Thirsty Thursdays Sense and Nonsense December 18th

The boys are in a festive and historically in-depth mood, combining laughs, facts, and a taste of nonsense, diving into stuffing or dressing, Don Quixote, cool small towns, 19th century politics, counterculture, and even more. A hearty mix that cries out "Salut"!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Danny Clinkscale reasonably irreverent podcast, insightful and
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Take two, Thirsty Thursday Since and nonsense. Yes, sir, ee
operator error idiot, Danny didn't press the start button. Thankfully,
we only made it about two minutes in, so it
wasn't too bad. So you're gonna hear a fake beer
open here in a minute, because we already have started.
We started drinking three minutes ago. Welcome to Thirsty Thursday

(00:37):
Since and nonsense. Joe and I have had some good
times together. Recently, Joe made his initial pilgrimage to the
listening room. We'll talk about that. He has promised a
surprising fact check and I actually have a contribution to
the old time he phrases. As I said when I
opened this the first time, which now is in the ether.

(01:00):
There are a lot of tragic and disappointing things going
on in the world right now, but it's the holiday
season and this is going to be light and bright
and fun like it always is on Thursday Thursdays. Yes,
there's always time to reflect on things that aren't so great.
Being the passing of a musician that my wife and
I just loved to death, and that was covered heavily
on yesterday's couple's podcasts, or other tragedies going on in

(01:23):
the world of entertainment and such, and horrible shootings around
the world. But yes, we all get plenty of that,
and we know about it, and being aware of it
is important. But what also is important is cracking a
cold one at the holidays, giving gifts. As I got
you a little token of my appreciation for our friendship

(01:45):
for Christmas, he gave me a lump of coal, is
what he gout me. I did not expect anything at all,
and so he's gifted me so well. In the past,
I was wearing the sunglasses that he gave me on
the way over here.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
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Speaker 2 (02:05):
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You're supposed to shut out. Now I've screwed it all up.
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Speaker 2 (05:26):
We're bash Oh we just opened up, but no we didn't.
A delicious beer and a different one. Outer Range Solo
series highly recommended from Outer Range Brewery, whereas Outer Range Brewery, Oh,
very small print here we've held them before. Yeah, yeah,
I think we have Outer Range Brewing Company. Come tell

(05:49):
me where you are Outer Range. It doesn't say where
they are, it does no no Risco Colorado, Colorado, Outer
rangels Outer Range.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
So it's a hazy. It's very, very very hazy. There's
no scene through this beer. So and we have.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Both decided after the initial taste that it's a it's
a solid hazy.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
It is growing on me.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Oh that's good.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
Maybe it's the warmth in my belly. Like, what's what's
the ABV here?

Speaker 2 (06:17):
I think it's around seven.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
Let me see.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
I think it's a dead seven okay, dead seven, not azy,
not a crazy one.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
No, So I mean seven seven the ABV.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
I'm gonna go seven. I was absolutely going to go seven.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
To five seven. I'm going seven flat.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Seven flat okay, right, just like the ABV consistency for
the Outer Range. And as we said, what you didn't hear,
it's a good thing we we went in this order
because we've got a discourse.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Yeah, looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
And discourse is such a cool place, and we're going
to talk about that a little bit in conjunction with
the listening room. But it's fact check time and Joe
has got me excited with what he says is a
surprising Well.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
I don't know if it's entertaining, but it was surprising.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Right, So just like I will say that, it's kind
of just like my old timey phrase research that you'll hear.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
So last time we had a Toppling Glias summer su
out of my refrigerator. Uh huh, we gave it a
seven point five. Beer advocate gave it an eight point six.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, we've we've found out that beer advocate rates higher
than us.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Just about this is even more than normal. Decora, Iowa
is where Toppling Goliath Brewery is.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Joe spent a reasonable amount of time trashing Iowa. I did,
you did?

Speaker 5 (07:39):
But I will tell you if you're going to go
to Iowa, go to Decora. Okay, right, really? Okay. So
it's a college town. Luther College is there. It's a
Lutheran school, but it looked like a pretty.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Cool school the Lutherans. Like with Lutherans, Lutherans would head
over to the brewery, wouldn't they. I would think so,
I think so, I don't think it's kind of Catholic light, Yeah,
I think it's kind of like that Okay, well the
fact check that. Yeah. I mean, but Luther is kind
of a radical fellow, so yeah, he was a breakaway guy. Sure,
Luther is all about He was an insurrectionist of sorts.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
So it's a it's a strong Norwegian heritage town. Decor
is the most is one of the most important centers
of American Norwegian culture. The National Museum for Norwegian American
History is there. Okay. It's unlike the rest of Iowa.
It sits in the Driftless Area is what it's called,
which was a region that was untouched by glaciers so

