Episode 238 (Piranha II: The Spawning

They fly now!? Jay is joined by James Cameron correspondent Heather Baxendale-Walsh (@headertime1981 on Instagram) for Piranha II: The Spawning, in which a beach resort in a world without bras is set upon by genetically modified flying piranha! On this episode they talk about live fish hiding in dead bodies, Lance Henrikssen being a cool boat cop, and a mother and son being way too close.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, and welcome to Deep Blue sy the podcast. I
am Ja Clewer.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
On this show, we've been through the entire Deep Blue
Sea trilogy, scene by scene, doing it again, but also
talking about some Deep Blue Sea adjacent films. That's films
director by Renny Harland featuring sharks are quiteit action. This
is the second part in our latest aquatic creature feature franchise,
which is Pirana to the Spawning. What is Pirana to
this sprning? What it is the sequel to Prana. This

(00:40):
is kind of directed by James Cameron, not to a point.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
It stars Trish O'Neill, Steve Marrichuk.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
And the Great Lance Henrickson and a bunch of other
people playing minor characters of utterly no consequence in the
end of the film. It's what's the plot of the film.
It does kind of pick up at the end of
the first one where there's modified Pirana out and about
that it can survive in any kind of environment, but
only aquatic in the past. Now it turns out they've

(01:09):
got wings, they can fly, and no addition to the
Piranha mythology, And there's a Caribbean resort, the Hotel Asium
in a world in which bras were not invented, where
just people were having a wonderful time assigning themselves on
on boats and the beaches in the pool side until

(01:30):
you know a bunch of Prana's attack and hilarity in us.
So as this is a kind of James Cameron film,
there is only one person we could possibly have on
to talk on the show, to talk about. She is
our resident James Cameron next. But she joined us for
the Abyss.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
She'll come.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
She's done us for Avatar The Way of Water. She'll
be back for Titanic at some point soon. It's Heather
Backs and oh Heather, welcome back to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Hi Jay, I'm so excited to be here for this
James Cameron ish movie.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Me too, Me too.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
It's I mean, I hadn't seen this film before. I
didn't know anything about it other than I only I've
only seen like the latter half of the Pan franchise
before going into this, so I had no idea what
to expect this one. But are you familiar with these films?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Any of the.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Pana same thing?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Like, Over the years, I've seen bits and pieces of
all of them just by proxy of it being on
television or friends watching them or me just putting one on.
But I did watch this one, and it's entirely at
least I think I did. I'm going to say that
I did when I was in college and I was
working at Blockbuster because James Cameron.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Was adjacent to it and he was not the what
was it like three directors.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
I think he started out doing it and was it
depends on where you look, but he was either fired
or he.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Left because of the producers.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Were like putting in too many requests. This is like
an Italian production with American actors and a Canadian director,
so it's an international international work and not everyone got
along very well. And Cameron, as you'll know, is is
the bit of a headstrong guy, can be a bit

(03:06):
he knows what he wants to do.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
He's the king of the.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
World though he is though ye feel you can feel
part that are there are parts of it that are
better than other part?

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah, he's the kind of guy who he's
hard to argue with when he when he knows what
he wants because he's been quite successful when he's executed
what he wants to do.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yes, we haven't done anything up to this point. I
think he did like one short at this point.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
After this he goes on to write Rambow two. This
is still very much early stages and like pre pre Terminator, Yeah,
his career, and.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
I don't I don't recall having a great reaction to
it either.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
I just remember when anyone brings it up. Piranha movies,
I take a lot. I the one thing I did forget,
and I don't know how. Probably I was probably allegedly
smoking reefer at the time. I'm I mean, I was
like nineteen, but not that there's anything where I was
smoking reefer smoking reefer folks.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
But but I don't remember them flying Parana, and I
don't know. Oh, I could have forgotten it because when
it came up, I'm like, what what?

Speaker 5 (04:15):
This was not as bad of a B movie as
I thought it was for the most part, though it
had a lot of those B movie elements, but I
was not.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Expecting the flying Piranha. I'm like, you know what, this
might not have been durable if they didn't make them fly.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
I mean, I, like I said, I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
I put the DVD in and the DVD menu screen
has like a Pirana with like big side fins, and
I'm like, they look like kind of wings. It's like,
it's odd picture to pick. Okay, maybe these things can fly,
and yes, they can fly great. But we had todd
On for the first So have you seen the first
panana film?

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Jo same thing, though it's been so many years, sure
pieces of it don't entirely remember it.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Okay, So we had todd On to talk about that
that one a few weeks ago. And our main kind
of problem with that is the deaths are all kind
of the same. There's only so much you can do
with a pirana. It's just like you know, the little fish.
They're gonna nibley. People are gonna like thrash into water
a little bit and then they ereither die or they don't.
And this one we have a similar problem. The deaths

(05:18):
are all kind of the same. But it's these are
vampire flying fish. They just go straight for the throat.
They just go out of the sea and get people
in the neck every time.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
All of them they have great aim.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
They must have brilliant eyesight or or sense of smell
or something like.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
There's a bit at the end when the dynamite fisherman
Gabby when he's been taken out with fish. I think
he's great. They were like eight of them, all going
for his neck at the same time. It's like we're
I'm a Shakespearean raff of Piranha.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
It's so ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
But he just stood there.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
He was like smoking a cigar and like doing this
like bad a look.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
And then they just like you said, they just came.
There was like three of them. They came right for
his neck.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
It was like batting away like their moths.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
But they're fish.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
They're giant they're not giants, vampire flying fish.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yes, it's nonsense.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
Goodness, the whole thing is nonsense. It's true.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
True.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
As I had heard, this film didn't have that great
of a reputation, like James Cameron has basically like disowned
it essentially, like he considers The Terminatress his first film,
which you know, he left his project all the halfway through.
He allegedly broke into somewhere to try and steal the
the footage to re edit it himself. But that's never never,

