July 28, 2025 • 40 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to The Dinger's Podcast, presented to you by
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to talk to the Cubs. All I need the Dingers
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podcast is I'm the air. I'm your host, Mitch. I'm
here with Jeff and Kevin, and it is Monday night.
We are recording as the Cubs are taking on the
Djens from upcountry the Milwaukee Brewers, and the Cubs have
a three nothing lead. So this will be this episode
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will be a little bit of like watch along, Slash,
trade talk, Jed Hoyer, extension talk, and just all that
wrapped up into this episode. So, boys, how we feeling?
How we feeling about going into this big, huge series?
This is a big week. We got trade deadline on Thursday,
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big series versus the Brewers, best two teams in baseball,
squaring off. You have Miserawski versus boy tonight. How we feeling, boys?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Feeling good?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Nauseous, sick in my stomach, hot sweats, cold sweats, finger nailed, discomfort.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Wowail, discomfort, all the things.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So take some XLX get through it. I'm feeling good.
I saw in the pre game for the game this
evening somebody sent in a tweet and I thought it
was it summed up things. Well, it feels like like
the super Bowl. It feels like that wild card NFL
game or whatever, you know, the the you have to
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win to keep going like this. These feel like big games,
and I think it's somewhere else. It was like looking
out and seeing you know, oh gosh, it's got hug Watch. Yep,
hug Watches in full effect. Just it's been since I
think somebody said twenty eighteen since I've really felt a
series that's been this important to the potential.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And this early in the season.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, it's like, yes, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
What you know, what's bad? Like I've started probably a
month ago already like checking the standings and checking scores
like every single night, and so like it's it's a
good thing. It's a good thing that we're there. At
the same time, it's like, dang, it's it's this early
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and we're already like into this, checking the scores every
single night. It's easy tonight because we're playing the team
that we need to beat, that are right behind us.
Walking Brewers went on a hot stretch there before the
All Star break and after the All Star Break. Took
three from the Dodgers, and I've been playing good baseball there.
They have exciting young picture pitching tonight. Miserawski comes put
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up three in the first inning, got his pitch count up.
Brewers are kind of knocking at the door now, just
push to run across. Got two on second third with
one out. Boyd has looked off tonight. Uh, missing location.
Start off the game with two walks, got bailed out
by a great double play by Shaw and then another
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amazing play right after that by Shaw. Just hasn't looked sharp.
And this is a little concern because you're just coming
off of and I mean in Monaga start where he
didn't look sharp as well against the White Sox, and
he they are your two best pitchers. They need to
carry you. So even gets you where when we get
to trade talk and we're looking at starting pitching, that
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makes it even that more important to get a start pitching.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Uh, nice Scott. Nice.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Big thing that happened today, Big news is Jed Hoyer
signed an extension. What does that do for this week
in the trade deadline? What do you think it plays
a big part? Like why they announced it now rather
than next week or the following week. Why do you
think it's so important that they made this deal happen
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now on a Monday before Thursday's trade deadline? Why do
you think Kevin.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
So For me? I was I was thinking about it
a couple of weeks ago when the trade chatter started
to kind of ramp up, and I was just in
my head, going, you know, if if Hoyer is a
lame duck president, like he could do nothing and walk
out of the building. Yeah, and he could do a
ton of things that are not great for the organization
to walk out or he you know, he could play
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it well, but but he's got there's very little for
him riding on this trade deadline, and now that he's
locked in for I can never see how many more.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You set an extension. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, I just did like multi year extension. But regardless,
coming into it, I feel a lot better knowing that
he's going to be here because he's then it makes
me feel like Ricketts and him have an agreement, They
have a plan, and if that plan is Hoyer's, hopefully
it's a good one, and then he can actually enact
some trades. It reminds me a little bit of the
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twenty sixteen season, or really the twenty fifteen ish season,
there's just kind of this moment where it felt like, oh,
not only are we going this year, they see something
behind this and they're gonna build even better for next
year as well. I feel very comfortable with it.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
That's where it makes me even more comfortable that I think, yeah,
like Russell says, he has more skin in the game
and the success now of wanting to win in the future. Now,
if you were Jed Hoyer and you wanted to go
out and win, you would have sold the farm trying
to win this year, knowing that like well, Kyle Tucker
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might not be there. Now, you have more skin in
the game because you're like, okay, I need to trade.
And so that that means when I know when they're
gonna make a trade for a starting pitcher and they're
not gonna get a rental, they're gonna get somebody that's
cost controlled for the next couple of years, Which that
makes me lean more towards the Mackenzie Gore, the Edward
Cabrera type guys when they when they're looking at those
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type of deals, and it makes me like think maybe
the Suarez deal for third isn't gonna happen. I don't know,
but like, I like that the deal is done. I
like that the deal is announced early, and so that
even people that are getting traded and coming here now
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know what to expect out of the Cups. They know,
even Cayle Tucker doing it this early now, if they're
gonna have any talks with him, they know he's gonna
be here for a while, like he's coming back, and
jenn Hoeyer is gonna be here for the next like
three years or four years whatever. If I sign, at
least I know his vision rather than they're gonna have
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a new baseball president of Baseball operations here in the
next couple of days, like next year, and I have
to try to sign with them and not really know
their vision. So I think it's a good thing. But man,
I'm excited for what's to come. And as the Brewers
just tie it up three to three here and the
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third with one out, still.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You're a little bit ahead of me.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Manage, Yeah, like a void. Anyway, let's talk some trades. Obviously,
the Cubs need starting pitching. They have had very little
production out of base this year. The relief pictures. They
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could add a couple of them, what do you think
and maybe a name out there that you're like, Okay,
this is the this is who I think they're gonna
go get. I mentioned a couple Jeff who's like a
guy that like, Okay, they're gonna go get this guy.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I have no clue. I am reading these articles and
the speculation stuff, and I just feel like they're not
gonna do shit.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I honestly really do little negativity from the Jeffy pool.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, well, you know what they've let me down in
the past and protecting and history repeats itself.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Are you are you worried about getting your heart too
into this? And then you might get a I am.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
They drugged me back in this year with a fantastic
play in the first half, got me all excited again.
And then here we are three and a third days
before the trade deadline, and I haven't really heard anything
about they're talking to this person's agent. They're talking that.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I like when you don't hear it. I like when
you don't hear it, because I like, I think Jed
works better when he's like behind closed doors. When you're
not hearing anything, it's when you hear a whole bunch
of junk is when it gets what makes me mad.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
That's what I was three. That's what I was thinking,
the same thing, Mitch, because like, I don't think we
heard a lot about the Kyle Tucker trade before it
kind of went down. We didn't hear much about signing
Shoda until it went down. That kind of seems to
be his mo o, which I which I'm okay with.
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For me, what's funny is I was originally thinking, like
Seth Lugo as he just yeah, and then he just
signs an extension today, and so that kind of threw
me for a little. And really, McKenzie Gore or Joe Ryan
kind of names that kind of pop bubble to the
top for me. But I don't know that that's I
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don't know that Joe Ryan's splashy enough.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I I like the McKenzie Gore. I think the McKenzie
Gore is gonna cost you Owen Casey, Treanto's maybe Wiggins.
