Episode 234 (Dangerous Animals - 2025)

Jay and Mark are joined by Zoë Rose Smith (@ZoboWithShotgun on X) to discuss the 2025 shark thriller Dangerous Animals. Directed by Sean Byrne (watch The Devil’s Candy and The Loved Ones ASAP), and starring Jai Courtney, Hassie Harrison, Josh Heuston, and dozens of bread rolls, the movie focuses on a serial killer who feeds his victims to sharks. In this episode, they also talk about dancing serial killers, shark shadows, and films that drag you into the gutter.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello and welcome to Deep Blue Sea the Podcast. I
am Mark Cheetah the Sea half Meyer.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
I am Jay Uby Doob kluet this show.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yeah he does debating doing it an Australian accent, but
I can't do one.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
So I didn't you try?

Speaker 1 (00:32):
You can't.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's too late. It's too late now I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Good ay as much.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, this is Deep the Podcast. On this podcast, we've
been through the entire Deep Sea trilogy seen by scene.
We're doing it again, but we're also doing some deep
Sea adjacent films. That's film stressed by Bonnie Harland featuring
Croudit Action or Sharks. This is a new Shark movie
twenty twenty five release. It's Dangerous Animals. What is Dangerous Animals?
But we have already done a mini spoiler free promotional
episode for it because we loved it so much, But

(00:58):
we're back for a full spoil episode. It's twenty twenty five.
It's the third film by Sean Byrne. Stars Hassei Harrison,
a Zephyr surfer in Australia who gets kidnapped by Bruce
Tucker Bruce Australian Bruce Tucker for a Jay Courtney very
bug Jakearney who likes to kidnap random people and feed

(01:21):
them to sharks and film and hilarity in us. So
we Mark and I've talked about this.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
We love it. So we need a guest to help
us talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Have a guest who I'm pretty sure is a big
fan of Sean Burn's filmography and also enjoys films in which.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
People get eaten.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
And there is some people get eaten in this film.
There is some like human flesh put in a human mouth,
so it counts as cannabism. She was on the in
the past to Wear Raving Us, a very cannibal film.
It's Zobe Rose Smith from Tainted Love, also in Zobo
with a Shotguns.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Sorry, welcome back to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Thank you for having me back. I'm very excited and
excited to perhaps give a different perspective on daygerous animals
from both.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Sure, no, that's great.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I did see your letter books a let of books.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Oh no, she didn't like love. That can be boring.
Sometimes sometimes we need, you know, another opinion. And also
anytime I get to think about Devil's Candy and loved
ones more is worth it. So I mean Devil's Candy Rules.
By the way, I just watched that again, first time
since twenty seventeen. Ethan Embry gives his best performance maybe

(02:24):
aside from cheap thrills. But man, what a movie and
Loved Ones too.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
I watched The Loved Ones last night, first time. Oh,
fun film, to watch the fun film, to watch what's
he doing the lining?

Speaker 1 (02:37):
It's great, it was.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
There's a lot of connective tssue between shown bones films,
you like, get kidnapped like serial killers, serial killer kidnapp
is sociopathic, bad guys, awesome soundtracks, kind of like bad.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Bad, bad trouble, like troubled childhoods, like with foster parents,
dead Dad's you know, like Rocker family kind of that,
Like you know, Embry had to move out, and like,
you know, a lot of actually well and Devil's Candy
that guy murders his parents too, So yeah, a lot
of family stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, but I dug it.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's I see why people like people. I Love Ones.
It's a great film.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yeah, it's a very fun one. Loved Ones is fantastic,
and I feel like, I mean, I did a screening
of The Loved Ones about maybe was it last year?
Or the year before, and it was very fun to
watch with a crowd like all cheering, being like not
sure if we should cheer at these scenes, but we did.
And then I love Devil's Candy as well, but it's

(03:37):
a bit bleaker. I think kind of loses the humor,
doesn't it that, you know, I think Sean Byn brings
in probably this film as well. And then also, yeah,
you've got a bit of humor in The Loved Ones
as well.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Oh yeah, I love wildly depressing stuff though, like The
Dark and the Wicked. Wild Dark and Wicked is like
one of my favorite films. Just like movie that just
punch you in the face with oppressive atmospheres. I love
because they go for it, like if you're gonna do it,
do it. And like I think Devil's Candy Dark in

(04:11):
than Wicked. I love those because you just you're like, geez, Louise,
this is intense. But no, I love those two films
a lot.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, I'm less on board with that. I like I
watched films as entertainment.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Oh no, I'm straight on the am I going to
feel absolutely horrible after watching this? Yes, then that's I'm like,
oh camp in that sounds like a fun time. Having
a bad time is a fun time.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
I saw The Devil as the best bad fun time too.
That's another good fun time, bad time, good time movie.
Is that a thing you haven't It's a bad time,
but it's a great time. There's just something about films
that drag you into the gutter and you just have
to like live with it. Like I feel like that's
very successful filmmaking.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
I mean, they're my my favorite kind of films. I
like really extreme disturbing things. So to me, I'm like,
how else could a movie be fun? If people are
not having the most you know, he done to them,
that's it's just not fun.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Then for our listeners, do you have any recommendations? Oh?

Speaker 4 (05:16):
So many that are going to be really horrible. Snowtown
is a fantastic one. As it is an Australian film.
They do very well at Bleak Movies. The director of
Snowtown also did another film called Night Tram, which is
about another like real It wasn't like a serial killer,

(05:37):
but it was like a mass shooting in Australia, And
obviously Snowtown's about real murderers. And then if you're on
some other bleak ones. I meant, I mean when Evil
Lurks is really good.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
During that one, though, is that bad?

Speaker 4 (05:53):
I think that's bad. I think that says more about you,
Mark than anything to the dog scene.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
I was just laughing because it's like they played it's
so long, and I kind of found the humor in that.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Oh. I was in the cinema, like everyone audibly like
screamed when it happened, even though you knew it was coming.
But yeah, that's definitely a bad time, feel good kind
of movie.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
That's a good wreck. That one is that'll drag you
down there.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Yeah, that will. And then yeah, my final one would
be Soft and Quiet. If you've not seen that, that
is probably one of the most challenging films I've watched recently.
It's about like a group of middle class white women
who start basically like a KKK clan. They make cakes

(06:41):
with swastikas on. Like it's really quite controversial, very bleak,
very bleak, as you can imagine, but fits into that
that theme. So yeah, obvious obvious trigger warnings on all
of those films, of course.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Soft and Quiet Coffee Table is that more funny?