(06:42):
that's not the version we saw is not the James
Cameron editor, which you can tell because it's kind of incoherent.
It jumps around a lot of different people, a lot
of different places.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
It's nice.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
I would pay so much money to see the James
Cameron version if he had a budget too, And he
had a budget, could you imagine there would be a
lot It would be a lot bluer for you.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
I think, Jay, Sure, that's that's that's fine.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yes, agreed, Because when when this film starts and it's
like we're underwater, like, yes, great, immediately.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
We're here, we're off and there's there's you know, there's
wreck diving, there's.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
The pirana, like there's like four canisters of piranha eggs
or something. We're on this military boat that's sunk and
that's where the purana have come from. Sure, fine, it's
it's barely mentioned. That got over it.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
That's just the main name. You've got to blow up
the boat. That's where the problem. Blow the boat. It's great.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
But yeah, there's there's a lot of underwater stuff, and
I think Karen would have done more. This is maybe
where he fell in love with it, or maybe that's
why he got the job.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
I was thinking, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (07:44):
Yeah, it must have sparked his interest in in water.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
I mean, I would think so at least filming it,
because some of the shots, especially in the beginning, are
pretty good considering the timeline.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
I think this is eighty one. It came out birthday year.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
He made it for me, he did not, But but yeah, some.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
Of the that's true. See we're probably connected and he
just doesn't even know it. It's true, it's true. But yeah,
he's in the world.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
But some of the underwater shots are actually pretty good,
and a lot of them, like, there are some that
give me, like the the rusted out boat and the holes,
I'm like, oh, this gives me Titanic vibes. But but yeah,
I mean there's there's there's a lot of also a
lot of the tints and the hues overall, like that

(08:35):
bluish gray and and kind of darkness that he has
to a lot of the color of a lot of
his films, especially his earlier films. I felt I saw
on this too. And then and then some of the
character stuff, I felt like, Okay, there there are these
side characters that we we didn't really care about at
the end, but but in the beginning some of them
were at least interesting, They are at least entertaining to me,

(08:59):
And and he always does that really well in his films.
I use him as an example all the time. I'm like,
if you you have side characters and James Cameron film,
you usually either you either know their name even if
they've had one line, or you remember them on some level.

Speaker 6 (09:13):
Yeah, and and and most.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Of the side characters in this I actually remember. And
I said, they're going to stand Lance Henrikson.

Speaker 6 (09:20):
Ne guy looks like so much like Leance Hendrix said.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Oh my god, it's Leance Henrickson. Of course it is.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
He pops in this. He is great as he's a
he's a cool boat cop.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
He actually was.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
He was all right.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
I mean, I definitely was getting Jaws vibes a lot.
Sure there was there was a lot of Jaws influence.
But he's I think he's the first like real character
re set. And then he sees our buddy with the dynamite.
By the way, I love learning new things.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
Is dynamite fishing a real thing?

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, absolutely it is.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
I think I think it's illegal in most places, but yes,
if you throw dynamite in the water, it will I
think it stuns fish and like they float to surfer
is either dead or just just like knocked out and
you go and scoop him up and then you go fish.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Oh my god, it's not good for the environment.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Okay, I hope so, But at the same time, I'm
still a little bit shocked.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
I think people don't feel like ice fishing as well.
It's just like they throw the diamond out and it
blasts a hole in the ice and then kills.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Some fish underneath it.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
I've never I've gone fishing once and I caught no fish,
So I'm not an expert on this. My dad, we're
like a group thing and my dad caught a mackerel
and another kids stole it. That's fine, yeah, I know,
and cool, someone stole my dad's fish. It's fine. Yeah,
So donald fishing exists. Don't do it, people, because like

(10:47):
I feel like the Gabby is the dynamite fisherman and
his son has like hearing impairment.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
I think I feel like you should have made it clear.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
This is what caused them, So don't do it.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Also, he was so super passive about it, Like I thought, Oh,
this dude isn't some deep water here. He is in
some trouble and he shows up and he's like, yeah,
it's all right, bro, Just go on about your day.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Hendrickson like shows up like yellow, you're gonna lose that boat,
and then no, they're just mates and he, like the
fisherman throws a stick of dynamite at his friend.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
As you do you do. Yeah, it was it was
like pretty close.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
But all of these characters at the beginning were all
they're all just caricatures, and some of the actors playing
them are So that's interesting to look at.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yes, yes, so okay, let's let's let's do a little
run run through of the supporting characters who are not
important at all to the film, but they drag it
out to ninety minutes long. So yeah, we've got the
dynamite fisherman and his son. We've got uh the hotel
guesses many is that there's the couple who are on
their honeymoon who will only do things that are like

(12:05):
included in the cost of their modified be package, who
like so they're like, come for breakfast, like his breakfast included,
and it's like, yes, it's what that is.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
I hated these.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Meet my parents that would have been my parents on
a vacation like that, that would have been my dad.

Speaker 7 (12:28):
They're invited to this big fish fry event. There's like
the main, the main, the showcase of the whole hotel's
calendar year, and like, is it included? I mean, we're here,
but we're not going to like your honeymoon. But yes,
it is included anyway.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
And so the the man dies in the in the
climax of this, but the lady doesn't. Then there's the
two friends, one of whom wants to marry a doctor,
one of who wants to marry a lifeguard. Beverly character
Beverly and I think Sydney might be the other one.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
I'm not sure. Beverly wants to marry a doctor.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
So she and sit near at breakfast and they hear like, oh,
there's a phone call for a.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Doctor or something, and she's like doctor.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
And she turns around and there's this guy with hinged
sunglasses which he flips up and the endemics the little
squeaky hinge noise that she can hear from across the room,
and she's like, oh, he's gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
I must marry him. And he's not.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
He's just like no guy, he's just a doctor.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Like later, she then pretends to be drowning so he
can come and save her. And he comes and saves her,
you know, to his respect, you know, he does. He
gets up and.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
I was giggling when he was taking off his shirt
to save her.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
He's on the beach wearing a shirt but also a
robe over the shirt to take them both off and
gets into the water but carries her out and she's like.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Go get you to the hospital. And she's like, but
you're a doctor's I'm not a doctor. You're not a doctor. No,
I'm a dentist. Dead and then they fall in love
because he's a dentist.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, and that whole bit I actually enjoyed.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
It ends up being so funny. It's silly, it's funny.
It made me laugh. It made me laugh, So that's
a win.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
And come the end, when all the end, this film
ends with a bunch of pranas attacking people. That's how
you as you'd expect. They're just like in their room,
you know, hanging out. Nah, I got a I got
Beverly in here.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
We're good and she basically saved his life.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Meanwhile, Beverly's friend wants to get a live guard. There
is a lifeguard, but who has the hearts of the
lifeguard Randy. Old missus Wilson's the old lady on the beach.

