you know, he's got a half
hour whatever, Can he come by for an interview. I'm

(37:27):
the only one there. I have no freaking idea what
to ask the guy. I was just I was ill prepared,
and so I did fine. I mean, nobody thought I
was bad at it. I was pretty good at breaking news.
I could tell people what was happening. I could communicate.
I just didn't enjoy the reporting process. And so I thought,
I love the Royals. They need a part time, you know,

(37:48):
and they need a third member of the team with
Bob Davis, and no relation Kevin Wall to do the
Royals pregame and post game. I'll do that, and so
they hired me. I made a big presentation. I still remember,
you know, love the Royals, lifelong fan. You know, I
can tell you that Larry Gurry's middle name is Cyril. Right,
It's just all the minutia I had. But but I

(38:10):
didn't know how to do that job either. And boy
Dean Vogel, I hated my DUTs and I just sucked
at it. I mean, let's just say it straight out.
And I just didn't know how to get better. People
were trying to help me. So in the midst of
that flaming out, Ray Dunaway, who was a legendary morning
guy and one of the most talented people I've ever
met in my life, said, you know, maybe you think about,

(38:35):
you know, doing some being a DJ. You know, you're
you're witty, you're quick on your feet, whatever, so go
get some experience. So I went back to Hank Booth
and Lawrence and I started, you know, doing these Sunday
night shifts for twenty five people listening, right, and got
some tape together and I swear Danny like it couldn't
have been. It was months later Ray Dunaway says, I

(38:59):
want you to fill in for me in the morning.
So I filled in, you know, pressing to Bob Davis
doing sports, pitching to Noel Heckerson doing news, Brian Busby
doing weather, and just yucking it up and having a
good time. And I always had a you know, my
level of conversation was always beyond my years. My vocabulary

(39:20):
was good, and I was glib, and so I fit it.
I was kind of the perfect traffic cop, you know,
in that format, and so it was good enough. They
then made me the midday guy. So now I'm spinning
records on an AM radio station and having the time
of my life and people like it, and I'm doing well.

Speaker 8 (39:41):
And.

Speaker 7 (39:42):
You know, I think, Okay, I guess that's what I'm
going to do. And they started pulling the music off
the air. They made the morning show all news, right,
and then they put Sports line in the afternoon with
John Dolittle and Kevin Wall, leaving me on an island
playing Taylor records and you know, talking to local merchants

(40:04):
or some guy about the play that was coming through town.
Just you know, talking to callers and goofing around playing
doing bits, and uh, I thought, boy, this can't last
very long. And I called me into the office one
day and said, you know, we're taking you off and
we're putting Rush Limbaugh in place. And I said, what
took you so long? I mean, he was a phenomenon, right,
and as much as I wasn't a fan of his politics,

(40:27):
I was a fan of his ability.

Speaker 8 (40:29):
As he's a great broadcaster, yes, spectacular.

Speaker 7 (40:32):
So anyway, they expected to fire me, and I said, well,
I bear no grudge here. There's some other stuff I
can do, isn't there And he kind of looked at
me like he wasn't prepared for it, said yeah, hold
on a minute, and he went outside and talked to
the vice president and came back in and they moved
me to another part time spot on the FM and
had me board off Rush Limbaugh. And that was fine,

(40:55):
and I did that for another couple of years. But
in the midst of that I had discovered Westport and
I didn't drink all the way through high school or college,
very serious student, graduated on time, you know, three degrees,
all that stuff, and it was my little high school.

