October 27, 2023 • 54 mins
Ministers and Liberal MPs speak with reporters on Parliament Hill as the federal party holds its weekly caucus meeting. Ministers Karina Gould (Government House Leader), Bill Blair (defence), Marc Miller (immigration), Arif Virani (justice), Mark Holland (health), Jean-Yves Duclos (public services), Pascale St-Onge (heritage) as well as MPs Rob Oliphant, Francis Scarpaleggia, Ali Ehsassi, Peter Fragiskatos, Kody Blois, René Arseneault, and Anthony Housefather comment on the Israel-Hamas war and the federal government’s calls for humanitarian pauses to allow aid into Gaza.
Duclos and Holland also discuss recent polling numbers showing the Liberals are well behind the Conservatives nationally.
Additionally, Gould responds to questions on a conservative private member's bill to ban vaccine mandates.
Blois also comments on Pierre Poilievre's upcoming visit to Windsor, Nova Scotia and on the Conservative party's targeting of Liberal ridings in Atlantic Canada.
Ministers Seamus O’Regan (labour) and François-Philippe Champagne (innovation) face questions on the strike involving workers at the St. Lawrence Seaway. Workers began their strike on October 22 after failing to reach an agreement on wages with the St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation.
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Duclos and Holland also discuss recent polling numbers showing the Liberals are well behind the Conservatives nationally.
Additionally, Gould responds to questions on a conservative private member's bill to ban vaccine mandates.
Blois also comments on Pierre Poilievre's upcoming visit to Windsor, Nova Scotia and on the Conservative party's targeting of Liberal ridings in Atlantic Canada.
Ministers Seamus O’Regan (labour) and François-Philippe Champagne (innovation) face questions on the strike involving workers at the St. Lawrence Seaway. Workers began their strike on October 22 after failing to reach an agreement on wages with the St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation.
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Thank you for listening to Pictures MediaRadio. Welcome to Policy and Rights,
the show about the government Policy andhuman rights. Mhm mhm, cet abcan
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whose service whoso uh took me toteparties say no normi uh you see
uh. It is with tremendous addessthat we were this morning of the passing
of Ian Sugart seen the public servantextraordinaire, who was a man of deep,
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deep integrity and grace and brilliance.His impact on the public service,
his long long career leading us asa country in so many different ways,
was extraordinaire, who as as clerkto this government, who contributed so much.
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I obviously am thinking of all hisfriends and of which he had so
many, uh, and of coursehis family through this difficult time. Deposed
man depose see the lad man exceptas easy to partculiar harmonic defunct ond evic
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Velans getting called about Alberta's CPP plans. What's your message to the province is
concerned about this possible with wrong?Well, I think I've heard from many
provinces that are really concerned about thefact that the CPP has delivered solid pensions
for millions of Canadians and it's anexpression of the fact that we're all in
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this together. And the idea thatthat Alberta might not just make their own
pensioners poor by pulling out, butimpact Canadians from coast to coast is coast
to coast to coast is not somethingthat most Albertans would want, let alone
most Canadians. And Minister Quebec thethe thessage the most attacked did not happen
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in a vacuum. But don't knowif I can get your reaction to the
fact that uh VISA processing has beenresumed with India, Well, I think
it's a good sign it. Wedon't think we should ever have been suspended
in the first place, but there'ssome people that were trying to get back
to their families and in India thatneeded urgent processing. So I'm glad that's
up and running, but make surethat hopefully it doesn't happen again a sign
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of these intentions. I would takeit for for what it's worth. Our
feeling is that the suspension should neverhave happened in the first place. So
it's nice for the folks that we'retrying to get over to India that we're
sometimes taking a triple a lifetime orjust trying to get back there. But
they'll hopefully I have a little bitmore of a normal process than than what
they've seen in the last couple ofweeks. Have you heard from you know,
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people that are in that situation.What have they told you? A
lot of anxiety. A lot ofpeople can make it plans. We do
have a flow of people that goto and from India, so it has
been I think an anxious time forthem, and they're worried. And you
know, my job, above therole I have as immigration ministers to make
sure people are safe or feel safein this country. And I think this
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really concerning diplomatic situation with India hascreated a lot of fear in a lot
of communities. Yeah. Thanks,Do you think that India's decision to restart
visa services is a sign of easingtensions? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
And do you think it's a stepforward or is it as much of a
progress as we're going to make rightnow? Oh? I think there's more
grist to be made. You know, there's there's certainly some difficult dynamics going
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back and forth. So I wasmade aware of a tweet by somebody identifying
as a major in the Indian Armythat was pretty nasty toward people in Canada.
But that's maybe a lone wolf theyou know, getting the visas open
again, I mean it's great forfamilies, right, Families here on the
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side of the water want to goand visit their relatives, and that's a
good thing, right, all right. I spoke to a family that spent
hundreds of thousands of dollars of theirown money to both fly a relative overseas
to get a new treatment for glioblastoma, and then more than four hundred thousand
dollars to get that treatment in Canada. What do you say to families that
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are spending such great sums out ofpocket to get access to drugs that haven't
been approved by Health Canada. Well, I think, first of all,
I have enormous sympathy for any familythat is in a circumstance where their health
is compromised and they're searching for SOS. I can't imagine what they're going through.
I can't imagine how stressful that is. I think from a system's perspective
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here, one of the things thatwe've been really well served by is Health
Canada is seen as one of thebest agencies in the world in terms of
ensuring both the safety and the efficacyof the drugs that are approved, and
when you're in a desperate situation,you want that drug right away. Health
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Canada needs to ensure the rigor ofits process is such that we don't make
mistakes in the rush to find solutions. Now, by the same token,
particularly when somebody is in a reallycompromised position where their life is at risk,
we do have to think about thatbalancing of those risks and that's something
that I'm talking to the department aboutabout finding well. I see your reaction,
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and my response is is that that'sa process of continual process improvement.
So that reaction is that I wasnot aware of that night. Wonder does
that suggest that there is some sortof significant change coming Well, not necessarily,
I mean, I I'm just sayingthat that I'm enormously sympathetic to somebody
who is in that incredibly difficult situation. And I'm also incredibly sympathetic to the
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need for Health Canada to maintain rigorin our processes and to make sure that
the drugs that are approved that aresafe. Uh and what that there's always
a constant state of process improvement andevaluation to make sure that we get that
right. And I and I wantto look at, particularly in instances where
somebody's life is in a compromised positionwhere they might die, that that that
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you know, the controls that wehave on risk might be in a different
place if somebody's life is already ina compromised position where you know, they
may have no other option to survivethan to try something that that that is
unusual and has higher associated risks.Would that mean in some cases harmonizing our
standards with the EU or the FDAhere, Well, I think that,
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you know, we we always wantto look at how we cooperate with other
jurisdictions and elimining duplication. We alsounderstand that other jurisdictions might make different decisions.
They may more lean on supporting themarket, and you know, economic
considerations instead of safety considerations. Andas you can imagine, if if we
get it wrong, if we endup approving something that we shouldn't approve and
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it ends up being used by Canadiansand there's an injurious impact and we failed
to protect Canadians, it won't matterthat another jurisdiction also got it wrong.
