August 20, 2025 • 51 mins
Jay is joined by David Brook ( @dave_or_did on Twitter) to talk about the 1957 ocean survival drama Abandon Ship, also known as Seven Waves Away, starring Tyrone Power as the reluctant captain aboard an overloaded boat full of people trying to survive when their cruise ship sinks. On this episode they discuss moral dilemmas, the effectiveness of shark repellent and literal throwaway characters!
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hello, and welcome to Deep Blue sy the podcast. I
am J Kler on this show, and we've been through
the entire Deep Blue Sea trilogy, scene by scene. We're
doing it again, but not this week. We're talking about
one of those deeply see adjacent films. So we talk about
so much. There's a film's directed by Ronnie Harlan or
featuring aquatic action or sharks, and this is a film
that does briefly feature sharks, but it's mainly a quatic action.
(00:36):
It is abandoned Ship sorry, abandoned ship exclamation mark, also
known as seven Waves Away or seven days from now
if you want just a really title that makes no
sense at all for the film. What is this film?
What is? From nineteen fifty seven. It's a British film
Drift by Richard Sale stars Tyrone Power as the executive
officer on a ship, the SS Crescent Star, which is
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going across at the Atlantic, hits a mine, sinks in
seven minutes with over a thousand people on board, all
of whom perish sorry souls on board. It's always sold
the bard Apart from thirty seven. I think we follow
most of them as they are boord board the fairly
small boat they're all on. And it turns out after
(01:21):
a while that in order for everyone to survive, or
some people to survive, some others will need to be sacrificed,
and it's up to Holmes to make that decision. This
is the film. I hadn't really heard it before the
guest today, so hey, we shure about this and it's
like great talk about it. So to talk more about
Seven Waves Away of Bana Jip the He's been on
the show a few times. There was lost on in
(01:42):
October for chapter one Deep from Blueprint Review. It's David Brook. David,
welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Hello, there is a pleasure to be back, Yes Ford,
to have you back.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yes. So seven what should we call this abandoned Ship?
We'll stick with abandoned Ship, which is I think the
US titled. So is this something that you had a
film you'd heard of before, you'd come across it before.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Well no, not really, not at all.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
It was I was sent a copy of Imprint Films
Tales of Adventure Volume six review, which which first one
I kind of asked the review it it just looked
like all war movies. But actually, in the end, although
there's a bit of war and quite a few of them.
It's more of a mixture of tales of survival really,
(02:26):
and this was on there.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I'd never heard of it before.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I just thought it sounded kind of interesting, so I
watched it for review, and as I said, when I.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Realized how Blue and Sea it wasn't and there were.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Some sharks, I thought, I'll check if as Jay is
aware of this film, because it's quite obscure. Just I
haven't really heard of it, Yes, I just I just
it was a total random selection for me.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Fair enough. Well, it was on our spreadsheet. I think
Howard Kasner mentioned it recently. He was just on the
episode that came out on the show today jugging another
British boat film. Yeah, this, so I said, I had
no idea what this was going in. Let's watch this
and great and it was very reminiscent of the film
(03:12):
with Your Lost Time. Yeah, lifeboat a bunch of people's
survivorship thinking and we just see that that survival play out.
So when it comes to how deep and how blue,
this film is very similar stance to life Yeah, very
very similar so but also very easy to work out.
So that's that's my favorite kind of film to cover.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Entirely set on and so yeah, there's no there's not
even any little bookends. What I do like about this
actually is launched into anyway, is the I did like
the opening title sequence because it's kind of it's it's
just it's just it has the credits going over a
shot of the ways the ocean, and then suddenly it slowly,
just after the last credit, it ends on a mine
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which then explodes you off into the film, which I
just thought was a really cool, straight to the point,
just getting on with it kind of opening.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I liked that, Yeah, that's it's it's it's fun. I agree.
I was like, I'll try my cat. What is that thing?
Just kind of bobby, I think that was the mind
after a little while. But then yeah, just it blows
up and you're in and we then we don't see
much of the ship going down. That's not what this film.
This isn't idanic, that's not what that's about. It's about
what happens afterwards. We see like all the all the debris,
(04:26):
the wreckage just kind of floating. You get a bit
of narration because you see some like sharks swimming around
in narration it's like once you've gone down, you've become
aware of living, you become aware of the dead. And
it like stops on this floating doll like a children
just kind of bobbing in the water's ards. I don't
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I wasn't wear all the production value of the films,
Like is that supposed to be a person? Clearly it's
clearly just a doll. But I think it's supposed to
be a doll. And it's like emphasizing there are children
aboard this boat and maybe they haven't made it, but
we are throwing a bit of a a curve to
start with. When young guy Tyrone Power his real name,
(05:09):
I cannot get past that Tyrone Power his real name name,
like the same name as his dad. He's like I
think he's like Tyrone Power the third or something, because
like if you have that name, you're going to keep
that name going. That's a great yeah, man Max Power
from the Simpsons. There when the changes his name, he
goes onto this there's like a floating box of some
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kind and it was not really rather for about it's
like a box that's got three people want it already,
and you think, oh, this is going to be this
is where we're going. This is the group that he's with,
and like a dog shows up and there's a body
on there and it's a steward. It's like Stuart George
and was like, oh is he okay? Like no, just
tips him into the water.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Well that's one of the things. I mean, we might
get this later. That's one of the things I like that.
This is how brutal it is, like and this is
from the what years this fifty seven and then I
guess films were getting dark after World War Two that
you do see like so that's when the film noir
gets really wa and but but yeah, just like but
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it's very open about it. You quite often find films
of this era they'll approach dark subject matter. They're not,
but but they'll usually use euphemisms and things like this.
So you'll see things will be off camera. But here
it's like dead body chunk. You see it all getting
shot at you get you see quite a few dead
bodies getting shot over the edge of boats and live
(06:32):
bodies yes, oh yeah, yeah, well yeah, the only explosist
system comes to euphemisms.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I was reading into it is like one of the
characters might be into the being gay. That's like, that's
what the euphemism system gets into. They will kill people,
it will show dead bodies, but it's not gonna say yeah, yeah,
but yeah. So Alex Holmes, he's on this bot on
this block. There's an engineer, there's a couple of passengers,
ones like sad about his wife, one's sad about her daughter.
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And he sees another lady bobbing in the water, and
so he jumps in to go and save the lady,
but you can't make it back to the block, ends
up going to the overcrowded boat, and then we never
see that raft thing ever again. What happened to the
engineer on there?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And the dog?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
What one of these you never see him again. That's it.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
There's one reference because because it isn't the the husband
of everyone of the ladies is on there.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
But that's that's pretty much that reference.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
They discussed that at one point and then it's kind
of yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
That was an odd, odd decision, like they wouldn't happen
these days. You'd be like, they get on the boat,
boat set away and you just see that the block
sinking in the background. I don't know. So he makes
it over to over to the shore boats a shore boat.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
That's one of the points that that's one of the
that kind of leans into the kind of harsher aspects
of the survival of the reason they have to take
which extreme measures. Laterly is that later sorry, is that
it's not actually last lifeboat. A lifeboat would have more space,
they'd have more provisions on there, where this is just
designed to go to short so on you got a
few bits and pieces on there. It's designed for is
(08:08):
it nine or seven? They said they've got enough stuff
for nine, could stretch to fourteen.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, and they've got a lot more than that. They've
got like twenty eight. Yeah. And when he's on the
rafts to start with, he's like, ah, that boat over
there is in trouble. They got too many people already,
And then he ends up having to go over there
as it is, and then what once he gets there,
it's very much like a kind of one location. These
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people are all stuck together as like twelve angry men
on a lifeboat shore boat going and it's just like
character drama where eventually half of them get killed. Yeah, yeah,
it's just kind of playing because the captain's on there
already but he's dying and so yeah, so he passes
(08:56):
command over to Alec and then it's just all of these,
all these characters, I will argue, possibly too many characters,
which I guess is the point of the people for kill.
But there's a there's a lot, and they all they
all have something going on there. But they've all got
a character, they've all got a name, they've all got
a plate of some description that some of them more
(09:17):
than others. There were a few characters later at towards
the end, were like, wait, who is this person? Who
is this cabin boy? Has he been here the whole time?
I don't think he has? But were there any any standouts?
Few amongst the amongst the boat survivors.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
The I mean, I do think I do like Tyrone Power.
I think he did a good job in the lead.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
But in terms of the kind of minor roles and
and and it's quite like he's the character plays godfriend
and she was decent, and some of the other ones.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Are a bit hit and miss I'm trying to think.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
There's the But the the other lady on the on
the on the boat, she was, she was, she was,
She's kind of equally annoying but also kind of good.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
She was very memorable. She has some stronger moments.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I like the bit when she kind of strips off
and dives in the water, shows them that she can.
She's a really strong swimman too, which comes in handy
into helping her paste later on.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I guess, yeah, yeah, she's she's certainly of the supporting
car She's one of the more more prominent ones, like
Cat is everybody pasted Alec and yeah, Julie my Zettling,
who I didn't. I thought she was a little bit
Wouolden personally, but you know, it's I guess it's an
extreme situation, so a state of shock. Yeah. I liked Edith.
(10:35):
She was very, very kind of vocal. She kept on
calling him brave Captain, but in a way that yeah,
she's complimenting him, but it sounds like an insult every time.
And she's played by Moil Lista. Yeah she's she's excellent
and yeah, she has a strong personality, kind of stands
out from the rest of the other.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, a lot of the other character are a little bland.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, yeah, there's some Yeah, there's some bit of stereo
types in their occasion. You've got the kind of looks
like a bit of a Mathio sa type guy.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Mister Feroni. The guy was a switchblade in his booket. Yeah,
So when I say everyone's got something going on, one
of some of those things is there's a lady with
broken ribs, that's what she's got going on. And she's
got a kid with a black eye. And I initial
thought was her husband the kid's father as there as well,
(11:28):
and he's swallowed some engine oil. Apparently, My first thought
was like this broken ribs and a black eye. This
is this like an abusive guy who's gonna they're gonna
like get rid of him because he's abusive to the No, no,
this is all just somehow broken ribs and a black
eye being caused by a ship sinking is unusual, I
would say.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
But you know, I kind of thought like the kid
was gonna die because he was complaining about headaches and stuff.