Speaker 4 (07:01):
That is the first time I watched it. I did
not find it funny. I was like, this is horrible,
this is upsetting. But I rewatched it and did actually
an audio commentary with another podcaster, Amber Tea, for second
SIT's release, and we had the ball. We were laughing
the whole way through. We were like, oh, we might
get canceled for this, but SAT's quite funny. So you know,

(07:23):
I think it depends on the audience.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Nice, Well, that'll be fun. I'll wasn't too.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
We have one of your Ghuls colleagues ingrain On for
Sea Fever, and she recommended or suggested, like we like
to do like aquatic themed and like she thought, the
most extreme aquatic theme tor she come up with was
a Mermaid in a Manhole a Guinea Pig. Haven't seen
it yet, it's on the list. I'm kind of dreading
getting there Sunday. But is that would you recommend that

(07:48):
as well?

Speaker 4 (07:49):
All right? I was going to say, if we're thinking aquatic,
probably mermaid in a manhole, but it's yeah. The Guinea
Pig series is an interesting series which probably do need
to like brave yourself into. But that being said, Mermaid
in a Manhole probably one of the more fun Guinea
pig movies. It's not just like straight up torture. It's

(08:11):
got a bit more of a plot. But yeah, again,
probably tread lightly with those films because they're oh yeah,
Mark's face looking it up right now is saying it all.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
I think, because like we're gonna start getting to dangerous
animals now, so were going to go into some space.
The thumb stuff in Dangerous Animals is kind of like,
my I'm good. I don't need to go beyondest. You know,
I've seen the hostels, I've seen solo. I've seen a
bunch of stuff. But in terms of like sat in
a cinema, which the set, the sound, the celery stalk

(08:45):
snapping of the of the thumb breaking is that's kind
of where I liked. Like, as far as I like
to go, I don't enjoy go beyond that. If it
was like ice stuff as well, even worse can't come.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah, yeah, to be to be fair, even I and
I mean I watch a lot of gore, but I
am a lot more squeamish these days, and even the
thumb thing for me and Dangerous animals, and I'd just
come out of going for like a seafood dinner as well,
and yeah, just the whole thing. I was like, oh,

(09:17):
that's kind of made me feel quite sick as well.
So I get it. I get it. The limits are there.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
So what did you What did you think about this film?
Jay said, you gave it two point five, but what
was What were your first thoughts when you got out
of theater?

Speaker 4 (09:32):
I well, I actually gave it a two, and then
I was like, oh, maybe it would be at one
point five for me. I think I think it came
down to me. One of the problems, and I'm sure
you'll agree with a lot of like releases, is the
hype around it. I think I'd been so excited to
see dangerous animals in the lead up because of how

(09:53):
much I love the loved Ones and the Devil's Candy
that I guess I was expecting it to be bleaker
and maybe a bit Goria and kind of Gnarlia. And
I think when I came out, I was feeling disappointed
that it was nicer than I thought it was gonna be.

(10:13):
And I was like, oh, you know, I run a
podcast with my friend DeVaughn called Tainted Love where we
talk about like relationships in horror, and I was like
this would be a perfect film for that because you've
got kind of the dating angle and like the little
romantic subplot. But I wanted it. I wanted it to
be nastier, Like for me, sharks are really really scary.

(10:34):
I'm I'm absolutely petrified of sharks and the sea and
especially like filming underwater, and I just felt like it
could have been nastier and scarier. So I was left
a little bit disappointed from it overall.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
You know, it's interesting. I felt the same way as well.
But then I started researching like Sean Burn's movies and
how he gets a maid, I mean hard for him
to get funding, like it was hard to get funding
for Devil's Candy. He hasn't made a movie since twenty seventeen,
so I think he came across this script and he's like, well,
there's a serial killer, there's a troubled person. They're all blonde.

(11:13):
Most of his leads are blonde with longer hair. By
the way, like there's another one. You know, there's like
in loved Ones, the girlfriend's looking for him, and this
one the boyfriend's looking for her. So he's like, I
can make this, And then IFC is probably like well,
it's a shark movie, and we like your stuff. We
could probably market this, So I think he went and
made it. So maybe I was worried cynically speaking that

(11:35):
he was kind of just making a shark movie. But
I'm glad he didn't phone it in. It still looks gorgeous.
It's a lot softer, But I mean maybe he was
just tired of, like every seven years, getting funding barely
for a movie. So I don't know, he's already making
another one after this immediately, So like, maybe he made this,
people liked it, he got funding. Maybe it's like a

(11:55):
one for the studio, one for them, but it's still
kind of Sean Bernie, so I I definitely at one
point I was I looked at my wife and I'm like,
is Gie Corney gonna win? And then I kind of
thought back to the other ones, because like the mainscar, yeah,
oh that'd be awesome, but like the main heroes and
most of songs don't die. So then I guess it's
a suitable ending for a Sean Burne film. But yeah,

(12:16):
it could. It doesn't drain you. It's more of like
a popcorn flick, I guess, And if you love his
other stuff. It's a little bit of like a letdown,
but I guess he just I feel like he not compromised,
but he just wanted to get something made, is my
feeling about it.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
That's maybe what I felt like. It was a bit
more mainstream than his other films, Like I feel like
The Loved Ones is quite undergrounding and it's approach and
it's you know, I stumbled across it because it's like
more of kind of like Torture a bit more on
the extreme side with the topics it covers. And then
The Devil's Candy is very like sobering in its tone

(12:50):
as well. So I think when I was like, oh,
this is fun, and like you said, Mark, like definitely
a popcorn movie, and maybe it is so that he
could get funded and maybe be the next one will
be the bleak, horrible one that I was expecting, he's
just maybe strategizing, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, And he.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Said it's about a serial killer who's not good at
serial killing. Yeah, so there's gonna be a lot of
fumbling around, which could be interesting.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Nice like kind of a blue ruin.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
That's my first start.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, Yeah, Okay, I just.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Watched that again as well too, I need to go
also stab the tire and stabs his hand instead because
he stabbed the tire. What a great movie. Violence is crazy.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
I like the film that Zoe might want is The
People before Jay Coort he gets to Zephyr, like All
the People that where he's still getting getting away with
at the end. He needs the Dangerous Animals prequel where
it's just people and getting kidnapped and killed, kidnapping killed.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
So I I genuinely pick up my notes. I was like,
I would like a version of Dangerous Animals, which is
like a gritty found footage film of the tapes that
he made, and it's like from that point of view,
and I was like, that would hit my stick side
of needing light to be like, yeah, I'm watching these
murders happen on the tapes on the dark Web, But