(41:16):
My college days were actually, you know, i'd kind of thought,
I'm putting around here not doing much with radio. I'll
finish my masters, maybe i'll teach school, you know, and
I'll work in a bar. And that's what I did.
And so that was, you know, I had my fun days.
And I was started disc jockeying happy hour at a

(41:41):
bar in Westport where we would rip off David Letterman
and do like belcroaches jumping and trivia contests and all
kinds of crazy stuff for boozy workers at you know,
five point fifteen in the afternoon on a Friday, and
Paul fred Rocks showed up and he talked to me,
and anyway, eventually I skipped a step. Somebody had called

(42:03):
me at the Fox, and I bought out the Chiefs
and did some part time over there. But Max Floyd
and Fred Rocks and a guy named Larry Moffatt had
heard me on Canney Z and thought I was pretty good,
and then they'd heard me filing on the Fox and
thought I was good. August of ninety two, they offered
me a job at k Y one O two, and again,
what's the luck? So I go to Signal Hill with

(42:26):
Charles Gray and David Lawrence and Max Floyd you know,
just again surrounded by these titans, and I'm twenty whatever,
I was four, and they gave me nights and that
turned into afternoons, and it was thirteen years of rock
and roll, and that's where I.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Belonged a great thirteen years. We certainly crossed paths there.
It was always fun to be in that KMBZ area
because you could just walk in and you know, talk
to somebody while they were playing records, and all these
people were here and all the stations said that basically
the studio sort of closed to you know, opened up
onto the newsroom. So it was really fun place to work.

Speaker 7 (43:04):
Yeah, that was after Just for a point of clarity,
if anybody's keeping score at home, that last was five three.
And also so we left Signal Hill right, moved to
that complex than he's talking about in Westwood when we
were acquired by our intellectual property and boys that the
wrong term essentially was acquired by Bonneville and Intercom, and

(43:25):
that's when we were all together there at Cannabysy and
that was ky over there too, but it was a
different slightly different station.

Speaker 8 (43:31):
Yeah, yeah, different iteration.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
So during those thirteen years, did you so you enjoyed it.
You found your you completely found your your muse as
it were.

Speaker 7 (43:40):
In that I think so I loved music. This was
before the internet, so I build myself as the king
of useless information because I had retained all this information
about music, the recorded music that we played. I could
tell you, you know who was playing guitar on this right,
you know, something about when it came out, or blah
blah blah. I was full of all that stuff, and

(44:01):
that was actually, you know, respected at the time. It
was a little hook for me. And then I did
my same goofy bits i'd done at Gabe Easy, except
they were a lot edgier. They had hired me to
be the young guy. So I played alternative music there
which had never been played really in Kansas City at all.
I think we were the first radio station to play
ram and stuff that had been passed over. It was

(44:22):
older music, but Joe Jackson and talking heads and all
that stuff, and that was my That's what I did.
I did that at night. The rest of the radio
station didn't play it, and then they just Moffitt said
do a morning show at night, So we did tons
of bits. Crazy Elvis pharmacists and forgetting them all now.
But I go back and listen to tapes and forgot
I even did them. But it gave me a chance
to do my character voices and to write, and it

(44:46):
was just it was just a playground, and it was
just a spectacular job. And then you're hanging out at
rock and roll shows. Because I was a young guy,
they would have me host the shed shows that would
come through town. Right. They were group tours, Planet Party,
Horde Tour, and they'd feature bands like Soul Asylum or

(45:06):
Blues Traveler or they're bigger bands. I'm forgetting now, Cheryl
Crowe and I would get to interview all these people
and present them on stage and hang out backstage again.
At this time now I'm probably twenty six or something.
You know, life's going pretty well. That couldn't ask for
a better life. It was an outstanding time to be

(45:28):
at those radio at that radio station and to be
at my age.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Well, in the little bio you sent over, which was
funny and enjoyable, obviously, as you always are, you said,
same house, same wife since nineteen ninety six. How did
you wife meet your wonderful wife?

