Depeche Mode: the podcast - 50’s DM? Memento Mori Bonus Track Version? - Depeche Mode: The Podcast w/ Jon Justice

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, this is Martin Gold from Depeche Mode. Alright, this
is Diegone from depeche Mode and you are listening to
my word rollan.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome to it depeche Mode the podcast. I'm your host,
John Justice. Glad you're with another episode this week. As always,
you can email me talkshow Nerd at gmail dot com.
Got a lot of listener feedback this week, which will
probably be most of the focus of this week's episode

(00:37):
in the absence of any other major news as we
continue to await more details about the official release of
depeche Mode. M that being said, I want to share
something with you first off, something that's been shared quite
a bit throughout the fandom over the course of the
past week. As a matter of fact, I had it

(00:59):
listed to talk about on last week's A show and
I just completely, I completely failed to go and address it,
even though I put a link to this particular item
in the notes for the show. You can find it there.
So a couple of items before we get to that though.
First Off, in my weekly digging, my perusing, my scouring

(01:22):
of the internet, I discovered that coming out on Tuesday,
July twenty ninth, BBC Radio four is going to be
hosting a special Depeche Mode short documentary called depeche Mode
reach Out and Touch Faith. Sasha free Jones leads you

(01:47):
on an unlikely journey of Depeche Mode's world domination through
class coolness, eyeliner, bondage, synth and Britain's cultural in sole.
So again, this is a slated to drop on the
twenty ninth of this month on BBC Radio Four and

(02:08):
there's a link attached to it. And what I'll do
is so not next week, but the week after. I'll
be sure to post a specific link to the episode.
And I believe this is just an audio episode, no
video attached to it.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
So that's the.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
One news item that I can share this week on
the show. There's something else that I discovered. It might
be something, It probably isn't, but I wanted to share
it with you anyhow. So I've gotten my hands on
a clean copy. It appears that it was still recorded

(02:47):
during one of the screenings of Depeche Mode m but
I have I have been able to get my hands
on a at least the cleanest copy that I've heard of.
The unreleased song that's included in the credits of the
film of In the end, I'm working on cleaning it
up a little bit more and providing the.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Intro to it.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
There's no intro attached to the audio of the song. However,
you can kind of extrapolate what the intro would have
been based off of the remainder of the song. So
keep an eye out on your podcast to feed. I
won't be able to post this on YouTube for copyright
infringement to purposes, but I can go and post it

(03:31):
on the podcast. So keep an eye on your podcast
in the next few days and I'll post just a
clean copy of it once I have a chance to
throw it into Adobe audition and mess with it. The
reason I bring it up, not just because I want
you to keep an eye on you on your podcast,
is because working in Apple iTunes, I dumped the MP

(03:51):
three into Apple iTunes, and even when it comes to
things such as bootlegs, which essentially this is an official
track that hasn't been released, I like to go in
and add the relevant details and info, whether it's the
graphic right the thumbnail that goes along with whatever the

(04:12):
song is. In this case, I just used the momento
more recover. Since this track was from the Memento Morey sessions.
But then I went in and added the details in
terms of album name and song title. What was interesting, though,
is when I went in to add that info in
Apple iTunes for you know, for those that have used

(04:32):
this before, and it probably rings true for most music
streaming platforms. But in Apple iTunes you can go to
get info and then you can update all the different
aspects of the specific details regarding whatever song it is.
And they often provide drop down menus where Apple iTunes
will try to go and fill in the blank like Google,

(04:55):
those are based off of actual items within Apple's catalog.
When I went to add what album in the End
came from, it provided a drop down option of Memento
Maury Bonus Track Edition. Now this is not to say

(05:21):
that it's attached to in the end. I hadn't even
added the title of the song yet. It is to
say that when I was searching for Depeche Mode and
it provided Depeche Mode as an option, right, you press
D and it starts bringing up the band names and
you start typing out depeche and eventually the land on
depeche Mode. Same thing happened with Memento Moriy typed in