(14:07):
you know, I also recognize I'm a bit sick, so
I appreciate this is probably a bit more digestible in
the cinema.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
That could work. So that could work. That'd be interesting
filming like Jai Courtney on there just being horrible and
filming that stuff.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
I'm kind of like, I kind of like the tapes
were just for him. Yeah, it's like it's like, you know,
this is have you seen Shark Night three D? Sorry no,
I haven't similar premise, but it's a bunch of teens
go to it as a shark filled lake. These guys
have filled the lake with sharks and they they bring
in kids and they feel they get attacked by sharks

(14:44):
and they feed the film it and then they like
set it online in the dark web. But Danger's Songs
is better than Shark And it's really I'm sorry, Mark,
it's not.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
It doesn't have a jet ski action scene, so it's true.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
It doesn't. I need to watch it again.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
It doesn't this this doesn't have a guy short night.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
It's not good. It's not good.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
But the best part is, of course, the entire cast
has a music video at the end of the credits
where they wrap and stuff. It's wonderful. But that's this
is different. This is like, it's just this guy just
likes filming people being fed to sharks and keeping that
for his own amusement, and like, I don't know, Wednesday night,
he checks on a tape and just just watches his fight.

(15:23):
I kind of appreciate that that it's not some money
making scheme. It's just what he does. This is just
who he is.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
It's no real came to it.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
That's a good boy and he has a nice vote. Yeah, well,
I like this. We don't really know where he got
his money, how long he's been doing it. The guy
next to him doesn't know that he's killing people.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Devo.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
I like that. There's no story about him. Like he
there's a little bit his mom wasn't around, he was lonely.
He considers himself what he has, the coral sneak king
steaks speech and he thinks he's a loner. But yeah,
we don't he learned too much about him. And he
probably likes Silence of the Lambs because he definitely does.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
From his dance scene right when he's dancing, I was like, oh, yeah,
I can. I think that was one of my favorite scenes. Actually,
I was like, oh, I like this where he's just
he's just frolicking around having a good time and joining
his boat. I mean, he's living the dream really.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
You know, slugging wine dancing like that.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
I listened to an interview with Jay Courney did with
with Chris hewartt remember who I met at the screening
of this and which I'll never I would just I'll
always plug that he doesn't remember who I am at all.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
It's fine.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
But apparently he did have to get drunk first scene.
Because he's not much of a dancer. He had to
like have a sneaky couple of bruise.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
For for filming it.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
And they just did the whole whole song through a
couple of times and you get like thirty seconds of
dancing in the film. But I love the dance scene.
I love that just he's just its proper a dance,
like no one's watching this. It's just the moves that
he has. This is what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, he also did mushrooms for this movie and burnt
cigarettes on his arm to prep for this thing. Yeah,
you can tell he got into it.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Is he okay? Has anyone checked on him afterwards?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
He says he's a bit of a maniac. He's like,
I'm very impulsive. So I guess he just got into
the character. He didn't turn.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
That's the commitment to the bit. The cigarettes on the arm.
You know, mushroom's fine. I'm sure he recover quickly from that,
but the cigarettes, that's quite something.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
But if you're watch loved Ones and Devil's Candy, you
might want to step up your game in a Sean
Byrne movie, Like after watching Devils Can't Ethan Embry is
so good. Everyone's so good in that movie. Have you
seen cheap Thrills?

Speaker 4 (17:40):
I have seen cheap Thrills? Embry is. He's fantastic, So
I guess. I guess for j Courtney's probably like, how
do you follow? Like you've got to have a good
performance after that. And I think, actually, you know, everyone
I've spoken to about Dangerous Animals, whether they love it
or hate it, the consensus is just how good Jake
Call is in this and how much of like a

(18:02):
believable character. I mean, a lot of the girls I
know are now you know, of course obsessed with him
and you know, want to date him. And I was like,
well that's you know, we've got some problems on our
side there, but a testament to him doing a good
job in some weird way, right.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
He's charming when remember when the guy introduces the Canadian
I forget their names, but when yeah, when he introduces Heather,
He's like, let her say her name, and like the
whole baby shark like there's a charm to him in
this movie.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
No one even knows where you are.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, and his hair, he has glorious hair lighting in
this movie. His curly hair is like lit perfectly.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
I saw this again just and I was really focusing
on his hair lighting after you mentioned that first time around,
and yeah, it does, it does. I literally saw there's
like a gardless screening, and like I had to go
back and confirm I wasn't just bowled over by free popcorn.
I want a T shirt mass of crowd for the
people that love this film. So I saw it at

(19:02):
the only screening on a Friday, the thirteenth, the Horror
Centric Day, two horror films at my cinema, both one
showing at ten pm on eleven PM. So at eleven
PM on a Friday, full day of work, going and
finish at one am, me and four other people in
the theater. And I still loved it A S thirty
greatter So it's it's I'm not saying I wasn't bowled

(19:23):
over by the screening.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
I just like the film. I had fun with it.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
But then I have I have said before if you
put sharks in a film, I'll at least watch it,
and I'll probably like it more than if you didn't
put Shark like you could you could take the sharks
out of Dangerous Animals and it just be one of
the other shom Burrne films. Was a serial killer, but
he's just on a boat, and I think I would
probably like it less because there's there's there's no sharks
in it.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
And I like sharks, but they're great.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
White's pretty amazing in this movie.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, it's a spectacular final kill, as the final kills
go in shark movies, that's a pretty great one.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Yeah. I mean, I think one of the reasons that
I want to see Dangerous Animals was the shark aspect
as well. I know obviously both you big shark fans.
Of course, otherwise we''t be doing the podcast. But yeah,
I was like a serial killer with sharks. I was like,
that's like recipe for a badass film. And like I
mentioned earlier, I am petrified. I can't watch Shark week

(20:23):
Like you know, when they do that bobbing with the camera,
that is my worst nightmare. So I was like, even
if the film is not great, I will be scared
because of the sharks and They've got some great scenes
in there, like you mentioned the Great White Shark one,
but at the beginning, you know when they do the
first kind of dive in the cage and you've got
all of the sharks swimming around and you can see

(20:44):
how vast it is. I was hiding behind my hands
in the cinema. I was like, I can't watch that.
That's making me sick. I was like, that is absolutely horrible,
seeing like you know, when the shark is also like
far away and kind of see the shadow coming. Absolutely
not thank you, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
It's horrifying, right, someone just dangles you in the water
and you just don't at night and you have all
the sharks, Like that's a that's a pretty good idea
to base a whole horror film around. And you know,
I'm just happy that I'm happy that burned at it
because it could be really one note like Shark's serial
killer dumb them into water. That's a good enough idea

