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- Waiting on M speculation
- Listener feedback
- Song Commentary
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, this is Martin Gold from Depeche Mode. Alright, this
is Diegone from Depeche Mode and you are listening.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
To my word Broan. It's depeche Mode the podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I'm your host, John Justice, and I'm glad that you
are with another episode this week. As always, if you
want to email me talkshow Nerd at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Be sure to leave a comment on YouTube if you're enjoying.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:44):
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Speaker 3 (00:46):
YouTube due to copyright issues, and this week on the show,
I'm adding a new element that will only be available
on the podcast as I cannot put it on the
YouTube channel. So when you hear me talking about my
science fiction space Offera series, which will be short, be
sure you stick around till after that to hear the
(01:08):
latest edition to the podcast only for the podcast listeners,
not available on YouTube. With that, let's go ahead and
get into this week's episode now. In the wake of
last week's announcement of Depeche Mode M hitting theaters on
October twenty eighth, set to screen on over twenty five
(01:28):
hundred cinemas across more than sixty countries, with those tickets
going on sale September seventeenth. The website, of course, Depeche
modem dot com.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
We haven't had any.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
New news since last week, nor any possible news regarding
the unreleased tracks from amentto Mori. Those four tracks that
we continue to talk about on the show now in
the end, of course, was included in the credits to
Memento Mori M.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
And I've been on.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
The Depeche Dashmode dot com page, the home forum, and
they've got a fantastic thread devoted to Depeche Mode M,
and a lot of speculation and intrigue around what we'll
get in terms of a physical release. I have no
doubt at all that will end up getting a physical
release of the movie in and of itself. The question
(02:22):
really remains of do we get sort of an audio
release to coincide with that.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
My guess would be yes.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I heard rumors from very reliable sources over the course
of the past year that there was talk of a
live album being released. Now whether or not we end
up getting the entirety of the Mexico shows that were
filmed for depeche Mode M.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Remains to be seen.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
However, I could see a digital release, you know, we'd
like a physical release.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I'd love to have a CD, but I could.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Certainly go and see a digital release for depeche Mode M.
Sort of as a soundtrack that could pass include at
a bare minimum in the end that was included in
the end credits of the film itself, and if not,
maybe perhaps those other four unreleased tracks also. My you know,
my thought on this is that the physical release aspect
(03:16):
of the film aside. I was told that those four
tracks from the Memento More Recessions would be released, and
they have been authorized to be released by the band
in promotion of the film. My expectation would be that
within the next couple of weeks, specifically September seventeenth, I
would hope, and again a part of me expects that
(03:38):
we'll get the digital release of in the end and
maybe one of the tracks from the movie itself, one
of the live tracks from the tour in those Mexico
shows released on your you know, on your platforms, on
your music platforms, whether it's Apple, iTunes, Spotify, whatever, to
coincide with the ticket sale to offer up some promotion
(04:00):
that makes the most sense for me. And a part
of that is just because I'm desperate to get a
clean copy of in the End. I absolutely love that song,
and if you haven't heard it yet, make sure you
go and check out the podcast. I did release one
specific podcast that was just the cleanest version of in
the End that was recorded at one of the screenings.
(04:22):
I had to do some tinkering with the song as
it was missing the first few moments of the song,
so I sort of recrafted it based off of the
end of the track to create an entire track. But
I absolutely love that song. I firmly believe that it
should have been on Memental Maury. So I'm again excited
to get a really clean copy of it because the
production on it sounds absolutely spectacular. Now, speaking of production,
(04:46):
and I've talked about this on previous episodes, but I'll
go ahead and remind you here. Marta Salongney, who along
with James Ford, was in charge of producing Memento Maury
and did a fantastic job. She was tasked with mixing
Depeche Mode M. And this is you know, provided again
quite a bit of speculation among fans that well, if
(05:09):
she mixed the live show for the movie, then she
more than likely went and mixed the entirety of the concert.
Fernando Frius, the director of Depeche Mode M, has said
publicly that he had a difficult time choosing which songs
were going to be included in the film and which
ones weren't. And if that's the case, then more than
(05:30):
likely that means they had the entire concert to work with.
So with a physical release, we could possibly go and
get the entirety of the show and not just what's
included in Depeche Mode M. Somebody had posted as well,
and I wasn't aware of this that apparently going back
to the Delta Machine days and the Delta Machine tour
(05:53):
that there was a debate between both Dave Gone and
Andrew Fletcher, and Dave go On preferred just the documentary
with the concert footage that Anton Corbin had created for
the live in Berlin release or had you know, had
had created around that tour, and Dave Gone just wanted
(06:15):
the documentary with the footage released, and it was Fletch
who wanted the totality the entire concert released. Well, the
compromise was they ended up releasing the box set in
which we got both versions. The documentary version that you
know contains the live songs along with interviews that Anton
Corbin had did with the fans, and also the entire concert.