Speaker 7 (45:47):
Oh I in a bar, of course, Danny, I was
doing a radio remote for a benefit we were doing
for flood victims in the flood of ninety three. So
this was August at ninety three, and this flood was
at many different bars, but the headquarters was my broadcast
at the Buzzer Beach in Westport, which also happened to
be my bar, the place where I hung out, where

(46:09):
they knew my name and what i'd rand, and we
were doing a goofy bit. Channel forty one had come over.
They had just started doing news. They weren't NBC at
the time, they were unaffiliated, and they were doing kind
of a hip, young newscast, and so they decided they
would cover the little rock and roll benefit. And I
can remember I was some guy was doing a live

(46:30):
shot and I had dangled the cable of my microphone
which said KY one or two on it, turned it
upside down so that I read right side up, and
I was swinging it back and forth this guy's head
doing a live shot. Anyway, my wife had heard all
this these hijinks on the radio and said I'll go
down there. She'd never been there in alive, and you know,
see what's going on. And by that time the broadcast

(46:51):
had ended, and I had gotten up and sang with
some friends of mine, become the guys that I would
play with for the next thirty years, singing Elvis tunes.
And she thought that that was silly, and she'd maybe
had a few and pulled me off stage and said,
let's go get a drink and she went up and
I thought, well, this is going to be like, you know,
sex on the beach or some other deefy girl shot

(47:11):
and she say Jamison and a Budweiser, and I thought, Okay,
I've met somebody here, and that was it. I had
not I had one serious girlfriend in college and just
dating around a little bit. But she rocked my world.
So been there ever since.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Well I'll do it because it said, I bring up
at the slightest prompting. She's an accomplished pilot.

Speaker 7 (47:36):
Yeah, she had tended bar and her dad was a
naval pilot World War Two in Korea, and she had
been enamored of that. And she was one at that
time given to not really impulsiveness sort of the wrong word,
but because it well, I don't know, maybe it was impulsive,
but she was given to sort of quick decisions about

(47:58):
I think I'll do this, I'll do that. Very appealing,
I thought, because I was a much more practiced and
you know, get lost in my head far too often,
or spontaneity appeal to me. But anyway, at some point
she's like, I'm going to take flying lessons. She did,
and then she went through the flight program pilot program
at CMSU and now whatever it is, And anyway, she

(48:20):
became a pilot and an accomplished one, started selling airplanes
and then became began a career within aviation at one
of the largest aviation firms in the world. And she's
been there for like twenty years, but she has a
lot of hours. It was a very good pilot, had
worked with really incredible teachers. So yeah, it's I think

(48:41):
that's very cool.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
You mentioned that the guys that you would play with
for thirty years, right about as this sort of terrestrial
radio was starting to take a turn towards the end.
Is that when you start playing music.

Speaker 7 (48:54):
Yeah, but that was not you know, that was not
I didn't make that decision thinking about my future at all.
I just always loved music. I had an acapella group
in college that did very well. That was pretty weird.
Actually we did Motown covers and it was me, the blonde,
white kid, and three black guys, one of whom was

(49:17):
about four foot six or so. So we were a
commanding presence and perhaps a disarming presence. And I sang lead,
so I'm singing all this falsetto. It was just like,
what are these guys on? Anyway, we struck a chord somehow.
Again here I am with the puns unintentionally, but we

(49:38):
got popular to the point where I would walk across
campus and people would like it, would sense them turning
their heads or whispering about me. I remember after we
did one show, I walked into the wheel and the
place stood up and applauded, and like, well, this is crazy,
but in this weird, silly, goofy college way for this,

(49:59):
you know, a cappella harmony group. It gave me this
feeling of like, ooh, well this must be It sounds
silly to say it, but in its own tiny little way,
this must be what fame is like. And I don't
think I like this, you know, like radio, you hid
behind all that stuff, but people looking at you. It
was weird. Anyway, I had done that, and I had
stopped doing music for a while and a girl I

(50:24):
dated it had given me a guitar and I putted
around with that, took a hour wret class at KU
to learn some chords, and my wife bought me a
guitar in ninety six, and it was much easier to play.
The guitar I had was beat up and hard to play.
I thought I just sucked, But I did suck, but
I didn't suck as bad as I thought I did.
And when I got this new guitar, I got much

(50:46):
better quickly and went to my palace and said, well
what if we played out? Because I knew I could sing,
and said, well sure, So I started playing bars and
have done so ever since. Got to the point about
ten years in where we paid one hundred and fifty
one dates year, wow, because radio afforded me. That not
only afforded me that ability because I worked a four
hour airshift, but also encouraged it because it got me

(51:09):
as a personality out among the people. So you know,
we did Tom Foolery's on the Plaza for thirteen consecutive
years as the Sunday night houseman, and that was, you know,
good for everybody. It was exposure for all parties, so
it was just a blast.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
You also dabbled a bit at the end of your
radio career, a terrestrial radio career as a sports talk host.