(21:23):
to get a movie out of. So I'm glad that
at least someone like him went and like shot this,
because this could have been a really bad kind of
B movie. I don't know, sci fi type idea, but
I think he definitely elevates it.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
I think it was I think it was quite nice
to see sharks on screen again, because I mean, I
don't watch loads of shark films, but I feel like, then,
you know, it's it's not always easy to make a
good shark film. And I think, you know, regardless of
if I liked the film or not, I think the
use of sharks and you know, the way that they

(21:58):
were quite realistic and it's not over the top, Like
I liked that element and I was like, we can
always do with another shark film like this. You can't
really go wrong with them, like they're always fun in
their own way.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Especially you can you can go wrong with them.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
What's nice about this one? Most like directed DVD streaming movies,
there's always trauma, so like a girl's sister is murdered,
someone is beating up, there's a hate crime, there's like
the craziest opening is the shark movies. There's always some
form of trauma and then they have to get in
the water. So this one, I know that Zephyr had

(22:37):
a rough youth, but it's kind of nice that there's
not have to see it, yeah, exactly, Like there's well
I don't know why, but most of these films, these
director streaming films open with some kind of traumatic event,
and this one doesn't like it. You're just making them
up now, Like my brother's cousin sister got run over
by a train. You know, I don't know, it's just

(22:58):
something weird, and like then they I gotta go yakking
And the.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Literally is one we've covered I won't spoil, but where
there's like two sisters out surfing and they go home
and one of them is like, I'm gonna go go
and check on my sister. And to get there and
she's been like abused and killed by her husband, my boyfriend.
It's just wild. And that's there's no but no inkling.
That's where the film is gonna go. That's the opening

(23:23):
scene is like domestic abuse and murder. Great and then
we go from that.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Like being on a kayak and a shark attacks you
is scary enough, like you don't need the other elements,
so it's like, I'm just glad that this one dumps
you in there. She eats a lot of bread rolls,
steal to ice cream, needs a nice kid.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
The one thing I thought, like too many bread rolls.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
I like Zephyr, but she kind of has some of
the truth. Like she she likes CCR, she likes surfy,
and she's like readily available. But I think I think
the way that Hassey Harrison perform like you know, like
the lit like and I think she plays real and
I think she had a lot of chemistry with what
Josh Houston, Yeah, so I like them. Did you like
them as a couple or no?

Speaker 4 (24:10):
I think I had my I liked them as a couple.
I liked that, like I'm you know, I do like
the kind of romantic subplot to an extent, and I
think actually it was quite nice to see a positive
one night stand experience. I was like, that's so nice
that the first day they sleep together and he still
goes after her, you know, a lot of the time
she'd just get ghosted after that.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
There's no demon like chasing you either.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Yeah, no st demon. He does make a pancakes, doesn't
he even take? He's cute. He's cute as hell in
this film. I think my only problem maybe with Zephyr
as a character is I would have liked more from her.
She felt like they kind of set her up as

(24:55):
and she is the final gal of the film. You know,
there's no doubt about that. But I think, you know,
seeing like the fact that she was a surfer, and
also I think the name is a nod to the
Zephyire surf shop back in the seventies, which then went
on to be the Zephyr Skate Shop. It's in Lords

(25:17):
of Dogtown, all about like the skate culture and where
it started with surfing. So I think that's like a
bit of a nod, which I really liked because I
was like, oh, that's kind of like joining the dots
between like surf culture. But I would have liked to
see more from her, and I think they could have
played on the fact that she's a surfer, like she's
you know, surfboard you've got them in the sea, you've

(25:38):
got the shark. She's clearly like, you know, very well
versed in the sea. And I felt like that wasn't
utilized as much as it could have been.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, yeah, I see that.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah, Yeah, she could of like taking Tucker's he had
a surfblared on, just like stolen that and tried to
get away on that at some point.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Maybe yeah, or maybe like some big wave with sharks
in and you know those kind of things. Maybe I
was maybe I was looking for more theaters. Clearly I
was looking for a safe then Sharks. Yeah, basically.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Another good movie.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Do you like the Shallows?

Speaker 4 (26:15):
I do like the Shallows? Yeah, And again anything with
sharks I find really scary. So for me, I'm like, yeah,
you know, obviously, I'm sure some of the ones that
you've covered are maybe not as scary, but scary. That
is the scariest one for sure.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
You know. You know what's fun about the shark genre
like like a lot of horror movies where they're just
I don't people look down on the horror genre, but
also like they're the eased to get financed and like
so many people they make so much money and like
final destinations exploding right now. But like you can't get
horror films nominated. That's another episode, But like shark movies
are so easy to finance that like there's a lot

(26:53):
of not great ones because you can just like a
lot of first time filmmakers get a shark movie and
like it's just really easy to put out there. So
a lot of them are really cynical exercises because like
I can go make a shark movie. Okay, cool, Like
we'll put it out, so, like it's fun talking about
as many as we do, because there's a few really
good ones. So it's kind of fun that like movie,

(27:14):
just the opening shot of the boat, the wide shot
of the boat is gorgeous, and like the burn close
ups of like the characters, and just the practical lighting
on the boat and the shark at the end, and
the four K footage of the sharks which fronts really
well with the with the rest of the film. So
I don't know, I guess I just get a joy
out of shark films that try, because a lot of

(27:35):
them don't, you know, because it's just so easy to
make them, and so there's always a little bit of
a thrill. So like, even watching this, I probably gave
it extra points because you could tell that like Burn
just respected every aspect. The boat looks great, the performances
are great, and even if it doesn't, I mean, it
doesn't connect nearly as much as his other ones, but
like it's just nice that he respected the genre a

(27:57):
little bit, and I like any genre. I like when
when filmmakers do that. So that's kind of why I
love this one. Like because it's just they put a
lot this looks great, that opening shot of the boat,
and like just the eight late eight minute credit, like
the credits won't roll into like eight minutes like that.
Yell like there's some good shots in this and well
thought out, like they storyboarded, they shot on open water.

