June 22, 2025 • 49 mins
This episode we have special guest members from Houston's legendary group South Park Coalition K-Rino, Mr Cap, Point Blank and Klondike Kat.
About South Park Coalition:
South Park Coalition (SPC) is a pioneering hip‑hop collective from the South Park neighborhood in Houston, Texas. Founded by K‑Rino in 1986 (formally established in 1987), SPC was created to unite talented rappers in the area and overcome the lack of mainstream attention .
Key Facts
Influence & Legacy
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About South Park Coalition:
South Park Coalition (SPC) is a pioneering hip‑hop collective from the South Park neighborhood in Houston, Texas. Founded by K‑Rino in 1986 (formally established in 1987), SPC was created to unite talented rappers in the area and overcome the lack of mainstream attention .
Key Facts
- Founder: Eric Kaiser, better known as K‑Rino, a legendary battle rapper and producer who has released dozens of solo albums since 1986 .
- Notable early members include: Ganksta NIP (co‑founder, horror‑core pioneer), Point Blank, Klondike Kat, PSK‑13, Dope E, and others .
- Discography highlights: Hundreds of releases across solo and group projects. Prominent SPC group albums include Personal Vendetta (2002) and Packin’ Heat (2003) .
- Collective size: At its peak, SPC included over 70 rappers, with affiliates and outposts in Europe and Australia .
- Impact & independence: SPC built a robust grassroots model—selling music directly “out of trunks,” bypassing major labels, and retaining creative control and profits .
Influence & Legacy
- SPC played a crucial role in shaping Houston’s underground scene, enabling artists like Dope E, Ganksta NIP, and Point Blank to reach global audiences .
- The collective’s diversity—ranging from horror‑core to political rap—helped it stand out in the late ’80s and ’90s .
- Influence extended beyond Houston, contributing to southern rap styles including horror‑core in Memphis .
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With Marquis Is today we have I guess the best
way to describe South Park Coalition is I liken it
to Wu Tan War affiliates. You guys have so many members.
Looking at the numbers you guys collectively, I want to
say three hundred records collectively, you were part of putting
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Juicing on the map. And uh so, I'm gonna say,
you guys are iconic. And as far as for me,
I'm a person that likes people that create their own movements.
I lean more towards the independent than mainstream, and then
I like people that create movements. You guys have created
movements and it's thirty years plus strong and one of
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the founders. Hopefully he'll join Krino and then the other founder.
All I think of is Deadheads and frog Legs.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Cake Mix, Gasp, Nip.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So we have mister Cap and Klondike Kat of South
Park Coalition.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
How you guys doing well?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
All right? Man? Doing good?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You doing blitzed man man and uh Man like thirty
somethod Strong. And then another thing that I found out,
there's so many members and then also there's members overseas.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Yeah, so we have a we have chapters in uh In,
in the U k And and different parts of the world,
and and and you know here we we here, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
And then as a collective h that was album number
three that were too previous. And then one thing that
I was I guess I want to clarify between Krino
and Jason Nip. Did they ever battle at one time?
Or like, how did how did.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
That come together?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I think Kat can answer that. Kat.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
He was asking about Kans the Nip battle.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Yep, they met, they made battling.
Speaker 7 (02:53):
M hmm okay, okay, yeah, uh yeah, k Reno and
I met.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Better, okay, and how was it? Like just like.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I just in my mind, man, the one thing that
stands out in my mind, rest in peace to the
to d M X. Is that whole thing about X
and uh jay Z going and allegedly jay Z walked
off because actually kept going.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
So I imagine when you.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Oh you did, but I guess with the battle and
you guys had a mutual respect and saw value and
was like, hey, let's let's team up.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
All right.
Speaker 7 (03:34):
And hey, don't get me wrong, because you know, we
all were arrogant in our own right, but yeah, hey,
we don't have division.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Had he had the vision at a at a at an.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
Early age and teenager to hey, man, let's not you know,
be against each other.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Man, y'all good, I'm good man, Let's make something. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, because and I want to say, Nip Man in
my mind when I think of war record, he's one
of the pioneers of that.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Uh he is, That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
Yeah, he is the sole reason why it exists.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
See gainst the Nip and I. We went to the
same school, Jones.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
Okay, and okay, you know went to Sterling, so yep, hello, okay.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Okay, he fell off.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, I think you had to take a call. But
and then mister Capp, you're also a producer as well. Correct, No,
I'm not a producer. I'm the tech guy. I'm the
guy that's like, you know, always trying to uh introduce
all the latest technology to the to the click, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yeah, okay, who was.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Bringing the When the m P three first started making
they they way to the to the mainstream after uh,
you know, right when CDs was here, that was me,
you know, trying to get everybody on the m P three,
And then it was me that was you know, trying
to get everybody on the digital stuff and get the
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stuff online and then on the internet.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, So for most people that don't understand about n
f T, s man, can you give like a high
level and how you implemented that into the music now
and bringing you guys further on the cutting edge of
like the future and music.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Well, n f T.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
N f T is a is a token on the blockchain.
It's what it stand for, non functionable to. So what
you get is what it's gonna always be, no matter
how the fluctuation of the value the US dollar valuation
go up and down, is always gonna be that that thing.
So it's a meat item. That's that sits on the blockchain,
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and uh, and so we our thing, what what my
thing was, you know, like always having us in in
a in a place of uh what's happening in technology
right now? You know, even though I feel like we
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may be a little behind in tech and ways of
putting our music out there and stuff. Uh, the music,
the music part of n f TS wasn't it wasn't
a thing. It was just for artists, for people that
paint and draw, and uh, they would curate uh these
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spaces only for that. And uh, you know, we me
and a couple of friends, we were stick in it
and try to figure out ways to come over with
protocols for them to uh incorporate music and anything, you know.
So now we got it to the point where, uh anything,
you can make anything into an n f T. You
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can do a concert and sell tickets as NFTs because
because if you create an n f T as a
ticket or a concert, then what happens is the ticket
become some type of keepsafe or something that you have
value m And so that's what we that's what the
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n f T. Whole process of n f T is
is creating something to have value over time. So say,
you know, we drop this album, and we go ahead
and drop it as an nf T as well, and
our fan base, we have people that's fans that's already
in the n f T space and they be work
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waiting on the the n f T version of the
album to come out. Then they gonna buy the album
and then they actually own the album itself. They own
it where they could turn around to sell it only
on the blockchain, though only as an NFT but from
their sale, uh top Coalition get rawties forever.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Man Man, because actually man, I was.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I was listening to this interview on a Breakfast Club
with Snoop Dogg, and the thing that he talked about
was because I'm I'm I'm a fan of ownership. Like
I own my writers, I own my publishing, everything I
do creatively I own.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It's under NIS Media. He was talking about the royal owning.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
So I guess now that he owns death Row, he
owns like Warren g and Rest in Peace to Nate
dog have. The Family of State has the publishing. And
one thing that he was talking about, he was asked,
would you sell your publishing and he's like, no, I'm
gonna keep my publishing. He's like, for one, once you
sell it, you gotta pay taxes. And with owning your
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publishing though, that money's you getting it for life. You
can pass it on to your state, your kids, you
can pass it on. And I like with the NFT,
it's all about ownership. And then you've taken it to
the next level because as you stated, you were on technology.
You've seen from the cassette tapes, the records, to the CDs,
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then to the MP three's.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And now here we are with Spotify.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
And I'm a strong fan of owning it and taking
it to the next level. And I see Krino you online, brother,
how you doing?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Oh great man? How y'all feeling.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
How y'all feeling Now I'm feeling good man.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I told him, like, after I last some of you,
I apologize because I know who you guys are. And
I was telling them like I've been a fan against
in the you know, dead Heads and Frog Legs, Cake
mag you two formed the coalition, and then I just
wanted to clarify because I heard it was like a
battle between you and against the NIP.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Yeah, yeah, I was in nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 8 (09:58):
There was a whole lot of just girling around, a
whole bunch of talking, swirling around on both sides. And
Cat No Cat was at Jones right there at the
same time and were just like you know what, like
like like Ali, like Ali told Fraser to say, since
we can't get along, let's get it on.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (10:19):
So we met at uh uh Belfort and Martin Luther
King's the cross streets in South Park, and and the
reason why we did that was because nobody wanted to
come to the other one's school, and so that was
like midway point, you know, like nobody would get the
other one home home field advantage. So we right there
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and then you know, we battled for like it was
like a movie. You know, we battled for like seven
eight rounds all the way till almost got dark because
I think it's like in the wintertime.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
And you know.
Speaker 8 (10:50):
After that, we just got that mutual respect and everybody
from that side we merged with our side.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
You know, so the coalition with what it what it is.
