Episode 236 (Preach Cobbler)

Jay and Mark are joined by Abe Moua (@WalrusMoose on X) to discuss "Oven Cooked," the 17th chapter of Deep Blue Sea. In this episode, they also talk about mid-movie kill lines, hungry fighting, and parrot ghosts. Enjoy!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, and welcome to Deep Blue Sea the podcast. I
am Mark, you eight my Bird Hoffmeyer, and I.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Am Jay that damn sub Cluix. Welcome with you. What
did we see the podcast? On this show, we've been
to the entire Deep Blue Sea trogy scene by scene,
and we're doing it again because we love it so
much with all new guests. And this is DeepC one,
chapter seventeen.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Seventeen seventeen, more than halfway through.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
This is the halfway point, I think, so chapter seventeen.
What haven't this chapter seventeen. Let's have a listen. Russell
talks to Scuggins in the wet entry lab. I haver
To checks out the destroyed submersible. Janis looks at the
waterlosing cars.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
There no, no.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
There's nothing here that could have blown with enough force
to move that damn sub.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Whatever it's junk.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Well, we can all just dive in and see who
makes it to the top. Isn't that the old Quantica
spirit Doctor Susie dive in.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Russell Brandish is a wetsuit at Scogins.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
You could go first, just lead by example.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
He was my best friend.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Jennie.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
You gotta get out of here. I'm not going into water,
no way. Man. The sharks are in there. Listen, we
put these on. They help fight hypothermia. That's a start.
And unless someone's got a better idea, we're gonna have
to swim out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
In the kitchen, the shark thrushes at the oven door.
The preacher in sunny.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
Whether intentionally or not, the shark to the oven all.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
The shark continues to bash at the other window, whilst
Preacher hacks at the roof with the axe.

Speaker 6 (02:19):
M m hm, you face, lion, that's what I'm freaking
irony lords.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
A result of it, I've got.

Speaker 7 (02:40):
Preacher cuts a whole large enough to climber the roof
and climbs up. He opens the door to the top
of and he lost the shark's heads inside the lower
of him.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
He dives from the oven, swims through the doorway, and
so he's the scene.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
He rouses lighter than activats it. You ain't my burn.
Richard throws the lighter towards the oven and dives out
the door under the water, just as the shark surfaces
and explodes in up bowl of fire. And that was
deep with one chapter seventeen, We've got another wonderful guest

(03:34):
to join us to talk about it. He's not been before,
but his co host has, Aaron Wheth' have been here
a bunch of times. This is our first time welcoming
his co host from out now with Aaron Abe. It's
ape moa Abe.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Welcome to the show. Hello, Thank you for having me.
This is fantastic, This is great. Yeah, I have never
been on one of these before, but I've been a
big fan. Mark. You've been on our show quite a
bit and you're always everything that I retweet from you
always as you with again some sort of like sea
vessel or so happy to be here with you too.

(04:09):
This is you know.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
During the introduction, I was like hello, and I was like,
I almost stopped and went this is the first time.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
We've had you a like, I stopped just I was like, okay, Mark,
fight through it. But podcasting is a small world, and
we we've all talked to each other many times in
other forms. That's probably why it's not it doesn't feel
like it doesn't feel out of place, all right.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
So I have something very important for you today, Jay,
and we're gonna give this kitchen fight from Deep Blue Sea.
Michelin Stars So there's five criteria.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
You do this whole Yeah, so I do think. I
do this on MFF with Nick Rehack.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
We watch kitchen fights and we give them Michelin stars
based on the Michelin criteria.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
So there's there's five criteria used by the Michelin Guide
to evaluate restaurants for Michelin Stars. So we're going to
use those five criteria and we're gonna evaluate this kitchen
fight to see if it gets cinematic Michelin stars.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Sound good, sounds great?

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Okay, So here are the five criterion Quality of products.
So Michelin inspectors assess the quality and freshness of ingredients
use in the dishes.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Next, Mastery of flavor and cooking techniques. This includes evaluating
the chef's skill and crafting, balance flavors and using appropriate
cooking methods.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Personality as chef in the cuisine. This refers to the
chef's unique style and how is reflected in the restaurant's
food and overall dying experience. Value for money. Inspectors consider
whether the price of the meal reflects the quality of
the food and service, and finally, consistency between visits Michelin
inspectors visit restaurants multiple times to ensure the quality and

(05:44):
consistency of the food and experience. So for each category,
we're going to give one to three stars and then
I'll tally it up and I'll give an average of
what this is.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Could it give zero or recommendation? You know how there's
like Michelin recommended versus michelon one two or three. Oh,
I mean let's just do one, two, three, Okay, Okay, So.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Went across the clarification is the chef is that preacher
or is that Renny Harland?

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Rennie Harlan. Okay, all right, now you're okay, So.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Like quality of products, it's just kind of talking about
the freshness of the ingredients. So it's look at the
set the actor the Sharks bywall Conti, Trevor Ravens, score
stuff like that mastery of flavor and cooking techniques. So
it's the chef's skill, Rendie Harlan's skill and crafting a
balanced fight scene and using appropriate hitch and fight skills.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
This is a lot.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Harder now personality of the of Rennie Harlan and the cuisine.
So it's like does Rennie Harlan put his style into it,
value for money, Like when I watched this deep blue set,
went this is awesome and I didn't expect it. So
that's kind of where I'm going at with that. And
then consistency between visits. We've watched this movie so many times,
so just like, does is it always good?

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah? Hasn't gotten old?

Speaker 1 (07:01):
You know, like this isn't a different viewing each time.
But I want to I want to cover that. So
are you guys all right with this?

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, let's do. Let's go. Okay.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
So quality of products, Like, what's this fight scene? It's
it's preacher. He gets his bird eating, he gets stuck.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
In his oven.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
He he says, you eat, you ate my shark. He
gets his own line a third like this is a
line used for the ending of a movie, and he
gets this line halfway through, so he gets his own
kill tag halfway through. His bird is blown up. No
one knows what he's doing, like everyone else is arguing

(07:38):
about wetsuits and preachers up there stuck in the oven with.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
The gas on.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
So like the quality of products in this, like I
think the set design. Has they built a kitchen, they.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Sunk it and had water in it, like that's that's
a pretty awesome let's get argument there. Yeah, so what
do you think? And they also thought about, you know,
a pretty serious two, like a you know, one built
for mass production because it has multiple layers to it too, right,
because he's got to like, you know, he's got a

(08:07):
ax out of it. So I you're selling me on
three stars here, because I was gonna go with two
because I was like, it's underwater, you know, this food
is going to be terrible. But you're selling me on
them thinking very thoughtfully about this his profession as a chef.
And also the question for you both of you here,

(08:27):
you guys are the shark experts. Was the shark smart
enough to be like I'm going to turn this thing on?
Or was he just like bump accident.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
I think it did it because they understand cameras like
this camera, yeah, goes to a feed where people can
watch us. If I play dead for a long period
of time, I can bite this dude's arm off and
then use the gurney as a battering ram. There's another
shark just waiting in McAllister's office to kill her and

