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that means we're starting to hit the home stretch before
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dusted draft at the end of this month, and in
accordance with that, I'm starting to hit the home stretch
of our own here on this show. The past several weeks,
even in the past month or so, has been kind

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of setting the table for what the roster looks like
this year, what it it'll look like going forward, positional
archetypes the Bills look for, and then juxtaposing that and
putting that into conjunction with their current needs, what that
looks like, how to maximize value in this draft class,
tying it all together with free agency, so on and
so forth. But the dust has settled a little bit
on free agency now we are fully shifting into draft mode.

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And with that being said, tonight's episode kicks off the
next several weeks of episodes where we will be diving
into specific position groups. On each of these shows, the
biggest positions of need for the Bills. Talking about the
prospects that fit these needs the best where they can
be had, full evaluations, rankings, player commerce, station value, fit, scheme, structure,

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all that kind of stuff in full deep dive of
x's and os and evaluation to kind of put things
into perspective before the Bills officially draft who they draft
at the end of this month. And this episode, as
I hope you would have guessed by the title and
the pieces in the description, will focus around the edge
position and the edge class. And with that being said,

(03:23):
I am joined by my guest in this episode to
dive into the twenty twenty five edge grouping that is
mister James Foster, NFL and draft analyst of the thirty
third team. James, I think this is your four of
appearance on the show. I think somewhere around there. I
can't remember officially, but you're awesome. I appreciate you taking
the time to join me. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Thanks for having me. Always a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
So we'll get into it from a high level perspective
and then dive into the meat of all of it
when it comes to prospects, rounds, all that kind of stuff.
High level thoughts on this twenty twenty five edge class
where you think the ranks are or you know, certain
value pieces that you like, anything and everything. From a
high level, what you think about this twenty twenty five
edge class.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
I think it's a very strong, you know, compared to
last year, Like I had ten Day one or Day
two grades on edge rush edge rushers. This year I
have sixteen, and you know, I think it's I think
it's probably pretty similar to last year as far as
top and talent. But where this class is really deep

(04:32):
is like late second to third round. There's just there's
so many guys that I think could either be like
potential edge ones or I feel really good about them
being an edge two, and that's gonna be kind of
that that you know, early third round grade.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
So yeah, it's it's a good year to need an edge.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
But you know, unfortunately, if you do need an edge,
that you could say the exact same thing for pretty
much every in the NFL. So I don't necessarily think
you're going to be able to get like insane value
because every team is going to go into this draft
thinking like, oh, well, why don't we take an edge
in the second round.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah that's fair, and you know it for those who
don't know, you know, our thoughts and analysis here are
always kind of to keep it organic. I don't know
what James is going to say, James is knowing I'm
going to say, but I'm in lockstep with you on
where the value is for this grouping I feel like,
and that's also I think, what's funny but also kind
of I guess you could play either side of it,

(05:33):
But I feel like what's kind of annoying with like
the Bills draft picks in this class, like where they
are and you know they're pick thirty in round one,
two second rounders, no third, and then just a whole
bunch of day threes. And I feel like, especially with EDGE,
there's so much value starting in like the middle of
round two through like the middle of round four. But

(05:53):
I feel like the Bills are in this weird spot
for EDGE where you have to hope that you know,
someone falls to you at thirty, or hope someone falls
at fifty six or sixty two in round two, or
you're potentially reaching for someone maybe at the end of
round two because you're not going to pick again until

(06:15):
pick one oh nine, and then play that game and
hope that there's still someone there in round four, which
technically they could do given how their edge grouping is
built out right now, but it's yeah, I feel like
edge is this weird. It kind of puts them in
this like Bermuda triangle or no man's land positioning because
you know, depending again, it's all depending on who's there.
But maybe reaching for somebody at the end of round two,

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or you're trying to play that waiting game and hope
you're you know, crush your fingers and hope somebody's there
in round four, or maybe try to package some of
their stuff in round three or from day three and
move up and get a third round or something like that.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Yeah, would definitely I think makes a lot of sense
to try to trade one of those second round picks
back into the third because I agree with you as
far as where the value kind of is.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, And it's an interesting and a lot of usefulness.
I think there's some fun skill sets and traits throughout again,
like really through the first through the first two days,
early into round three. A lot of usefulness, some schematic
versatility and variety. But you know, some dudes who tested well,
some guys with some really good tape with that being said, James,

(07:20):
let's dive right into it all right. We'll start with
round one, and for those who don't you know know,
or who are live joining us live and playing at home,
James and I are going to go through edge targets
for round one, for round two, and then day three
talk about it from a broad scale. Obviously, there's a
ton of picks for the bills on day three and
also more rounds, so that's kind of how we're gonna

(07:40):
break it down. For those of you watching live, or
if you're not watching live, that's fine too. Feel free
to play along with us. Who do you want in
each of these rounds? Who are you targeting? Why are
you targeting them? What do you think of our targets?
Do you hate our targets, do you hate us? Whatever's
on your mind, feel free put it in the chat.
Let us know. Super chats obviously get prior, aready because
I respect the monetary donation and the color attracts me

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away from my notes like a cat with a laser pointer.
So again, anybody joining us live, chat it up, talk
it up, engagement, let us know your thoughts, questions, comments, concerns,
anything and everything. James, you are the guests. The floor
is yours when it comes to the bills. Pick thirty
in round one right now, if they are looking at
edge at that position, who or whom? If it's multiple guys,

(08:27):
I don't even know if that's right. Do you think
should be targeted by them? At pick thirty in round one?

Speaker 5 (08:32):
So I have I have eight edge rushers in my
top thirty, but Abdul Carter is number two on my board.
The other seven are all between sixteen and twenty seven.
Oh wow, there's like a huge logjam.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
And I've actually got sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, and twenty
on my board that are all edge. So I'll just
give you them an order really quick.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
Shamar Stewart, Okay, I've got Mike Green at edge three,
Mikeel Williams Edge four, Donovan Izaaku, Jalen Walker, James Pierce,
and then at twenty seven overall, I've got Brayden Swinson
out of LSU. So you know, there's it's a lot

(09:17):
of different like almost players that kind of play different positions,
you know, but a lot of different styles.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
You know.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
I think that Shamar Stewart and MIKEL Williams, it's pretty
fair to expect them to be off the board for
the bills. The same thing I think could be said
for Jalen Walker, who's probably gonna go a lot earlier
than I would be comfortable.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Taking him, and so realistic options.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
You know, if if Mike Green falls based on the
off field stuff, you know, it would have to depend
on whether or not they were comfortable with that.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
But I think that.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
Just as a pass rusher, I think he's one of
the He has like one of the best pass rushing
play and like counter strategies in this class. The way
that he gets into counter moves is just seamless and
you know, able to string moves together so effectively. So
I really like what he brings on the field. Donovanizeraku

(10:16):
has been one of my favorite players, like since that
Florida State game really early in the year, maybe like
week two he was he popped off the screen and
I've been following him ever since and like just love
so much about his game.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's just and like I've got him a lot.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Higher than consensus. I've got him nineteenth on my board.
It's just like what concerns me about him is we've
seen players like him that just have kind of a
capped ceiling in the NFL because he isn't that explosive
and he pretty much never wins with power. And you know,

(10:54):
he's a great speed rusher, really good bend, long arms,
good hand used to but I think he might kind
of be limited to like a complementary sort of role.
You know, James Pierce is a really interesting player because
he doesn't fit into a lot of like prototypes or

(11:17):
kind of categories or boxes that you want to put
him in. It's like a weird blend of strengths and weaknesses.
Where he's he's really explosive in a straight line. He's
he's tall, but he has shorter arms, he doesn't really
bend that effectively. There are flashes where he's he's really

(11:39):
good with his hands, but I think he struggles to like, uh,
really like break contact when when blockers put their hands
on him and and kind of sustain his rush effort.
And then you'd expect him to kind of be soft
against the run, but he was actually really had like
a sturdy anchor this year and plays with a good motor.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
So kind of ye just a weird.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
Blend of skills and somebody that also there's kind of
some noise like off the field with him and being
like having gone to Tennessee, I can I can verify
some of that, like I heard stuff like way before,
like way early in the season. So yeah, definitely an

(12:22):
interesting character for sure. And then Braden Swinson, I love
He's he just kind of does everything at like a
B plus level. He can win with power, good explosiveness.
Not the best bend, but you know, good enough with
his hands and explosive off the ball enough to where
he can he can win as a speed rusher, and
then gives you some inside counters as well.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
So I think, you know somebody who led.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
The SEC and pressures tested pretty well and has has
such a layered and multifaceted skill set. Those kind of
guys don't last long in the draft. And you know,
having him, how about him as a top thirty two players.
Definitely a lot higher than most people have them. But

(13:05):
I mean he's like eighty first on the consensus board,
and to me, there's no way he gets that far.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, he's got an interesting The first thing that I
let me pull up my I switched out of it.
The first thing that I have in my notes for
in my valuation for Swinston is I wrote, I wrote
some of everything, size, length, ben dip athleticism, hand usage, juice, speed,
some speed to power, some push pull. I wrote that
he's caught, He's caught in between, not necessarily in a

(13:33):
bad way, but yeah, I feel like everything from a
measurable standpoint, from a play style standpoint, like you could
make the case that he's like a six to like
a seven point five out of ten for like all
these different pieces. And I wonder, I wonder for him,
like what does a team tap into, like how do
they use him? And you know, you know, playing at
Oregon before he went to LSU. If I g his

(13:56):
skill he'll see his skill set really intriguing as a
rock is one for me as well.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Who I.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
I loved him the first time I watched him, and
I think it was the first game I watched. I
think it was the pick game where he had like
a million pressures or it was fourteen or fourteen pressures
like six stop someone godly number. And he flashes the
hands to get the right tackle to go for the punch,
and he just effortlessly dips underneath the hands, turns the corner,

(14:27):
flattens and buries the quarterback and like that type of
bend in the lower body, like and then between the
torso and the hips the fluidity, but then also like
the body control and the core strength to turn that
corner and flatten. And you watch him do that regularly
go through you know, whether he's ghosting somebody and just
beating him with speed or athleticism or fluidity, or he

(14:48):
also has some good core strength to kind of if
he can get that corner, he doesn't have to come
through clean, like he can kind of power through and
flatten and rip through that shoulder a little bit. Some
of my concerns for him just really come down to
and you talk about it a bit kind of like
the ceiling being capped, Like I wonder what he looks
like from a final like a final form perspective in

(15:09):
the NFL, Like, does he play it two point fifty?
Does somebody try to add a little more weight to
him so he can play it like two point fifty five?
And with how long his arms are, you know, thirty
four inch arms, fifth longest in this edge class. Does
somebody tried to build that frame out a little bit
and and hopefully help him? I think hold up at
the point of attack better, especially against the run against

(15:29):
NFL size and strength. I'd love for him to just
be more of a bully against tight ends. I think
adding some weight could do that as well. And then
given the frame, I think he could add some weight
without losing too much juice. And the rest of his
testing is good six point ninety four and the three
cone a four point one to nine in the shuttle
like he tests well. You see the athleticism, the pass

(15:51):
rush plan, the understanding the moves. The big thing for
me too, the hand precision, Like watching him with his
hand usage when he'll when he's disengaging from a lock
or if he's going with a cross chop. It's just
like you constantly see the hand on the wrist, Like
he's just got good such good hand eye coordination in
terms of where he uses his hands and the timing
of all of it and then timing that and tying