Speaker 8 (11:01):
If it wasn't for Nip and cat ac Chill and
murder one, you know, the people that came from Jones
High School, you know, it wouldn't be that's like a
high percentage of our superpowers came from that one school.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
You know what I'm saying. So yeah, so that's what
that was.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And I was saying, like, as a collective, there's like
three hundred albums and yourself, man, where you at like twenty.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I'm in the fifties.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Man, Oh my goodness, yeah yeah, oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
We got the fifty piece. We could feed.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
We could feed the whole uh the whole family reunion
with no. Yeah, I'm up on fifty something man, probably
about fifty four fifty five, probably dropped three this year.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
So penmen, and like between you all, we have the producer,
we have actors. I mean, I was saying two part
of the I like, I liking you guys to like
the Wu Tang because we had wo affiliates. You guys
have members overseas, Like exactly how many members are there
part of the coalition?
Speaker 4 (12:07):
I would I couldn't even tell you to be at
this point.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
It was a time where I used to kind of
keep count, keep a tab on it, but I lost
count years ago.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
So we would just probably have to do just.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
A read configuration to figure out you know, like who's
who was what to get an accurate number, But like
you said, if you include not just the rappers, but
the producers, just the affiliates, the videographers or whatever you
could think of, man, it's it's definitely well over one hundred,
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you know.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
And then when you when you when you had the
vision and you guys at the Forefithers, did you imagine
because also you were part of bringing a regional awareness
of Houston, So you guys were part of that wave,
did you imagine thirty five yeah, thirty plus years later,
and would you imagine it exploded as big as it
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is now?
Speaker 8 (13:07):
Not? At not at first? We wasn't we weren't I know,
I wasn't thinking like that. We were all trying to
just pop off on our own, and then whatever would
have happened individually, we would have brought the collective up.
But I guess I would say probably around the early
nineties because when Nipsid would rap a lot, that was
our first taste of anybody from our collective being wide
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just being that bo and he featured some of us
on this project, which gave us that exposure worldwide and
built the amplation of people like Okay, when this guy
comes to so now what follows that is blank on
big time, cat on beatbox, me having my own label,
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Me and my dad have an electricity record. So now
we're putting all this stuff out, yeah, regionally, regionally through
regional distribution. Come and now all of a sudden, tens
and thousands of units of being sold independently. Yes, that
saw part coalition name you know, circulating, you know, right
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alongside wrap a lot and then you know later on
uh screwed up click coming behind that so and then
switch out yeah, later on and all that. So it
was it was something that we saw developed and you know,
and I speaking for myself, once I saw it, I
was like, okay, and then and then but what really
gives you the real grasp of what it really is
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and what's becoming is when you go outside of Houston,
well we were outside of Houston, and go on the road,
and then you're getting this kind of love from people
in Alabama, people in Mississippi, Louisiana, and now it's like,
oh wait a minute, you know this a little bigger
than oh yeah, yeah, what we thought it was.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Yeah, because because I say, and I love a man,
because you asked AI cool stuff, and so our part coalition,
you all as individual artists, I mean, the the online
presence is ridiculous. And then even like you said back
in eighty seven, and then the people that you all
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have worked with, and then being accredited as being the
foundation of putting using on the map. I want to
ask the longevity that you guys have, like what what
do you think it is that sustains South Park coalition?
And then you all as artists individually, Well.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
My opinion, and ill let everybody else respind out to me,
but my thing is three things. You know, we rooted,
We rooted in gods and almost and I know that
sounds a lot of sounds cliche a lot of times,
but that's the absolute foundation. But also the talent and
the diversity that we have. You know, none of us
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around it sounded like each other trying to sound like
we all got our own lanes and how we get
down and just the love of the music that the
drive that we had to keep doing it even this
many years later, because.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
We saw a lot of people that you know, this game,
this game.
Speaker 8 (16:09):
And whooped a lot of people, you know, whoop them
right up out the house like they do an't't want
to do it no more.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
And yeah, we we have.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
We we never even if we felt the whooping, you know,
we got a few black guys and bruises, we was
in there fighting back and it was never thought, you know,
to let it go. So the fan base motivas and
fuels what we do. And we still love being creative,
still love putting our music and getting that response.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Well yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
I mean, my my opinion is, uh, it was for me,
it was the brotherhood. It was the the brotherhood, it
was the family uh feeling for me. You know what
I'm saying that like we all we all love music,
we all loved the game, and and what what stood
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out to me is the with the venues we would do,
the the little bit that we would take to do
a lot right and uh and everybody had that same
type of the same type of mentality or the same
type of love for it. And so we that's what
I feel like, how we stayed connected, what connected us
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so strong, it is because we had a common Uh
it's like a common bump, you know. M That's that's
what for me, That's what it was, That's what I felt.
So that's that's you know, because I mean, like I said,
we we kind of like I didn't battle Kay and
them back in them days like that I was a
little bit younger, and but I was I was still
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a rapper. But then when I did actually become a
part of the SPC, it was like it was like
a cool brotherhood.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Everybody was cool with each other.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
You know.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Everybody thought they was the best rapper, but nobody, you know,
and we had our little sometimes there's been some differences,
but it was like the differences didn't matter.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
It was like, hey, we still brokes, We're still brothers.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
None of it mattered.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
It was like, hey, hey what we're gonna do this
show and we're mobbing into the Uh was that boomerang
or whatever? Just deep SBC was always deep so and
it was like whatever what, whatever issues was on the outside,
it just never penetrate, you know what I mean. It
was like it's always stayed cooling and it was always
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brotherly love.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
That's what I That's what my that's what my vision
of it was what I.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Saw me myself ain kind of suthing it all the
way up around the board.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
But I'll say that two.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
First of all, the love of God, because we are
guardly men, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
And second of all, we all loved music, but the
kind of music that we all was gravitating to made
a lot of sense.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Yeah, or it was on the upper echalonce.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
So we was all understanding even coming into the game
and wanting to be this, we was listening to the best.
So we wanted, you know, imitate the best and make
find our way of being ourselves in the midst of that,
you know what I mean. So, and we all had
that in common. So you know, we all stumbled up
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on it, and then we stumbled up on it as kids,
and we kept that made us be around it and
then be around each other even more, and then lock
d you know, yeah, after the battles, and so when
we would see each other, we would hear about each other,
you know, not even knowing each other. But as time progressed,
you know what I'm saying, Like I said, if it
was but Kate vision them saying, you know and not
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being selfish and saying, man, as a collective, we'll be hard, you.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And and and it keeps, it keeps
us were so deep in it, man, it just it's
like riding a bike. For us, it's not it's not hard.
It's not hard even when it gets hard.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. When your mind is
blank and.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
You you somebody might just had a car crass, we'll
be able to pull out the adverts.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
It might it might be even better, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
Yeah, it's been a lot of ups and downs, a
lot of pressure, a lot of uh not, recognition on
the ball, falling in the core. You know, there's a
lot of this and that. But that shows our loyalty
to the love of music.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And I appreciate that because unfortunately, man, you see dynasties
that come in the game and then things fall apart,
and then you hear about the you know, like for example, Rockefeller,
where they were where they.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Are now, the artists are now, it's insane.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
And then we saw We talked about this earlier because
y'all came in at the eighties and nineties there were
no other rappers, and we said it before. You had
to have your style, not too not one or two
rappers can sounded a light. You had to come with
the skills and like the lyrical line. You guys have
your own style, strong identities, and each one of you
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all is you have your lane, so then you come together.
I wanted to ask, man, because I feel like the
rappers now, man, some of them are lost. Man, they
don't last. Unfortunately, art imitates life. What is your take
on the new music and then the new the new
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music and then the new technology, the pros and the cons.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
I think you got to really understand it.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
A lot of these yunsters not thinking, you know, because
it is such a fast society and everybody, and these
kids grow up real fast and they miss their education. Yeah,
they moving too fast. And then you know they ain't
got their uncles and angels they used to give them
game everywhere they go, you know, so they hearing few
they scared to even talk to them. So you know
they out here, you know, moving a lot faster. And
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then the technology moving faster than them. Yeah you know
what I'm saying, So you wrap about this stuff and
then it's just different too now because a lot of
them think, Okay, I gotta go get like three or
four bodies then I can start rapping.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Yeah you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I can all be a.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Few people, then I can start rapping. See, so they
can't say I'm safe.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
M what I'm saying now understanding that bro, you you
you are the vessel. You the paint brush to paint
the picture of what you see in this world on
that isn't necessarily have to be you. Yeah you pay so,
you know as an artist, So I mean you don't
have to do all that. But that's what they're thinking now.