(08:57):
get the research, so right now, Yeah, so they understand.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
I think, okay, pretty smart. All right, so you know
they've rendy Harlan has put buttons available where it needs
to be. Three stars, three stars.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I'm going through just just on the point of did
this shark intention to the other on? I don't. I'm
going to debate the intelligence of this shark.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
This isn't like, this is kind of a dummy shark.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
This is one of the parents, that's the offspring, is
the bigger one, who's the smart one that threw Jimmy window.
This one doesn't have the intelligence to use tools in
that when it's bashing to get Preacher out of the oven.
There's so much kitchen debris around it. It could pick
something up and smash the oven door. But instead it's
ramming face first into that thing.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Wow, with like a continuity air.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Perhaps maybe it could have bit onto the handle, I
suppose and just pull it open, which would have been hilarious.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Maybe. So, I don't know if this shark can turn
the other on. It may have been the younger shark,
but like, hey, when you get into the kitchen, he
will get into the oven. This will happen. Yeah, And
this is what hit it hit hit it like it
somehow drew like picture in the sand, like hit this
is this button, hit this button, and the shots.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Like it's on the bottom of in the in the sand.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, it's drawing, like I hear instruction many of an
oven exactly.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
I love that idea of them, like diagramming things out beforehand,
like it's a plan of attack. It's like, okay, for
each of these rooms, here's the weak points.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
He's like, YouTube, pay attention, stop Google fooling around.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Are listening to me? Yeah, I heard you tell me
what I said. No, I'm not. I heard something about Yeah.
When I when I get in the situation, I don't
know what you do. Okay, guys, get the crack mom.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
You listen like every third word and then you just
repeat those back to me like I heard that, Like, oh,
you know.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
This is good, like for the Street Sharks movie that
we're getting, give it a shark listen.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Then So then if Gen two came up with the
plant and this shark hit the gas, so that's pretty smart.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah, but then it ends up killing it. Well, I
mean that's because it got confused about where Preacher was.
First second, it didn't it didn't realize that there are
ripples in the water because maybe there's like other ripples
that it can tell that there's human there.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
It gets into a frenzy, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, it turns out that if you eat a parrot
has a delayed hallucina general quality to a shark. It's
like this off to parent ingestion. It stills going, Hey.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
What possible? But yeah, it's possible.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
There's a three for the three.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
I think this means like, whenever I'm hungry and I
go into a trader Joe's it's on, like, I really
don't focus.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I'm just like I want that. I want that interesting, don't.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Look at you like, I just don't look at everything.
My wife's like, did you see that?

Speaker 3 (11:54):
No, Like, because I'm like.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I just want that, And uh, I think that's what
the shark is at right now.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Got the gas. That's like I can eat this dude. Yeah, Like,
I'm really honed in on this guy. My fish high
lens camera very appropriate for the scene. Is just locked
in on this and I'm gonna go for it.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Never get into a kitchen fight hungry.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
This is probably a really good rule of thumb for
battle for any situation. Yeah, don't go to any situation, hungry.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Brave, heart, full stomach, you know, just you don't want
to be that something.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
I mean, this is probably why William Wallace gets gets
quartered at the end of the movie. Yeah he did. Yeah, exactly,
exactly exactly, Jay, what's the final thing? He yells like,
I'm hungry? What exactly? Get this man some bread? Well

(12:52):
that's what his dead wife is bringing him as you
get her through the screen, just like just a loaf. Exactly. Yeah,
just a.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I was watching Robinhood Princess These the other day and
I love how Robin Hood walks up to the I
forget the guy this is, yeah, the guy who's his
assistant who's blind, and he walks up to him and
he gives him the biggest piece of bread.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
He's like, here, you go eat this.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
It's like cool, like but saus You're kind of hungry
and someone just gives you like a twelve inch sour dough.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
I mean, Jersey Mikes, let's go. I don't know what
the equivalent Jersey Mikes is in the UK, ag I
don't either. Liverpool Liverpool Rays.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Oh liver raise sure.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, well there's me googling to see that's a real thing.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, I don't the only subway chain now I've seen
what it is is a bulshity subway I'm aware of.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Okay, Okay, okay, So three Quality of products three now
master of flavor and cooking techniques. So like we're gonna
evaluate Brennie Harlan's skill and crafting a balanced kitchen fight
using appropriate filming techniques.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Okay, So I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Overhead shots in this it's practically lit, like it's beautifully
lit because all the lights in the kitchen are still on,
so that provides a nice light source.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Some shot vision, as I mentioned shark vision.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
I mean they built a set. They built the kitchen
to sink it, to put a shark in it to
fight Allo.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Cool j Yeah. And also like really good use of
clutter in the water chen they thought about like exactly, yeah,
all the kitchen supplies and debris, so that's pretty realistic.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
There's one thing standing, but it has all the can
like big cans of tomatoes, and those are pretty heavy,
so it could still be standing because that's a few
hundred pounds.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Well the other thing and he fell over because Preacher
climbed up it. So I feel like them Yeah, big
units are going to be fun. It's the walls was slow.
He filled the kitchen and then as long as the
shot doesn't swim into the thing, it's gonna be fine.
It's not. It's not upright at the end of the
chapter because the kitchen doesn't exist the end of the chapter.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, the revolving door like the night the doors are
perfect too, because the sharkness sneaks in without knowing.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Right.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Do you have a menu with hell sinky hollandaise finish pancakes?

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Now? Is he making that fresh every day or is
it refrigerated? Because I prefer fresh. If he's making holidays,
that's interesting. But I don't even know what hollandaise sauce is.
It's like egg and something else. But you know, Anthony
Bourdain was big on making it fresh, and then he relented.
It was like, you know, it's fine if you have
it pre made, if it's a busy work day.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Egg yolk, smelted butter and lemon juice.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
There you go. He's making it fresh, making it okay. Yeah,
he's a good he's a good chef. Then he's big
on eggs.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
He loves some eggs, makes a power egg colon noise.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, I've got my score for you. I'm going to
give this a two star. Okay some whole. I like
everything that you said about all the lighting, the the
the kitchen setup, Jay with the clutter and everything else too,
but I'm holding a star wreck because it's only Preacher
in this scene with the shark, so I know that

(16:21):
you know it makes sense because they're in a kitchen
and he's the chef, and everybody else is like what
you guys established earlier talking and complained about wetsuits and
whatever else. But that's the only thing where it's like, hey,
if there was like a little red hairing of some
other character being like, hey, do you have the holiday
sauce ready? And then it's like, oh no, you've ruined it,