(06:37):
I still am so incredibly disappointed with the physical release
of Live in Berlin because of Anton's insistence to shoot
it in low resolution. It's one thing when he shot
on film for devotional that still looks fantastic, it looks
like it was a film, a.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Movie, but since he used the digital.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Cameras but shot it at a lower resolution, whenever I
watch it on a big screen, and I've complained about
this before, the quality of the picture is just atrocious.
Now many have mentioned that if you go and download
the digital version of the of the concert for the
Delta Machine Tour, it is a clean version. That being said,
I'd like to have the physical copies. I'm a big
(07:19):
fan of physical media, so I really enjoyed that show
more so than the Spirit Tour, which is why it's
so disappointing that unfortunately, when I throw it up on
my big screen at home, the picture just looks bad.
And it's not even like pixelated bad. It's got like
there's like lines in it. And the way that he
shot it, and I remember how well documented it was
(07:43):
that Anton Corbin was just insistent that it was filmed
this way.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So, all right, enough of my rambling.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I want to get to your listener feedback that I
didn't get a chance to on last week's episode. And
again you can always email me talkshow Nerd at gmail
dot com. So let's get to some of your thoughts
from over the past week. First off, friend of the show,
Jason writes in and says this, I've listened to the
BBC radio documentary about Depeche Mode and it wasn't that bad.
(08:13):
I too, have now listened to it as well, and
it was okay. It was about what I had expected.
Jason goes on to say, I treated it more of
an essay question asked by an American that they tried
to answer. Why is Depeche Mode treated as a supergroup
all around the world but not in its home country
in the UK, Which is probably a question all DM
(08:36):
fans ask, especially US UK fans. In the UK, most
of the public probably thinks that they are an eighties
band that no longer exists. It's something that really resonated
with me as it is the exact opposite of what's
happened here in my hometown of Birmingham and in the
UK in general over the last seven days or so
(08:58):
with the passing morning celebration of Ozzy Osbourne. Even if
not a fan of heavy metal, Black Sabbath or even
the music of Ozzy Osbourne, we all loved Ozzy. He
was one of us, a working class lad from a
humble background here in Birmingham who achieved his dream and
along the way helped create a whole new genre, new music,
(09:19):
genre and culture across the world. He was proud of that,
and the whole city wanted to celebrate his achievements and
life as well as how he represented the city globally.
I doubt the same would happen for DM in this country,
although I understand a campaign is underway in Baselton to
honor the band regard Jason. Yeah, and we actually talked
(09:41):
about that on a couple of episodes back a few
weeks ago. So as always, thank you for that, Jason.
Let's move on to Xavier Kin, who writes this talking
about a post regarding DM rumors, and Xavier says nothing
that we haven't heard before regarding DM rumors except the
following caught my eye. Martyr was released as a single
(10:05):
for the Best of Depeche Mode Volume one, originally being
intended as the lead single for Playing the Angel and
was originally known as Martyr for Love as opposed to Martyr.
The lead single was changed to Precious due to fears
that Martyr was to poppy compared to the rest of
(10:26):
Playing the Angel. Buenos Dias, God Bless you and your family.
Xavier Caane, God bless to you and your family as
as well. I remember that story from the release of
Playing the From the release of Playing the Angel, I
don't think i'd heard the part that it was actually
supposed to be a lead single, which makes sense. The
commentary that I had heard was that they thought it
(10:50):
was such a strong enough track to be a single,
that's why they released it as a single. That being said,
I love Martyr. I completely disagree that it would have
presented sort of a false impression of what Playing the
Angel was supposed to be. I certainly would have considered
putting that on the album. Unfortunately, I feel like its
(11:10):
release as a single didn't really take off because it
was attached to the to the Best of Depeche Mode
Volume one, even though it was an incredibly strong track
and a track that I go back and listen to
quite often. So what Xavier Kane is driving at here, though,
I think, speaks further to what I've been talking about
in terms of the quality of those four unreleased tracks
(11:32):
from Memento Maury, and specifically in the end, I just
I can't say enough good things about that song. I
absolutely love that track, and as a matter of fact,
it's probably my favorite track next to Ghosts Again from
Memento Maury.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I'm just lumping it into Memento Maury with.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Ghosts Again and Don't Say You Love Me being my
favorite songs from that album. I would actually put in
the end between those two tracks. And there's an argument
to me made once I hear the clean version, not
the recorded version that I have in my possession, that
I may like it more than Ghosts Again. It really
just has that Depeche Mode vibe while still being wholly modern.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
It takes me back though to Black Celebration.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I just I love that track and it has me really,
really enthusiastic for those other three tracks that we have
yet to hear. All right, let's go, Aha, let's go
and hear from Chris Culpepper, friend of the show, talking
about Songs of Faith and Devotion being his favorite time
period for DM music, live shows, image, etc.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
He asks the question, though, am I delusional? In my opinion?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I don't think he is, a friend of mine recently
stated that DM had lost the plot in ninety three
and ninety four, made too many changes and never recovered. Listen,
your friend is not alone in that take. I got
a buddy of mine who I'd grown up with at
a young age relatively speaking, in the time period leading
up to Songs of Faith and Devotion, who was as
(13:03):
big of a depeche Mode fan as I was. He
actually began to get turned off of depeche Mode when
Violator came out. He said it sounded to house that
being said, he had completely abandoned depeche Mode by the
time Songs of Faith and Devotion had come out. Now,
Chris goes on to say, he stated the following case
(13:25):
which made me question everything.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
He says.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
One incorporating live drums into their set. Two obvious tension
and drug use in the band. Three, very extreme change
and sound in image four, essentially dumping their eighties catalog
except for four or five songs. Five Songs of Faith
and Devotion sold about half a Violator six DM never
sold any greater copies of Songs of Faith and Devotion
(13:49):
after ninety three Ultra Excier, playing the Angel, etc. Obviously,
I had my defense that I can share another time.