Speaker 7 (51:36):
I did. That was forced upon me. Essentially. I spent
the last seven years of radio expecting every day to
get fired because I had started young, been successful and
with every contract you make more money, right, and you know,
make less money. So I was I proceed myself to be,

(52:01):
you know, at the top of the payscale. For my
day part. I was doing afternoon drive, you know, in
the twenty eighth largest market in the country. I was
doing pretty good. And I saw them cutting costs all around, right,
and I saw them firing other people. I saw them
doing night shows on tape or nationally syndicated, and so

(52:23):
I started making myself more valuable by begrudgingly taking on
what radio is called imaging. I was talented as an
audio editor, so I picked it up quickly and I
did all the drops and bumpers and all that stuff
for KY one or two for KY and that kept
me alive for another few years. I wrote commercial copy

(52:45):
that you know, I was valuable on multiple fronts, and
so that kept me until two thousand and five, and
my PD came in and said, you know they I
did a remote in Westport, or No. I did a
remote at the Big Eight tournament and I did a
parody song, which I'm still very proud that poked fun
of all the schools fans. So you know, the KU

(53:05):
fans were stuck up, and the k State fans were
hay seeds, and the Colorado fans, oh wait, there weren't
any Colorado fans and all that kind of stuff, right,
And all the vps were in town and they heard
it and they thought, this guy can talk about sports,
but doesn't have to be a sports guy. That's what
we want to do with this sports station, six ten sports.

(53:28):
So they hired me to be this reverend guy who
talked about sports and Danny a month in somebody at
corporate says, we don't want to do that. We're going
to call ourselves the Football Channel. We're going to go
heavy chiefs, and we're going to be dedicated sports stock.
And I'm like, we're what. I love sports, but I'm

(53:48):
not Danny Klinkski. I'm not surend Petro, I can't what
So you know, you have to keep a job. I
know one sport I know baseball. I could talk right,
you know, legitimately about baseball the rest of it. Man,
I was swimming upstream all the time, but I stayed
alive somehow, and I didn't I can't say I loved it,

(54:10):
but in fact, at times I hated it. I gravitated
towards any time to talk you know, baseball, and I
ended up closing my radio career book ending it perfectly
because if you'll recall, if someone wants to go into
the footnotes, deep into this conversation, rewind the reel to reel,
you'll hear that I said I was horrible at the

(54:31):
Royal spregame and postgame show when I did it as
a twenty three year old in nineteen eighty eight. I
got a chance to do it again in two thousand
and eight, and I think I did a really good job.
And that was the way I closed my career. They
fired me from that in the recession of two thousand
and eight, and I had started voice work by that
time and successful already as a side hustle, and turned

(54:54):
to that full time and never.

Speaker 8 (54:56):
Looked back, never looked back.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
In that you've never looked back in your musical pursuits either,
and over the last couple of years, you've expanded out
your performing to tackle the Great American Songbook. Tell me
about developing that.

Speaker 7 (55:12):
Something I always wanted to do, didn't know if I could.
Singing rock and roll allows you to use every possible shortcut,
because the palette is unlimited. In singing rock and roll,
if that's the broad term we'll use for it. You
can growl, you can almost cough your way through a song.