People are going to fairly ask thequestion why we got it wrong. So
we have to maintain that rigor inour process. But looking at what other
jurisdictions are doing, building on theirscience rather than being duplicative, is certainly
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something that we need to continue doing. Listen, kind of you thought on
the idea of a humanitarian cause,you need to think that's a good idea.
Well, look, we've called forhumanitarian corridors to bring humanitarian assistance into
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Gaza. We've called for humanitarian corridorsto get foreign nationals out of Gaza.
So certainly we support the idea ofhumanitarian aid. And certainly at some point
a pause might be a good idea, but not until all the hostages are
released. Hamas has it within theirpower to release all the hostages today,
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if they really cared about the stateof the Palestinian people, they would release
those hostages and make sure that humanitarianaid flows. Of coursely, what are
the implicit things in this hall bythe States, by your party for apologies,
it's really going to be one partof your exposs if you have any
expectations. Do you have any expectationsthe hosts a call? Well, our
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our call. You're correcting pointing outcalls for a pause by all. I
don't see how we could possibly trustHAMAS, which is a designated terrorist organization
designated by the Government of Canada overtwenty years ago, to abide by anything
like that. But let's it doesn'tmany that I can't put the true group
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be a bosch Quebec sized paper toQuebec mind bits b who sure is ses
part? Okay you're the preference,Yes, of course the government does you
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know this is something that we thinkis very important. You know, we
recognize that there is a very direhumanitarian the situation in Gaza at this moment.
We've been calling for a humanitarian corridorfrom the beginning. We recognize that
AID trucks need to get through andthey need to be able to deliver this
assistance. And so this is whyyesterday the Prime Minister, in alignment with
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the US and the United Nations didcall for a humanitarian possible and be conditional
on hostages released released. Well,first of all, I mean getting the
hostages out is one of our toppriorities and traditional well, I mean we
very much will continue to negotiate forthe release of hostages. However, we
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also recognize that there are a lotof people in Gaza right now who need
humanitarian assistance, and so I don'tthink we need to make this one or
the other. I think we needto ensure that we continue very strongly to
push for the release of the hostages. You know there are Canadians there as
well, but we all to understandthat we need to get humanitarian assistance to
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guys. You see imposed and manytales mediate the person insane, the lassistants,
humanitar and Canada event is it asyou need age on you all end
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of well comsund is attached see notyeah the Canadian he sound out or see
over coortinuated school secur accutely attached.What is your reaction to the UN Secretary
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General thinkers violations a very natural managerright now? What is your look?
I'm not going to comment on thatbecause I I'm not an expert in international
humanitarian law. What I can sayis what Canada has been calling for from
the beginning, which is to ensurehumanitarian corridor. And what we're asking for
now is looking at what possibility theremight be for a humanitarian pause so that
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that aid can get through. AndI explain a little bit of the difference
to Canadians who are kind of clearwhat the difference is between humanitarian pauses and
and I think the Global Affairs hasactually made a very good effort to make
that explanation. We are very concernedabout the humanitarian situation that exists in Gaza,
and we believe and support the ideaof a humanitarian pause, which is
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basically a pause of hostilities to allowhumanitarian aid to get into the region to
help those people who need to haveyesterday threat that must be eliminated do you
still is your government's position that bombingshould continue until there is no FROMANC.
What I was saying is I wasconcerned about the terrorist threat that persists,
and and that terrorist threat has tobe dealt with, but that's a very
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different situation. And making sure thatthe people who are in a desperate situation,
innocent civilians on both sides of theirborder, we'd have to make sure
that the humanitarian aid is available tothem, would do everything possible to protect.
You also said you also said yesterdaythat a mass cannot be trusted to
abide by any kind of ceasefire internationallaw. Why would they abide by a
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humanitarian truth? A humanitarian pause withwhat we're talking about, and it's basically
a pause in hostilities to allow humanitarianaid to get to the people to desperate
India. Is reaction to the UNSecretary Generals saying there are clear violations of
international humanitarian law happening in Yet thereare I think important bodies that have that
responsibility to examine exactly what's taking place. Our expectation always and from the very
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first days, agree with the UNSecretary General. Does this government degree?
What I agree is that I agreewith is that there is international law and
humanitarian law that applies to any battlefieldsituation, and that every country has an
obligation to abide by the rules theinternational law it exists, and there are
appropriate bodies to determined if, if, and when that there are which is
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in all that. But but butI believe very strongly that that law should
be a bit encom You're asking meto expectively on something. And frankly,
we believe that it's important to beable to get humanitarian aid to those people
who desperately needed and and we wesupport, we support that there should be
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a pause. How that would actuallybe effective, it should be determined,
But we believe that it's important thatthat aid get to the people who desperately
instant to reassure them and to keepthem safe. But we're, as any
responsible country, playing for eventualities andit's something that's that it really in terms
of a live situation that's evolving,is something that will will keep them,
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keep our minds and more. It'sopen to are sass unfittingly put z Mada.
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Yesterday, the UN Secretary General saidthat there were clear BYO life from
frame the National te military and lawhappening in Gaza, and I'd like to
understand Canada's position on this. Doyou agree with the Secretary General on that?
So I understand what the Secretary Generalobserved, and I think what I'd
just say is that Canada's taking theposition since the outset of this conflict about
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Israel having a right to defend itselfbut always in accordance with international humanitarian law.
I think there's been concerns about theloss of innocent lives on both sides
of the border, obviously on theIsraeli side. That's what prompted this entire
engagement by Hamasis terrists act in Israel'sresponse. We understand the response is happening
and response a military response, butensuring the international humanitary law is observed is
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critical for any nation, particularly ademocratic. Israel does contend that they are
respecting international humanitarian law, that thereare sufficient supplies still, and that that
international law on our conflict and humanitarianlaw allows them to conduct themselves the way
they are is that you work you. So I'll just observe what we've seen
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so far, which is that youknow, we've had humanitarian aid going in,
which is good. It started onthe weekend. That's a very positive
step in the right direction. Callingfor humanitarian pauses is also really really critical
to ensure the flow of that aidcontent. Is it contingent on hostages getting
out or civilians getting out or foreignnaturalis getting out last ns. Yeah,
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I think the important piece about thehostages that hostages absolutely have to be returned.
What about the civilians and foreign nationalslike Canada's support for this idea of
humanitarian pauses, is that contingent orconditional on not just aid getting in,
but civilians getting out. I thinkthe best people ask about the nature of
the humanitarian pauses would be the PrimeMinister or ministerially. But what i'd see
now is available to say to ustoday. What I'd say to you is
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that in terms of sort of thereturn of hostages that is critical. The
flow of humanity aring aid is alsocritical. As something that ken has believed
in for a long time. You'veseen US dedicated sixty million dollars in humanitarian
aid. I think that puts usfrom near the top of all of the
allies that are involved in this inthis situation, But I don't think thanks
civilians getting out, Sir, andCanadians included the liberal sixteen points behind the
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conservatives. I know that you anda lot of other liberals have had harsh
words agains which you probe have specifically, but clearly that message isn't necessarily residing
with Canadians who seem to supported moreand more. So are you concerned about
that? And what do you guyshave to do to reverse that child possible?