(08:34):
it didn't get flattened out. So it has rolling hills
and limestone bluffs and waterfalls and trout streams.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
There are some places in Iowa like that. That sounds
like a cool place.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
The pictures look great, like going Iowa. Check that out.
Plus you've got top le Gliath right, you can check
out right right.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
And we have liked some We like our top Ling
Glias for sure.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
It's good. It's a good brewery. It's been solid. We
also had a Melvin back.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Ind Haze right, yes, which.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
We gave an eight point one beer advocate gable.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
That was the wonder I went, wow, Yes, yeah, Yes,
Melvin's Melvin Solid, so good.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
And they are in Alpine, Wyoming. And you asked me
to look up Alpine.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Okay, it sounds like a lovely place.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
And you had said maybe it was named after the
trees or something, and I had told you that the
last time we had a beer from an Alpine Michigan
who was named after the Indians. Alpine, Wyoming is named
after the trees. Ding Okay. It's a town of about
twelve hundred people. It's half an hour south of Jackson Hole.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Ooh, that sounds like a cool place, doesn't it. Yes,
very cool like that.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
They say like it's a really great place to stay
if you don't want to deal with Jackson Hole.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Right, that sounds very cool. Twelve hundred that's right, kind
of in you know, my traveling wheelhouse anywhere from fifteen
hundred to four thousand. I like those places.

Speaker 5 (09:59):
Yeah. We were Innsville, which maybe we'll talk about later.
Bright Huntsville is a cool town. Last time you talked
about a soccer player in the in the EPL that
got a carded for assaulting their own player.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (10:15):
And I asked you if that could happen in the NFL,
and you said no, and you are incorrect. Wow, listen
to this. An NFL player can get a personal foul
for assaulting his own player. How the rule works Under
the NFL Rule book quote, personal fouls apply to any
act of unnecessary roughness or unsportsmanlike conduct, regardless of whether

(10:35):
the target is an opponent, official, or another player, including
a teammate.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
That's about exactly the way the soccer rule is written.
I wonder if that has to be on the It
seems like it has to be on the field of play,
because we've seen some pretty good scraps on the sideline
in the NFL. Yeah, but I was.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
Trying to dig back in my memory. Have you ever
seen a scrap between two players on the sat on.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
The No, I'm not, but and I have not seen
a flag for one on the sideline, So I would
assume that it must be within the bounds of play,
because I mean, think of like, who was the wide
receiver for the Steelers who eventually went to Miami.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
Uh, I'm thinking of the offensive lineman that ended up
in Miami, the like the anti semi god like what
was it out?

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Jeremy Tunzel what was his name? I know who you're
talking about.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
He's a last name.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Anyway. Anyway, we've seen scraps on the sideline that have
resulted and you know, nothing, nothing, no flag, So it
must be on the field of play.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
I have a very important question to get to the
bottom up, Annie, is it called dressing or is it
called stuffing?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
You know what? I got a theory from a avid
listener of this podcast.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
Oh, let me hear it, because I did some research
on this.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
His wife claims that An, I think it's still regional.
I'll say this, but I liked I think this is
based in a good solid fact. Is the fact that
dressing is on the outside, is made on the outside
of the bird, and stuffing is inserted into the bird.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
Ding ding ding, Right. That's culinary explanation is right. Now,
there's also a regional explanation.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I think there is, because I'll say why. I think
it is because I never even heard the word dressing
until I moved out here.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
So my research shows that it's both. So there's the
culinary explanation, which is cooked in the bird is stuffing,
cooked outside of the bird is dressing. There's also the
regional which is in the northeast and the Midwest, right,
stuffing's used, and in the south dressing.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Right, And I said, that's really great stuff, and I
appreciated it and everything. But for instance, stovetop stuffing is
called stuffing and it's made on a stove top.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
So well, maybe that was the whole idea, right, was
like get stuffing.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Without without stuffing the.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
Bird, so you can make it on the stove.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Because there were people who kind of, you know, freaked
out about eating stuffing that was in the bird. You
haven't had it. No, Oh, it's so much better.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
Oh, I bet it is. I didn't know that was
a real thing.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
People were, people were some people are freaked out by
the fact that it's cooking inside the bird, basically inside
the carcass of the bird, and that that you know,
there could be all the juice and fabulous. And also
the other part of it that's good is you know
they got to stuff it in there and and the

(13:46):
birds basically whatever that opening is, I don't even know
what you want to call it. I don't know what
it is. You pull the pelvic bone out and then
you stuff it in there and the part that's on
the edge gets a crunchy and that's the best part
about Yes, yes, oh it's to me. It's like so

(14:07):
far superior.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
I want to try and I want to make a
bird and actually.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Stuff, you should do it. It's excellent. I might have
to I might have really excellent. Okay, so this is
a surprising and it is entertaining. Back good, good, well
to walk to me anyway to us.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
Well, we talked.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
We talked about tomboy last time. Oh yeah, all right,
and you said he lived in Brattleborough. He does, okay,
or just outside Brattleborough.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
Live just outside Brattleborough. Okay, he lives in.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Do you m E R you m M E R
s t O n Vermont Dumerston It would be ms yes,
so could theoretically be Dummerston. But maybe the people didn't
want to call their town dumb. So I don't know
how it's pronounce You know, you could easily be dumb.

