Episode 248 (Housewives of Aquatica)

Jay and Mark are joined by Kevin Kulp  (@kevinkulp.bsky.social on Bluesky) to discuss "All Relative," the 21st chapter of Deep Blue Sea. In this episode, they also talk about bilge pumps, jealous sharks, and the ultimate Aquatica chill work squad. Enjoy!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello and welcome the Deep Blue Sea the Podcast. I
am Mark Inside Straight Halfmire.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
And I am Jay healthy girl cluet. Oh yeah, kind
of again. Chapter This is Deep the Podcast. On this show,
we've been too the entire Deep Sea trilogy seen by
seeing them again with all now wonderful guests. And that's
what we're doing today. This is Deep c one, Chapter
twenty one. What happens in chapter twenty one, Let's have
a listen. Preacher leads the other survivors down at Dark Corridor.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
It's a good thing you guys came to this sad
other side of the war. We didn't exactly plan this.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, it wasn't like we planned made it.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Susan answers with a look. Carter squats against the wall
Scogin's Consults of War map of the Quatica.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
We did it. We're on number one. We can take
the acts us stare all the way up to the surface.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Stairs A flyod to trust me.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
I know, are you sure?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Free Chick points to his fresh head wound.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
You give us a goddamn break, can't you?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
The wolves shake violently. Freacher, don't just some fooling debris.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
He always answers, so sometimes answer you get is an
answer you want.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Gotta gets up and approaches the map.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
We're sixty feet from the surface. There's a an emergency
hatch on this level, right, Okay, listen, This level has
bilge pumps on it for storm runoff. We can reroute
the emergency generators. We could drain one whole stairway. You sure,
who are you gonna trust?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
God? Looks unsure.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
You. That's right? Do you trust me?

Speaker 2 (01:56):
The anthigenesis bedroom and look around.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
We had poker here tomorrow night.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
She always draw her the insize tree where she could
have stuck.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
To the pair big dreams. Cartha tosses a bag of
protein Baster Preacher, He tosses them aside, even in death standards.
Scogan spinds a torch, but it doesn't turn on.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Okay, Jim was a healthy girl. Something in here has
to run on batteries.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Where would the girl keep her?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
He makes a vibrating gesture of Preacher. In the bathroom,
Carter opens a medicine cabinet and retrieved some ointment.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
My skins starting a hemorrhage. Sharks smell of blood.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
He applies it to his arm.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
This will coda with oil. Look Carter what you said
down there.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Maybe he were right.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Everything I've done I don't think I could have done.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
It without you.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
I know, Susan, that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Skogains Are moves batteries from my clock and sets them
into the torch.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Boy, I know, one night feels like a whole week.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Relativity. What do you mean Einstein's theory of relativity? Grab
hold of a hot pants, A second could seem like
an owl. To put your hands on a hotbed woman,
an hour could seem like a second.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
It's all relative.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I spent four years at Caltech, and that's the best
physics explanation.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
I've ever heard. Gotcha emerge from the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
It works.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Skugains passes him the lit torch.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
All right, you stay with the doc. Me and skogs
are gonna go try to get to the wet lab.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Drain that stairwell.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Scoggin stands up. Preach what He turns his back to Preacher,
who zips up his wetsuit.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Would you zip me up? Please?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Din? They hug. So that was the one. Chapter twenty one.
We have a guest today, as a guest who has
been on before. It's been on a bunch of times.
He was on I think for both DEPC two and three,
but not one yet until today. He's our resident shark
movie expert because he's seen the more so it seems
only fitting that we bring him on for a chapter
that has just a plastic shark and a fish tank

(04:29):
and no other sharks in it. It's Kevin Colp. Kevin,
welcome back to the show.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
I love being here. Thanks for having me back. I
think it's Kevin backup generator culp.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Sure than bilge Pump, aguesst Kevin bilge Pump.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
That's even better. You know, nothing nothing says quality, like heaven.
Your nickname be bilch Pump.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
That's my nickname in high school. I know.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, yeah, no more questions. Enough sad.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
This chapter is there's a lot to it, you know,
Like I think we talked about a chapter recently, JA
where's about eight lines of dialogue basically just people saying go,
go go. But this one's talk heavy.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
I love that you're saying that because we had to
reschedule this episode because of air conditioning problems. Yeah, so, Kevin,
I would kind of talk about. Kevin's question was like,
what do you what do you do when you have
a chapter like there's not much in it. I love
that was like this loads in this chapter. Well, I agree,
there is plenty to talk about, so.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Like how long have they been playing poker if they
know that she always goes for the inside street as
as opposed to sticking to pairs that show like you
can't play once to be like, oh, they always like
you and I we played poker once, the three of us.
I'm like, oh, Kevin, he's always chasing that that strat
like you pay once with him.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
This is some really lovely world building, right, I mean,
one of the things that I like here is that
the screenwriter really clearly thought about the relationship that people have.
And you see you see it in that knowing about
how she plays poker. You see it, and how they
treat each other.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
It's lovely.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
You don't see you don't see that in every.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Movie, Like yeah, and it's who's talking about the poker.
It's like Stoggins, it's Preacher, it's Carter, it's not Susan.
Because I like to think she doesn't know about the poker.
She didn't, she wasn't invited, so secret poker, she didn't
know who kept it kept it from.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Her, her once she lost a lot of money and
then she chose not to come back.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
She's the type of person who would lose go to
an at M. I don't know how she does that,
like borrow money from someone and come back and lose
more like Susan, she she's not allowed in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
She was too good. Yeah, she's too much for a threat.
I can see Brenda with one of those visors like
the Green Sea through visors absolutely cleaning up aquatica poker.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Night, and Carter's poker face would be ridiculous. He would
just it would just be his face because he never really.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
He makes when he sees Janets has been killed on
the on the ladder in the previous chapter, that like weird,
like chinned downmos just confused. Look that's that's Sgogin's face
when he's like holding the cards facing the wrong way.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Say that he had botox. But wasn't this before botox
got popular?

Speaker 1 (07:19):
I don't know, Yeah, I think yeah, I think so, yeah,
Yeah he doesn't. Yeah. I don't think Carter has it
yet on his next job if they do the sequel,
I think Scoggins has no. Scoggins isn't good.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
I think Preacher is probably pretty good.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah, Oh, preacher's good, plus bird helped him chet.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Oh then a.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
S spades.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Preachers a religious guy. Is he gonna go in too
much like he is gambling. I don't know where that
sits in terms of religion. It feels like it would
be on the wrong side of it.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
With moderation money, playing poker and then and then prays
for forgiveness.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, if they're playing ten dollars in it's more of
like a hangout, okay for sure. Yeah, unltt Susan's there.
Then it gets.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Crazy the cleaning her out.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
But no, that's a good scene. And like it got
me like they actually have a functioning workplace. They got
me thinking about the forty other people that work there,
like what.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Are they all?