Speaker 6 (14:40):
She's scary.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
She scared me. She scared me a little bit now
how aggressive she was. But everything else.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
I mean, she is like height aggressive because she's just
lying on the beach in the morning and he walks
past and she grabs him by the m of his shorts.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yes, that's that's that's a little bit too far, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
And she put it out a little bit forward, just
a little bit. There was there was there was non
consensual for sure. She was wearing blue eyeshadow un ironically, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yep, she made that choice that morning, probably every morning.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
And yes, she's she's not subtle in what she wants
to do to him. And it doesn't work as he's
not interested, because he ends up with the other lady
in his room and like, you know, missus Wilson goes
to his room and like, oh, lifeguard guy, you know,
I bought some champagnes and oysters.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
They're an afrodisiac.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
And then naked lady comes out of the room behind
him and she's like, oh, walks off dejected, never see
them again.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Also, so many boobs. This was like an Asylum movie.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
There were so many, so well, this is this is
a sequel to a Roger Corman film. It's not a
Roger Corman film, but it's it's in the same kind
of realm, and Roger Corman famously has his role. Like
every ten minutes, you've got to have either nudity, an
explosion or a death of some kind I think, or
a car chase, and you can basically you can set
your watch to them. Sometimes the first Barana does that is.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Just keeping pace with one then.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Pretty much yeah, like there's there's.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Boobs in the first two and a half minutes with
a couple, which just these films also always seem to
start with just the dumbest people alive. Like the first
film starts with there's a couple out hitch hiking or
out hiking in the woods and they find an abandoned
water feet like treatment plant. Hey, let's go skinny dipping
in here.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
He deserved to die, and they do. They get eaten
by fish.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
And this time around we have this couple who like
she's really into it, he's quite reluctant. It's like he's
not feeling it. They're out on a boat in the
little water, and it turns out what he's not feeling
is going down and having sex in a shipwreck underwater
without wearing any masks. And but they, hey, they go down,
they do that, they take their masks off, She cuts
off his aunt, his swimming like chinks and then they

(17:03):
can eat my fish. Because I can't imagine anyone less
romantic than a shipwreck underwater.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yeah, I can't imagine that being enjoyable. But also that
that's like, you know, that's standard rules for horror films.
You have sex, first of all, you must pay for it.
You die and yeah, and in any kind of show
like this too at the start, as someone doing something
stupid and dying. My mom always my mom did not
always have the best advice, but one of the things
she always told me was horror movies couldn't exist without

(17:29):
stupid people in them.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
This is true. I mean deep c is they.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
Have some of them.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, yeah, deep c has wouldn't exist for smart people.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
I think it's smart people that make bad choices.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yes, true, they just made the fish, they made the
sharks intelligent. They didn't they didn't want this to happen.
They didn't want to die. Uh No, with this couple
that does at the start, we are never mentioned again.
Just they just they just basically set up to us. Hey,
there's fish and they're going to eat people. No one
cares about this couple, but that's what's gonna happen. I
think the boat gets found at some point.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
But yeah, we're.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
No like serious plot stuff ever actually develops. No, people
just go on their little side quest through the whole movie.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Other than Anne.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, well there's and there's Anne's boss, Raoul, who should
have died but didn't. He's the Jaws mayor of the
film that he like, he runs the hotel and it
won't shut the hotel down because there's this fish fry
coming up.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Gotta have the fish fry.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
And oh yeah, okay, so I'll lead a core cast.
We have Anne treasurer, and Nil, who is like a
diving instructor at the hotel. She has a room that's comped.
She has a son that she's having some kind of
sexual relationship with. You cannot talk that they were.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Not, Especially when she took the food from his mouth
and put it in her mouth.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
That was that was okay, maybe they're a little close.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
But then when they had like the face and it
was like Michael Fastbender versus Michael Fastbender.

Speaker 6 (19:03):
I was like, no, no.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Stop it.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, he's doing the fingering, so uh, because we're used
to that scene where like the son Chris Ricky Paul
Golden is the actor. He is like coming back from
going fishing.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
He's got a fish.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
He comes into this woman and there's just a lady
in bed. She just got like beding on and it
seems to be naked underneath, I think, and he like
crawls on top of her, puts a fish in her
in her face, and she like wakes up.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
And goes, oh, that's not for it.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
You think I'm gonna like scream, and like he names
the fish and it feels really like flirty and like familiar,
I guess, but he's her son, and it's weird. And
they get too close their faces, like almost kissing multiple times,
and I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
No, there's like legitimate sexual energy there. It made me uncomfortable.
I am so glad you pointed it out because I
was gonna ask and I was hoping is not just
a weirdo getting me all these vibes?

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Oh my God, like overt.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yes, very much. So yeah, I mean, I don't have children.
I don't have this kind of relationship with my parents.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
So I have a grown dragon, and I I hug
and I'm very physically affectionate with my child.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
It doesn't look like that, and it doesn't feel like that,
I assure you, glad. Okay, so I would punch people.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Let's never talk about this again, thank you.

Speaker 6 (20:31):
But I liked his mom.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
I liked anne An got away from Chris and ended
up being the most likable character to me.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Oh she is at least.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, Chris goetes off in his own little adventure where
he's being the crew for this rich guy and his
teenage daughter who they immediately fall in love.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
She said by.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Leslie Graves, who went on to a career and soaps
and things, and so he's got his own that doesn't
really come too much anyway. Like they steal the dingy
and go out in the middle of the night, and
then they go to like.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
A little beach with a waterfall, which looks great. I'm
all for water beaches.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
That's that's my dream. But then like they're lost at
sea and then they get found and.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yeah, they fall asleep in a row boat.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
He's supposed to be like this, this sea worthy kid
who's grown up in the water and knows all these things.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Hope we just fall.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
He's just had probably some like real great sex with this.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Girl and.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
All right, you know what, I'll give you that one.
I'll give you that One's been cron all.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Day, rowan all night, and then had some banking on
the beach.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
The poor boys tired to give him a break.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
You're right wrong here.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, they just fall asleep adrift at sea, which you
don't do that people and me more like her rich
father still has the boat and sistantly called captain. It
has been called captain despite being terrible, what everything. He
should have not survived. I feel like in the film
made these Days, he would not have survived. The hotel

(22:01):
manager would not have survived. Half of the other guests
we mentioned earlier would't have survived. But these people were all,
as far as we know, still kicking at the end.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Of the film.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yeah, many people were still sacrificed. There was a lot
of death, absolutely, but we had to kill people like
Gabe that I liked.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, I didn't kill the other people, just made Gabe go.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
Hi brother.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
We felt his death like a lot of people on
the beach who didn't really care.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
We don't know, I didn't, but.