Sorry for being verbose, Thank you, Chris Culpepper. No, not
being verbose at all. First off, as I always say,
it's subjective, you know, views on depeche Mode and what
eras we like more and which albums we think of
(14:10):
the best.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
It really really is all subjective.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Now that being said, I completely disagree with what he's
saying there. I love depeche Mode and the fact that
they challenged me as a you know, a young teenager
heading into his twenties who fell in love with the
band going back to eighty five were now parked in
(14:35):
between ninety and ninety three era. I'm kind of coming
into my own as an adult. Fell in love with
Violator like everybody did. Thought it was the best album
I'd ever heard in my entire lifetime. At the Time
tour that followed did the same thing, and being completely
hyped for what songs of Faith and Devotion was going
to bring, and then being broadsided by this massive change
(14:59):
from the band that challenged me and my love for
the band, but what ultimately ended up being one of
my favorite albums by Depeche Mode. Even though it sounds
incredibly different in terms of the musical arrangements, lyrical content
remained the same. You know, the band obviously, as they
have admitted themselves and Dave Gone wanted they butched up.
(15:21):
But I was actually listening to I Feel You on
the drive in this morning, and it's not a song
that I returned to you often, but when that song hits,
it hits. But it made me appreciate music and it
made me have more of an open mind to not
just Depeche Mode, but all forms of music. Wherein at
that time period, I think for a lot of us,
(15:44):
we kind of shut out songs that we had grown
up with liking, and we became a little bit more
exclusive and clicky.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
In the music that we listened to.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I was watching a compilation video last night, and I
love going back and watching these little snapshots of time
that circle around years in which Depeche Mode had some
sort of, you know, a historical significance. So I watched
a nineteen ninety eight video compilation about eight minutes long,
of all the number one songs that were released in
(16:17):
nineteen ninety eight. Oh, I'm sorry, No, I'm sorry, it
was nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
My bad. It was nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
That's right, because it would have been heading into the
release of Music for the Masses and then heading into
eighty eight and of course the Rose Bowl Show. Okay,
so it was nineteen eighty seven. And what was really
fascinating about watching this compilation of number one songs from
January through December was how many of these songs that
I was really really familiar with but were completely out
of the genre that I would end up listening to
(16:46):
as I got older. My mind was a lot more
open at a younger age, right, I wasn't sort of
a snobby and pinkies up about the music that I
listened to. I subsequently followed that up by watching the
compilation video of nineteen eighty eight the following year. And
what's really interesting is a bunch of those number one
tracks I was not as familiar with nor did I
(17:08):
like them, And that coincides directly with my depeche Mode fandom,
wherein I was turning almost exclusively to listening to alternative
music and it pushed away any other genres of music.
I say all this getting back to Songs of Faith
and Devotion and how it challenged me.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
In the way that I go.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Interpret art and appreciate art because later in years, while
I kept that same sort of elitist attitude towards the
genres of music that I listened to through Depeche Mode,
and how they changed with albums and challenged their own
music while still their own musical conventions while still being
(17:50):
Holy depeche Mode, it made me actually go and appreciate
as I got older those other genres of music that
I simply didn't listen to during that time period where
I was exclusively listening to alternative music. It kind of
come full circle with it. So again, getting back to
Chris Culpepper's comments, I'm with him. Songs of Faith and
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Devotion is one of my favorite time periods. It's the
tour that I saw the most Depeche Mode shows live.
It's probably one that again helped form my opinion of
music more so than Violator did, and it made me
much more open to not just what Depeche Mode does
as a band and how they change from album to album,
(18:34):
but what other bands do and the other genres that
Depeche Mode pulled from as well. That time period was fantastic.