(15:03):
It should be dumbers.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
Okay, so that's near Brattleborough, and you gotta you gotta wonder.
I started to wonder, why does Tombodett move to the
d of rural Vermont?

Speaker 6 (15:16):
Right?

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Right?

Speaker 5 (15:18):
So I started with how did he get famous? Now?
He got famous on NBR, which I didn't realize as
a storyteller. Okay, so that's how I know him as
as a storyteller of MBR, and that's also how he
got famous. So I just I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Maybe he's I knew of him before he did Motel six. Yeah, yeah,
i'd wrong before.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
I probably didn't.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
It was pretty quick, they said.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
Nineteen eighty one is when he kind of got really
famous on NBR. He intentionally stepped away from fame to
move out into the country in New England. I think
I know why he chose the Brattleborough area, which you
were crapping on last time.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Right, listen to this. I was crapping on Brattleborough itself,
and I didn't really crap on it because I've never
even been there. Tom Brennan craped, but I should have
always heard that it was as a depressed post industrial town.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
So you were fifty miles away from there, and you
would have learned this had you gone, And you should
have gone, because Brattleborough is the counterculture hub of rural
New England.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
It's long been known for its progressive politics, strong art scene.
In history as a magnet for writers, musicians, and the
independent thinkers, which is why Bodette moved there. It's got
a publishing and literary legacy. The town has an outsized
literary footprint. The Nation founded in eighteen sixty five is
still published there. It's got a bunch of small bookstores,

(16:45):
still has small presses, and a ton of Authors've going.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Got to go now. Yeah, it's because this podcast I
will return to the ancestral home of Danny Klinkskill.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
It's located near the Moont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Bort right, right, Yes, So.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Here's the last piece that I found. It has a
distinctive blend of grit and charms. So the town has
brick mill buildings and the railroad era infrastructure stuff that
you think about. But in those buildings is now coffee shops,
music venues, community activism like it gives it this like
working arts town feel rather than like a postcard village.

(17:24):
That's what my research showed me. It seems pretty neat.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
It looksttantful. Let's go together, Joe, We'll go to the
Baseball Hall of Fame and then drive up to Brattleburg.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
Well that would be a quixotic thing to say.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Danny, Yes, it would.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
The word quixotic. Okay, so I didn't really know what
it meant when you use it last.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
By the way, Joe is still on his quixotic quest
to beat me at Golden Tea, so quick or may
not continue after this.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
Quixotic means extremely idealistic, in practically romantic, or unrealistic, or
driven by a noble but unrealistic goal, which immediately it's
sulted quickly.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
I mean it's based on Don Quixote filtering at Windmills.
I didn't know that, right, So because it's the word
is quixotic, which is you know, has has the accent. Yes,
so you knew this, Yes, I did so.

Speaker 5 (18:20):
I don't think a lot of people that listen to
this probably know this. But it's name on it's the
turn comes from Don Quixote, which is a fictional character
from sixteen oh five.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yes, right, he think most people at least know of
Don Quixote.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
They know the name, right. I knew the name, but
I didn't know it was from a play from sixteen
oh five written by Miguel de Cervantes.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
You know he's famous, Well not to me, Servantes is
he's a very famous writer. Okay, Well, so there's there's
an ensuing fact check. We just spilled him. We birth
knew fact check.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
This was my favorite thing from dictionary dot com. It's
not an insult, but it is not fully complimentary either.
It often applies good intentions paired with poor practicality.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
You know what it's It sounds like, you know, you
would describe an inventor, yes, as quixotic, because there are many.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
Stround from many of the future.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Many stories, yeah, many stories of people who like have
a thousand patents and they and they haven't made you know,
Jack from Jack out of it right, exactly exactly.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
I don't know if Thomas Nast was quixotic, but he
is the father of the modern political cartoon, right.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
What's also this is a fact check And I bet
this is a fact. I'm just this just popped into
my head light bulb over because Thomas Nast would pillory
famous politicians.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Huh huh.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Do you think that's where the word nasty came from?