I'm one that I don't want to see the Cubs
give up Owen Casey, Like it's hard for me, Like
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it's hard for me to see Kyle Tucker and see
that if he leaves own, Casey can fill that gap.
And the way Cal Tucker has been playing the last
two months, Owen Casey is not gonna be that much
of a drop off like I gonna be. Like Owen
Casey has been playing some good ball hitting, he strikes
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out a little bit more, but like fills that gap
really quickly. And like I was trying to explain this
to like my daughter, it's like, hey, Like she just
remembers the Cubs trades from when they trade Bryant Schwarmer
and they are trade Bryant and Biaz and Rizzls. She
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remembers that trade deadline and so she's now twelve, gonna
be thirteen, but she still remembers that. She like, I
hate trades. It just seems weird that we're trading players.
She doesn't get it. But explain the fact that, like, Okay,
here we are. We can make our team better and
try to win a championship this year at the cost
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of maybe future success. Would you do that knowing that
you have a player like Kyle Tucker that is only
there for one season and then you have to try
to sign him back, and it just so happens the
best player that you have that's a prospect. Isn't that
same position of Kyle Tucker? What would you do? And
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she's like, well, the Cubs haven't won a World Series,
They've only won one in the last one hundred years.
Why don't you go for it. I'm like, see, that's
where it's tough. Like I'm one that I want to
go for I want to win a World Series, right,
but I also love watching good baseball for one sixty
two the years that it's really hard to watch one
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hundred and sixty two games of baseball, those are tough years,
the last four and so.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Like, I totally agree with you, Mitch, and I'm I
would be worried about selling off the farm to the
point where we sell away those positions at you know what,
a year or two ago, we had so many outfield
prospects that potentially could have filled in. And I mean
even right now, Owen Casey in a different year would
be up with the big leagues playing with how he's
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playing it at shooting.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
He could come up and take cap spot and do
better right now.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I was actually just thinking about that too. And and
Happ's got a couple of years if I remember, right,
on his contract. He's not like super long.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
What they need is is Kevin al Contra to go
off this week in the minors.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
They need that would be fantastic.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
And sell himself. So like for me, like I don't
want to see Owen case he go. I want to
build a package and I don't really want Wiggins is
a great prospect pitcher, Like I don't want to see
him go either. It's tough. It's it's always tough because
they are what they are. They're prospects. They haven't liven
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anything in the major leagues yet, and what we're getting
on these trades is proven major league product.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, but they might be proven, but they still gotta play.
What we're gonna do is we're gonna sell some pieces
off and they're gonna come back and play his years,
you know, next year, the year after or sometimes and
to beat our asses.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
And it's going to piss you off. Oh that's right,
you're not You're not wrong. I mean that happens with
with pretty much every trade, except for weirdly the trade
or that when we got Pca that one seems to
have worked out. But yeah, I mean you're gonna have
things like that. I mean, look at is it Cam
Smith playing for Houston right now. He's playing well, He's
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had up and downs, but he's also a rookie, you know,
he's young. So like overall, where I'm looking, I would
love to see us get a couple more pitchers. You
can never have enough starting pitching for the long haul,
especially with Horton and Boyd up high on their innings counts,
you know, blowing past what they've done in the past.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
See, I'm with you, I with you. I want to
get one top tier guy, like get Edward Cabrera or
Mackenzie Gore, and then go get an Adrian Houser from
the White Sox as the second tier guy, and then
get one relief guy. And I would if I did
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those three moves, I'm gonna let uh swore as go
right now. If I only signed one starting pitcher, Let's
say I get Edward Cabera, and I get a relief
picture of the guy from the Orioles, the what's his
name Selender or something like that I can't remember. Good,
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then I would go get Suarez. And here's what I
would do. He's not to replace Matt Shaw because Matt
Shaw's Betton like like Scott said, or forty four since
All Star Break making amazing plays on defense. You know
what I would do. I would put Sure as a
ditch and platoon Sea and half in left field.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yep, I I kind of love that idea, especially both.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Because you're gonna need You're gonna need more offense.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yes, we've really cooled off as of late on the
offensive end of the I mean, and our relief pitching
is scot awful to.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Hm, so that that's my way.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, I completely agree, and I I yeah, I want
to be positive. Matt Shaw has has shown that he
can he can handle it. He's made these adjustments over
the season each time the league is adjusted to him,
he's been able to figure it out. On top of adding,
I mean, he's just pulling the ball so well up
in the air, especially at Wrigley, I wonder I didn't
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get it done. Yeah, Joe Ryan and it.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Was Juan yet. I mean, that would be that would
take a lot to get both those.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Scott, he said, trade the farm, go get.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Him at That's gonna take a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Shit this up to seventy eight pitches, seventy nine pitches.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Blow him up for the rest of the season.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
M hm, I can't how well that first inning went.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, well we didn't really tattoo the ball. It was
a couple of airs and yeah, a lot of walks.
My thing is, he's this Missowski is gonna be a
de gram. I'm just gonna call it. I give him
like one or two good years and then he is gonna.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Have abow pain, shoulder tightness, yep, fingernail dis comfort, blisters.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Blow a hammy.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Before this at bat from Nico Horner, his last two
at bats, he had seen you know what pitches he
had seen.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
He saw ten in the first one.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yes, the last two at bats, Yeah, you had twenty
six pitches he saw in two at last.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Holy s. He's been on fire with those types of
a bats lately. And that one was it just yesterday
where he had the super long one and he and
he was like a sixteen Yeah, oh yeah he is.
He has looked great.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Save. It's not the back, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
It's not the back of the man. It's not the.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Thing with this series versus the Brewers. Looking forward, the
Cubs need need this game, they need the Matthew Boyd
game because you're gonna be fake. Oh he's out because
you're gonna be facing Peralta, the best, the best three
pitchers from the Brewers. You're gonna be facing. You need
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this game verse with Boyd your best picture right now.
Ow pitching have to saving the bullpen. Who else they
got nobody? So this this series is tough for me because,
like I want to take you need at least one
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we all three would be amazing. You're you have a
four game series with them coming up at Wrigley like
a week and a half, two weeks, like.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Ye an, you want to make a statement before the
trade deadline, you don't get two or three, go into
the deadline and then we're gonna we're gonna they're gonna
come down to Chicago and we're gonna have a different
looking starting rotation and we can take it to him.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Then, okay, okay, out of out of let's say Joe Ryan,
Edward Cabrera and Mackenzie Gore. Who do you want.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
We're gonna go look up m McK gore's stance.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So the thing with Mackenzie Gore, he will be absolutely filthy,
strike out like nine and give up one run and
six innings, and you'll do that for three or four starts,
and then he is prone to have a clunker where
he will give up like seven runs and walk like sixty.
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He has elite stuff, elite stuff. He will get it.