The live show was spectacular, as was everything surrounding that
particular era, and I think that translates a bit to
Ultra as well. You know, with the band coming out
of the difficult time period that they'd had, with Alan
(18:56):
Wilder leaving, with Dave Gahn attempting to go in overcome
his drug addiction. You know, there was sort of this
carryover in the fandom of Ultra and an album that
most people, including the band say never really should have
existed until they got back on their feet, the singles
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Speaker 2 (20:17):
I haven't come up with a great name for it yet.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
At the moment, I'm just calling it depeche Mode Song Commentary.
What I want to do is I want to take
a depeche Mode track that resonates with me personally and
provide my own sort of live commentary on top of it.
For the first track that I've chosen, going back to
the Songs of Faith and Devotion Era, I'm actually choosing
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a live track from the devotional tour. It's probably one
of my favorite versions of this song live as let
me back up, this is my favorite version of the
song live, and I absolutely love the arrange and everything
regarding this particular recording of enjoy the Silence from Devotional
(21:15):
There was something really amazing during this time period when
we didn't have access to the setlists. It was always
this little revelation that took place with every single song
the first time you saw the show, especially if you
hadn't heard the mixes yet, you weren't entirely sure which
(21:36):
song it was. Now, if you are a hardcore Depeche
Mode fan, you probably already recognized that this was Enjoyed
the Silence.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
But it's funny to listen to the crowd.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
As the song progresses and the crowd has the realization
of what the song actually is. You can begin to
hear the crowd erupt as they start to realize that
this is Enjoyed the Silence, and it kicks in. It
happens again when Martin's guitar riff starts right here. It's
(22:14):
as if suddenly the Norby's realize the song it is
that they're listening to, and Martin's guitar work and the
arrangement on this tour is second to none.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Looks like violence, great good silence, compassion into my little understand,
oh my little girl.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
In my.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
What's a very sad.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
You know. I don't know if it was Dave's drug
use at the time, but I love his vocals on
this tour. There's a heaviness to it, There's a weight,
an almost throaty resonance, and how he delivers the lyrics.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
It's very very passionate.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Fee bro froos shi fascious, so meaning as a jasi
(23:47):
in my.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Very mass say.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
And I love the fact that, unlike the tours that
would followed, Dave would constantly not sing the chorus and
put the microphone towards the crowd to have them sing it.
I much more appreciate when Dave is actually doing.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
The lyrics on this song.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
The other thing that makes this version special for me
is clearly Alan Wilder's hand in the mix for the
live version. It takes enjoy the silence from the violator
era and it carries it into songs to faith and
devotion as if it could have been released on that album,
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And of course, in grand tradition, for this song, there's
the mixed portion towards the end, wherein they would go
and change up the song, obviously to bring about the
live remixed version. I absolutely love again this version more
so than any other live version they have done of
this song. And even though he had the crowd sing
(25:09):
the chorus in that moment, I felt it was wholly
appropriate for this song. Now, let's just take a moment
and sit in the breakdown here for just a second.
As the song progresses, you know the track, but you
don't know for the first time when you're watching the
show what mix you're gonna hear if you're gonna hear
something entirely new. The excitement for me as a fan
(25:31):
was always the song's not over. We're still in this
and still along for the ride as long as the
band wants to take us.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
There such a fantastic build up.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Love that moment too, And of course I'm gonna providing
my commentary not based off the visuals, but obviously the
visuals in.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Dave's moves were fantastic.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Still to this day, I've got goops goosebumps right now
listening to Martin's guitar riff here. It's simpler than a
lot of the other mixes that they've done live or
Enjoyed the Silence and the tourists have followed, But this
one is still.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
The best in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
It captures the all of the brilliance of this track,
which is relatively short, but in that environment during the
live show. To be able to go on this journey
and this ride within this singular song in a way
that you can when listening to the album version is
what makes it so incredibly magical. And again, you've got
(27:05):
to give credit where credit's due to out with a
Wilder and his mix. As I said, this could have
come directly off of songs of Faith's emotion.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Even though you wouldn't say that about the.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Album version of Enjoyed the Silence and the end just
absolutely packs the perfect crescendo punch. No, it just doesn't
(27:38):
get any better than that. Listen next week on the show.
For next week's show, I have a question for you,
one that we have we haven't ever done, so I
want to hear from you. Talkshow nerd at gmail dot
com for next week What song made you fall in
love with Depeche Mode? Drop me an email, Talkshow nerd
(28:01):
at gmail dot com or leave a comment up on
YouTube if you're enjoying the show there, so I hope
you enjoyed that. I'm going to plan on doing that
on upcoming episodes. Song commentary. I already have sort of
my short list of the tracks that I want to do,
but I definitely want to start off with that one,
and I'm going to be listening to that later on today.
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So with that, I hope you enjoyed this week's episode.