Well, I think what mister Pauladoes is try to amplify people's anger
and who tries to reflect back totheir anxiety. And we are in a
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world right now that is incredibly challenging, and I think once the dog begins
to break on a very difficult timethat's happening across the gold there's going to
be good opportunity for people to seewho was pushing me down, who was
pushing into their anxieties, who wastrying to make them more worried and more
scared, who's trying to take advantageof their anxiety, and who is actually
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trying to fix their problems and liftthem up. I'm very confident about how
we'll do in the future. Isthe dawn breaks and people see what exactly
has been up to, what happensif that future doesn't have him for the
next election. Well, first ofall, I've been around since two thousand
and four. You see the ebbsand flows. I'm extremely confident of where
the folks who are trying to fixproblems and lift people up will be in
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history, and where the people whoare pushing in people's pain and trying to
make them feel worse and trying toget them more scared about their current condition
are going to be humanity. Well, I'll say this, well, I
think that Look, humanity is goingthrough one of the most difficult times in
its history. Every time we thinkthat we can't, every time we think
that we can't deal with something,something worse seems to happen on the planet.
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Right now, people are feeling reallyweak. This is not the first
time humanity has gone through this.And in these moments when the world is
going through things that are very difficult, there are people who try to reassure
people, try to find solutions,and try to leave them up. Mister
Paul has offered no solutions. Theonly thing he's offered is an amplification of
people's anxiety, an opportunity to pressinto their fears to make them more scared
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and more worried about the moment thatthey're in. I think that will not
be in the long run a goodstrategy, one that will reward him electoral
And when do you guys start consideringthat you might have to change your strategy
if every day can change but everyday, I mean, I think that
we're in a world where somebody tellsyou that they know what's going to happen
in six months from now. They'relying to you next week, next week.
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We're in a state of constant change, so we have to be constantly
changing. So I mean there's athere's an evaluation of what we need to
do to serve Canadians. I mean, I look at the area that I'm
in within health, it's under constantchange, huge opportunities for transformation. So
you know, I'm trying to highlightwhat is positive, to show people that
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there's tremendous things that are under thesurface that are coming. And I know
today is hard, but it's goingto require patience. And you know,
yes, it's easy to reflect people'sspirit back. I mean it's a little
like having sugar. It feels goodfor a second, but after a little
while you realize that it's false andnot really all that good for nutritionally vacant,
and I think those are the policiesof mister palm Mark missus Sinster.
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They said Hamas is a threat thatmust be eliminated. Does that mean that
the position of the government is thatbombings should continue until they are literally no
HAMS members left. Well, Ithink that we it's extremely important that the
people who are responsible for the terroristattack are brought to justice, but I
think it's equally important that civilian lifebe predicted. Right now, we've asked
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for a humanitarian clause, for anopportunity to bring an aid and to be
able to remove people. I haveconstituents that are trapped in gas and right
now we have a profound concern forinnocant life. I don't think those two
things are mutually exclusive. I thinkbringing the Moss to justice and making sure
that they are held to account fortheir actions and we can work to wipe
them out as a terrorist organization andthe protection of innocent life are not incompatible
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concepts. But once the pause isover, I mean, it's bombs and
not lack of food that's killing peoplein government, So once the pause is
over, does the government favor aresumption of bombing until Hamas is declared eliminated
by into it. Well, I'mmy personal position is, you know,
and I think that the Minister hasspoken clearly on this is is that we
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have to find wherever possible opportunities topeacefully resolve this well at the same time
bringing the folks that are responsible tojustice. And it is an incredible delicate
situation. The Minister Julia is justin the region by trying to talk through
that path, find a way tomake sure that that life is protected,
work and that those that are responsiblefor a terrorism or bronze justice. Can
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you feel that your government another goI apologize for your government. Another government's
done enough to force as well towardsthe two states polution. I think that
you know, right now we needto focus on the humanitarian boss. We
need to focus on the immediate crisisthat's in front of us. I don't
disagree to me. We as aas a world need to reflect upon how
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we get through not only this immediatemoment, but how we get to broader
peace. We can't we can't allowthe violence that we've seen over the last
while to becoming something that continues toservice. So I think in all of
our parts, every person everywhere inthe world works peace, and that has
to be at the heart of ourwork and our and our thinking and charms
of solutions. But I have togo out company forget that incularly see the
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looks they see a party, lightness, sire for early civil For myself,
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Like, what what does that look? In? Canada is calling for humanitarian
pauses? And this is something thatseveral other countries have caused called for.
And how that will actually work,I can't tell you. What I know
is that a cease fire with meis real vulnerable, and so plause will
allow them to maintain readiness but alsoensure will be delivered. That's our goal.
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We we put in sixty million dollarstowards humanitary aid and now we need
to get that aid into gas andwe have to find it. Always are
what conflixts do you have that mobswould respect humanitarian pause? I have no
confidence of ms will respect. Whatwe need to do is negotiating behind a
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way to help make the truth apause and a seaspire. I'm not a
technical expert on this. But whatI would understand is that when we have
a war, we have guns beingfired. When we have a ceasefire,
we have guns laid down. Whenwe have a humanitarian pause, we have
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guns poised, but not fire inGaza, which everyone's concerned about. Is
a very good approach. Okay,well the idea, I certainly do,
because I think we should be verymuch concerned about civilians. But in history,
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and do you think a true ahumanitarian trooch is right now a better
call than a ceasefire? Have tomake sure that the international community is supporting
that absolutely. Do you believe thatthe moss should be eliminated? Do you
believe that the governor should take thatposition? Well, I don't. I
don't think there's a single person whowho can say anything nice about the moss,
but not very definition of eliminating.I'm not quite sure that can be
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how that can be accomplished, Andthat's why I think the international community should
for those an honest humanitarian pause.Can you sense for people at home between
humanitarian pauses and a cease fire?So what is the difference from what I've
heard from my constituents from what youheard from your party? Because your party.
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I'm not asking you. You know, mister is not asking for the
ceasefire. He's saying we want humanitarianpauses. What does that mean for really,
what's the difference. The government hasbeen very clear all along that we
support Israel's right to defend itself.But the government has been very clear that
civilian life must be protected in Gaza. There's different approaches about whether or not
it's it's a temporary cease fire,whether or not there's a long term cease
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fire. The government could not getinto that question. The key mass so
that the government is supporting is thatwe need to make sure that civilian life
in Gaza is protective. To beproud of the fact that the government is
focused on that, that we're workingwith partners around the world. People can
get people can get caught in,including journalists. How can it get protected
without a ceasefire? Well, atthe end of the day, the actual
military operation that Israel is providing inGaza is actually very targeted towards Amas.