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Okay, what are they doing there? Are they are scientists? Like?
Are there other Like maybe there's like they rent out space. Yeah,
you know Rome workplace. Maybe that's like I.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Want to I want to thank you because this opens
up I was chatting with Jay about this last week.
This opens up my big rant here, which is Deep
Blue cy is the only shark movie that predicates a
whole bunch of people in the station that actually shows
the station that might have a whole bunch of people
in it. Right, the Black Black Demon, which was terrible

(08:46):
ostensily took place on an oil rig. Oil rigs have
sixty five to one hundred and twenty people, right, A've
bin on oil rigs before for work. They've got big
industrial kitchen Black Team and had a kitchen it might
have held five people that had like one microwave. This
was one of those cases where you really because Preacher

(09:07):
had a big industrial kitchen, because it was a large
space and they had crew quarters, you really kind of
felt like this was a whole working, functional place and
everyone just happened to clear out for the weekend.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, it's yeah, and it's smart to get that out
of the way too. Like they actually put a bunch
of people on a boat and showed them and it's happy.
Either they're happy they're leaving or they're just a happy
crew because they're all dancing on the boat.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's like it's finishing work on a Friday.
Just in a quick head count as I think twenty
six people we see are like on no heading to
that boat and they're all dancing to the and yes
they are the dancing or heading to the dance floor.
That is a boat. So that plus the eight people
we have, that's thirty four people. Russell. We never already
talked about where is Russell staying because he doesn't have

(09:54):
a room. So do they have guest rooms in Aquatica they.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Would have guest rooms. Yeah, I'm sure they would the
bunk or bunk houses probably, so they're probably.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Are forty rooms. If there's like thirty four crew.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
You know, it's good to remember, like they're running shift
work right the which means that they've as long as
they're on one cruise on days, one cruise on nights,
they're probably working twelve hour shifts and nobody cares that
damn about this but.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Me and.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
They just get paid a ton of overtime and swap
them out and run a skeleton crew on the weekend.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Probably, So with Preacher, you would need to cooks, correct
because if you're running around, obviously you're doing twelve twelves
or likes. You're not doing like fireman hours twenty four
on blah blah blah, Like that'd be kind of crazy.
So you're probably doing twelve twelve or I don't know,
eight or whatever. But yeah, he's not going to cook
around the clock, so there might be another chef who

(10:48):
left for the weekend.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
There three or four cooks, and they'd swap them in.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, that's it's a huge kitchen. It's it's a kitchen
I think would need at least two people to run
it regularly.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Do you think that's what the What about the bird?
I don't. Do you think the bird comes and there's
three other cooks.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Birds and Preacher's head? What do you think about that theory? Kevin?
Do you think the but exists?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Think? I? Well, if you had asked me five minutes ago,
I would say absolutely the bird exists. Now I'd say no,
absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
It's in interacts with preacher. No one mentions it, no
one talks to it, no one else.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Hygiene hazard in the kitchen obviously, right, terrifying hygiene hazard. Yeah.
I worked on one of.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
The games for Ratatui though, and that you know, there
was a lot of rats in that kitchen, so.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
So much hair, so much hair, and.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah that I'll be worse. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, they're pooping everywhere.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
That's this morning, actually not in my house. Okay, all right.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
At okay, so yes, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Do you think there's oceanographers out.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
There, like sure, I think that they probably have a
sort of a full fledged science team. They've got I
guess it's not veterinarian scharcologists, right, whose job it is
is to take care of the take care of the
sharks and monitor that. They've got housekeeping. They've got an
it guy.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
They've some kind Yeah, they've got.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Probably a nurse or doctor of some kind.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, which Susan's like a doctor. We know that it's
going to be.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
I'm not that kind of doctor.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
At least two people sort of manage the manage the
control room. Uh, the probably three people, because you know,
you want somebody manage to watching stuff when they're taking breaks.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
These oil platforms. They have security because Aquatica there's pirates.
I'm not I don't think there's pirates off the coast
of you know, California, but that's like pretty open. So
would there be security there, Oh.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, there'd be security security yeah, but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
I mean you can get right.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Carter is really all the security they need, obviously, but
they would have security. Yes, it's weird that they don't
have security here now, but yeah, yeah, is what it is.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
It's a movie imagine that movie. A bunch of scuba
divers come up. This is a This has been a
plot for about forty movies. We're gonna break into this
place and get this stuff, and then they cut a
hole in the fence and then they just get obliterated
by sharks and the sharks escape. This could have been
a whole much worse film, or just a different film.
But yeah, there's no security. Cogin is doing a lot

(13:33):
of work out here with the Bilge pumps.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, and I've got.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Questions about that bilge pump, right, they've got a The
whole point here is that they need to go and
reboot the backup generator in order to use the Bilge
pumps to dream the stairway, Right, do I have that right?

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
So all the lights are on, which means the backup
generator is running. Mmm, so why they have to reboot
the backup generator?

Speaker 1 (14:02):
M questions.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
There's more than one backup generator. I don't know. There's
one for the lights for the pumps.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Not automatic then turn on, like if I get water
in my basement. I've got a pump that I don't
actually but theoretically I have a pump that turns on
when it says water and pumps out water out.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Maybe it's like like, okay, everything goes back to the
Jurassic Park when they turned all nedroy turn everything off,
they had to go and pump the fuse thing. Maybe
the lights are on a different kind of circuit the
back of the area that always works, but the bilge
pump is on a like a secondary circuit where they
need to go down and flip a fuse for.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Your bilge pump when the station's flooding.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Absolutely, yeah, sure, I mean, I can't think of a
scenario where I'd want the rooms that are flippit water
to be full of water. But maybe there is a
reason they need to do some kind of underwater testing
that's more controlled than being out in the cages, and
they chose it to be in that room. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
As we're talking talking about sort of their crew compliment,
they need a health and safety guy because, for instance,
people argue that you shouldn't have to hunt for batteries
for your flashlight and somebody's vibrator or alarm clock in
order to get a little bit of bonus lad Right, Well.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
So you've got to assume that that one of the
people left on Aquatica was in charge of some kind
of health and safety or medical. To some like, you
can't just have this is this is a schedule to
be leaving. No one has any first aid training, so
you've got to say, like, Okay, Brenda had first DAID training.
She was the first to die, and so you just
got to assume she knew where the batteries were. Her

(15:37):
job's pretty straightforward. She's up in the town. She's also
she's like the office manager of the who had the
first DAID training. I'm getting on a fire extinguisher training
course this week.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
That's fund Tower, Tower knows, and so. But then Tower
goes I think so.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Alternative here is that they hired a guy who was
fresh out of college. He falsified his resume to say
that he knew how to do all this stuff, miss Scuggins. No,
Scoggins went for four years at CALCI Tech. Yeah right,
he Yeah, I don't know. All I know is you
learn how to ask man to zip up his wetsuit.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
The uh.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
But I like to think that they you know, the
guy gets out there to Aquatica, he doesn't know what
he's doing, but he knows how to fake it just
barely enough. Carter knows, no one else knows, and he
half asses the health and safety. That's my sort of
that's my internal dialogue here.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
I feel like Scuggins four years at cal Tech. He
was trying to do a good war hunting scenario. I'm
going to go and I'll be the janitor there, but
I'll show them. And he didn't show them for he
was just you know, he's cleaning up for four years, which, hey,
it's a good job. People should do it. But he
was aspiring to be got. They'll see I'm a genius

(16:58):
and they didn't just falsified documents. Its on aquatica?

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Did you go to cal Tech for four years?