So the way they think of coming in the game
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gotta be real. I gotta shoot somebody, I gotta do this.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
I got to be mischievous and some sort of way
to go viral.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Man, Like they seem like they're going the opposite direction,
like you like the people that was from the street,
any of us that's from the streets and we use
wrapped to get out of the streets and try to
uh you know, get away from the gangster rhythm in
the street. And then uh it's like they trying to
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go to the street life from a good life.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
From from a man you you are not lying because
it's like, what's my man?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
That was in what was it Roscoe? Was it Rosco's
Chicken and Waffles?
Speaker 7 (23:50):
Old boy uh uh pybe uh from Philly.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah, man, like and I see point blank join man,
what's up? Point blank up with it?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Man?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Suh No, no problems to loute brother.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I told him, Hey, man, I know you guys, bro,
I know you, like after the last time I was
off my game, but I was telling them I know y'all. Now,
another thing I wanted to ask, Like I said, over
three hundred records as a collective international affiliates, thirty five
years in the game, what advice would you give, Like,
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what critical jewel did you get that you would give
to a person that sees you guys saw the catalog
and by hey, I want to be like them, I
want to have that sustainability. What piece of the game
would you give them that you guys got that that
golden nugget.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
Well, I'll say this, try to be unique as you
can be and come up with something that a lot
of other people don't have, you know.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Up and grind.
Speaker 9 (25:04):
Yeah, yeah, hard, grind, grind, grind, even when it gets hard, grind,
even when you want to stop, shake it off and
grind and make it work and learn the business to
make it all come together.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Three sixty five.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's kind of that kind of sum
it up for me as well.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
So they let me, Oh, let me give you a
fun factor. I know you like gangster Nip. Let me
give you a fact about uh.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Nip.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
Nip saw me better battle the Ghetto Boys and the team.
Oh it was big Mellow in there too at the time,
and so I wanted battle.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
And Nip wasn't rapping at the time.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
So Nip said, when our homeboys rhymes that used to
kicking with us and a rapper named Martini, and He's like, man,
I'm gonna battle somebody. Man here who's shining him? But
I'm gonna battle somebody. So yeah, rapping, he said, Martini
is wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Are you still on?
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah? I'm still Oh yeah, he throws it, throws up.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Oh man, dang, dang, dang, somebody's gonna be.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Good. He come back that he right there. What's up?
Wi It saying, Hey, you called him the wizard?
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Yeah, hey, Carino is the Wizard Krino.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Man, how does it feel man to know?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Like now, how does it feel like thirty five years
after man to see that the the movement is still
moving on and the season is stronger, Like how does
that feel.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
It's a blessing the people. The people powered the move.
You know.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
We we put out the art and we just put
it out there and throw it against the wall and
see if it sticks. But if it's not being backed
by the people, then the vehicle stops. The people are
the gas that makes the vehicle move. Yeah, everything that
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we got it comes from the fact that not only
the original generations of people who are in our age
group was rocking with us and still rock with us
to a degree, we have now got new generations of
twenty somethings and thirty somethings, you know, because we had
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a point in our life now where literally a thirty
five year old could be our son, our part. They
have sons and daughters and families of their own, owning
homes and working.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
So that's how long we've been in this thing.
Speaker 8 (27:59):
But the those new generations, they perpetuate our moving they
keep it moving forward because you know, despite the fact,
like I said that the people from our generation they
still rock with us to a degree, a lot of
them are not coming to the shows.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
They older in the house.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
A lot of them may not necessarily even buy the
music unless they come across or they may not be
looking forward no more. So you know, we're powered by
really the new generation and the die hard core audience
that we built over the past thirty five closing in
on forty years. So it's a blessing man because without
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the us not having that machine behind us, really ever, ever,
never having the machine behind us, we've outlasted a lot
of artists who did have the machine.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
So you can't equate that, man.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I as roots, right, you guys have a solid foundation.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Each of each of you guys have a outstanding catalog
with a lot of content, right, so you have that
foundation and then correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
This album number three, as.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
The Coalition, I had a question how how did it
come together? Like I always wonder, like how the hell
the niggas at wutang get all together? But you know,
with them, it was all it seemed like after the
second album, getting them all together to make other albums
seem like it was. It sounded like madness because you know,
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sometimes it be conflict in between. How was it to
geling back? How was it getting together? The creative process
was organic.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
It was organic because I don't even think of something
that we plan to do it. We would be somewhere
beat playing, and we we already there together anyway, and
what's the name of this one. It's called whatever whatever,
And we're all writing in the same room. In a
lot of cases, we write in the same room. So
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that the competitive spirit was that because you looking across
the room and.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
I wonder what cat's saying over? What cat right over?
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Now? I wonder what blank right now? You know, it
was organically done, so it wasn't something that we had
to craft or manufacture. Now, of course, over time when
individual careers start to pick up a little bit, now
we don't necessarily have a lot of that free time
to always be in the same room. So now it's like, okay,
(30:40):
hey man, you got a sixteen on this. You got
a twelve on that, you know beat. And once the
internet kicked in where you could actually send the beat
to somebody, you know, it was more of a convenience
in that regard, because it's like, Okay, if Cap is
at home, or Cap is out of town, or whatever
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the case may be, like he can't just come sitting
there right Okay, Okay, we'll sending the beat. It's a
twelve man right to twelve. We'll see that, you know so,
but the chemistry was always organically there because we sat
there together putting that stuff together. And somebody, let you
hear they birds and like, oh wow, you know so
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he just ramps it up.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
So what makes this album different from the previous albums?
Speaker 10 (31:29):
Grow?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, okay, at a.
Speaker 8 (31:32):
Lot of growth, yeah, grown man topics, grown folks topics.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, yeah, you know what a funny story.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
So one of my uncles, man, one of my cousins,
was like, you know, he's talking about music, right, it's
Usher and Chris Brown. And then my uncle's like, hey,
this is my errors before Chris, before Usher, way before
Chris Brown. He's like, woman to listen to Chris bound
for I'm more in that mature you know, Lane. And
(32:03):
I like what you said because then, like, was that
jay Z's four for four. It wasn't the jay Z
topic of like the nineties. And I like that you
said that because I feel the older we get, we
can expand on what we talk about. And I love
to see people do that, not stay in the same lane.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
I think that's the reason why SPC still still moving uh,
still moving forward, is uh, we didn't get nobody nobody
got stuck no where. You know, we was able to
you know, if I hear you know, I can hear
some k reno, I can hear some point blank stuff,
(32:43):
I hear some Clan day cast stuff, and I'll be like, uh, well,
I guess I got to step the game up again.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah, Yeah. It's like we just constantly, you know.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
What I'm saying, building up, uh, you know, and building
each other up, you know, and sometimes people might not
even know. I might be listening to some some blank
records like dang, you know, blank done?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Where you get where where you pull that from?
Speaker 11 (33:07):
You know?
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yeah, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:11):
We always pushed each other indirectly for the most part.
You know, we was like outside of our own individual seals,
we was like our own biggest competition, you know, because
of mainly because of just the the click song. You know,
we were like innovators of the clique songs. You know
(33:33):
what they called back in the day, It's called the
posse track, you.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Know that would have Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:37):
Yeah, so that was a staple in the South in
the South Park Coalition. It didn't matter what artist you was,
what group you was in SPC, you was gonna have
that last song on the record with everybody on it,
and that was everybody's moment to be like the showcase,
like okay cool, even even maybe lesser known artists and
(33:57):
the click that was their moment to get on this
sh okay, like I can stand up with it with
whoever else. Because the fact of the matter is that
it wasn't about popularity once the click songs got made.
It was about on that given day, Yeah, about the
hardest verse. Yeah, you have to be me, and it
had to be nip cat, blanket whoever. It's like, it
(34:20):
could be anybody can step in and and it burn
the booth up on that day. So that that's those
are things that fueled, you know how, competitive spirit. And
it was like, okay, it's a click song. Okay, that's
when you know you got to bring your best. If
it's three of us on the song, okay, we're gonna come. Harf,
it's four of us, we're gonna come. But if it's
(34:41):
seventeen of us on now, oh yeah, gotta put your
best work. Don't come in that plan, you know, you know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I forgot it bout man. You guys do got some
mixtapes under your belt too. Man, mixtapes. Yeah again, man,
thank you brothers for coming back on again because I
felt like the first one man, it was like injustice
before before we leave, Man, my last two questions is individually, man,
(35:12):
what does music mean to you all? What does music
mean to you?
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Black man? Yeah? Blank that.
Speaker 10 (35:22):
Man? To me, music is my life. Man, It's something
I fell in love with and couldn't let go, you
know what I mean. No matter how big I got,
or if I didn't reach, well I thought I should
(35:44):
have reached, I just never.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Stopped, you know what I mean.