He will walk some guys, but he has a high
strikeout uh where when you look at Joe Ryan, he's
just gonna be pretty professional. Edward Cabrera, I would say,
Edward Cabrera out of stuff. He has the best stuff
out of all of them.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
What for some reason to me, I don't know that
I want to get another lefty starter. We seem to
have a lot of them, But I don't know that
that's actually true. If that's just my perception and or a.
I don't know that that matters actually as much as
I'm thinking, but that that was kind of that was
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what I was thinking. I don't I don't remember which
side of Yeah, Joe Ryan throws right.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
And then Cabrera Carreras already.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah, yeah, and Marlins.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Also spake samuelle contra to for the Marlins, that's what. Yeah.
Maybe he's just come back from Tommy John surgery this year.
He's had kind of up and down, kind of took
it a little while to get back into swinging things.
He's pitched well the last couple of starts.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, and and then he came out and what did
he say the other day? He's already packed his bags.
He knows he's leaving. Oh gosh, Well, Edward Cabrera is
only twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yes, twenty seven, and he's cost control for the next
three years.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Oh three years. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm using Baseball Reference,
which is not my usual go to, and I'm like,
where is that?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
That's where, Like, both both Mackenzie Gore and Edward Cooper
are both ones that I would want to get rather
than uh, the guy you just can't get.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
For this year, either of those guys walkers like myself
that have no soul.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
No, Well, that's.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Why I don't want to That's why I don't want
to get wrong rid of own Casey. Yeah, we're getting
a lot of ginger on this team, and it's really
starting to show.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Well, if they traded on Casey and James Treantos, that's
a lot of ginger right there too.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
That's like firetruck red hair.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Well, that's what maybe Jed Will pitched to them, like, hey,
you can only handle one ginger in this trade. Two
would be too much you You wouldn't be able to
handle it.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Ye, Marty Peter kind of keep the locker room from
blowing up.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Do you think if we lose this game that Jediri
has a deal in place and just to build morale
so the cub switter doesn't blow up, that he announts
the trade right after if we lose.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Well, we've been watching what's been taken and transpiring the
last few series where we have a picture that pitches
pretty poorly. We kind of lose a lop sided game,
we come back, we win the next couple, one of
them by the skin of our teeth. So, I mean,
it's been playing out for a while, so he's got
to have something going, something cooking to get us at
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least a starter.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I would things, I would hope. So it's good timing
for it, because unfortunately, an aspect of the of the
MLB trade deadline is it all comes down to the
last day, last couple of hours even, and it's a
whole game of who's going to be the first player
to drop and then all these other players go. I mean,
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just like free agency.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
I want to know if Scott c from Iowa has
multiple TVs on or if he's getting like all the
alerts to his phone because apparently Suarez was just hit
on the hand and left the game.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Oh oh, do.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
It all right, Jed, Jed doesn't look good? All pictures?
Go get an extra relief pictures just just in case.
And by extra I mean like two, like.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Two get two starters. I would say, let's talk a
little bit about this CBS offense because you have coming
out of the break, you have Nico swinging the bat,
you have Matt Shaw swinging the bat really well, but
you're still not getting production from Dansby Swanson, from Ian
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happ Uh Saya, Suzuki's really struggled coming out of the
All Star break. And then Kyle Tucker. I still don't
think he's had a home run in July. No, yeah,
So like we need three two of those guys to
start going there we go, Hey, Cheerio is on like
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a twenty game hit streak and we've just walked him twice.
So if we just keep walking him, then he loses
that hit streak. I like it.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I like it, Let's do it. I can't head at
the beginning of a series, and that just.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Is gonna result in two runs being scored right here.
When this guy hits it.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Over the are so negative?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Jeff, hoop up, pop up? Can we get out? Then?
See there we go and we're hit. We're gonna stop
that twenty game history. All right, let's get back to
all we're talking about, like the offense, what what what
do we need to get some of these guys going?
We have four or five guys.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
There's struggle Boston yesterday during the broadcast, they threw up
a stat I think it was the second ending because
that's when the would we just play White Sox the
White Sox because they had done that opener and they're
bringing their starter in, but their starter was facing our
seven eight nine, and they were showing the stats of
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our seven eight nine versus the rest of the league's
seven eight nine, and it was like first in batting
average first, and slugging first and non base first, like
all these different stats. And I'm sitting there thinking, going, unfortunately,
the three in front of them are the part of
the lineup that's struggling. So I don't know if it's
a we need to just kind of council needs to
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just take take a bag with all their names in it,
just start pulling them out randomly and just shove them
into a lineup for a day or two. My guess
is is some folks need to move around. I mean,
Saya looked ugly the other day, lots of strikeouts looking
and he's.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I don't like Michael Bush at lead off, Yeah, I
don't like. I mean, but ian half has struggled so
much that he's kind of been pushed out of there.
I would like Nico Horner back there just because there's
nobody else. But oh, I don't know what I thinks.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
This isn't he platuning Bush and Horner depending on who's like.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
The there's a lefty. If it's a lefty, then it's.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I think his hands are kind of hog tied at
the moment until somebody starts hitting the damn it.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
That was a commercial, got him, get it?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
That's I don't know, if it's a thing of do
you think they could go They could go back to
p C A at the start of the lineup against
right e's and go Nico against lefties and move Bush
back a little.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Bit like not red hot, yeah, after the whole.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Or just leave give give Nico the reins.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I want that. I we need need need cal Tucker
to get going. M hm, he needs to get going.
He needs to find his slugstroke, like we just we
need it, like he we got him for this reason
to like when the lineup is struggling, that he was
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the most consistent guy that can like kind of break
us out of that or be the most consistent in
him going through this stretch of not providing any power
and not really hitting the ball. Yeah, it's cause where
we lose two or three from the Royals, where we
struggle with the White Sox, so like it has to
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be better. It has to be better, especially out of him.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And I hope he's not like hurt and like working
through something, especially with Casey down at Iowa hitting so well,
Like if he's hurt, give him, give him ten days
and let him get right and pull up Casey and
let's see how that looks for a little while. Because
worst I don't know, not necessarily worst case scenario, but
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a scenario could be that Casey stays up and somebody
else like happens, say I get a little time off
to get their heads right too, because all three of
them have just been not great and Dansby's been so
up and down all season two, you don't know what
you're getting out of him. And he seemed Dansby seems
to be the guy who, when everybody is batting well,
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said only he starts batting well, But when some people
start batting poorly, he starts batting poorly.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Scott from Alice side that Michael Boyd or Matthew Boyd
to Michael Boyd, Michael Bush is up to bat. Matthew
Boyd Uh wasn't hisself tonight, but he did get his
thousandth strikeout of his career tonight. So congrats to Matthew Boyd.