(16:13):
that into the fluidity and the athleticism is really nice.
He's somebody that hey, I you know you. I love
how many I just you haven't round one.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
And I also love too, like how much you stick
to your boards every year, like and you acknowledge what
the consensus is, but I feel like there's so many
people in the draft space whose evaluations or rankings mirror
or mimic what one particular person has or what the
consensus has. And year after I remember you and I
both sitting here last year gushing about how much we
love ad Mitchell and we didn't care like where everyone

(16:44):
else had and what the concerns were. So I always respect.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah, just the decision I made when I first started
doing it is like I do not care about being
right or wrong, Like obviously I would.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Love to be right.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
But if you like play it scared and worried about
like bad takes, you know, people like pulling up bad takes,
it's like it's just you're not gonna be uh, it's
not gonna be interesting analysis, and it's you're gonna have
times where you like deep down think something, but then
you like kind of uh drift towards the consensus and

(17:19):
end up regretting it. So I'm just like try to
just like fully give my analysis.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yes, and I do that, so I like lock myself
not necessarily locked, but like I avoid rankings from I
don't want to be influenced like I don't want to
know what so and so thinks about a player or
a grouping because I don't want to influence my rankings
or my board. So I like a ironically like, I
avoid as much draft analysis as I can until I'm
done with all my stuff, so I don't get influenced

(17:46):
subconsciously or consciously, right exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (17:49):
The one thing I will say every year there are
I find this, especially watching the edge rushers. You one
thing you really notice is who the best ad tackles
are in college football. Yes, like last year it was
the the UCLA left tackle, Like poor guy. Everyone had

(18:10):
their best game against him. I mean, he's like one
of the worst power for college football players I've ever seen.
You mentioned the Pittsburgh game after they lost Branson Taylor,
who will probably get drafted. He played like five games
their tackles were so bad, So I kind of like,
I almost treat Pittsburgh for edge rushers as like an

(18:33):
FCS team for evaluation purposes. Not that that's Easieraky's only
good game, but it is. I remember, like he dominated
that game. But if you watch kind of like every
acc pass rusher, you start to realize that like everybody
had their best game against Pittsburgh. The other one that

(18:53):
I would mention is Mississippi State. Every SEC pass rusher
had their best game against mississip State. So yeah, those
those are the two caveats that they're out there.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
No, that's that's a good call. It's funny too also,
seeing like because the first thing I do and always
to figure out the games. I usually like to watch
four to six games per player, and I always try
to get like like their most productive game statistically, their
least productive game statistically. And then in between that, I'm
looking for, you know, the teams that have you know, again,
if I'm looking for an SEC edge, I'm like, okay,

(19:25):
how many how many games did you go up against
Will Campbell? So I'm looking for all their games against LSU,
for example, and go for the competition. And yeah, it's
funny to see, like when you looking at certain guys,
like the ACC guys, and I'm like checking out their stats,
I'm like, Okay, so and so had a good game
against pitt So and so also had a good game
against pitt And it's like, ah, you just watched that,
like continue or if I noticed something like I have

(19:45):
to make it, Oh who was it last year, and
there was one this year too, like a starter. Oh oh,
it's just gonna drive me nuts. It was an edge
rusher earlier, and I don't want to waste too much
time trying to find it, but somebody the the the
right tackle, like his elbow got jammed into him early
because the running back tried to chip and it caused
some arc awkwardness, and then the right tackle went out

(20:07):
and then this dude just feasted and I was like, okay,
this is a game. But also always against the backup
right tackle, like even those nuggets of like it just
matters so much. But yeah, as a rocket was one
that I find interesting from a pass rust perspective, and
especially for like a Bills fit, Like I don't you know,
they don't need him to do so much rundown work
right now, given how their edge grouping is constructed. I

(20:27):
feel like he can be more of a mercenary and
a hunter on pass rush downs and situations. I wouldn't
mind the pick there if he's the pick at thirty again,
just the fluidity and the length and how it all
ties together. But he is somewhat of a non archetypal
fit for them. He has the requisite length, but they

(20:48):
love speed to power compression guys, guys who will just
run through you and if you can dip a little,
that might be fun. But traditionally they haven't gone towards that.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
So he's also kind of redundant, Like he's a better player,
but kind of redundant.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
With Javon, Solomon is like the shorter guy with long arms.
He's like really bendy.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Yeah, And I wonder, like, what do they think of Solomon?
Do they see him as like an upgrade to that?
Do they think it's redundant? Do they not care? And
so that's where I see like and necessarily not being
a fit the one that I think is like their
dream fit if someone were to fall. And also, even
even though I've kind of I'm going to talk out
of both sides of my mouth, I think this would
be a great fit for the Bills, And what I'm

(21:27):
about to say, I think this guy would be a
great fit for the Bills and a pick that I
would welcome. I also think it's a player that the
Bills would a thousand percent welcome. But it is a
type of archetype and skill set that I have wanted
them to gravitate away from if mikel Williams somehow falls,
he is their dream, like the size, the length, the power,

(21:50):
the compression he is. I don't want to say he's
like A. I don't. I don't like. I don't. I
hate doing comps because then people get the wrong idea.
But like him and Greg Russou operate in the same
stratosphere one thousand percent like and if you have those guys,
the edge setting presence against the run, the length. I
really like how much he played through that ankle injury
that just I thought he broke his ankle against Clemson.

(22:12):
I remember watching that game live, I'm sure like so
many people were, and I was like, oh my god,
this dude's gonna be done for the whole year, and
he managed to just play through it. I think he
would see an uptick in production and just even in
terms of how he gets used if he can play
the actual edge and not have to be the four.
I like he is so much with Georgia's mid front
and what he does. I thought he is pretty good,

(22:34):
like decent to good change of direction considering his size
and his build. But he's got good eyes. What you
expect from Georgia. He's good at recognizing blocks screens, really
good at reading mesh points in the backfield. He's got
a good surf technique. He can shut down the read
option or even has the stride and the change the
direction to string it out a little bit against mobile qbs.
Good explosion in his movements, not necessarily burst, but explosion

(22:57):
from like a power perspective. When you see him get
into somebody, he moves them, and you would hope you
would get that given the fact that he's he has
six five two hundred and sixty pounds thirty four and
three eight inches arms, that's the second longest four edges
at the combine, got some ability kick inside on passing
downs and situations. He There's a lot of guys that

(23:18):
I wouldn't be upset at if they took an edge
at thirty, But MIKEL Williams is the one that I
would really be like legitimately happy about if he somehow falls.
I don't think he I don't think he will, just
given the traits and the injury and what his tape
looked like the year before. But he's one that if
he fell I would be overjoyed for.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
Yeah, I mean you mentioned the you mentioned the arm length,
like based on the tomfoolery that was going on with
whoever was measuring these people's arms, Like, he probably has
over thirty five inch arms.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
I mean, just on the eye test. I was shocked
that it was just like thirty four and three.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
You know what's funny, I did the same thing, Like
I was like, oh, wow, this is good, and I
was like, wait, really only that, Like I would have
thought it would have been even a little higher.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
Yeah, And like everybody was making so much of a
big deal about how he only ran a four to
seven seven or whatever, and then it comes out that
he had a one six one ten yard split, which
is sixty ninth percentile for all edge rushers, and he
did that at two hundred and sixty seven pounds. Like
one of the first things I wrote in my scouting

(24:26):
report was that he has tight ankles. But then it's like,
when it comes out he has an ankle injury, it's like, yeah,
that's what's gonna make sense. Yea.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
So maybe he is a little bindier than I thought
he was.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Especially when you watch him towards like the end of
the year, like by the time they played Texas in
the SEC Championship, you start to see some more of
like he can put his foot in the ground and
explode back inside. You start to see some of that
kind of juice come back to him a little bit. Again,
he's not a juice up type of player, but some
of that come back as the ankle started to get
a little healthier.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Yeah, and he's so against the run. I mean, yeah,
he's awesome against the run. I ultimately think, though, this
is kind of a pointless conversation from the Bills perspective,
because I think the NFL is a lot higher on
Michael Michael Williams than like draft Twitter. When I was
at the combine, I was talking to two different like

(25:21):
outside linebackers or defensive ends coach coaches and like asking
them how what they thought of the edge class, And
it was like Abdul Carter at one and then Shamar
Stewart at two, and like, I'm sorry, Michael Williams at two,
and like they thought the the gap between Carter and
Williams was a lot smaller than the gap between Williams

(25:43):
and everybody else. I remember, like one guy I was
talking to, he was he was giving me a spiel
on Michael Williams, and I was like, yeah, it'll be it'll.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Be hard to like really uh separate him and Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
And he looked at me like I was crazy, Like
why would you even kid consider those people in the
same conversation.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Yeah, I think the NFL loves Michael Williams from what
I've heard.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Well, I mean he had like the length and size
and then the pedigree and the explosion like he's built like.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
An NFL Yeah, like the snap in his hands when
he makes contact with someone.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yes, And for I'm very much a known quantity like
high floor type of dude when it comes to the draft,
because even I say it all the time, like, and
you know this, even though as much as someone can
be a surefire, can't miss prospect, there is always the
chance that not even like a chance, there's a good
chance that someone's not going to hit. And I just
think part of the reason, you know, Mike, Michael Williams

(26:40):
is also edge two for me, and I just think
because he represents such a good floor, like even if
he doesn't progress or hit the ceiling that you would
want as a pass rusher, all right, he can still
compress the pocket. He's still going to be a really
good like run defending edge Like you're going to get
a lot of edge too quality reps from him for
years to come, which is again that that for me, like,

(27:00):
I'm very much like, what is the known quantity if
we don't have to play any games like and worry,
like what does this guy hit his ceiling? How do
we develop? And what can he come in and do
now and hang his hat on for as long as
he can? And I just think you're going to get
that run defense production and some compression of the pocket,
which is huge, especially for the Bills. I do want
to circle back to Shamar Stewart because I feel like
so many people he lit up the combine and then

(27:24):
so many people have kind of gotten off of him
coming from the tape. He's your edge too, Like you mentioned,
what do you like about Shamar Stewart and why does
he I mean, obviously I have an inkling is towards
in terms of what you like, But how does he
end up as Edge two for you? And what are
your thoughts on him?

Speaker 5 (27:40):
Yeah, I think Shamar Stewart is just well edge is
a position I think more so than anything where I
will really just bet on the traits. Obviously, you want
a guy that has production and traits, but if you
can't get both of those, I would I would lean
tors to the athleticism.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
I think that his.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
His pass rushing production was limited by a few things.
The role that he played in Texas A and M's
defense really decreased the number of like true pass rushing
opportunities that he had. You know, when people see stuff
like pass rush win rate and pressure rate, they think
that the denominator in that calculation is all of the

(28:29):
times that you had a chance to rush the quarterback,
But it's really the amount of times that you were
on the field for a passing down. And you know,
especially in college, guys are are in these schemes where
they're being asked to defend the run over anything. And
like when you see stuff during draft season about like

(28:52):
a guy's this is the one that always kills me.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Is a guy's.