I thought, Oh, he's probably got a concussion of something
and he gonna he's gonna randomly keel over.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
But I didn't really go down that route.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, the kid, kid doesn't do a lot, He's not
it's it's not a big boat. There's a lot of
people on it, but not everyone on the boat can
be seen all the time or knows everyone else is
on there. For instance, there is a dog on the
boat that lots of people on the boat don't know
his death. They're not where like, oh yeah, this character
has a not a small dog. It looks like some
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kind of poole kind.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I do like where they went with a dog, though,
because because initially, although thanks to me, they don't go
all the way. But but it's because because at first,
when you see this dog on there, really and when
they start arguing about whether it's on board, I'm thinking,
surely you're going to get rid of the dog.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
But then he makes a good point as to why
they keep the dog, and it's like, okay, wow, It's
like and again I mean that's because I really I
really enjoyed this.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I know we've kind of poked a few holes in it,
but I actually I liked it quite a bit, sure,
I think, but I think mainly for I'm quite a
sucker for a good moral dilemma, and this film is
all about the moral and that really appealed to me.
And also just how dark it gets, as I say,
talking about eating dogs and things like that it's just
really I just I love seeing old films that are
(13:09):
just afraid to just just go all out there and
then and lay it all on the line. And so
I liked it quite a lot in that sense. It's
flawed definitely, and as I say, the performance is at
all great, and it kind of shows its budget ocation.
The shark shots are clearly kind of like stock footage,
cut away sort of things. But I don't know, and
(13:31):
I did feel they although the sharks didn't feel like real,
it kind of convincingly felt as though he were on
the water. The camera's got a lot of bobbing around
with it and stuff, and people looked suitably draggled. Sometimes
in all the films that they don't look all that.
They're still wearing quite nice clothes and their hair still
(13:52):
done up. They kind of look pretty rough in this
and it's so no, Yeah, I thought it did a
good job.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I don't mean to imploy that like I thought it was.
It was. It was great, you know, for a film
i'd never heard of, didn't know where it was going
to go, just kind of stuck it on one evening,
let's see what happens. I had I had a good time.
But yeah, it is. I mean, I like the comparison
to a hungremente. I'd love to have angry men. So
any kind of film that's like that kind of situation
of it's just these people are stuck together in this
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confined space. Let's see what happens. That's always that's usually interesting.
And yeah, there is a pretty hefty moral dilemma here
that doesn't shy away from asking at the the end
of the film is all what you have done? So,
I mean, we'll getther, we'll gether. But yeah, so, I
mean the main the main crux of this is the boats.
(14:42):
The boat's too small. They've got I wrote down they've
got seventeen people in the boat and a dog and
nine people in the sea, just kind of hanging on
to the side of the boat. And there's sharks. One
character was like, the sharks look at me like I'm
a steak and kidney pie. Like great. They have shark
repellent which they kind of tie onto a thing onto
(15:05):
the side of the boat and it just puts something
in the water that the sharks don't like.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Is that a real thing?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Then? That that was one bit I was like, I
thought I was just something from Batman the movie.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
That was my first thought as well. I mean, I
think I think it is the kind of a thing,
but in the same way that you eat get those
sprays like stop foxes from winging in the garden. They
work to an extent, but not like some foxes are
still going to come in, and so like the problem
is they've only got a limited amount of this shark
repellent and they use it immediately because there's sharks around,
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which fair enough, and then they run out and then
they decide even with people hanging onto the side, there's
not enough provisions. They've got enough enough water for like
one cup per person. They've only got a limited sply
of not even that great food. It's like you biscuits,
that's about sugar, biscuits, sugar and condensed milk. It's what
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they have on board. So a real balanced diet there.
And so there's one there's an injured guy who's like
a chief engineer or a deck office or something. He
played by Lloyd Nolan, who he was trying to fix,
trying to fix an air conditioner and he's like, now
I'm fun of that air conditioner could exploded on it
and he knows he's dying, and he tells Holmes like
(16:18):
that he needs to he needs he's he's got to
evict some of the tenants, anyone who can't pay the rent,
like he thought. He thought I could have the guts
to save half of them instead of losing them all.
So the crux is not that if they have everyone
in the boat, they are going to die. If they
get rid of some of them, the rest of them
might live. And so Alec takes it upon himself to choose.
(16:43):
This is This is semi based on a true story.
From where was it? It was from eighteen forty one which
American ship also called the Crescent, had far fewer people,
and thirty one went down when it when it sank,
and there was sixteen on a lifeboat, and then half
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of them were killed.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I thought it was Williams. I thought it's called the
William Brown.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah Brown. There was another thing there was There was
saying saved by the yeah, I picked up They were
picked up by the person William Brown. You're right. And
in that instance they the people that were saved were
the women and children, and they sacrificed lots of the men,
but not they sacrificed the male passengers, but they kept
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the male crew from the boat, and they kept the
women and the children, whereas in this instance most of
the women are the first to go.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, they just sacrificed for the week.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, Alex, I don't want women and children. I want
people who can row for fifteen hours a day and
walk on land at the end of it. Like I
see logic. Yes, fine, however this is going to be
unt to watch.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, I guess one thing you didn't mention.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
I think, I think, and I think one of the
reasons one of the reasons they kind of they go
down and is also they did the ship.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Didn't manage to send out an S O S signal.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
The the it was destroyed.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
He got destroyed before they had chance. So they have
to try and get somewhere. So that's another reason why
they need less fewer passengers so they can actually roweople there.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And then like the nearest land is Africa, which is
some fifteen hundred miles away, in a very long way
to go. And like amongst the people on the board
they've got they've got Gordon Jackson from Great Escape who's
got two broken wrists. So can't roll. But he is
like the last to be let go. I was like, sure,
(18:43):
this guy's going to like okay, thanks, thanks john By.
He's like the last and seems surprised when he's because
before him they let go the man who was drunk,
the engine oil, or the women with the broken reb
the various people who are seasick, the old, the older,
the older opera singer lady, and like the cabin boy,
(19:04):
who's this eighteen year old guy who's like, oh, that's
he's probably going to be useful, but they cast him
off and keep them so like a much older guy
on the boat who I'm not trying to be ages here.
Maybe he was in better shape than the young guy,
but I was just surprised, like, yeah, these two, you mean,
I was surprised by some of their choices. And yeah,
(19:27):
I guess when when Alec is starting out to plan,
he's planning on keeping he's like second in command Will McKinley,
who decides to go, yeah with one of it, with
the injured, with one of the injured people. Yeah, so
maybe he's like, oh damn, I was gonna get rid
of the kid and the old guy, and now I've
got the kids in the water already, so off you sorry, Yeah,
(19:51):
so maybe that was that. Yeah, some of the people
that are kept don't seem like the best. But hey,
it's a stress situation. There's no there's no right answer. Yeah,
so how how do you think you would have fared
in that situation? If you would you have been saved?
Would you have saved people?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I am very skinny. I'd have to try and hide
house thin my wrists.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I mean like, yeah, but then that makes you lighter.
You're not way in the boat.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I'm stronger than a lot. That would be my argument.
I'd be begging. I certainly wouldn't be like the heroic
second mate. He'd be like, oh, I'm going to stay
with this and lady in the middle of the ocean,
I'd be.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Like certain, I'd be like elbow.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Ship.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, because like no one, no one's happy with the situation.
When when I proposes that I'm going to do deciding
here half of you bye bye, everyone's against it because
because everyone's like, well, I want to be saved. I
want to be saved. I don't want to be one
of people in the water, and some of them are
like have moral objections like the mad for Forny. Once
they once saved, let everyone go. He then stands up
(20:54):
with the knife and goes, let's go back and get
them like this seems a little a little late in
the day in this and but yeah, it's like a
moral maybe he knew, like there's no chance to go
down back. I'm just sort to stake my claim its
moral high ground in the past tense. Yeah, I don't
know how. I mean, I'm a bigger guy. I would
(21:14):
weigh the boat down. But I also I'm quite active.
I feel like i'd be okay rowan wise, I do.
I knew. I use a rowing machine from time to time.
I think I'd be okay with this set of rules.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
With this. Yeah, in the original story, it would probably
be well out of there Titanic rules.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I'm gonna I'll sit down with the band on the boat,
dressed in my finest to prepare to like gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I can say I'm happy jumping this. Sorry, I'm always
jumping around in the story.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I don't know how. I guess we kind of spoiling
a lot of things already.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
But there's quite a I was quite I liked the
ending as well.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
It's quite.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
At first you think, oh, yeah, super happy ending, but
it actually adds quite there's quite a bitter edge the
actual end, which.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Is which I quite I quite liked.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
And then actually it tells you that it was based
on truth, sorry, even though we have changed very loosely,
but which it doesn't say.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
So it's quite quite an It surprised me powerful ending.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I thought as well, it's quite an intriguing ending as
well as to what would what would happen to that guy?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
What should happens that guy?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, well, I mean there's compared to the true story,
it's even more of a bitter ending because okay, we'll
talk about the actual ending of the film and what
the real life thing. So yeah, at the end of it,
they've they've cast off all of the all of the weak,
they've cast him aside. Alec is when when Frony stands
up and wants to go back to get the others,
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he pulls a knife. Alec pulls a flag on so
Adac gets a knife to the chest and gets a flair,
casts him overboard and kills him. But then Alec had
just made this big speech like no dead weight on
the boat. Everyone on him must pull their way anyone
falls down over the side, you go. And he gets
(23:05):
stabbed in the chest with a knife and can't row.
Oh the irony. And so he can't row and he's like,
don't waste water from me. He cast himself. He marks
the second in command of the communications guy and just
kind of leaps into the water. But they the buggers
go in and save him. They put him out. The
(23:26):
biggest regret and they probably has is they pull him
out and they save him and they're like, no, brave captain,
thank you for saving us. We love you. And then
a boat arrives and it's it's been like only a
few hours since they survived the storm, only a few
hours since they cast everyone else to a certain death.
And then his boat arrives and everyone everyone literally turns
(23:48):
their back on him. Yeah, oh oh, just what was
the like just a few hours too early?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, too soon?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
And because the boat arrives and everyone suddenly has like
they're all happy, and then they kind of like look
down and I think, oh, no, the realization that everyone
could have possibly survived. Maybe it's unclear, it's all hypothetical.
And so the boat arrives and ale consists on flimbing
aboard on his own for everybody else, and they had
(24:21):
to get the voice at the end that he was
as he was arrested and sentenced to six months in prison,
which was the minimum nature the minimum length of term
due to the nature of the circumstances like necessity. But
in real life, he wasn't the guy in charge. There
was another captain of the boat who when they kind
of they came in and there were survivors, they couldn't
(24:43):
find the guy as they found they found his like
other crewman. The only one they could find was Alec
and they arrested him, which just.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Seems it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, I just don't get why they arrested that other guy,
so they.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Had they had. It's literal escapegoat is we're gonna blame someone.