There as Michael Bush just gets a basis here in
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the fifth. It is in the fifth inning, Cubs are
still are down four to three, one out in the fifth,
Brewers have gone to their pen, brought in a crafty
lefty made uh Matt Shaw looks silly in his bat,
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but I'm still one that that we need to get cal.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Pucker going mm hm.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
And he needs just one home run, I think if
one home run and here as als Kyle Tucker pops
out follow territory third base, Come on, Kyle Tucker, let
him walk. Who cares, don't spend the money keep on
in Casey.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
That's where I think if he doesn't turn it on
and and finish the season strong like that, I don't
I if people are still clamoring after call, you know,
signing him, like you didn't pay attention to the season.
But I could see a situation where he struggles for
another little while and then suddenly turns it on and
we get like a half in August, in a September,
and then everybody's wanting him again, and it's one of
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those like do you not remember the month and a
half in the middle that was making.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Well, that's where you need either Tucker or say uh,
because they're both going to a little funk right now.
You need your two three guys two three four. If
PCA behind him is struggling, you need your two three
four guys to get going. And when they're all struggling,
your your lineup isn't going to function properly and put
up runs like it did in the first half. You
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can't rely on your your your bottom half of your
order to carry you for very much longer. They might
carry you a game, they can't carry you a stretch.
And so that's where.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Last eight weeks to the season, no way.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, And so it's like, yeah, they're going through a
little bit since the All Star break, want to ten games.
We're in a tent tenth game since all Star break.
Like that is, that is a very small sample size,
and you take a little bit of a break breather.
But they better start turning around here soon, because that's
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like half a month. And when you're a half a
month of games, where's lucky that we've been playing the
Royals and the White Sox.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Right, we got like the third easiest schedule the rest
of the way we do.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Yeah, yeah, after the Brewer, we have the Orioles, Orioles,
Cincinnati Cardinals, Blue Jays Pirates, and then the Brewers come
to town.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh my god. Which as easy as the overall schedule
is that the Jays and the Orioles are, they're not
going to be uh, they're not going to be easy
games either, you.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Know, Yeph.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Come by, Yeah, come on, come on, come on.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Was that his first pitch, mitch or second? Uh?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
First pitch? Okay?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, I think Jeff and I are just a smidge
behind you, to be honest, I think you got.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
A fastball right down the middle of a hundred.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
He uh oh. I think some of these guys are
like suppressing too much.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Mm hmm. It's an interesting combination of some people are
pressing too much, and I think Saya is sitting back
too much.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yes, because it works best when he's aggressive, When he's
aggressive at the first pitch.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yep, yep. But he has lately just been kind of
watching and not being super aggressive, and teams have noticed
they're throwing him, they're grooving him. First pitch strikes down
the middle. He's not swinging at him.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Pa got jammed and missed it.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
So I was at the Friendly Confines last Wednesday, first
time took the fam That is a beautiful, beautiful place.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
First time in your life, right.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
First time in my life. Yep, that I'd ever.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Been on Wednesday, the game that they lost.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yes, I saw Colin Ray and that when we were
just talking about, you know, we seem to have two
good starts and then a clunker. That was the clunker. Also,
Colin Ray is ridiculously tall, Like I did not realize
how tall he is. I saw him walking into the
stadium that morning and I was like, holy.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Smokes, girling by the players parking lot.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
So that was a funny thing. When you're up by
Gallagher Way where the players come in, there's a covered
lot and it has security around it, and there's a
bunch of kids wanting autographs and what not. But there's
also the outdoor restroom, the restroom you can get to
outside the stadiums right there. So I was going to
the bathroom and while I'm walking over that way, I
see Dan Sby Swanson and Ian Happ walking towards me.
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I was like what, And then I saw these kind
of pickets and these blocks and some serious security guy
guard folks, and then a couple of like clearly you
could tell dads who had kids across the street that
were closer to the players that could get their autographs
when they came out. And they were like, oh, yeah,
there comes these two. And then I think they said
the only ones left that they hadn't seen yet were
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like Tucker, Kelly, Colin Ray, and there was a fourth person.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Tucker should be the first one at the ballpark. He's
going through extra.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
He was out that game.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
That game.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah, you work through it.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, that was Unfortunately they didn't let us in early
enough to see BP because it was during the during
the week, they only let you in ninety minutes early,
and I guess by the time we got in there
they were done and doing VP. But beautiful place, beautiful
place we're in. That was the heat advisory day. It
was like one hundred and seven at the ballpark, but
we were in the shade. We had an overhang over us.
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My youngest slept through a couple of innings because he
got hot, and then he got tired, and then he
took a nap, and then we got an ice cream
and he was ready to go for innings five through nine. Unfortunately,
there wasn't a lot to see except for some garbage
time home runs. My middle was very excited about PCA
hitting a home run and then Shaw hit one two,
so he was he enjoyed that. But that's a beautiful place.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Who else was.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
It was me and my wife and my two of
my kids.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Well, no, I said, any who else was at the game?
We all remember Nakayla that used to work out with
as a five.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yes, she was at the game. Really, yeah, that's awesome.
Something I never knew or I didn't think about. You
have to have a bleacher ticket to even get back
behind the bleachers because I was doing like a lap
around the whole stadium, just taking it all in, and
they stop you when you get back there, and I
was like, oh crap. I was gonna like sneak up
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and like just like what's the view look like out here?
But Nope, not a thing you're supposed to do. Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah, you sat on the third baseline.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yep, we were just up from the third base. Third
base itself. Oh something I noticed as we're sitting there,
and as you know, we had multiple picture visits during
the game. Tommy Hottovey is Bill. Yeah, he got he's
huge arms. Was like, and he always wears the like
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cut off thing with a short sleeved shirt underneath it.
And I was he was walking out there one time
and I think he was standing next to Colin Ray
and I'm like, he's only an inch or two shorter
than him, and he is dacked.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
He's got he's got some big arms. He works out.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
This is one of those, Oh, this is one of those.
He's he's a he's a coach. You know, he just
does arm day before he goes out freaking.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Andrew Vaughan Andrew, Yes, Andrew.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Homer on it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
It's out of here five three. Yeah, he got white flax.
Should have kept him. God, the Brewers are beating us
in two ways. Sa Valley, who pitched Game one of
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the White Sox Cub series, who shoved and we lost
twelve to five, started the season with the Brewers and
they put him in the bullpen, and he demanded a trade,
and they traded him for Andrew Vaughn. So not only
did he beat us that whole trade, has now beat
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us in two games.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Gross.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Heck, yes, it's just fantastic.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
All right, Well, we're gonna call it a night, but
thanks for listening to The Dinner's Podcast and we'll be
back on next week, probably for the trade deadline recap.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Talk about all the trades we made, how great the team.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Is, hopefully that we're still in first place.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Don't get super excited. There's not gonna be a lot
to talk about minimal trades.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yeah all right, well, i' a goo and watch the
rest of the Cubs game. Go Cubs, let's get a
comeback win. Uh, it would be great and Wrigley North,
so go Cubs, and thanks for listening. But
You're listening to The Dinger's Podcast, presented to you by
Test Sports Network with your host, Mitch Kevis, the great
to talk to the Cubs. All I need the Dingers
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podcast is I'm the air. I'm your host, Mitch. I'm
here with Jeff and Kevin, and it is Monday night.