Speaker 5 (20:01):
Oh? My, I bet it is.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I bet it is too. That'll be cool. That'll be
cool to find out.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
Wow, good job.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
If you think we plan this ship, here's something we do.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
Here's some things about Thomas Nast if you don't know
who he is, that would you'd find interesting.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
And his cartoons are that's just worth looking at them.
They're they're just looking at them, you know, like like
like politicians who are supposed to be on the take.
They're they're dressed, they're big and fat, and the pig's
head out of the I mean, it's wonderful and it's
they're well drawn too.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
So I knew this. But he is on the popularized
the elephant for Republicans and the donkey for Democrats, which
to this day, I mean, yes, turn on election coverage
there it is. But I did not know this. We've
covered on this podcast that Coca Cola basically mainstreamed the

(21:02):
red and white Santa Claus, right, and the modern view
of Santa Claus like that was ala.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
I did not remember that.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
We've covered that on this podcast. But the idea that
Santa Claus is bearded, jovial and like where's fur Thomas
Nast Oh, wow, it comes from his illustrations in Harper's
Weekly during the Civil War era.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Wow, because he I think he became more famous chess
post Civil I.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
Think it would be after. But there was the slavery
stuff he had all those like leading up in the
in the fifties, fifties. But anyway, so dude invented donkeys
and elephants.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
For the demography and Santa.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
Claus and freaking Santa Claus.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, like that's quite a legacy, quite you know. And
when I tonight, I am going to I just want
to find out. I have no idea what kind of
a guy Thomas Nast did. Hmmm, whether he was nasty,
oh buddy, whether he had five wives, whether he was
whether he was just a wonderful, you know, family man,

(22:10):
five wives.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
I didn't dig into the man. I dug into the legacy.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
There you go, that's right. Well his legacy is is
it unassailable?

Speaker 5 (22:19):
Well we got to that topic because we were talking
about the ken Burns documentary. Yes, no, we're watching on PBS,
and you brought up that the narrator's name was Peter Coyote. Yes,
And I asked you if that was his stage name,
and you said, of course not. You go, I wouldn't
think so because he would shoes. Okay, that is wow,

(22:42):
stage name. Really know about him and where he came from?

Speaker 2 (22:45):
No, nothing, Here's.

Speaker 5 (22:48):
Where it's getting it gets interesting, Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
What is his name, like Peter B. Long or something,
and he didn't want to have that name, or he was.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
Born Robert Peter.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Oh, oh, there you go. I almost got.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
It right, you did.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
That's wild right. He was born in nineteen forty one
in New York, Okay. In New York City, he became
deeply involved in the San Francisco counterculture of the nineteen sixties.
He was a founding member of the member of the Diggers,
which is if you've ever read Oh shit, what's the book?

(23:26):
Is it Electric kool Aid Asset Tests? Is that the one?

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Right?

Speaker 5 (23:30):
It's the author I was.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Isn't that k No, no, no, it's Tom tomb Wolf.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
Yes, it's tumb Wolf.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Okay, So about me, good.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Job, because I felt like an idiot there for a second,
because he's one of my favorite authors anyway, Like the
Diggers are like there's things in his books that are
based on that group. Okay. So these were like almost
insurrectionist radical community action group, right right, and he was
a founding member, Like they would distribute food and they
rejected capitalism. Okay. So then it comes to the seventies

(24:05):
and eighties, he becomes an actor, all right, and he
appeared in notable films such as Et Jagged Edge, Southern Comfort,
Cross Creek, A Walker. Remember. And so this guy names
himself Peter Coyote, right, is in the like counterculture, acid

(24:26):
whole thing in San Francisco, like Summer of Love stuff.
Becomes an actor and then now is narrating.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Some of the most important ethic right and the first
like three or four documentaries. He's done them all. Yeah,
I mean John Chancellor did a couple he did I
need a baseball one.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
But you want to talk about a life? Oh yeah,
Holy moly, this guy right like, and he has a
book talking about his life that's available. Bob was thinking
about maybe picking that up.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Okay, sounds like a very interest. It sounds like the
life of a coyote.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
I think it is called the life of something anyway.
So there is your surprising pact check Danny Bravo. Oh,
I put myself on the back a little bit.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
No, what that's time. That's a good time to just
stop for a beer and yeah, go for.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
Turning round down a little bit in here thousand degrees.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
It's a little warm in this room. Yeah, and I'm
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Speaker 5 (28:13):
Simpatico.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yes, very nice, very nice.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
We have returned Danny. This is this beer smells very interesting.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Well, we've got crying babies Zealand I PA and it.
You know, we made a good decision on the order too,
because the first beer is a seven point zero and
surprisingly enough, I saw this, says New Zealand XPA. I'm like,
we're gonna double down on some strong. This is just
a five point four, so really yeah, yeah, look at

(28:48):
how that's a little clear. That looks clear, Like, hey,
that looks like a lagger. Yeah it does, but it's
a New Zealand. We haven't explored that, so no, you
should hush. That's another fact check New Zealand x p A.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
Are you smelling smell this beer?