This guy was there, his fault, which just the lunar thing.
But when when the boat arrives, when Alec is like
seeing it, his eyes are all fuzzy. He's just been
in the water and it's you can see some of
the people stood on the sides of the boat are
(25:19):
the people that was cast off the call it a lifeboat,
you know, cast off their boat into the sea and
do you think that's in his head?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Think definitely, no, definitely his head. For me, I quite
like that, well, at least how I saw it.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I thought it was a bit ghostly images because he
was a bit struggling a bit.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Anyways, he's been it's shot shoulder. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I saw that as a kind of a delirious Nightmary
sort of ghost thing.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
So I really liked that bit. Yeah, but yeah, yeah,
I think I.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Guess you could take it as as there are in there.
But but now in my mind, definitely not. I think, yeah,
they wouldn't have survived that storm unless before sed on.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
But let me that's what I was thinking. That boats kind
of if that boat was following them and stop picking
one up, would be very lucky. And then the film
ends with the how would you have voted guilty more innocent?
And we're gonna ask the question guilty or innson?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
I I'm a bit of a logical person. I think
I would I would say innocent. I would I I'd
kind of probably would side with the captain to be honest. Well,
I don't know, well I would if I was in charge,
and I don't know, probably more on paper, I would
side do what the captain did. But if I was
actually there then I'm probably too weak. I'd be like, oh,
(26:41):
that's it.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Like all the people on the boat. He doesn't cast
people over the side himself. He makes his the crew
do it. But he has to do it at GUNPOINTE
keeps saying.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I'm only doing this a good point.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
It's just like assumed gunpoint. The gun is not out.
If anything, there's no bullets left in it. He used
to use more to try and shoot a shark, which
when he shot the shark it took him a six pots,
which you know it would take me a lot more.
So that's not no completely good about that. But when
the shark dies, there's this massive wave of water just
chucked over the boat. The shark exploded, and it's it's
(27:17):
so much water it requires four people would be bailing
out for a while.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I from it. He must have had a a.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
You just say, you smile, Yeah, I agree that it
would be on paper he made the right decision. I
guess it all depends on the lawyers and how it's
presented in court, isn't it Like if you have a
particularly persuasive lawyer who like words, it will probably because
no one like we weren't there. He was there, but
(27:46):
all of the people there, as the people on the
boat were going to be like, oh we didn't we
told him he shouldn't do this. We were all we
reckon that. We probably would have survived if everyone, you know,
So it's like one against eleven survivors. That Edith seemed
to be kind on his side at the end, but
whether she would have remained so in court, I don't know.
She seemed pretty self serving as a character. So yeah,
(28:09):
I can understand why he was eventually cast sentenced to guilty,
but it also seems a lenient sentence given it was
the minimum he could serve. So yeah, it's an interesting conundrum.
But have you seen The Mist?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I have seen The Miss?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yes, so ending very reminiscent of the ending for the
Mist mean that you know, these decisions are made and
then moments later, yeah, good things arrive Thomas Jane film.
So it always everything comes back to deeper Sea at
some point, it has to. That's what the podcast is nice.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeh didn't I didn't think of it that way, but yeah,
I know that is Yeah, it just kind of a
similar one.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It didn't feel as much of a gut punch as
that film was.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Oh yeah, because the guy doesn't show his son in.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
The fest more survivors. Still, yeah, I know you mean,
I know what you mean. Also, interest, I did find somewhere.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I can't remember where it must have been because I'm
struggling to find proof of that again, but I think
it's just random. Fact is that I think it was
the first and only film that Tyrone power stad In
that was made under his own production company. So he
was kind of really heavily behind this film.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I mean that makes sense. He is in every shot,
He's like front and center. He really carried, he does
extra performance. He passed not long after. I think this
was one of his his last films. That he died
the following year, fifty eight. He's forty four.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, and interesting as well, he was because it was
directed by Richard Sale, but he wrote it as well,
and it's based on a short story.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
He wrote, and he's probat quite rare.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Back then, I think roles were usually more delineated than
in that era. He didn't get quite as many directors.
Well you don't always get loads now, but you certainly
seem to get more that i'm aware of.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I'm not quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, I can't say that there's many that I am
aware of either. But this was his last film too,
Richard Sales, Really I will according to Wikipedia. Yeah, see
if IMDb agrees, no, not writer director, you only directed
fourteen Okay, definitely, it's fourteen more than I've done. He
(30:33):
had two TV episodes after this. He had eighteen to
be episode, seventeen episodes of Yancey Derringer, whatever that is,
and one of the High the High Chaparral. This was
his last film, which was two years after he did
Gentlemen Marry Brunettes the sequel. But this is I think
his only film we would cover on this show. There's
(30:54):
nothing else that seems particularly wet or shark filled. I
was going through the cast and there's not a lot
of other aquatic films across the CV of most of
the cast or crew. There's a couple of them, like
you know, World War two submarine films started around here
and now or boat films, but nothing. There's no like
a hidden shark movie in the career, which is you know,
(31:18):
makes sense. They they became very popular some years later,
twenty in fact, eighteen. Yeah, this is not a problem
with these films, but they're very straightforward. So you know,
you talk about them, you talk about that, we've been
through the plot, we've been through the characters, and it's
kind of not this isn't a bad thing. No, no,
(31:40):
there's just there's fewer talking points.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah, I think, I think, to be honest, it's kind
of I actually I've quite had a soft spot for
films like that. I kind of like stripped back films
that are a bit like kind of no nonsense.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
It it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
It doesn't add a lot of extra fluff, as you say,
maybe a few too many characters, so there's a little
fluff and that's kind of aspect, but it just kind
of sticks to its guns. It doesn't I'd like a
film like that.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I kind of feel sometimes.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Films these days tend to feel like they have to
have more. Is kind of they feel like people people
are gonna accept something that's very simple and just about
one or two things. They want lots of plot, lots
of side stories, lots of lots of everything. Just there's
lots and I like I like things that keep it
simple sometimes, although it's still like over the top baction
(32:31):
movies now getting.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Too Yeah, I mean there's there's a space for all
kinds of films.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I one question this one does pose as well as
guilty anism is the value of one person over another.
Because they look at the people that are cast over
the side are include an atomic scientist, a playwright, and
a form of opera singer to be saved by, in
the words of Edith, two ape men, a racketeer, and
(32:55):
a devout coward. So she says, why are the Wicked
so strong? Is her comment on that. So it's interesting,
But they don't really dwell. I guess they don't dwell
too much because it's not that long of a film.
It's only just ninety.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's but that content is there's
the thing it makes you think, as I say, that's
what I most enjoyed about this was the whole moral
dilemma aspect.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
It made you think, what would you do? Is he right?
It's yeah, it's the kind of film I like.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I like it when it doesn't spend too long on
it to try and spell out the right answer and
tell you what to think. It gives you a bit
more work. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
So what other films were in the box set with this,
any others that you'd recommend.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Oh, no, other seafaring ones.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
But I actually the whole the whole set was really
good actually, because, to be honest, before I, before I
viewed it, I was slightly it almost didn't take it because,
as I say.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
On the front, on the front cover, it looked like
just war films.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
In war films, I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Not a massive war film guy.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I'm kind of warming to them in my as I
approach it, well approach, and I'm probably in there now,
but now in middle age, I think I'm getting a
bit of a dad a dad taste in movies. And
but yeah, but they were all decent, that the films
in there, But there were more of a mixture. As
I say, I actually watched them a bit out of order.
The first one I watched was Bridget Remagen, and that
(34:25):
is a proper kind of straight up war movie.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
But it's a really decent one. It's it was.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
It was made in the late sixties, which was a
really strange time to make a war film during Vietnam
and all that, and it flopped badly because of that.
But watching it now out of in a different context.
It's it's it's a really spectacular It's one of these
kind of just actually go out and then higher loads
of tanks and blow up loads of stuff, like properly
(34:50):
kind of film.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
And I love seeing that.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Like again, I don't know, I'm sounding like an old
man's film. They don't do it like that anymore, but
it is true, Like I mean, some films do still
do things real. I mean, like the Mission Possible films
are trying and do some some bits and pieces for real.
And but there's something about watching like a building being
an actual building being exploded, or a bridge getting exploded,
(35:16):
just things like that. Seeing that for real is just
it's impressive and because you know it's real and it's exciting,
Whereas if you see some c jack explosion going off,
it can still be part of a fun film, but
it's you don't get the same thrill from that particular effect,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, in Abandoned Ship, you know, all these people were
on the water, however, having an awful time. Probably it's
just not that actors need to suffer for a film
to be good. But if you've seen The Shark Is Broken,
the play about the making of jewels.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I'm not seeing it.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I've heard of it. It's good, but it just looks
like they're making of jewels. Was an awful experience for
they just had to wait around being really irritated by
everybody around them for weeks on end.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
But yeah, as I say that, the rest of the
set's really good as well the other ones.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
There's one called counter Attack, and that's I mean, it's
got a very different story from abandon Ship, but like
a bandonship, it's it's it's really kind of a intimate
chamber piece. What happens is these I won't go too
much in this story, but what ends up happening is
mostly after a kind of a bit more of an
(36:33):
epic opening, you end up being trapped in the basement
of a factory with two Russian, two Russians.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
With a hero and the heroes and then a big
bunch of.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Like six Nazi Nazis and but the Russians have a gun,
so they have the upper hand. But the problem is
they're sitting in the dark in this and they're outnumbered
in this, trapped in this basement. So basically, and Paul
Paul Muni plays the kind of the male Russian and
(37:08):
is with Margaret Marguerite Chapman, who's like a female soldier
and he's basically he ends up having to stay awake
as long as possible to stop these Germans from killing
them because because she gets injured, she ends up getting injured,
so she's not much used after a little while. So
it's a really tense and tense kind of small scale
chamber piece. That was That was really cool. I enjoyed
(37:30):
that a lot. And then the last film in the
set was my favorite, and that was King Rat and
that's one I've kind of heard of, but I didn't
really know much about it, and that's a prisoner of
war film. It's set in a Japanese prisoner of war
camp June, World War two, and yeah, it just kind
of it mainly revolves around this guy called Corporate Corporal
(37:53):
Kings played by George Siegel, and he and he's whereas
everyone around him is really ruggling. They all look kind
of malmourished. And it's a very sweaty film. Speaking of
Twelve Angry Men, that's another sweaty film. This is very
everyone's sweaty. But he but he like at the moment
you're introduced him. He's got he's got slickly combed hair,
(38:15):
he's wearing a proper a nice kind of nicely kind
of cleaned uniform, and he's kind of living it high
on this prisoner camp because he's kind of he's got
the he's he's been grifting everyone. Basically, he's been he's
been kind of doing dodgy trading with the with the
the officers that that are trapped there as well as
some of the Japanese and and it goes and it
(38:38):
kind of top you kind of follow him, and also
the film really revolves about his his his friendship with
an English an English soldier played by James Fox, and
it kind of goes on from there, and it's just
really good.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It's it's quite unusual. It's really really nicely shot.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
It's got a eazing cast because you got like Denimle
in there, Tom Courtney, yeah, and Leonard.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
No More for his TV roll, Sure Mills.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Joe Turkle, the bartender from The Shining.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, it's just it's really good.