We are recording as the Cubs are taking on the
Djens from upcountry the Milwaukee Brewers, and the Cubs have
a three nothing lead. So this will be this episode
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will be a little bit of like watch along, Slash,
trade talk, Jed Hoyer, extension talk, and just all that
wrapped up into this episode. So, boys, how we feeling?
How we feeling about going into this big, huge series?
This is a big week. We got trade deadline on Thursday,
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big series versus the Brewers, best two teams in baseball,
squaring off. You have Miserawski versus boy tonight. How we feeling, boys?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Feeling good?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Nauseous, sick in my stomach, hot sweats, cold sweats, finger nailed, discomfort.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Wowail, discomfort, all the things.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So take some XLX get through it. I'm feeling good.
I saw in the pre game for the game this
evening somebody sent in a tweet and I thought it
was it summed up things. Well, it feels like like
the super Bowl. It feels like that wild card NFL
game or whatever, you know, the the you have to
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win to keep going like this. These feel like big games,
and I think it's somewhere else. It was like looking
out and seeing you know, oh gosh, it's got hug Watch. Yep,
hug Watches in full effect. Just it's been since I
think somebody said twenty eighteen since I've really felt a
series that's been this important to the potential.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And this early in the season.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, it's like, yes, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
What you know, what's bad? Like I've started probably a
month ago already like checking the standings and checking scores
like every single night, and so like it's it's a
good thing. It's a good thing that we're there. At
the same time, it's like, dang, it's it's this early
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and we're already like into this, checking the scores every
single night. It's easy tonight because we're playing the team
that we need to beat, that are right behind us.
Walking Brewers went on a hot stretch there before the
All Star break and after the All Star Break. Took
three from the Dodgers, and I've been playing good baseball there.
They have exciting young picture pitching tonight. Miserawski comes put
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up three in the first inning, got his pitch count up.
Brewers are kind of knocking at the door now, just
push to run across. Got two on second third with
one out. Boyd has looked off tonight. Uh, missing location.
Start off the game with two walks, got bailed out
by a great double play by Shaw and then another
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amazing play right after that by Shaw. Just hasn't looked sharp.
And this is a little concern because you're just coming
off of and I mean in Monaga start where he
didn't look sharp as well against the White Sox, and
he they are your two best pitchers. They need to
carry you. So even gets you where when we get
to trade talk and we're looking at starting pitching, that
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makes it even that more important to get a start pitching.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Uh, nice Scott. Nice.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Big thing that happened today, Big news is Jed Hoyer
signed an extension. What does that do for this week
in the trade deadline? What do you think it plays
a big part? Like why they announced it now rather
than next week or the following week. Why do you
think it's so important that they made this deal happen
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now on a Monday before Thursday's trade deadline? Why do
you think Kevin.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
So For me? I was I was thinking about it
a couple of weeks ago when the trade chatter started
to kind of ramp up, and I was just in
my head, going, you know, if if Hoyer is a
lame duck president, like he could do nothing and walk
out of the building. Yeah, and he could do a
ton of things that are not great for the organization
to walk out or he you know, he could play
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it well, but but he's got there's very little for
him riding on this trade deadline, and now that he's
locked in for I can never see how many more.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You set an extension. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, I just did like multi year extension. But regardless,
coming into it, I feel a lot better knowing that
he's going to be here because he's then it makes
me feel like Ricketts and him have an agreement, They
have a plan, and if that plan is Hoyer's, hopefully
it's a good one, and then he can actually enact
some trades. It reminds me a little bit of the
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twenty sixteen season, or really the twenty fifteen ish season,
there's just kind of this moment where it felt like, oh,
not only are we going this year, they see something
behind this and they're gonna build even better for next
year as well. I feel very comfortable with it.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
That's where it makes me even more comfortable that I think, yeah,
like Russell says, he has more skin in the game
and the success now of wanting to win in the future. Now,
if you were Jed Hoyer and you wanted to go
out and win, you would have sold the farm trying
to win this year, knowing that like well, Kyle Tucker
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might not be there. Now, you have more skin in
the game because you're like, okay, I need to trade.
And so that that means when I know when they're
gonna make a trade for a starting pitcher and they're
not gonna get a rental, they're gonna get somebody that's
cost controlled for the next couple of years, Which that
makes me lean more towards the Mackenzie Gore, the Edward
Cabrera type guys when they when they're looking at those
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type of deals, and it makes me like think maybe
the Suarez deal for third isn't gonna happen. I don't know,
but like, I like that the deal is done. I
like that the deal is announced early, and so that
even people that are getting traded and coming here now
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know what to expect out of the Cups. They know,
even Cayle Tucker doing it this early now, if they're
gonna have any talks with him, they know he's gonna
be here for a while, like he's coming back, and
jenn Hoeyer is gonna be here for the next like
three years or four years whatever. If I sign, at
least I know his vision rather than they're gonna have
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a new baseball president of Baseball operations here in the
next couple of days, like next year, and I have
to try to sign with them and not really know
their vision. So I think it's a good thing. But man,
I'm excited for what's to come. And as the Brewers
just tie it up three to three here and the
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third with one out, still.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You're a little bit ahead of me.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Manage, Yeah, like a void. Anyway, let's talk some trades. Obviously,
the Cubs need starting pitching. They have had very little
production out of base this year. The relief pictures. They
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could add a couple of them, what do you think
and maybe a name out there that you're like, Okay,
this is the this is who I think they're gonna
go get. I mentioned a couple Jeff who's like a
guy that like, Okay, they're gonna go get this guy.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I have no clue. I am reading these articles and
the speculation stuff, and I just feel like they're not
gonna do shit.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I honestly really do little negativity from the Jeffy pool.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, well, you know what they've let me down in
the past and protecting and history repeats itself.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Are you are you worried about getting your heart too
into this? And then you might get a I am.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
They drugged me back in this year with a fantastic
play in the first half, got me all excited again.
And then here we are three and a third days
before the trade deadline, and I haven't really heard anything
about they're talking to this person's agent. They're talking that.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I like when you don't hear it. I like when
you don't hear it, because I like, I think Jed
works better when he's like behind closed doors. When you're
not hearing anything, it's when you hear a whole bunch
of junk is when it gets what makes me mad.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
That's what I was three. That's what I was thinking,
the same thing, Mitch, because like, I don't think we
heard a lot about the Kyle Tucker trade before it
kind of went down. We didn't hear much about signing
Shoda until it went down. That kind of seems to
be his mo o, which I which I'm okay with.
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For me, what's funny is I was originally thinking, like
Seth Lugo as he just yeah, and then he just
signs an extension today, and so that kind of threw
me for a little. And really, McKenzie Gore or Joe Ryan
kind of names that kind of pop bubble to the
top for me. But I don't know that that's I
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don't know that Joe Ryan's splashy enough.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I I like the McKenzie Gore. I think the McKenzie
Gore is gonna cost you Owen Casey, Treanto's maybe Wiggins.