Speaker 10 (35:49):
So it's something I really love to do and I'm
gonna continue to do it.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
Music, Music is my it's my wife.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
The music is his life. Music is my wife. You know.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
It's it's a partnership. It's a lifetime partnership that you know.
I know, none of us are never gonna divorce from
you know, it's just just the reality of it. We
like I said earlier, we saw so many people that
got just that's let the game whoop them so bad.
They just they let it go, you know. But it's
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something for us that we become one with it. You know,
we have become the music, the music is us and
we are the music. So in that regard, it's not
gonna ever stop. And it's the it's the people's life too.
You know, we entered into a marriage with the fan base,
so now they depend on us, you know, especially these
(36:54):
times where a lot of the music is not satisfactory
to the audience, they still look to us to provide
them that nourishment, those nutrients that they don't get from
listening to the radio, that they don't get from in
andet of social media. It's like it's like somebody's feeding
my soul. And you know, we we embrace that role.
(37:17):
You know, well, music is my knife. It's just his wife,
his life. It's my knife, it's my it's my weapon
to fight depression, you know, because it's like it's been time.
I've always afforded myself, no matter what I'm going through
in my life, to always.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Be be able to do music. And so you know,
it's my knife.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
It's my weapon against everything that, uh that we go
through in life. You know, if I if I go
too long without doing music, I be kind of stressed
out and frustrate.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
So yeah, it's everything to me.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yeah, the artist, I you I like what she said.
She said music is medicine, and I'm a firm believer that.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
You know, it's crazy.
Speaker 8 (38:07):
I would say about three or four years ago I
almost named an album that I was the albums Music
is medicine, Yeah, because it is, you know, it's it's
medicine is therapy. You know, it's all those different things.
When you get the right thing, it's it's a it's
a formula that activates something in your spirit.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
You know.
Speaker 8 (38:31):
It can heal, you know, and in a lot of ways,
it could teach. Music is a teacher. Yes, it has
so many different titles and roles, but all of them
are accurate.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
You know, it could be all it could be your
worst enemy, yeah, as you so.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
Yeah, man, it's to me was what I love about
it the most is how if you in it and
you in this game the way we in it, It's
like you have an idea, you can have a feeling,
and you can literally bring it to life. Yes, yeah, literally, Yeah,
(39:09):
And that's that's what That's what's the that's what draws
me to it a lot. It's like I can go
without making no music and just wake up in the
morning out of a dream and just go crazy.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Oh yeah, when that creative spirit comes, when it just uh,
you know what. I love, Man, that something that Quincy
Jones said, Man, and I'm like, damn this brother, Quincy Jones,
Quincy Jones, Quincy Jones. He was like, when you gotta
when you create, you gotta allow enough space to let God.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Then I was like, damn, And that's what that creative
space is. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Because I'm pretty sure you guys had a like you
created something and then later you're like, man, where the
hell did that come from?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
What mindset was I in?
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Like all the time?
Speaker 8 (39:53):
Yeah, because it's because you you you can sometimes have
an out of body experience when you're creating your art
and me personally knowing like, I ain't no where clothes.
I'm not the smartest dude in the world by no stretch.
You know, I'm not the most intelligent dude. It's like,
it's a lot of stuff that I don't know. So
sometimes when you get in a mental pocket where you
(40:17):
just laying out some next level stuff, like you said,
when you revisit it, it's like that wouldn't me. You know,
I don't even know how that came together, you know,
And sometimes you can intentionally craft and put words together
in an intentional fashion where you know you did that.
(40:38):
But sometimes you can lay it out and then you
look back at it and it's perfectly in pocket, like
I would even thinking to intentionally purposely do that. So yeah,
you're going it's like a basketball player get hot. You
go into a zone. Everything you let go is going in.
You know you don't even understand.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
So yeah, and then my last question to you guys,
and already, man, like I said, the catalog, the movement,
the coalition, the Internet presence is heavy man, Jack chat GPT.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
In the Internet, y'all on lock.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
It's like paragraphs. When it's all said and done, Man,
what do you want to be? What do you want
your legacy to be remembered.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
As as a whole or as you know individual?
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Oh yeah, as an individual, like speaking on the coalition
and an individually.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
I guess the.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Wizard could talk on the coalition and then y'all can
break down the individual.
Speaker 8 (41:47):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's a whole lot
more recognition that's still out there for us to get.
We are basically the type of group that we fall
into the category of If you know you know, you know,
(42:10):
and that's cool. But by us knowing our history and
know what we've contributed, we don't feel like enough people
know about it.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
You know, we don't feel like the world.
Speaker 8 (42:23):
We feel like the world has been really deprived of
what our history really is. You know, I think it's
a lot of people that would be upset that they
missed out on that journey with us starting from then
all the way going on right now and still going forward.
(42:46):
So we got a lot of work to do as
far as us as a collective, but I would still
y'all would like for people to remember us, and part
of that to be that, you know, we were one
of the first rap collectives, not just out of the South,
but period just some hip hop period that had actual
artists that that changed the game, that fathered a lot
(43:11):
of styles, a lot of thought processes, and a lot
of art. Because the truth of the matter is any
of us whoever just been consistently putting our music, they
are they're they're well known mainstream artists, all time greats
(43:32):
who were influenced by all of us or some of us.
Hand that that they love Blank three six Mafia, they
love Blank, they love Nip You know different people, you know,
eight ball, these these different people, people that have always
showed us love that are major, major people, and and
(43:54):
and in one regard, it's like, yeah, that's cool, that
that's that's that's We're honored to have that said about us,
to know that we made an impact on people that
everybody does know. But it's not enough people that know
us yet, so we still we're still fighting for that.
Speaker 11 (44:09):
Yeah, yeah, individually, go ahead, Black, say, how where'd you
want your legacy to be?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Man?
Speaker 10 (44:22):
That I never gave up, no matter what the circumstances was,
I never gave up, kept my head up, cheatin up,
chanced out and.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
Just you know, saw it through. You know what I mean,
saw it through to the end.
Speaker 10 (44:45):
Good music. You know, keep what you can use and
throw the rest away. Because during the years of making music,
it's you know, it's it's a different person every time.
Because you mature, you don't do a lot of the
stuff that I was doing in ninety two when I
dropped my first record, So you're not gonna hear the
(45:06):
same type of subject matter.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
You know.
Speaker 10 (45:09):
It's like when you get older, you know you ain't
just finished. You know, you're trying to get some game.
You're trying to get some wisdom, you know, because you
got wisdom, you ain't just stuck in the same place.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
Man. So you know, keep what you can use.
Speaker 10 (45:26):
Throw the rest away, and just remember me for being
a hard worker that never gave up on on you know,
anything he was at the in life, never gave up
on it.
Speaker 11 (45:38):
Gotcha.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
And then, mister cap I.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Guess my thing would be, you know, like being able
to my legacy.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
Want I want my legacy to be more of like
you know, the inspiration, you know what I'm saying, Like, uh,
I thought are just for me to try to be famous,
and couldn't figure out the moves that need to be made.
And I always thought that it'll be done through technology
(46:10):
and stuff like that. And and still you know, and
it took me many years to understand that it's the machine.
It's a certain machine for the popularity, you know what
I'm saying. I feel like if any one of us
brought any kind of popularity and eyes and visibility to
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to click and everybody are being to shine hard enough
to where whatever they individual legacy would be will will
be that to the world, you know what I'm saying.
And that's kind of what you know, I fight for
as far as I for as me. But it seemed like,
(46:51):
you know, my direction with music. It'll be like, oh yeah,
he also do music. That's you know what I'm saying.
It'll be like people be like, you know, oh, they
do all this CAP in this cap he you know,
he the tech guy. He uh he developed cryptocurrency. He
the one who you know, introduced certain people to NFTs
(47:15):
and and he build the apps and the websites and
do the graphics and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Oh yeah, he also is a member of the SPC.
And he he can rap, he can do music. He's
big in the music game too.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
It's like it's like whatever, like somebody say, Okay, that's
what you know CAP is all about. But you know,
like I really really still and to this day, we're
still fighting hard to get them eyes and their visibility
on the SPC and the individual artists. That's a part
(47:54):
of the SPC. So and I feel like that's my job.
I feel like that's what I.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Want to do.
Speaker 5 (47:59):
I want to be known as Hey, he's the one
who helped get them eyes on his PC.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Yeah, And I will say, man, you guys are doing
my research and then oh man, okay, yeah, I do
know these cats. You guys are movement man, just the
catalog and the yeah, the man, it's a whole.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Like I said, it's paragraphs, pages upon pages.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
Man. Yeah, and it's uh still cat on or did
he I know somebody?
Speaker 5 (48:30):
He came in and I think he probably having some
technical difficulties. Okay, came back in and he dropped off
and came in and I don't know you have an issue?