Speaker 2 (17:04):
I was at I went to count Tech for four years.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
I was inside the building for four years, soaking up
the lectures, right and writing on chalkboards, hoping people notice.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Two friends who went to cal Tech. You know it's
a They're not on AQUATICA. I'm just saying it should be.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
They would have left me. No, no, they would have
left for the rest of the Does the rest of
the crew not know that? Like, is it just Jim
and Susan doing like the animal brain stabbing in her
office and stuff like do they gene therapy? Yeah, like
like do they know? So I guess they know they're
doing gene therapy. But these sharks are smart. There's no

(17:48):
one and you know what, these are big twenty six
foot sharks, and there's no railings on the walkways, which
is kind of crazy.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
The safety guy isn't certified again, Oh there it is.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, Randon would have made sure Russell stood away from
that pool.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Oh that's why he was pissing in the wind.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, stop pissing in the shark tank.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Pissing the wind.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
I like to think the health and you know, health
and safety guys gets kind of seen his downers, right,
So I like to think that he one of them
insisted or women right, insisted that they put up railings,
that they make it safe. Somebody else looked at it
and said, no, that doesn't look cool enough and took
them all down.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
I mean there's no ratings on the death stuff for
the same reason every really goes.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Or Star Trek that Eric Bonna's ship has no railings
and you could fall a quarter mile into the vastness
of his ship. So I guess railings aren't cool.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Railings aren't cool. I mean, have you ever seen a shark?
He's a railing mark.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
I don't think so, have I everything.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Just thinking?

Speaker 1 (18:51):
I don't know, I've seen a lot. It could happen,
but yeah, there's no there's there's not much health and safety.
It's you know, they're playing poker.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
I like there's gambling on the ship that they have
their tight crew. Everyone else went home. I don't know,
this is odd. I like, I like the worklow. Have
we never gone into the workplace dynamics? Jay? Have we?

Speaker 2 (19:13):
This is why Kevin's on this chapter. This is his
and like so there's you know, then we've just not
say's like forty there must be forty bedrooms on this place.
Yeah that's huge that.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
There's not going to be forty bedrooms. There will be
crew quarters. Right, so you'll have a bunk room with
probably eight bunks in it, I'm guessing or six bunks
something like that. The uh and chances are it was
like a military thing when the day shift's work in
the night shift is sleeping in vince versa.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
But that's you.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
I mean, you got a good point. I've looked at
the cross section that they show of the floor plan,
and I don't think I see like forty bedrooms in there.
Maybe they're all underwater.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
They definitely, Well I've.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Got to research that now. Yeah, they don't show crew rooms.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Because they when they go into Janie's room, there are
some you inating this is like a shared room.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
She is a big because she's Jim gets the big room.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, that's because janiss room really is its own thing,
like it's clearly hers. I don't think it's shared.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Oh, she has to give tours and she's with Jim.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Well, she's got a fish tank, she's got a big
metal two door and a bunch of the small door lockers.
She's got pictures on the rule.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, big room speak of than my whole first workment.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I think. Do you think people walk by.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Her sleeping with the boss inside?

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Straight? Yeah, she's on the computer though during the testing scene,
So I mean she she helps with business, but she
also doesn't know. She can't be too that close, like
she might help with the gene therapy but not no,
so go ahead.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
It's only Susan and Jim above her. In terms of
the science hierarchy. I guess we don't know if there's
other assistant cheating therapists who aren't there for the.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
One of the genesis walls would also like that seems a
little surprising on a metal underwater.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
She has her own her own like on sweet bathroom
as well, which these rooms have this if there is
a room for everyone, which was saying there isn't, but
then that's that's a cute. You need a whole staff
of people to keep this cleaning if everyone's cleaning it themselves.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Oh, they would absolutely have custodians for something this size, right,
probably two or three people doing clean up.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, because you got to get rid of trash. Well,
no where do they take trash.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
They would bundle it up and take it off off
site on the when the supply ships.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Come, you got it. So then they oh, yeah, when
there's a lot of supply ships come, they get trash.
And then you need someone to coordinate that. Yeah, and
you can't you don't want to keep it around. There's
a lot of logistics in this place, a lot of
waste in that kitchen.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Maybe.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, when food supplies come, who's who carries them down
to the kitchen? Right, it's not Preacher, It's definitely not
the bird. Yeah, there's all No one thinks about these
things because they're boring and dumb. They make the sharks
do them. They make the sharks to them.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
That's the answer.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
They're very smart sharks.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Hey, shark, take this down a preacher, you know, take
this down to the wet bay and drop it off
and then they just take it up to it.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
We need like a prequel. It's just the five days
leading up to this weekend, just at the day to
day everything that happens, No exciting incidents or anything. It's
just like when a guests to hang out from.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
So when I'm not doing shill for consulting, I design
role playing games. And there's an amazing game called Chum,
which is the role playing game of crappy shark movies.
Uh and I ran a I ran a game a
couple of years ago which is basically Deep Blue Sea
the role playing game, only sillier, where twelve people were

(23:03):
on the on the facility and gradually got chomped one
after the other and we got and basically we got
to do it like the five days leading up to
everything going terribly terribly wrong.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
It was great. Oh that sounded lovely. How long does
that take.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
I think that was a four hour game. I managed
to fit twelve people around the table, which is really rare.
Most RPGs are, you know, four to six people. We
had a good sixty or seventy percent fatality rate. It
was delightful.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
So what kind of roles did people play? As? How
many people wanted to be shock Ranga.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
In that particular thing. We split it up so that
half of the people were the folks who lived there
on the station, right, the custodian, the interns, the science,
the science people, that kind of thing, and the other
half of the people were the CEO and her elite
team helicoptering in check on the progress of the of

(24:01):
the shark research.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
So he had no like you had, no op Trter character,
just like being being great at everything and taking nobody.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
They were all terrible at everything and many people got eaten.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
It was great. Is Carter op?

Speaker 2 (24:18):
I mean, I mean he wins everything and wins everything.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Harter Carter.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
If you kind of think about this in game terms,
Carter put all of his points into being very good
in combat and not so much in the facial emoting.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
No, okay, yeah, he's not.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Sours of just facial emoting, Like this guy is toast,
but he's very good at emoting, is it?