I definitely recommend that. I enjoyed enjoyed that a lot.
So yeah, that so it was great. Actually, it's it's
it's I was, as I say, not that I was
expecting it to be bad, but it was. I was
pleasantly surprised. It was stronger than I expected. I think
I took it onto review just mogs. It looked a
bit of fun and because Imprints send the finished boxes
(39:37):
and I thought, yeah, box, that awesome.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
But no, I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, really good, nice, excellent. King King Rat sounds right
up my street, I think, so to my watch list,
w recovering on this show.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Of course, no water in that film. Very dry, very sweaty.
There's a lot of sweat thats.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Like sometimes will be like, oh they have a drink
of water in that scene. We can cover it. No, No, Mark, No,
there's enough. There's so many sharp films. We can go
so much, so much we can do. Raddy Harden he's
making like three films a year. We're sometimes they get
released and no one knows. He made a film called
Refuge apparently got released two years ago.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
It's not anywhere. No one told me. Yeah, I'm still
trying to find that one. Uh good, Okay, I mean
we've been through all the notes, so cald for for
abandoned ship. So it's yeah, seven waves away, I think
is a fine title for it, because you know that
thing like the seventh wave being a big, a big
wave in the storm's gonna take you over what the
(40:46):
heck is seven days from now on?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
About I was trying to think like that, I the
only on the on the life for seven days. He
doesn't feel like that one.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
No, like a day, I think, yeah, because when when it?
When it? I saw it seven days from now? That
feels like a bit of a spoiler as to how
long they're going to be on this boat. But I
reckon they're going to be saved, oh in about a week,
But no, they're not on it from anywhere near that long.
It just seems a ridiculous title.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
The only thing I might just mention that we haven't
talked about is well, a couple of things, well just
thinking thinking about as you mentioned earlier, is very similar
to life Boat. It's it's been a little while since
I've seen life boat now, But I guess for me,
I think I prefer life Boat. But I did like
this a lot. As I say, this surprised me, but
(41:35):
I think it helped. I'd never heard of it and
it just kind of came out of nowhere. I think
Lifeboat is a I mean, and I don't think I'm
just saying this because it's directs a BYuT the ditch,
But I think the directions more interesting and visually it's
more interesting there is that's it's it really makes the
most out of this small location.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
But it's quite a different film.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
As I say, I don't think life but really it's
less hinging on that kind of basic survival.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
It kind of ends up. It brings its own mysteries
and thrills in their.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Lifeboat feels more like more like an ensemble. This is
clearly like Tyrone Power is in the lead, everyone else
is supporting him. Lifeboat feels more like, you know, it's
it's we have these ten to start with people, and
you get more in depth, more character from them, the
ones who are still around at the end. You've really
(42:28):
gotten to know to know them and who they are
and what they're doing. Whereas there's no like, wait, who
was that character? Oh, they're flowing into the difference.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Throwaway characters in modern more ways.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Absolutely, Yeah, as you say that, it's just more interesting direction.
Nothing against the direction of there's some aspects of visuals.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
I didn't mind that. I kind of I kind of liked.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
I felt like maybe it was just just me, but
it felt like the camera scene quite loads to watch
in a good way. It kind of really kind of
put you in, especially at the start, you really felt
like you were in there.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
And that with them, I thought that is quite well done.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
And there is one really nice shot when they are
really nice sequence when they shoot they shoot a flare
gun off at night and it's kind of a bit
of a hopeless gesture because somebody thought they saw something
but it's probably just a star. But the visual of
them all looking up at that and the way the
light changes. But then also what's a nice touch at
the end of that is when just as the flare
(43:25):
is going out and light fades, that's when I can't
remember exactly what he says, but that's when Tian Power
gives some kind of buleak kind of statement about their
chances or something like that, and that was a nice
little touch. So there are some nice visual touches, even
if it's not as skillfully directed as as Life Boat is.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
But I say I enjoyed them both in their own ways.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, this isn't so this isn't a laugh a minute,
and it's an interesting drama. There was at one point
where Torrey Power, he says quite loudly, like, if only
didn't have so many people on this boat, what if
you encaptulated the part of the film you thought.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
If if only they could have tried to paddle their
way to that other rafting that had righted the start
of the.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Film, tie them together some other debris, Yeah, debris at the.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Start, there's a cello floating somewhere that could probably be
strode on for buoyancy. And when they find out that
the signal isn't sent of there's like a major general
character on the boat who still is like real Adam,
like no, they're gonna like send planes over to try
and find us, And the response from Manic is like
(44:41):
that man is a fool. Just move away.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
And also, going back to the sharks, it's the deeply
podcast We've got to bring the sharks. It did seem
a surprise that because at this start of the film
they we were terrified of the sharks right rightfully so,
but after they kind of shoot one of them, they
just just kind of forgotten about completely.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Didn't really come back to it. That's it.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
No one actually gets eaten. We don't see anyone eating,
which you know, always a shame. They don't seem they're
only temporarily a threat and then the storm becomes a
throat and then they're saved and like, no, the sharks
did not understand this as a shark movie podcast. We
need films with sharks and then what are they doing
to us? But yeah, I mean I am always happy
(45:26):
that they're there. It's rare like these kind of films
for them to be like there's another danger in the water.
Normally it's just like ol West, We're lost at sea.
It's bad. It's bad enough. Hey, sharks too great, fantastic,
but yeah, not not enough of them and very much
just you know, b roll of sharks. Don't don't shoot
(45:48):
with the sharks anyway. So when we talk about films,
there's three things I like to do, which is work
out how deep, how blue? And I think this is
new since you were last time, how much at sea
the films are because this is depu st and we
were missing a whole third of a way we could
rate these films. So the listeners, this is your first
time listening to the show Welcome, Hello, Join us. When
(46:11):
I go through, I try and work out what depth
all the action is taking place at, how blue everything
on screen is, and how much of the film takes
place at sea. This is the easiest film to have
done that with in the entire world, because you know,
compared to Deep Blue Z, which is as everyone by
now knows, is approximately fourteen and a half meters of
(46:33):
forty seven and a half feet deep, thirty one percent
blue and eighty nine percent at sea. I'm not even
going to ask you to guess, because we all know
the abandoned ship takes place entirely on the surface. I
did factor in the little bit where he climbs the
ladder at the end, so all in this works out
as being one centimeter above surface level or point zero
(46:56):
two feet, which compared to Lifeboat was life you think
it'll be the same Lifeboat actually, because there is a
bit in Lifeboat where they go down that he like
dives into the water or the underwater a little bit,
which so that's one centimeter below the surface of the water.
So this is two centimeters different. So it's fifty sixth
(47:17):
in our ranking. It is slightly higher than life Boats,
slightly lower than the reef blueness. This is another we're
adding this to the zero percent blue one of four
black and white films we've covered so far. So it's
down there with Lifeboat, the Lighthouse, A Mutiny on the Bunty,
and zero percent, and then at Sea. We've only been
doing this for a little while, so I've only got
twenty six films on the sea ranking at the moment,
(47:40):
actually twenty eight. I should say this is at the
top because this is ninety nine point five percent of
this takes place at sea, as just zero point five percent,
which is the opening titles. Okay, well, I mean there
is a opening titles on the sea, but it's like that,
it's the studio logos.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
I can't remember what studio it is, but that is
zero point five percent of the film is Sudois and
I think, oh, so, I wonder what. Let's just go
and check what life Boat is because this isn't good.
Take long to work out for Lifeboat. So I did
check for life Boat as well. Life Boat ninety nine
point six six percent at sea because the opening titles
take up slightly less of the film than they do
(48:19):
in abandoned Ship, So life Boat is now top of
the list, then it's abandoned Ship, then it's Sea Fever
is third with eighty nine point nine percent. Sea Fever
isn't an Irish hm hmm. It's like it's kind of
a creature feature, but it's like a creature that attacks
on it's got a disease that affects the crew. It's fun.
(48:39):
It's a decent film that came out in the pandemic,
so it just kind of got buried or sunk, I
guess you can say. But it's worth checking out, and
it is on Disney Plus if you want to. It
stars Hamioni Corefield, who was in Renny Harlan's The Misfits
playing Pierce Prosidan Secret Order anyway, that would do it
for Abandonedship David, which dies to plug.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Oh well, yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Blueprint reviews, I've been busy as usual writing loads of reviews.
I've got a review of the box set that we
just discussed earlier that just went up recently. And I
also reviewed Ivy from Imprint recently. And yeah, there's always stuff.
I'm always I'm always posting stuff on there, so keeping
(49:23):
eye Blueprint review dot co dot uk.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
And you'll find some reviews from me over there. Most
in recent years it's mainly shark films, and so this
year they're not up yet because we're recording this a
little early. But twenty twenty five releases Dangerous Animals and
Fear below. I'll have reviews for those over there soon.
You may have already heard Mark and I discussed them
on this podcast. By the time this comes out, I
(49:45):
don't know, because this is we're banking this episode. This
is like it'll come out in a couple of months,
I think, because our schedule is all over the shop.
So next week, I don't know. Next week might be
Mark and I talking abou the swimming pool scene from
it follows, we'll see. That's what's currently on the schedule,
but it keeps changing because new releases keep coming out.
(50:07):
I don't know how'm coming out, and I have to
keep bumping films anyway. So yeah, that'll do it for
Abandoned Ship, seven Waves Away, seven days from now, whatever
you want to call it that, I'll do it for that.