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Oh, it's kind of a has a unique smell beer.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
Oh my oh myne.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Wow, that's different.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
I don't know if I've ever tasted a beer that
tastes like this.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, this is zingy.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
It sort of tastes like tortilla chips. It is.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
It is very different.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
For really, I like tastes like tostitos, like the back
of the tongue.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, it's it's totally different. I've never had anything that
tastes I've never tasted anything like this. My goodness, I
can't really decide whether I really like.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
It or We're gonna need to get halfway through this
before it I'm.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Not gonna I'm not gonna rate it right now because
it's it's so unique unique you know. Wait, that's the
one thing you get if this If we hated this beer,
say so, say somebody you know they brewed this beer
and they ended up they hated it, but they had
to sell it. Yeah, they had to like make a commercial.
It's the most unique beer you've ever had.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
Well, if you and I hated it, we'd say it because.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
We've had a pickle beer we've had sours, and also
we've raved about and continue to rave about Discourse, which
is a wonderful place.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
I'm so happy you're not a sour beer guy.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Oh thank goodness.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Because I don't know, I be insufferable if you were
a sour beer, well, drink sour beer.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
I don't. I don't get it. I don't either, But
that's all right. You don't have to get it if
you don't get you if you like sour beers.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
Then you can just so we're gonna wait. We're gonna wait, Commune, and.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
We're gonna wait on this. And we've forgotten to rate
beers before. But I don't think we're gonna forget this rating.
But we're gonna wait on it. But Discourse, we talked
about the fact that Joe made his first pilgrimage to
the listening room real quick time, real quick. But I'm
going to get its going to tie it up with
this what is it?

Speaker 5 (31:03):
I know? But this is about Discourse. Is it possible
this beer's gone bad? Ah?

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Not likely it's supposed to taste like because well maybe
we can go to Discourse and find out. No, because
they they recycled, I mean they redo these beers so often,
they churn them out so often. I think they generally
get fresh beer. And this this beer wasn't there two weeks.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
Ago and I was there, had a New Zealand I
pa before.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
No, this is but this says New Zealand XPA. Oh,
and I don't know what that means.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Interesting. Yeah, okay, thank you for clearing that up for me.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
So I don't know. Anyway, I have gotten into the
habit of going to When I have Monday evening open
to myself, I will go to Discourse because the vinyl
man is there. Yes, and there's a man who has
an extent collection or not collect. I wouldn't call it

(32:03):
collection because he's selling them. If it was a collection,
was a collection, I guess because he used he is
sell a collection. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
Yeah, he's a he's a broker, yeah, I guess. So.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, And so you can get you can get something
that's sort of sort of it's not like you're going
there and you're getting You're going to get an album
for two bucks.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Like I got a rocky music album on last Monday
and I paid fifteen for it.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
Oh, you got that from him?

Speaker 2 (32:31):
That's about I've gotten the habit because I don't. I've
gone through our small vinyl record collection and basically had
the listening room fix about every record that.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
This is why we've got to go down to the
record store down there in the crossrooms.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yes, so we should go together anyway this but but
you could go to Discourse on a Monday, have yourself
a nice quality brew and peel through. There's about He's
got like seven or eight hearty boxes of stuff in there.
There's sort of genre. He's got to organized pretty well.
But you can pay like fifty bucks for you know, Crosby, Stills,

(33:08):
Nash and Young Da Dallas, Taylor blah blah blah, or
you can sometimes there's a five fuck one or you know,
sometimes they'll be you know, Tommy by the Who and
it'll be a Delexe edition and it'll be thirty five
or so. Anyway, I've gotten happen because, like I said,
I've gone through about all the things I want to
have fixed from my wife and my collection of vinyls,

(33:32):
mostly my wife's, so that I can have a nice
fresh record to bring to the listening room. So I'm
just gonna leave the slate clean. You went to the
listening room for the first time, and I know your
initial reaction was taken aback by it being so wonderfully sound.
The sound was like.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
Well, my initial reaction I was taken aback by you
running face first.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
In for the second time, not running walking you you
would have been happier the first time, because I actually
Drew bloss walks. I'm excited to see Joe and I
want to get show him the ropes.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
And they have these beautiful it's a beautiful place with
these clear glass walls enclosing this this.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Room acoustically, which is acoustically.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
Put together so that when they fire up the record,
it is amazing sounding. But Danny sees me in the
atrium and comes to walk out of the door and
there's these thing, you know, they're panels of glass, and
so it's hard to tell where the.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Door is right, and sometimes they have the door a
lot of times they have that door open, and it's
so this.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
Glass is so crystal clear you don't even you could
just walk right through it, and Danny tried.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
To and it's thick though, it's like hockey glass.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
So the face sprint was on the glass.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Anyway, So Curtis. Curtis Seabolt for a ten was with us,
and he said, dude, if you weren't my friend, that
would be like the second or third funniest things I've
ever seen. Now, I'm not much of a pratful comic person,
but I can get it because there's the shock that
you have when you just go boom, because you just