Speaker 3 (24:49):
I guess he does. He sees mart, He definitely sees love.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Is Precher a paladin has been like I've never played
a role playing game. I've watched a bunch on online,
but I've never played one, And I feel like Preacher
is kind of a religious theme.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
You may not like what he has to tell you.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Right, like that that line, sometimes the answer you get
isn't the answer you want. That is like the moment
in Carter's brain where what like when when doctor House
is like, wait, maybe it's loopus and he gets someone
storts across the room that that's is what switches like, Hey,
I've got an idea for Carter, and I don't know
why that particular line is like sometimes the answer you

(25:36):
get isn't the answer you want. Because I went back
through and I referenced it to everything else in the
script before, and nowhere is the word answer said before,
Like the thing like inspired Carters like I got it,
and I feel like it's going back to when Russell
is like, unless someone's got better idea, we have to
swim out of here. It's like someone's got a better

(25:59):
I like, the question is do you have to swim out?
I don't want to do that. The answer you have
is when you don't want, which is you don't want
to swim. But that's the answer you got, So you
have to swim. That's the best I can do. You
don't want to go realizing, yeah, swim you don't want.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
To go back into that room because that glass is
wide open. Jim's still floating around there, alive, right, just miserable. Right,
So you're like, Okay, what don't I want to do?
I think you're right, Jay, I what you know the
answer you get? I guess that's the answer.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
We don't want to swim out, And that's horrible swimming.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
They're sixty feet underwater, and sixty feet is totally doable
for free driving. Right, you'll have some bad prefer it. First,
you go up, you release are your lungs? Is your rise?
You hopefully don't get eaten by a sharking? Get up
to the surfers.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Is the sharks? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Well one other problem, which is what are the chances
are that they have a ladder going from the surface
of aquatic from the deck of aquatica down to the water.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Level they do have. Alkata gets out of one at
one point when he's and we get a license play
out of the tiger shark's mouth. He does come out
on a ladder because he almost pulls Russell in Okay's
he's you know, bron out, I'm a man pull you
into the world.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, he definitely, that's like his most BROI moment.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
I would say, yeah, well he's you know, he's a
big dogging Russell, isn't he like a man's got a file?
What's the first Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
What do we think about the whole four o'clock in
the morning thing? Jay, have you worked through the timeline here?

Speaker 2 (27:25):
I have tried, so this is Kevin I briefly talked
about when we were trying to do the previous time. So, yeah,
Scoggin's is like four am, the whole night feels like
a week, et cetera. And then miss that they misunderstand
the theater of relativity doesn't matter. He never went to count.
So I've been trying to work out the whole timeline
of the day. In the past, we have assumed that

(27:45):
the test they're doing is in the morning, and I
think that cannot be the case.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Because, well, they're drinking the night before, they have breakfast,
they're all hungover, and the deleted scenes correct.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Well, I've I've out with the film looking for when
we can see the time. That's the level that we've
got to with My Day. And there's only a couple
of times where you can see Susan's watch. When she
gets out of the shower and puts the key around
her neck, there's a watch on the counter. It kind
of says either nine to twenty or four forty five,
I can't quite tell. But then when during the test

(28:20):
you got a spot on face shot of her watch
and it says seven forty five. That has to be PM.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Why are they doing it after dinner? That's weird.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
I don't know. There's a see a few shot point
do you then see a shot of her watch when
they're going up the elevator with Jim without Jim's arm,
and it says like eight ten. So this kind of
all tracks that it's like it wasn't just like oh
we had a shot of a watch, damn, because it
feels like they're showing her watch off like it's a
Bond film, like hey, buy this thing. So I think, yeah,

(28:55):
seven forty five in the evening and then kind of
the timing does feel better than it being some forty
five in the morning or like a morning test and
them to do all day and then all night. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
if I know.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
If I know corporate culture at all, and and facilities
like this, They spent all day in meetings. Aquatica has
a boardroom. They've sat in that meeting room and used
PowerPoint presentations to talk through things. They gave Samuel L.
Jackson his security his or rather his safety briefing. They

(29:31):
had paperwork to get filled out, a whole bunch of
really boring stuff that no one wanted to tell us.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
And then at the end of the day they had a.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Big dinner together and decided to test a shark.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
I figured it out, Jay, I got it.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
So Russell gets to Aquatica. Doctor Susan McCallister talks to
Jim and she goes, did you dose the Gen two
with the serum? And of course Jim gave Harder the work,
but he said, I had Carter do it as soon
as you called. It should be ready tomorrow night. So

(30:06):
they were just waiting for the serum the dose to
be right.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Wow, Okay, that works, That's that's perfect. My theory was
gonna be like Russell's there to see what happened. Russell
just slept in and he got he got drunk in
the you gotta It's all gonna be based on the
SEEO needs to see this. He and Brenda went into
that room at like two am, and we haven't seen
the idle heir of them since then. Just needs well,

(30:33):
come on, Russell need to eat like rolls out at
six pm. But yeah, you're you're right, Mark. It's in
the dialog. It's in the text. We've soad that this
is an evening text.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
I should have let you go first because I love
that and him and Brenda hooked up and just had
a world win night. I want that.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
I tried to get out, she wouldn't let him.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
It's like a Simon Peg movie, what'd you do last night? Nothing? Then,
you know, like just a bunch of different things, or
that one from Heads of State with John Cena Ninja's
elbow when that lady is like, how'd you get here?
Then they show her whole mission and fast forward like
that's what that's what they do like what'd you do
last night? And then we get that flashback, but it
seems like that right, it should be ready tomorrow night.

(31:13):
So they dosed it. Yeah, and the guy's coming. We
dosed it.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Harry, one of the sharks is has a crush on
Brenda is jealous, and uh decides to take out Russell.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I mean they know it too, because they had them
go up the elevator and now they're you know, and
they have to do something, so like yeah, now they
have to turn on the bilge pump. So I'm gonna
be waiting for them down there. And then what's gonna
happen is I'm gonna kill one of them. They're gonna
turn on the generator. I'm gonna destroy it, and then
he's gonna I'm gonna chase this guy to another door.

(31:48):
Who's gonna open the door, and more water is gonna
go in that area. So the sharks are just waiting
for them to do like I guess they're playing chess
and like the Aquatica crew, I don't know what playing checkers.
I guess, well, like they're they're hurting them. Yeah, this
goes a lot. Look Jesus, waist sharks, you like.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
To point out those sharks did not spend four years
at Celtech.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
This these things are smart and I love it. This
is great. And Okay, I know I'm sorry if I'm
wrecking her flow here, but I just want to get
this out of the way, because you know, we were
talking about co workers and safety, and I look through, uh,
I look through a bunch of characters from Creature Features,
Shark Films, Creature Features, and I put together the ultimate

(32:32):
like work squad who I think would be chill to
work with. Do you want to hear it?

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Okay, So for like security and shark wrangling, I have
a deal. And the seam lies from under Paris. He's
like a police diver and he's pretty tough, so I
think from under Paris, you know, he would be great
because he's chill, super chill, and he's less you know,
he's like Carter, but more relaxed. And then doctor Emma Collins,
she seems cool, chill, diver, easy to work with, everyone

(33:01):
loves around that place. I'm taking mac Cliff Curtis from
The Meg to be like the facility manager because he's
been in a ton of water movies and just Cliff
Curtis from that movie seems relaxed and I'd like to,
you know, hang out with him. And then we have
Joey and Layla Lilah from Deep Rising, which is Kevin
j O'Connor and his wife. It was like the engineers,
like just they've worked together as a team. So they're

(33:22):
like the crew from Alien always complaining about how much
they get paid, but their husband and wife. And also
I just love Kevin j O'Connor. For a chef. I
have Preacher because I just think it would.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Be awesome to hang out with Preacher because other film
has a cheving it exactly.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
And then I have for a herpetologist. I don't know why,
maybe we're doing you know, maybe that's Australia and we
have crocs and sharks. So I have doctor Marisa Kendall
from Alligator because she seemed awesome. She's she's super chill.
And I was trying to find a way to get
Robert Forrester on here, but he's just kind of a cop,
but he's great in that movie. So if we can
fit him on security, okay, yeah, all right, so then