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Well yeah, man, I want to say, brothers, thank you
again for coming back on and listeners. I mean, if
you don't know who these you know who.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
These cats are, please check out the catalog again.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
I compare you guys to woutan y'all pre tam each
y'all lyrics on point, catalogs on point, and again, thank
you for being on Deeper than music. So this is
Markivis with uh mster Capp, Kay Reno and point blank
signing off on Deeper than music.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
Thank you, brother, Thank you, glue bro
Speaker 10 (49:24):
Go get the new album Times the Bonders
Deeper than news, the cool of you, the fans. The
truth simply, the truth is the linked, just the neck,
the coll of you, the fs. The truth simply, the
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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With Marquis Is today we have I guess the best
way to describe South Park Coalition is I liken it
to Wu Tan War affiliates. You guys have so many members.
Looking at the numbers you guys collectively, I want to
say three hundred records collectively, you were part of putting
(01:06):
Juicing on the map. And uh so, I'm gonna say,
you guys are iconic. And as far as for me,
I'm a person that likes people that create their own movements.
I lean more towards the independent than mainstream, and then
I like people that create movements. You guys have created
movements and it's thirty years plus strong and one of
(01:30):
the founders. Hopefully he'll join Krino and then the other founder.
All I think of is Deadheads and frog Legs.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Cake Mix, Gasp, Nip.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So we have mister Cap and Klondike Kat of South
Park Coalition.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
How you guys doing well?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
All right? Man? Doing good?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You doing blitzed man man and uh Man like thirty
somethod Strong. And then another thing that I found out,
there's so many members and then also there's members overseas.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Yeah, so we have a we have chapters in uh In,
in the U k And and different parts of the world,
and and and you know here we we here, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
And then as a collective h that was album number
three that were too previous. And then one thing that
I was I guess I want to clarify between Krino
and Jason Nip. Did they ever battle at one time?
Or like, how did how did.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
That come together?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
I think Kat can answer that. Kat.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
He was asking about Kans the Nip battle.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Yep, they met, they made battling.
Speaker 7 (02:53):
M hmm okay, okay, yeah, uh yeah, k Reno and
I met.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Better, okay, and how was it? Like just like.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I just in my mind, man, the one thing that
stands out in my mind, rest in peace to the
to d M X. Is that whole thing about X
and uh jay Z going and allegedly jay Z walked
off because actually kept going.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
So I imagine when you.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Oh you did, but I guess with the battle and
you guys had a mutual respect and saw value and
was like, hey, let's let's team up.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
All right.
Speaker 7 (03:34):
And hey, don't get me wrong, because you know, we
all were arrogant in our own right, but yeah, hey,
we don't have division.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Had he had the vision at a at a at an.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
Early age and teenager to hey, man, let's not you know,
be against each other.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Man, y'all good, I'm good man, Let's make something. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, because and I want to say, Nip Man in
my mind when I think of war record, he's one
of the pioneers of that.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Uh he is, That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
Yeah, he is the sole reason why it exists.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
See gainst the Nip and I. We went to the
same school, Jones.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
Okay, and okay, you know went to Sterling, so yep, hello, okay.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Okay, he fell off.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, I think you had to take a call. But
and then mister Capp, you're also a producer as well. Correct, No,
I'm not a producer. I'm the tech guy. I'm the
guy that's like, you know, always trying to uh introduce
all the latest technology to the to the click, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yeah, okay, who was.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Bringing the When the m P three first started making
they they way to the to the mainstream after uh,
you know, right when CDs was here, that was me,
you know, trying to get everybody on the m P three,
And then it was me that was you know, trying
to get everybody on the digital stuff and get the
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stuff online and then on the internet.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, So for most people that don't understand about n
f T, s man, can you give like a high
level and how you implemented that into the music now
and bringing you guys further on the cutting edge of
like the future and music.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Well, n f T.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
N f T is a is a token on the blockchain.
It's what it stand for, non functionable to. So what
you get is what it's gonna always be, no matter
how the fluctuation of the value the US dollar valuation
go up and down, is always gonna be that that thing.
So it's a meat item. That's that sits on the blockchain,
(05:52):
and uh, and so we our thing, what what my
thing was, you know, like always having us in in
a in a place of uh what's happening in technology
right now? You know, even though I feel like we
(06:14):
may be a little behind in tech and ways of
putting our music out there and stuff. Uh, the music,
the music part of n f TS wasn't it wasn't
a thing. It was just for artists, for people that
paint and draw, and uh, they would curate uh these
(06:35):
spaces only for that. And uh, you know, we me
and a couple of friends, we were stick in it
and try to figure out ways to come over with
protocols for them to uh incorporate music and anything, you know.
So now we got it to the point where, uh anything,
you can make anything into an n f T. You
(06:57):
can do a concert and sell tickets as NFTs because
because if you create an n f T as a
ticket or a concert, then what happens is the ticket
become some type of keepsafe or something that you have
value m And so that's what we that's what the
(07:19):
n f T. Whole process of n f T is
is creating something to have value over time. So say,
you know, we drop this album, and we go ahead
and drop it as an nf T as well, and
our fan base, we have people that's fans that's already
in the n f T space and they be work
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waiting on the the n f T version of the
album to come out. Then they gonna buy the album
and then they actually own the album itself. They own
it where they could turn around to sell it only
on the blockchain, though only as an NFT but from
their sale, uh top Coalition get rawties forever.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Man Man, because actually man, I was.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I was listening to this interview on a Breakfast Club
with Snoop Dogg, and the thing that he talked about
was because I'm I'm I'm a fan of ownership. Like
I own my writers, I own my publishing, everything I
do creatively I own.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It's under NIS Media. He was talking about the royal owning.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
So I guess now that he owns death Row, he
owns like Warren g and Rest in Peace to Nate
dog have. The Family of State has the publishing. And
one thing that he was talking about, he was asked,
would you sell your publishing and he's like, no, I'm
gonna keep my publishing. He's like, for one, once you
sell it, you gotta pay taxes. And with owning your
(08:56):
publishing though, that money's you getting it for life. You
can pass it on to your state, your kids, you
can pass it on. And I like with the NFT,
it's all about ownership. And then you've taken it to
the next level because as you stated, you were on technology.
You've seen from the cassette tapes, the records, to the CDs,
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then to the MP three's.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And now here we are with Spotify.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
And I'm a strong fan of owning it and taking
it to the next level. And I see Krino you online, brother,
how you doing?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Oh great man? How y'all feeling.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
How y'all feeling Now I'm feeling good man.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I told him, like, after I last some of you,
I apologize because I know who you guys are. And
I was telling them like I've been a fan against
in the you know, dead Heads and Frog Legs, Cake
mag you two formed the coalition, and then I just
wanted to clarify because I heard it was like a
battle between you and against the NIP.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Yeah, yeah, I was in nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 8 (09:58):
There was a whole lot of just girling around, a
whole bunch of talking, swirling around on both sides. And
Cat No Cat was at Jones right there at the
same time and were just like you know what, like
like like Ali, like Ali told Fraser to say, since
we can't get along, let's get it on.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (10:19):
So we met at uh uh Belfort and Martin Luther
King's the cross streets in South Park, and and the
reason why we did that was because nobody wanted to
come to the other one's school, and so that was
like midway point, you know, like nobody would get the
other one home home field advantage. So we right there
(10:39):
and then you know, we battled for like it was
like a movie. You know, we battled for like seven
eight rounds all the way till almost got dark because
I think it's like in the wintertime.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
And you know.
Speaker 8 (10:50):
After that, we just got that mutual respect and everybody
from that side we merged with our side.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
You know, so the coalition with what it what it is.
Speaker 8 (11:01):
If it wasn't for Nip and cat ac Chill and
murder one, you know, the people that came from Jones
High School, you know, it wouldn't be that's like a
high percentage of our superpowers came from that one school.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
You know what I'm saying. So yeah, so that's what
that was.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And I was saying, like, as a collective, there's like
three hundred albums and yourself, man, where you at like twenty.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I'm in the fifties.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Man, Oh my goodness, yeah yeah, oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
We got the fifty piece. We could feed.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
We could feed the whole uh the whole family reunion
with no. Yeah, I'm up on fifty something man, probably
about fifty four fifty five, probably dropped three this year.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
So penmen, and like between you all, we have the producer,
we have actors. I mean, I was saying two part
of the I like, I liking you guys to like
the Wu Tang because we had wo affiliates. You guys
have members overseas, Like exactly how many members are there
part of the coalition?
Speaker 4 (12:07):
I would I couldn't even tell you to be at
this point.