Speaker 5 (28:56):
Slow off the ball or slow off the snap. It's like, yeah,
they're they're read stepping or like they're they're reading the run.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
You know, like they they're not.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
Everybody has the not everybody plays Abdul Carter's role in
their defense where every snap they're firing off the ball
and just trying to get to the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
And so are they one gapping, are they two gaping?
Are playing games? What's their responsibility? Yeah, it ties into
so much.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
So like you could look at a game where Shamar
Stewart has twenty five pass rushing snaps and it might
be like five or six, uh true, one on one
reps throughout the entire game where he would actually have
a chance. So that's the first thing that limits him.
The second thing that limits him is that he's a

(29:44):
terrible pass rusher, Like his hands are so bad.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
He uh so many times he just like uses it.
I feel like he like leaves with his face or
his chest and then sometimes it works. So I'm like, Okay,
I guess I don't blame you, but yeah, it's so funny.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
That you see it's it's all it's so segmented and
like you can tell that. It's almost like before he
went on on the field, his his d line coach
was whispering in his ear and like, okay, two steps upfield,
chop with the hand, turn your hips, and he's like
it's like he's like counting it in his head, and
it just it never sequences together smoothly. A big thing

(30:21):
that kills him is that for as explosive and big
as he is, you'd think he'd be this dominant power rusher,
and his bull rush is actually pretty ineffective because he's
never pointing his hips towards his opponent when he when
he bull rushes, so the power just kind of dissipates.
I mean, there's there's a ton of technical stuff that

(30:41):
like he's got to clean up when he rushes the passer.
But you know, kind of similar to Michael Williams, who
like I have almost an identical grade on, I think
that what he can bring you as a run defender
does give you a bit of the floor. I think,
like really the key distinction between Michel Williams and Shamar

(31:01):
Stewart is that I think Williams is a lot more
under control and like technically sound as a run defender,
where Shamar Stewart is kind of a high effort like disruptor.
And then I think Shamar Stewart is is a much
better athlete when you project towards pass rushing, like more explosive,

(31:22):
way more flexible. But mikel Williams. I think for as
you know, unpolished as he gets made out to be,
he's actually a lot more refined with his hands. So yeah,
it's they get kind of grouped together and like they're
similar in terms of broad archetypes, but a lot of
a lot of differences there and kind of as a tiebreaker,

(31:44):
like I'm just gonna bet on the better athlete.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, it's fair, you know, I think the whole I
mean's for for years, the whole, Like I feel like
recently the whole trades over production type of deal, and
it's wild for some of Like if you're looking at
his chart for Shamar Stewart, his measurables, so ninety eighth
percentile for broad jump, ninety six percentile for vert ninetieth

(32:09):
percentile for forty yard dash, ninety first percentile for ten
yards split, seventy fifth percentile for arm length, ninety six
percentile for wingspan, sixtieth percentile for weight, eightieth percentile for height. Like,
so I get it, Like if you want to bet
on the traits and the size in that package, and
if you believe in yourself, you know, as a team
to coach him up and kind of refine the technical

(32:32):
aspects for him, you know, bet on the traits, and
I'm really interested to see where he goes and that
little nugget from you about you know what, like how
they league kind of views him. I'm very interested to see, Yeah,
does is he does he get taken in round one?
Does he slip into round two? How much is somebody
really betting on the traits versus the production versus how

(32:54):
much they think they can clean up? And then given
that he does have, you know, some snaps under his
belt in A and N is it is that someone
just hasn't gotten through to him? Does he not have
the capacity for it? I think it's a really interesting conversation,
especially with when you get a dude who just lights
up the combine like that and has these traits in
this size, this uniqueness like all within this frame. It's

(33:14):
it's super intriguing. So I get it.

Speaker 5 (33:17):
Yeah, it applies. This applies to every player, but like
especially with Shamar Stewart, he's somebody where like how his
meeting an interview went would determine so much because like
there's there's so much technical stuff that he's got to
clean up. And if you meet him and he's like

(33:38):
you know, super fired up to to get working, and
like seems like he has a great football character. I'm
willing to absolutely willing to bet on that. But if
if it's like you know, he is just gonna kind
of coast on athleticism or if that's the vibe you get,
then I would I would probably, you know, in this class,
there's there's a lot of options in his range.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
I would probably just go someone else.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, does he feel disengaged or does the lack enthusiasm?
There's so much I make I made this joke before that,
like because obviously we you know, we get the college
all twenty two and we're able to watch the tape.
I wish there was like all twenty two of the
interviews so I could see the interviews. Dude, I want
to know, so, Like that's one of my favorite. Once
teams make their picks and we get like those post

(34:22):
draft videos from teams throughout like the beginning of May,
and they show some of the meetings, Like, I wish
we had that. I know that there's no chance of it.
I wish we had that now because the meetings are
so important, like the character stuff everybody, everybody when you
get to the NFL in some semblance or fashion has
size and strength and speed and athleticism and all that.

(34:43):
The stuff that separates, you know, the math from the
good and the good from the great and the great
from the Hall of Famers is their mentality and how
they see the game and understand it and their personality
and all of those pieces. And you can't get that
from just watching the tape. You might be able to
try and put some bread crumbs together, but it's hardy know.
Does this guy turn off here? Okay, he's got a
great motor all the time. Maybe that suggests this about

(35:04):
his character, but you don't know. Yeah, And I would
kill just to, like if there was some black market
camera footage for like interviews at the Combine or Senior
Bowl or Top thirty visits like man, it would just
help us be able to round out our evaluations so
much and be able to see a guy like, oh, wow,
this guy was really smarter. Yeah, this guy's a great attitude,

(35:26):
or man, this guy's a real jerk and his tape
is like kind of met Now I'm not betting on
the traits.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
I wish we had that, so bad problem is I
probably would have raised kyri Elim's great after Like I
saw that he had the notebook.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
There, dude, he's one that and everyone here and the
chat and I I didn't like him a ton coming out.
I didn't like his tape at Florida. I thought he
was just so grabby and I was worried about how
it would translate. But again, the traits, he's a great
example the traits guy, right, the length and the size
and the athleticisn't the frame and all that, And then yeah,
you see that interview come out after and he's really

(36:03):
smart and his notebook and all the scouting he does,
and then you think about, like, well, you know, the
family that he comes from, he knows how to be
a professional. And we myself and Eric, we had him
in the film room a couple of seasons ago and
we broke down tape with him and he he had
an interception against the Dolphins in the wild Card round
earlier that year and technically earlier in that year, but

(36:26):
the previous season, and we're breaking down that play with
him and he's talking about like, okay, you know I'm
the cloud corner. The Bills were playing cover too, and
he's like, Okay, you know, I'm the cloud corner to
that side. They run a smash concept. I'm spacing him out,
but then then he gets into like I can tell
by the angle of the quarterback shoulders, he's looking to
hit the corner. So I just keep sinking and I

(36:47):
read this and he was doing that throughout the entirety
of the episode. He's one that Again I didn't like
him coming out. He wasn't in. I didn't have a
round one grade on him. I think he was in
my third tier of corners. But the traits made sense.
He seemed like a smart dude. I've spoken to him
and he's extremely smart. I don't get like how how

(37:07):
things just didn't click, but again that that happens. That's
another example of why you kind of do you go
with higher floors or known quantities, because even when you
think something should click man like, sometimes it just doesn't.
And I always that one will always perplex me, like,
not necessarily because I thought he was gonna be good,
but I was like, Okay, I could subscribe to this.
I'll always think of that. And I love Trent McDuffie

(37:29):
and he was my corner three in that draft, and
I was so mad when the Chiefs straighted up ahead
of the Bills and got mc duffy killer he was,
if I remember, because that was that was the Stingley
and Sauce draft, so it was I had Stingly one
sauce to McDuffie three, my corner four actually what or corner?

Speaker 2 (37:48):
No?

Speaker 1 (37:48):
I forget who I had his corner four corner five though,
was Roger McCreery. And I didn't care that he had
short arms. I was like, put him in man coverage
and let him play on the outside. I don't care,
and I'm so I've been very happy to see him
learn slide Like he didn't play any nickel at Auburn.
He started doing it at the Senior Bowl because he
had to. And then he's become a legitimate like slot

(38:08):
corner and take a man. They got some fun dudes
in that Tennessee secondary him and Brownlee, like I just
I like so many things. And then Jeffrey Simmons is
a monster in front car and Andre Sweat. Yeah, they
got some fun dudes at Tennessee. Which, yeah, you obviously
know all about anybody else that you want to talk
about in terms of a round one target. Do you
want to move on to a round two.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
Yeah, let's move on around two. Those are those are
kind of all the guys that I think.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Should really be in play at thirty.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Absolutely, all right, cool, let's pivot to round two. And yeah,
I echo your your sentiments here, you know, not have
to get too far ahead of myself. For app says,
was that Andrew both Junior? Yeah, I had booth as four.
I uh, I believe I did. I don't think he was.
I didn't think the injuries would continue, but they just
and not the kind of play that card or make

(38:55):
an excuse. They derailed what I thought he could have been.
I just yeah, I his tape at Clemson. He has
some great tape and he was just hurt all the time.
I should have known, especially me being a high floor
person and the injuries. Good call, Paithon, thank you very much. Yeah,
this round two conversation for edges. This is really where
I'm looking at edge for the bills and my dream

(39:16):
of dreams. The bills come out of round one. If
Mikel Williams somehow fell, I would be very very very
cool with that. I don't think that's gonna happen. My
dream scenario for Round one out of Realism plus a
Dream is Trey Amos corner from Ole Miss. I love
Trey Amos. I know some people have come around more
on him. I have a round one grade on him.

(39:36):
Some people are getting more on that bandwagon ever since
Daniel Jeremiah put him in a mock and he had
him going to the packers at twenty six. Before that,
I was on an island and people were yelling at
me for having the Bills, you know, potentially looking at
him in round one. I love Trey Amos. I would
love for Johnny Baron to fall. He's not gonna fall.
That's not happened. So my heart of hearts, Trey Amos
is the pick at thirty. I would love for the

(39:58):
Bills to get an edge in round two. So I'm
very excited to dive into this segment of the episode, James, because,
like you said, and like we talked about in the beginning,
really like once you start getting into round two, it
starts off like two or three rounds with two, three,
and four, where there's a lot of value with the
edge position and with the Bills having two picks in
round two, those two picks being fifty six and sixty two,

(40:21):
a lot of good opportunities for them to get some
real value from the edge grouping in round two here.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Yeah, it's it's really deep.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
You know.

Speaker 5 (40:29):
I think the first guy to kind of start off
this tier would be Princely Yuman Miellen for me.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Who has really fallen a lot lower than I expected.

Speaker 5 (40:44):
Like I've I've got him still forty nine, so right
in my top fifty, and you know, he's in like
the eighties to nineties on a lot of people's boards.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
I just think, like.

Speaker 5 (40:57):
The size, you know, only only two hundred and four
four pounds at the combine, but I think his playing
weight is a lot bigger than that. He was two
sixty five at the Senior Bowl. You've got like he's
just a natural speed rusher. Started to mix in kind
of the inside spin counter a lot this year, and

(41:17):
you know, I I guess I don't think like he's
a great power rusher, and I thought that like doing
some of the drills he didn't at the combine, he
didn't seem to be a very natural bender. But I
just think the size traits combination for me would be
worth taking in the second round. And then I'll just

(41:38):
kind of list off like the next few guys that
I have in that tier, So in order, I would
have Olu Oladejo out of UCLA at sixty one overall
edge ten. We've got David Walker out of Central Arkansas,
Ashton Gilotti out of Louisville, Oh So, Nick Score in

(42:00):
Texas A and M Lannon Jackson Arkansas, and Jordan Birch
out of Oregon.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Okay, what what are your thoughts on JT. Tuey Molau?