(35:11):
think of I'm just walking to see Joe. I'm excited
he's coming to you.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
And look, I couldn't disagree with Curtis anymore because it's
not funny to me that just anybody ran into a
glass wall.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Walked.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
It's funny to me that you.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
A floor, right, Okay, it wasn't funny to the people
at the listening room because I did it before I
had already done it.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
You had bled for them.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I had bled for that.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
So anyway, you go through this glass wall that and
he ran into, and it's amazing if you grew up
like I did. I had an uncle who had all
this old music equipment. He was a collector of those
sorts of things, right right. He gave me a nineteen
fifty six Fender bass amp that I still have in my.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Baseball you know, there are guitarists and people like that
who use his amps and you know, and speakers from
the late fifties because they like them.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Yes, it sounds so good. No, Jack White right uses
the old stuff. We used it for our vocals.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
The beer's getting better.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Is it? Okay? It could just be the poisoning from
it having gone bet But anyway, you go in there
and it's it's comfortable chairs and they've got this beautiful
sound system of this old school stuff. Thats brought me
back nostalgia, back to the eighties. And I told Danny

(36:47):
I've never heard a record sound so clear as it
does out of their record player. And I also told
you that I believe that I now believe that Neil
Young is correct. Oh yeah, that the sound coming out
of an actual record.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, when you hear people now talk about the fact,
you know, who are vinyl snobs, that it sounds better.
Because at the listening room you can request a song
for the open spin. They do programs and everything like
for instance, I state for the Elton John Live record
album and those those are sort of curated some less
so that like just the record at four o'clock, but

(37:25):
they do evening programs that there'll be a real presentation
about it. Then they play the album. But for the
open spin, you can bring a CD. You can ask
that they play it off the id iPad or whatever.
And it is so different, so.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
It's a market difference. So like I brought very simple music,
which I texted you afterwards, now that I understand the
listening room, I would bring something different, something more complex, right,
because I brought some live music and then a very
simple record and.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
It still sounded great.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
It did, But I want to bring something that's still
in the genre of music that I listened to, but
that is more complicated and more of a full sound
because the sound is so good. But the simple little
music that I brought, the simple country music I brought
sounded better on vinyl than Curtis's Rush did off of

(38:21):
digital and the same speakers in the same head.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
And Russia's renowned for their production values.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
Yes, and how full the sound is, that's right, That
was why I brought that up.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
And the vinyl sounded.

Speaker 5 (38:34):
Good, yes, definitely better in a way that's hard to describe.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
So to talk about how Neil Young described, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
Neil Young talked about book. Yes, he wrote a whole
book about it that I read, and and he I
mean the book. I don't know if the book was
about that as much.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
As it was included.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
Yeah, but a lot of it was about it. And
he talked about Now I don't know if this is
true or not, but he talked about like, there are
certain frequencies of sound that you can't get from digital
because they have to compress the sound in order to
so they so in order to make it digital and

(39:11):
make it small so that you can fit a lot
of it on a device, you have to compress it
and then decompress it. In his opinion is that in
that compression process you lose certain sound frequencies.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
And I think, sitting in this room, you his opinions
are validated.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
I always thought he was full of shit, I mean
until Saturday, until I sat there. Because you think record,
you think like Crispy and pops and snaps. I walked
in and he dropped a needle on I don't remember what, Oh.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
It was, it was your Rocks Roxy music, right, And
I'm like.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
I've never heard a record this clear, and I've never
heard the depth of sound that's coming out of me.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I will say that Roxy music is also known for
their wildly good production values.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
But I want to listen to it to a Rick Rubin,
Tom Petty.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah that I think that that would be a very
good idea, you know what I mean, like Wildflowers or
something like that.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
Yes, wildflowers for sure. And I want to listen to
Universal Sound by Tyler Cholders on that because it's so
full and you've got fiddles in like Oregan and like
just that full country sound, like I'm so excited, it's
so neat and like you've asked me to cover You're
gonna have snices. I didn't want to come.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
It's like, well, so you're usually in the summer, you're gone.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
Summers I'm gone, and then the rest of the year we.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Have kids sport, right, you know so, but I know
that when when you're available, now I can. It's it's
cool because I invite a group of seven or eight
people every time, and sometimes if you come, sometimes I'm
there by. I've been there by myself, I mean no
other And then a lot of times the doc is there,