(05:42):
Memento Mori. And for those that aren't aware, fly Leaf
actually has an album named Memento Moriy going back to
several years ago, but one of the options was Memento
Moriy Bonus Track Edition. There is no Momento Mori Bonus
Track Edition. There's the there's the deluxe edition that they released,
but that had did not have any extra tracks on it.
And as far as I know, and as a matter

(06:04):
of fact, I will just reconfirm this, I'll go into
my Apple iTunes right now and do just a quick
search for Depeche Mode and Memento Mori, and I'm just
out of pure curiosity. I want to see if it
ends up auto filling any of that. So my apologies

(06:26):
for doing this on the fly, as my typing is atrocious.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
I By the way, I always, for some reason, I
always default.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
To spelling Memento m O instead of me. I don't
know why. I just I don't know why I do that.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
So yeah, no, there is no There is no Memento
Mori Bonus edition listed up front, but it is available
as a drop down option, so I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
I'm not going to read a lot into it.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
I can't imagine at this point in time that the
band has made any sort of decision wherein they would
have sent out that information to streaming platforms, wherein they
would have felt the need to go and put that
in the system already. But the fact that it was
an option for the album title, I just found rather

(07:16):
interesting and I wanted to share it with you this week.
What if Depeche Mode recorded Violator in the nineteen fifties?
YouTube creator at mars V seventy six MRCVE seventy six,
according to the article from Sideline, has too much time

(07:38):
on his hands, and so it seems. A few days ago,
he released a YouTube video in which he reimagined Depeche
modes nineteen ninety Violator as if it were recorded in
the nineteen fifties by the Depeche Modes. He also created
a very subtle band picture featuring Depeche Mode in its
nineteen ninety lineup. Obviously you by AI by the way,

(08:01):
you can pretty much tell. The twenty eight minute, twelve
second video was uploaded on July seventh, and while the
vocal line isn't that of Dave Gonner Martin Gore, you
get an idea of how it could have been. The
project probably relied heavily on cutting edge artificial intelligence tools.
I would argue that it probably was all AI. While

(08:22):
the process is in detailed in the video description, the
techniques likely involve a combination of AI music generation, auto manipulation,
and style transfer, based on industry standard practices for such projects. Now,
the creator is no stranger to this retro AI alchemy.
To put it mildly, having built a YouTube channel around

(08:46):
reimagining iconic albums as nineteen fifties recordings. The catalog spans
a diverse range of artists and genres, each transformed with
the same meticulous care as Violator. I didn't include the
music on the podcast, again simply because I want to
avoid any sort of copyright infringement, and while the vocals

(09:09):
are not Dave or Martin, clearly, I still didn't want
to run the risk of having to go and re
edit the podcast. But that being said, the link is
available in the podcast notes, so I hope you will
go and check it out. I was actually texting back
and forth with my buddy John j oh And Justice
and longtime friend of this show, and I agree with him.

(09:33):
I think waiting for the Night is probably one of
the most interesting tracks on it, although the entire album
reimagined in fifties music in and of itself being an oddity,
is a rather enjoyable listen and listen, I'm kind of

(09:53):
a preferred way that I think AI You is useful
in giving us an idea and reimagining things like this
that were never possible before. If you've listened to my
past comments regarding Depeche Mode and AI, and I was
a little more open to it before, and it quickly

(10:13):
burned on me. It's interesting those first few tracks that
were created, and specifically that one like a Mystery by
Andrea or Andrea Fryar, I still feel as one of
the best, and that was, you know, that's sort of
ancient AI technology by today's standards of what AI is
now capable of. But at the end of the day,

(10:36):
the other AI versions that I've heard of Depeche just
have not met any sort of standard relating to their
being enjoyable. That's a very convoluted way for me to
say that they're just not very good. All right, let's

(10:57):
get to your listener feedback this week on the show. First,
we hear from Matthew Swinnerton who writes this, Hey John,
thanks for bringing up the Dodger Stadium shows. I can't
believe that was thirty five years ago. Of course, that
was the show that so many DM fans wish we
had the full video recording of. Also pretty amazing that