It's a fun film. It is on YouTube. I wouldn'tcommend
watch it on YouTube because they stick adverts in every
five minutes, regardless what's happening, and it's quite frustrating. So
(50:30):
if you can watch a proper version, I would recommend
doing that because my wife abandoned it because the ad
was getting anoying and they started talking about eating dogs
and she's like, no, this isn't the film for me,
and she went away. Actually I don't blame her, but
thank you once again to my guest David Brook. Would
you wanted me to talk about this? No, not a problem.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I always happened to go on the show.
Speaker 6 (50:51):
I have been Jake Glue and we'll deep blue sea
you next week. St
Hello, and welcome to Deep Blue sy the podcast. I
am J Kler on this show, and we've been through
the entire Deep Blue Sea trilogy, scene by scene. We're
doing it again, but not this week. We're talking about
one of those deeply see adjacent films. So we talk about
so much. There's a film's directed by Ronnie Harlan or
featuring aquatic action or sharks, and this is a film
that does briefly feature sharks, but it's mainly a quatic action.
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It is abandoned Ship sorry, abandoned ship exclamation mark, also
known as seven Waves Away or seven days from now
if you want just a really title that makes no
sense at all for the film. What is this film?
What is? From nineteen fifty seven. It's a British film
Drift by Richard Sale stars Tyrone Power as the executive
officer on a ship, the SS Crescent Star, which is
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going across at the Atlantic, hits a mine, sinks in
seven minutes with over a thousand people on board, all
of whom perish sorry souls on board. It's always sold
the bard Apart from thirty seven. I think we follow
most of them as they are boord board the fairly
small boat they're all on. And it turns out after
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a while that in order for everyone to survive, or
some people to survive, some others will need to be sacrificed,
and it's up to Holmes to make that decision. This
is the film. I hadn't really heard it before the
guest today, so hey, we shure about this and it's
like great talk about it. So to talk more about
Seven Waves Away of Bana Jip the He's been on
the show a few times. There was lost on in
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October for chapter one Deep from Blueprint Review. It's David Brook. David,
welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Hello, there is a pleasure to be back, Yes Ford,
to have you back.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yes. So seven what should we call this abandoned Ship?
We'll stick with abandoned Ship, which is I think the
US titled. So is this something that you had a
film you'd heard of before, you'd come across it before.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Well no, not really, not at all.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
It was I was sent a copy of Imprint Films
Tales of Adventure Volume six review, which which first one
I kind of asked the review it it just looked
like all war movies. But actually, in the end, although
there's a bit of war and quite a few of them.
It's more of a mixture of tales of survival really,
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and this was on there.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I'd never heard of it before.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I just thought it sounded kind of interesting, so I
watched it for review, and as I said, when I.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Realized how Blue and Sea it wasn't and there were.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Some sharks, I thought, I'll check if as Jay is
aware of this film, because it's quite obscure. Just I
haven't really heard of it, Yes, I just I just
it was a total random selection for me.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Fair enough. Well, it was on our spreadsheet. I think
Howard Kasner mentioned it recently. He was just on the
episode that came out on the show today jugging another
British boat film. Yeah, this, so I said, I had
no idea what this was going in. Let's watch this
and great and it was very reminiscent of the film
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with Your Lost Time. Yeah, lifeboat a bunch of people's
survivorship thinking and we just see that that survival play out.
So when it comes to how deep and how blue,
this film is very similar stance to life Yeah, very
very similar so but also very easy to work out.
So that's that's my favorite kind of film to cover.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Entirely set on and so yeah, there's no there's not
even any little bookends. What I do like about this
actually is launched into anyway, is the I did like
the opening title sequence because it's kind of it's it's
just it's just it has the credits going over a
shot of the ways the ocean, and then suddenly it slowly,
just after the last credit, it ends on a mine
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which then explodes you off into the film, which I
just thought was a really cool, straight to the point,
just getting on with it kind of opening.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I liked that, Yeah, that's it's it's it's fun. I agree.
I was like, I'll try my cat. What is that thing?
Just kind of bobby, I think that was the mind
after a little while. But then yeah, just it blows
up and you're in and we then we don't see
much of the ship going down. That's not what this film.
This isn't idanic, that's not what that's about. It's about
what happens afterwards. We see like all the all the debris,
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the wreckage just kind of floating. You get a bit
of narration because you see some like sharks swimming around
in narration it's like once you've gone down, you've become
aware of living, you become aware of the dead. And
it like stops on this floating doll like a children
just kind of bobbing in the water's ards. I don't
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I wasn't wear all the production value of the films,
Like is that supposed to be a person? Clearly it's
clearly just a doll. But I think it's supposed to
be a doll. And it's like emphasizing there are children
aboard this boat and maybe they haven't made it, but
we are throwing a bit of a a curve to
start with. When young guy Tyrone Power his real name,
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I cannot get past that Tyrone Power his real name name,
like the same name as his dad. He's like I
think he's like Tyrone Power the third or something, because
like if you have that name, you're going to keep
that name going. That's a great yeah, man Max Power
from the Simpsons. There when the changes his name, he
goes onto this there's like a floating box of some
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kind and it was not really rather for about it's
like a box that's got three people want it already,
and you think, oh, this is going to be this
is where we're going. This is the group that he's with,
and like a dog shows up and there's a body
on there and it's a steward. It's like Stuart George
and was like, oh is he okay? Like no, just
tips him into the water.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Well that's one of the things. I mean, we might
get this later. That's one of the things I like that.
This is how brutal it is, like and this is
from the what years this fifty seven and then I
guess films were getting dark after World War Two that
you do see like so that's when the film noir
gets really wa and but but yeah, just like but
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it's very open about it. You quite often find films
of this era they'll approach dark subject matter. They're not,
but but they'll usually use euphemisms and things like this.
So you'll see things will be off camera. But here
it's like dead body chunk. You see it all getting
shot at you get you see quite a few dead
bodies getting shot over the edge of boats and live
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bodies yes, oh yeah, yeah, well yeah, the only explosist
system comes to euphemisms.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I was reading into it is like one of the
characters might be into the being gay. That's like, that's
what the euphemism system gets into. They will kill people,
it will show dead bodies, but it's not gonna say yeah, yeah,
but yeah. So Alex Holmes, he's on this bot on
this block. There's an engineer, there's a couple of passengers,
ones like sad about his wife, one's sad about her daughter.
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And he sees another lady bobbing in the water, and
so he jumps in to go and save the lady,
but you can't make it back to the block, ends
up going to the overcrowded boat, and then we never
see that raft thing ever again. What happened to the
engineer on there?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And the dog?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
What one of these you never see him again. That's it.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
There's one reference because because it isn't the the husband
of everyone of the ladies is on there.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
But that's that's pretty much that reference.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
They discussed that at one point and then it's kind
of yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
That was an odd, odd decision, like they wouldn't happen
these days. You'd be like, they get on the boat,
boat set away and you just see that the block
sinking in the background. I don't know. So he makes
it over to over to the shore boats a shore boat.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
That's one of the points that that's one of the
that kind of leans into the kind of harsher aspects
of the survival of the reason they have to take
which extreme measures. Laterly is that later sorry, is that
it's not actually last lifeboat. A lifeboat would have more space,
they'd have more provisions on there, where this is just
designed to go to short so on you got a
few bits and pieces on there. It's designed for is
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it nine or seven? They said they've got enough stuff
for nine, could stretch to fourteen.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, and they've got a lot more than that. They've
got like twenty eight. Yeah. And when he's on the
rafts to start with, he's like, ah, that boat over
there is in trouble. They got too many people already,
And then he ends up having to go over there
as it is, and then what once he gets there,
it's very much like a kind of one location. These
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people are all stuck together as like twelve angry men
on a lifeboat shore boat going and it's just like
character drama where eventually half of them get killed. Yeah, yeah,
it's just kind of playing because the captain's on there
already but he's dying and so yeah, so he passes
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command over to Alec and then it's just all of these,
all these characters, I will argue, possibly too many characters,
which I guess is the point of the people for kill.
But there's a there's a lot, and they all they
all have something going on there. But they've all got
a character, they've all got a name, they've all got
a plate of some description that some of them more
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than others. There were a few characters later at towards
the end, were like, wait, who is this person? Who
is this cabin boy? Has he been here the whole time?
I don't think he has? But were there any any standouts?
Few amongst the amongst the boat survivors.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
The I mean, I do think I do like Tyrone Power.
I think he did a good job in the lead.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
But in terms of the kind of minor roles and
and and it's quite like he's the character plays godfriend
and she was decent, and some of the other ones.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Are a bit hit and miss I'm trying to think.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
There's the But the the other lady on the on
the on the boat, she was, she was, she was,
She's kind of equally annoying but also kind of good.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
She was very memorable. She has some stronger moments.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I like the bit when she kind of strips off
and dives in the water, shows them that she can.
She's a really strong swimman too, which comes in handy
into helping her paste later on.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I guess, yeah, yeah, she's she's certainly of the supporting
car She's one of the more more prominent ones, like
Cat is everybody pasted Alec and yeah, Julie my Zettling,
who I didn't. I thought she was a little bit
Wouolden personally, but you know, it's I guess it's an
extreme situation, so a state of shock. Yeah. I liked Edith.
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She was very, very kind of vocal. She kept on
calling him brave Captain, but in a way that yeah,
she's complimenting him, but it sounds like an insult every time.
And she's played by Moil Lista. Yeah she's she's excellent
and yeah, she has a strong personality, kind of stands
out from the rest of the other.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, a lot of the other character are a little bland.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, yeah, there's some Yeah, there's some bit of stereo
types in their occasion. You've got the kind of looks
like a bit of a Mathio sa type guy.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Mister Feroni. The guy was a switchblade in his booket. Yeah,
So when I say everyone's got something going on, one
of some of those things is there's a lady with
broken ribs, that's what she's got going on. And she's
got a kid with a black eye. And I initial
thought was her husband the kid's father as there as well,
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and he's swallowed some engine oil. Apparently, My first thought
was like this broken ribs and a black eye. This
is this like an abusive guy who's gonna they're gonna
like get rid of him because he's abusive to the No, no,
this is all just somehow broken ribs and a black
eye being caused by a ship sinking is unusual, I
would say.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
But you know, I kind of thought like the kid
was gonna die because he was complaining about headaches and stuff.