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I can appreciate that it's a smallarea. It's difficult. I mean,
look, I'm not going to getLook. At the end of the day,
I saw where the government position isThis is a very nuanced issue,
one of the most complex geopolitical issuesin the world. At the end of
the day, the government is walkingthe line between making sure that Israel has
its right to defend itself the worstattack since the hol of Folks, but
at the same time trying to makesure that the response from Israel is proportionate
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to hamas a territory based organization,non on civilian life. It's a difficult
question, and answered, I notto get to caucus spars for the post
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field or is in that field thatshould tell us it's what's respected. If
there's a some some rules that arenot respected, they don't have a clue
and I'm not experience in that field. But we're still of love here and
international law is love. So anyparties should respect international law and all the
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Western countries should be severe about that. To condemning whoever party where even on
this planet. This conflict is notit's important because it's sexual right now,
but there's many conflicts that anyway.International US should be respected by everyone in
Western countries should make sure it's sticking. Just like just wander passion. We
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should get back the bailers people.We look at a fish we want to
should be the message issues the again, but gain jim enough for so that
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it looks it is it look atthe the sacro sub provents ones wait Instagram,
she said Media Quebec. The pis like, okay, I just
wanted to ask your thoughts in thisidea of humanitarian pause. Is that something
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that you support. I think allof the Western nations, Canada, the
United States, and UK have usedthe same language. We're not calling for
a ceasefire. We understand that Israelhas to be able to defend itself under
international law. It has to beable to take out the terrorist group come
us. That's that it's borders.But certainly we want humanitarian need to get
in and pause simply means to putyour weapons, you know, on pause
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for a little bit. Well,well that happens, and I think that's
a reasonable. Let me make itclear, when you see something impossible like
this is fire, you have totake some possible state in order to make
the impossible possible. So I stronglysupport the humanitarian bringing food, what mets
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into VI citizen bring little teach downwith this with the future. We were
reached this is fire and after that, the mission of the entire nations and
to bring both sides to a negotiationtable for a lasting piece and security.
Thank you very mu much, thankyou very much. We expect the parties
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to get back to the table byFriday. I'm going to talk to my
mediation teams to where I should be. Then I follow their recommendation. We
will show both these things. Theygo to ninety six percent track record even
with the BC poort strikes. Soyou know where it gonna be helpful is
Friday soon enough. That's when theparty said that they've wanted to do it,
So you know it is in theirhands. You know, I immediate
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and conciliate. I'm responsible for that. They have to come to the agreement.
So if nothing happens on Friday,this is the time you start looking
at the candle labor card, startpull it into that policy toolkit. Can
just go there, young because evenmentioning that kind of taints what the table
would be. I go into iteyes wide open, but optimistic. There's
no rent to Canada's reputation as apartner here. Are you concerned about Canada's
reputation as a dream partner? Well, we just keep talking to our American
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counterparts. They are obviously very concernedand have a lot at stake here as
to a lot of members of thiscaucus around the Great around Great Lakes communities
and with a particular interest in grain. So getting it from all sides,
and I apply that pressure to theparties. I'm talking about the Conservatives in
their bill, the bill that's beingbuilded on today on vaccine mandates. What
do you think about the fact thatwe're still discussing this in the post pandemic
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ber a man, which is gotso many other things to be discussing right
now. But you know, Ican't tell them what to do. Is
I just find it just it's areflection of their priories. So I let
that speak for itself. We gota lot, a lot of other friends
we need to be talking about now. Thank you, Thanks sweet the Minneso
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would say, uh, everyone inthe country fills the level of urgency.
Like I said when we came outof COVID, Uh the resiliency of our
supply chain was paramount. You know, we have inflation. We need to
make sure that we're not creating asituation that would be detrimental. Uh,
two different actors in in the supplychain. You know, there's a lot
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of issues around trust that our internationalpartners are putting in terms of the logistics
that we offer in Canada. ButI know the party understand that I trust
them to come to negotiated agreement.That's what we want, and I hope
that they will be meeting and continuingto find solutions I could not be eliminated.
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Do you agree. I'll leave thatto Minister Blair of that is his
common British traveling yes with Parliamentary Committeelast week he had the first name Mohammed.
He was stopped twice by traditional securityscreening and said he was humiliated by
it. What's your reaction, Well, we we when we heard that,
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we we called Kada Erkanda apologized andapologizing was the right thing to do.
That different chosen. If I skids, it's a lesim only ski kimo fact
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pascals, We're gonna see the POSSIexactly what that important? India that said
that it will renew issuing of fourkinds of visas. Do you feel that
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that chapter is now closed? Areyou satisfied with what they said about that?
But it's good to see that theyhave say that it would have been
nice that they didn't take it inin the first place. And as I
want to remind Canadians everybody that therewas a game that's killed on Canadians oil
and we've been asking for greater cooperationwith the investigation. When do you how
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do you interpret the signal of thisslight easy in attentions from media are they're
trying to think we have very strongpeople to people times right and to making
sure that both Canadians and Adians canhave the ability to be able to go
back and forth when especially when itcomes to uh, you know, celibratory
events like weddings and sadly when itcomes to funerals. So there's very two
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very important events that we want tomake sure that people can go back in
for sorts. It is good newsfor Canadians as well. Where is there
going to be arrests in that case? As you know, when it comes
to the police that they decide independently. You have no information as to how
much longer they need. As aformer police officer, I can assure you
did this type of when it comesto police investigation, they are completely there's
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no way the government has no cluewhat's going on. Their investigation is completely
independent. But that you're going tohave to react to it politically if there
are arrests and you're concerned that thiscould all start up again. If there
again it's against the police will maketheir decision when whatever information does come out
at that time, of course,we'll make the appropriate judgment calls of that
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one for years. Then it alldepends on their the police investigation. I
can't say I have I can assureyou I have no idea would just be
able to say whether it's gonna bemonths, weeks or years. But one
thing I can say, I dohave confidence, uh in their ability in
their own investigation. Thank you,yes, Canada horble summer the problem.
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is a most points this look.I mean, I think the oppositions that
have touched on this, I meanCanadians overwhelmingly supported uh COVID vaccines. I
think it's also concerning because when misterPaula first put this forward, it was
about limiting all vaccine mandates. Youknow, I can't send my son to
daycare if he's not fully immunized,and that's something that's about the public health
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of all Canadians. You know,I think most Canadians recognize how difficult the
time that was, how you know, important and safe vaccines were, So
you know, this is I think, you know, just riling up people
at a time when you know weneed to be focused on on other things.
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import Israel and its call for AntonioGuteris to stuff down. Look, what
Canada supports right now is very muchlooking for humanitarian corridor, looking for humanitarian
pause to get aid into Gaza.We've been firm and we support Israel's right
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to defend itself with an international humanitarianlaw and that's our position. Thank you
come to windsor you're not too concernedabout it. No, Look, I
would expect any leader of any officialopposition to get around the country. There's
a big difference in my writing,particular because I've had many conversations over the
four years. There's a strong hitstory of progressive conservatism. But when I
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talk to most conservative minded individuals,they are concerned about his trajectory in terms
of what he represents because it's adifferent type of conservatism than what we've generally
seen in the country. And peopledon't forget that when the merger happened with
the Progressive Conservatives and what is nowthe CPC, that that party is dead.
Is it mostly enhance like the morerural where you come from, or
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is it also in kings the valley. No, I would say, I
would say Atlantic Canadab at large.I mean, look, right now,
you have Premier Houston, who rana campaign in twenty twenty one saying that
he was not the same as thefederal Conservatives because he knows the body politic
in Nova Scotia is different than thetype of style that Pierre Pollio is offering.
We have an obligation to remind Canadiansabout what he stands for and how
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he has acted up here in Ottawaand certainly across the country. Then misogynistic
tags on his videos, his Americanstyle of politism, the way even in
Colonna, the way he acted,and in terms of how he engaged with
the journalists. So there's a lotthere not to say that I disagree.
