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I'm your host, Anthony Prohaska. Find me on Twitter at
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just p R O A n T. In tonight's episode
of Disguise coverage, we will be diving into several Buffalo
Bills training camp pieces. Now that Bill's camp is essentially,

(02:02):
you know, complete with its first week roughly they had
an off day on Saturday, but we're especially through the
first week of Bills training camp. Have the scrimmage coming
up this upcoming Friday. Before we know it, preseason football
for the Bills will be right around the corner. There's
also preseason football for the NFL this week Thursday. I
believe it's the Hall of Fame game between the Chargers
and I forget who else, But we have some semblance

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of football coming down the pike league wide, and even
more so for the Bills coming up in a couple
of weeks. And you know today, you know we're gonna
get through this throughout the show. But just a slew
of different I was gonna say random, but it's not
really random. A slew of injuries have hit this Bills team.
We started out with some guys getting banged up or
being already banged up coming into the start of training camp,

(02:48):
not suiting up at all at this point. Then we've
had guys who have you know, picked up some knocks
throughout you know, the first week and coming into this week,
and there's just been a slew guys going down, slew
of injuries, both from a quantity perspective and from like
a quality perspective in terms of the guys who are
picking up these knocks and getting hurt in the variety

(03:08):
of injuries that we've seen. So it's thrown some of
the competitions and some of the reps, and some of
the drills and some of the work and some of
the performances that we've seen or read about into kind
of a bit of a muddy situation. So we're going
to talk about that tonight, but overall we're going to
frame that within the larger context of how this Bill's
roster is starting to shape out one week into training camp,

(03:31):
what we've seen from a competition perspective, what we've seen
amongst several position groups of interests coming into camp and throughout.
I have been to three practices as of today. Last
one was this past Sunday. I'm looking to go again
towards the back end of this week and attend the
scrimmage as well. So a lot of what we will

(03:53):
be going over tonight is based on my own individual
valuations being there, seeing things live and in person, going
over and then also tying together with some notes from
some folks that I do trust, some people who've done
some extra work and have been there every day, and
me being able to piece some things together on the
days that I haven't been there. And as always, as
we are here on the show, any questions, thoughts, comments, concerns,

(04:13):
anything you folks have, anything training camp related, or bills related,
football related, whatever, wrestling related, if you'd like, feel free
to put it up into the comments and I'll pull
it up as much as I physically impossibly can. As always,
super chats get priority because I respect the monetary donation,
but also the color attracts me from my notes and
brings me back towards the comments and the screen. So yeah,

(04:36):
if there's anything on your mind, or if you have
a question on somebody that you feel like hasn't been
talked about enough, or a question on a specific aspect,
feel free to put up in chat. We will go
through it throughout this episode. Appreciate the people tuning in
live It's always nice to have some good attendance when
we do these shows live, and especially when I'm solo,
it makes me feel like I'm not alone, So I
appreciate everybody stopping buying me here live. What's up Jason?

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What's up? Charles? What's up? RJ? Who love this from
RJRJ says, looking forward to another trip to One Pie
again before the Blue and Red Scrimmage this Friday? RJ?
Are you going to get the Cover one pizza again?
The Cover one Josh Allen Goat? Or are you going
to get something else? I need to know? Also, what
did you think of the blue cheese? I don't know

(05:17):
if you're a blue cheese guy or not, but one
of my favorite pieces of what they do is their
homemade blue cheese. I would like to know your thoughts
on that. I don't think I got your thoughts last time.
I think it was just on the Alan Goat and
how good it was, which is also fair. What's up?
Blue Lou says, It's a good evening to have a
good evening. Here's hoping our guys can get healthy in
a hurry. One thousand percent and absolutely also shout out
to you Lou, you are one of my more consistent

(05:39):
supporters over on Blue Sky, and I enjoy being over there,
so I appreciate you for that. Okay, Maury says, getting
some sacrifices ready for my altar to heal the injured Bills. Yeah. Man,
it's again. We're gonna get into it within these position
groups and some of the pieces today in general, but
it was I had a busy day at work today,

(06:00):
but I was kind of tying in some pieces where
I could on Bill's camp, and I felt like every
I had a decent amount of time in the morning
to kind of take a peek at some things, and
I feel like every time I went back to look
at something Bills related, it was like, oh, so and
So just went down. So and So went down, up
so and so is hurt, up so and So is
in the medical tent. And that was on top of
guys who have already missed days and already being injured.