(11:19):
the shows were just two years, one month, seventeen days
after one oh one. The Rose Bowl was my first
concert ever and thanks to chat GPT for figuring that
out for me. Again, good use of AI. In the
end of the day, it was a special time, Like
you mentioned for Los Angeles Depeche Mode fans, it was
such a different world that we were experiencing. Now, security

(11:41):
to any venue was super tight, but back then you
just walked in before the sound checks and sat down
and watched the sound check. No one asked us to leave.
We did that for the cure when they played the
year before in the Pixies Love and Rockets at Dodger Stadium.
Just walked right in around two o'clock in the afternoon,
he posted. Matthew posted a couple of photos from the

(12:02):
soundcheck when they were watching of those Dodger Stadium shows,
and Matthew I emailed this to him, but I'll just
add again, I cannot thank him enough for sharing that
sharing those photos.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I had not seen any images from that.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Day, those days since those days, and I distinctly remember
those days, especially the first night. I remember driving up
in my father's tan full Swagen bus with my buddies,
my buddy Mike, his girlfriend at the time that inevitably
became my girlfriend be that is a May Christina and

(12:40):
some of our other friends, listening to electronic in the car.
We had flour seats tenth row for the first night
of that show, and seeing those photos just took me
right back, and it was absolutely amazing, you know, seeing
the one oh one photo. You see those every single year,

(13:02):
and you've got all of the one oh one imagery
along with the documentary, along with the booklet and Anton
Corbin's photos and the soundtrack and everything else. But you
don't have that for Dodger Stadium, And you're right, for
LA fans, those were huge shows and I'll never forget
those those shows, and so it was just a special

(13:23):
special treat to to have you share those. Matthew goes
on to say, for no news weeks. I know it
will be a lot more work, but interviewing fans that
had cool experiences small show meeting the band would be
interesting for the podcast.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Thank you for all you do, Matthew. I comply.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
I completely agree, and I don't know one day, I
hope to get a lot better at that. I've mentioned
this before. It's difficult because I just don't know when
I'm going to be able to record the podcast because
of my weekly schedule. And even right now as I
sit here, it's three point thirty on a Wednesday afternoon,
and I'm doing the show now because I know tomorrow

(14:00):
I'm not going to have the time other than just
piecing the show together to post it online because this
will be posted on Thursday. I've been wanting to get
Rob Rahm on the show ever since he went and
saw em, and I just haven't been able to do
that because sometimes it's like, oh, I got an hour,
I can go and record the podcast. So it's something
that I'm definitely looking at doing in the future. And

(14:21):
I know I've been saying that for a long time,
but it's the full time job. Takes a lot of
my time. So next up the channeling right you Forgot Lillian,
which was the shared single of John the reve later
if they were on tour, they should live debut Lillian
and people are good. So when I was covering the

(14:42):
possibility of a singles tour sometime in the near future,
of which I haven't heard any confirmation of, it's just
been rumors, and probably weak rumors at that. To be honest,
I did not forget Lillian. I intentionally didn't bring it
up in my conversation only because I can't imagine them

(15:02):
ever doing that song live. And I always kind of
looked at Lillian as being a B side rather than
a shared single with John the Revelator, even though you
are technically correct, so it was not, and it was
an intentional oversight on my part. And Lilian's not a
song that really ever grabbed me all that much anyhow.