Speaker 6 (22:31):
We didn't care.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
I was giggling about all the other deaths because they
were flying.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Per Ruan absolutely yep.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
So yeah, So Anne works at the hotel. She's a
diving instructor. She takes out a team, not a team,
like a class of diving students, and she's told me, well,
you can't go dive in the wreck. You can dive
like around the wreck, don't go in the wreck. One
guy's like, ah, I go in the wreck, and so
of course he goes in the wreck and.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Gets eat my fish.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
And she goes in like she's tied a line to
the side of the boat. Very very nice of him
to like, hey, I'm in here. And so she follows that.
And then you get the Ben Gardiner from Jue's scene
of a dead body just kind of descending and scaring everyone.
And I think as Eadbody's going films looks pretty good
for like, yeah, pretty.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Good cold, I agree actually for the most part, aside
from like some of the typical stuff like like the boobies,
the and nessary boobies, the like the weird relationships between
people and some of the lessonstellar acting. I actually didn't mind,
like the first two thirds of the movie. I'm like, okay,
I'm here, I'm here for it. We've got a mystery
we're trying to solve even though we know what's going on.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
I didn't mind Anne. I liked Anne. And then we
had Tyler who was also there, the.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Guy who knows how to scuba dive but is taking
scuba diving lessons, and it's all so charming, like we
knew his fate from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, that's that's Steve marriage. He's hitting on Anne. No
one is subtle in this film, especially romantically, and he
is persistent.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
In a creepy way.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
But is the romantic lead somehow. So he's he's in
NaN's class. He's like, it's clear that he has like experienced,
he's like helping out a bit more. And when when
this random guy gets killed the diving expision is over,
and and is like questioned by her separated husband, Lance Henrickson,

(24:26):
Chris his father who just like, whoy why was he
separate from this guy?

Speaker 1 (24:30):
This guy's great, it's Lance Henrickson cult and.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
And he has he's a police chief, he has a gun.
There's there's a bad too.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
He's chief yeah, and he's cool with dynamite, So I
mean he's a chill guy, right, why she is?

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, he takes like he goes and sees Chris Crowing
on the boat with the old guy and he takes
from for a little ride and hey, going Chris, cute
girl on that's this is a great dad.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
I still love that.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
It took about ten minutes for me to go, oh,
that is Lance Henry.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
I mean these names in the opening credits, so I
think that's on you did I put a big box.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Around and everything.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
That's last edergs Man because he is like he's not
like a massive at this point, but he's been in
a bunch of Sydney the Bluemette films. He's been in
I think it was in Network. He was in Dog
Day Afternoon. So he's like making a name for himself anyway.
So yeah, he asked a question and tells her that
she's not allowed to look at the body because she

(25:38):
could be like sued for negligence or something, which I
feel like, you have one person there who would useful
to have them look at the body. Maybe let them
look at the body.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Just just just saying.

Speaker 6 (25:49):
It made no sense.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
Neither did the nurse in the morgue.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Well, we'll we'll, we'll get there very short. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
So and is like fine and heads off and and
she's like walking around at night and creepy Tyler shows
up and is like, hey, go on date with me,
and she's like no. And he doesn't do what everyone
should do in that, which is walk away. He just
keeps on and keeps on and persistent and.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Wears her down.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Tyler right, And eventually he wears her down, and she's like,
whatever you're going to go do, I want to come
with you. And she's like, great, I'm breaking into the
mark so, which, you know, I kind of I appreciate that. Yeah,
he's a persistent dick, but now he's stuck breaking into
the mark with this lady.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
I mean, that's a hell of a first date.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
So they break into the mark so that she can
look at the corpse and she checks out the bites,
and while they're in there, the nurse shows up and
starts like hitting them with something because they've broken into
a mark. And you know, Anne's got her picture, so
she leaves and just leaves the nurse alone. With the
dead body that still has her fish in it. Live
flying Barana jumps out of the corpse and kills the

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nurse and then flies out the window.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Just that it didn't look like a chest burster.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yes, I mean, stop it.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I mean James Cameron used a lot of some of
the effects from this when he did Jess Persus Aliens.
He learned from Pirana, like the flying when the Yeah,
it's it's all you know. You learn from what you do,
you build on it, and he built on Parana to
this morning with aigans.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Who knows what kind of movie would have gotten if
he could have gotten the budget he wanted and done
all the things he wanted.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I liked when Tyler I think it's Tyler says, referring
to Lance Henrick sim He says.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Oh, you know that robot. I was like, yeah, he did.
He's going to be a robot a couple of fifth time.
That's right.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
This must have been where they met though, because I
know during Terminator he was sleeping on James Cameron's couch
or James Cameron was sleeping on his couch.

Speaker 6 (27:54):
One or the other.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
They were sleeping. They were sharing the same apartment. While
they were filming terminator.

Speaker 6 (27:58):
I know that.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, I don't know all of James Cameron's.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Because he he like worked behind the scenes on a
lot of films, and maybe they cross passed with Hendrickson
on one of those, like did do you work on
Close Encounters? Do the vision effects on Close Encounters? I
know stuff on Star Wars? So maybe this maybe I.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Don't know, Uh, who knows.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
There's probably a way of finding this out, but I'm
not going to do it now we're podcasting. But yeah,
because he wanted Donce Hendrickson to be the terminator.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Be the t not thousand eight hundred. Yes, who am
I talking to?