(41:00):
this older man he was a doctor and lou and
he's just a wildly enjoyable music fan, very enthusiastic and
so it was. It was just fun.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
It was so fun. Hey, we never do this during
the pod, but a New Zealand XPA okay stands for
extra palel Right, it's supposed to be a crisp hop
forward and easy drinking.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Oh that makes sense. This is a crisp hop forward Yeah. Yeah,
it's a little too hot forward for us.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
I think citrusy white wine notes.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Oh that makes sense too, yes, because I think white
wine to me can sometimes be a little bitter.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
A little bit kind of I always say it's kind
of yeasty tasting.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Right, Oh, this makes complete sense. I'm glad you've looked
it up. I'm gonna still probably be nice. I'm gonna
go six point nine, which is a low rating for me,
just because this is a different beer, and also it
fits into a flavor palette that I don't think is
you know, extra hoppy white wine ish bas that that's

(42:12):
not probably in our wheelhouse. But I still they make
a quality beer. I think it's a quality version of
this type of beer.

Speaker 5 (42:21):
I can't drink this. I'm giving it a two. It's growth.
It's literally grossing me out.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Wow, we'll see that that provides balance. We've generally been
so positive, so.

Speaker 5 (42:30):
We didn't say the name of it. It's called crying babies.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Crying babies and crying baby, crying Baby.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
I will be sipping nothing through the end of the pot.
I mean, I might try to continue to work on it,
but it is. It is, honest.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
It has grown on me a little.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
Actually, it grew on me a little bit because at
first I thought I might vomit. But I'm telling you,
I'm not a fan of this Danny. Okay, well I
think it might be poison.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Well that's fair because we are we love this and
they're allowed a foul ball another sip. And it's also
they're trying to do something, you know, that's really cool
genre that is different because.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
So many of their beers taste so similarly delicious. I
don't know why you try.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
To what's the one you love the most? Oh that
you get every time?

Speaker 5 (43:18):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (43:19):
It quick soticu.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
No no, no, corn? I love corn sweat right, I love
But they changed so often. I don't know what you're
talking about.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
The one the last time you said always reliably fat.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
Yeah, don't think about it.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
They changed so often. Yeah, remember, But anyway, go there,
go there go on Monday. If you want to get vinyl.

Speaker 6 (43:39):
And.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
If you want to be hed, get brave, you want
to get try the crying Baby taste. But this is
the first one we even had a minor dispute.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
No, and I might give it to somebody as a
white elephant gift. Where do you think white elephant comes from? Danny?

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Hmmm, well that would be an albino elephant. So, just
to be clear, white elephant sale.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
White elephant gifting means you're giving somebody a gift that's
something they actually wouldn't want.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
That's the idea, right, white elephants. I'm not I'm not
getting the quickest. This isn't coming to me like nasty.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
This would be hard to get to.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Okay, Well, that would be an albino elephant. Albino or
nobody really wants correct, nobody really? You know that's usually
a version of just about anything that you wouldn't pick.
I mean, nobody would pick to be an albino.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
Do you know why you wouldn't want to? No, So
in Thailand, back in the day, I didn't get a
century on this. White elephants were sacred and so you
couldn't put them to work.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Oh, okay, so somebody wanted them.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
So the king. But they were sacred, so they were
like religiously sacred, so you could just kill them. You
couldn't put them to work.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
They were kind of worthless.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
They were worthless, but you had to keep them alive
because they were sacred. So if the king wanted to, like,
you know, kind of kick in the nut a little bit,
he'd give you a white elephant. Wow.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
That is a great explanation.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
Because you had to defeat it and take care of
it and keep it alive.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
It was worthless.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
Drive you to ruin.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Wow. Well, I said that I was going to make
a contribution to the old time. He phrase, all right,
so when you're watching the Premier League every now and then,
the defensive team will be in a shambles and they
can't get the ball out of their own end, and
the announcer will say, oh, Chelsea's defense is all the
six and sixes and sevens? Are they six? Many time?

(45:45):
And I don't know the moder You can tell me
the modern six and seven. I don't even know what
it is.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
I don't, So you can help me out there.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
You can get me up to speed.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Well, we can't do that.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
Or no, we can, but it's it's not worth even
talking about.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
It's not worth it, Okay, So anyway, they'll just say, oh,
the Chelsea defense is all in sixes and sevens, and
I'm just saying, well, I can tell that it means
that they're you know, complicated, they're they're in disarray whatever.
But I don't know. So I looked it up.

Speaker 5 (46:11):
Okay, based on is do I get to guess?

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, but I don't think it's going to happen, just
like the White Elephant one.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Oh is it that bad?