Speaker 5 (42:12):
So, I've got him a little bit lower. I've got
him edge eighteen, which sounds really bad, but he's yeah,
he's he's one thirteen on my board. I definitely like
him more than the.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Other Ohio State edge, I will say.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Okay, and that was kind of where I was leading
it to, Like, I feel like him and Sawyer keep
getting lumped together a lot, and I get it, but
Sawyer's lack of athleticism scares me, and the short arms
scare me even more, even though I like his motor
and how I all the typical demographic things to give, like,
oh man, he seems like he has a great work
rate and he's a high character guy and what a motor,

(42:48):
But like the short arms scare me, and the lack
of juice and athleticism scares me. Like I have JTT
significantly higher than Sawyer. But yeah, that's kind of where
I was leading into that. So I'm glad you kind
of sad.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
Yeah, I don't really see Sawyer as an NFL athlete,
honestly it is. Yeah, I just if you're gonna have it,
let's his standout trait besides going up against Cameron Williams,
who is terrible.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
And see that's my thing, like what are I'm not
a person that has to be like, well, you have
to have you have to tick these boxes again, like
I mentioned, like in that draft several years ago, McDuffie
had short arms and I love McDuffie. McCurry had even
shorter arms. McCurry had t Rex arms, and so I'm
not like I think there are certain measurables or benchmarks
that you ideally hit. But I believed in Tank Dell

(43:35):
a couple of years ago, like I do think outliers
can make it. The thing that scares me with Sawyer
is the short arms plus not having something else to
mitigate that or make up for it. Like that means,
so if you're not a plus athlete and you have
short arms. That means you have to you have to
win with technique like all the time, and that's just

(43:57):
such a hard thing to do, Like you in the NFL,
to win with technique that much, to have that be
your calling.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
Card that almost almost never works at edge. And the
thing is, it's not even like Jack Sawyer is a technician.
He's like he has like solid, you know, solid set
of moves and like, yeah, he's not raw or anybody's
clinical teach tape type of edge, right. Yeah, so he
you know, he's got like a really thin lower half

(44:25):
and like people talk about him like he's just this
shutdown run defender. But he gets put on his back
sometimes too. I mean he's he's like big enough that
he he does pretty well in college.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
But yeah, I I have.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
I have Jack Sawyer at one fifty six on my
board fair So yeah, I I think that he if
I was in GM, I would just kind of expect
him to get taken a lot earlier than I would
be willing to to take him.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
And so a lot.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
But JTT has like I really like his build.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
I love like like shorter, sturdier edge rushers with long arms.
He's got some some really devastating power.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
He has.

Speaker 5 (45:12):
Like, I really like his pass rushing plan and an
overall move set. He's just not a very explosive or
bindi athlete, and so there's a lot of reps where
you know, he he might do everything right, it just
doesn't end up going anywhere. But I think he's a

(45:32):
really solid run defender and should be like at least
an early down starter.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
So yeah, I like his floor a lot.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah, I second that. There's so you mentioned a lot
of names that I also have in contention here in
in round two. I'm gonna I don't know where to start.
Let's start with you know, let's start with Olami all
the day. Oh, you know you mentioned him. The Bills
met with him recently. They like him a lot from
what the reports are. He's somebody who just seeing his measurables.

(46:04):
He just tick and play style. He ticks so many
bills boxes, six foot three, two hundred and fifty nine pounds,
thirty three and three eighths inches arms, a thirty six
and a half foot vert. You watch him play, its
length and strength, it's power and pad level. He's newer
to the edge position. Was playing like some off ball
linebacker for UCLA even as early as the first couple

(46:26):
of games this season in twenty twenty four, before he
fully moved on to EDGE. What I think is nice
and what I did with his tape was I started
watching games earlier and then watch games later in the
year to kind of see, okay, is he's starting to learn,
is he starting to change up some of his stuff,
like what's the time on task at edge? Starting to

(46:47):
do for him mentally in terms of being a football player.
And while I do think he still needs to improve
some of the basic things like block recognition, scheme recognition,
taking on doubles, you know, some of the he's very
inconsistent reading the mesh on read options. Sometimes it's great,
sometimes it's terrible. But he does show in game learning

(47:07):
and adjustment and in season learning and adjustment, which is
which I thought was nice. And UCLA uses him a
bit in that spinner role that the Rams use Michael Hoyden.
So he's on the edge and then you know, I
pass him down in distances he might be lined up
in the A gap or the B gap. He's kind
of in a two point stance. You don't know where
he's coming from. I think he has enough athleticism to
drop into coverage. Not great stop startability, but enough athleticism

(47:30):
that you could use him on some sims and some creepers.
Flashes a cross chop every now and again, and then
just the kind of the basic technical things and time
on task stuff, you know, improving his Pastor's plan and
over his overall move set. Saying with some of his transitions,
I'd also like to see him use more speed to power,
because I think he's built for speed to power given
his size and frame. But I think he's someone he's

(47:51):
also apparently from what I hear, a very high character guy,
and I just think he's gonna fit for a lot
of teams. I have more of a and so I
like that you mentioned him, and part of the reason
why I wanted to lead off with him here. I
know a lot of Bills fans have been clamoring with him,
especially since the Bills met with him, and that kind
of popped up on the radar. I have more of
a like mid to late three into an early four

(48:14):
great on him, But I think because of the character
and the frame and the traits and the improvement you
saw given how raw he is, I do think it's
very possible that if like he creeps up into a
day two pick or like early round three, mid three.
And part of my reason of talking about him now
is I think if the Bills want him, I don't

(48:36):
think you can wait till round four to get him.
I think you have to potentially take him at the
end of round two, And for some it may seem
like a reach. I think he's the perfect like late
two to mid late three kind of guy, but because
the Bills don't have a three, if you want him,
you got to take him in round two.

Speaker 5 (48:53):
Yeah, I have an early third on him. Yeah, you
pretty much hit the nail on the head with the analysis.
I would definitely echo. Oh, Like, wanted wanted to see
him use speed.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
To power a lot more, going to be his go
to and I was so excited, and I didn't like
he's he flashes a spin move more than he does
like speed to power, and I was like, oh, like,
I was a little disappointed.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
Yeah, he I mean he pretty much like as far
as wins, it's pretty much just he's just spamming the
cross shop over and over again, and like sometimes it's
just you know, hitting the hitting the scissors on the
crease of the wrapping paper, you know where it just
it's it's it's cooking. Every game, the Penn State game.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
All the pen the Penn State game against so I.
I did like different clips of him from different games,
but Penn State I did its own clip thing. I
had like eight or nine just some of his plays
against the run, some of his pass rush reps. Like
it was just such a great game for him. And yeah,
that cross chop, the cross shop I think is the
perfect microcosm of what he is because when he hits it,

(49:56):
it's gorgeous, it's clean, it's beautiful, and he's through in
other times like it's just it's just very varying levels
of effectiveness within his game, which I think speaks to
he goes.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
On a lot of cold streaks as a pass rusher,
for sure.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
But yeah, I like the I like the overall build,
just kind of the the dense, like powerful build, and
like I feel like his his motor and effort and
like playmaking ability as a run defender, and just like
the way that he is so assertive into contact. I mean, yeah,

(50:33):
you mentioned the read option. I'm so sick of watching
these edge rushers surf technique and defend the mesh. Point
like how many times does do NFL teams run read options?
And like that is feels like eighty percent of what
they coach in college football, So yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Because everybody in college is running the read option and
then unless you're yeah, unless you're playing the Ravens, it
doesn't really happen in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Yeah, I mean, I don't blake.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
I'm not saying I blame the coaches for prioritizing that.
It's just that's kind of one of those elements of
the game that doesn't translate that much. But yeah, I
mean I don't really see like true edge one potential
with him, but definitely somebody that's that's kind of just
scratching the surface because of you know, being so new
to the position.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah, I think you could end up creeping up into it.
Adding like the understanding of technique and the being able
to physically apply it within games, Like having the knowledge
plus the physical application is I don't want to say
it's such a lofty thing, but I do think that's
a hard thing to kind of do and put together.
But I do think it's a realistic expectation that Key

(51:38):
could be an edge two again, the athleticism, the size
you put him into a defense that can kind of
marry those two things, and the ability as a run
defender and the willingness and the physicality along with it
as part of what I think is so intriguing with him.
And then another couple of names. You know, we talked
about him briefly. I do like JTT here again for

(51:59):
those who don't know, it's not Jonathan Taylor Thomas, depending
on if you were a nineties kid or not. If
you know who that is, it is JT. Twoey Moloau
from Ohio State. I do like him here at the
back end of round two for the Bills, just and
you hit on so many to pieces. It's his build.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
I like how he's built personally, and then I think
it would fit with the Bills. Want power compression, some
speed to power, a good to good enough get off,
some athleticism like you talked about, not a lot of
dip or like body lean, but you want somebody who's
just kind of like a heat seeking missile coming off
the edge, you know, and he'll get displaced every now
and again from a down block standpoint. But you look

(52:39):
at the competition he played against, the defense that he
comes from, the understanding. I think he's somebody that operates
with a really high floor and I just like the
I like the package of physicality and athleticism and juice.
There's some explosion, there's some actual bursts, there's some physicality,
there's some hand usage, there's some length, and all of

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it is in this physical compression, speed to power explosion
type of package, which is why JTT really intrigues me.
And then Nick Gorton again, and all all of this
too for people like it. A lot of these names
are nobody's doing it in the chat, but just in
case someone's watching or listening. I hate when someone's like, oh,
what do you think. I can't believe not talking about

(53:20):
so and so. It's like when we might think they
might go at a different point or later or earlier.
They could be coming up in the next segment. Who knows.
But Nick Gorton is one similar to kind of you know,
the Shamar Stewart conversation. You know, you look at how
the guys were used at A and M and Nick
Gorton he said it as much I was looking up
stuff because he played, for those who don't know, played
it a much lighter weight at Purdue. Had some really

(53:42):
great tape at Purdue last year. Comes to tay at
Texas A and M. Plays a little heavier, but he
talked about how much more was on his plate mentally
at Texas A and M, and how that allowed him
to be more versatile, how he's being used, so on
and so forth. And I recognize the Purdue tape is nice,
but I still like some of what he was showing
at Texas A and M. I wanted to see him

(54:03):
use more than inside spin at A and M like
he used to Purdue, but the ability to rush from
both sides, you've got some athleticism baked into it. I
thought he had good eyes and quickness and physicality on
the line of scrimmage. I would like to see him
go with more speed to power. But you see some
of the technicality that he uses that he has the
hand usage as a rusher, some chops swipes, good hand fighting,

(54:25):
a good cross chop. He got absolutely torqued by Will
Campbell in the LSU game and then followed it up
a couple like reps later by spinning hitting that inside
spin and beating him instantly and then also decking him
on an inside run defense rep later. I think he
offers again he's another guy kind of from a play

(54:45):
style standpoint, not necessarily from a build or frame, but
a play style standpoint I think similar to kind of JTT,
which is why I want to talk about him together.
Whether both guys are kind of like, give you some
run defense, give you some some power and some physicality,
do some rush stuff, have some athleticism, not necessarily this
big frame, tradsd up type of player, but give you

(55:06):
this higher floor kind of understanding and someone that can
plug in and kind of be effective right away.

Speaker 5 (55:13):
Yeah, so I definitely I'll just say, like I hated
Nick Gorton's tape this year.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yeah, did you watch the produce tape. Yes, but it's
supposed to be like it's so annoying.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
So I did like a I didn't do a I
didn't really do like preseason rankings, but I did like
a what I would do mock draft over the summer
and Nick Gorton I had going with the first overall pick. Wow,
And then now I've got him seventy three on my board.
So like I've been all over the spectrum with him.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
So this is personal for you.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Yeah, I think he's such a like just smart, nuanced
pass rusher.