I'm one that I don't want to see the Cubs
give up Owen Casey, Like it's hard for me, Like
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it's hard for me to see Kyle Tucker and see
that if he leaves own, Casey can fill that gap.
And the way Cal Tucker has been playing the last
two months, Owen Casey is not gonna be that much
of a drop off like I gonna be. Like Owen
Casey has been playing some good ball hitting, he strikes
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out a little bit more, but like fills that gap
really quickly. And like I was trying to explain this
to like my daughter, it's like, hey, Like she just
remembers the Cubs trades from when they trade Bryant Schwarmer
and they are trade Bryant and Biaz and Rizzls. She
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remembers that trade deadline and so she's now twelve, gonna
be thirteen, but she still remembers that. She like, I
hate trades. It just seems weird that we're trading players.
She doesn't get it. But explain the fact that, like, Okay,
here we are. We can make our team better and
try to win a championship this year at the cost
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of maybe future success. Would you do that knowing that
you have a player like Kyle Tucker that is only
there for one season and then you have to try
to sign him back, and it just so happens the
best player that you have that's a prospect. Isn't that
same position of Kyle Tucker? What would you do? And
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she's like, well, the Cubs haven't won a World Series,
They've only won one in the last one hundred years.
Why don't you go for it. I'm like, see, that's
where it's tough. Like I'm one that I want to
go for I want to win a World Series, right,
but I also love watching good baseball for one sixty
two the years that it's really hard to watch one
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hundred and sixty two games of baseball, those are tough years,
the last four and so.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Like, I totally agree with you, Mitch, and I'm I
would be worried about selling off the farm to the
point where we sell away those positions at you know what,
a year or two ago, we had so many outfield
prospects that potentially could have filled in. And I mean
even right now, Owen Casey in a different year would
be up with the big leagues playing with how he's
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playing it at shooting.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
He could come up and take cap spot and do
better right now.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I was actually just thinking about that too. And and
Happ's got a couple of years if I remember, right,
on his contract. He's not like super long.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
What they need is is Kevin al Contra to go
off this week in the minors.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
They need that would be fantastic.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
And sell himself. So like for me, like I don't
want to see Owen case he go. I want to
build a package and I don't really want Wiggins is
a great prospect pitcher, Like I don't want to see
him go either. It's tough. It's it's always tough because
they are what they are. They're prospects. They haven't liven
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anything in the major leagues yet, and what we're getting
on these trades is proven major league product.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, but they might be proven, but they still gotta play.
What we're gonna do is we're gonna sell some pieces
off and they're gonna come back and play his years,
you know, next year, the year after or sometimes and
to beat our asses.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
And it's going to piss you off. Oh that's right,
you're not You're not wrong. I mean that happens with
with pretty much every trade, except for weirdly the trade
or that when we got Pca that one seems to
have worked out. But yeah, I mean you're gonna have
things like that. I mean, look at is it Cam
Smith playing for Houston right now. He's playing well, He's
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had up and downs, but he's also a rookie, you know,
he's young. So like overall, where I'm looking, I would
love to see us get a couple more pitchers. You
can never have enough starting pitching for the long haul,
especially with Horton and Boyd up high on their innings counts,
you know, blowing past what they've done in the past.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
See, I'm with you, I with you. I want to
get one top tier guy, like get Edward Cabrera or
Mackenzie Gore, and then go get an Adrian Houser from
the White Sox as the second tier guy, and then
get one relief guy. And I would if I did
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those three moves, I'm gonna let uh swore as go
right now. If I only signed one starting pitcher, Let's
say I get Edward Cabera, and I get a relief
picture of the guy from the Orioles, the what's his
name Selender or something like that I can't remember. Good,
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then I would go get Suarez. And here's what I
would do. He's not to replace Matt Shaw because Matt
Shaw's Betton like like Scott said, or forty four since
All Star Break making amazing plays on defense. You know
what I would do. I would put Sure as a
ditch and platoon Sea and half in left field.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yep, I I kind of love that idea, especially both.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Because you're gonna need You're gonna need more offense.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yes, we've really cooled off as of late on the
offensive end of the I mean, and our relief pitching
is scot awful to.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Hm, so that that's my way.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, I completely agree, and I I yeah, I want
to be positive. Matt Shaw has has shown that he
can he can handle it. He's made these adjustments over
the season each time the league is adjusted to him,
he's been able to figure it out. On top of adding,
I mean, he's just pulling the ball so well up
in the air, especially at Wrigley, I wonder I didn't
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get it done. Yeah, Joe Ryan and it.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Was Juan yet. I mean, that would be that would
take a lot to get both those.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Scott, he said, trade the farm, go get.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Him at That's gonna take a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Shit this up to seventy eight pitches, seventy nine pitches.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Blow him up for the rest of the season.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
M hm, I can't how well that first inning went.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, well we didn't really tattoo the ball. It was
a couple of airs and yeah, a lot of walks.
My thing is, he's this Missowski is gonna be a
de gram. I'm just gonna call it. I give him
like one or two good years and then he is gonna.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Have abow pain, shoulder tightness, yep, fingernail dis comfort, blisters.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Blow a hammy.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Before this at bat from Nico Horner, his last two
at bats, he had seen you know what pitches he
had seen.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
He saw ten in the first one.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yes, the last two at bats, Yeah, you had twenty
six pitches he saw in two at last.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Holy s. He's been on fire with those types of
a bats lately. And that one was it just yesterday
where he had the super long one and he and
he was like a sixteen Yeah, oh yeah he is.
He has looked great.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Save. It's not the back, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
It's not the back of the man. It's not the.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Thing with this series versus the Brewers. Looking forward, the
Cubs need need this game, they need the Matthew Boyd
game because you're gonna be fake. Oh he's out because
you're gonna be facing Peralta, the best, the best three
pitchers from the Brewers. You're gonna be facing. You need
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this game verse with Boyd your best picture right now.
Ow pitching have to saving the bullpen. Who else they
got nobody? So this this series is tough for me because,
like I want to take you need at least one
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we all three would be amazing. You're you have a
four game series with them coming up at Wrigley like
a week and a half, two weeks, like.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Ye an, you want to make a statement before the
trade deadline, you don't get two or three, go into
the deadline and then we're gonna we're gonna they're gonna
come down to Chicago and we're gonna have a different
looking starting rotation and we can take it to him.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Then, okay, okay, out of out of let's say Joe Ryan,
Edward Cabrera and Mackenzie Gore. Who do you want.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
We're gonna go look up m McK gore's stance.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So the thing with Mackenzie Gore, he will be absolutely filthy,
strike out like nine and give up one run and
six innings, and you'll do that for three or four starts,
and then he is prone to have a clunker where
he will give up like seven runs and walk like sixty.
(20:23):
He has elite stuff, elite stuff. He will get it.