(28:21):
There's a lot of stuff we don't get in shark
movies because a lot of them are just tanks in Malta.
So I dig that they went out there and like
got on the got on the ocean.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
So and a lot of them are just hey, you
go under the water. The sharks here try and survive,
I guess. And this is a different this has a
different element to it. So it's just refreshing. Ah, good
the sharks.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
This this respects sharks, is not like kill the sharks.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
They have the problem.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
No, the sharks are fine. They're just they're out there.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
I don't There's a minute where Zephyr just kind of
it is in the water and the Great White they
just have they have a moment and the Great White
kind of swims off and goes and kills Tucker instead.
And I don't always appreciate that, Like there's a similar
bit INDEPC three. I think I can't remember, but whenever
someone just has like a human connection with a shark,

(29:14):
I don't know. I don't know if I like that.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
It was it was, it was a bit of a
I was like, yeah, I turned to buy partner at
the cinema and I was like, that's them saying that
the monstrous not the shark, and it's and he was like, yeah, no,
I get the metaphor. I was like, I know. I
was like, I, yeah, I probably didn't like that aspect
of it as well, because I was like, I'm pretty
sure that Great White hasn't done Nah. I see you've

(29:38):
got a serial killer on the boat. I won't get you.
I'll wait for him, shall I, because we've got a
thing going on. And then I was like, oh, maybe
the Great White White. It's a female great one. She's
gone last. Girl's got to stick it together when you've
got a psycho man chasing you. She was like, yeah,
who knows, Maybe it does work that way. I've never
got that close enough to a shark to know.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Night.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Because if anything, you think like the Great was gonna
keep tuck her life because it keeps feeding the shocks
He's like, so this is against theos best interest.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
It's the sho so go against him.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Whenever's Yeah, whenever his boat's out there, they get free snacks. Yeah,
humming the water.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
And then I.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Don't know if I like the fishing line bit when
she speared tucker or like when it gets dragged away
then her foot gets stuck. I thought it was pretty funny,
but I was like, she's dead. She's dead, and he's
gonna die. She's going because I was like, this is
gonna end horrifying, and then she just pops back up.
So I was like, oh uh, and you know that
party boat. Maybe I'm getting old, but that party boat
looks horrible. I would get me away from that.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Would you must rather have like the tents on the
shore that she swims up to. That kind of more
your speed?

Speaker 1 (30:49):
No, just like a tub near near water with like
four empty seats next to me sounds great, but a
party boat sounds horrible.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, when it dragged her away then she swam back.
I was kind of wondering why that was added in,
but because I was like, he's doing it. I was like,
he's doing it, and then he didn't do it, which
I don't know would this movie have ended well just
like that, like with all this fighting, he comes to
save her, Like, was that earned at that point? Do
you think? I don't.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
I don't think so. I mean it was I found
that was where I found some of the frustrations with him,
kind of like going to save her and then it
was like you had a lot of those typical horror
character tropes where it was like, oh, you know, they
tried to do something, but they've fallen and that's not happening.
And I was like, I'm finding it frustrating because I

(31:40):
was like, they both seem like smart characters, but they're
making dumb mistakes in it. And I was like, I
don't know whether they both deserve to kind of fully live.
Obviously they did good for them. You know, I hope
they're in ten years time, married, wonderful meet, cute story
that they can tell their grandkids.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Your thumb well, funny story. I ate it. Yeah, yeah, no,
he definitely. I will say if I went to go
save somebody on a boat and like it was Jy
Courtney like all a beefed up six foot one, beefed
up Jai Courtney. I'm like a strap Man like I'm

(32:21):
gonna I'm out, Like yeah, yeah, there's a lot of
people where I would just run because yeah, that's that's
what I like about him. Though. He's definitely physically imposing,
and like I like how that hits and she kicks
him in the head once and that thuddy noise that
he makes that made me. That made me laugh, Like uh,
I like, I like their game of cat and mouse

(32:41):
in this, and you know, like it's almost like comfort
food because you know, you know, dumb mistakes are made.
But I I had to analyze like rom coms. I
have a job where had to analyze eighty six R
rated rom coms, and I found that there's eleven main
tropes and then I found that each of those average eight,
like even the good ones the bad ones. So like

(33:02):
there's like a comfort food element because they're all going
to do the same stupid stuff. So I guess in
horror movies like this, there it's playing exactly how it
should and I guess there's a comfort food element of
that where there wasn't in The Loved Ones or Devil's Candy.
But once again, I think he didn't write this script.
I think he found it was like, well, I can
make it. I can get this made. So it's I

(33:23):
don't know's it's more of like a comfort food film,
if that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
I do.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
I do think there was. I think they turned they
toned down some of the romantic aspects in terms of
like why she got dragged away and came back again.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
I think they.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
I'd noticed the second to a round. Most of this
film takes place on Valentine's Day. The CCTV that he's
checking of the video that's thirteenth of February, so that's
when she gets kidnapped, and then when he goes out
and saves it, that's the fourteenth. So I feel like
this was maybe written to be more like a more
of a it's a romantic film with a shark serial killer,

(33:58):
and they just kind of turned that down a little bit.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Perhaps, I don't know, it's a pet theory.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
That's a good pickup jay.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Very good.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Maybe it would have actually benefited because I think that
was my thing. I was like, why is there the
romantic subplot in there? Like, you know, I didn't mind
that they kind of met, they had this meet cute,
you know, they slept together. You know, it's great to
have someone that's coming to the rescue in the film.
But I was like, by the end, I was I
don't think you needed the romantic subplot. So maybe it

(34:32):
would have benefited, from from my kind of view, from
having more of it if it leant into it more.
And maybe it was, Hey, this is a romantic film
with horror as the undertone rather than the flip. Maybe
it would have worked more, you know.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah, Moses and Zephyr worked well together. Yeah, that pancakes
scene was nice.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
They're an unlikely pairing as well, aren't they, Because she's
kind of like this no mad, you know, hippie, free
loving and he's like a real estate agent, so it's
like the typical opposites. But then yeah, I think what's
quite interesting for their characters is that while she's kind
of like this free loving girl, she's also you know,
quite like independent, stern, maybe more masculine features that you'd expect,

(35:16):
you know, from a guy, whereas he's obviously very soft
and sweet and he makes a breakfast. So it kind
of like flips the tropes of a one night stand
that you typically think the guy you know leaves and
the gals like trying to make breakfast. But they actually
flip that, which was one thing I did really like.
I was like, that's nice to see a different kind
of dynamic.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Yeah, she's hard as nails and he's soft and gooey
according to according to to Bruce, Yeah no, yeah, they
did flip that. But no, he he doesn't get you know.
You know sometimes when you introduce a love interest, you
have to like them, Like, they have very limited screen time,
so you need very little time to kind of be
invested with him. And I had never seen this guy

(35:56):
before and I like them, so I like that bit.
That was cool and also has Harrison. Have you ever
watched Tacona Tacoma FD? Have you ever heard of that show?

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Firefighter sitcom? Yeah, never got released in the UK. It's
pretty The clips I've seen are pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
It's lizards, yeah, and they're firefighters in the in the
rainiest city in America, so they have nothing to do,
and she's one of the characters in there. She's one
of the firefighters. So like watching her in action mode
surfer mode was funny because she's normally just like a firefighter,
cracking jokes, so it was fun to see her. Also,
I want to see her Hasse Harrison and Maddie Hassen.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
In a movie.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Cool, Okay, I like Maddy Hassen. What what's that malignant?
And what we sum in the darkness? I like Maddi Hassen.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
She's good.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Put the two of them together. That's a lot of
s's and ours.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
And I don't think I've seen her in anything.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
I didn't think, well, if she's in Malignant, i've seen her.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
But the sister, you know, I didn't you just what?