I thought, Oh, he's probably got a concussion of something
and he gonna he's gonna randomly keel over.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
But I didn't really go down that route.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, the kid, kid doesn't do a lot, He's not
it's it's not a big boat. There's a lot of
people on it, but not everyone on the boat can
be seen all the time or knows everyone else is
on there. For instance, there is a dog on the
boat that lots of people on the boat don't know
his death. They're not where like, oh yeah, this character
has a not a small dog. It looks like some
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kind of poole kind.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I do like where they went with a dog, though,
because because initially, although thanks to me, they don't go
all the way. But but it's because because at first,
when you see this dog on there, really and when
they start arguing about whether it's on board, I'm thinking,
surely you're going to get rid of the dog.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
But then he makes a good point as to why
they keep the dog, and it's like, okay, wow, It's
like and again I mean that's because I really I
really enjoyed this.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I know we've kind of poked a few holes in it,
but I actually I liked it quite a bit, sure,
I think, but I think mainly for I'm quite a
sucker for a good moral dilemma, and this film is
all about the moral and that really appealed to me.
And also just how dark it gets, as I say,
talking about eating dogs and things like that it's just
really I just I love seeing old films that are
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just afraid to just just go all out there and
then and lay it all on the line. And so
I liked it quite a lot in that sense. It's
flawed definitely, and as I say, the performance is at
all great, and it kind of shows its budget ocation.
The shark shots are clearly kind of like stock footage,
cut away sort of things. But I don't know, and
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I did feel they although the sharks didn't feel like real,
it kind of convincingly felt as though he were on
the water. The camera's got a lot of bobbing around
with it and stuff, and people looked suitably draggled. Sometimes
in all the films that they don't look all that.
They're still wearing quite nice clothes and their hair still
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done up. They kind of look pretty rough in this
and it's so no, Yeah, I thought it did a
good job.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I don't mean to imploy that like I thought it was.
It was. It was great, you know, for a film
i'd never heard of, didn't know where it was going
to go, just kind of stuck it on one evening,
let's see what happens. I had I had a good time.
But yeah, it is. I mean, I like the comparison
to a hungremente. I'd love to have angry men. So
any kind of film that's like that kind of situation
of it's just these people are stuck together in this
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confined space. Let's see what happens. That's always that's usually interesting.
And yeah, there is a pretty hefty moral dilemma here
that doesn't shy away from asking at the the end
of the film is all what you have done? So,
I mean, we'll getther, we'll gether. But yeah, so, I
mean the main the main crux of this is the boats.
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The boat's too small. They've got I wrote down they've
got seventeen people in the boat and a dog and
nine people in the sea, just kind of hanging on
to the side of the boat. And there's sharks. One
character was like, the sharks look at me like I'm
a steak and kidney pie. Like great. They have shark
repellent which they kind of tie onto a thing onto
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the side of the boat and it just puts something
in the water that the sharks don't like.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Is that a real thing?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Then? That that was one bit I was like, I
thought I was just something from Batman the movie.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
That was my first thought as well. I mean, I
think I think it is the kind of a thing,
but in the same way that you eat get those
sprays like stop foxes from winging in the garden. They
work to an extent, but not like some foxes are
still going to come in, and so like the problem
is they've only got a limited amount of this shark
repellent and they use it immediately because there's sharks around,
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which fair enough, and then they run out and then
they decide even with people hanging onto the side, there's
not enough provisions. They've got enough enough water for like
one cup per person. They've only got a limited sply
of not even that great food. It's like you biscuits,
that's about sugar, biscuits, sugar and condensed milk. It's what
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they have on board. So a real balanced diet there.
And so there's one there's an injured guy who's like
a chief engineer or a deck office or something. He
played by Lloyd Nolan, who he was trying to fix,
trying to fix an air conditioner and he's like, now
I'm fun of that air conditioner could exploded on it
and he knows he's dying, and he tells Holmes like
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that he needs to he needs he's he's got to
evict some of the tenants, anyone who can't pay the rent,
like he thought. He thought I could have the guts
to save half of them instead of losing them all.
So the crux is not that if they have everyone
in the boat, they are going to die. If they
get rid of some of them, the rest of them
might live. And so Alec takes it upon himself to choose.
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This is This is semi based on a true story.
From where was it? It was from eighteen forty one which
American ship also called the Crescent, had far fewer people,
and thirty one went down when it when it sank,
and there was sixteen on a lifeboat, and then half
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of them were killed.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I thought it was Williams. I thought it's called the
William Brown.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah Brown. There was another thing there was There was
saying saved by the yeah, I picked up They were
picked up by the person William Brown. You're right. And
in that instance they the people that were saved were
the women and children, and they sacrificed lots of the men,
but not they sacrificed the male passengers, but they kept
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the male crew from the boat, and they kept the
women and the children, whereas in this instance most of
the women are the first to go.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, they just sacrificed for the week.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, Alex, I don't want women and children. I want
people who can row for fifteen hours a day and
walk on land at the end of it. Like I
see logic. Yes, fine, however this is going to be
unt to watch.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well, I guess one thing you didn't mention.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
I think, I think, and I think one of the
reasons one of the reasons they kind of they go
down and is also they did the ship.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Didn't manage to send out an S O S signal.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
The the it was destroyed.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
He got destroyed before they had chance. So they have
to try and get somewhere. So that's another reason why
they need less fewer passengers so they can actually roweople there.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And then like the nearest land is Africa, which is
some fifteen hundred miles away, in a very long way
to go. And like amongst the people on the board
they've got they've got Gordon Jackson from Great Escape who's
got two broken wrists. So can't roll. But he is
like the last to be let go. I was like, sure,
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this guy's going to like okay, thanks, thanks john By.
He's like the last and seems surprised when he's because
before him they let go the man who was drunk,
the engine oil, or the women with the broken reb
the various people who are seasick, the old, the older,
the older opera singer lady, and like the cabin boy,
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who's this eighteen year old guy who's like, oh, that's
he's probably going to be useful, but they cast him
off and keep them so like a much older guy
on the boat who I'm not trying to be ages here.
Maybe he was in better shape than the young guy,
but I was just surprised, like, yeah, these two, you mean,
I was surprised by some of their choices. And yeah,
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I guess when when Alec is starting out to plan,
he's planning on keeping he's like second in command Will McKinley,
who decides to go, yeah with one of it, with
the injured, with one of the injured people. Yeah, so
maybe he's like, oh damn, I was gonna get rid
of the kid and the old guy, and now I've
got the kids in the water already, so off you sorry, Yeah,
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so maybe that was that. Yeah, some of the people
that are kept don't seem like the best. But hey,
it's a stress situation. There's no there's no right answer. Yeah,
so how how do you think you would have fared
in that situation? If you would you have been saved?
Would you have saved people?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I am very skinny. I'd have to try and hide
house thin my wrists.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I mean like, yeah, but then that makes you lighter.
You're not way in the boat.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I'm stronger than a lot. That would be my argument.
I'd be begging. I certainly wouldn't be like the heroic
second mate. He'd be like, oh, I'm going to stay
with this and lady in the middle of the ocean,
I'd be.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Like certain, I'd be like elbow.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Ship.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, because like no one, no one's happy with the situation.
When when I proposes that I'm going to do deciding
here half of you bye bye, everyone's against it because
because everyone's like, well, I want to be saved. I
want to be saved. I don't want to be one
of people in the water, and some of them are
like have moral objections like the mad for Forny. Once
they once saved, let everyone go. He then stands up
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with the knife and goes, let's go back and get
them like this seems a little a little late in
the day in this and but yeah, it's like a
moral maybe he knew, like there's no chance to go
down back. I'm just sort to stake my claim its
moral high ground in the past tense. Yeah, I don't
know how. I mean, I'm a bigger guy. I would
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weigh the boat down. But I also I'm quite active.
I feel like i'd be okay rowan wise, I do.
I knew. I use a rowing machine from time to time.
I think I'd be okay with this set of rules.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
With this. Yeah, in the original story, it would probably
be well out of there Titanic rules.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I'm gonna I'll sit down with the band on the boat,
dressed in my finest to prepare to like gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I can say I'm happy jumping this. Sorry, I'm always
jumping around in the story.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I don't know how. I guess we kind of spoiling
a lot of things already.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
But there's quite a I was quite I liked the
ending as well.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
It's quite.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
At first you think, oh, yeah, super happy ending, but
it actually adds quite there's quite a bitter edge the
actual end, which.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Is which I quite I quite liked.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
And then actually it tells you that it was based
on truth, sorry, even though we have changed very loosely,
but which it doesn't say.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
So it's quite quite an It surprised me powerful ending.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I thought as well, it's quite an intriguing ending as
well as to what would what would happen to that guy?
Speaker 2 (22:22):
What should happens that guy?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, well, I mean there's compared to the true story,
it's even more of a bitter ending because okay, we'll
talk about the actual ending of the film and what
the real life thing. So yeah, at the end of it,
they've they've cast off all of the all of the weak,
they've cast him aside. Alec is when when Frony stands
up and wants to go back to get the others,
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he pulls a knife. Alec pulls a flag on so
Adac gets a knife to the chest and gets a flair,
casts him overboard and kills him. But then Alec had
just made this big speech like no dead weight on
the boat. Everyone on him must pull their way anyone
falls down over the side, you go. And he gets
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stabbed in the chest with a knife and can't row.
Oh the irony. And so he can't row and he's like,
don't waste water from me. He cast himself. He marks
the second in command of the communications guy and just
kind of leaps into the water. But they the buggers
go in and save him. They put him out. The
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biggest regret and they probably has is they pull him
out and they save him and they're like, no, brave captain,
thank you for saving us. We love you. And then
a boat arrives and it's it's been like only a
few hours since they survived the storm, only a few
hours since they cast everyone else to a certain death.
And then his boat arrives and everyone everyone literally turns
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their back on him. Yeah, oh oh, just what was
the like just a few hours too early?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, too soon?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
And because the boat arrives and everyone suddenly has like
they're all happy, and then they kind of like look
down and I think, oh, no, the realization that everyone
could have possibly survived. Maybe it's unclear, it's all hypothetical.
And so the boat arrives and ale consists on flimbing
aboard on his own for everybody else, and they had
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to get the voice at the end that he was
as he was arrested and sentenced to six months in prison,
which was the minimum nature the minimum length of term
due to the nature of the circumstances like necessity. But
in real life, he wasn't the guy in charge. There
was another captain of the boat who when they kind
of they came in and there were survivors, they couldn't
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find the guy as they found they found his like
other crewman. The only one they could find was Alec
and they arrested him, which just.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Seems it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, I just don't get why they arrested that other guy,
so they.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Had they had. It's literal escapegoat is we're gonna blame someone.
This guy was there, his fault, which just the lunar thing.