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Of course, you know it's okay, m I wouldna let
you discover it on your own. It's fun.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
And he wanted him, and he wanted it wasn't like
OJ I contend was.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Supposed to after this, I think the studio was like, no,
all not Lance Henrickson, and he then the studio wanted
oj and and I don't remember exactly how Ardy.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Came up, but I mean obviously it was perfect.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah. They just kind of saw him and goes, oh
that guy, that guy, Yeah, him him.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
I would run from him.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
He should be the giant, terrifying robot. What are we
talking about?

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Great, So we haven't mentioned some other supporting characters, which
is the two ladies on the boat.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
It's the self proclaimed.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Who have run out of food and clothing and they just.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Go from doc to doc.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Uh, just just on a boat stealing food and they're
heading off. And so one of them, one that's not Loretta,
I think her name is Jai. Yeah, she like goes
you know, the doc.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
She goes into the kitchen.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
She's found no bras.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
There's also no bras in this movie, whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
No bras. The bras is not invented.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
She's wearing a very warbly shirt and she goes into
break into a kitchen and steals a bunch of food
and a guy comes out as a chef who's go
of stutter, and he like catches her, and she's like, no,
let me keep the food and you can come with
me and sleep with my friend and I yeah, And
he's like, oh great, but I'll cook the food and

(30:13):
I'll bring it. So he takes the food away and
then later he comes to the dock and goes, look
at the food I bought, and they're like, great, give
us the food and untie the ropes and jump in
the water bye, and they didn't. And I felt so
sorry for this guy too, because like when they say away,
they're like, ah, by ourshole, as if.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
He don't anything wrong.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
When they had pitched everything, they'd pitched like take the
food and then you come and have fun with us.
That was their all whole pitch. It's not like he said,
he propositioned them in any way.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
He's my lucky day exactly.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
He wasn't being a total creep about it.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
He might have been a creep, we don't know, but
from what we saw I didn't think he was a creep.
I was just like, Oh, this Porschmuk is going to
get played from the start, and the Porschemuk.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Got played like big time, and it was it was
I did. I did actually feel bad for him.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
I went, oh, no, he's really going to try to jump,
And then I started to wonder if maybe maybe all
the bricks weren't there.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
Maybe Yeah, I believe it wasn't fully built.

Speaker 6 (31:13):
I don't think, Well, he does.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Jump completely the wrong angle, incretely the wrong direction, so weird.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
It looked like they did it for the camera angle
because they couldn't do more camera angles.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
That was what I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
But we also we never see him again. He like
falls in the water. Just that's it.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
Maybe he didn't die at least, Yeah, he had day.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
The two ladies are eating by fish surely so good.
Uh yeah, that's that's the real If you want to
see examples of fish jumping at people's necks, they're the
two that you really get it.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yes, and you get to have the joy of watching
them suffer after ruining this poor man's afternoon.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Absolutely, So that's a balance of nature.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
For once, those fair and fish, and.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
It's stealing thievery three sons.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
There's uh so yeah, so after and there's oh Lance
Henrickson finds out that Anne was at the morgue. He
like gets really angry with her. He's like because they
Also he's found the boat with one of the ladies
on it now and so he's got three corpses. So
he's got the guy from the diving trip and the nurse.

(32:28):
And I've got three corpses and my wife's the last one.
I saw two of them alive, which, yeah, a real
thing to be annoyed at and to be curious about.
To be frustrated with I think this is great. I like,
I like, there's a mystery and and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Did this diving instruct to kill these people? Or was
it monster fish? Who is this?

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Who is I like that that's the mystery, Like that
she could possibly have done it when all these people
have been bitten to death.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
But you're not going to suspect a flying Piranha to
come on of this bros in the in the morgue either.
Oh yeah, and then the nurse yeah yeah yeah, so
no no, yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
But I also I also find it amusing.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
He's like, stay away from all of this.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
I'm like, hey, she's the knowledge girl though the fish
in the water. You need her resources, sir.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
That's what they didn't make enough of. Like she would
be the one to prove. She was only one who
could prove she didn't do it, because she's the one
who can recognize the bites. But she's like, she's like, oh, yeah,
it was It was definitely Piranha that did it, and
not me, the main suspect in these crimes. It was
definitely definitely Piranha. But she like starts hypothesizing, Oh, the
military did do these tests on these Parana, which is

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in the first film, and Tyler's like, what are you
talking about?

Speaker 1 (33:43):
What are you talking about? I don't know anything.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
About this, because it turns out later on secretly he's working.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
He did it.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
He was one of the biochemists who did the stuff
to the fish so good, which.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
She explains why he's there, and he's so interested and
he can scuba dive, and he's so interested in her
and well obviously and he likes sex because that happened also,
which that was.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
The divorced trope between the three of them. Immediately, I'm like, oh,
this guy is so doomed.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Even though there were no vibes between Police Chief Steve
and and there were none whatsoever, there was no chemistry
between them, it was still a oh they have this
estrange couple and the sun off. Usually they like try
and tie those people together, make that relationship, like even
in really really bad movies, they usually tried to do that.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
And I did not get that at all. It was
all just gruffness.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
But I appreciate you Lance Henrickson and your gruffness because
I know I'll listen to this.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
He's on Number one fun It'll be on next week.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
I'd love it if you Donce Hendrickson, if you're out there,
come on the show talk about to talk about you
should have been in the Rony cuks row.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Uh love Brownie Cox too.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
But.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
So let's see where where where do we get to? Yeah?
Ti is on it and goes dive in.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
She she sees the piranhas gnawing on her head in
the in the reef. One of the adorable shot of
a parana gnawing on her flipper. I thought it was
very as cute as a pirana can be. It's very cute,
and like the when we're talking about pirana, these obviously
aren't real fish that they're using in these films. They're
like puppets, or they're like when I say puppets, they're