Speaker 4 (37:00):
You just want to make a film for you there
Mark with your favorite people, isn't they?

Speaker 1 (37:04):
I just like, I just like Hassi Harrison and Maddy Hassen,
Like that's just a lot of like not a literation,
but you know, I guess there's a lot of I
do you know her? Yeah? I just I love Malignant.
That's a great film. Do you like Malignant?

Speaker 4 (37:19):
I absolutely hated Malignant as well, So I feel like
I couldn't stand it. I saw at the cinema, I
was like, what is this trash? I hated it. But
you know, again, as I always say to everyone, one
of my favorite films is like, you know, Cannibal Holocaust.
So I don't I don't judge anyone for what they like.
If anything, I'm like, I'm probably in the wrong on

(37:40):
my taste, so you know, I'll leave it.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
That film's real though. That film rocks. It's not easy
to watch, but it If you're going to do a
film like that, do it like that, like, don't pull
your punches exactly. You like the Guests though, I see
that is that the Guest?

Speaker 4 (37:56):
I do like the Guest. Yeah, The Guest is one
of one of my favorite films actually, and I wrote
another one I wrote about for Second Sight, and yeah,
I love the Guest. I love that as like an
action Neon Synthy. Not quite sure what kind of film
it is, but it's a good one.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
I recognize a box. I have the same one. So
ill you have the essay in there, I'll give it
a read.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Yes you must. Yeah, I've got an essay in there.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
I would have shark would a shark and made that
movie better Ethan memories in that movie, by the way,
another ground in that movie.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
We've got a common theme, I mean, a shark. You know,
it would have been nice see David fighting a shark.
I think I think he's kind of the perfect. I mean,
he's like what you know, government coded, so you never
know he'd be off on missions fighting sharks. And maybe
that you know, in a parallel universe, perhaps Davey would
have been sent to to fight Jay, to fight Tucker

(38:55):
in this film. You know that's the spin off we
didn't know.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
We did. Make it happen. Make it happen. Use all
your powers to get this going. Three years from now,
we'll have this going. But any other any other thoughts
about this movie.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
I mean, well, one thing we didn't pick up on
the first of Mark. There's a kitchen fight in this Yes,
there is. You love kitchen fight.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
I love a kitchens It's.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
A galley fight, I guess, but it still still counts
kitchen fight.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
I mean, like, is it? Is it Michelin star rated?
It's like she had a good head bonk, Like when
he pulls her down, she hits her head on the stove.
He pulls a knife, she grabs a frying pan knocks
him out with it. So yeah, I mean, for for
a short like Appetizer kitchen Fight, I would I would
give it a Michelin star. I like it. Okay, Yeah,

(39:43):
I watched Zoe and I award them Michelin stars.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
How many Michelin stars. Would I give the kitchen fight?

Speaker 1 (39:53):
No, No, I do so like You're Next and Raid
two and all those. I watch them and.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
Then I record the kitchen.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, it's very random, but I like doing that because
that's where my brain works.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
So just give it a little star.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
How would Aaron have done against Aaron from your Next
have done against Tucker? Just wipe them off the face.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Of Yeah, he would have died very quickly.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Very legend. There's that many characters like Aaron. I was
hoping that Zephyr might do that, but like Zephyr's a
total like she's very resourceful and like never gives up.
But yeah, eron, it would be a short movie.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
Yeah, there'd be nothing going on. But that was maybe.
I mean, I think I think I wanted more fight,
like you mentioned. Obviously, I really like the kitchen fight scene,
but I think I wanted more fighting. And I don't
know what both if you you think, but there was
lacking gore for me. I thought it could have been
really fun to see some like more limbs getting chumped

(40:55):
off here, there and everywhere, like proper kind of I
know we've got a few, you know, and we see
how that don't we kind of like get margic and
then just yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Because I mean the devo the O comes in, he
gets the hook in the head. There's like some gore
in there, but it's not really dwell on for too long.
It's just kind of I did. That's probably my favorite
kill in it is because they get the hook in
the head and then he kind of fools and it
goes in deeper. That got a pretty big reaction the screening,
but yeah, it's it's not terribly gory.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
There's a knife, knife to the throat, but he's in
the water pretty quick.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Little knife to the the gut.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Maybe I'm a simple guy because just an overhead shot
of that leg floating was enough for me. Like that feel,
I feel like I have a checklist, And when that happened,
I was like, I'm good. So I think that that
satiated my need for a floating limb in the water.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
And a shark movie, a floating limb.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
We got a kitchen fight. Well what else was Yeah,
this was made from me.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Pretty much.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Je catapults. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
So there's only two movies that qualify for the Hoffmeyer
scale of greatness. Like so it's water World, because it
features a sea creature, a catapult, and a jet ski
action scene. So yeah, water World and The Mermaid. The
Mermaid twenty sixteen films only two films see uh cover
All Night for another. Yeah, I'm always looking, so this
one has This one has a couple of things I

(42:27):
really like. But I don't know. I guess if we're
looking at limb Loss, Hall of Fame and shark movies,
I don't know. Probably Jaws Revenges is really good because
Mike just screams for about three minutes.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
It is his own. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah, Jim loses his arm in Shark Knight. A guy
gets his arm bit off and then he fights a
hammerhead shark in the show.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
In the show actually sounds amazing.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
It's like one of the best scenes.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
It's just a whole hour and a half film around it.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, and there's a jet ski act in See with
a Shark a great way that swims like seventy miles
an hour. I think, you know what my favorite arm last?
I think krawl when Barry Pepper because that's a brutal
arm rip and Asha he took off ving Ram's legs
in a Piranha as well on a three D.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, yeah, the.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Prana three d's. Did you like that, Zoe with all
the gor or no?

Speaker 4 (43:22):
I mean I watched it with friends many years ago
and we had fun with it again, Like I was, like,
it is it is what it is. You know, it's
quite it's a surface level film, but how can you
That's what I mean. I think with a lot of
these films, the fun of them isn't it is just
that it's kind of a bit of a bit of
nonsense in a way, which I guess you know, to

(43:45):
an extent, I guess you know, Dangerous Animals is kind
of that, Like it's a fun it's a fun film,
which I think you know is not my is probably
not my number one go to, Like I said earlier,
know my kind of fun is a different kind of fun,
and maybe that's why I didn't love it as much.
But I feel like, you know, most people I know

(44:05):
that saw it did have a really good time with it,
and it also got a lot of people in the cinema.
I think, like I know a lot of people that
saw it at the cinema, and like you were saying, Jay,
mine was also like an eleven PM showing, which I'm
not good about nine pm, but it was the only
time and the cinema was actually packed at that time,

(44:28):
so I was quite surprised bringing people in.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yeah was that London or Edinburgh?