Speaker 5 (56:02):
I just I don't think he's like a really good
enough athlete to be like a number one guy in
the NFL, you know, at his size. I think the
lack of a consistent bull rush was was really disappointing.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Yep, another guy would like go through people more, especially
considering shorter somewhat shorter arms will actually shorter arms twenty
nine percentile for ARMLENGK. I just expected in his overall frame,
I expected more go through people than I saw.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Yeah, it's so, you know, the lack of bull rushes
is disappointing.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
You know. You mentioned like the spin, which is obviously
one of his that was kind of like his signature move.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
I will say.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
Teams kept a guard kind of like posted up in
the B gap last year to cut off his spin
move pretty consistently. There were a lot of wins, like
clean wins that he got with that where that got
kind of cut off by by getting doubled.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
But the thing with Gorton is.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
That it's it's a huge gamble and like I still
think there's upside there, because there's a chance that like
what we saw last year was was purely just that
he was he was playing uh with bad weight, and
I think you could be kind of getting like my
high end comp form is Tomba Hally Oh, So like

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I think there's I still think there's upside there.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
I just one of my biggest lessons that I learned
like early is.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
Don't do the thing where like there their penultimate year
was better than their last year and you like say like, well,
I'm just gonna go off of that because it just
like it never ends up working out for me. Example
number one being Will Levis. Oh yeah, so yeah, I

(58:03):
even though I recognize that, I think there it could
be that it's like twenty twenty three was the real
Nick Gordon.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
I just I don't really like take that bet very often.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
No, that's fair and super understandable. Like I'm in somewhat
of a similar boat, like I I very much prefer
to go off of the most recent tape. What the
Purdue tape and the Purdue in general conversation. I think
is so interesting for him considering like he immediately once
the season was done in A and M, he immediately
lost like twenty with that immediately, but lost twenty to

(58:34):
twenty five pounds And it wasn't like, oh so I
could test faster the combine like he reduced weight almost immediately,
which made me think he was playing up to what
was wanted of him, not necessarily what was best for him.
And again, but it is a gamble to a degree.
And but I think if you get somebody again at
the back end of round two who has enough of

(58:57):
a high floor, is a smart enough player like I
would love for to get a guy back there who
has maybe potentially a higher ceiling. But I think there
is effectiveness for him built into kind of that position
and that type of value in terms of what he brings,
and then if you can tap into you know, the
twenty twenty three version of him was real. But to
your point, it is a bit of a gamble. I
did want to ask you about, you know, one another

(59:19):
guy you mentioned again we're gonna talk about a lot
of the sick around guys that we went through already
and that you mentioned, Ashton Jalatti out of Louisville. Do
you think he can truly live on the edge as
like an edge edge or do you think he's more
of like a three four defensive end. Yeah, I do.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
I mean he he really like.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Kind of short arm scary. That's kind of the reason
I'll say the short arm scare me a little bit.
But he's such an ass kicker with like his speed,
power and physicality.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
Yeah, I mean he he he backed up you know,
his athleticism with with a really impressive combine performance, like
you know, six' nine to four in the three, cone
how the thirty six and a half inch vertical ran
a force a. Five some of his his tracking data
from the combine was pretty impressive, Too like he had
the his max speed on the corner, Drill like turning

(01:00:10):
the corner was eighty fourth percentile over the last three,
years max speed on the wave drill was eighty ninth. Percentile,
LIKE i think he's a he's a good athlete to
to win out on the. Edge has just a really
like so there's there's a lot of players this. YEAR
i was talking about it On, twitter like it's fitting
that the Year Brandon grammer tires were getting like all

(01:00:32):
of his clones, entering uh THE, nfl because you've you've
kind of got like the Charmander charmelion Chars Ard, meme
just like with how Many like There's Elijah roberts out OF,
Smu There's David walker out Of Central. Arkansas There's Ashton
galatti out Of. Louisville it's you know these like kind
of densely built six two two sixty five power rushers

(01:00:58):
that also have a cross shop have like a nice
pass rushing plan that they sequence together just so similar
in the way that they. WIN I i like How
Ashton jilotti is so quick to get to counters and
kind of like take what the tackle is giving. Him
so like if he's you, know going going for the
cross chop and the tackle really opens up his hips

(01:01:20):
and sells out to stop the speed, Rush he's not just.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Gonna go with.

Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
That he's gonna quickly get into a hump move and
and you know hook under the inside, shoulder hit through
the b, Gap like just really instinctive in that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Area and like his speed to power is so. Consistent the.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
People people for whatever, reason always talk about like if
an if an edgresser is six y to two or,
something they list that as a. Weakness do they do
the same thing with offensive. Lineman i'm like why would
you ever want a tall person on the line of,
scrimmage because it's like in the same scouting report you'll
see somebody Like Dion, walker for. Example number one one's

(01:02:00):
strength is gonna be you, know, massive, tall like gigantic defensive.
Tackle number one weakness is gonna be plays with high pad. Level, yeah,
yeah one of those are maybe. Related and like With,
JILATI i mean you, never like never write down in
your notes that he's like too high in his. Bullrush
he's just so consistent getting under people's. Pads so, YEAH

(01:02:24):
i really like. THAT i don't think he has the
best anchor against the, run but really really heavy hands
to just ragged, all especially tight. Ends like if you
got him one on one with a tight end on
on the backside of inside, zone he's he's launching him into.
Orbit so, YEAH i love just so much about his.
GAME i think he's one of the more underrated players

(01:02:45):
in this class for.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Sure, yeah he's got some fun.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Tape and AGAIN i hate doing the measurement. THING i you,
know fifth percentile for arm length for OH i didn't
see this first percentile for, Hands, eyze he's got very
tiny hands in short arms, yea and it doesn't scare
me off completely because, again he's got some really fun,
tape but it made me, wonder, like, okay with how
he's built and how he plays in the power and,

(01:03:08):
physicality like does more of like a three four dee
like suit him his poos to like a true. Edge
but then you see him kind of function out there
against good, competition like he's got some good tape against
Like clemson And spurts And Notre. Dame and it's not
just like, okay he's racking up against like some weaker
like acc offenses Like. Virginia we did Dominate pittsburgh, though oh,
MAN i mean one of you AND i should probably
suit up right now and put up like five pressures each.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Chickets, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
There were some embarrassingly bad just like technique on some
of those. Reps but, yeah, no he he he did
well against good.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Competition for. Sure he had a.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
Rep i'm pretty sure he had a. Rep that is
what got oh, God texan's second round pick tackle For Notre,
Dame Blake fisher like got him, benched just walked him
back into the.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Quarterback but, yeah good.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Call i'm gonna have to go back to the twenty
twenty three tape and then see that THOUGH i like
that good call with, that let's scrabs grab another second.
Round guy you Mentioned Landon jackson From, Arkansas i'll let
you lead on. FIRST i again, this this is one
thing THAT i tend to hold true to regardless of.
Position guys that are high cut scare, me especially at

(01:04:24):
a position WHERE i would like Some i'm not a
big like you have to have bend and you have
to have dip and all that type of, stuff but
high cut guys scare. Me but the violence that he plays,
with the power that he plays with is very intriguing
kind of offset some of my. Concerns BUT i kind
of use that as an intro to land And. Jackson

(01:04:44):
what do you think of the Edge?

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
MARKANSAW i was definitely underwhelmed with his. Tape you, know
he's kind of just a guy that cross chops every,
play and, like.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
If if the top happens to jump set and like
he cleanly knocks down the outside, hand then he, can you,
know get a get a path around the. Corner but if,
not it's just gonna be like failed cross chop after
failed cross. Shop AND i didn't like he he is
a powerful, player BUT i didn't think he really used
speed to power at least as much AS i was.

(01:05:21):
Expecting like, THAT i feel like should kind of be the,
uh one of the primary ways that he.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Wins but especially with ye, again he's in the ninety
six percentile for the broad, jump in ninety seven for the,
Vertical like he's got legitimate. Explosion you can see him
move and, yeah it's, like, dude use your lengthen your
and your explosion and just go through.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
People, yeah it's it's interesting because you know he has
that those the jump, testing but then like the ten
yard split is forty six, percentile and LIKE i would
almost when we talk about explosiveness for edge, RUSHERS i
feel like there's kind of there's like explosion into contact

(01:06:02):
and then there's upfield. Burst LIKE i think he's explosive
into contact and like that really it's like more like
twitchy like short area.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Explosion but then as far as just it's almost more like.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
Speed you, know upfield there are times where he actually
like will cleanly beat the outside, hand but just doesn't
have have that that closing speed to to convert the.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Win so, YEAH i MEAN i think he's kind OF
i think he's got like a high floor And.

Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
I'M i Definitely I'm i'm lower on him than consensus for.
SURE i have him eighty seventh and he's fiftieth on
the consensus. Board so, again like one of those players
THAT i don't necessarily. Hate it's just IF i was A,
GM i expect that he's gonna be off the board
BEFORE i would really be interested in taking.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Him so, YEAH i would probably just like go with someone.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Else high cut dudes scare me a LIKE i, Said
LIKE i just especially in that type of, position LIKE
i JUST i just prefer again then this could be
horrible evaluation thing for. Me but guys that are high
cut just scare me a little, bit which is, part you,
know part of WHAT i was pleasantly surprised with With

(01:07:24):
swinson FROM. Lsu LIKE i as soon AS i flash
turned on the tape and saw how like he was,
BUILT i was, like he's a little high, cut but
there's more. There he's not overly stiff like there is
some there's there's not too much rigidity to his hip
movements and how he moves and how he, dips and
he can do different. Things, Again he's not the dip,
most the dippiest or the, bendiest but there's more. There

(01:07:46):
and SO i was, Like, okay so he's high, cut
but there's still something there to the lower. Body, yeah With,
jackson it it does just scare me a little. Bit
there someone in want Who SO i don't believe this
is a name that you, mentioned but this is, one
and that he's an outlier for The. Bills he's an
outlier in a multitude of fashions given his size and

(01:08:06):
frame in some, ASPECTS i have a three on, him but, actually,
no let me go. BACK i have a, yeah mid
three on. HIM i don't think he's going to be
there in the fourth potentially when The bills, picked so
if they wanted to get him would have to be
a round. TWO i didn't know where to include him
in the, discussion But i'm going to include him. Here
what are your thoughts On Josiah stewart From michigan because
he just plays like A veloci raptor And i'm just

(01:08:27):
tremendously attracted to dudes who play Like velosco.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Raptors, YEAH i love so much About Jaseias stewart's.

Speaker 5 (01:08:35):
Tape he's right inside my top one, hundred so he's
ninety eighth, overall sixteenth ranked. EDGE i come to him
To samson ebucom as a player that's like just a
much better run defender than you would expect for his,
Size Like i'm expecting That i'm gonna be righting a

(01:08:55):
bunch of weaknesses, about you, know like him holding up
against the, run AND i, think like you have to
mention in the, size but, dude he Is he's a,
force like setting the edge and taking on, polers.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Well watching him take it, on like he's just, murdering
like pulling guards left and, right like meeting him in
their chest or hitting him in the, shoulder bouncing off
making the, tackle like to watch him play at that
size and see it not be this limiting piece for.
Him and for those who don't, KNOW u six to

(01:09:26):
one two and forty nine pounds and also fifth percentile
for arm, length twenty fifth percentile for hand. Size so
he's small in a lot of forms and. Fashions but
he just AND i hate to say this BECAUSE i
feel like it's a cop, out but he's a small
guy who plays big and the violence is so.