(33:57):
we'll take a Forrester from Alligator. He can be the security.
He's great, he's retired, he has awesome shirts of holes
in him. So those two are on there. And then
also Henwick doctor. Let's see Emily Haversham biologists. We'll get
a biologist on there from underwater she lives and then
she also lived in Love and Monsters, So you just
kind of want someone tough on on the ship. It

(34:18):
was pretty chill and like she's like saves her boyfriend.
She like carries them all the way. So if like
things hit the fan, you know, she's pretty resourceful. So
that's my work crew. Uh, you know who's bringing the drama.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
We need somebody to be a complete basket case of
of drama and emotion.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, everybody you've got it's pretty even.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Doesn't want right, that's not what the viewers want. It's
not just what sharks and alligators want.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I put Carter Burke on there.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, you just got a chill hang, you just got everyones. Yeah,
we're gonna get done. We have a good time. That's
that's that's the vibe given Carter Burke.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Let me let me pick which is Housewives of Aquatica
where you just yet make the whole crew huge drama,
lamas and Uh, okay, everybody is sleeping with each other,
feuding with each other. It's amazing that the shark research
gets done. I would watch that show.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Who are the Drama Lamas? Then from all these movies.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
You've got Missus Kintner from Jewels, Yeah, Jesus just slapping people,
just slapping people left right, all right, Jaws?

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Who else is there? Oh the robber from Bait Julia McMahon,
And it's like, just put him on there. He fakes
his way on there, but he's actually just doing a heist.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Have the doctor from the Meg who it doesn't believe
Jason State.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, he's the worst.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
He's the worst.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Oh maybe one of the terrible people from No Way Up.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Sure. I mean I think that.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
We need the woman on on Planet of the Sharks
with the completely egregious a Louisiana accent. Shows and you
have a.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I like, that's do that. Oh my god, it's on
the list. It's on the list.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
I love playing with the sharks anyway. Okay, then you
don't know what I'm talking about, but she'd be perfect.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
What about that Breath, Oh the guy from the Breath
with the booze, the drunk guy, the expensive expensive. Yes,
either the guy who's drunk or the guy who's like
a dick brings the expensive booze you wasted rum on
a regular it's just Roman Die cook him.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, that guy's terrible. What about Mika from Under Paris,
She's like she gets straight eaten and into a cave.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
She's definitely a drama, a drama Lama, absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
This is a this is a crazy crew here. This
is like the beause he's just so pissed the entire
movie for no reason. And you're like, bro, okay.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
I'll make one other pitch for it. You ready that
it's a reality TV show, And so everybody on the
reality TV show has all of the quirks and weirdness
and drama tendencies that a reality TV show contestant would have,
and then the shark gets loose among them.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Oh my god. See Michael Rappapole is going to be
in the new season of The Traitors, And I'm like,
should we be covering that? Like, no, we shouldn't be
covering I've never seen I hear the Traits as good,
I've never seen it. So like Rappapole is going to
be on the makes me just a little bit interested,
just just just a little bit.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Wait, I have an idea for an extra jerk. Okay, sure,
the shark from the Shallows.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Okay, yeah, yeah, the Jackie Shuck.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
We've jerk shark. There's no question about it.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Think about this reality show. It's like the Rick Keene.
They go to a super resort for a weekend. Hey,
you know, like we're We're Love Island.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
Shark does this too.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
We're Love Island on an actual floating island. We're gonna
isolate ourselves up here. And then all of a sudden,
the shark from the Shallows comes plenty of food everywhere
and just wants to eat people. And then it's that
movie just with them being eaten. Or they're on a
houseboat that gets taken out to sea. They're stuck on
it and they're attacked by sharks, nowhere to go.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
I think you need it to be a houseboat because
you know what happens you're on an island. If you're
on an island, you just go to dry land.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, like a floating island, like from Deep Blue Sea three,
like a little happy right yea?

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Or a shark attack to two headed shark attack right
when the the coral Atoll is sinking for reasons.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
So yeah, for maximum drama we need I think for
the Russell character, maxim drama version I can think of,
it's Jeff Gobrim from Life Aquatic and to replace Studden
Scales guard just to cover films we've covered with him
Defer from the Lighthouse, putting him in.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
The drink time and farting and.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yelling about loss. That's that's who either is Jim or
his preachers.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Oh my gosh, you go down can you get the
food from down there? I'm not going down there. He's
just chugging turpentime and and farting.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
One of the things I love most about Preacher is
he's so a typical in an action movie. Right, Yeah,
it's a man of faith who has a has a
solid blue collar job. Right, Who's who's clever and creative
and how he deals with the shark and gets and
saves himself and like and not built like a traditional

(39:39):
action hero. Like what a great character that is.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
And he's not like any Stephen King Christian you know,
who's just absolutely insane. He's like, no, I am pretty sure,
and he plays pok with everyone and everyone likes him
it's a it's a relation. Take.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
He is like jacked, but you don't see it. He's
like he hides it underneath his chef's outfit. Yeah, is
a is in great shape round this time.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Good employee too, he's up early. He makes the cakes
aside from his pooping bird who may or may not
be real. He saves them. You know, we were just
talking about this too in the last episode. Sorry to
repeat myself, but I do love when he saves them
in the elevator that he doesn't say something stupid like
oh y'all just hanging around or just something dumb. He
just he's like, hey, guys, I'm happy to see you. Yeah,
Like I love that. Like it's little moments like that

(40:24):
that make me very happy. So yeah, he would definitely
be on my chill squad. I know I've made the
most chill group ever. But it seems that your intention.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
So yeah, you're you're like a good hr person, like
hiring people that are going to work ealthy other I'm here like, no,
no throw grenades in there.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
We can't have a fully functioning workforce. Yeah no, but
you know we need like backstabbing. That's how we get
all the juice from people, like someone gets mad, then
they spill the beans. But yeah, I don't think anyone's
spilling the beans here. It's pretty chill.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Is this the only film where somebody opens a mirror
and closes it and someone doesn't pop up behind them
in the mirror when they close it.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Like Tony Todd is behind him? Is that what you're saying, Like.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Because Taser opens it, gets the oil out of the mirror,
closes it. Susan is now in the room, but isn't
like in the mirror behind him right like she should be.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
So he's getting He's getting some kind of hand lotion
out of the mirror because his skin is starting to hemorrhage.
They don't want the blood the sharks to smell blood.
That was a How is hand lotion going to stop
his skin from hemorrhaging?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
It's gonna coat it with oil?