I want to hear from you. Leave a comment on
YouTube talkshow nerd at gmail dot com what song made
you fall in love with DM and I'll talk to
you guys again next week. I hope wherever you are,
you are happy, you're healthy, you're safe.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
God bless devotees, and I'll talk to you soon. Bye.
Hello, this is Martin Gold from Depeche Mode. Alright, this
is Diegone from Depeche Mode and you are listening.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
To my word Broan. It's depeche Mode the podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I'm your host, John Justice, and I'm glad that you
are with another episode this week. As always, if you
want to email me talkshow Nerd at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
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get into this week's episode now. In the wake of
last week's announcement of Depeche Mode M hitting theaters on
October twenty eighth, set to screen on over twenty five
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hundred cinemas across more than sixty countries, with those tickets
going on sale September seventeenth. The website, of course, Depeche
modem dot com.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
We haven't had any.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
New news since last week, nor any possible news regarding
the unreleased tracks from amentto Mori. Those four tracks that
we continue to talk about on the show now in
the end, of course, was included in the credits to
Memento Mori M.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
And I've been on.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
The Depeche Dashmode dot com page, the home forum, and
they've got a fantastic thread devoted to Depeche Mode M,
and a lot of speculation and intrigue around what we'll
get in terms of a physical release. I have no
doubt at all that will end up getting a physical
release of the movie in and of itself. The question
(02:22):
really remains of do we get sort of an audio
release to coincide with that.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
My guess would be yes.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I heard rumors from very reliable sources over the course
of the past year that there was talk of a
live album being released. Now whether or not we end
up getting the entirety of the Mexico shows that were
filmed for depeche Mode M.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Remains to be seen.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
However, I could see a digital release, you know, we'd
like a physical release.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I'd love to have a CD, but I could.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Certainly go and see a digital release for depeche Mode M.
Sort of as a soundtrack that could pass include at
a bare minimum in the end that was included in
the end credits of the film itself, and if not,
maybe perhaps those other four unreleased tracks also. My you know,
my thought on this is that the physical release aspect
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of the film aside. I was told that those four
tracks from the Memento More Recessions would be released, and
they have been authorized to be released by the band
in promotion of the film. My expectation would be that
within the next couple of weeks, specifically September seventeenth, I
would hope, and again a part of me expects that
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we'll get the digital release of in the end and
maybe one of the tracks from the movie itself, one
of the live tracks from the tour in those Mexico
shows released on your you know, on your platforms, on
your music platforms, whether it's Apple, iTunes, Spotify, whatever, to
coincide with the ticket sale to offer up some promotion
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that makes the most sense for me. And a part
of that is just because I'm desperate to get a
clean copy of in the End. I absolutely love that song,
and if you haven't heard it yet, make sure you
go and check out the podcast. I did release one
specific podcast that was just the cleanest version of in
the End that was recorded at one of the screenings.
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I had to do some tinkering with the song as
it was missing the first few moments of the song,
so I sort of recrafted it based off of the
end of the track to create an entire track. But
I absolutely love that song. I firmly believe that it
should have been on Memental Maury. So I'm again excited
to get a really clean copy of it because the
production on it sounds absolutely spectacular. Now, speaking of production,
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and I've talked about this on previous episodes, but I'll
go ahead and remind you here. Marta Salongney, who along
with James Ford, was in charge of producing Memento Maury
and did a fantastic job. She was tasked with mixing
Depeche Mode M. And this is you know, provided again
quite a bit of speculation among fans that well, if
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she mixed the live show for the movie, then she
more than likely went and mixed the entirety of the concert.
Fernando Frius, the director of Depeche Mode M, has said
publicly that he had a difficult time choosing which songs
were going to be included in the film and which
ones weren't. And if that's the case, then more than
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likely that means they had the entire concert to work with.
So with a physical release, we could possibly go and
get the entirety of the show and not just what's
included in Depeche Mode M. Somebody had posted as well,
and I wasn't aware of this that apparently going back
to the Delta Machine days and the Delta Machine tour
(05:53):
that there was a debate between both Dave Gone and
Andrew Fletcher, and Dave go On preferred just the documentary
with the concert footage that Anton Corbin had created for
the live in Berlin release or had you know, had
had created around that tour, and Dave Gone just wanted
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the documentary with the footage released, and it was Fletch
who wanted the totality the entire concert released. Well, the
compromise was they ended up releasing the box set in
which we got both versions. The documentary version that you
know contains the live songs along with interviews that Anton
Corbin had did with the fans, and also the entire concert.
(06:37):
I still am so incredibly disappointed with the physical release
of Live in Berlin because of Anton's insistence to shoot
it in low resolution. It's one thing when he shot
on film for devotional that still looks fantastic, it looks
like it was a film, a.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Movie, but since he used the digital.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Cameras but shot it at a lower resolution, whenever I
watch it on a big screen, and I've complained about
this before, the quality of the picture is just atrocious.