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
REAL i will Like i've been kind of re re
like rejuvenated or revitalized to like trust my gut with
with smaller players that play big because Of Nolan, smith
LIKE i remember watching him and just being, Like, okay
this guy does not check any measurement, boxes but he

(01:10:05):
is a dude against the run and it was still
able to translate in THE.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Nfl so and he was another one, too like sometimes
you mentioned a little bit ago With Landon. JACKSON i
feel Like Nolan, smith granted he had both, things BUT
i Think stewart has both things you. MENTIONED i think
He smith And stewart both have the upfield, burst but
then also had the explosion and power into, contact which
again you'd like to see from a kind of The

(01:10:28):
Elvis duomerville type of. Mold if you're, smaller you have that,
leverage so then use it and make yourself a battering.
Ram and much Like Nolan. Smith, Yeah stuart And stuart
a couple reps where he's covering tight ends in man
coverage he can drop into the low hole or the
hook the. CURLS i don't think he's as fluid in
his athletic in space As, smith BUT i love that
idea of the comp of like's not the elite athlete

(01:10:49):
That smith, was which was tremendously. Elite but, yeah, like,
man you're making me like him even.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
MORE i.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
WAS i was hoping you're going to talk me off the.
Ledge that kind of made me feel.

Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
Well the thing THAT i will, say, THOUGH i do
have some actually, concerns like with pass, rushing because.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
You, know he's really explosive and, fast and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
He has a.

Speaker 5 (01:11:12):
Devastating speed to. Power the problem is that he's somebody
that's gonna require a long runway to build up, Speed
like he can only be a wide nine where he
has like space to build up.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Momentum if you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Get a, closter say he's like even just in a
five AGAINST nfl length and. Size if they just jumps
at them and get their hands on, them like you
got to hope that he can swipe right away and get.
By if, not if they get their hands on, him
it's gonna be a.

Speaker 5 (01:11:42):
Problem, YEAH i mean a lot of HIS i put
together a speed to power real For Josiah stewart like
a few months ago of like all of his wins
from the last couple of, years and.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
It's like half of. Them WHEN i was doing the
little play indicator. THING i had to do it off
of the screen because he wasn't pre, snap he wasn't
even on the. Screen.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Snap you have to put the arrow like pointing off
screen to be like here's where he's gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Right and THEN i also thought that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:12):
His, uh he wasn't as effective against like better competition this.
Year so another another example of a team like if
you see a if you see a dominant win against
USC's offensive, line take it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
With a grain of. Salt and he an insane game AGAINST.

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
Usc but then Like oregon was pretty, Quiet Ohio state
was relatively, Quiet, Uh texas was pretty. Quiet like those
were you, know like TAKE pff grades for, whatever but
like those were his three LOWEST pff pass rushing, games you,

(01:12:57):
know and LIKE i felt like that, that uh lined
up with the. Tape so, yeah but, man he's such
a fun.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Player, Yeah i'm just, dude you play like veloci. Raptors
just something that that it Doesn't BUT i think you're
you're very spot on like kind of the there is
and AGAIN i hate saying, this but there is something
to be said for like certain measurables that guys in
theory should tick at certain, positions and he is a
significant outlier in you, know for for for those counting at,

(01:13:30):
home and in height second, percentile and weight thirteenth, percentile
arm length fifth, percentile hands size twenty fifth. Percentile and
he does have, juice he does play, violent he can
he actually can act as like a forced player and
is a spill player off the. Edge and he's got
such good like juice and explosion in in his lower
body and in his. Game but, yeah that that size

(01:13:52):
piece IS ah is a very very real. Aspect anybody
else in this second round range that we potentially didn't hit,
ON i know you had a bunch of dudes that
we went through most of them, though but anybody that
you feel like deserves a little more attention or a shout. Here,
actually you know potentially talk About David walker out Of Central.

(01:14:13):
Arkands SO i know you listed, him and a couple
of people in the chat mentioned him as. Well what
are your thoughts On David walker unless there's something else
you want to do and THEN i can shut.

Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
UP i Love David, walker you, know just like playing
On sandbox mode based on his level of, competition but
he just like obliterates fcs tackles with his, bullrush can
bend the corner at like extremely tight angles really quick

(01:14:41):
moving laterally to just like on, tape he like he's
crossing over a gap in like a single frame of
the video and then like he's got pursuit speed closing burst.
Again the arms are concerning, obviously but you, know just
under six and sixty three, pounds you, know ran a

(01:15:04):
four six, Nine, LIKE i think he's got a good
explosiveness and probably a little bit limited as far as
like shedding blocks in the run. Game uh would be
kind of my my biggest weakness weakness for, him BUT
i think he can be a productive pass rusher kind
of on the on The Brandon graham To Melvin ingram.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Spectrum OH i like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
SPECTRUM i like that he's another dude who there's, yeah like,
that there's some there's so many like fun flashes from.
Him from a bill's, perspective the arm, length the arm
link is such a prerequisite for, them and even somebody
who's you, know smaller in size Like Javon solomon has
long arms like so that that is such a big
thing for them at the edge. Spot but, yeah why you,

(01:15:50):
KNOW i know you mentioned. HIM a bunch of people
in the in the chat mentioned him as, Well SO
i want to get.

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
Here, well one guy THAT I i will mention who
passes the arm length or checks the arm length box
would Be Jordan birch out Of, oregon who is one
of the better power rushers in this. Class, yes he
has has just like an imposing sized. Profile uh six
four two seventy nine thirty three and three quarters inch

(01:16:16):
arms ran a four six Seven. Uh he's he's like
what we were talking about with with not being you,
know the most explosive, player but he has good explosion
into contact to create like knockback pop when when he you,
know initiates his bull rush and then surprising bind for

(01:16:38):
a player of his.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Size he was way more athletic THAN i thought he
was going to.

Speaker 5 (01:16:42):
Be, yeah he, can he can turn the. Corner he's
got like had a couple wins with an inside. SPIN
i think still needs to like grow his move, set
but a really good starting. Point he's an older, player
and Like i've been watching him for a few years
because he's kind of been on the draft radar for a.
WHILE i just like never saw anything with him until this.

(01:17:03):
YEAR i was, like, Whoa, okay this is a real,
Player so you, know late breakouts can be kind of,
concerning BUT i think he had a lot of promising
tape this.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Year, yeah there were some fun flashes for. HIM i
saw him a bit today and kind of doing some
prep for this. EPISODE i need to finish my complete
evail on. Him but the thing that hit me immediately
WAS i just knowing the size and, frame but then
seeing him. PLAY i was, like, oh you like you
move very well for your size and how they would
what they would do with, him and there was some fun.
Stuff he had some fun flashes and not Harmon jamari

(01:17:39):
calledwell interior defensive, lineman not an, Edge like just moved
way better THAN i thought for a dude who's three
hundred and thirty plus, pounds like and so. LIKE i,
Mean oregon was a good squad this year obviously with
the season that they, had so you, know they kind
of have talent in trops at different. Spots but, Yeah
birch is somebody who just the size profile fits in
terms of what the like him the, side it's not

(01:18:01):
just even the. Sides the size profile plus the play.
Style i'm interested to see kind of where he goes
because it's it's hard to teach that level of athleticism
paired with that kind of. Size i'm also interested to
see what he plays at from a way. Perspective does
he play into the two? Seventies does somebody try to
thicken him out a little? Bit kind of what do
you want him? For dependent? Scheme you, know even With

(01:18:22):
oregon's Defense Dan lanning coming From, georgia you'd See birch
lined up in a four eye and a four at different.
Times or team's gonna try and pin him in as
like a three to four defensive end with what he can,
do OR i don't, know you get a creative team
that wants to drop me to coverage and do some
different things because he has some, athleticism you kind of
do some different. Stuff good call With birch anybody else
in this type of tear or, conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:18:47):
You, KNOW i think THAT'S i would, say everybody else
we can probably save for like day. Three there's some
guys that might be on the, border BUT i think
that kind of rounds out WHAT i would say for day.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
TWO i, agree, well, said all, right let's move on
to day, three where The bills have seven of their
ten draft, picks uh for those who are, unaware two
round four picks one oh nine and one thirty, two
three picks in round five one sixty, nine one seventy,
one seventy, three and then two picks in round, six
one seventy seven and two oh. Six but from an edge,

(01:19:22):
perspective there is still an opportunity for someone to potentially
fall and be of value to The bills in round
four or you never, know later In day. Three So, james,
uh take it away with who you got in terms
of The day three draft edges or draft targets at.

Speaker 5 (01:19:35):
Edge SO i think probably the first GUY i would
mention would Be Saveon jones out OF. Lsus you, know
really like high motor, player great size at two hundred
and eighty, pounds six foot five thirty four inch.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Arms.

Speaker 5 (01:19:54):
Uh not kind of like a clunky, ATHLETE i, think
but he did have an eighty second percentile ten yard
split and he has like rare BEND i think for his,
size some insane reps.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Of him him turning the.

Speaker 5 (01:20:12):
Corner you, KNOW i wanted him at his size to
be a more effective power, Rusher.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
So you know that was kind of my one.

Speaker 5 (01:20:26):
Biggest issue with him as a pass, rusher and THEN i,
mean like we were talking about he is he's too
stiff changing directions to like defend the mesh point a
lot of mistackles because he just like couldn't close space quickly.
Enough BUT i think he could be just kind of
like a a really solid rotational piece with a good,

(01:20:48):
motor you, know good athlete and like can kind of
just kind of just be disruptive in a rotational.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Role that's very, fair AND i think it's a good
way to kind of lead off this this conversation part of.
It and when you're getting into day, three even if
it's round, four like you you're hoping for someone if
they could be a rotational, guy or you, know you
might hit the day three hits and guys who can
develop into more and become plus starters or regular. Starters

(01:21:17):
but if you hit someone on day three that is
a rotational guy for, you and like that fits into
that mold for, you that is most definitely a, win
especially in something as, unsure uh as the. DRAFT i Like,
swinston that's er Not. SWINSON i confuse him And jones
all the, time AND i don't know why because their
names are two completely different. Things BUT i DON'T I
i confuse their numbers all the time. Too that's neither

(01:21:39):
here nor. There MY d three guy THAT i really.
Like part of it is because in the, nickname but
these are some really good tape. TOO i Like Kyman
rutger From North carolina whose nickname is The butcher just
thinks so, badass but some of his tape and just
WHY i also think AND i are not. THINKING i

(01:22:00):
wonder where he would be in the draft cycle right
now if he didn't have that season ending injury this past.
Year but he's another, dude different kind of play style
Than Josiah, stewart but smaller on the smaller side of.
Things but another guy for me who just plays like
a veloss of, raptor you, know against the. Run how
he plays the run with. TENACITY i do think he

(01:22:20):
needs better eye. Discipline he can get caught kind of
locking in a bit too, much you. KNOW i one
of the GAMES i watched was Against georgia tack because
they just put so many defensive fronts in a blender
when it comes to the run, game but also how
physical they are up, front AND i wanted to see
how a dude In rutger that's six' one two fifty
four with thirty two and a half, in charms how

(01:22:41):
he would Do against georgia tack and he got hit
more with the misdirection and being misladding getting caught with
bad eyes more so than he did like being, physically
dominated which it's, not GREAT but i saw that as
a PLUS because i, Was, like okay that gives me
a little hope for, you know what he can DO
against nfl size, and STRENGTH although i do think that
is going to be, you know shoe how HE handles
nfl size. And strength but someone who just plays with