There's some areas, certainly on tryingto drive regulatory reform. Big projects are
fine, But I think at theend of the day, when I talk
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to my constituents, they want tosee a principal advocate in Autawall. I'm
making sure I try to do thatevery day. And at the same time,
their style of conservatism that exists AtlanticCoata is different than what the Federal
Conservative Party has become. Every time. Thank you the show has been produced
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Thank you for listening to Pictures MediaRadio. Welcome to Policy and Rights,
the show about the government Policy andhuman rights. Mhm mhm, cet abcan
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prophone Priestess Connor pristmas. They said, the Ian Sugart Senator function extraud and
can plan the date. The brillianceand you see Norman mon Grass in the
Umanity, the compassion in late Grandieramongst Vernon to trebon amy, Profone Devu,
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whose service whoso uh took me toteparties say no normi uh you see
uh. It is with tremendous addessthat we were this morning of the passing
of Ian Sugart seen the public servantextraordinaire, who was a man of deep,
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deep integrity and grace and brilliance.His impact on the public service,
his long long career leading us asa country in so many different ways,
was extraordinaire, who as as clerkto this government, who contributed so much.
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I obviously am thinking of all hisfriends and of which he had so
many, uh, and of coursehis family through this difficult time. Deposed
man depose see the lad man exceptas easy to partculiar harmonic defunct ond evic
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Velans getting called about Alberta's CPP plans. What's your message to the province is
concerned about this possible with wrong?Well, I think I've heard from many
provinces that are really concerned about thefact that the CPP has delivered solid pensions
for millions of Canadians and it's anexpression of the fact that we're all in
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this together. And the idea thatthat Alberta might not just make their own
pensioners poor by pulling out, butimpact Canadians from coast to coast is coast
to coast to coast is not somethingthat most Albertans would want, let alone
most Canadians. And Minister Quebec thethe thessage the most attacked did not happen
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in a vacuum. But don't knowif I can get your reaction to the
fact that uh VISA processing has beenresumed with India, Well, I think
it's a good sign it. Wedon't think we should ever have been suspended
in the first place, but there'ssome people that were trying to get back
to their families and in India thatneeded urgent processing. So I'm glad that's
up and running, but make surethat hopefully it doesn't happen again a sign
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of these intentions. I would takeit for for what it's worth. Our
feeling is that the suspension should neverhave happened in the first place. So
it's nice for the folks that we'retrying to get over to India that we're
sometimes taking a triple a lifetime orjust trying to get back there. But
they'll hopefully I have a little bitmore of a normal process than than what
they've seen in the last couple ofweeks. Have you heard from you know,
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people that are in that situation.What have they told you? A
lot of anxiety. A lot ofpeople can make it plans. We do
have a flow of people that goto and from India, so it has
been I think an anxious time forthem, and they're worried. And you
know, my job, above therole I have as immigration ministers to make
sure people are safe or feel safein this country. And I think this
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really concerning diplomatic situation with India hascreated a lot of fear in a lot
of communities. Yeah. Thanks,Do you think that India's decision to restart
visa services is a sign of easingtensions? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
And do you think it's a stepforward or is it as much of a
progress as we're going to make rightnow? Oh? I think there's more
grist to be made. You know, there's there's certainly some difficult dynamics going
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back and forth. So I wasmade aware of a tweet by somebody identifying
as a major in the Indian Armythat was pretty nasty toward people in Canada.
But that's maybe a lone wolf theyou know, getting the visas open
again, I mean it's great forfamilies, right, Families here on the
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side of the water want to goand visit their relatives, and that's a
good thing, right, all right. I spoke to a family that spent
hundreds of thousands of dollars of theirown money to both fly a relative overseas
to get a new treatment for glioblastoma, and then more than four hundred thousand
dollars to get that treatment in Canada. What do you say to families that
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are spending such great sums out ofpocket to get access to drugs that haven't
been approved by Health Canada. Well, I think, first of all,
I have enormous sympathy for any familythat is in a circumstance where their health
is compromised and they're searching for SOS. I can't imagine what they're going through.
I can't imagine how stressful that is. I think from a system's perspective
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here, one of the things thatwe've been really well served by is Health
Canada is seen as one of thebest agencies in the world in terms of
ensuring both the safety and the efficacyof the drugs that are approved, and
when you're in a desperate situation,you want that drug right away. Health
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Canada needs to ensure the rigor ofits process is such that we don't make
mistakes in the rush to find solutions. Now, by the same token,
particularly when somebody is in a reallycompromised position where their life is at risk,
we do have to think about thatbalancing of those risks and that's something
that I'm talking to the department aboutabout finding well. I see your reaction,
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and my response is is that that'sa process of continual process improvement.
So that reaction is that I wasnot aware of that night. Wonder does
that suggest that there is some sortof significant change coming Well, not necessarily,
I mean, I I'm just sayingthat that I'm enormously sympathetic to somebody
who is in that incredibly difficult situation. And I'm also incredibly sympathetic to the
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need for Health Canada to maintain rigorin our processes and to make sure that
the drugs that are approved that aresafe. Uh and what that there's always
a constant state of process improvement andevaluation to make sure that we get that
right. And I and I wantto look at, particularly in instances where
somebody's life is in a compromised positionwhere they might die, that that that
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you know, the controls that wehave on risk might be in a different
place if somebody's life is already ina compromised position where you know, they
may have no other option to survivethan to try something that that that is
unusual and has higher associated risks.Would that mean in some cases harmonizing our
standards with the EU or the FDAhere, Well, I think that,
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you know, we we always wantto look at how we cooperate with other
jurisdictions and elimining duplication. We alsounderstand that other jurisdictions might make different decisions.
They may more lean on supporting themarket, and you know, economic
considerations instead of safety considerations. Andas you can imagine, if if we
get it wrong, if we endup approving something that we shouldn't approve and
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it ends up being used by Canadiansand there's an injurious impact and we failed
to protect Canadians, it won't matterthat another jurisdiction also got it wrong.
People are going to fairly ask thequestion why we got it wrong. So
we have to maintain that rigor inour process. But looking at what other
jurisdictions are doing, building on theirscience rather than being duplicative, is certainly
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something that we need to continue doing. Listen, kind of you thought on
the idea of a humanitarian cause,you need to think that's a good idea.
Well, look, we've called forhumanitarian corridors to bring humanitarian assistance into
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Gaza. We've called for humanitarian corridorsto get foreign nationals out of Gaza.
So certainly we support the idea ofhumanitarian aid. And certainly at some point
a pause might be a good idea, but not until all the hostages are
released. Hamas has it within theirpower to release all the hostages today,
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if they really cared about the stateof the Palestinian people, they would release
those hostages and make sure that humanitarianaid flows. Of coursely, what are
the implicit things in this hall bythe States, by your party for apologies,
it's really going to be one partof your exposs if you have any
expectations. Do you have any expectationsthe hosts a call? Well, our
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our call. You're correcting pointing outcalls for a pause by all. I
don't see how we could possibly trustHAMAS, which is a designated terrorist organization
designated by the Government of Canada overtwenty years ago, to abide by anything
like that. But let's it doesn'tmany that I can't put the true group
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be a bosch Quebec sized paper toQuebec mind bits b who sure is ses
part? Okay you're the preference,Yes, of course the government does you
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know this is something that we thinkis very important. You know, we
recognize that there is a very direhumanitarian the situation in Gaza at this moment.