But when when the boat arrives, when Alec is like
seeing it, his eyes are all fuzzy. He's just been
in the water and it's you can see some of
the people stood on the sides of the boat are
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the people that was cast off the call it a lifeboat,
you know, cast off their boat into the sea and
do you think that's in his head?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Think definitely, no, definitely his head. For me, I quite
like that, well, at least how I saw it.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I thought it was a bit ghostly images because he
was a bit struggling a bit.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Anyways, he's been it's shot shoulder. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I saw that as a kind of a delirious Nightmary
sort of ghost thing.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
So I really liked that bit. Yeah, but yeah, yeah,
I think I.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Guess you could take it as as there are in there.
But but now in my mind, definitely not. I think, yeah,
they wouldn't have survived that storm unless before sed on.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
But let me that's what I was thinking. That boats kind
of if that boat was following them and stop picking
one up, would be very lucky. And then the film
ends with the how would you have voted guilty more innocent?
And we're gonna ask the question guilty or innson?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
I I'm a bit of a logical person. I think
I would I would say innocent. I would I I'd
kind of probably would side with the captain to be honest. Well,
I don't know, well I would if I was in charge,
and I don't know, probably more on paper, I would
side do what the captain did. But if I was
actually there then I'm probably too weak. I'd be like, oh,
(26:41):
that's it.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Like all the people on the boat. He doesn't cast
people over the side himself. He makes his the crew
do it. But he has to do it at GUNPOINTE
keeps saying.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I'm only doing this a good point.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
It's just like assumed gunpoint. The gun is not out.
If anything, there's no bullets left in it. He used
to use more to try and shoot a shark, which
when he shot the shark it took him a six pots,
which you know it would take me a lot more.
So that's not no completely good about that. But when
the shark dies, there's this massive wave of water just
chucked over the boat. The shark exploded, and it's it's
(27:17):
so much water it requires four people would be bailing
out for a while.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I from it. He must have had a a.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
You just say, you smile, Yeah, I agree that it
would be on paper he made the right decision. I
guess it all depends on the lawyers and how it's
presented in court, isn't it Like if you have a
particularly persuasive lawyer who like words, it will probably because
no one like we weren't there. He was there, but
(27:46):
all of the people there, as the people on the
boat were going to be like, oh we didn't we
told him he shouldn't do this. We were all we
reckon that. We probably would have survived if everyone, you know,
So it's like one against eleven survivors. That Edith seemed
to be kind on his side at the end, but
whether she would have remained so in court, I don't know.
She seemed pretty self serving as a character. So yeah,
(28:09):
I can understand why he was eventually cast sentenced to guilty,
but it also seems a lenient sentence given it was
the minimum he could serve. So yeah, it's an interesting conundrum.
But have you seen The Mist?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I have seen The Miss?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yes, so ending very reminiscent of the ending for the
Mist mean that you know, these decisions are made and
then moments later, yeah, good things arrive Thomas Jane film.
So it always everything comes back to deeper Sea at
some point, it has to. That's what the podcast is nice.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeh didn't I didn't think of it that way, but yeah,
I know that is Yeah, it just kind of a
similar one.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It didn't feel as much of a gut punch as
that film was.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Oh yeah, because the guy doesn't show his son in.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
The fest more survivors. Still, yeah, I know you mean,
I know what you mean. Also, interest, I did find somewhere.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I can't remember where it must have been because I'm
struggling to find proof of that again, but I think
it's just random. Fact is that I think it was
the first and only film that Tyrone power stad In
that was made under his own production company. So he
was kind of really heavily behind this film.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I mean that makes sense. He is in every shot,
He's like front and center. He really carried, he does
extra performance. He passed not long after. I think this
was one of his his last films. That he died
the following year, fifty eight. He's forty four.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, and interesting as well, he was because it was
directed by Richard Sale, but he wrote it as well,
and it's based on a short story.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
He wrote, and he's probat quite rare.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Back then, I think roles were usually more delineated than
in that era. He didn't get quite as many directors.
Well you don't always get loads now, but you certainly
seem to get more that i'm aware of.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I'm not quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, I can't say that there's many that I am
aware of either. But this was his last film too,
Richard Sales, Really I will according to Wikipedia. Yeah, see
if IMDb agrees, no, not writer director, you only directed
fourteen Okay, definitely, it's fourteen more than I've done. He
(30:33):
had two TV episodes after this. He had eighteen to
be episode, seventeen episodes of Yancey Derringer, whatever that is,
and one of the High the High Chaparral. This was
his last film, which was two years after he did
Gentlemen Marry Brunettes the sequel. But this is I think
his only film we would cover on this show. There's
(30:54):
nothing else that seems particularly wet or shark filled. I
was going through the cast and there's not a lot
of other aquatic films across the CV of most of
the cast or crew. There's a couple of them, like
you know, World War two submarine films started around here
and now or boat films, but nothing. There's no like
a hidden shark movie in the career, which is you know,
(31:18):
makes sense. They they became very popular some years later,
twenty in fact, eighteen. Yeah, this is not a problem
with these films, but they're very straightforward. So you know,
you talk about them, you talk about that, we've been
through the plot, we've been through the characters, and it's
kind of not this isn't a bad thing. No, no,
(31:40):
there's just there's fewer talking points.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah, I think, I think, to be honest, it's kind
of I actually I've quite had a soft spot for
films like that. I kind of like stripped back films
that are a bit like kind of no nonsense.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
It it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
It doesn't add a lot of extra fluff, as you say,
maybe a few too many characters, so there's a little
fluff and that's kind of aspect, but it just kind
of sticks to its guns. It doesn't I'd like a
film like that.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I kind of feel sometimes.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Films these days tend to feel like they have to
have more. Is kind of they feel like people people
are gonna accept something that's very simple and just about
one or two things. They want lots of plot, lots
of side stories, lots of lots of everything. Just there's
lots and I like I like things that keep it
simple sometimes, although it's still like over the top baction
(32:31):
movies now getting.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Too Yeah, I mean there's there's a space for all
kinds of films.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I one question this one does pose as well as
guilty anism is the value of one person over another.
Because they look at the people that are cast over
the side are include an atomic scientist, a playwright, and
a form of opera singer to be saved by, in
the words of Edith, two ape men, a racketeer, and
(32:55):
a devout coward. So she says, why are the Wicked
so strong? Is her comment on that. So it's interesting,
But they don't really dwell. I guess they don't dwell
too much because it's not that long of a film.
It's only just ninety.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's but that content is there's
the thing it makes you think, as I say, that's
what I most enjoyed about this was the whole moral
dilemma aspect.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
It made you think, what would you do? Is he right?
It's yeah, it's the kind of film I like.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I like it when it doesn't spend too long on
it to try and spell out the right answer and
tell you what to think. It gives you a bit
more work. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
So what other films were in the box set with this,
any others that you'd recommend.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Oh, no, other seafaring ones.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
But I actually the whole the whole set was really
good actually, because, to be honest, before I, before I
viewed it, I was slightly it almost didn't take it because,
as I say.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
On the front, on the front cover, it looked like
just war films.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
In war films, I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Not a massive war film guy.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I'm kind of warming to them in my as I
approach it, well approach, and I'm probably in there now,
but now in middle age, I think I'm getting a
bit of a dad a dad taste in movies. And
but yeah, but they were all decent, that the films
in there, But there were more of a mixture. As
I say, I actually watched them a bit out of order.
The first one I watched was Bridget Remagen, and that
(34:25):
is a proper kind of straight up war movie.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
But it's a really decent one. It's it was.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
It was made in the late sixties, which was a
really strange time to make a war film during Vietnam
and all that, and it flopped badly because of that.
But watching it now out of in a different context.
It's it's it's a really spectacular It's one of these
kind of just actually go out and then higher loads
of tanks and blow up loads of stuff, like properly
(34:50):
kind of film.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
And I love seeing that.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Like again, I don't know, I'm sounding like an old
man's film. They don't do it like that anymore, but
it is true, Like I mean, some films do still
do things real. I mean, like the Mission Possible films
are trying and do some some bits and pieces for real.
And but there's something about watching like a building being
an actual building being exploded, or a bridge getting exploded,
(35:16):
just things like that. Seeing that for real is just
it's impressive and because you know it's real and it's exciting,
Whereas if you see some c jack explosion going off,
it can still be part of a fun film, but
it's you don't get the same thrill from that particular effect,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, in Abandoned Ship, you know, all these people were
on the water, however, having an awful time. Probably it's
just not that actors need to suffer for a film
to be good. But if you've seen The Shark Is Broken,
the play about the making of jewels.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I'm not seeing it.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I've heard of it. It's good, but it just looks
like they're making of jewels. Was an awful experience for
they just had to wait around being really irritated by
everybody around them for weeks on end.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
But yeah, as I say that, the rest of the
set's really good as well the other ones.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
There's one called counter Attack, and that's I mean, it's
got a very different story from abandon Ship, but like
a bandonship, it's it's it's really kind of a intimate
chamber piece. What happens is these I won't go too
much in this story, but what ends up happening is
mostly after a kind of a bit more of an
(36:33):
epic opening, you end up being trapped in the basement
of a factory with two Russian, two Russians.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
With a hero and the heroes and then a big
bunch of.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Like six Nazi Nazis and but the Russians have a gun,
so they have the upper hand. But the problem is
they're sitting in the dark in this and they're outnumbered
in this, trapped in this basement. So basically, and Paul
Paul Muni plays the kind of the male Russian and
(37:08):
is with Margaret Marguerite Chapman, who's like a female soldier
and he's basically he ends up having to stay awake
as long as possible to stop these Germans from killing
them because because she gets injured, she ends up getting injured,
so she's not much used after a little while. So
it's a really tense and tense kind of small scale
chamber piece. That was That was really cool. I enjoyed
(37:30):
that a lot. And then the last film in the
set was my favorite, and that was King Rat and
that's one I've kind of heard of, but I didn't
really know much about it, and that's a prisoner of
war film. It's set in a Japanese prisoner of war
camp June, World War two, and yeah, it just kind
of it mainly revolves around this guy called Corporate Corporal
(37:53):
Kings played by George Siegel, and he and he's whereas
everyone around him is really ruggling. They all look kind
of malmourished. And it's a very sweaty film. Speaking of
Twelve Angry Men, that's another sweaty film. This is very
everyone's sweaty. But he but he like at the moment
you're introduced him. He's got he's got slickly combed hair,
(38:15):
he's wearing a proper a nice kind of nicely kind
of cleaned uniform, and he's kind of living it high
on this prisoner camp because he's kind of he's got
the he's he's been grifting everyone. Basically, he's been he's
been kind of doing dodgy trading with the with the
the officers that that are trapped there as well as
some of the Japanese and and it goes and it
(38:38):
kind of top you kind of follow him, and also
the film really revolves about his his his friendship with
an English an English soldier played by James Fox, and
it kind of goes on from there, and it's just
really good.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It's it's quite unusual. It's really really nicely shot.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
It's got a eazing cast because you got like Denimle
in there, Tom Courtney, yeah, and Leonard.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
No More for his TV roll, Sure Mills.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Joe Turkle, the bartender from The Shining.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, it's just it's really good.