(16:43):
Like you're creating a weird distraction here for the shark
and now I don't know what to do or if
you know, the the ghost of his parrot was like,
that's what you get, mother as there as he's eggs
through the door, that'd be fantastic.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
But like in Black Dynamite when Abraham Abraham Lincoln's ghost
pops up, or like to fight Nixon, or in Happy
Gilmore when he sees Abraham Lincoln again as shows up
at the end.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
So like the bird is just in like a what
like corporeal or ghost form.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
It's that yeah, like like Casper style Casper lights, or
just like a voice that you hear. And it takes
folks like you and Jay who are picking this at
every scene and every second to figure out, like, hey,
did you guys hear that there's a parrot that says
this is what you get? Both her and Rendy Harlan

(17:38):
put that in just to like, you know, give an
extra fu to the shark. This is what you get, yeah, exactly,
And it's very faint. It's a shark. Is it inside
the shark watching? I feel like a ghost. It's a ghost.
I think it's a ghost style. Yeah, and it would
be great inside the ghost would be actually hilarious if
they had like a cutaway shot to be like but

(18:02):
it would make any.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Sense, shining light open. And then after he kills the shark,
the parrots like, thank you, pretty.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Sure I can finally go to heaven now.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
And then and it floats away to heaven and then
all of a sudden, zapps all the way down.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
The hell we're all of a sudden rewriting the script here.
But yeah, I would give it a two. But I
like everything that you've said. Okay, Jay, what do you
what are you gonna give it?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
I mean, I'm sticking with three because I feel like
the fact that it's just preaching the shark one of
the factors was a balance. It pretre pretty sure the
balance because's a one on one, like you've got a
shark and you've got a man with tools and the
man brain of human brain. So I feel like that's
kind of balanced. Then it looks like the shark is
going to kill him, but Preach wins out in the end,

(18:49):
so I feel like that's that's fair. Adding in another person,
it's just like he's definitely gonna win. So I think
it's more balanced this way, So I'm gonna stick with
the three.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
I mean, like the talking to himself as well, Like
LL's great at talking to himself because in H two
O he's just talking to a phone with his girlfriend.
But you know, I was probably added in post and
then this one he's like in the like I'm Daniel
in the lay, he does a good job of talking
to himself and making it sound like make it work.
So like Rennie balances that pretty well, but good points.

(19:23):
They just sunk They built a kitchen set so that
they could lower it into water and have a fight
with a shark, a practical shark. Yeah, so I'm gonna
give it three okay, but maybe biased.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
No, I like it. I like that. You guys are
much more. You guys are definitely much for a thoughtful
to night.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
No, no, you had a I was like, yeah, two
of them and.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
None of us were like why, We're like no, it
makes sense, okay, everyone else has kind of doing something
else anyway. Personality of the chef MA Cuisine, so Rennie
Harlan's style and how it's reflected in this fight experience.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
He blows up a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I mean, the key any characteristics through every film we've
seen is he likes to kill people hard. He likes
to drag out their deaths. And although Preacher doesn't die
in this sequence, if he were to die, this would
be a classic Renny death like chase down the corridor,
up the shelves, falls off the shelves, swims into the oven.
Oven's been filled with gas. It's a real like multiple

(20:25):
step process to killing the guy. So I you know,
not to swear on the decisions, but I think this
is a very rainy scene.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Yeah, I would basically agree, and so I would be
that beforeced. But I'd be happy to give this a
three stars because.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Renny and Cliffhanger there's a fight on the side of
a mountain on top of a helicopter. Yeah, that's a
die hard. They fight on the wing of a plane,
and this one they're fighting in a submerged kitchen. I
think Renny in Mind Hunters there's the underwater gunfight.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Like I think he likes to.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
He sticks to the tropes, but he also isn't content
with just he wants something different in his movie. Yes,
so I think this is very much so his personality
got a big explosion.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
The bird dies, the shark dyes, you know you got some,
you have some you know. Uh it's not even external
monologuing from Preacher, you know. But yeah, I would agree
that with you and Jay that there is a level
of complexity to the scene. Even however short it is,
it is quite being a complex And then I think

(21:39):
about like Cliffhanger when he kills leon On, like the
slagmite or the slag tite. I don't know which one.
I forget which one is whatever's up right exactly, whichever
one is like growing down tight? Yeah, and it's like,
who thanks of this stuff, my man, Rennie.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
You remember in Nightmare and Elm Street four there's a
lady who works out but then like and she makes
a reference to cockroaches and she hates bugs and she
works out.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
I remember this.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
So she's working out and then her arms snap and
then she becomes a cockroach.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Like on like a sticking pad or something like.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
That, and then she gets smushed and you're just it's
really gross.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
This is crazy, Rennie. Yeah, he just kills people so hard.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
So I have a question, guys, if Preacher died in
this scene, what would it look like? Because people die
really bad, Like Jim gets it bad.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
In this movie.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
I don't know if you know this, but Janie, when
they played this thing out, she's pregnant. There's a deleted
scene where she says she's pregnant.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Like the shark eats her but like grabs her like
between her legs and like drags her into the water
from the stomach.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Two for one. Yeah, it's horrible. Horrify dog has his
leg kick people birds so hard, So I think preacher
go down. Preachers.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
It's when he's in the oven is when he's the
most vulnerable. So the shark would like break the window
and get a limb, get a limb and take it
off or drag him out of the oven, and then
it would be kind of reminiscent of Skoggins. I guess
if the.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Shark locked him in with like a steel pipe.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
So that's the that's the part where it's like how
smart is this shark? Also, like do you want to
see like an llow cool j with like heat boils
as like the thing is turning on and like killing him,
you know what I mean, like at that point, right yeah,
or does he like you know, do an alien style

(23:37):
thing like like ape not Apone but the scaz and
like the weird Captain guy and he just turns the
lighter on and blows himself.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Up before he takes a shot out with him kind
of thing.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Exactly. Yeah, He's just like if I'm gonna go out,
I don't want any of these boils. I don't want
them to do special effects on me. I'm just gonna
blow myself up.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
This is going to be cheaper in the long run
for everyone.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, but I think like if if Ella could, if
Preacher were to to die in this scene here, I
think he deserves like a cool ending. It doesn't he
doesn't deserve like a oh the shark got him like offscreen,
like it's got to be like, you know, he either
hatchets his way into one of the gills of the
shark but he still gets killed, or yeah, like he