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Right moving right? Okay, Yeah, that's the genius of this movie.
It does this. Okay, cool.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
He doesn't have any mark on his skin that I
can see, is.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Uh yeah, he burned it from the falling flaming debris.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Which is a real burn. I think that's a real burn,
by the way, because he's growing up that elevator, that
thing hits his arm, okay, and he looks up and
you know you can just he looks pissed.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
So this is like writing in Mark Camill gets attacked
by by the wampa like to hide the car crash
scars he was in. It's that kind of thing they right,
they write it into the script and he's going to
do this.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Oh wow, I didn't know that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Between Stars an Empire, Mark Camill had it's like reconstruction
sons fasically on a car crush why, like I can't
see it. I don't see it, but they I guess
by a wampa. That's why he looks different, but he
looks the same.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
It's so you know the question, and you probably covered
this elsewhere, right, But how do we feel about in
the original script that Susan was the good guy, that
it tested poorly and that they sort of rewrote her
to be more of the bad guy.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
I think it's it's tough because I know that she
creates these things. She lies, but she's not a mustache
trailing villain. She's not a like I guess you have
to get some for cumuppins. But when things hit the
fan she helps, and so it's an odd thing that
people reacted to her so negatively, Like if she lived,

(43:08):
I don't think I would have cared. I think, and
I know a lot of people get flack for her dying,
but I also think ll tested so well they wanted
him to get the glory. Yeah, so I guess they
could have brought her back, but like then they're thinking,
how do we deal with this?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Like I I think if.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
She can live and they pin the whole thing on her, yeah,
that would have given us a better deep blue sea too,
not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah, I think if the original script had to Preacher
being the one who shoots the shark and Susan is
just like next to him on the raft injured, but
she's like there, she said, lives, but isn't like paramount
to the climax. That's not great from writing things from
a female character perspective, but I think people would have

(43:58):
been less angry that they wouldn't be you know, kill
the bitch, wouldn't have been the comment that they have
them on.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
The actual real comment, yes, real comment. Well that's just misogyny. Yeah,
oh yeah, straight up nineteen nineties or any decade any
five misogyny.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
How it seems to be.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
I mean, she could have just been like, hey, guys,
we cured Alzheimer's and then she has the research.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
That's she says that I'll take the blame for the
I made the sharks master, I'll take the blame. Cut
to a headline Susan mconis that kills out. No one
else helped. She did everything.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Carter x kN x Con and Chef arrested for.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Rest for destroying medical facility.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
She didn't do it.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
She kind of strong arms Carter into helping him because
of his she does.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yeah, she's not a great person. I don't mind her
threat though, because he walks up during He's all like, hey, Susan,
what's the deal, Like, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Just care about your job content?

Speaker 1 (45:02):
But see, the thing is they're going to be shut
down if it doesn't work. So it's like she's not
saying I will fire you if this doesn't work. She says,
we will.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
All the company anymore.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
We will all be fired. We won't have jobs, So
what do you want to do. It's it's kind of
she does strong arm him, but I also think she's
making a point, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
We'll say that if with her Alzheimer's research, she could
take that anywhere else and get a huge, huge grant
in the blink of an eye.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah, yeah, I cured Alzheimer's. Oh okay, I think everyone
should be trying to figure out how to save that research.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
I'd have a question. I have the question like, how
did you sew? What? What the steps did you take?
This is great, well done, but how did.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
You look over there? Yeah? Couldn't they have put the
research in a bubble and like of like a something else,
like a life fest and sent it up to the
surface just to be safe.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
She hasn't got it yet.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yeah, it's true the locker and.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, they had, they had, they had the approach coool
should be the test worked before we celebrate, immediately steal
it in a packet and send it up instead of like,
don't white people someone to get tacked by a shark first.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
It's ninety nine, the eighties.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
We were keeping our data backups off site.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I mean, whoa, yeah, yeah, well the shark worked quickly. Jim,
It's it's all Jim's foot. He crouched down next to
that shark way too quickly. If he'd stayed away a
little bit, give him time to a backup.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, I mean Sondra Bullock would have backed it up, right, sure.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Yeah, this whole concept is really interesting, and you see
this in the Shark Attack movies as well, right where
doctor Miles Craven in the first one make sharks intelligent
in order to deal with Alzheimer's. Maybe, like I forget what.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
I'm literally just about to watch that, I haven't come.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
I'm not gonna. I'm not given a huge spoiler here.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
I bolt them the other.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Day a dollar store. They had all four of them
for I think five bucks.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
They're okay, you made you made a good, good choice there. Anyways,
I'm not I'm not giving a huge spoiler here, and
I apologize if I gave any at all. But the
point here is that you know they're kind of seating
the oceans with intelligent sharks, and those are the ones
that are gonna live. I'm I'm excited about this.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Also, Jay the name. If you have an evil not
evil scientist, if you have an unprincipled scientist, you could
do worse than the name doctor Miles Craven.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
It's all I'm better than I'm just.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
No shade throwne.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
But do you is she an evil scientist?

Speaker 3 (48:00):
She's she cares more about her science than she does
about people about people.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
And she does make sharks smart and imprison them.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
I feel like good scientists. There are some good scientists
who care more about their science than people as well.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, so much animal testing goes on too, which isn't good.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
That's that's evil. Yeah, yeah, this movie no real shocks
for I'm the making of Deepesty. I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
I'm pretty sure you're right.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
I mean, that's it's a tough character though. I I
the more I watched this, the more time I spend
with her, I don't know, But Jay, did you ever
get the even in ninety nine? I never thought killed
this this bitch like I always like. She explains it
in the beginning about Alzheimer's and then she doesn't try
to take off, you know, deep Rising, there's that guy
who tries to take off, and there's always someone mucking

(48:54):
up the works. So I mean, I never got that
vibe from her. So it's yeah, uh, but that's what
this movie avoids. Though. They have preachers surviving, they have
you know, Sam Jackson getting killed, They have you know
the guy, the guy from Goodwill hunting, that Scars guard
or that a rapaport wanted to to get with. You know,

(49:17):
he's murdered.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
I didn't even think about's companion.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
This is interesting, and that doesn't there's no John Voight
from Anaconda, there's no there's.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
No like this from the Lighthouse.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
She's She's an antagonist, but a very mild antagonist.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
She's the closest we've got for the back off of
the film.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
You don't want to overshadow the sharks.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Yeah, that's true. And then you know, I think that's
where Lake Plastid maybe fails, where there's there's no villains
in that correct, there's Platt, there's Gleas and yeah, plots
a bit of a dicky.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yeah, yeah, they're funny, but they're like they're they're in
the way. But yeah, there's no villains.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
You know, I need to get in here and shut
you guys down. There's no Mayor trying to stop this alligator.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Actually see shark attack to Jay. We should talk. Is
one of the interesting things in that movie is that
I'm not convinced that the bad guy ever gets their
come up as the interesting to see I.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Was on a podcast recently debating that the bad guy
of Jewels is Robert shuw is quint and.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Running the boat.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
He's the villain of the film. And then he gets
and he gets his come up, and I stand by.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
That he's not the Mayor.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
I mean, the Mayor is not a good guy. The
Mayor is not in the back half of the film.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Yeah, hitting the boat and making it blow up and
killing the engine and making a bunch of bad decisions.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Yeah, Shocks is hungry.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
You know, Quinn's hungry.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
It's not like it's a voodoo shark or anything.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yeah, Yeah, that'd mean ridiculous. There's no psychic link yet.
Who sets traps and murders a guy by a booby trap? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (51:14):
I love it successful.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Yeah that that tricks like a private detective. I think.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
My internal, internal uh story is that that shark is
actually related to the intelligence sharks here in Deep Lucy,
that Bruce and Jaws. The revenge is you know what,
the child of one of these sharks and so is
much smarter than.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Normal because Bruce Bruce knows what's up. M Bruce. Yeah,
Bruce isn't.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Typical, Okay, Marvel Shark oversee, all the Shark.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Movies are related and you have to watch seventeen of
them to understand one.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Right, Yeah, great, read.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
You know what, Jay, that would keep us busy?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yeah, we've going for like this is connected to this one?
How how are these things that live? Yeah, it would
be gone for ages. Great if they remade Deep Blue Sea?