(01:23:02):
violence and juice hand usage as, a rusher a variety,
of moves, a swipe dip, and rip. A ghost he
can go speed. To power he can go with a
club or. A hump he's got a good. CROSS chop
i think he needs more of an inside, move PRESENCE
but i think he pairs, you know his arsenal with
good rush angles to, the quarterback a good enough, get
off and some snap anticipation. As well he's also got

(01:23:25):
some athleticism. To HIM but i describe him as one
of one of My Buddies, russell brown who does draft
Stuff For, fantasy pros described him as bulky. IN space
i describe him as like he's almost like he's moving
in quicksand at times in space like, he's athletic but
it's not like he's fleet, of foot and so it
maybe he feels like he's. Moving, quicksands yeah that's a

(01:23:46):
good way to, put it which is weird because like
you you'll see him on the line and there's like
there's not a ton of not a ton of. Upfield
burst but it's not a. Negative there he's got some,
upfield juice but he's more of just like a power
and explosion kind. Of guy but you'll see it on
the snap with how he can just go through somebody
and then, In, space yeah it's. More there he lacks
that nimbleness to his to, his FEET but i like

(01:24:07):
some of the core strength. He has he's somebody that
if he's there in, ROUND four i know he's a,
size outlier especially For, the bills but he's somebody who
just with his production and what he was, on tape
even going back to the twenty twenty three tape before he,
CHANGED numbers i, just thought, YOU know i really like,

(01:24:28):
the tape and he's somebody who is the into this
is what we talked. About earlier he got hurt and
was called working with his way back. From injury So
against pitt, this year acc he only had, nine snaps
so a ton of his snats aren't inflated By.

Speaker 5 (01:24:41):
Playing, pitt, Yeah yeah, i'm like it's always funny how
this ends UP because i obviously never try to make.
It Happen but i'm right on consensus with Cam. On
rucker i've got him one. Eighty four he's won eighty
four on the. Consensus board, YOU know i like the
blend of being in to win with speed, and power
but kind of like, YOU mentioned I just i, worry about,

(01:25:05):
you know holding up in the run game IN.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
The nfl and like.

Speaker 5 (01:25:10):
He's he's a, solid athlete but for, his size he's
probably an average to above. Average ATHLETE so, i think
like Firmly a day. Three guy but it wouldn't shock
me if he ends up being kind of, a nice
a nice change up.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Edge, Defender yeah he's he's, someone THAT.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Like, i think in an ideal world to, your point
like you're getting him at the end or an actually
say and like More middle day three type. Of GUY
but i think with the production and some of the
pieces that, he HAS like i could see him, being,
like okay like get him in, round FOUR but i
think ideally in a sweet soot is more like end of,
round four like into. Round five just, because again as

(01:25:47):
as MUCH as i can hate saying this and continue to,
SAY that i hate, SAYING this i just WONDER against
nfl size, and length he's another, guy again if you
are he's got a really. Good plan this is different
Than The jack, sawyer conversation but like he does have
good technique and plan and moves and, an arsenal but
it's just so hard. To win and he's got much

(01:26:08):
more violence and juice to his Game. Than sawyer so
that's what makes me feel a little. Bit better but it, is,
just yeah at, some point like it's going to be
hard to kind of just it's just such a different
level of competition IN the nfl every week and it's
supposed to. A tackle they're, all big they're, all long they're.
ALL strong, i mean maybe they're all not, so long

(01:26:28):
depending On If will campbell plays tackle. Or not because
everybody wants to make a big deal about. That conversation
where are you on. That conversation do You Think will
campbell needs to be a guard or do you think
he can?

Speaker 5 (01:26:36):
Play tackle, OH yeah i think firmly, a guard but
based on, his tape not REALLY like i mean, the
length there's, you know there's there's plenty of good tackles
with with in that like thirty two to thirty three.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
Inch range like, you Know.

Speaker 5 (01:26:55):
The Colts the colts love For his. Ris Folks As chris,
ballard is he does not give a shit about. Arm
length so, you know they they've got some GUYS like,
I remember I'm a, Titans Fan, michael russ probably the,
best tackle one of the best tackles in, franchise history
HAD like i think right under thirty three.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
In charms, SO yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (01:27:20):
Mean i'm i'm willing to make, those exceptions, but like
you have to have good foot speed, and FLUIDITY and
i felt like that got exposed against like pretty much
everybody that he faced this year that's gonna be drafted
either this draft or the, next draft Like Our mason
Thomas for oklahoma gave, Him Issues dallas turner gave.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
Him issues. Last Year quay robinson gave.

Speaker 5 (01:27:45):
Him Issues for alabama, this year had some losses Against
THE texas a and M Guys kyle kinnard gave him
fits like HE something i always see as people would,
be like, you know until he proves on tape that
he can't be, a tackle like he's. A tackle, IT'S

(01:28:06):
like i feel like he kind of proves that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
On tape but that's. MY opinion i.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Like, THAT well i kind of think you, PROVED it,
I dave i. LOOKED up i always just love looking
up like older like dudes from, the league AND so
i went and Looked Up michael roos's STUFF because i
immediately assume as soon as you, MENTIONED him i, remembered
HIM and i always thought he's LIKE just i remember
the spelling of, his NAME the r and THE double
o and. THE as i forgot just how big he
was six, foot seven three hundred and, twenty pounds but

(01:28:33):
it's six, foot seven three hundred and. Twenty pounds he
ran a four five.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
Two forty, no wait that's NOT that i think that
has to be LIKE.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
A typeo that's what he's listened at un mock draftable
offensive Tackle Yeap michael roose he ran off now he
ran five. Twenty twenty sorry four five Two twenty, my fault,
my fault my fault five, three, yeah yeah. YEAH yeah i, was, like,
what yeah that's. MY fault i read it wrong on.
Mock draft well that's, on me that's. On me THAT'S
what i was, REALLY like i got to call this
out the Time That.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
Malachi starks what do you Think?

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
On maleck what do you Think About? Malachi starks does
he have a first round grade?

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
For you.

Speaker 5 (01:29:15):
Let me see he's uh he, to me he's pretty
comfortably safety two in?

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
This class who's safety won and worry?

Speaker 5 (01:29:23):
For, you YEAH but i had that take, pre combine
So like i'm allowed to, say it. YOU'RE not i
straight UP just i thought, even worry LIKE AND i
i was like paying attention to even worry from week
ONE because i JUST Like i sawlways Was in Feldon's.
Freak liist he was at the top of my list
to watch, every WEEK and i thought he had better

(01:29:45):
Tape than starks. This year, To, me STARKS so i
have an early Second. On starks he is twenty first on.
MY board I think starks is a really good and,
versatile PLAYER but i feel like he's kind of coasting
off of some name recognition and the fact that he's
been a like he's been on the on the radar

(01:30:07):
as like a blue chip draft prospect since his first
start when he made that Interception against oregon and Like
the Chick fil a kickoff ball, or WHATEVER and i
mean he was he was a really good player for
like the first one point five years of his three.
YEAR career i think he was like a top ten.

(01:30:28):
Caliber prospect he had a really rough into the season,
last year and then this year they were playing him out,
of position playing him basically as as. A nickel like
he had more man coverage snaps from the slot than
anyone in college football that's listed as, a safety and

(01:30:49):
so that caused him to get beat a, lot more
and it it limited his opportunities to like make plays on.
The BALL but i thought when he was at, deep
safety just like his his play recognition and HIS eyes
i think are, really inconsistent and like the coverage bus
and the some of the some of the tightness changing

(01:31:09):
directions and just like the overall career trajectory is kind
of troubling to Me.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
With starks, SO yeah i prefer emon worry.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
FOR sure i really Really. Like starks but there's something
and a lot of it is some of the stuff.
You mentioned there's something well and IT is i hate,
saying this but like there's LIKE something i just can't
shake ABOUT what i don't like, About him like there's
just something that's missing, For ME like i feel incomplete

(01:31:39):
or like empty to, A degree LIKE when i watch
him and there's a lot of. Great flashes, you know
you mentioned the out of. POSITION stuff i, thought that,
you know did it did a disservice to him having
to play That star apex role in. That defense, but
yeah there's just the angles to the ball and his
eyes are a big one. For me there's A play
i think the ball Goes To. MATTHEW golden i think

(01:31:59):
it's in THE S. Sec championship it's cover.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Two exactly what he's, talking about ye towards the.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
Top of, the screen and he makes a break on
the ball and you can see The whole georgia sideline
get up because they think he's gonna pick it and he,
should have like he just took such a bad angle
to the ball and it gets. Over him golden. Catches
it he Runs down golden and makes. The tackle but
everybody's like, jumping Up even kirby smart because they're and
you can watch, them, go oh like? What happened like

(01:32:26):
it just some of his angles to the ball in,
the air and even someone like coming up as a
run defender at times when that's even more worrisome as
a run defender if you don't have the athleticism or
the speed to kind of make up, for it which
he's not a, bad athlete but he's not a. Plus,
Athlete yeah i'll.

Speaker 5 (01:32:42):
Give him i'll give him a, pass though because like
a couple of those Were Against, jalen milroe who's an.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Absolute alien he's.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
So nuts, the vision, the speed the foot speed. LIKE
eight I Picked south carolina FOR my ncaa twenty, five
dynasty which is part OF why i like Em. And
WARRIOR but i WANTED to I thought bama was gonna be.
TOO overpowered i wanted to Play A jayln milroll so
bad because he's like a he's like a real life video,
Game character like he's just so vers that he's never

(01:33:11):
met a corner that he couldn't turn or a gap
that he couldn't just Sonic the. Hedgehog through like the
speed is. Absolutely unreal the safety is interesting, For me
I'm a i'm a bit down on em AND worry
i REALLY like i Really Like. XAVIER watts i like
some Stuff that. Macouba does the SAFETY class i think

(01:33:33):
is really. LIKE interesting i also feel like every year
it just feels like whoever the preseason safety one is
doesn't end up. Testing well it has a bit of a,
Down year like a couple of seasons ago It Was
cam kitchens and then you just didn't see you saw
poor testing and some questions. On tape he was another
guy with angles and kind of riskiness in terms of
kind of going rogue at times. And coverage you had

(01:33:54):
a good rookie year For the, rams actually And then starks,
was like what a top five or even a top
ten dude coming into this seat and then there's some
questions On TAPE and i always wonder like the prospect
fatigue versus testing and how and it feels like a
year after year it continues to hit the, safety grouping
which is also kind of like a, devalued POSITION like i,
DON'T know i.

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
Don't, KNOW yeah i KIND of i sort of think
prospect fatigue is a bunch of like bs just Happened With.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
Will anderson that's why a bunch of people Were putting
tyree whatever ahead. Of HIM tyree i can't even remember
now because he went To the raiders and. Done anything
like did People Have.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
Tyree Wilson Over? Will, anderson yeah you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
Remember that that was like. A legit like the more
we got Closer, to april it, was, like well, You,
know okay the floor can be all Right For, will
anderson but he's really just a run defender and a
speed to. Power Guy tyree wilson can be the complete
package coming Out Of. Texas tech and then people started to,
put him like a significant amount of voices Started having
Wilson over anderson or thought he was like the, higher ceiling,

(01:34:54):
better prospect. Better player that's the biggest example of prospect fatigue,
for ME because i remember going into are you a?