(55:33):
You can be Tom Waits, you can be Tom Petty,
you can be Linda Ronstadt. You have a beautiful voice. Anyway.
You can do anything, but with the standards, you have
to honor a certain stylistic I believe you're under certain
stylistic constraints to do justice to the song, so you can't.
You know, one little crutch that rock and roll stole

(55:56):
from hillbilly music is the slight yodel, which allows you
to go into your falsetto back and forth, and you
can bend over notes, and it's a it's not a crutch,
but it is a crutch and a tool. I can't
do that, so I spent probably four or five years
mostly in the shower, just singing these songs, trying to

(56:16):
do them correctly and honoring phrasing and all these things
that you have to do. And then I finally did
an open mic night and that went well, and I
just started, you know, kind of like cold, approaching really
good jazz musicians in town and pleading my case. And
eventually one keyboard guy said, Michael Pagan, said yeah, all right,
come over to the house. And I go over there

(56:39):
and he starts playing a couple of songs and we
do one straight and then the second song he shortens
the A section and goes to the bridge. I catch it.
He second one. The next song he goes and he
modulates in the bridge. I catch it. You know, he's
throwing me curveballs. Can I play? And I caught him
all and he stopped like midway and goes, Okay, we

(56:59):
can do this, and so he thanks God it took
a chance on me. And since then I've been I've
played with multiple, you know, the best cats in town.
I mean, I've been lucky enough to play with them.
So that's just really started. That's been the last two years.
It's going very well and I love every minute of it.
And part of it is a hedge against my age.
I've got a rock and roll band, a full band,

(57:20):
bass drums, everything we get up there, But you know what,
are we sixty and seventy and you know fifty nine?
I mean, you know, I don't know how much longer
I can do it. And I can do this thing forever.

Speaker 8 (57:32):
But you do the other stuff great too. And you
mentioned the yodel.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
How you do one of the greatest versions of five
o'clock World I've ever heard, and one of my favorite songs.

Speaker 8 (57:39):
So that's cool.

Speaker 7 (57:42):
Thanks. I wish I could find a way to I'm
proud of what I've done, and I'm blessed to play
with these great musicians. My partner for so many years,
Gary Charleston, is about to be inducted in the Kansas
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He's asked me to
be a side musician for that induction concert, and I'm
just so fired up that. But you know, they've made
me look so good over the years. But I'm proud

(58:04):
of the stuff we've recorded. But you just I'm such
a diletante. I never have time to say, Okay, well,
I'm going to really dedicate myself to getting this music
out there and see if I can get more than
you know, four hundred listens or whatever. But you know
it's out there, you know, YouTube, Marty Wall music, but
I haven't filled up that page enough. There's some stuff

(58:24):
on SoundCloud, which is, you know, not the hippest platform,
but there I am. You know, I'm who was it?
A former editor at Time magazine lives here in town
and his name's escaping me. But we had lunch with
some pals last year and we were talking about his life,

(58:45):
David von Dreiley, and he said, you know it served
me well, my knowledge is essentially a mile wide and inchdeed,
and that's where my interests are too. And I said,
well that's me to a tee. I mean, I'm just
interested so many different things, and I'm not a silo guy.
I'll just I could never could have succeeded in sports
talk because I was not going to watch four games

(59:06):
at once on Saturday night when I'd rather be doing
something else, right, And I admire that dedication. And I
listen still to Danny Unleashed. You know, I have appointment
listening for Blair, yes with Saren, you know, so I
pay attention, but I marvel at the knowledge you guys
have and I just never had the desire to have it.

(59:27):
But I enjoy taking part in it.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
And you enjoy this part of your life. You're playing
your music, you travel extensively, you have places you like
to go over and over again. As you said, you
have the same house and the same wife. You enjoy
your classic cars. Life's pretty good.

Speaker 7 (59:43):
Yeah, no complaints. Garage full of classic cars. Got into that,
I don't know when I was in my early twenties
and kind of taught myself with some friends help to
work on them. So from this little basin Brookside, I've
been able to do just about everything I've wanted to do.
I don't now it sounds like I'm you know, it's
epitaph time or something, but at this point in my
life I have very few regrets, and one shouldn't have

(01:00:05):
them anyway, because this just in. They are us. We're
here to be here now, So here I am now
and having a pretty good time.

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