Speaker 8 (12:10):
It was a time where I used to kind of
keep count, keep a tab on it, but I lost
count years ago.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
So we would just probably have to do just.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
A read configuration to figure out you know, like who's
who was what to get an accurate number, But like
you said, if you include not just the rappers, but
the producers, just the affiliates, the videographers or whatever you
could think of, man, it's it's definitely well over one hundred,
(12:41):
you know.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
And then when you when you when you had the
vision and you guys at the Forefithers, did you imagine
because also you were part of bringing a regional awareness
of Houston, So you guys were part of that wave,
did you imagine thirty five yeah, thirty plus years later,
and would you imagine it exploded as big as it
(13:05):
is now?
Speaker 8 (13:07):
Not? At not at first? We wasn't we weren't I know,
I wasn't thinking like that. We were all trying to
just pop off on our own, and then whatever would
have happened individually, we would have brought the collective up.
But I guess I would say probably around the early
nineties because when Nipsid would rap a lot, that was
our first taste of anybody from our collective being wide
(13:31):
just being that bo and he featured some of us
on this project, which gave us that exposure worldwide and
built the amplation of people like Okay, when this guy
comes to so now what follows that is blank on
big time, cat on beatbox, me having my own label,
(13:51):
Me and my dad have an electricity record. So now
we're putting all this stuff out, yeah, regionally, regionally through
regional distribution. Come and now all of a sudden, tens
and thousands of units of being sold independently. Yes, that
saw part coalition name you know, circulating, you know, right
(14:13):
alongside wrap a lot and then you know later on
uh screwed up click coming behind that so and then
switch out yeah, later on and all that. So it
was it was something that we saw developed and you know,
and I speaking for myself, once I saw it, I
was like, okay, and then and then but what really
gives you the real grasp of what it really is
(14:35):
and what's becoming is when you go outside of Houston,
well we were outside of Houston, and go on the road,
and then you're getting this kind of love from people
in Alabama, people in Mississippi, Louisiana, and now it's like,
oh wait a minute, you know this a little bigger
than oh yeah, yeah, what we thought it was.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Yeah, because because I say, and I love a man,
because you asked AI cool stuff, and so our part coalition,
you all as individual artists, I mean, the the online
presence is ridiculous. And then even like you said back
in eighty seven, and then the people that you all
(15:13):
have worked with, and then being accredited as being the
foundation of putting using on the map. I want to
ask the longevity that you guys have, like what what
do you think it is that sustains South Park coalition?
And then you all as artists individually, Well.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
My opinion, and ill let everybody else respind out to me,
but my thing is three things. You know, we rooted,
We rooted in gods and almost and I know that
sounds a lot of sounds cliche a lot of times,
but that's the absolute foundation. But also the talent and
the diversity that we have. You know, none of us
(15:54):
around it sounded like each other trying to sound like
we all got our own lanes and how we get
down and just the love of the music that the
drive that we had to keep doing it even this
many years later, because.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
We saw a lot of people that you know, this game,
this game.
Speaker 8 (16:09):
And whooped a lot of people, you know, whoop them
right up out the house like they do an't't want
to do it no more.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
And yeah, we we have.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
We we never even if we felt the whooping, you know,
we got a few black guys and bruises, we was
in there fighting back and it was never thought, you know,
to let it go. So the fan base motivas and
fuels what we do. And we still love being creative,
still love putting our music and getting that response.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Well yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
I mean, my my opinion is, uh, it was for me,
it was the brotherhood. It was the the brotherhood, it
was the family uh feeling for me. You know what
I'm saying that like we all we all love music,
we all loved the game, and and what what stood
(17:06):
out to me is the with the venues we would do,
the the little bit that we would take to do
a lot right and uh and everybody had that same
type of the same type of mentality or the same
type of love for it. And so we that's what
I feel like, how we stayed connected, what connected us
(17:31):
so strong, it is because we had a common Uh
it's like a common bump, you know. M That's that's
what for me, That's what it was, That's what I felt.
So that's that's you know, because I mean, like I said,
we we kind of like I didn't battle Kay and
them back in them days like that I was a
little bit younger, and but I was I was still
(17:53):
a rapper. But then when I did actually become a
part of the SPC, it was like it was like
a cool brotherhood.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Everybody was cool with each other.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
You know.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Everybody thought they was the best rapper, but nobody, you know,
and we had our little sometimes there's been some differences,
but it was like the differences didn't matter.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
It was like, hey, we still brokes, We're still brothers.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
None of it mattered.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
It was like, hey, hey what we're gonna do this
show and we're mobbing into the Uh was that boomerang
or whatever? Just deep SBC was always deep so and
it was like whatever what, whatever issues was on the outside,
it just never penetrate, you know what I mean. It
was like it's always stayed cooling and it was always
(18:42):
brotherly love.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
That's what I That's what my that's what my vision
of it was what I.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Saw me myself ain kind of suthing it all the
way up around the board.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
But I'll say that two.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
First of all, the love of God, because we are
guardly men, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
And second of all, we all loved music, but the
kind of music that we all was gravitating to made
a lot of sense.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Yeah, or it was on the upper echalonce.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
So we was all understanding even coming into the game
and wanting to be this, we was listening to the best.
So we wanted, you know, imitate the best and make
find our way of being ourselves in the midst of that,
you know what I mean. So, and we all had
that in common. So you know, we all stumbled up
(19:41):
on it, and then we stumbled up on it as kids,
and we kept that made us be around it and
then be around each other even more, and then lock
d you know, yeah, after the battles, and so when
we would see each other, we would hear about each other,
you know, not even knowing each other. But as time progressed,
you know what I'm saying, Like I said, if it
was but Kate vision them saying, you know and not
(20:04):
being selfish and saying, man, as a collective, we'll be hard, you.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And and and it keeps, it keeps
us were so deep in it, man, it just it's
like riding a bike. For us, it's not it's not hard.
It's not hard even when it gets hard.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. When your mind is
blank and.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
You you somebody might just had a car crass, we'll
be able to pull out the adverts.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
It might it might be even better, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
Yeah, it's been a lot of ups and downs, a
lot of pressure, a lot of uh not, recognition on
the ball, falling in the core. You know, there's a
lot of this and that. But that shows our loyalty
to the love of music.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
And I appreciate that because unfortunately, man, you see dynasties
that come in the game and then things fall apart,
and then you hear about the you know, like for example, Rockefeller,
where they were where they.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Are now, the artists are now, it's insane.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
And then we saw We talked about this earlier because
y'all came in at the eighties and nineties there were
no other rappers, and we said it before. You had
to have your style, not too not one or two
rappers can sounded a light. You had to come with
the skills and like the lyrical line. You guys have
your own style, strong identities, and each one of you
(21:32):
all is you have your lane, so then you come together.
I wanted to ask, man, because I feel like the
rappers now, man, some of them are lost. Man, they
don't last. Unfortunately, art imitates life. What is your take
on the new music and then the new the new
(21:55):
music and then the new technology, the pros and the cons.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
I think you got to really understand it.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
A lot of these yunsters not thinking, you know, because
it is such a fast society and everybody, and these
kids grow up real fast and they miss their education. Yeah,
they moving too fast. And then you know they ain't
got their uncles and angels they used to give them
game everywhere they go, you know, so they hearing few
they scared to even talk to them. So you know
they out here, you know, moving a lot faster. And
(22:25):
then the technology moving faster than them. Yeah you know
what I'm saying, So you wrap about this stuff and
then it's just different too now because a lot of
them think, Okay, I gotta go get like three or
four bodies then I can start rapping.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Yeah you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I can all be a.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Few people, then I can start rapping. See, so they
can't say I'm safe.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
M what I'm saying now understanding that bro, you you
you are the vessel. You the paint brush to paint
the picture of what you see in this world on
that isn't necessarily have to be you. Yeah you pay so,
you know as an artist, So I mean you don't
have to do all that. But that's what they're thinking now.
So the way they think of coming in the game
(23:05):
gotta be real. I gotta shoot somebody, I gotta do this.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
I got to be mischievous and some sort of way
to go viral.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Man, Like they seem like they're going the opposite direction,
like you like the people that was from the street,
any of us that's from the streets and we use
wrapped to get out of the streets and try to
uh you know, get away from the gangster rhythm in
the street. And then uh it's like they trying to
(23:37):
go to the street life from a good life.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
From from a man you you are not lying because
it's like, what's my man?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
That was in what was it Roscoe? Was it Rosco's
Chicken and Waffles?