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Edinburgh or Edinburgh? Yeah yeah, and also not in the city.
I'm like by the seaside. So I was surprised that
it was so so busy. But there's also not that
much going on. I'm here at ten pm on a Saturday,
so you.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Know, so I was like, I was home by six
and I got five hours to wait for this film.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
So I'm not even to see how training a Dragon.
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
That's late. I need a Celsius to go see that.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
I had nothing to do Saturday, so it was fine.
I just two am and then whatever.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah good.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
I did.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Like as as final kill off lines, go Ubi do
Mother is pretty great. That was the real like yes, hell, yes,
love this.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
Bruce would be like what because he yeah, that's a
good Actually that might be a real conversation one like
the villain is like is that a reference to something else?
Like what like that's uh, that's yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Two days ago we had a conversation me and that
guy that's almost dead in the chair we had a
chat about CCRs to meet cute.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
He likes it, don't worry, you could die, don't worry.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Actually I want that scene. And then he's just I
don't get it getting dragged away.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Do you think he was he was concerned that no
one he know he was being the camera did was
on him as he was being killed. Do you think
he was concerned, like, no one's filming this, this.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Is I'm not in focus.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Yeah, maybe, actually, because that's that's clearly part of his
I don't know, his his kink of it or whatever
kind of kick he gets out of it is the
filming of it in an alternative world. I was like,
I hope that he does share the videos somewhere as
like here's my but he does like an intro and
he's like, here's my home video, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
A really cheesy commentary.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
Hey guys. Yeah, he's like, so that walks through by through,
So yeah. I feel like maybe he would be disappointed
if he wasn't filmed. It's like his lasting legacy for
you know, his little collection that he's making.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
When his camera gets chucked in the water, he looks.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
So hot, which I love, just human in the stuff.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Shop like a fake. I've got to get a new
camera to murder people with. I do like though, that
he makes the fishing hooks out hair. I thought that
was like a nice little sick light, little twist and
memorabilia for him. I really liked that touch.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
I thought maybe he would use it for fishing, but
he just taped them on the tape that he makes,
so I kind of like that too. That's like his
own little keepsake.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Which keep the gardle screening.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
But they built up that wall of videotape cases with
like hair taped onto them, and they had like buckets
with heads in them around the tables, which like, there's
a lot of production value have gone into this thing
for a hundred people. But no one else is going to.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Say they loved the press, loved doing a themed but
I and this is just me. I do feel like
when they have a better press night and they've got
more theatrics, I'm a was like, ah, that's where the
budget went, and the film is usually not as good.
But that's just my experience with some of them.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
And when the trailer shows everything, I'm like, this movie
is not good because they're trying to get butts and
seats by giving everything away.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
For I haven't seen the trailer for this was that
was this.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
I'm just saying in general, there's some trailers that you
watch and they show everything and we're like, well, that's
probably the movie right there. They just want people in
for the first weekend.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
The trailer for this. Because I did actually watch the trailer,
that's what got me so excited. And I don't usually
watch trailers, and I was like, oh my god, this
looks so good. I've been banging on about it, but
it did have all the best bits in the trailer
now that I've seen the film, Yeah, And I was like,
that is a reminder to myself not to watch the
trailer because whenever I do, I go, oh, damn it,

(48:38):
I've seen the best fits. Nothing's coming.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
It's tough, though, right because there's not You can't just
be like Jike or Jake Dye Courtney this summer. Everyone's like,
not the guy from Genesis Terminator.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Genesis made a bunch of awful films.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Yeah, you know, like Yellowstones, Hassey Harrison or.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
This guy from Nothing You've seen before.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah, So like I guess if your IFC shutter, you're
kind of like, what do I do, Like, this is
a shark movie, it's a serial killer movie. Yeah, I mean,
and Sean Byrne, how many do you think most of
the populace probably doesn't know about him?

Speaker 2 (49:15):
It's like before this film came out.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Yeah, so I mean, I can't really market that, so
then I guess you kind of just gotta go heavy
on the trailer. But there was a good buzz about it,
which means, I know it didn't make much money, but
I think just the good word of mouth will get
him another movie and maybe more people watch The Devil's
Candy or The Loved Ones.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
They should They're great.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Yeah, yeah, that would be my hope that And I
mean I because a lot of the people will obviously,
you know, in the horror circle, most of the people
that I know love The Loved Ones. So I think
that's why there was like a big buzz around it
then because people did you know in horror do no
Sean Burn's name. But yeah, I mean if it, if
it brings more people to the Devil's Candy and The

(49:58):
Loved Ones, I would be very happy. However, I do
feel like if you've gone to see Dangerous Animals and
you don't know Sean Burn's other films, and then you go,
I'm going to whack on the loved ones, or you
might go, oh, that's very different to what I was
expecting enough to seeing Dangerous Animals like quite a tone shift.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Jee's reaction to watching Devil's Candy was great. Would you say,
like that wasn't fun but you loved it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (50:24):
It was not a phone. It's not an experience watching it.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
I'll watch this with dinner.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
It's just a Thursday, you know, let's see what this?

Speaker 1 (50:32):
No, no, no, not the vibe. Why haven't they gotten
great releases though? Like, why haven't they gotten big like
small films. I guess just they didn't like Arrow or
Second Sight or Vinegar Syndrome or something. Don't you think
those could get covered?

Speaker 4 (50:50):
I reckon now because what I've noticed with like places
like Second Sight and some of the other release places,
it's almost like once the director kind of gets a
bit more out, they'll often revisit. So, now that Dangerous
Animals is out there, and obviously you know he has
you know, done well, and people are seeming to kind
of love it, perhaps they'll maybe they do like a

(51:11):
little Sean Burn trilogy or revisit and go back to
some of his stuff now that he's like gaining a
bit more notoriety.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Oh, I love that. I'd love to have like a
Beefy Arrow Blu Ray or second Sight Blu.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Ray of his kidnap saga.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yeah, the serial Killers. He's making another one too, so
like just.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
It's all he knows. I'm a little concerned about this guy. Yeah,
this is this is worrying me a little bit. I
filmmaker who just makes films about being being kidnapped.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
He's got a I was gonna say secretly, he's got
a boat somewhere. Yeah, my off season with a family
that no one, no one's ever seen his family.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
He talks about him a lot. But I don't know
if I've seen pictures where on.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
You just stuffed humans.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Mannekins's a cellar with like a body pyramid and bones.
Sure loved one's great. That seems crazy.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
The whole film's crazy.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Jay, how are we doing Deep Blue in Yeah?