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Right now? Which director and actors like? So we have
deeply see the podcast? Jay? What would like? What would
if Deep Blue was were made? What would be a
gold mine for us? Like if like Ryan Coogler or
a Julia Duke Corno or a you know, Christopher Nolan,

(52:34):
David Fincher Spielberg, Like, what would be the best that
Jordan Peele like, what would be.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
See Spielberg making a shop movie?

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Great at it?

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Yeah? Great?

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Current directors, there's a whole new crop that have come out.
Just toss me by Hmmm.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
The reason I'm saying like Deep Blue see the podcast
and it becomes just a billion dollar grocie thing. That's
gonna help.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah, we want this to happen. Yeah, so it needs
to be like really popular but also really good. So
not like haven't made the Minecraft movie. It needs to
be like I'm popular.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
But I'm gonna say Coogler because he Creeze is a rebook,
Wule Black Panthers, a comic book appetitation. He's done a sequel.
Sinners is an original vampire film, but he draws a
lot of DNA from you know the Thing and from
Dust Till Dawn and other vampires.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Caught of Blake.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
It was, Yes, watched this movie, Mike. Yeah, he's cart Yeah,
he's Carter. So he just casts a lot of the
people from his movies. And we have Deep Blue Sea
because he loves it, grew up loving it, and then
we get a billion dollar grossing Deep Blue Sea.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Sure, so how do you.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Deal with it?

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Fact Like when Samuel L. Jackson got Eden, right, that
was the big shock here. We had this major A
list actor who's gonna be in the movie the whole time,
who disappears a third of the way through. But that
that reveal has been done.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Yeah, So, I mean he reboot Willed Creed and Creed
is exactly what Rocky is and everyone loved it. It's
you know, a guy gets trained, loses a fight, gets better,
gets a rare opportunity because of his name, and so
you know, I think he could keep it quite familiar
but still find fresh ground in the air. I think

(54:19):
they would think it through pretty good.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, if he brings in, like Delroy Lindo as the
Russell Franklin character, the trick is to not get.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Put him really close and then don't and just play
with it.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Yeah, have the shot come out, but he like whoa
and steps back, and then a second shot gets him instead.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Like final destination him with eighteen. Things fall into place
and in a barrel, he's standing. He's standing on a
on a on a plank. That least, so he's standing
on a plank. A barrel falls lands on the other
side of the plank, catapults him into the air. He
falls into the water. Everyone's like, he's gonna get eaten.
He makes it out of the water. Everyone laughs, and

(55:00):
then he slips, falls back in the water, gets back
out of the water again. And then my.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Intelligent shark who's really good at Rube Goldberg devices like
an episode of Scooby Doo right where they just set
up this elaborate thing in order to catch people.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
And then when everyone's like and then he gets away
again and then maybe later just the bilge pump falls
on him.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
They've got to reboot the Bilge Pump, don't They don't know?

Speaker 1 (55:30):
And then right does he gets smushed by the bilge pump. Oh,
there it is. He chokes on some sesame cake from Congo.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Remember yeah, remember Congo Cool.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
I bought that absurde. I bought that crazy vinegar syndrome
release of Congo, and I couldn't be happier. Yeah, so
ye Royanol and that would help our SEO.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
I think, yeah, great. We just need like a bunch
of other people to not start doing their own TPC
podcast because we're out here with two hundred plus episodes.
We start first.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Yeah, yeah, that woul kind of suck. If someone joins
us four episodes, everyone's like, you gotta listen to this
show we're on.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
This is this right here is episode two hundred and
forty eight. Listen to our stuffs. God damn it. So Kevin,
I feel like this is a loaded question for you.
But do you have some kind of ranking of shark movies?

Speaker 3 (56:32):
I do have a ranking of shark movies. We just
saw a shark movie number one seventy eight last week,
which was a Hot Springs sharking shark attack.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Have you seen it. Oh yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
We've we've seen it. We've talked about our episode came
out last week. Miss when no, no, when when this
episode comes out? It would have come out last week.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
What a what? What a crazy amazing movie.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
That is a delight. I loved it so much.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
I've watched it twice. It's fabulous and not at all
what I expected. My goodness. Yes, so Jaw, what's that?

Speaker 1 (57:13):
It came into number fifty.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
But I think it came into fifty out of one
seventy eight. It's right around the sort of nano shark
Piranos shark area of this is really goofy and how
shark is kind of comparable to it anyways, point being.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Top five, way better than house shark.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Shark. Okay, I liked time. Jaws is always going to
be my number one. Deep Blue cy and Under Paris
are right up there as well. I'm really convinced that
there are only about ten or fifteen legitimately good shark movies,

(58:00):
like as actual movies. And then after that it kind
of kind of gets a little tricky, turns.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Off a little bit, started blending in together.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Exactly the U and you know, we definitely there's some
there's some movies which are legitimately good movies which I
just didn't particularly like because I didn't have any kind
of fun, Like I don't want to see him again
anytime soon. Open Water is a good example of that.
Like open Water is a legitimately good movie, really scary,

(58:31):
and I think we have it ranked around forty five
or forty six because like, I don't want to see it,
that's no fun. My top ten. I was really surprised.
Have you seen Fear below yet? That's the Australian one.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
With we have the in the river, in the river
exactly right, which is very sure much.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Yeah. We it was fine, Like the acting.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
I thought the acting was really solid, the plot was
pretty good. We uh the we sort of put it
in the top tier. It's not gonna it's not gonna
break any new ground. It's not like Deep Blue c
or Santa Jage for that matter, which remains my best
guilty pleasure the but compared to all the other craft

(59:25):
that we've seen recently, too bad.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
The only problem with it is it's just a well
made film. Decisions are smart, performances are good. No one
really does anything dumb. Everyone's capable. You you have some
like the casting is solid, the actors are good. It's

(59:49):
people get redemption. It makes logical sense why they would
go into the water and go back. They have Like
I like that trees are in the bottom of the
river bull Shark. That makes sense. There's a shark in
a t unk, which Jane and I love. But it's
just so straightforward. There's never a scene. There's like, never
a scene where you're just going, yeah, you just watching
that was good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
And then we have to filter it through how fun
is it to talk about?