(24:20):
gets killed in the oven and goes out in a
blazing glory, or the worst way would just be like
he gets he gets fried alive as the shark literally
puts on a chef hat and you hear a date,
that's what I want, you want? You want this last
it puts a chef.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Hat on and takes a metal pole and locks him
in there, and then it just bubbles and boils.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
The shots are swimming back and forth checking the oven.
It's like lying on the floor like on Bake Off.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
He grabs it out and takes it the other shark.
And but as with some of the really reddy Harlan stuff,
like it's very po sold that this could be a
setup that they would do. It's quite complex and it's
like very wild.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
If you're gonna do it, do it, you know what
I mean, Like, don't don't sugarcoat it, so just cook them.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, I would agree. Yeah, I mean the shark seems
like it's also no nonsense, right, So like I know
I'm gonna kill you, I might just get in this
oven and then I'll have like, you know, a baked Preacher.
But at the same time, like I'll just I'll take
it as it comes.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Like baked Alaska, but like bad preachers.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
All right, Cobler there, Yeah, that's the hashtag for the episode.
I see now why you guys are co hosts oh Man.
Preach Cobbler.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
We need a we need a sticker, we need like
a shirt that's preach Cobbler on there. I love that
a lot. Okay, value for money, so like the fight
scene does it reflect the like Inspectors will consider whether
the like the price of admission reflects like the quality
of this scene.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
So, I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Think I got a lot more than my bargained for.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
When I watched this movie, I wasn't expecting epic kills
and kitchen fights, so the value is pretty good on this.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, I would I would agree.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Give this to other shot movies that we watched. This
has way you will coming on.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, Like stupid question. You go into a who's your
favorite director for the time.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
I mean the first thing that came in mind was
Steven Spielberg, but that's just because it first came to mind.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Like you go into a peak Steven Spielberg movie and
you get a great movie, You're like, I knew it right, Like,
so you going to Edgar Wright, Steven Spielberg, you know
there's quality. So you go in and you're like, this
was good, Like because it's great. It's these directors, so
you're not really surprised. But going into a deep blue
sea like Rennie coming off of Cutthroat Island, and you
don't know much about the cast, like it's coming out

(27:01):
in the summer. Yeah, and then this happens, Like everyone
in the audience was just screaming, like everyone was so
into this. So that's why I think the value like
the like if you go into like a restaurant that
you've never heard of, doesn't have the best reviews, but
you have the best mill every you're gonna be like,
holy mackerel because that's what you ordered, the holy mackerel.
My preacher, preach, Yeah, preachers, holy mackerel.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Preachers, holy mackerel, like holy preachers.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Holy guacamoly. You guys are making me hungry? Is this
is this about food?

Speaker 2 (27:34):
I mean today?

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Sure, it was like I could go for some black
right now, my whole I'm gonna give I'm gonna give
it three many of us three as well.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Me too, Yeah, because I need if you fetchure it in.
Just like the budget of making the film, Like, yeah,
it's an incredible film that they made for it was
like sixty million.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
I think that's that's nothing these days.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeah, but also again Mark, you've mentioned a couple of times,
like they sank a kitchen.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
It's a huge like the size of the shock is
to swimming around in this room. It's a massive kitchen.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
This sounds really dumb. But in Top Secret there's an
underwater bar fight.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yes, yeah, it's very funny.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
I love that someone wrote in a script underwater bar fight.
And then they're like, okay, now we got to pull
this off. So then they find a tank, they strap
tables of the ground, they get stunt men, they dunk
their actors into the tanks. There's probably scuba divers or
they go out of their way to film an underwater
bar fight. And I love that that went from script

(28:34):
to screen. So in this one, it's like, yeah, a
shark attacks a dude in a kitchen. It's like, all right, now,
we gotta build a kitchen. We gotta synk the kitchen,
we gotta like make it look good, make it interesting
like that. It just makes me happy that so much
effort was spent in a kitchen fight in a shark movie.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
I would agree. Yeah, And it seems as though again
very thoughtful uh not diorama, but like thoughtful production to
them that they were just like, let's let's do it
this way, because again, you could have just been like
he gets killed on the hallway of the of the
ship or of the of the station. It's like that's boring. Like, no,
he's a chef, he works in a kitchen, and let's

(29:16):
make this kitchen.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
I feel like they probably worked backwards from we're going
to blow the shark cup. How do we do that? Okay,
need gas with gas in the kitchen oven? Guy, I
guess in the oven. I think they reverse engineered it
from blowing the shark up. But there could have been
there were a lot easier, simpler, cheaper ways that could
have done it than this whole set up here, So yeah,

(29:39):
I appreciate that production value as well. Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Consistency between visits.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
So we've we've we've visited this fight scene many times
and to ensure the quality of it. Sometimes when you
watch a movie more than once, you're like, oh, I
didn't notice that the first Remember what I watched Inception
and I I loved it the first time, but I
watched it again, I'm like, this whole movie is just
explaining inception and dream logic. And then you watch it
a fourth time and you're like, this movie's just explaining

(30:09):
things the entire film.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
It doesn't I also love it, Like you know.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Fifty nine point four percent of the dialogue I actually
figured it out is used to like explain inception and
dream logic, and I love this.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
I love your math.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, and then I have a good uh Nolan questioned
thing coming up. I can't believe I know that, And
that's something I could just say to people, but I
love it, right.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
But yeah, So like you, sometimes the more you watch a.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Movie, the more you're like, Okay, I missed that the
first time around, But like, we've watched this a lot,
so it has it has it dipped in quality?

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Has it the quality remained the same? Abe?

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I don't know the first time when you watch this
film or what your history is with it, because we
just jumped into this, But the more you've watched it,
has it gotten worse better the same? How do you
how do what's the consistency?

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Yeah? I first watched this like in college, so it
was a while ago. But one of the things that
kind of stucks out to me about movies of this era,
or like older movies in general, is the practicality of things, right,
so practical practical effects, and or the way that they
have gone not above beyond, but like have gone to
great lengths to make it quite realistic.

Speaker 6 (31:17):
You know.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
A very comparable thing that I would say that deeply
she kind of has going for it is something like
the meg which is like, hey, like it's an underwater
like you know, research station. Obviously the sharks are much
different ones of Megaladon. One's like a great white with
you know, smarts, but as much as you can have

(31:40):
adjacent Statham be a scientist, a ripped alcoholic too, Yeah,
ripped alcoholic scientists may be muscle. He's he's fighting like
not real things versus like here. It's like, I think
you could argue that some sequences definitely look more then

(32:00):
other sequences. You know, the Samuel Jackson sequence is quite
it looks weird like on rewatch, But I would argue
that a lot of other things, like including the sequence
that we're talking about here, chapter seven Jean is looks
pretty practical, like the effects are on in camera. So
I do like that aspect of older films too. I

(32:21):
think the other thing that I like about older films
upon rewatch questions is that they explain things, but they
at least the writers or director were thoughtful on how
they were approaching the way that they explained things. Example
of this would just be raided as the last arc
where he's explaining, did you guys ever read the Bible?