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Because I saw it again there was no one else
in the cinema. There was gonna have a stop watch going.
So I did the Deep The Deep in the Blue Rankings,
which is the first time I've done that for film
in the cinema because I'm cool. So yeah, if it listeners,
if it's welcome, this is your first time.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Hello.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Every time we watch a new film, I go through
and work out how deep, how blue, and how much
at sea? All of the action taking place with the
film is so deep blue Sea, as everyone remembers, is
fourteen and a half meters of forty seven and a
half feet deep, about thirty one percent blue, and eighty
nine percent of it set at the sea. Sorry, Mark,
do you think Dangerous Animals is deeper, bluer, or more

(52:50):
at sea than Deep Blue Sea?

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Oh? Good question. I don't think so. I think we
get some good amounts of I mean it's it's pretty
much mostly at sea. I'd give it high rating for
its sea content. I think maybe around maybe around like
a seventy five percent to eighty percent. I think set

(53:15):
maybe eighty percent set at sea, deep and blue. I
don't I don't think it ranks higher. I don't think
we go underwater as much as Deep Blue Sy.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
I agree, No, no, no, yeah, correct, So yeah, this
is very much a surface film. There is a like
when they go in the shark cage, it's like a
couple of meters underwater. That's about it. So this works
out as being forty four centimeters or one point four
feet up in the air, which makes it slightly higher

(53:51):
than Piranha, slightly, very very very slightly, like.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Point zero two.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Millimeters lower than the first Pirates, the Caribbean film. I
had to go down to four does more blazers for this.
In terms of blueness, it's only twenty one point six
percent blue, so bluer than ice sharks, less blue than Poseidon.
And you're very close with the scene seventy three percent
at see seventy three so it's slightly more at sea

(54:19):
than something in the water, slightly less it's see than
the last breath. Yeah, but that's that's that's dangerous animals.
Did you have any other notes on the film, that's
all thery.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
No. I think I think generally, like I I didn't
love the film. It definitely wasn't a film for for me.
But you know, again, I've got quite particular tastes, but
I do think like I would, I've still recommended it
to people. I'm like, go see at the cinema, Like
you know, it's a fun film. It's a bit it's

(54:51):
definitely a bit more mainstream. But you know, I think
j Courtney's performance brings it along really nicely, and I
think it's always nice to see. I'm you know, like
maybe lesser known director like Sean Byrn kind of flexing
on some of his skills. And like you said, Mark,
you know, it's shot really well. The storyline is pretty

(55:11):
easy to follow. You do have some good kind of
gore bits in there. The thumb scene is fantastic. So like, overall,
whilst not for me, I do think it's you know,
a good film and I'm happy to see you know
that Sharks have got people back into the back into
the cinema. I'm always pleased if people are in the
cinema and watching horror, especially so. Yeah, but it still

(55:33):
stays at a it's still staying at a two star
for me, unfortunately enough in terms.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Of horror films out right now, it's better than clowning
a cornfield.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
I need to watch that because I like you don't
you do not do not.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
I did not like it at all. The characters are
all awful. Yeah, it's not great. That was the other
film that was being shown for it. I think ten
o'clock and so I saw that one Saturday.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Last thing one thing I like about Shan Berwer movies.
The characters aren't terrible, like Ethan Emery is a good dude.
Family's cool, like loved ones, the kid, like his girlfriend.
I'm blanking on their names. They're not like terrible Zephyr,
and like it's nice, Like sometimes you get movies like
just a bunch of unlikable people getting murdered, and I
know the genre has that, but like it's nice, like
he has a nice.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Even even Heather, who's not in it very often, but
you get a lot from.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Yeah she's cool.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, great, Well, thank you for joy to
talk about it, Zorry. What can listeners find you? What
do you do over it? Tainted off?

Speaker 4 (56:30):
Yeah, thank thank you for having me. Was I'm very
happy to have come back and talk about sharks.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
People can find me at Zobo with a Shotgun on
Instagram x and blue Sky. I'm awful at social but
I sometimes post some some things now and again like us.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
You do more than we do.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
Yeah, you posted earlier and I was like yes, I
was like, we don't do that much.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Yeah, but quick repost.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
And then Yeah, I run a I co host a
podcast with my friend DeVaughn Taylor also known as Daddy Disco.
Probably better to find him that way, and we have
a podcast called Tainted Love where we obviously talk about
horror films wouldn't be anything else with me, but we
look at it through the lens of relationships, love, sex,

(57:21):
and dating. So we try to find films where we
look at the main characters and pick apart their relationships.
So we cover a lot of films that are from
my end, quite bleak, toxic relationships. And then me and
DeVaughn both bring many erotic, very horny films to the table,
and then DeVaughn always chooses the more lovey ones, so

(57:44):
we have a nice balance. And then yeah, you can
find my writings and write for like Second Sight and
have some things coming out recently on New French extremity
and things. But that's ye, I've always got something on
the go somewhere.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Have you talked about yet?

Speaker 4 (58:01):
That is the next film we're covering.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
That's like one of my favorite movies of the We're
doing this thing for the like the critic group. I
Then we're doing top twenty five films of the twenty
first century. It's hard, but I got thirst on there.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
I've never seen it. I'm really excited.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Yeah, excited to hear that movie covered everything you said
in that section. So yeah, I love that film so much.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Cool, Well, listeners, you can follow this podcast all over
social media at Deep Blue seapod, my slatest Lifeless film
dot com, Marxist Movies, Films and Flicks dot com. You've
got anything else to plug market these going on? This
is coming out like in three days right this week,
it's rutsome.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
I got hired by the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency
and of every time, so I get a lot of
weird jobs for writing the movies. And I had to
write about if Superman speeds, what would happen if he
speed sped as fast as he flew? And I had
to write about Johnny Storm driving in so I put

(59:11):
Johnny Storm in a rainstorm driving a geo storm. What
would happen? How long it would take him a break?
So there's an ad about not speeding around Superhill films,
and I got the guy. They gave it to the
guy at fandom. He was busy, so then he had
me to it so it's fun. I get a lot
of weird jobs and I love it.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Great say this is coming out this week, so next
week might be fair below an another news shock movie release.
If not, it'll be Kirana two this morning, so one
of those two will be out next week. But as
for dangerous animals, thank you once again to I guess
sorry Rose Smith.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
I have been Jake Lewett and.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
I'm Mark Hofmeyer and we'll deep blue see you next week.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Baby, the