Now many have mentioned that if you go and download
the digital version of the of the concert for the
Delta Machine Tour, it is a clean version. That being said,
I'd like to have the physical copies. I'm a big
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fan of physical media, so I really enjoyed that show
more so than the Spirit Tour, which is why it's
so disappointing that unfortunately, when I throw it up on
my big screen at home, the picture just looks bad.
And it's not even like pixelated bad. It's got like
there's like lines in it. And the way that he
shot it, and I remember how well documented it was
(07:43):
that Anton Corbin was just insistent that it was filmed
this way.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So, all right, enough of my rambling.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I want to get to your listener feedback that I
didn't get a chance to on last week's episode. And
again you can always email me talkshow Nerd at gmail
dot com. So let's get to some of your thoughts
from over the past week. First off, friend of the show,
Jason writes in and says this, I've listened to the
BBC radio documentary about Depeche Mode and it wasn't that bad.
(08:13):
I too, have now listened to it as well, and
it was okay. It was about what I had expected.
Jason goes on to say, I treated it more of
an essay question asked by an American that they tried
to answer. Why is Depeche Mode treated as a supergroup
all around the world but not in its home country
in the UK, Which is probably a question all DM
(08:36):
fans ask, especially US UK fans. In the UK, most
of the public probably thinks that they are an eighties
band that no longer exists. It's something that really resonated
with me as it is the exact opposite of what's
happened here in my hometown of Birmingham and in the
UK in general over the last seven days or so
(08:58):
with the passing morning celebration of Ozzy Osbourne. Even if
not a fan of heavy metal, Black Sabbath or even
the music of Ozzy Osbourne, we all loved Ozzy. He
was one of us, a working class lad from a
humble background here in Birmingham who achieved his dream and
along the way helped create a whole new genre, new music,
(09:19):
genre and culture across the world. He was proud of that,
and the whole city wanted to celebrate his achievements and
life as well as how he represented the city globally.
I doubt the same would happen for DM in this country,
although I understand a campaign is underway in Baselton to
honor the band regard Jason. Yeah, and we actually talked
(09:41):
about that on a couple of episodes back a few
weeks ago. So as always, thank you for that, Jason.
Let's move on to Xavier Kin, who writes this talking
about a post regarding DM rumors, and Xavier says nothing
that we haven't heard before regarding DM rumors except the
following caught my eye. Martyr was released as a single
(10:05):
for the Best of Depeche Mode Volume one, originally being
intended as the lead single for Playing the Angel and
was originally known as Martyr for Love as opposed to Martyr.
The lead single was changed to Precious due to fears
that Martyr was to poppy compared to the rest of
(10:26):
Playing the Angel. Buenos Dias, God Bless you and your family.
Xavier Caane, God bless to you and your family as
as well. I remember that story from the release of
Playing the From the release of Playing the Angel, I
don't think i'd heard the part that it was actually
supposed to be a lead single, which makes sense. The
commentary that I had heard was that they thought it
(10:50):
was such a strong enough track to be a single,
that's why they released it as a single. That being said,
I love Martyr. I completely disagree that it would have
presented sort of a false impression of what Playing the
Angel was supposed to be. I certainly would have considered
putting that on the album. Unfortunately, I feel like its
(11:10):
release as a single didn't really take off because it
was attached to the to the Best of Depeche Mode
Volume one, even though it was an incredibly strong track
and a track that I go back and listen to
quite often. So what Xavier Kane is driving at here, though,
I think, speaks further to what I've been talking about
in terms of the quality of those four unreleased tracks
(11:32):
from Memento Maury, and specifically in the end, I just
I can't say enough good things about that song. I
absolutely love that track, and as a matter of fact,
it's probably my favorite track next to Ghosts Again from
Memento Maury.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I'm just lumping it into Memento Maury with.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Ghosts Again and Don't Say You Love Me being my
favorite songs from that album. I would actually put in
the end between those two tracks. And there's an argument
to me made once I hear the clean version, not
the recorded version that I have in my possession, that
I may like it more than Ghosts Again. It really
just has that Depeche Mode vibe while still being wholly modern.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
It takes me back though to Black Celebration.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
I just I love that track and it has me really,
really enthusiastic for those other three tracks that we have
yet to hear. All right, let's go, Aha, let's go
and hear from Chris Culpepper, friend of the show, talking
about Songs of Faith and Devotion being his favorite time
period for DM music, live shows, image, etc.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
He asks the question, though, am I delusional? In my opinion?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I don't think he is, a friend of mine recently
stated that DM had lost the plot in ninety three
and ninety four, made too many changes and never recovered. Listen,
your friend is not alone in that take. I got
a buddy of mine who I'd grown up with at
a young age relatively speaking, in the time period leading
up to Songs of Faith and Devotion, who was as
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big of a depeche Mode fan as I was. He
actually began to get turned off of depeche Mode when
Violator came out. He said it sounded to house that
being said, he had completely abandoned depeche Mode by the
time Songs of Faith and Devotion had come out. Now,
Chris goes on to say, he stated the following case
(13:25):
which made me question everything.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
He says.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
One incorporating live drums into their set. Two obvious tension
and drug use in the band. Three, very extreme change
and sound in image four, essentially dumping their eighties catalog
except for four or five songs. Five Songs of Faith
and Devotion sold about half a Violator six DM never
sold any greater copies of Songs of Faith and Devotion
(13:49):
after ninety three Ultra Excier, playing the Angel, etc. Obviously,
I had my defense that I can share another time.