(35:32):
very basic puppets.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
They're kind of like those those like claws used to
pick up litter.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
It's like that, but with a fish on it is
what we're talking about.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Okay, Okay, I love that. I love that so much.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
I was thinking, especially when you get them like at
the end, flying through the air. I was thinking about
the the weird singing fish that people put on their walls.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Oh big mouth by bass.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Yes, I was thinking about those too. They look kind
of like that. Yeah, the animatronics of it all.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, you want to.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Start singing, don't worry, be happy.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
While you Actually that would have made the ending so
much better.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
I mean they're underwater to they are singing whenever know.
But yeah, So she and gets out.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Tyler just kind of spontaneously appears behind her underwater and
helps her get out because this guy is just always
following her because he's creep as we established.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
So they get out.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
The diamond fisherman, Gabby, his son is just like alone
one day and just kind of gets eaten by fish.
It's it's a very dark segness when it's nighttime in
these scenes, it is hard to tell what's going on
because it is dark, which I feel likes a choice,
but it was difficult to work out what was going
on here. But the sun died and when when Gabby

(36:53):
finds him, it's a very emotional scene.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
He's like very sad. It's really felt for this guy.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
But then he like gets vengeance in his heart and
just gets all of his dynamites together and makes one
big bomb and sets the time of six thirty in
the morning.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
I was expecting to be like Robert shot.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah, this guy should have had a monologue.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
He should have had like a bit more more to do.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
That's what I was hoping for. I don't even care
if it was bad. In fact, it would have been
better if it was bad, but I wanted it.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's great.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
So, yeah he has this, he's gonna kill all the fish.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Good on board with that.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Meanwhile, Oh, my favorite death in the film, a character
that's barely mentioned, Aaron, like the deputy police guy who.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Works with Oh.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Yeah, there are a lot of death.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
So there are a lot there's a lot of characters.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
There's a lot of.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Characters and a lot of death and they don't kill
them all, which is amazing.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
So Aaron is just kind of checking out the beach.
Aaron not even got a credit on Wikipedia for this
page for this film. He's pretty on IMDb, but he's
not listed amongst the main cast. But he's just out
checking the beach and he's like, look, we see a
shot of him like looking into the water. He's on
the walkie talkie with Anne cut Away. Next time we

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come back to him. He is a zombie in the
in the Breakers, He's like rising from the waves. Half
of him in various places is missing. He's like stumbling out.
He kind of collapses trying to reach for the walkie talkie.
There's like bubbles in the water behind him, and then
he gets dragged back into the sea at high speed
like a torpedo just by. Who knows how many fish

(38:35):
have got like tied reins to him and pulling him
back into the sea. It's incredible.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
It was.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
It was a good death, and it was unexpected. But yeah,
it was like a torpedo.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
There had to have been hundreds of them. And since
they were the size of the singing bass, they're quite large,
which I actually don't know, like the average size of
a piranha. My uncle had a pet one and he
was like, I'm showing Jay, but he was about that big.
His name was Elvis, and that's how large he was.
I mean, he didn't look too formidable. I respected him.

(39:08):
I didn't put my hands in there. I wasn't a
stupid child.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
But these these are big. Do they get that big?

Speaker 1 (39:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
I picture paranas being about the size of like a saucer,
like a cup of sauce, like a small in terms
of length, and then like half to two thirds of
that height wise. But that's just from films, so I
don't know, I've never seen I don't think i've seen
one in real life.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Well, these are also souped up military ones, military grade ones,
so maybe they've been doing steroids and stuff.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Yeah, they've been.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Eating the weedies for sure. That'll that will help you.
I don't know what makes you fly.

Speaker 6 (39:48):
They've been drinking red Bull.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Red Bull makes you fly wings.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
That's where they got the slogan of red Bull from
great so Yes, it's portant to the wonderful. It's time
for the fish fry, so this fish fry and is
like the expert on this every year.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
It's what was it? They said?

Speaker 2 (40:12):
It's the grunions, the grunions. It's the first full moon
after the spring equinox. All of the grunions come up
on the on the shore to spawn, which is where
the title of the film comes from. The spawning, which
weird event in the film to give the title of
the film whatever.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
But there's a lot of.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Weird sexual energy throughout the film, so I guess it
kind of works.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
This is true, I guess.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
So, yes, so so all the grunions come up on
land and instead of like just kind of marveling at
the ritual of these fish do every year, humans just
come out with scoop them up in front. So yeah,
I mean I had fish for dinner tonight, so I
can't really talk, but.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
I love fish.

Speaker 6 (40:55):
It's great fish.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Fish.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Seafod is my favorite.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
So you have all of the hotel guests would like
lit torches, marching down the beach, chanting, we want fish,
we want fish expecting these so weird.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Which is very if they're just they're chanting.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
They have torches.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Some of them torch it's the Frankenstein.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
It's like rakes and brooms and things, and they're just chanting.
We want fish at these like, you know, fish that
don't know that people exist and are going to be
scared off for this chanting and they're coming on land
to mate what. I don't get what these people, but
these people get their fish that they are chanting for.
They are just not the fish that they want. They

(41:38):
are flying and they are coming for their necks.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
And a bunch of them get eaten by prana. So good.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
We can see eating. Are they actually getting eaten? I
feel like the prana aren't eating them, they're just murdering.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
They're eating little bits of them.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Yeah, they're Yeah, I guess that they're they're bigger than
most prana, but they're not large. Like, yeah, they'd get
their fill pretty quickly. I wonder what they do afterwards.
I mean, I'm thinking too deeply about this.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
I mean it depends on how well they can fly,
I guess, because like flying fish don't really fly, they
just kind of glie like skip over waves.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
I'm still shocked at the audacity of the flying. Like
usually you wait till the third or fourth movie to
make that jump. I think even Tremors waited till the
third movie before the ass Blasters could fly.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Maybe that was the second one. Maybe they do start
doing in the second earlier, but like.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
One of the gremlin zing Roomors too has wings, but
only one.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
But only one, and that was a mutation and it
was cool and it made sense. Yeah, he went on
Gargoyle I think at some point too. Yeah, but in general,
usually we take fish flying. I mean, like Sharknado, it
was a while before we went to space.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
It was like just three films.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, third movie, so had flying sharks in the first
one because they're in a shark not exactly.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
I don't. I'm just wrong here. I'm wrong about my
fish in the second movie flying.