Speaker 7 (23:50):
Old boy uh uh pybe uh from Philly.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah, man, like and I see point blank join man,
what's up? Point blank up with it?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Man?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Suh No, no problems to loute brother.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I told him, Hey, man, I know you guys, bro,
I know you, like after the last time I was
off my game, but I was telling them I know y'all. Now,
another thing I wanted to ask, Like I said, over
three hundred records as a collective international affiliates, thirty five
years in the game, what advice would you give, Like,
(24:24):
what critical jewel did you get that you would give
to a person that sees you guys saw the catalog
and by hey, I want to be like them, I
want to have that sustainability. What piece of the game
would you give them that you guys got that that
golden nugget.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
Well, I'll say this, try to be unique as you
can be and come up with something that a lot
of other people don't have, you know.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Up and grind.
Speaker 9 (25:04):
Yeah, yeah, hard, grind, grind, grind, even when it gets hard, grind,
even when you want to stop, shake it off and
grind and make it work and learn the business to
make it all come together.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Three sixty five.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's kind of that kind of sum
it up for me as well.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
So they let me, Oh, let me give you a
fun factor. I know you like gangster Nip. Let me
give you a fact about uh.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Nip.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
Nip saw me better battle the Ghetto Boys and the team.
Oh it was big Mellow in there too at the time,
and so I wanted battle.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
And Nip wasn't rapping at the time.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
So Nip said, when our homeboys rhymes that used to
kicking with us and a rapper named Martini, and He's like, man,
I'm gonna battle somebody. Man here who's shining him? But
I'm gonna battle somebody. So yeah, rapping, he said, Martini
is wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Are you still on?
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Yeah? I'm still Oh yeah, he throws it, throws up.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Oh man, dang, dang, dang, somebody's gonna be.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Good. He come back that he right there. What's up?
Wi It saying, Hey, you called him the wizard?
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Yeah, hey, Carino is the Wizard Krino.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Man, how does it feel man to know?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Like now, how does it feel like thirty five years
after man to see that the the movement is still
moving on and the season is stronger, Like how does
that feel.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
It's a blessing the people. The people powered the move.
You know.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
We we put out the art and we just put
it out there and throw it against the wall and
see if it sticks. But if it's not being backed
by the people, then the vehicle stops. The people are
the gas that makes the vehicle move. Yeah, everything that
(27:22):
we got it comes from the fact that not only
the original generations of people who are in our age
group was rocking with us and still rock with us
to a degree, we have now got new generations of
twenty somethings and thirty somethings, you know, because we had
(27:42):
a point in our life now where literally a thirty
five year old could be our son, our part. They
have sons and daughters and families of their own, owning
homes and working.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
So that's how long we've been in this thing.
Speaker 8 (27:59):
But the those new generations, they perpetuate our moving they
keep it moving forward because you know, despite the fact,
like I said that the people from our generation they
still rock with us to a degree, a lot of
them are not coming to the shows.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
They older in the house.
Speaker 8 (28:19):
A lot of them may not necessarily even buy the
music unless they come across or they may not be
looking forward no more. So you know, we're powered by
really the new generation and the die hard core audience
that we built over the past thirty five closing in
on forty years. So it's a blessing man because without
(28:42):
the us not having that machine behind us, really ever, ever,
never having the machine behind us, we've outlasted a lot
of artists who did have the machine.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
So you can't equate that, man.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I as roots, right, you guys have a solid foundation.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Each of each of you guys have a outstanding catalog
with a lot of content, right, so you have that
foundation and then correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
This album number three, as.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
The Coalition, I had a question how how did it
come together? Like I always wonder, like how the hell
the niggas at wutang get all together? But you know,
with them, it was all it seemed like after the
second album, getting them all together to make other albums
seem like it was. It sounded like madness because you know,
(29:40):
sometimes it be conflict in between. How was it to
geling back? How was it getting together? The creative process
was organic.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
It was organic because I don't even think of something
that we plan to do it. We would be somewhere
beat playing, and we we already there together anyway, and
what's the name of this one. It's called whatever whatever,
And we're all writing in the same room. In a
lot of cases, we write in the same room. So
(30:10):
that the competitive spirit was that because you looking across
the room and.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
I wonder what cat's saying over? What cat right over?
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Now? I wonder what blank right now? You know, it
was organically done, so it wasn't something that we had
to craft or manufacture. Now, of course, over time when
individual careers start to pick up a little bit, now
we don't necessarily have a lot of that free time
to always be in the same room. So now it's like, okay,
(30:40):
hey man, you got a sixteen on this. You got
a twelve on that, you know beat. And once the
internet kicked in where you could actually send the beat
to somebody, you know, it was more of a convenience
in that regard, because it's like, Okay, if Cap is
at home, or Cap is out of town, or whatever
(31:01):
the case may be, like he can't just come sitting
there right Okay, Okay, we'll sending the beat. It's a
twelve man right to twelve. We'll see that, you know so,
but the chemistry was always organically there because we sat
there together putting that stuff together. And somebody, let you
hear they birds and like, oh wow, you know so
(31:22):
he just ramps it up.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
So what makes this album different from the previous albums?
Speaker 10 (31:29):
Grow?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, okay, at a.
Speaker 8 (31:32):
Lot of growth, yeah, grown man topics, grown folks topics.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, yeah, you know what a funny story.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
So one of my uncles, man, one of my cousins,
was like, you know, he's talking about music, right, it's
Usher and Chris Brown. And then my uncle's like, hey,
this is my errors before Chris, before Usher, way before
Chris Brown. He's like, woman to listen to Chris bound
for I'm more in that mature you know, Lane. And
(32:03):
I like what you said because then, like, was that
jay Z's four for four. It wasn't the jay Z
topic of like the nineties. And I like that you
said that because I feel the older we get, we
can expand on what we talk about. And I love
to see people do that, not stay in the same lane.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
I think that's the reason why SPC still still moving uh,
still moving forward, is uh, we didn't get nobody nobody
got stuck no where. You know, we was able to
you know, if I hear you know, I can hear
some k reno, I can hear some point blank stuff,
(32:43):
I hear some Clan day cast stuff, and I'll be like, uh, well,
I guess I got to step the game up again.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah, Yeah. It's like we just constantly, you know.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
What I'm saying, building up, uh, you know, and building
each other up, you know, and sometimes people might not
even know. I might be listening to some some blank
records like dang, you know, blank done?
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Where you get where where you pull that from?
Speaker 11 (33:07):
You know?
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Yeah, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:11):
We always pushed each other indirectly for the most part.
You know, we was like outside of our own individual seals,
we was like our own biggest competition, you know, because
of mainly because of just the the click song. You know,
we were like innovators of the clique songs. You know
(33:33):
what they called back in the day, It's called the
posse track, you.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Know that would have Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:37):
Yeah, so that was a staple in the South in
the South Park Coalition. It didn't matter what artist you was,
what group you was in SPC, you was gonna have
that last song on the record with everybody on it,
and that was everybody's moment to be like the showcase,
like okay cool, even even maybe lesser known artists and
(33:57):
the click that was their moment to get on this
sh okay, like I can stand up with it with
whoever else. Because the fact of the matter is that
it wasn't about popularity once the click songs got made.
It was about on that given day, Yeah, about the
hardest verse. Yeah, you have to be me, and it
had to be nip cat, blanket whoever. It's like, it
(34:20):
could be anybody can step in and and it burn
the booth up on that day. So that that's those
are things that fueled, you know how, competitive spirit. And
it was like, okay, it's a click song. Okay, that's
when you know you got to bring your best. If
it's three of us on the song, okay, we're gonna come. Harf,
it's four of us, we're gonna come. But if it's
(34:41):
seventeen of us on now, oh yeah, gotta put your
best work. Don't come in that plan, you know, you know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I forgot it bout man. You guys do got some
mixtapes under your belt too. Man, mixtapes. Yeah again, man,
thank you brothers for coming back on again because I
felt like the first one man, it was like injustice
before before we leave, Man, my last two questions is individually, man,
(35:12):
what does music mean to you all? What does music
mean to you?
Speaker 4 (35:18):
Black man? Yeah? Blank that.
Speaker 10 (35:22):
Man? To me, music is my life. Man, It's something
I fell in love with and couldn't let go, you
know what I mean. No matter how big I got,
or if I didn't reach, well I thought I should
(35:44):
have reached, I just never.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Stopped, you know what I mean.
Speaker 10 (35:49):
So it's something I really love to do and I'm
gonna continue to do it.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
Music, Music is my it's my wife.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
The music is his life. Music is my wife. You know.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
It's it's a partnership. It's a lifetime partnership that you know.
I know, none of us are never gonna divorce from
you know, it's just just the reality of it. We
like I said earlier, we saw so many people that
got just that's let the game whoop them so bad.
They just they let it go, you know. But it's
(36:31):
something for us that we become one with it. You know,
we have become the music, the music is us and
we are the music. So in that regard, it's not
gonna ever stop. And it's the it's the people's life too.