Sorry for being verbose, Thank you, Chris Culpepper. No, not
being verbose at all. First off, as I always say,
it's subjective, you know, views on depeche Mode and what
eras we like more and which albums we think of
(14:10):
the best.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
It really really is all subjective.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Now that being said, I completely disagree with what he's
saying there. I love depeche Mode and the fact that
they challenged me as a you know, a young teenager
heading into his twenties who fell in love with the
band going back to eighty five were now parked in
(14:35):
between ninety and ninety three era. I'm kind of coming
into my own as an adult. Fell in love with
Violator like everybody did. Thought it was the best album
I'd ever heard in my entire lifetime. At the Time
tour that followed did the same thing, and being completely
hyped for what songs of Faith and Devotion was going
to bring, and then being broadsided by this massive change
(14:59):
from the band that challenged me and my love for
the band, but what ultimately ended up being one of
my favorite albums by Depeche Mode. Even though it sounds
incredibly different in terms of the musical arrangements, lyrical content
remained the same. You know, the band obviously, as they
have admitted themselves and Dave Gone wanted they butched up.
(15:21):
But I was actually listening to I Feel You on
the drive in this morning, and it's not a song
that I returned to you often, but when that song hits,
it hits. But it made me appreciate music and it
made me have more of an open mind to not
just Depeche Mode, but all forms of music. Wherein at
that time period, I think for a lot of us,
(15:44):
we kind of shut out songs that we had grown
up with liking, and we became a little bit more
exclusive and clicky.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
In the music that we listened to.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I was watching a compilation video last night, and I
love going back and watching these little snapshots of time
that circle around years in which Depeche Mode had some
sort of, you know, a historical significance. So I watched
a nineteen ninety eight video compilation about eight minutes long,
of all the number one songs that were released in
(16:17):
nineteen ninety eight. Oh, I'm sorry, No, I'm sorry, it
was nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
My bad. It was nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
That's right, because it would have been heading into the
release of Music for the Masses and then heading into
eighty eight and of course the Rose Bowl Show. Okay,
so it was nineteen eighty seven. And what was really
fascinating about watching this compilation of number one songs from
January through December was how many of these songs that
I was really really familiar with but were completely out
of the genre that I would end up listening to
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as I got older. My mind was a lot more
open at a younger age, right, I wasn't sort of
a snobby and pinkies up about the music that I
listened to. I subsequently followed that up by watching the
compilation video of nineteen eighty eight the following year. And
what's really interesting is a bunch of those number one
tracks I was not as familiar with nor did I
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like them, And that coincides directly with my depeche Mode fandom,
wherein I was turning almost exclusively to listening to alternative
music and it pushed away any other genres of music.
I say all this getting back to Songs of Faith
and Devotion and how it challenged me.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
In the way that I go.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Interpret art and appreciate art because later in years, while
I kept that same sort of elitist attitude towards the
genres of music that I listened to through Depeche Mode,
and how they changed with albums and challenged their own
music while still their own musical conventions while still being
(17:50):
Holy depeche Mode, it made me actually go and appreciate
as I got older those other genres of music that
I simply didn't listen to during that time period where
I was exclusively listening to alternative music. It kind of
come full circle with it. So again, getting back to
Chris Culpepper's comments, I'm with him. Songs of Faith and
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Devotion is one of my favorite time periods. It's the
tour that I saw the most Depeche Mode shows live.
It's probably one that again helped form my opinion of
music more so than Violator did, and it made me
much more open to not just what Depeche Mode does
as a band and how they change from album to album,
(18:34):
but what other bands do and the other genres that
Depeche Mode pulled from as well. That time period was fantastic.
The live show was spectacular, as was everything surrounding that
particular era, and I think that translates a bit to
Ultra as well. You know, with the band coming out
of the difficult time period that they'd had, with Alan
(18:56):
Wilder leaving, with Dave Gahn attempting to go in overcome
his drug addiction. You know, there was sort of this
carryover in the fandom of Ultra and an album that
most people, including the band say never really should have
existed until they got back on their feet, the singles
Tour and Excier and everything that followed afterwards. Talkshow nerd
(19:19):
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Speaker 2 (20:17):
I haven't come up with a great name for it yet.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
At the moment, I'm just calling it depeche Mode Song Commentary.