We've been calling for a humanitarian corridorfrom the beginning. We recognize that
AID trucks need to get through andthey need to be able to deliver this
assistance. And so this is whyyesterday the Prime Minister, in alignment with
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the US and the United Nations didcall for a humanitarian possible and be conditional
on hostages released released. Well,first of all, I mean getting the
hostages out is one of our toppriorities and traditional well, I mean we
very much will continue to negotiate forthe release of hostages. However, we
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also recognize that there are a lotof people in Gaza right now who need
humanitarian assistance, and so I don'tthink we need to make this one or
the other. I think we needto ensure that we continue very strongly to
push for the release of the hostages. You know there are Canadians there as
well, but we all to understandthat we need to get humanitarian assistance to
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guys. You see imposed and manytales mediate the person insane, the lassistants,
humanitar and Canada event is it asyou need age on you all end
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of well comsund is attached see notyeah the Canadian he sound out or see
over coortinuated school secur accutely attached.What is your reaction to the UN Secretary
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General thinkers violations a very natural managerright now? What is your look?
I'm not going to comment on thatbecause I I'm not an expert in international
humanitarian law. What I can sayis what Canada has been calling for from
the beginning, which is to ensurehumanitarian corridor. And what we're asking for
now is looking at what possibility theremight be for a humanitarian pause so that
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that aid can get through. AndI explain a little bit of the difference
to Canadians who are kind of clearwhat the difference is between humanitarian pauses and
and I think the Global Affairs hasactually made a very good effort to make
that explanation. We are very concernedabout the humanitarian situation that exists in Gaza,
and we believe and support the ideaof a humanitarian pause, which is
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basically a pause of hostilities to allowhumanitarian aid to get into the region to
help those people who need to haveyesterday threat that must be eliminated do you
still is your government's position that bombingshould continue until there is no FROMANC.
What I was saying is I wasconcerned about the terrorist threat that persists,
and and that terrorist threat has tobe dealt with, but that's a very
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different situation. And making sure thatthe people who are in a desperate situation,
innocent civilians on both sides of theirborder, we'd have to make sure
that the humanitarian aid is available tothem, would do everything possible to protect.
You also said you also said yesterdaythat a mass cannot be trusted to
abide by any kind of ceasefire internationallaw. Why would they abide by a
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humanitarian truth? A humanitarian pause withwhat we're talking about, and it's basically
a pause in hostilities to allow humanitarianaid to get to the people to desperate
India. Is reaction to the UNSecretary Generals saying there are clear violations of
international humanitarian law happening in Yet thereare I think important bodies that have that
responsibility to examine exactly what's taking place. Our expectation always and from the very
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first days, agree with the UNSecretary General. Does this government degree?
What I agree is that I agreewith is that there is international law and
humanitarian law that applies to any battlefieldsituation, and that every country has an
obligation to abide by the rules theinternational law it exists, and there are
appropriate bodies to determined if, if, and when that there are which is
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in all that. But but butI believe very strongly that that law should
be a bit encom You're asking meto expectively on something. And frankly,
we believe that it's important to beable to get humanitarian aid to those people
who desperately needed and and we wesupport, we support that there should be
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a pause. How that would actuallybe effective, it should be determined,
But we believe that it's important thatthat aid get to the people who desperately
instant to reassure them and to keepthem safe. But we're, as any
responsible country, playing for eventualities andit's something that's that it really in terms
of a live situation that's evolving,is something that will will keep them,
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keep our minds and more. It'sopen to are sass unfittingly put z Mada.
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Yesterday, the UN Secretary General saidthat there were clear BYO life from
frame the National te military and lawhappening in Gaza, and I'd like to
understand Canada's position on this. Doyou agree with the Secretary General on that?
So I understand what the Secretary Generalobserved, and I think what I'd
just say is that Canada's taking theposition since the outset of this conflict about
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Israel having a right to defend itselfbut always in accordance with international humanitarian law.
I think there's been concerns about theloss of innocent lives on both sides
of the border, obviously on theIsraeli side. That's what prompted this entire
engagement by Hamasis terrists act in Israel'sresponse. We understand the response is happening
and response a military response, butensuring the international humanitary law is observed is
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critical for any nation, particularly ademocratic. Israel does contend that they are
respecting international humanitarian law, that thereare sufficient supplies still, and that that
international law on our conflict and humanitarianlaw allows them to conduct themselves the way
they are is that you work you. So I'll just observe what we've seen
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so far, which is that youknow, we've had humanitarian aid going in,
which is good. It started onthe weekend. That's a very positive
step in the right direction. Callingfor humanitarian pauses is also really really critical
to ensure the flow of that aidcontent. Is it contingent on hostages getting
out or civilians getting out or foreignnaturalis getting out last ns. Yeah,
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I think the important piece about thehostages that hostages absolutely have to be returned.
What about the civilians and foreign nationalslike Canada's support for this idea of
humanitarian pauses, is that contingent orconditional on not just aid getting in,
but civilians getting out. I thinkthe best people ask about the nature of
the humanitarian pauses would be the PrimeMinister or ministerially. But what i'd see
now is available to say to ustoday. What I'd say to you is
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that in terms of sort of thereturn of hostages that is critical. The
flow of humanity aring aid is alsocritical. As something that ken has believed
in for a long time. You'veseen US dedicated sixty million dollars in humanitarian
aid. I think that puts usfrom near the top of all of the
allies that are involved in this inthis situation, But I don't think thanks
civilians getting out, Sir, andCanadians included the liberal sixteen points behind the
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conservatives. I know that you anda lot of other liberals have had harsh
words agains which you probe have specifically, but clearly that message isn't necessarily residing
with Canadians who seem to supported moreand more. So are you concerned about
that? And what do you guyshave to do to reverse that child possible?
Well, I think what mister Pauladoes is try to amplify people's anger
and who tries to reflect back totheir anxiety. And we are in a
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world right now that is incredibly challenging, and I think once the dog begins
to break on a very difficult timethat's happening across the gold there's going to
be good opportunity for people to seewho was pushing me down, who was
pushing into their anxieties, who wastrying to make them more worried and more
scared, who's trying to take advantageof their anxiety, and who is actually
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trying to fix their problems and liftthem up. I'm very confident about how
we'll do in the future. Isthe dawn breaks and people see what exactly
has been up to, what happensif that future doesn't have him for the
next election. Well, first ofall, I've been around since two thousand
and four. You see the ebbsand flows. I'm extremely confident of where
the folks who are trying to fixproblems and lift people up will be in
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history, and where the people whoare pushing in people's pain and trying to
make them feel worse and trying toget them more scared about their current condition
are going to be humanity. Well, I'll say this, well, I
think that Look, humanity is goingthrough one of the most difficult times in
its history. Every time we thinkthat we can't, every time we think
that we can't deal with something,something worse seems to happen on the planet.
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Right now, people are feeling reallyweak. This is not the first
time humanity has gone through this.And in these moments when the world is
going through things that are very difficult, there are people who try to reassure
people, try to find solutions,and try to leave them up. Mister
Paul has offered no solutions. Theonly thing he's offered is an amplification of
people's anxiety, an opportunity to pressinto their fears to make them more scared
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and more worried about the moment thatthey're in. I think that will not
be in the long run a goodstrategy, one that will reward him electoral
And when do you guys start consideringthat you might have to change your strategy
if every day can change but everyday, I mean, I think that
we're in a world where somebody tellsyou that they know what's going to happen
in six months from now. They'relying to you next week, next week.