(06:24):
It's it's definitely put a bit of a damper on things,
and we're seeing injuries league wide across the league. But
I do feel like again, as is not tradition, but
as his customary went with the started training camp but
I feel like the Bills are really towards the top
of the league in terms of quality or quantity, but
also guys that have been hurt as well. Roy says,
are you cool with Gunther being World championing? And Yeah,

(06:45):
I think gun Thro is fantastic. I was a huge
fan of him back when he was still known as Walter,
and I'm just happy that I didn't think he would
ever be a guy that would get a shine or
or proper run in WW because of what he looked like,
even though I thought he was an awesome wrestler. But
they've done a great job kind of pushing him to
the moon a bit. I really hope he doesn't lose
the punk because I cannot stand punk. I also I

(07:07):
keep track of WWE. I don't really watch it because
of I don't the n ring week to week doesn't
really do enough for me. I like aw Moore and
New Japan because they treat it more like the sport
of professional wrestling. But yes, I am very much cool
with Gunther. I think he's absolutely tremendous come in here.

(07:30):
With how long it's taking, I think it's not as
bad as it could be. That's fair because if it was,
they'd know immediately. No, that's fair with some of the injuries, right,
I think that's a fair point because if they if
they know, or if they knew immediately, it would be bad.
Like oh so, and so it's done, especially with the
Hairston pieces kind of like you know, you're seeing them
check the stability of the knee, but there's no definitive yep,
he tore his acl and so there is a fair

(07:51):
point that kind of waiting and knowing there is building
that anticipation and anxiety. But also it could potentially be
a good thing because if it was definitive, usually it's
more towards the negative side. So that's a fair point.
And I was like, and then the gold bills from Korea,
we're global out here like that, like that, like that.
RJ says. Probably the Meat Lover's pizza they have next
their blue cheese was phenomenal. I'm a huge blue cheese guy.

(08:12):
Absolutely absolutely, Oh, Lou says, anything I could do to
help out here in the PNW, Yeah, the Pacific Northwest.
Super proud of the Mafia for showing up well in
Seattle last year, by the way, Absolutely good call, RJE says, Yeah,
these injuries are destroying our collective mental health. It felt
like every five minutes there was another name, especially with
how this team. They were so healthy early on in

(08:35):
the McDermott and being tenure, and then I feel like
the last several years they haven't had a ton of
injuries from a volume perspective, but it felt like important
guys kept getting hurt. And then it felt like they
turned the corner again with Spencer Brown being healthy and
now he comes into camp banged up after having an
already like injury filled start to his career, and it's
the back again, which is also scary. It's tough. Connor says,

(08:57):
I'm numb and can't be brought down by injury news
since Malana last year. That's fair, good comment. R J says,
aaw over WW at least from my own personal style
of wrestling, I like, I completely agree. That's just kind
of the style like gravitate towards I gravitate towards the
Ring of Honor, New Japan indie type of wrestling style
and peak peak wrestling for me, I don't know, I

(09:19):
don't remember what the years were, but peak wrestling for
me is New Japan pro wrestling from like twenty twelve,
twenty thirteen through like twenty nineteen, like wrestling will never
in ring wrestling will like never be better for me
in that point. And that's just the style like gravitate
towards and I think AW is built in that mold. Ironically,