He will walk some guys, but he has a high
strikeout uh where when you look at Joe Ryan, he's
just gonna be pretty professional. Edward Cabrera, I would say,
Edward Cabrera out of stuff. He has the best stuff
out of all of them.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
What for some reason to me, I don't know that
I want to get another lefty starter. We seem to
have a lot of them, But I don't know that
that's actually true. If that's just my perception and or a.
I don't know that that matters actually as much as
I'm thinking, but that that was kind of that was
(21:08):
what I was thinking. I don't I don't remember which
side of Yeah, Joe Ryan throws right.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
And then Cabrera Carreras already.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah, yeah, and Marlins.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Also spake samuelle contra to for the Marlins, that's what. Yeah.
Maybe he's just come back from Tommy John surgery this year.
He's had kind of up and down, kind of took
it a little while to get back into swinging things.
He's pitched well the last couple of starts.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, and and then he came out and what did
he say the other day? He's already packed his bags.
He knows he's leaving. Oh gosh, Well, Edward Cabrera is
only twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yes, twenty seven, and he's cost control for the next
three years.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Oh three years. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm using Baseball Reference,
which is not my usual go to, and I'm like,
where is that?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
That's where, Like, both both Mackenzie Gore and Edward Cooper
are both ones that I would want to get rather
than uh, the guy you just can't get.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
For this year, either of those guys walkers like myself
that have no soul.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
No, Well, that's.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Why I don't want to That's why I don't want
to get wrong rid of own Casey. Yeah, we're getting
a lot of ginger on this team, and it's really
starting to show.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Well, if they traded on Casey and James Treantos, that's
a lot of ginger right there too.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
That's like firetruck red hair.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Well, that's what maybe Jed Will pitched to them, like, hey,
you can only handle one ginger in this trade. Two
would be too much you You wouldn't be able to
handle it.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Ye, Marty Peter kind of keep the locker room from
blowing up.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Do you think if we lose this game that Jediri
has a deal in place and just to build morale
so the cub switter doesn't blow up, that he announts
the trade right after if we lose.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Well, we've been watching what's been taken and transpiring the
last few series where we have a picture that pitches
pretty poorly. We kind of lose a lop sided game,
we come back, we win the next couple, one of
them by the skin of our teeth. So, I mean,
it's been playing out for a while, so he's got
to have something going, something cooking to get us at
(23:58):
least a starter.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I would things, I would hope. So it's good timing
for it, because unfortunately, an aspect of the of the
MLB trade deadline is it all comes down to the
last day, last couple of hours even, and it's a
whole game of who's going to be the first player
to drop and then all these other players go. I mean,
(24:20):
just like free agency.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
I want to know if Scott c from Iowa has
multiple TVs on or if he's getting like all the
alerts to his phone because apparently Suarez was just hit
on the hand and left the game.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Oh oh, do.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
It all right, Jed, Jed doesn't look good? All pictures?
Go get an extra relief pictures just just in case.
And by extra I mean like two, like.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Two get two starters. I would say, let's talk a
little bit about this CBS offense because you have coming
out of the break, you have Nico swinging the bat,
you have Matt Shaw swinging the bat really well, but
you're still not getting production from Dansby Swanson, from Ian
(25:12):
happ Uh Saya, Suzuki's really struggled coming out of the
All Star break. And then Kyle Tucker. I still don't
think he's had a home run in July. No, yeah,
So like we need three two of those guys to
start going there we go, Hey, Cheerio is on like
(25:36):
a twenty game hit streak and we've just walked him twice.
So if we just keep walking him, then he loses
that hit streak. I like it.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I like it, Let's do it. I can't head at
the beginning of a series, and that just.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Is gonna result in two runs being scored right here.
When this guy hits it.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Over the are so negative?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Jeff, hoop up, pop up? Can we get out? Then?
See there we go and we're hit. We're gonna stop
that twenty game history. All right, let's get back to
all we're talking about, like the offense, what what what
do we need to get some of these guys going?
We have four or five guys.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
There's struggle Boston yesterday during the broadcast, they threw up
a stat I think it was the second ending because
that's when the would we just play White Sox the
White Sox because they had done that opener and they're
bringing their starter in, but their starter was facing our
seven eight nine, and they were showing the stats of
(26:43):
our seven eight nine versus the rest of the league's
seven eight nine, and it was like first in batting
average first, and slugging first and non base first, like
all these different stats. And I'm sitting there thinking, going, unfortunately,
the three in front of them are the part of
the lineup that's struggling. So I don't know if it's
a we need to just kind of council needs to
(27:03):
just take take a bag with all their names in it,
just start pulling them out randomly and just shove them
into a lineup for a day or two. My guess
is is some folks need to move around. I mean,
Saya looked ugly the other day, lots of strikeouts looking
and he's.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
I don't like Michael Bush at lead off, Yeah, I
don't like. I mean, but ian half has struggled so
much that he's kind of been pushed out of there.
I would like Nico Horner back there just because there's
nobody else. But oh, I don't know what I thinks.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
This isn't he platuning Bush and Horner depending on who's like.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
The there's a lefty. If it's a lefty, then it's.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I think his hands are kind of hog tied at
the moment until somebody starts hitting the damn it.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
That was a commercial, got him, get it?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
That's I don't know, if it's a thing of do
you think they could go They could go back to
p C A at the start of the lineup against
right e's and go Nico against lefties and move Bush
back a little.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Bit like not red hot, yeah, after the whole.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Or just leave give give Nico the reins.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I want that. I we need need need cal Tucker
to get going. M hm, he needs to get going.
He needs to find his slugstroke, like we just we
need it, like he we got him for this reason
to like when the lineup is struggling, that he was
(28:48):
the most consistent guy that can like kind of break
us out of that or be the most consistent in
him going through this stretch of not providing any power
and not really hitting the ball. Yeah, it's cause where
we lose two or three from the Royals, where we
struggle with the White Sox, so like it has to
(29:13):
be better. It has to be better, especially out of him.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And I hope he's not like hurt and like working
through something, especially with Casey down at Iowa hitting so well,
Like if he's hurt, give him, give him ten days
and let him get right and pull up Casey and
let's see how that looks for a little while. Because
worst I don't know, not necessarily worst case scenario, but
(29:37):
a scenario could be that Casey stays up and somebody
else like happens, say I get a little time off
to get their heads right too, because all three of
them have just been not great and Dansby's been so
up and down all season two, you don't know what
you're getting out of him. And he seemed Dansby seems
to be the guy who, when everybody is batting well,
(29:59):
said only he starts batting well, But when some people
start batting poorly, he starts batting poorly.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Scott from Alice side that Michael Boyd or Matthew Boyd
to Michael Boyd, Michael Bush is up to bat. Matthew
Boyd Uh wasn't hisself tonight, but he did get his
thousandth strikeout of his career tonight. So congrats to Matthew Boyd.