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
And like I was like that was that was a
fine shark film. How are we going to fill on
our Yeah, I've done Ghost Shark with Emily slave As
I guess for that one. We love ghost Sharky.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Ghost Shark is my When people say, hey, Kevin, what
what what crappy shark movies you go see? I'm likel
you should go see ghost Shark.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
We say, we say ghost Shark, Shark in Venice now
Hot Spring Shark Attack is the three like Trifector A,
Santa Jose are the four that were like these are
the four that everyone should should know and love and
watch every every week.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Sorry, well, interesting that you added Onsen Shark or Hot
Spring Shark Attack in there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
It's great.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
I freaking loved it, four and five another box. It's
gonna be my top ten.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
If we're gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Rank fundamentally happy. You know that John Migliori from G
Shark two is in is in Hot Spring Shark Attack two.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
One let alone two.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
So do you see not know who.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
John mcgliory is. We He Brett Kelly did the original
Ogi Shark and I have if you ever do we
G Shark, I would love to be part of that
podcast because it's fun to talk about. Uh and he was.
He took over the reins. I think they offered G
Shark two to Brett. He didn't want to do it,
didn't the Wildstorm wouldn't pay enough. John took it over

(01:01:39):
and it turned into this thing. This is way better
than it has any right to be. It's Wegi Shark
versus Tarot Gator. There's a musical number halfway through. It's
completely absurd. But this guy, this guy just posted on
a social media photos of him with here with Macho
from Shark Attack from Popping Shark Attack. So I'm hoping

(01:02:03):
that he's gonna he's gonna guest star and it we'll
see maybe just visiting.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Wow, yeah, this looks amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
So what was your number before? So you had Joe's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
So Jaws out of Paris Deep. You see Santa Jaws.
The Meg and Meg two come in at five and six.
The Ozark Sharks another another that's on the list that
see Shark Knight three D, which was the shark. First
crappy shark movie that we saw with with Sair Bear

(01:02:40):
that remains that remains in the top ten, Joe Shark,
Sand Sharks, and Toxic Shark. Toxic Shark's a tricky one.
It's a terrible movie. But the thing about Toxic Shark,
have you guys seen it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
No? I never heard of it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
May I spoil? May I make a spoiler?

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Sure, So Toxic Shark is a movie about a crappy
shark spews industrial waste and turns people into shark vampires.
They get sick and then they turn to humanoid flesh
eating vampires. And the reveal on how they turned into
humanoid flesh eating vampires is that there's been a character
named Audra skinny brunette, kind of whiny has been has

(01:03:22):
you know, she's gotten sicker and sicker throughout the course
of the movie, and our heroes went down to the water.
They're coming back to the resort, and one of them
says Odra, and it smash cuts it over to Odra,
who is bent over a corpse, shoveling intestines into her
mouth with her fang teeth, and she looks up with

(01:03:44):
these glittering eyes and says Odra.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Odra.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
She screams her name and then launches herself as fast
as she can come towards her friends to try to
eat them. We stopped to replay that moment about seven times.
It's a bad it shoved. It single handedly shoved a
pretty mediocre movie way up that list. You know, go ahead, please.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Oh When Jane and I get done with this Deep
Blue c series again, we're we'll definitely have more time
to tackle random shark films. So I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
My other great guilty pleasure we've talked about before, which
is Empire of the Sharks with Nintendo power gloves on.
The best possible bad guy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Yeah, it's it's a fun thing. He'd be good in
the chaos, perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
So as much as we love it, you're the first
person to put sound Duels in the top four. So congratulations,
thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Well, I think everybody is wrong and it lives in
my heart. Misty Tally is director can do little wrong
for me. It says, just for us. It was a
love letter to comic books and to friendship and to
Christmas and getting eaten by a shark.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Sure, asked, And she's in shar exploitation, isn't she?

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
She is?

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
She is indeed exploitation. Yet is it worth it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
I just got the Vinegardron release with the limited edition
slip cover.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
All right, it's it's well worth a one week free
trial of Shudder, but it is also worth you know,
paying for Shadow for a month or two because there's
a bunch of great films on there. But if you
if you have access to the Shadow, Transportation is a
good watch. Yes, yeah, we had the director. We had

(01:05:34):
Steven scud out of the director on to talk about it.
It was a fun time. And there's a book has
just come out just called like Shark exclamation Mark. It's
all about shark movies and I'm trying to buy it.
It's not difficult to buy. I'm just trying to, like
I should probably buy this right. Where is it that
I am? I'm trying to find who wrote it on

(01:05:55):
too many tabs on my phone. Severin severin films. It's
called sharks Mation mark into the Jaws of an Unstoppable
genre by Christian and the surname is b O g H.
So I'm not going to try and pronounce that because
I'll do it wrong. Uh yeah, And Stevens gonna to
did the ForWord for it. I think he shared it

(01:06:17):
on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Oh, that's great.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
It explores more than one hundred and sixty shark movies
and interviews shark movie directors from the USA, Australia, Russia
and more.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Oh, I'm going to have to track this down.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
That sounds fun.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Looks like a pretty nice book.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Jesus Way, several films, Shark Hunter, Monster Shark, Knight of
the Sharks, Feeding Friends in Shark Ye.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
There's at least a two page spread on Kevin's favorite
shark Exorcist.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Okay, favorite very loosely.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
I mean at least favorite, I think is what I
want to say. Bottom of the list still is no.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Longer at the bottom of the list. Invisible Shark by
Cody Clark has shoved it off the bottom of the list.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
I hate Invisible Sharks so much that I don't want
to watch any of the other five or six crappy
movies that go to Clark has made about sharks. I
it's like as bad as Shark Exorcists, but more pretentious.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Hey, you can't even see the shahock this time. What's
the point? I know? Okay, great? Did you have any
any more thoughts on this chapter?

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Wait? I think we covered most of them.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
You know, it really is sort of an interstitial chapter
that launches them in the next phase of action. But
I love you know, small things like like Scoggin's asking
to ask him Preach to zip up his wet suit,
and the and the reference to poker, Like this is
a really nice way to build relationships between your characters
in a way that makes them not feel two dimensional.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Yeah, awesome, Great, Well, do you have anything you want
to plug, Kevin anything?

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
I do not have anything that I want to plug
right now. The I'll wait until the next time I
get to be a guest and I'll.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Plug it then. Fair enough. Looking forward to it. Well, listeners,
you can find this podcast all over social media at
Deep Blue Seapod or emails deep Seapod at gmail dot com.
If you have some other grabby shark films that even
Kevin doesn't know about, the plea don't liken this album,
we'll forward them onto him. Next week. When's this coming out?
Where's my schedule gone? Every week? Like, well, I can't

(01:08:19):
find my schedule. This is coming out and old next
week is the start of October, so we're doing Can
I talk about the pool scene from it follows to
get into a horror month as a big swim will
see no sharks in it, but there is a month
that's sometimes invisible, so kind of an invisible shock.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
We should pack the faculty in there somewhere a lot
lot more water than.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
I really love the faculty. Great film. We'll talk about
that next October.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Not Deep nor Blue.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
No aliens water, you know, like water based aliens moving
to well to Ohio. But they filmed it in Texas.
They help signs hugging water.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
That's that's how I was building. Wait, which one came up? Yeah,
Signs came out after Signs is the opposite of the faculty,
not the other route.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
It's like the faculty, but they hate water.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Sold, make him make it. Let's go great. So next week,
is it follows any plugged mark, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Movies on the flakes, listen to it right, rate, rate, review,
and subscribe.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Yes, please do all of that, so that will do
for DeepC one, Chapter twenty one dive to thank you
once again to wonderful guest Kevin Copp.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Loved being here and I'm so honored to be asked.
Thanks again. This is fun.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Oh, you're a legend. We love having you on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
We love having you one I have been Jake Leu,
Mark Hofmeyer and we'll Deep Blue see you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Sayonara, don't think that he has at all,