(09:42):
they have a lot of New Japan guys and a
lot of ring on Hunter guys. But yeah, man, that
especially with what a aw's do now, absolutely cooking. Who yeah, absolutely,
Roy says, I've heard some saying that White meaning tray Away,
has looked really good in camp and others saying he's
showing his age and then the little thoughtful kind of emoji.
What's your take parentheses opinion. We're gonna lead off with

(10:04):
Trey White and the cornerback position grouping, so that's an
excellent segue. Roy also says, I don't watch wrestling anymore,
just kept some highlight reels on YouTube. Yeah, that's what
I do for WWAW. I watch regularly, New Japan I
watch regularly as well. So let us dive into this
first piece. Okay, got the header and the banner up

(10:26):
there that says Bill's training camp position battles. So the
comment there from RJ asking about Trey White, and that's
the first position I want to lead off with here
in specific in specifically referencing Trey White, but the cornerback
position in general. I think it is an absolute dog fight.
And I want to preface this by mentioning the injury
piece to Max Harrison. Again, Max Harrison, if you are unaware,

(10:46):
went down in practice today Tuesday, July twenty ninth, went
down non contact injury. Multiple players reporter multiple reporters mentioned
that player as saying it was like a freak kind
of trip up. But anytime you see non contact, anytime
it's non contact and someone is grabbing at their ankle,
anytime it's non contact, if someone's grabbing at their ankle

(11:07):
or their knee, it's not ideal. He goes down non contact.
Trainers are working on his knee. They're doing the old
stability test with his knee, which is usually you're trying
to check, you know, as the meniscus intact, is the
ACL intact. All things that are not ideal. Now, he
was carried kind of walked off, carried off a little bit.
Haven't heard anything definitive or conclusive about that as of now,

(11:28):
but you've got the injury to Max Harriston. Aside from that,
I'm going to treat this like, Hey, until we know
that Harston's done or is going to miss time, I'm
going to treat it like, you know, he'll be back eventually.
We're going to treat this like the battle that it is.
I do think Trey White has looked good in camp

(11:49):
and even to the I thought he would be a
fine CB three, right. I thought, you know, his experience
in the system, his skill set, his traits. I thought
he had some flashes on tape last year. I know
someone might jump in and be like, what do you
mean flashes? Like he got cut by the Rams, he
was like a dime corner for the Ravens. I thought
there was still some encouraging pieces for him last year

(12:12):
on the tape, and I think Trey again coming back
from the injuries that he's coming back from. I do
think it's this weird kind of trying to almost catch
lightning in a bottle a bit. I feel like with each
passing year that he stays healthy, he gets further away
from those injuries and has the potential to get healthier
and get better. But also another year is another year older,

(12:36):
potentially more miles on the tires. You're kind of losing
some of your juice and your speed and your quickness.
So it's this weird, almost kind of like No man
Land situation that he's caught in. And I didn't know
what completely to expect from him coming into camp, but
right from the jump, you know, seeing him on Wednesday,
seeing so on day one Wednesday, on day two, on Thursday,

(12:57):
and then I saw him again on Sunday on day four.
Just good short area burst, good juice, good lower body movement.
He looked. And I want to also preface this too.
You folks know how superstich as I am. Major major
fingers crossed and no jinks with everything positive that I
say in this episode, also in general, that should be
a blanket rule and statement for the show going forward.

(13:17):
But the biggest thing for me with Trey is I
thought he looked healthy. He was moving like he was healthy,
especially in his lower body. The footwork, the hit movement, planting,
change of direction, being able to you know, break down
and twist and turn everything. This did not look like
someone who had multiple significant lower body injuries, which was

(13:40):
tremendous to hear and what also I think helps for
him at this stage in his career. He was never
a guy whose game was predicated on speed and athleticism.
He was never a pitcher that well, man, you know,
he throws like ninety nine miles an hour with that fastball,
doesn't really have a second or third pitch. But man,
he'd throw the heat, and that heat is hard to hit,