You know, we entered into a marriage with the fan base,
so now they depend on us, you know, especially these
(36:54):
times where a lot of the music is not satisfactory
to the audience, they still look to us to provide
them that nourishment, those nutrients that they don't get from
listening to the radio, that they don't get from in
andet of social media. It's like it's like somebody's feeding
my soul. And you know, we we embrace that role.
(37:17):
You know, well, music is my knife. It's just his wife,
his life. It's my knife, it's my it's my weapon
to fight depression, you know, because it's like it's been time.
I've always afforded myself, no matter what I'm going through
in my life, to always.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Be be able to do music. And so you know,
it's my knife.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
It's my weapon against everything that, uh that we go
through in life. You know, if I if I go
too long without doing music, I be kind of stressed
out and frustrate.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
So yeah, it's everything to me.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yeah, the artist, I you I like what she said.
She said music is medicine, and I'm a firm believer that.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
You know, it's crazy.
Speaker 8 (38:07):
I would say about three or four years ago I
almost named an album that I was the albums Music
is medicine, Yeah, because it is, you know, it's it's
medicine is therapy. You know, it's all those different things.
When you get the right thing, it's it's a it's
a formula that activates something in your spirit.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
You know.
Speaker 8 (38:31):
It can heal, you know, and in a lot of ways,
it could teach. Music is a teacher. Yes, it has
so many different titles and roles, but all of them
are accurate.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
You know, it could be all it could be your
worst enemy, yeah, as you so.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
Yeah, man, it's to me was what I love about
it the most is how if you in it and
you in this game the way we in it, It's
like you have an idea, you can have a feeling,
and you can literally bring it to life. Yes, yeah, literally, Yeah,
(39:09):
And that's that's what That's what's the that's what draws
me to it a lot. It's like I can go
without making no music and just wake up in the
morning out of a dream and just go crazy.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Oh yeah, when that creative spirit comes, when it just uh,
you know what. I love, Man, that something that Quincy
Jones said, Man, and I'm like, damn this brother, Quincy Jones,
Quincy Jones, Quincy Jones. He was like, when you gotta
when you create, you gotta allow enough space to let God.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Then I was like, damn, And that's what that creative
space is. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Because I'm pretty sure you guys had a like you
created something and then later you're like, man, where the
hell did that come from?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
What mindset was I in?
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Like all the time?
Speaker 8 (39:53):
Yeah, because it's because you you you can sometimes have
an out of body experience when you're creating your art
and me personally knowing like, I ain't no where clothes.
I'm not the smartest dude in the world by no stretch.
You know, I'm not the most intelligent dude. It's like,
it's a lot of stuff that I don't know. So
sometimes when you get in a mental pocket where you
(40:17):
just laying out some next level stuff, like you said,
when you revisit it, it's like that wouldn't me. You know,
I don't even know how that came together, you know,
And sometimes you can intentionally craft and put words together
in an intentional fashion where you know you did that.
(40:38):
But sometimes you can lay it out and then you
look back at it and it's perfectly in pocket, like
I would even thinking to intentionally purposely do that. So yeah,
you're going it's like a basketball player get hot. You
go into a zone. Everything you let go is going in.
You know you don't even understand.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
So yeah, and then my last question to you guys,
and already, man, like I said, the catalog, the movement,
the coalition, the Internet presence is heavy man, Jack chat GPT.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
In the Internet, y'all on lock.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
It's like paragraphs. When it's all said and done, Man,
what do you want to be? What do you want
your legacy to be remembered.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
As as a whole or as you know individual?
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Oh yeah, as an individual, like speaking on the coalition
and an individually.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
I guess the.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Wizard could talk on the coalition and then y'all can
break down the individual.
Speaker 8 (41:47):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's a whole lot
more recognition that's still out there for us to get.
We are basically the type of group that we fall
into the category of If you know you know, you know,
(42:10):
and that's cool. But by us knowing our history and
know what we've contributed, we don't feel like enough people
know about it.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
You know, we don't feel like the world.
Speaker 8 (42:23):
We feel like the world has been really deprived of
what our history really is. You know, I think it's
a lot of people that would be upset that they
missed out on that journey with us starting from then
all the way going on right now and still going forward.
(42:46):
So we got a lot of work to do as
far as us as a collective, but I would still
y'all would like for people to remember us, and part
of that to be that, you know, we were one
of the first rap collectives, not just out of the South,
but period just some hip hop period that had actual
artists that that changed the game, that fathered a lot
(43:11):
of styles, a lot of thought processes, and a lot
of art. Because the truth of the matter is any
of us whoever just been consistently putting our music, they
are they're they're well known mainstream artists, all time greats
(43:32):
who were influenced by all of us or some of us.
Hand that that they love Blank three six Mafia, they
love Blank, they love Nip You know different people, you know,
eight ball, these these different people, people that have always
showed us love that are major, major people, and and
(43:54):
and in one regard, it's like, yeah, that's cool, that
that's that's that's We're honored to have that said about us,
to know that we made an impact on people that
everybody does know. But it's not enough people that know
us yet, so we still we're still fighting for that.
Speaker 11 (44:09):
Yeah, yeah, individually, go ahead, Black, say, how where'd you
want your legacy to be?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Man?
Speaker 10 (44:22):
That I never gave up, no matter what the circumstances was,
I never gave up, kept my head up, cheatin up,
chanced out and.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
Just you know, saw it through. You know what I mean,
saw it through to the end.
Speaker 10 (44:45):
Good music. You know, keep what you can use and
throw the rest away. Because during the years of making music,
it's you know, it's it's a different person every time.
Because you mature, you don't do a lot of the
stuff that I was doing in ninety two when I
dropped my first record, So you're not gonna hear the
(45:06):
same type of subject matter.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
You know.
Speaker 10 (45:09):
It's like when you get older, you know you ain't
just finished. You know, you're trying to get some game.
You're trying to get some wisdom, you know, because you
got wisdom, you ain't just stuck in the same place.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
Man. So you know, keep what you can use.
Speaker 10 (45:26):
Throw the rest away, and just remember me for being
a hard worker that never gave up on on you know,
anything he was at the in life, never gave up
on it.
Speaker 11 (45:38):
Gotcha.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
And then, mister cap I.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Guess my thing would be, you know, like being able
to my legacy.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
Want I want my legacy to be more of like
you know, the inspiration, you know what I'm saying, Like, uh,
I thought are just for me to try to be famous,
and couldn't figure out the moves that need to be made.
And I always thought that it'll be done through technology
(46:10):
and stuff like that. And and still you know, and
it took me many years to understand that it's the machine.
It's a certain machine for the popularity, you know what
I'm saying. I feel like if any one of us
brought any kind of popularity and eyes and visibility to
(46:31):
to click and everybody are being to shine hard enough
to where whatever they individual legacy would be will will
be that to the world, you know what I'm saying.
And that's kind of what you know, I fight for
as far as I for as me. But it seemed like,
(46:51):
you know, my direction with music. It'll be like, oh yeah,
he also do music. That's you know what I'm saying.
It'll be like people be like, you know, oh, they
do all this CAP in this cap he you know,
he the tech guy. He uh he developed cryptocurrency. He
the one who you know, introduced certain people to NFTs
(47:15):
and and he build the apps and the websites and
do the graphics and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Oh yeah, he also is a member of the SPC.
And he he can rap, he can do music. He's
big in the music game too.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
It's like it's like whatever, like somebody say, Okay, that's
what you know CAP is all about. But you know,
like I really really still and to this day, we're
still fighting hard to get them eyes and their visibility
on the SPC and the individual artists. That's a part
(47:54):
of the SPC. So and I feel like that's my job.
I feel like that's what I.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Want to do.
Speaker 5 (47:59):
I want to be known as Hey, he's the one
who helped get them eyes on his PC.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
Yeah, And I will say, man, you guys are doing
my research and then oh man, okay, yeah, I do
know these cats. You guys are movement man, just the
catalog and the yeah, the man, it's a whole.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Like I said, it's paragraphs, pages upon pages.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
Man. Yeah, and it's uh still cat on or did
he I know somebody?
Speaker 5 (48:30):
He came in and I think he probably having some
technical difficulties. Okay, came back in and he dropped off
and came in and I don't know you have an issue?
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Well yeah, man, I want to say, brothers, thank you
again for coming back on and listeners. I mean, if
you don't know who these you know who.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
These cats are, please check out the catalog again.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
I compare you guys to woutan y'all pre tam each
y'all lyrics on point, catalogs on point, and again, thank
you for being on Deeper than music. So this is
Markivis with uh mster Capp, Kay Reno and point blank
signing off on Deeper than music.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
Thank you, brother, Thank you, glue bro
Speaker 10 (49:24):
Go get the new album Times the Bonders
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