(15:24):
And I don't think I've ever gone and had a
moment where I've thought I need to go play Lillian.
I don't think that's ever happened, all right, Dolores Luna writes,
I'd like a smaller, more intimate tour that focuses on
B sides and acoustic interpretations of the songs, maybe tell
a few stories in between. Let it be a final

(15:46):
tour for their true fans. I don't need to see
Dave running around on stage and straining his voice in
some of the songs, now that he's in his sixties.
Give a final goodbye to your fans and retire with dignity.
I say that in the most respectful way possible. I'm
a devot for life. I certainly would I certainly would

(16:07):
want to go and watch a show like that. I
will say for me personally, And I actually mentioned this
to my want to my wife recently, and it wasn't
regarding Depeche Mode, it was just regarding it in general.
I'm just over acoustic interpretations of songs, and I think
it's I think I fluctuate. Sometimes I'm into it and
sometimes I'm not. There was a time when I was

(16:27):
really into acoustic Depeche Mode, but now I'm more, like
you know, at the moment, I'm leaning into the production
aspect of it and fully produced in epic music, and
the acoustic songs just.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Currently aren't my jam.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
But I can totally see why that would be a
desired show and one that I would absolutely go and watch,
regardless of how I feel personally right now about acoustic music.
Fabian Flores says an Oh one twenty five single tour
could be really interesting if the band had chosen their
singles better. This is the biggest problem for me. Every
album released since has contained gems to play live. It

(17:05):
makes you wonder if they're the ones who decide. My
understanding is they typically do decide, and I know that
when you look at a song like Heaven that was
targeted right out of the gate by the band to
be the first single off of Delta Machine, and I
can't understand why they would choose that song, even though

(17:27):
that song has grown on me quite a bit. But
I remember, specifically Dave saying that they wanted Heaven to
be the intro to Delta Machine because it was different
and they wanted to set the vibe, and that's what
they typically do with their lead singles off the album.
Dream On was much in that way as well, and
I thought that that was a week single to lead
off of with exciter. That being said, when it comes

(17:51):
to in the End, and I'm just I'm staring at
it right now on my desktop, that's to me should
have been on Memento Mori. That's that in the end
is single worthy to me?

Speaker 1 (18:05):
I cannot wait to.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Hear a fully clean version released of that track, because
it's borderline as good in my opinion as my favorite
songs off my mento Mory Ghosts Again and Don't Say
You Love Me specifically.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
So sometimes I scratch my head and ask, yeah, you're right.
I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
They've chosen particular songs as singles. Vulkar Braun writes in
and says, why another best of tour? Since nineteen ninety eight,
every tour was a best of tour. Oh, you take
that attitude somewhere else. I'm not gonna go down the
rationale of why they choose the songs that they do

(18:48):
when it comes to their live shows. But I get it,
but I don't agree anyway.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Modeman one oh.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
One says at this point, I doubt they would put
together another chronolog logical singles collection picking up or eighty
six to ninety eight left off. If they were to
release another compilation, I would expect the best of Volume two. Well,
you know, mode man, I just respectfully disagree. I would
think that in sort of a completest way that an

(19:18):
one to twenty five or twenty three, depending on you know,
what dates you want to use, for when singles were
officially released, I would think an oh one to We'll
split the difference. Twenty four single collection would chronologically if
the band weren't making any more music, would be the
logical choice. The best of album didn't seem to really,

(19:40):
you know, grab anybody. I always felt the best of
Volume One that felt the most cash grabby to me
of compilation releases. I didn't feel that way about the
singles releases. I didn't feel that way about Catching Up.
That being said, I was much younger. The or fact

(20:00):
that Catching Up With was titled Catching up With to me,
separated it from being sort of a greatest Hits compilation,
even though that's what it was called in Europe, and
even the People Are People album, which it took me
many years to realize that that wasn't even an official
album release. This was early on in my fandom that

(20:21):
was an American compilation they'd put together. The best of
Volume one just seemed to me like a bit of
a cash grab because it was kind of just a
combination of what we got via Catching Up With and
the singles releases put on one album. So, but thank
you for writing it. We can agree to disagree it's
all good. David Hudson, friend of the show rights, that's

(20:42):
absolutely incredible talking about Dodger Stadium. Dodger Stadium, not only
was depeche but in the midst of their height of popularity,
but simultaneously with Bernard Sumner and Johnny Maar performing, three
of the four biggest alternative bands of our generation were represented. Yeah,
and that listen that show.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
It's just guy. It was so good.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
It's a tragedy. We do not have an official release
of that show. In some capacity, it was such an
interesting bridge between what the band had been doing live
in terms of their stage presentation and where they were
going with Anton Korbin's visuals. You had you like, you