(32:43):
And he's explained what the arc is and like this
is all exposition, but it's in a very interesting way.
And then movies, he's there's like, you know, if you're
gonna watch something, it's like, what was the thing about
the flex capacitor again? But it's like, oh, that's what
this thing is like, and then who are you again?
And then they say it like again, like a sequence later,
you're explaining things too much here, like you got it,

(33:04):
You're giving too much guidance here.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
And again Final Reckoning has an hour of that exactly.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
You're my brother.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
I've known for seventeen years. We grew up in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,
to Hank and Deborah in Patterson. He's a doctor, he's
a doctor. You and I both went to college at
the University Wisconsin. You failed out, yeah, told you failed out,
but then you went to but then you you found

(33:31):
your way later on when you moved to California.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
I stayed there, met a girl, had kids and a baby.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
And now we're not happy because I've just settled and
you're out here in California working with this robotics company
AI live in your dream. It's called Robotics Central.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Like you're just like, oh my gosh. Then and then
I jump in with like Mark, I know that it's
called AI Incorporated. Okay, I've been working there for five years.
My wife and kids never see me because I'm a workaholic,
and you know what, I love it. I do remember
all the years that I spent in Madison Wisconsin at
the University of was Or, Wisconsin. And it's just like,

(34:09):
why are you repeating all the same thing exactly what
Jay said? Like you say, you see a lot of
this like in some of like the more recent films
including Dead Reckoning Part two Slash Reckoning, But I I
kind of accepted it in that one just because they
had so much script read to do. But there are
some other movies that are much more clumsy about this.
So that that's my take, my long answer on your

(34:30):
question of like, when's the last time I saw them?
How do I feel about some of these things?

Speaker 2 (34:34):
But do you think it does hold up every time
you watch it consistency?

Speaker 3 (34:38):
It does because you know what the story is and
you know the beats are. But also again, they they
don't do anything out of the realm of unnecessity, if
that's even like a right phrase, because again, these sharks
aren't doing like, these sharks don't have a play of
like trying to take over the world, right. Yeah, they're
just they're they're super smart sharks, yeah, exactly, and they

(35:00):
just want to like get out of here because they
know that this is some sort of holding containment. But
that also speaks to if you want to go larger
themes that speaks like every creature wants to be free,
you know what I mean. So it's like, yeah, like
don't don't hold them back. But yeah, it does hold
up because you can you can believe it, and it
also has practical things that people are trying to do
to one stop it and then prevent like these other

(35:23):
sharks from getting out, but also save themselves. Right. So yeah,
Like I haven't seen any of the Shark NADOs series
and sounds like you guys are well versed in them,
but I'm sure that there are like some exceptions where
you're like this, what likes not that question? Like every
time you watch it.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, that's every five minutes. It's like wait what heck? No,
I just covered six of them with like Aaron was
on for.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
He was on for one of them.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, yeah that was there was a fun time going through.
But I'm not going to do that again. So yeah,
if that was a consistency of food for the short
eddo films, It'll pretaty get a one because I can't
see a little repeat body, But I've had this scene
just on repeat, this entire conversation, and I'm still find
myself just watching it instead of listening to you guys.

(36:11):
It's going to be a three for me.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah yeah, I mean, so what we have one two,
so let's just give it a two point nine.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yeah. I can do the math in there, but it
seems right. Yeah, I was the asshole that held out
on one of the stars. No, I like it because
just giving it three across the board is boring.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, because we have this film, this is podcast.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Now, this is the important question, Abe, Yes, is this
fight scene better? Is this kitchen fight scene better than
the fight scene in Kitchen Fight in Jurassic Park?

Speaker 3 (36:45):
I would argue to say yes. And it's not because
we're on this Well here's my here's my logic, and
it's not because I'm on this podcast. But there's, uh,
the stakes in this are I think that they're probably
relatively the same because it's about life and death situations
in both. But I like that this one actually plays

(37:06):
out a death even though it's you know, to the shark.
Like the Voss raptor in the kitchen sequence in the
Jurassic Park just gets frozen, right, I mean, it's gonna
be frozen for ever until they figure out how to
like take out pinlocks, or like some investigator is gonna
just the freezer be in for a big surprise.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
If at least put some tape on there and be like,
you don't open rapture inside.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, right, I'd love it if when Jurassic World came
along and the kids were like found the oppocility and
they got the torch and the bone, they went they
found the kitchen, open it and it's just like a
cry genically frozen raptor in there. That just kind of
comes out.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Great great, Yeah, but I will I will admit that
the Jurassic part sequence has much greater tension and is
a lot longer, so I appreciate it on that And
Steven Spielberg is like a master of you know, camera
set up and the way that it moves, because I
was shocked by you know, lex banging on like the
little stick or not a stick, but the ladle and

(38:12):
I was like, oh, okay, cool, Yeah, it's it's it's
a mirrored mirrored reflection tothing. But yeah, I mean, I
I like that this one actually has like a consequence
to it. So the two things die, the bird bird
and all their fruit supplies, and there's a great one liner,
you wait, my bird as he's like, I have a

(38:34):
lot of questions about it. So if you had pivoted
the if Jay had not clarified, and you had said,
like all the stuff, all the mission of Stars were
related to much more of just the preachers out of
this house, I'd be like, I don't know, I'd probably
give a zero to repeatability factor because it's just all
salt water. He can yeah, he can't kill Another shot

(38:55):
of him like throwing this later is like, it's crazy.
This is one of the.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah you wait, my bird gets it would have been
three on the dozenality because like preak out so much fersonality, doude.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Do movies get midway through lines like kill lines from
a side character, Yeah, even from main characters.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Like I know that the guy gets clever girl in
Jurassic Park because eaten.

Speaker 5 (39:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
So I don't think I've ever seen a halfway through
final line, if that makes sense, where like this is
something that probably should have been said at the.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
End, Yeah, because it's one I'm thinking about, like Diehard,
it's a great line. Oh yeah, But I also, like,
you know, I think about all those Arnold Shortstaker eighties
and nineties. Yeah, but they're they're not like final lines.
Like even like in something like Commando where he like
kills a guy in the airplaneses like, oh, don't bother

(39:52):
my friends here. It's like it's a good line, but
it's not great. And even when he kills Sell, he's like,
remember when I said I'd kill you last I lie.
These are good lines, but they're not like finally you
killed my bird, you know, like finalized like you know line.
So I'd have to think about this. This is a

(40:14):
good question mark.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
It's gonna be for sint where there's more than one killer,
more than one like main bad guy because you can't
kill him half way through.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
It's it's interesting, Yeah, both Jay, let's start a new thing.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
When does the kill line come? Oh? I like this
for you guys.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, I can do it.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
I won't let lump it on yours another spreadsheets. I
think Eddie Murphy's character from Bofinger would have loved this line.
Remember in bow Finger, he's fighting a guy named Cliff.
He's like watching watch your back, Cliff, and then Cliff
falls off a cliff. He's like it's too cerebral. Like
he's like everyone's getting good lines, but this is this
one's no good. So I think I think.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
You ate my bird is not too cerebral. Just ate
his bird cliff.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
He's fallen off a cliff. It's too cerebral.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Oh man, I love that movie so much.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
The fingers pretty good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yeah, but so you said you saw this in college,
but so you rented it right or were you?