Speaker 6 (43:10):
This is actually more normal.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
I but it shouldn't be. I agree with you that
they're not. They don't. They don't fly well like these
product can fly. Not really. They can just leap long way.
If they're like Superman, they jump a long way.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
I'm gonna have such red eyes by the end of
this from laughing crying so much.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
A bunch of people died, not many that we know.
Have you seen the film Bobby Emilia Western has directed
about the when Robert Kennedy Bobby Kennedy when he was assassinated. Yeah,
which that hads U is like twenty five different characters
who were just around that day, and like some of

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them were in the room when he got when he
got shot towards the end, and that kind of felt
this feels like Bobby and like all these character introduced,
some of them are born, some of them are not,
some of them get killed, most of them don't. And
I just kind of got like a like Bobby Para
at the end of Piranha two this morning.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Yeah, that's well, that's what I thought too, and I
think maybe I wouldn't have Okay, the whole movie is silly.
The whole movie is silly. It's not a good movie,
but it's funny and it's entertaining. It really is funny.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
I was.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
I enjoyed myself watching it. I am not complaining at all,
but it's not a good movie.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
But I feel like the ending would have been better
if they would.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Have put all these these people like you said that
we know and have seen the movie. There's so many
of the characters, like put them there at the end
and murder them for us. I'm glad, give us, throw
us a bone and let let the dentists live.

Speaker 6 (44:44):
That was funny.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
That was great.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Five five of the characters we've met over the course
the room are in like different rooms having sex. It
was away from the having their own climax, So it would.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Would have been a bit more impactful. It would have
been more impactful, or at least more entertaining. It would
have been It would have been a number of other things.
The only one that I got that I felt upset
about or was really like enjoying was you know happen boy?

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah, yeah, because he shows up, he doesn't make it inside.
They can like shut the door on him. It's like
Edgar in twenty four season two, where he like gets
shut out of the room and everyone just gots to
watch him dies. Its twenty four season two, and yeah,
the one just watches him get killed. And then they're
like they find his bombs and Ann's I'm gonna kill
the veget of the bombs. So she and Tyler take

(45:37):
the bombs and go to the wreck and swim down
and plant the bombs. They can't change the time they're
going off. It seems they're gonna go off at six thirty,
no what, And they've got like nineteen minutes when they
head down there, which.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Like it's not nineteen minutes to reach minimum safe distance, right.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
They go to swim down, plant the bombs, get back
out again.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
And guess who's there with the ship to pick them up.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
But before he's with the ship, he's he's out on
his helicopter trying to find.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. And that started at night.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
The start of night.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
But this is this is one of the best parts
of the film in my opinion, because he like finds Chris.
He's got the helicopter he's got. He found Chris and
Allison in a dinghy. There's also just another boat which
is Anne's boat there, and he's in the helicopter which
cannot land on the water. So he's like, what do
I do here? I need to save my son.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
We've got like.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Two minutes to spare to get out of here. I
can't get them into the helicopter. So he just like
jumps out of the helicopter and it crashes into the
sea and explodes.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
It just blows up the helicopter.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
I need to know has this been It had to
have been on exploding helicopter all it's.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Not, but I don't think it's been on the podcast.
But it's on his list because there's there's there's like
seven hundred films on the list, so.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
By far, one of the most ridiculous explosions I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
I love a good explosion.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yeah, there is no reason on the planet that the
helicopter would have exploded into.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
The bizarre choice for a film to make to be
like this guy's got to have because it could have
been so easy for him.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
To just been in a boat. Yeah, the hotels.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Feel like that might have been one of James Cameron's
moments because he likes to use helicopters in the way
the spotlight was shining. He does that with all of
his flying vehicles and movies. However, they could have even
crashed it a little bit better. They could have let
it drop and like sink down into the boat underneath
and shake them or something.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
That's what sets with the explosion.

Speaker 8 (47:40):
Maybe yeah, yeah, yeah, set it off a little bit
early even, or or irritate the Piranha or let them
get to access to Tyler, or he gets trapped because
of it hitting there.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
See, I'm coming up with ideas already, and I'm not
even that brilliant.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Let's let's go. We can remake Pirana too, you and me, Jay.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
I'm over for it.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
So he flows it up, gets into the boat, comes
around to the dinghy, gets Gris and Alison into the boat.
They say, and they're like, well, the time's up, We've
got to go, and so he just like gets out
of there. Meanwhile, and and Tyler are down in directly.
They set the bomb, they get it out. They're going
through the swimmable vent system that all military ships have

(48:22):
to escape with the Pirana. They're die harding it out
of there and gets out. Tyler gets stuck. I did
like all the little shots of all the many piranha
like gnawing at the vents. That was cool. We too,
all these little fish puppets. So yeah, Tyler gets duck.
He gets eating by fish and gets out. She just
about grabs the anchor, which I think is this is

(48:43):
pretty cool. She grabs the anchors Aslanta Nkson's taking the
boat away, and so she just like flies out of
there on an anchor and gets clear.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
It was clever. Yeah, it was clever.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
And it was a good shot too. It looked really cool.
I liked it with you there.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
And then so she has saved.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
No one knows that, she says, so Lonce Harrison, he's
like the explosion goes off. He's like falls over, Chrys
everyone falls over. They kind of come out there looking
around the same wreckage. They see nothing. He and Chris
have a little moment. Oh, the woman that we both
are in love with.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
She just wants sounds for your mother.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
She's his perished and then she services and they will
have one big hug and then credits credits immediately twice.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
I'm like why and I'm glad. I'm glad it's done.

Speaker 6 (49:30):
It needs to be done.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
We've said all we have to say. I think about Pirana,
except we haven't because there's more Piranha movies.

Speaker 6 (49:36):
But it was so abrupt.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
It was one of the most abrupt endings to a
movie I've ever seen.

Speaker 6 (49:40):
And I watched it home.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Yeah, I think I've rented it on Amazon Prime or something,
and and it literally just booted me back to the
mainscreen and went, Oh, that really was it.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
It's done, You're finished.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
That's enough, overdone, finish her.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
And like they blow up the ship because that's where
the Parana came from. A they didn't like the lights.
They went back there during the day. I feel like
none of the pan are going to be in there.
I feel like there's still gonna be a problem. They
probably like exploring that isn't going to get them all.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Obviously, this is still relocate.