(21:23):
had a bit of black celebration and that tour in
terms of the stage design along with some of music
for the masses. But then you have this elevated experience
in Anton KORbin and the visuals that he was providing,
and then of course you get to just the incredible
devotional tour. I mean just yeah, and that bridge. The

(21:47):
World Violation Tour stage design set list was the bridge
to everything that came afterwards for the for the band.
Instrumental electronic music rights better with a tour with B sides,
So second vote for a B sides tour. But we're
forgetting that it's hard to learn new songs this tour.

(22:08):
He was struggling to learn my favorite Stranger. I wasn't
aware of that. I didn't realize he was having a
hard time with that. Interesting. All right, let's do one
more just for the sake of time, because my time
is short this week. Unfortunately, hence why I'm recording this
on Wednesday afternoon. Swash Girl one writes this, I traveled

(22:30):
from Houston with my daughter with great anticipation to attend
the premiere of Depeche Mode m.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
The movie was a.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Concert film interspersed with commentary about the Mexican culture and
parallels between it and the theme of the album. Surprised
and disappointed that Dave couldn't be bothered to even look
in the direction of fans screaming Dave, we love you
on his way into the theater, let alone wave or
Heaven forbid? Sign in the eye and on stage. Afterward,

(23:03):
Dave admitted that he was less than enthused about doing
another concert film. He also reported being annoyed with the
with all the drone cameras in his face during filming. Overall,
I got the feeling that he didn't want to be there.
Interesting take on it, and you know who knows, you

(23:26):
know why Dave was in was in the apparent mood
that he may have He may have been in. I
will say that not an excuse, but I wonder this
was place taking place in New York. They're out of
their any sort of creative element at the moment right

(23:47):
right now. They're kind of on hiatus. He's wrapped up
this tour. He's living his life in New York City,
doing whatever he's doing to buy his time. He's basically
taking time off. He's in his off time right now.
And yet he is in New York, has to go
to the premiere of this film, and you know who
knows what his attitude is towards it, And maybe he

(24:11):
just wasn't kind of in the promotion mode, right And
I can relate to that a little bit. I'm not
in this, don't misunderstand. I'm not comparing myself to Dave
Gone by any stretch of the imagination, but just being
a radio talk show host and a personality in a
large city. You know, I go out and less so

(24:32):
here in Minneapolis, even though it happens when people recognize
me when I'm out doing things, which is which is fine.
I always appreciate. I love talking to people who listen
to the show. When I was in Tucson, I was
a regular occurrence. I'd been there for I was there
for nine years and it's a small city, medium sized city,
but relatively small. There long enough and you know, people
recognize you. And I also had a television show while
I was there as well. My show was broadcast for

(24:53):
two hours every single morning. Yeah, there's times when you
just don't want to talk to people, so maybe that
was the case. So it's a bummer you didn't have
a good experience, But I hope you enjoyed the film.
And again, not not providing excuses for day that is
a bummer, especially if you traveled all the way there.
But I just wonder if Dave was like, I'm not

(25:13):
in Depeche mode promotion mode. Maybe he doesn't really carry
their way if the movie comes out. I thought it
was surprising when during the press conference afterwards, David made
the comment that he heard in the end and was like,
I was unfamiliar with the song. Oh yeah, I recorded it.
That just seems bonkers to me. For the amount of
effort that they put into each track that you know

(25:35):
there would even be a moment of hesitation of unfamiliarity
with a particular.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Track that they made.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
But not being a musician and not having recorded as
many songs as Depeche Mode has, I suppose that is
a thing. Clearly it was for Dave. Unless he was
exaggerating a little bit, maybe he was.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
All right. Thank you so much to everybody who wrote
it in this week. I greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
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Speaker 1 (27:17):
We'll be back again next weekend.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
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Speaker 1 (27:24):
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Speaker 1 (27:35):
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