Speaker 2 (46:24):
It's that obscure, but go right ahead, try give it
a try. So they're all in sixes and.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
Seven man, this is harder on this side because now
I'm on the.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Speed's game based.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
It's game based, Okay, they're all it. Does it have
to do with chess?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
No?

Speaker 5 (46:43):
Hmmm, I have to do with poker?

Speaker 2 (46:49):
No, but closer close.

Speaker 5 (46:52):
So they're all in sixes and sevens. I give up.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
So apparently there was a there was a you know,
urban legend one that's supposed to be the one that
everybody bought. Yeah, but they have disavowed that one. I
don't even remember what it was, but the real one
is that it's based on the fact that sixes and
sevens are a bad number to get in a game

(47:17):
called danger, which is a dice a dice game that
is a was a more elaborate version of craps. Okay,
so sixes and sevens were something bad, and then sevens
have also were referenced in Jeffrey Chaucer, and but it
has turned into something where everything's in disarray and in confusion,

(47:40):
which is exactly what it looks like when this tease
teams are in sixes and sevens. So it makes perfect sense.
You know. It's like I always was mystified when people
would not be able to sort of cipher out a
fancy word. Just you know, people have always been I've

(48:01):
always been kind of kind of renowned if I'm renowned
for anything about knowing fancy words. But usually if you
look at the context of just about any words, you
can figure it out. And the famous example that pokes
fun at me, which I don't like to do but
people like to hear me poke fun at myself is
that forever forever, when I read a book and the

(48:28):
word that is spelled m I S L E D
I thought it was misled that the person before that
the person had been misy, because it was in i've
been in context. And I was in college and my
good friend John Town who became an English teacher eventually

(48:49):
in a theater teacher, and he was the guy that
we used to scrap about just about everything. And so
I said misled once and he thought I was like
goofing around, you know, And I eventually had to admit
that I thought the word was my not misled.

Speaker 5 (49:05):
I'm going to have to start using I'm gonna purposely
start using that, you.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Know, because it means to me. I every time I
read it was like, yeah, I know exactly what they're
saying it.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
It does kind of sound pseudo anti like like, you know,
I've been misy, I've been mice.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
What's the other what's the other thing that they say?
You've been misled? Not misled? But uh uh And I
can't think of the word right now anyway, So if
you want to just act like, you know, you know,
like when the British, you know, British. What I think
is funny is that, as we wrap up, is that British,
the British will pronounce certain words like aluminium and laboratory, laboratory,

(49:47):
stuff like that, and different than us, and Americans will go, well,
what the hell are they doing? And my first response is,
you know, it's English, we speak English. It's their language. Now, Aluminium,
I will say, I don't get because there's no eye
there in the back end. I mean it's spelled aluminum.

(50:11):
So if you say aluminium, there has to be another
eye in the last.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
Oh yeah, I just had to spell it makes no sense.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
But laboratory is it just just a different way from that.

Speaker 5 (50:24):
I would counter that with, you know where the Southern
you know what is this Southern accent sort of known
for making people's it makes people sound.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Don't don't right?

Speaker 5 (50:35):
Where's does the Southern accent come from?

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Scottish English? British British?

Speaker 5 (50:41):
Because the British settled the southern part of the United States, right,
and so the British accent just turned into the Southern
acts right.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
It's sort of a lazy British accent.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
And I'd like to imagine that if you went back
to seventeen hundred's right, England, and you were walking down
the street, like, how y'all knowing that in there, don't
you know, you know.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Like, well kind of a version of that. Well, have
you ever heard somebody? Have you ever heard a Cockney accent?
It's a dopey accent?

Speaker 5 (51:11):
Right, hey, everybody will here's.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Another soccer game one. This is just slight, a slight difference.
But when you're watching a Premier League game and the
British announcers are there, they will say they say just
about in place of almost.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Yeah, like they'll say, uh, you know, somebody will just
barely be able to clear the lines and they'll say, oh,
he just about get away with that one, and and
he didn't get away with it really. But so it's
different than our version of it, and it's takes an adjustment,
you know, because it's they're saying what we would say
is almost, and for them it's just about just about.

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To us, it's like you almost did it, and you know,
but it's just different.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
Yeah, it's the almost didn't.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Write exactly, it's sort of a negative. Yes, it's theirs
is positive yeah right yeah. And anyway, so with that
and all those idioms of language IDs, you know what
a bumper sticker that is not correct, but it would
be you know, sort of ob twoce. Yeah, idioms are

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for idiots.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
Oh, I thought I thought it was gonna Mine would
say idioms not idiots.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Right, that would be better, that's more accurate. But yes,
because if somebody was like, you're too fancy, they might
say idioms are for idiots, but idioms over idiot idiots.
We say idioms over idiots. Thirsty Thursday, sense of nonsense joke.

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