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
EXAMPLE yeah i was like what?

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
ARE we i, remember YEAH because I was i was
At The, senior bowl and granted not necessarily everybody at,
that time, even there there were people that we were having.
Conversations with where, was, like, Yeah Man. TYRIE wilson i
remember just getting back like at the at the end of,
the day every day and talking to my closer people
and just, being like what is? Happening here like why

(01:35:23):
are people, acting, Like well anderson is not good at
Football And tyery wilson. Is everything and granted part, OF
it i didn't see all the Pluses, with wilson, BUT
yeah I think i think prospect fatigue can be. Real
thing ALTHOUGH it's i think it's a different kind of example,
for starts, but yeah it feels LIKE confu i think.

Speaker 5 (01:35:38):
It's just it's like a lot of times people it's
like there's a guy that's ranked highly ON the Pff
mock draft simulator and like a no Shot. At trevor
but that's usually the first way that people are introduced
to prospects is because it's like one of the first
boards that, comes out and so like they're they're ranked
high early in, the year people just kind, Of, assume

(01:35:59):
okay these are like the top, ten guys and then
if it turns out that they don't have a great
season or maybe, you Know maybe trevor was actually like
kind off of consensus, on that and like then different
opinions start to.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
Come in then people call it.

Speaker 5 (01:36:13):
Prospect fatigue it's like just because it's like your initial thought,
like yes it might have. Being wrong it's like, you
know and my, other one other one that kills me
is people are overthinking, Like prospects like sometimes that. Does
happen BUT if, i overthink you mean watching their most
recent tape and like, evaluating it it's like that's that's

(01:36:35):
properly thinking. A, player yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
That's dude's dot in the eyes across and The t's
the mock, DRAFT simulators i think are a big one
FOR like i can't tell you, how MANY and i.
UNDERSTAND it i don't necessarily think it's like a because everybody,
operates differently especially you're, just like, you know more of a.
Casual fan but the amount of LIKE comments i get, for,
like MAN like i really like, this player like, would love,

(01:36:57):
you know would target him in, Round two and then
the amount Of like i'll, get, like, oh WELL like
i got him in MY pff moc in, round five
so like what are you saying he's in? Round Two and, i'm, like,
god damn like it just.

Speaker 5 (01:37:07):
Like yeah it's like that's that's just that just means
he's like on, one board like at, the point that's,
one thing like even just from the side of like everybody,
evaluates differently, BUT yeah i, get that like or even
just like the opposite.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
YOU'LL do i do those pff mocks all, the time
Like if i'm waiting in line at like the, car
Washer like i'm in like the waiting room at. The
Doctor so, I'm like i'm gonna do like a mock
for fun. Real quick, and Yeah like i'll get like they'll, be,
like OH like i can't believe he took so and
so in the, Third round like that's why they gave
YOU a d because he should be taken in. The sixth,
i'm like that's just because that's what their ranking. System
has That doesn't that's just, One place it's just. One

(01:37:41):
thing Any other day three edges that you want to
talk about or?

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
Hit On.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
UH so i kind Of Mentioned.

Speaker 5 (01:37:49):
QUAY robinson i think he's a Really interesting day, three
edge sort Of Like Alabama's jalen walker as a guy
that played, Off LINEBACKER like i would say it felt
like a majority or at least like half of, his
snaps but like his best tape is rushing. THE passer

(01:38:09):
i Actually Thought quay robinson's linebacker tape was Better Than,
jalen walkers which like didn't really move me. At all,
But Yeah quay robinson has he holds like arguably the
most dominant long arm rep in this, entire class where
he like if you pause it at a, certain Point

(01:38:31):
The south carolina right tackle is like two feet off of.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
THE ground i was, to say it's it's, the repler
like he's coming from, you know the camera Angles behind
bama's defense and he's coming from the left side against
the right tackle and he gets him on the inside
shoulder and just jacks him.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
Up, Completely yep and like, you know he's he's fast.

Speaker 5 (01:38:53):
And EXPLOSIVE but i think, my my my issue with
him is And like i've got him one nineteen on,
MY boy i think he's he's a sleeper, for sure
but his bend isn't great based on like his the,
you know you normally expect kind of the speed rusher
types to have a, better bend and he's not Like

(01:39:15):
a he isn't a consistently effective. Power rusher he has
some flashes, of dominance but he's not like gonna push,
the pocket, you know snap. After snap, but yeah an interesting.
Developmental guy and, YOU know I never i never really

(01:39:35):
have Too many day three edge Rushers that i'm like
a huge proponent of because it's either like this guy
has an incredibly low ceiling and he's gonna be like your,
edge five, or, like uh he's just such a such a,
project gamble.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
Know uh.

Speaker 5 (01:40:00):
That's there's just not a lot of guys that really,
excited me like super late in, the draft because if
there's someone that, excited me, EXCITES me i give them an.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
Early draft, say no that's.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Super fair, but again that's part of the, reason why Like,
LIKE rucker i, feel like is the is my perfect
Kind of day Three where, i'm, like oh he does
a lot of really, good things but then.

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
Is just kind of similar.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
To THAT for i was going to ask you about
that because somebody and The chat, ron said what do
you guys Think About? Powell ryley he seems a bit tight.
BUT powerful i thought this was a great way to
phrase It from ron and the chat because the there
is the power you see the explosion, through contact, the
tightness the tightness in his. OVERALL build i feel like

(01:40:43):
he's top heavy and the tightness. Bothers me but what are? Your, thoughts.

Speaker 5 (01:40:49):
YEAH SO i i just briefly mentioned HIM because i
watched like the first five games of, his SEASON but
i watched them like in, real TIME so i watched
them so long AGO that i barely remember that much about.
His TAPE but i did give him a mid fifth
round grade based off, of THAT and i, need, To

(01:41:11):
like i'm working on an edge, drinkings video so he's
he's one of the GUYS that i need to like catch.
Up ON BUT i i do remember liking some of
his tape and like he tested. Really WELL and i
would Also Say colin Oliver For oklahoma state who, got
injured but he's like a linebacker to edge convert and

(01:41:34):
apparently Had like i've seen some, people say like his
twenty twenty three tape was a. LOT better i watched
a few games of twenty, Twenty, three, LIKE yeah, I
thought i think he can be like a decent speed
to power like powerful speed rusher type of archetype.

Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
Of, player oh, very fair.

Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
Very, fair yeah there's a LOT of i have to
because his edge class is. SO deep i really do
feel like THERE'S like i have to get through like
thirty edges to be able because. THEY'RE man i feel
like there's so many dart throw guys on. Day three
but it's, really fun really fun grouping and a lot.
Of value like we talked about FOR this, I mean
i think even, just reflected Like when i'm putting the

(01:42:15):
time stamps together for. This episode the second segment where
we talked about the round two guys is so much
longer compared to everything else because there's so, much value
especially in, round two but the, Round two round three
guys at edge it even maybe into early four depending
on who falls where we see. Some runs i'm really
interested to kind of see how this grouping as a

(01:42:37):
whole like falls out and. Plays, through james anything on
your MIND before i let you go for the rest of. The, night.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
Yeah have you?

Speaker 5 (01:42:48):
Heard that have you Heard that Drake song mothballs where
HE'S like i was stressing over bills Like a.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
Buffalo, FAN no i, have no.

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
THAT'S wild i didn't. Know, That yeah i've.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
Been that that song has been stuck in my head.

Speaker 5 (01:43:02):
All day, He's like i'm not gonna, sing it, BUT
yeah i, ALWAYS uh i always think of y'all Hear
at cover ONE when i, hear That and, i'm, like
man these these last, few years it must have, been stressful,
like fun, but UH because i envy As a titans
fan being in the.

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
Key moments, But yeah i'm rooting for y'all to get
over the hump. FOR sure i.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
Appreciate, that yeah It's been i've always said it like like,
growing up all the adults in, my family like men,
and women would all talk about like The nineties bills
and as if it was like some would talk about
is like how revered they were and how great, they
were but a lot of like family and friends and
just adults talked about it like it was like, war

(01:43:43):
stories like all people's grandparents talk About like vietnam. Or
WHATEVER AND i i have, always, SAID like i don't
THINK if i was in my consciousness now, LIKE then
I think i would have mentally broke with Four Straight
super bowls and four, straight losses, BECAUSE like i. Just
can't i'm very grateful That the bills are like successful
now And a final four team every YEAR And afc

(01:44:05):
championship appearances and winning. The division, but man it's like
it's just so tough to get, like close and then
you feel like you're getting there and then. You're not
And these bills teams don't have anything compared to going
to four straight and then losing. All four it's, just,
yeah man it's it's it beats the drought and it
it's beats being a laughing stock for forever ever since,

(01:44:27):
uh god That Stupid music. City, miracle man, that's stupid.
Stupid game, Oh man AND then i rooted.

Speaker 5 (01:44:36):
It In the Titans Aren't the titans aren't even, a laughing.
Laughing stock they're, just irrelevant like, no one. No one
it's like the the MEME like i don't think about you.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
At all that's exactly what.

Speaker 1 (01:44:46):
It, Is YEAH but i mean they have some stuff
to hang their. Head on, who knows maybe they'll turn.
The tide any anything you got, coming out anything you
have put, out recently or anything you got coming out
that you want to plug before you.

Speaker 5 (01:44:57):
Say, goodbye yeah check out my YouTube channel doing positional
rankings there and just posted receiver rankings going went through
like forty.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
Two players so.

Speaker 5 (01:45:09):
A lot of good information there and you can find
my YouTube channel just if You Search. James foster it
should be the first thing that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
Pops up james, does sincerely good work for those of
you who, don't KNOW but i should hope you know. By,
NOW yeah I think i first head. YOU on I
think i don't remember if we First hit we met during.
DRAFT season i think maybe like two or three, seasons
ago and then We Did Bill's Tight bill's. Titans episode
we've done multiple. Draft episodes, and yeah for those who,

(01:45:37):
Don't know james does between tape and analytics and knowing what's,
up like does a sincerely good job in terms of,
player evaluation, prospect rankings, big board his individual. Player boards
and it's not as we talked about and alluded, to
earlier it's not reflective of other. People's boards, you know
it is truly what he thinks and it's based on

(01:45:57):
a lot of, tape study a lot, of time and
a lot. Of effort it is well worth. Your time
so if you haven't checked, his workout go give it.
A look see and you have one of the best
Handles on Twitter At no, flag's FILM which i think is.
Absolutely tremendous i'd like to shout that out, Every, time
james you. CRUSHED it i appreciate. The, hell idia go
enjoy what's left Of your. Tuesday night I'm sure i'll
see you On social, and yeah thanks for. STOPPING by

(01:46:20):
i appreciate the hell.

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
At you thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
Man later good Stuff From. JAMES foster i talked to
him a couple weeks ago and kind of prepping for
this episode to making sure that he. Was available, so yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:46:36):
He is he's a.

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
Good dude really good work and good stuff and good
stuff from everybody in the chat in this episode. As
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you for all the kind words coming through the chat
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Words for james from the chat throughout the entirety of.
This episode, and yeah this is the first in these
series of kind of these positional deep dives that we
are going. TO have i have another Guest, Next tuesday,
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(01:49:05):
then another guest the following week after that for another,
position grouping and then another guest for the following week
to kind of build out what The Perfect buffalo bills
draft will. Look like so it's kind of a, mock
draft kind. Of not and, So yeah i'm very excited
for the next several weeks and the GUESTS that i
have lined up for each week. For THAT so i

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