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Did you go to the theater? Definitely was not theaters
for me, like because it would have been after because
I started college after this came out. So it's probably
one of those like have you guy seen Lucy kind
of things, like no, I've never seen it. And it's
like this is this is ridiculous, like a shark that's
super smart, you know, like I definitely did not see

(41:37):
this in theaters.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Awesome, And then uh, Jay, you have anything about the
conversation in the beginning with Rapaport or Jackson or I
like that. I like Rappaport's button switching by flipping because
that does nothing.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Just pressing random buttons and switches nothing.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah, he's the hit those.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
He's Steve mcqueeney just keeping his hands busy. That's what
he's doing exactly. Yeah, like a wrap queen, like Russell
says like someone's got a better idea. We have to
swim out of here, and then you cut to someone
with a better idea, a better idea of kill the sharks.
M So that's that's a nice little like go from

(42:16):
scene to scene.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Uh would they look pretty dry?

Speaker 2 (42:21):
The people that Susan and Janie look like they have
been wet and dried, But the other like Russell and
Scoggins especially, it just seemed like they're dry. And they
were just in a corridor that was full of water,
like a couple. So I'm just wing. How how long
have they been wandering around? They went around for like

(42:41):
enough time for their clothes to dry off.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Maybe maybe the heat is still working in the in
the station.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Maybe yeah, they walked through some steam in the last
in the last chapters. Maybe it was like a real quick.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
I did notice wrinkles on their clothing.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
So I'm wet and I'm miserable, but there's no wrinkles
in my.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Clothes at least. It's now just like a cool warm
versus just like gross weat.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
But you know, most aquariums, like most water things, they
do get quite like humid and hot. So maybe yeah,
this maybe that's that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
One of my favorite all time jobs.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
I worked at the Georgia Aquarium and I was doing
an MBA ad and I was up with the whale sharks.
So I went behind the scenes into the facility and
I stood by the tank with the whale sharks and
they were just swimming by me by like a couple
of feet while I was dealing with all the lights
and setting up all the lights. And so I got
to hang out with whale sharks right.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
The tired day.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
But it was pretty peaceful sharks. Probably one of my
best working days that I had set. Yeah, it was
very hot up there. That's why I'm saying it can get.
It got a little humid.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Yeah, I have a question for you guys for this
scene in particular, but also I guess for the movie
Rapper or facial hair versus Samuel L. Jackson facial hair
both character both are you know characters Slash Samuel Jackson
has been leading to but not a lot official hair
in their in their filmographies. I mean, Michael Reapper are
probably much more, but Sam Jackson here, It's like, I'm curious,

(44:12):
like what you guys think about the facial hair situation
in this movie.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
I think it makes him look older.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Which I think sex well.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, which works well for his character. You know, he's
got some of the great tough scoing on the gray,
which makes sense because he's like he's the oldest of
boss guys. That adds that level of seniority in the
facial hair wis.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
I don't like anything about Scuggins just in general, so
that any facial areas.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
It's a good looking beard though that Jackson has.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah, it's nice.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yeah, it gives him some Yeah, I guess it does
kind of give him nice authority. He doesn't diet, he
doesn't look like Eminem. Yeah, died beard is insane.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Sorry, Oh yeah, it is quite Uh you do point
out quite immediately. No, No, it looks good.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
But I mean I think that's I feel like Michael
Rappaport was born with a goatee.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Yeah, I know that he hasn't had it in some
of this stuff, but every time I think about him,
like in Metro or something. Actually I can't remember he
has went in Metro, but it's kind of like rules.
I'm talking about that tomorrow on movies. Yeah, Michael Wincott
is he's in that movie? Yeah, oh Tahiti. Sorry, another

(45:31):
Eddie Murphy movie. Another Murphy movie. Yeah, San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Wincott should have been in this movie.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
That would be, that'd be that'd be interesting when like wing.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Cat and all the like, uh man, who's the guy
from the mast that was the villain's.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Robert Dove put him in here.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Just put all the villains from the nineties and have
like deep blue sea prison.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Like it actually be great because Winktt is such like
a powerful voice that the shark it it doesn't even
use like some sort of I don't know if sharks
even have a location. It's more like a whale and
bad thing. But like because of his base, like it
creates ripples in the water so the shark can figure
out like where he is and that's how he dies
in this movie. Michael, shut up what I don't know

(46:17):
what's going on? Yeah, it's like, oh no, the shark
is here, just bloody murdering. A question for you guys
as well. Now I have a movie in my head
that that needs that exists, so thank you for that.
But no, I would I would put Sam Jackson's facial
hair well ahead of wrap reports in this one. Okay,
I feel like they're kind of the same there. I

(46:39):
feel like rapp Report with facial hair kind of makes
him this is not a disc but it makes him
look smarter.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
So he's trying, you know, he like he's trying to Yeah. Yeah,
he's using the facial head to try and to pay
competently exactly.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
This is like the equivalent of having some Bond girls
with like glasses and just like, oh, he's just a scientist. Yeah,
but Michael, I have a board. Oh he's playing a
smart guy right now, he's got.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
What if every I have a question, very serious question.
Every male actor in this film has a go tea,
except but like, how many years would it take?

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Though?

Speaker 1 (47:12):
So let's say every male actor had a go tea?
How many years do you think it would take for
you to notice that trend in this movie or throughout
the Let's say, for every Thomas Jane has a Carter
Blake go tee, Jim has a go tea, even the
guys in at the beginning of the movie. I don't

(47:34):
think I would have figured out until like someone like
you guys this podcast would be like, did you you
guys notice that there was every everyone is wearing a
go tea in this movie, like they are.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, the first time round when we did this, did this,
this chapter chapter, I didn't have a bid And now
I so this film was rubbing off on me.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
There you go, all right, so there, all right. So
I think it would take me at least I would
have to read on IMDb and.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
It'd be like and without the whole time exactly.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
It just guys, just say this A couple of questions
for you guys here. One of them is that preacher
in the oven. He uses a little hatchet, and I
had a question for you guys from a practicality standpoint.
The gases on the door is closed. He's kind of

(48:31):
like coughing because the gas is on. He uses a
metal item, a sharp metal item, to hack onto the
roof of a metal oven. Would this have caused some
sort of spark situation?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
I think there is a chance it would have. But
it seems like a pretty thin oven ceiling. It does
the right watch.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
The oven much into my liking for the price point, I'm.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Sure so I feel like there's enough it gives just
just like a net. I feel like when you hit
it with the acts just kind of gives a little bit,
So you don't need the spark, But I do feel
like there was a chance if you would have hit
it like sideways, kind of like skim it, then he's
asking for trouble.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Then it'd be like day time. I mean exactly, there
are chefs who are renowned for their knife skills. Mm hmmm.
So maybe he just knows the contact. Oh sure, good,
good point. He brings his profession into into the into
the situation.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
If this was the worst movie in the beginning wrap
Upskoggins would have been like Preacher, how do you learn
those awesome knife skills where you can hit stuff and
create no sparks?