I definitely recommend that. I enjoyed enjoyed that a lot.
So yeah, that so it was great. Actually, it's it's
it's I was, as I say, not that I was
expecting it to be bad, but it was. I was
pleasantly surprised. It was stronger than I expected. I think
I took it onto review just mogs. It looked a
bit of fun and because Imprints send the finished boxes
(39:37):
and I thought, yeah, box, that awesome.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
But no, I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, really good, nice, excellent. King King Rat sounds right
up my street, I think, so to my watch list,
w recovering on this show.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Of course, no water in that film. Very dry, very sweaty.
There's a lot of sweat thats.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Like sometimes will be like, oh they have a drink
of water in that scene. We can cover it. No, No, Mark, No,
there's enough. There's so many sharp films. We can go
so much, so much we can do. Raddy Harden he's
making like three films a year. We're sometimes they get
released and no one knows. He made a film called
Refuge apparently got released two years ago.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
It's not anywhere. No one told me. Yeah, I'm still
trying to find that one. Uh good, Okay, I mean
we've been through all the notes, so cald for for
abandoned ship. So it's yeah, seven waves away, I think
is a fine title for it, because you know that
thing like the seventh wave being a big, a big
wave in the storm's gonna take you over what the
(40:46):
heck is seven days from now on?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
About I was trying to think like that, I the
only on the on the life for seven days. He
doesn't feel like that one.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
No, like a day, I think, yeah, because when when it?
When it? I saw it seven days from now? That
feels like a bit of a spoiler as to how
long they're going to be on this boat. But I
reckon they're going to be saved, oh in about a week,
But no, they're not on it from anywhere near that long.
It just seems a ridiculous title.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
The only thing I might just mention that we haven't
talked about is well, a couple of things, well just
thinking thinking about as you mentioned earlier, is very similar
to life Boat. It's it's been a little while since
I've seen life boat now, But I guess for me,
I think I prefer life Boat. But I did like
this a lot. As I say, this surprised me, but
(41:35):
I think it helped. I'd never heard of it and
it just kind of came out of nowhere. I think
Lifeboat is a I mean, and I don't think I'm
just saying this because it's directs a BYuT the ditch,
But I think the directions more interesting and visually it's
more interesting there is that's it's it really makes the
most out of this small location.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
But it's quite a different film.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
As I say, I don't think life but really it's
less hinging on that kind of basic survival.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
It kind of ends up. It brings its own mysteries
and thrills in their.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Lifeboat feels more like more like an ensemble. This is
clearly like Tyrone Power is in the lead, everyone else
is supporting him. Lifeboat feels more like, you know, it's
it's we have these ten to start with people, and
you get more in depth, more character from them, the
ones who are still around at the end. You've really
(42:28):
gotten to know to know them and who they are
and what they're doing. Whereas there's no like, wait, who
was that character? Oh, they're flowing into the difference.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Throwaway characters in modern more ways.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Absolutely, Yeah, as you say that, it's just more interesting direction.
Nothing against the direction of there's some aspects of visuals.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
I didn't mind that. I kind of I kind of liked.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
I felt like maybe it was just just me, but
it felt like the camera scene quite loads to watch
in a good way. It kind of really kind of
put you in, especially at the start, you really felt
like you were in there.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
And that with them, I thought that is quite well done.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
And there is one really nice shot when they are
really nice sequence when they shoot they shoot a flare
gun off at night and it's kind of a bit
of a hopeless gesture because somebody thought they saw something
but it's probably just a star. But the visual of
them all looking up at that and the way the
light changes. But then also what's a nice touch at
the end of that is when just as the flare
(43:25):
is going out and light fades, that's when I can't
remember exactly what he says, but that's when Tian Power
gives some kind of buleak kind of statement about their
chances or something like that, and that was a nice
little touch. So there are some nice visual touches, even
if it's not as skillfully directed as as Life Boat is.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
But I say I enjoyed them both in their own ways.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, this isn't so this isn't a laugh a minute,
and it's an interesting drama. There was at one point
where Torrey Power, he says quite loudly, like, if only
didn't have so many people on this boat, what if
you encaptulated the part of the film you thought.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
If if only they could have tried to paddle their
way to that other rafting that had righted the start
of the.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Film, tie them together some other debris, Yeah, debris at the.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Start, there's a cello floating somewhere that could probably be
strode on for buoyancy. And when they find out that
the signal isn't sent of there's like a major general
character on the boat who still is like real Adam,
like no, they're gonna like send planes over to try
and find us, And the response from Manic is like
(44:41):
that man is a fool. Just move away.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
And also, going back to the sharks, it's the deeply
podcast We've got to bring the sharks. It did seem
a surprise that because at this start of the film
they we were terrified of the sharks right rightfully so,
but after they kind of shoot one of them, they
just just kind of forgotten about completely.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Didn't really come back to it. That's it.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
No one actually gets eaten. We don't see anyone eating,
which you know, always a shame. They don't seem they're
only temporarily a threat and then the storm becomes a
throat and then they're saved and like, no, the sharks
did not understand this as a shark movie podcast. We
need films with sharks and then what are they doing
to us? But yeah, I mean I am always happy
(45:26):
that they're there. It's rare like these kind of films
for them to be like there's another danger in the water.
Normally it's just like ol West, We're lost at sea.
It's bad. It's bad enough. Hey, sharks too great, fantastic,
but yeah, not not enough of them and very much
just you know, b roll of sharks. Don't don't shoot
(45:48):
with the sharks anyway. So when we talk about films,
there's three things I like to do, which is work
out how deep, how blue? And I think this is
new since you were last time, how much at sea
the films are because this is depu st and we
were missing a whole third of a way we could
rate these films. So the listeners, this is your first
time listening to the show Welcome, Hello, Join us. When
(46:11):
I go through, I try and work out what depth
all the action is taking place at, how blue everything
on screen is, and how much of the film takes
place at sea. This is the easiest film to have
done that with in the entire world, because you know,
compared to Deep Blue Z, which is as everyone by
now knows, is approximately fourteen and a half meters of
(46:33):
forty seven and a half feet deep, thirty one percent
blue and eighty nine percent at sea. I'm not even
going to ask you to guess, because we all know
the abandoned ship takes place entirely on the surface. I
did factor in the little bit where he climbs the
ladder at the end, so all in this works out
as being one centimeter above surface level or point zero
(46:56):
two feet, which compared to Lifeboat was life you think
it'll be the same Lifeboat actually, because there is a
bit in Lifeboat where they go down that he like
dives into the water or the underwater a little bit,
which so that's one centimeter below the surface of the water.
So this is two centimeters different. So it's fifty sixth
(47:17):
in our ranking. It is slightly higher than life Boats,
slightly lower than the reef blueness. This is another we're
adding this to the zero percent blue one of four
black and white films we've covered so far. So it's
down there with Lifeboat, the Lighthouse, A Mutiny on the Bunty,
and zero percent, and then at Sea. We've only been
doing this for a little while, so I've only got
twenty six films on the sea ranking at the moment,
(47:40):
actually twenty eight. I should say this is at the
top because this is ninety nine point five percent of
this takes place at sea, as just zero point five percent,
which is the opening titles. Okay, well, I mean there
is a opening titles on the sea, but it's like that,
it's the studio logos.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
I can't remember what studio it is, but that is
zero point five percent of the film is Sudois and
I think, oh, so, I wonder what. Let's just go
and check what life Boat is because this isn't good.
Take long to work out for Lifeboat. So I did
check for life Boat as well. Life Boat ninety nine
point six six percent at sea because the opening titles
take up slightly less of the film than they do
(48:19):
in abandoned Ship, So life Boat is now top of
the list, then it's abandoned Ship, then it's Sea Fever
is third with eighty nine point nine percent. Sea Fever
isn't an Irish hm hmm. It's like it's kind of
a creature feature, but it's like a creature that attacks
on it's got a disease that affects the crew. It's fun.
(48:39):
It's a decent film that came out in the pandemic,
so it just kind of got buried or sunk, I
guess you can say. But it's worth checking out, and
it is on Disney Plus if you want to. It
stars Hamioni Corefield, who was in Renny Harlan's The Misfits
playing Pierce Prosidan Secret Order anyway, that would do it
for Abandonedship David, which dies to plug.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Oh well, yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
Blueprint reviews, I've been busy as usual writing loads of reviews.
I've got a review of the box set that we
just discussed earlier that just went up recently. And I
also reviewed Ivy from Imprint recently. And yeah, there's always stuff.
I'm always I'm always posting stuff on there, so keeping
(49:23):
eye Blueprint review dot co dot uk.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
And you'll find some reviews from me over there. Most
in recent years it's mainly shark films, and so this
year they're not up yet because we're recording this a
little early. But twenty twenty five releases Dangerous Animals and
Fear below. I'll have reviews for those over there soon.
You may have already heard Mark and I discussed them
on this podcast. By the time this comes out, I
(49:45):
don't know, because this is we're banking this episode. This
is like it'll come out in a couple of months,
I think, because our schedule is all over the shop.
So next week, I don't know. Next week might be
Mark and I talking abou the swimming pool scene from
it follows, we'll see. That's what's currently on the schedule,
but it keeps changing because new releases keep coming out.
(50:07):
I don't know how'm coming out, and I have to
keep bumping films anyway. So yeah, that'll do it for
Abandoned Ship, seven Waves Away, seven days from now, whatever
you want to call it that, I'll do it for that.
It's a fun film. It is on YouTube. I wouldn'tcommend
watch it on YouTube because they stick adverts in every
five minutes, regardless what's happening, and it's quite frustrating. So
(50:30):
if you can watch a proper version, I would recommend
doing that because my wife abandoned it because the ad
was getting anoying and they started talking about eating dogs
and she's like, no, this isn't the film for me,
and she went away. Actually I don't blame her, but
thank you once again to my guest David Brook. Would
you wanted me to talk about this? No, not a problem.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I always happened to go on the show.
Speaker 6 (50:51):
I have been Jake Glue and we'll deep blue sea
you next week. St
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
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