What I want to do is I want to take
a depeche Mode track that resonates with me personally and
provide my own sort of live commentary on top of it.
For the first track that I've chosen, going back to
the Songs of Faith and Devotion Era, I'm actually choosing
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a live track from the devotional tour. It's probably one
of my favorite versions of this song live as let
me back up, this is my favorite version of the
song live, and I absolutely love the arrange and everything
regarding this particular recording of enjoy the Silence from Devotional
(21:15):
There was something really amazing during this time period when
we didn't have access to the setlists. It was always
this little revelation that took place with every single song
the first time you saw the show, especially if you
hadn't heard the mixes yet, you weren't entirely sure which
(21:36):
song it was. Now, if you are a hardcore Depeche
Mode fan, you probably already recognized that this was Enjoyed
the Silence.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
But it's funny to listen to the crowd.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
As the song progresses and the crowd has the realization
of what the song actually is. You can begin to
hear the crowd erupt as they start to realize that
this is Enjoyed the Silence, and it kicks in. It
happens again when Martin's guitar riff starts right here. It's
(22:14):
as if suddenly the Norby's realize the song it is
that they're listening to, and Martin's guitar work and the
arrangement on this tour is second to none.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Looks like violence, great good silence, compassion into my little understand,
oh my little girl.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
In my.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
What's a very sad.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
You know. I don't know if it was Dave's drug
use at the time, but I love his vocals on
this tour. There's a heaviness to it, There's a weight,
an almost throaty resonance, and how he delivers the lyrics.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
It's very very passionate.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Fee bro froos shi fascious, so meaning as a jasi
(23:47):
in my.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Very mass say.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
And I love the fact that, unlike the tours that
would followed, Dave would constantly not sing the chorus and
put the microphone towards the crowd to have them sing it.
I much more appreciate when Dave is actually doing.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
The lyrics on this song.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
The other thing that makes this version special for me
is clearly Alan Wilder's hand in the mix for the
live version. It takes enjoy the silence from the violator
era and it carries it into songs to faith and
devotion as if it could have been released on that album,
(24:47):
And of course, in grand tradition, for this song, there's
the mixed portion towards the end, wherein they would go
and change up the song, obviously to bring about the
live remixed version. I absolutely love again this version more
so than any other live version they have done of
this song. And even though he had the crowd sing
(25:09):
the chorus in that moment, I felt it was wholly
appropriate for this song. Now, let's just take a moment
and sit in the breakdown here for just a second.
As the song progresses, you know the track, but you
don't know for the first time when you're watching the
show what mix you're gonna hear if you're gonna hear
something entirely new. The excitement for me as a fan
(25:31):
was always the song's not over. We're still in this
and still along for the ride as long as the
band wants to take us.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
There such a fantastic build up.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Love that moment too, And of course I'm gonna providing
my commentary not based off the visuals, but obviously the
visuals in.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Dave's moves were fantastic.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Still to this day, I've got goops goosebumps right now
listening to Martin's guitar riff here. It's simpler than a
lot of the other mixes that they've done live or
Enjoyed the Silence and the tourists have followed, But this
one is still.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
The best in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
It captures the all of the brilliance of this track,
which is relatively short, but in that environment during the
live show. To be able to go on this journey
and this ride within this singular song in a way
that you can when listening to the album version is
what makes it so incredibly magical. And again, you've got
(27:05):
to give credit where credit's due to out with a
Wilder and his mix. As I said, this could have
come directly off of songs of Faith's emotion.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Even though you wouldn't say that about the.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Album version of Enjoyed the Silence and the end just
absolutely packs the perfect crescendo punch. No, it just doesn't
(27:38):
get any better than that. Listen next week on the show.
For next week's show, I have a question for you,
one that we have we haven't ever done, so I
want to hear from you. Talkshow nerd at gmail dot
com for next week What song made you fall in
love with Depeche Mode? Drop me an email, Talkshow nerd
(28:01):
at gmail dot com or leave a comment up on
YouTube if you're enjoying the show there, so I hope
you enjoyed that. I'm going to plan on doing that
on upcoming episodes. Song commentary. I already have sort of
my short list of the tracks that I want to do,
but I definitely want to start off with that one,
and I'm going to be listening to that later on today.
(28:23):
So with that, I hope you enjoyed this week's episode.
I want to hear from you. Leave a comment on
YouTube talkshow nerd at gmail dot com what song made
you fall in love with DM and I'll talk to
you guys again next week. I hope wherever you are,
you are happy, you're healthy, you're safe.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
God bless devotees, and I'll talk to you soon. Bye.
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