Speaker 3 (49:38):
There's are there are, there's are exactly. That's our point
that we were making earlier. So related to this, the
gases on He jumps out, he lights his lighter, the
room does not explode. He has to throw it in

(49:59):
a cool sat arm way first. Would the lighter have
would the gas have already filled up enough of the
of the area to have just killed them all?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
This is not specially like slow emanating kind of.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Get exactly because yeah, because you know, thinking about like
a child's bay situation from like nineteen eighty nine or
whatever like that guy gets healed pretty quickly, even though
the gas has only been on for like two seconds.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
So so natural gas. I don't know, it's tends to
I'm reading this. It floats, so it rises. Okay, so
maybe since it hasn't been going on that long, it's
kind of just gone up.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
So at his lengthy lights it. Since everything is rising.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
To the soul, he throws to the oven where it's
at water level.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
So it disperses upward. Yeah, and it hasn't had a
chance to fill in the room yet.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yeah, it's perfect.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
I give it. I give it that level of greedence.
You know what, Preacher, all this gas, it just rises
to the ceiling.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Oh don't worry about that. I got a vent that
takes everything out. You just don't see it.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Oh okay. Cool is a chef and this is his domain.
So yeah, you're into something here.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
We just need more expository dialogue to explain every single
thing that happens later in this movie. Just a deleted
scene of twenty minutes in this.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
And then my last question for this particular sequence is
the shark is a smart shark? Yeah? Would it have
just been smarter for the shark to just be like,
I'm just gonna wait you out, Like I'm just gonna
swim backwards a little bit, and I know that you
have to come out sometime and once you do your
toast literal.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah, I mean we get to the end of it,
we go to the end of the film. Susan's like,
here's a smart animal, but you're still just an animal.
So the shots called it's blood lost up. It's it's
kind of passed on from smart mode into kind of
eat this guy mote. So yeah, it's it's it's seeing red.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
I like, eat this guy mode. It's an eat this
guy mode. It's eat this Okay, You've been really hungry
and you're eating and then you kind of look up
and you're like this is all gone.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Like I wonder what I looked like every day. I
just want to know what people saw in the restaurant
of you just engulfing all of the food, like not
even breathing or finishing chewing before each bite. You're just
in it. So I kind of think maybe that's its
mode right there.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
I I, okay, I give you guys that I think
that it is, and kind of just like I've locked in.
I'm trying to get this guy. It's it's over him.
It's pretty new at it too.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Like remember in Blue Ruin when Making Blair goes on
a revenge mission.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
It just ends horribly because he's just bad at it.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
But these sharks are smart, but they've never engaged in
kitchen fights, so they're kind of rain. Yeah, they're they're they're.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Like new at this too. Okay, yeah, all right, that's
that's fair. I guess that makes sense of why he's
like trying to bash the the oven door in because
you know, he's new. He doesn't understand.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
It as a bouncer who saw a lot of fights.
They're ugly, So I mean this is pretty much how
you know, even if it's super smart, it's gonna look
not great fighting.

Speaker 8 (53:17):
M h.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
I guess it's it doesn't immediately get fighting skills. It's
not like the Matrix movie. Oh my, yes, in line.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
With each other, We've got a question for you. I
don't know where Jay begins and I what are your
full show movies?

Speaker 3 (53:36):
This is a hard question. I have not thought about this.
It's okay, so a number four. I want this to exist.
It doesn't exist. Can I name one. Yeah, just nineteen
part two like that. I want that one to exist
because it seems like it's like four D, like in
a way that is like pretty four D. So futures

(53:58):
analogy has not been able to create that one just yet. Yeah,
just nineteen is one of them. Have you seen Shark
in Venice? No, but you're intriguing me quite a bit.
You need to watch.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
You must you must watch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just do it.
It'll change your life, truly will that's not an exaggeration.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Okay, let me see here.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Jay preacher, Wait, preach cobbler, preach cobbler, Holy preachers, Holy mackerel.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Preachers, holy guacamole.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Preaches, holy cheese. Uh uh.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
This the leftocrodic zoo that has it's like it's very
special kind of shark. Right, It's like it's a different
kind of jaguar, sho jaguar because his son and you know,
it's got a very I bending it's kind of said,
let me see here. I wonder if it remembers me

(55:05):
or I hope it remembers me. Yeah, what what do
I have? An ornament of the jaguars shark?

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Well, yeah, I have Wait, where is my where's my
I have Steve know Him that my wife painted. I
also have like a bunch of I have a bunch
of Steve z s Art in my room, the Wall
of West.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
I call it the Wall of West. I enjoy that.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Little Concerned that you can't name your top two shock.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
I'm looking for this one. There is there's very like specific.
I'm making a specifical requirement of myself, which is to
not name the most famous one. I will name Finding
Nemo as well, because of their oath. But then I

(55:54):
love the way that it smells blood and just all
of a sudden snaps. Yeah he's hard, but you know
he's a nice guy, but he gets to know him.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
That's the film that my wife and I will often
just quote the entire thing.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Oft A DVD had a fish tank that I thought
was awesome, and I don't have that DVD anymore, which.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Is kind of a bummer.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Wise, I used to love putting that fish tank on.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah that's great.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Just said the deist's office.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Yeah yeah, there's a screen.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
I go on YouTube and I put on just I
don't like the ocean ones by find someone who just
film their fish tank for two hours and I'll put
it on.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
I just like fish tanks.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
And lastly, I will name a terrible movie, but I
will I'm naming it specifically because the writer, Scott Ackerman,
just has fun with it all the time. Yeah, he's
he just named it. He just name checked it recently
in an episode of Family Trips with the with the
Meyers Brothers where his parents watched it with him, and

(57:01):
he was very proud of having written on that movie.
And then he looks over his dad, and his dad says,
I guess that was it, all right?

Speaker 2 (57:12):
You are the second person of his son, the second
person to name Sharkdale in the top four, but the
first to admit that it's a bad film.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
I admit that it's a film too. If we were
to watch it'd be like.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Are you sure it's not it's not great? Uh.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
But I actually tried to stay away from like the
well known ones. Sure that's actually the most listened to
deep Blue. See episode of the last year Shark Tale,
Shark Tale.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
No way, Okay, Yes that's me and me and Emily
who actually her episodes do well because she was on
the Ghost Shark and Shark in Venice episodes and like
some of my ones as well.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Ghost Shark.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Ghost Shark is great. You gotta watches.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
That's a great teditle. I hope that there's like a
sequence like can ghost Ship where it's just like everyone dying.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
No, it is just a ghost as a shark that
can inhabit any body of water because it's a ghost,
and that it includes a slip and slide and a toilet.
It's a delight, very well enjoyed, but not made. Yeah,
it's a good time. Well, I mean that, I think,
thank you for your list. It's been added to the spreadsheet.