There as Michael Bush just gets a basis here in
(30:26):
the fifth. It is in the fifth inning, Cubs are
still are down four to three, one out in the fifth,
Brewers have gone to their pen, brought in a crafty
lefty made uh Matt Shaw looks silly in his bat,
(30:48):
but I'm still one that that we need to get cal.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Pucker going mm hm.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
And he needs just one home run, I think if
one home run and here as als Kyle Tucker pops
out follow territory third base, Come on, Kyle Tucker, let
him walk. Who cares, don't spend the money keep on
in Casey.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
That's where I think if he doesn't turn it on
and and finish the season strong like that, I don't
I if people are still clamoring after call, you know,
signing him, like you didn't pay attention to the season.
But I could see a situation where he struggles for
another little while and then suddenly turns it on and
we get like a half in August, in a September,
and then everybody's wanting him again, and it's one of
(31:35):
those like do you not remember the month and a
half in the middle that was making.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Well, that's where you need either Tucker or say uh,
because they're both going to a little funk right now.
You need your two three guys two three four. If
PCA behind him is struggling, you need your two three
four guys to get going. And when they're all struggling,
your your lineup isn't going to function properly and put
up runs like it did in the first half. You
(32:05):
can't rely on your your your bottom half of your
order to carry you for very much longer. They might
carry you a game, they can't carry you a stretch.
And so that's where.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Last eight weeks to the season, no way.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, And so it's like, yeah, they're going through a
little bit since the All Star break, want to ten games.
We're in a tent tenth game since all Star break.
Like that is, that is a very small sample size,
and you take a little bit of a break breather.
But they better start turning around here soon, because that's
(32:40):
like half a month. And when you're a half a
month of games, where's lucky that we've been playing the
Royals and the White Sox.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Right, we got like the third easiest schedule the rest
of the way we do.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Yeah, yeah, after the Brewer, we have the Orioles, Orioles,
Cincinnati Cardinals, Blue Jays Pirates, and then the Brewers come
to town.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh my god. Which as easy as the overall schedule
is that the Jays and the Orioles are, they're not
going to be uh, they're not going to be easy
games either, you.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Know, Yeph.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Come by, Yeah, come on, come on, come on.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Was that his first pitch, mitch or second? Uh?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
First pitch? Okay?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, I think Jeff and I are just a smidge
behind you, to be honest, I think you got.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
A fastball right down the middle of a hundred.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
He uh oh. I think some of these guys are
like suppressing too much.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Mm hmm. It's an interesting combination of some people are
pressing too much, and I think Saya is sitting back
too much.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yes, because it works best when he's aggressive, When he's
aggressive at the first pitch.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yep, yep. But he has lately just been kind of
watching and not being super aggressive, and teams have noticed
they're throwing him, they're grooving him. First pitch strikes down
the middle. He's not swinging at him.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Pa got jammed and missed it.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
So I was at the Friendly Confines last Wednesday, first
time took the fam That is a beautiful, beautiful place.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
First time in your life, right.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
First time in my life. Yep, that I'd ever.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Been on Wednesday, the game that they lost.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yes, I saw Colin Ray and that when we were
just talking about, you know, we seem to have two
good starts and then a clunker. That was the clunker. Also,
Colin Ray is ridiculously tall, Like I did not realize
how tall he is. I saw him walking into the
stadium that morning and I was like, holy.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Smokes, girling by the players parking lot.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
So that was a funny thing. When you're up by
Gallagher Way where the players come in, there's a covered
lot and it has security around it, and there's a
bunch of kids wanting autographs and what not. But there's
also the outdoor restroom, the restroom you can get to
outside the stadiums right there. So I was going to
the bathroom and while I'm walking over that way, I
see Dan Sby Swanson and Ian Happ walking towards me.
(35:30):
I was like what, And then I saw these kind
of pickets and these blocks and some serious security guy
guard folks, and then a couple of like clearly you
could tell dads who had kids across the street that
were closer to the players that could get their autographs
when they came out. And they were like, oh, yeah,
there comes these two. And then I think they said
the only ones left that they hadn't seen yet were
(35:52):
like Tucker, Kelly, Colin Ray, and there was a fourth person.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Tucker should be the first one at the ballpark. He's
going through extra.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
He was out that game.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
That game.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah, you work through it.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, that was Unfortunately they didn't let us in early
enough to see BP because it was during the during
the week, they only let you in ninety minutes early,
and I guess by the time we got in there
they were done and doing VP. But beautiful place, beautiful
place we're in. That was the heat advisory day. It
was like one hundred and seven at the ballpark, but
we were in the shade. We had an overhang over us.
(36:37):
My youngest slept through a couple of innings because he
got hot, and then he got tired, and then he
took a nap, and then we got an ice cream
and he was ready to go for innings five through nine. Unfortunately,
there wasn't a lot to see except for some garbage
time home runs. My middle was very excited about PCA
hitting a home run and then Shaw hit one two,
so he was he enjoyed that. But that's a beautiful place.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Who else was.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
It was me and my wife and my two of
my kids.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Well, no, I said, any who else was at the game?
We all remember Nakayla that used to work out with
as a five.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yes, she was at the game. Really, yeah, that's awesome.
Something I never knew or I didn't think about. You
have to have a bleacher ticket to even get back
behind the bleachers because I was doing like a lap
around the whole stadium, just taking it all in, and
they stop you when you get back there, and I
was like, oh crap. I was gonna like sneak up
(37:32):
and like just like what's the view look like out here?
But Nope, not a thing you're supposed to do. Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah, you sat on the third baseline.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yep, we were just up from the third base. Third
base itself. Oh something I noticed as we're sitting there,
and as you know, we had multiple picture visits during
the game. Tommy Hottovey is Bill. Yeah, he got he's
huge arms. Was like, and he always wears the like
(38:05):
cut off thing with a short sleeved shirt underneath it.
And I was he was walking out there one time
and I think he was standing next to Colin Ray
and I'm like, he's only an inch or two shorter
than him, and he is dacked.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
He's got he's got some big arms. He works out.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
This is one of those, Oh, this is one of those.
He's he's a he's a coach. You know, he just
does arm day before he goes out freaking.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Andrew Vaughan Andrew, Yes, Andrew.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Homer on it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
It's out of here five three. Yeah, he got white flax.
Should have kept him. God, the Brewers are beating us
in two ways. Sa Valley, who pitched Game one of
(39:00):
the White Sox Cub series, who shoved and we lost
twelve to five, started the season with the Brewers and
they put him in the bullpen, and he demanded a trade,
and they traded him for Andrew Vaughn. So not only
did he beat us that whole trade, has now beat
(39:22):
us in two games.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Gross.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Heck, yes, it's just fantastic.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
All right, Well, we're gonna call it a night, but
thanks for listening to The Dinner's Podcast and we'll be
back on next week, probably for the trade deadline recap.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Talk about all the trades we made, how great the team.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Is, hopefully that we're still in first place.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Don't get super excited. There's not gonna be a lot
to talk about minimal trades.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yeah all right, well, i' a goo and watch the
rest of the Cubs game. Go Cubs, let's get a
comeback win. Uh, it would be great and Wrigley North,
so go Cubs, and thanks for listening. But
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