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We're in a state of constant change, so we have to be constantly
changing. So I mean there's athere's an evaluation of what we need to
do to serve Canadians. I mean, I look at the area that I'm
in within health, it's under constantchange, huge opportunities for transformation. So
you know, I'm trying to highlightwhat is positive, to show people that
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there's tremendous things that are under thesurface that are coming. And I know
today is hard, but it's goingto require patience. And you know,
yes, it's easy to reflect people'sspirit back. I mean it's a little
like having sugar. It feels goodfor a second, but after a little
while you realize that it's false andnot really all that good for nutritionally vacant,
and I think those are the policiesof mister palm Mark missus Sinster.
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They said Hamas is a threat thatmust be eliminated. Does that mean that
the position of the government is thatbombings should continue until they are literally no
HAMS members left. Well, Ithink that we it's extremely important that the
people who are responsible for the terroristattack are brought to justice, but I
think it's equally important that civilian lifebe predicted. Right now, we've asked
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for a humanitarian clause, for anopportunity to bring an aid and to be
able to remove people. I haveconstituents that are trapped in gas and right
now we have a profound concern forinnocant life. I don't think those two
things are mutually exclusive. I thinkbringing the Moss to justice and making sure
that they are held to account fortheir actions and we can work to wipe
them out as a terrorist organization andthe protection of innocent life are not incompatible
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concepts. But once the pause isover, I mean, it's bombs and
not lack of food that's killing peoplein government, So once the pause is
over, does the government favor aresumption of bombing until Hamas is declared eliminated
by into it. Well, I'mmy personal position is, you know,
and I think that the Minister hasspoken clearly on this is is that we
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have to find wherever possible opportunities topeacefully resolve this well at the same time
bringing the folks that are responsible tojustice. And it is an incredible delicate
situation. The Minister Julia is justin the region by trying to talk through
that path, find a way tomake sure that that life is protected,
work and that those that are responsiblefor a terrorism or bronze justice. Can
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you feel that your government another goI apologize for your government. Another government's
done enough to force as well towardsthe two states polution. I think that
you know, right now we needto focus on the humanitarian boss. We
need to focus on the immediate crisisthat's in front of us. I don't
disagree to me. We as aas a world need to reflect upon how
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we get through not only this immediatemoment, but how we get to broader
peace. We can't we can't allowthe violence that we've seen over the last
while to becoming something that continues toservice. So I think in all of
our parts, every person everywhere inthe world works peace, and that has
to be at the heart of ourwork and our and our thinking and charms
of solutions. But I have togo out company forget that incularly see the
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New York if about a new Paskerlater that Siva who got the money they
said it was the cupe the fairman and no for me the fair manual
commutation and as if he's had firmmother is polganiz maybe on my mom?
And and then what the world say? So said that that you know,
(30:49):
looks they see a party, lightness, sire for early civil For myself,
I listen to she said class likea sun experience given Canada supporting it,
(31:26):
Like, what what does that look? In? Canada is calling for humanitarian
pauses? And this is something thatseveral other countries have caused called for.
And how that will actually work,I can't tell you. What I know
is that a cease fire with meis real vulnerable, and so plause will
allow them to maintain readiness but alsoensure will be delivered. That's our goal.
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We we put in sixty million dollarstowards humanitary aid and now we need
to get that aid into gas andwe have to find it. Always are
what conflixts do you have that mobswould respect humanitarian pause? I have no
confidence of ms will respect. Whatwe need to do is negotiating behind a
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way to help make the truth apause and a seaspire. I'm not a
technical expert on this. But whatI would understand is that when we have
a war, we have guns beingfired. When we have a ceasefire,
we have guns laid down. Whenwe have a humanitarian pause, we have
(32:31):
guns poised, but not fire inGaza, which everyone's concerned about. Is
a very good approach. Okay,well the idea, I certainly do,
because I think we should be verymuch concerned about civilians. But in history,
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and do you think a true ahumanitarian trooch is right now a better
call than a ceasefire? Have tomake sure that the international community is supporting
that absolutely. Do you believe thatthe moss should be eliminated? Do you
believe that the governor should take thatposition? Well, I don't. I
don't think there's a single person whowho can say anything nice about the moss,
but not very definition of eliminating.I'm not quite sure that can be
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how that can be accomplished, Andthat's why I think the international community should
for those an honest humanitarian pause.Can you sense for people at home between
humanitarian pauses and a cease fire?So what is the difference from what I've
heard from my constituents from what youheard from your party? Because your party.
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I'm not asking you. You know, mister is not asking for the
ceasefire. He's saying we want humanitarianpauses. What does that mean for really,
what's the difference. The government hasbeen very clear all along that we
support Israel's right to defend itself.But the government has been very clear that
civilian life must be protected in Gaza. There's different approaches about whether or not
it's it's a temporary cease fire,whether or not there's a long term cease
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fire. The government could not getinto that question. The key mass so
that the government is supporting is thatwe need to make sure that civilian life
in Gaza is protective. To beproud of the fact that the government is
focused on that, that we're workingwith partners around the world. People can
get people can get caught in,including journalists. How can it get protected
without a ceasefire? Well, atthe end of the day, the actual
military operation that Israel is providing inGaza is actually very targeted towards Amas.
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I can appreciate that it's a smallarea. It's difficult. I mean,
look, I'm not going to getLook. At the end of the day,
I saw where the government position isThis is a very nuanced issue,
one of the most complex geopolitical issuesin the world. At the end of
the day, the government is walkingthe line between making sure that Israel has
its right to defend itself the worstattack since the hol of Folks, but
at the same time trying to makesure that the response from Israel is proportionate
(34:45):
to hamas a territory based organization,non on civilian life. It's a difficult
question, and answered, I notto get to caucus spars for the post
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(37:07):
field or is in that field thatshould tell us it's what's respected. If
there's a some some rules that arenot respected, they don't have a clue
and I'm not experience in that field. But we're still of love here and
international law is love. So anyparties should respect international law and all the
(37:29):
Western countries should be severe about that. To condemning whoever party where even on
this planet. This conflict is notit's important because it's sexual right now,
but there's many conflicts that anyway.International US should be respected by everyone in
Western countries should make sure it's sticking. Just like just wander passion. We
(37:52):
should get back the bailers people.We look at a fish we want to
should be the message issues the again, but gain jim enough for so that
(38:16):
it looks it is it look atthe the sacro sub provents ones wait Instagram,
she said Media Quebec. The pis like, okay, I just
wanted to ask your thoughts in thisidea of humanitarian pause. Is that something
(38:38):
that you support. I think allof the Western nations, Canada, the
United States, and UK have usedthe same language. We're not calling for
a ceasefire. We understand that Israelhas to be able to defend itself under
international law. It has to beable to take out the terrorist group come
us. That's that it's borders.But certainly we want humanitarian need to get
in and pause simply means to putyour weapons, you know, on pause
(39:01):
for a little bit. Well,well that happens, and I think that's
a reasonable. Let me make itclear, when you see something impossible like
this is fire, you have totake some possible state in order to make
the impossible possible. So I stronglysupport the humanitarian bringing food, what mets
(39:27):
into VI citizen bring little teach downwith this with the future. We were
reached this is fire and after that, the mission of the entire nations and
to bring both sides to a negotiationtable for a lasting piece and security.