(58:18):
You the first person say Jews nineteen, but not not
the rest of them.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Congratulations, I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Did you have any other notes on this chapter or
the film as a whole.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
I think my other notes on this chapter were just
there was a continuity thing that I noticed, which is
the shark breaks the glass at one point, and then
it goes back and it doesn't the glass has not
been broken, and I was just curious as to like, well,
you know, that's a that's a weird thing, but you
know you keep it in because you keep it in.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
And then the other part of it was just everything
I asked you guys about which it's like, what do
you feel those that things would have sparked where things
would have done. But the movie as a whole, it's
actually a pretty entertaining movie. I would recommend it to
people to go check out in large part because, Yeah,
the premise is something that I hadn't seen in a while,

(59:11):
which is a smart shark. Right. You know, you see
shark movies like The Shallows or Jaws or whatever. You
it's like a shark that just like wants to get
its prey or something has happened to it. I think
it's more interesting like when you think about like Jaws
two and Jaws three and just four where it's like
it's the son of or the daughter of the other
shark that's like coming back for this private detective or something.
There's like a weird like blood few that the shark remembers.

(59:33):
But like this movie here is like any concept. I
make fun of this all the time on out now
with their name where it's like the sharks they can
swim backwards. So it's pretty clever. Yeah, but it's clever
on that front, and I like that it's pretty contained
in what it's doing. The actually givenss are fun too,
and they use a lot of the things that are

(59:54):
available to them. And then obviously you know the Russell
Franklin of everything. Everyone has made fun of it all
the time, so it's quite memorable in I don't know
if you guys would define this as perhaps like in
the cult status of things. I don't know yet, but
it certainly has, like I think, lived beyond what they

(01:00:15):
initially were hoping that it could live on too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
The nice thing about shark movies they're so infrequent in theaters.
There's a lot of them on sci fi, but whenever
there's the best new shark movie coming out, they're like, oh,
we gotta do a list, and so Deep Blue c
is more often than not in the top ten. And
then when they're like best surprise Deaths of Cinema, Sam
Jackson's death is on there. So I think it stayed
alive just by being a good shark movie that makes

(01:00:40):
the top ten in most lists. And then it also
has some really good kills like the surprise kills, which
keep it en liss So I don't think it's I
don't know if there's a massive cult on because you know,
it did well, it made a lot of money well
on DVD. Yeah, it's remembered, so it's like, you know,
it did well enough so people didn't have have to

(01:01:00):
like like you know when movies tank and they're like,
we gotta rally around this movie to kind of, you know,
get an audience. Like it has an audience, so I
think it it has it too, yeah, and like like
people the second time going through it, but no, I
think I think it it doesn't have a like a
super loyal cult audience because everyone's like, yeah, I like

(01:01:21):
this movie, so it's you don't really have to defend
it too much, and like it did well and it's
generally looked at as a good movie. So it's like,
does that make sense? I feel like cult films people
rally around those movies.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Yeah, like they kind of had like a poor outing
to begin with, and they kind of like, you know, again,
Aaron and I love the FP. Not it hasn't really
caught on yet in terms of cult status, but hopefully
it gets there when it But you know, like Rocky
Horror or even The Room.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Room, Yeah, it's like this isn't there yet, but I
think people love this film.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
So it's there's plenty of people.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
I mean, people give me a lot of looks with
my bumper sticker that I have.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Have you seen my bumper sticker? No, I've never. Oh
it's not on your car. Yeah, my wife has it
on hers too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
He sent me a couple as well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Watching that. I managed to be deeply sea stuck.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
That's on my truck and my wife has it and
it smiles. You know, people like will take photos of it.
I'll just like look at my roovie mirror and someone's
taking a photo of it, or they're following me because
like it's private detective or like from sharks.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
But you know, like it's the sharks can drive Now,
I can drive backwards. The sharks can drive backwards. Wait,
the sharks can drive Wait a shark is in a car. Wait.
I feel like you guys have a movie script brinted together.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Working your way back from a shark can drive backwards?

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Would be Wait.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
It does have a cult breathing apparatus, like what's what's happenings?

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
It made one it's mission an impossible final reckoning style.
It made a breathing app and it knows how to
to breathe outward to get back into the ocean.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Transmission beat me to it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
No, it actually it's still on a vehicle that's fully filled.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
A keyless entry, you know, like I mean, we do
talk about this in the chapter where the show came
down from Baja. From kidding, we have done this already anyway,
thank you for joining us. Do you have anything you
want to plug work in the listeners find you?

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Yeah, check out the out now with Thirnad podcast. We're
available wherever you get your podcasts. Give us some feedback.
We always love doing that, and if you check out.

Speaker 8 (01:03:41):
Our feedback, sorry, but if you want to interact with us,
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Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
But yeah, thank you both for him you on. This
has been a pleasure. This is great. We came up
some all timer lines for Deep Blue Sea. I like
the hashtag you might use that J came up with.
That's the name of the title for sure. Okay, Preach Cobbler.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
With every Deep Blue Sea episode we name it something
funny from the episode, so this will be I like
Preach Cobbler a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
It's terrible Forcio, but we don't care. It's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
I like preachers, Holy Mackerel.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
I want to we need deeply see recipe book.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
It's just on that actually might be great.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Yeah, we should do an episode about that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Okay, sounds good.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Listeners, you can follow this podcast whatever social media at
Deep Blue Sea Pod. Find everything I do ever life
as this film dot com, everything Mark does, every movies,
filmsinflicks dot com. I also, I think the week this
comes out or the week after, I should be on
out Now with RNA because there's a new Jurassic World
film coming out. Yeah, back on, contractually obligated to do that,

(01:04:58):
and I'm fine with that. I also probably on the
lamcast this weekend. Who knows what other goes, because that's
what happens when Jurassic pop films come out. And uh yeah,
any of the folks, if you listen to Deep Blue Seas,
if you listen to out Now with Aaron and Abe
the way.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
They say deep Blue Sea, the podcast is like that.
Aaron always does a nice little uh podcast between those.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
And ellipses, maybe even double ellipses. I want one day
for him to wait like two minutes, and then I
think the listeners would turn it off. There's a problem
with the show.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Mark Mark thinks it's funny, but you know all the
listeners don't, which is yeah, no news.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Yeah, we can check mack out on a bunch of
Comu trees on out now as well.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Yes, yeah, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
The National Highway Transportation Safety Agency a us A department
of the US government hired me to write short episodes
for them about Superman if he's sped on land as
fast as speeds in the air.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
And then uh, Johnny Storm if you drives. I put
Johnny Storm in a rainstorm driving a geostorm. I explained, Joe,
what would happen if you do that fast in a rainstorm?
So I have a couple just very random things I
get tasked. So those are coming out, but I'm kind
of proud of those because they like them a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Great. I have nothing to add to that. That's a
perfect storm of things cool anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
So sorry, I think Starrying draw Butler geo Storm.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Yes, absolutely so that will do it for Deeps one
chapter seventeen. Dive two next week will be either Pirana
two or Dangerous Animals or some of the shark or
aquatic animal film could be fair below the schedules up
in there at the moment. One of those will be
next week. Find out next week, I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
But as for.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Deeps one, Chapter seventeen, Dive two, thank you once again
to our guest Abe Moore, Thank you birth I have
been Jake LeWitt, Mark Offmer and we'll deep Blue see
you next week