Speaker 6 (50:13):
Yeah, they're just going to relocate.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Besides, they don't have to stay underwater. We know now
we know they can.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Fly fly.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Away.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
So you're going to continue this though, You're going to continue.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
We have Pirana three D and three.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Double D coming up, so I cannot wait to listen
to them after this, it's going to be great.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
I mean, I'm looking forward to watching them again. Well,
we're looking forward to watching three D again, and I
will watch three double D again. But I can't say
I'm looking forward to it because I didn't enjoy that film.
At least A lady will be on to talk about
that one.

Speaker 6 (50:43):
So great.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
She chose to talk about that film she wants to.
So good.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
But did you have any any other any other thoughts
on on Pirana?

Speaker 1 (50:52):
I think we didn't get to.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
I think we covered it, but I sincerely did not
hate it.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
It was not It was not I.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Could barely remember any of it, and it wasn't as
bad as I thought it was, all things considered, because
I was entertained.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
I yeah, you just have to.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Go into movies like this with reasonable expectations, which means
have none.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I gotta agree. I enjoyed it more than I thought
I was gonna.

Speaker 6 (51:15):
Yeah, it was funny. It was fun.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
It was fun or funny and sometimes yes we were
laughing at it. But that's okay too.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, that's allowed, that's fine.

Speaker 7 (51:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Yeah, so iied, I haven't. I haven't.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
I've worked out the deepest stats but I've not put
them in my graph yet because I've been slacking.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
So just this is definitely bluer than the last few
I've been on.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
For this was this is a little bit bluer.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
But it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
I'm like again, I thought we were going to spend
a lot of time in the water, and we didn't
spend as much in the water as I thought we
were going to.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah, so so, listeners, every time we cover a new
film on this show, hey to see your first time Welcome.
I try to work out how deep all the action
of the film is, like, where it is depth wise
in the world the action taking place, how blue everything
on screen is, and how much the film takes place
at sea. So as we know, deep blue Sea is

(52:08):
of course about fourteen and a half meters or forty
seven and a half feet deep, thirty one percent blue
and eighty nine percent of DEPC takes place at sea. Heather,
do you think Piranatu this Morning is deeper, bluer, and
more at sea than deepluec?

Speaker 1 (52:27):
No, No one all.

Speaker 6 (52:29):
Counts, No one all counts.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
No one all counts. Okay, the ship.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Doesn't even seem like it's that deep. It doesn't seem
like it's that far out. It seems like you could snorkel.
People aren't using their scupa tubes to get down to it.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
So for that I took because it's a kind of
a fictional shipwreck what they're on, So I just took
the shipwreck whid they filmed it, which is a real
shipwreck in the Caribbean, which is about twenty meters deep,
So what's what's that? That's like sixty feet than one sixty.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Feet But they're not down there all that long.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
So depth wise, this works out of being on average
about two point seven meters or eight point eight feet
deep because they're down a lot, but they're also there's
stuff in a helicopter. There's a lot of stuff on
nand dropping up in hotel ms. So that puts it
slightly deeper than the last Shark but less deeper than
Renny Harlin's Exorcist to the beginning because a lot of

(53:25):
underground tunneling and stuff in that film. So it's forty
second on our list of depth films. Blueness is actually
quite close to deep. See do you see thirty one
percent blue? This is thirty three percent blue, thirty three
point six percent blue. When they're underwater, it is completely blue.
And there's also a lot of like blue clothes and
blue sky and stuff going on up above.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
So it was quite low.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
So it's bluer than Deep C two, less blue than
the original Little Mermaid, and at sea nowhere near as
much as sea as I thought it were going to be.
It's but it is at see forty three percent of
the time. A lot of is on boats. That means
it's more at sea than it's less at sea than Monna.
But it's more at sea than a film called Survive

(54:08):
from last year that Mark and I talked about. That's
an underseen film in which a family, I think it's
a French family go out on a boat and they
will go to.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Bed and they wake up the sea has disappeared. Ah,
they're just.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Stuck at the bottom of what used to be the sea.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
It's a weird film. It goes places from there.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
They have kind of like the dialogue goes like what's
happened with the water, And it was like, it's obvious
the sea is where the land used to be. And
I just can't stop thinking about, like, but how does
that work? Because most lands slopes towards the sea. So
surely it's pouring back down.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
To where it used to be. That's where it was.
What do you mean? And and it's going to come
back in seven days? How do you know? What are
you talking about?

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Okay, now I want to watch this because I have
too many questions and.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
I needed it won't.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Be answered that I can't do it. No, that will
do nothing, but just like drive my anxiety through the roof.
And they already don't sleep, so I can't do that.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
It's we had we had fun with in terms like
we have no idea.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
What this film is.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
We got like a screener of it and we watched
it and this is where is this going to go next?
We didn't expect it to go here. Okay, this is fun.
We had an episode on it. But yeah, it's one
of those films that just no one knows exists. Yeah
that's that's that's Survive from twenty twenty four. Yeah, that

(55:43):
will do it for our coverage of Pana have a
pan to proan too. This morning I had that where
can I listener's find you?

Speaker 4 (55:51):
You can find me all in thank you Jay.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
You can find me in one place at Heatherbaxinel dot
com all of my podcasting steps there.

Speaker 6 (55:59):
I just started new podcast.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Too, So if you like fantasy novels, my friend Morgan
and I have just started that and our first yeah,
our first episode will be out May six and all
the streaming services. It's called a Pod of Wings and
Filth and you can find all of my book stuff
and all my voice acting stuff and all of my
nerdy stuff there. So Heatherbackxindale dot com.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Wings and Filth are the wings on fish by any chance.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Oh god, mostly on humans, thank goodness, but also that
sounds wrong saying it sure.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Great well, listeners.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
You can follow this podcast series at Deep Blue seapod
on all social media, email us deep Spot at gmail
dot com. Next week is another chapter on Deep Say
it's chapter sixteen. I think we're gonna be saying goodbye
to the bird next week. Sad times were there already,
so we come back next week for.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
More more flying creatures being dispatched underwater.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
But that but that will do it for brogs Buddy.
Thank you once again to my wonderful guest Heather Backs.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
And de Walsh, thank you for having me and I
love coming on this show it's so great.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
I've been Jake Luer and we'll deep bluesy you next week.