Thank you very mu much, thankyou very much. We expect the parties
(39:51):
to get back to the table byFriday. I'm going to talk to my
mediation teams to where I should be. Then I follow their recommendation. We
will show both these things. Theygo to ninety six percent track record even
with the BC poort strikes. Soyou know where it gonna be helpful is
Friday soon enough. That's when theparty said that they've wanted to do it,
So you know it is in theirhands. You know, I immediate
(40:14):
and conciliate. I'm responsible for that. They have to come to the agreement.
So if nothing happens on Friday,this is the time you start looking
at the candle labor card, startpull it into that policy toolkit. Can
just go there, young because evenmentioning that kind of taints what the table
would be. I go into iteyes wide open, but optimistic. There's
no rent to Canada's reputation as apartner here. Are you concerned about Canada's
reputation as a dream partner? Well, we just keep talking to our American
(40:37):
counterparts. They are obviously very concernedand have a lot at stake here as
to a lot of members of thiscaucus around the Great around Great Lakes communities
and with a particular interest in grain. So getting it from all sides,
and I apply that pressure to theparties. I'm talking about the Conservatives in
their bill, the bill that's beingbuilded on today on vaccine mandates. What
do you think about the fact thatwe're still discussing this in the post pandemic
(40:58):
ber a man, which is gotso many other things to be discussing right
now. But you know, Ican't tell them what to do. Is
I just find it just it's areflection of their priories. So I let
that speak for itself. We gota lot, a lot of other friends
we need to be talking about now. Thank you, Thanks sweet the Minneso
(41:23):
again if the stars Paul response forlast Sunday can be because member lea mister
Oregon. Yeah, the miss Oregonpart v present ma name Flacion person pasion
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and Alan San de Pertsi. ThePAS comes with the Lisa ju On Parade
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evokes in the conference the clean Lamnot like guess that about the coast,
the Folks as the prepping map AnAppello Partsy the Sven the Minnesota incomes with
(43:00):
says it's attiation Minnesota again we're talkingabout the prison cost. Well, I
(43:23):
would say, uh, everyone inthe country fills the level of urgency.
Like I said when we came outof COVID, Uh the resiliency of our
supply chain was paramount. You know, we have inflation. We need to
make sure that we're not creating asituation that would be detrimental. Uh,
two different actors in in the supplychain. You know, there's a lot
(43:44):
of issues around trust that our internationalpartners are putting in terms of the logistics
that we offer in Canada. ButI know the party understand that I trust
them to come to negotiated agreement.That's what we want, and I hope
that they will be meeting and continuingto find solutions I could not be eliminated.
(44:07):
Do you agree. I'll leave thatto Minister Blair of that is his
common British traveling yes with Parliamentary Committeelast week he had the first name Mohammed.
He was stopped twice by traditional securityscreening and said he was humiliated by
it. What's your reaction, Well, we we when we heard that,
(44:27):
we we called Kada Erkanda apologized andapologizing was the right thing to do.
That different chosen. If I skids, it's a lesim only ski kimo fact
(45:09):
pascals, We're gonna see the POSSIexactly what that important? India that said
that it will renew issuing of fourkinds of visas. Do you feel that
(45:31):
that chapter is now closed? Areyou satisfied with what they said about that?
But it's good to see that theyhave say that it would have been
nice that they didn't take it inin the first place. And as I
want to remind Canadians everybody that therewas a game that's killed on Canadians oil
and we've been asking for greater cooperationwith the investigation. When do you how
(45:52):
do you interpret the signal of thisslight easy in attentions from media are they're
trying to think we have very strongpeople to people times right and to making
sure that both Canadians and Adians canhave the ability to be able to go
back and forth when especially when itcomes to uh, you know, celibratory
events like weddings and sadly when itcomes to funerals. So there's very two
(46:13):
very important events that we want tomake sure that people can go back in
for sorts. It is good newsfor Canadians as well. Where is there
going to be arrests in that case? As you know, when it comes
to the police that they decide independently. You have no information as to how
much longer they need. As aformer police officer, I can assure you
did this type of when it comesto police investigation, they are completely there's
(46:37):
no way the government has no cluewhat's going on. Their investigation is completely
independent. But that you're going tohave to react to it politically if there
are arrests and you're concerned that thiscould all start up again. If there
again it's against the police will maketheir decision when whatever information does come out
at that time, of course,we'll make the appropriate judgment calls of that
(46:57):
one for years. Then it alldepends on their the police investigation. I
can't say I have I can assureyou I have no idea would just be
able to say whether it's gonna bemonths, weeks or years. But one
thing I can say, I dohave confidence, uh in their ability in
their own investigation. Thank you,yes, Canada horble summer the problem.
(47:27):
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(47:52):
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the leadership the Canada be she didto sit an extra tablet that it is
sad. It is sad problems problem. Ven de sylvagner Le convers the opposition
(49:27):
is a most points this look.I mean, I think the oppositions that
have touched on this, I meanCanadians overwhelmingly supported uh COVID vaccines. I
think it's also concerning because when misterPaula first put this forward, it was
about limiting all vaccine mandates. Youknow, I can't send my son to
daycare if he's not fully immunized,and that's something that's about the public health
(49:51):
of all Canadians. You know,I think most Canadians recognize how difficult the
time that was, how you know, important and safe vaccines were, So
you know, this is I think, you know, just riling up people
at a time when you know weneed to be focused on on other things.
(50:15):
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(51:16):
import Israel and its call for AntonioGuteris to stuff down. Look, what
Canada supports right now is very muchlooking for humanitarian corridor, looking for humanitarian
pause to get aid into Gaza.We've been firm and we support Israel's right
(51:37):
to defend itself with an international humanitarianlaw and that's our position. Thank you
come to windsor you're not too concernedabout it. No, Look, I
would expect any leader of any officialopposition to get around the country. There's
a big difference in my writing,particular because I've had many conversations over the
four years. There's a strong hitstory of progressive conservatism. But when I
(52:01):
talk to most conservative minded individuals,they are concerned about his trajectory in terms
of what he represents because it's adifferent type of conservatism than what we've generally
seen in the country. And peopledon't forget that when the merger happened with
the Progressive Conservatives and what is nowthe CPC, that that party is dead.
Is it mostly enhance like the morerural where you come from, or
(52:23):
is it also in kings the valley. No, I would say, I
would say Atlantic Canadab at large.I mean, look, right now,
you have Premier Houston, who rana campaign in twenty twenty one saying that
he was not the same as thefederal Conservatives because he knows the body politic
in Nova Scotia is different than thetype of style that Pierre Pollio is offering.
We have an obligation to remind Canadiansabout what he stands for and how
(52:45):
he has acted up here in Ottawaand certainly across the country. Then misogynistic
tags on his videos, his Americanstyle of politism, the way even in
Colonna, the way he acted,and in terms of how he engaged with
the journalists. So there's a lotthere not to say that I disagree.
There's some areas, certainly on tryingto drive regulatory reform. Big projects are
fine, But I think at theend of the day, when I talk
(53:06):
to my constituents, they want tosee a principal advocate in Autawall. I'm
making sure I try to do thatevery day. And at the same time,
their style of conservatism that exists AtlanticCoata is different than what the Federal
Conservative Party has become. Every time. Thank you the show has been produced
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