(14:01):
and so it wasn't like, well, yeah, but once he
gets to his late twenties early thirties and he's only
throwing ninety four or ninety three, is he going to
be able to last. He's always been more of a
guy who he had a second pitch, He had a
third pitch, He had a fourth pitch, like he could.
He was a good pitcher. He was somebody who won
off of technique, off of footwork, off of body position

(14:22):
and leverage and hand placement, and being able to read
route distributions and function within his you know, zone coverage
responsibilities and assignments, being able to collect, being able to
pass off, even being able to function a man in
a variety of ways. He was such a technique based
player that I think his skill set ages gracefully. Now

(14:43):
you can also be play devil's advocate and play the
other side and say, yeah, but you know what, if
you're not the most athletic dude, or you're not the fastest,
as you get older, you're only going to get more
on athletic and less fast. So you know where does
that kind of fall into things? Which is a fair point.
But I do think before the injuries happened, and those
are variables, obviously they're thrown into it. I always thought

(15:03):
he had a skill set that would age gracefully because again,
he was the type of pitcher who could pitch. He
was like a Greg Maddox type of pitcher, Like you've
got four or five quality pitches you can throw. You're
not predicated on pure power. It's built on location and
technique and keeping hitters off balance. I thought he would
age well. He's looked good in camp to start now,

(15:26):
independent of what Harston has done or what he's been
or the injury, I thought Trey has looked good multiple
really good coverage reps in terms of passing off and
collecting some really good man coverage reps. He's battled, he's
been in phase, he's been sticky. I know he got
beat during camp today. At one point by Steven Gosnell.
I know there's even a couple other times too. I

(15:46):
saw him get beat at times in coverage. I think
a key piece. Also, I want to put this out
there and I'm not knocking anyone. I'm not gatekeeping anything.
I'm not doing any of that something. And this is
kind of related to Trey, but also just related to
coverage and receive pieces in general. Take everything with a
grain of assault. Whenever you see like, oh, you know,
so and so caught a pass and they beat so

(16:07):
and so on the play, unless it's pure man coverage,
it's it's tough to discern who's getting quote unquote beat
on the play. Somebody might be the nearest defender to
the target catching the pass, and that defender might not
be responsible for that receiver being open or that tight
end being open or whoever. So keep that in mind.
The nearest defender doesn't always mean and that's usually how

(16:29):
it gets tracked. Right. If Christian Benford is close the
closest guy to Kean Coleman, and ke On Coleman makes
the catch, someone's gonna be like, oh, you know, catch
by Keon Coleman beat Christian Benford on the play. Coleman
might not have been Benford's assignment or responsibility on that play.
He just ended up being the closest guy in that
picture when somebody realized, oh hey Keon Coleman made a catch,

(16:50):
oh and Benford was right there. He must have beat Benford.
Tayso always take those notes with a grain of assaut
when it comes into camp. People I don't think aren't
necessarily looking at the coverage or knowing the cover, being
able to discern, okay, this is what so and so
was supposed to do that. You know that guy that
got opened was really someone else's responsibility, or there was
a coverage bus so on and so forth. I kind
of just want to put that out there. But yeah,

(17:11):
Trey has looked good again. It was the short area
bursting quickness for me that really did it. Him being
able to cover whip routes and you know, stops and
hitches and being able to be in his pedal and
slow play it and then just trigger and shoot. I
wasn't expecting that level of short area burst in quickness,
whether it was just from the age thing or the injuries,

(17:32):
or just how he always kind of was as a player.
I wasn't expecting yet. I thought he has looked good.
We'll see how Max Harriston's health goes up until this point,
you know, prior to the injury, I thought Harriston had
some really good high highs. He also had some low lows.
There was, you know, the nice PBu on day one,
but he also gets that PBu because he kind of
gets beaten inside a little bit, but he has the
recovery speed to recover and get the PBu. Right before that,

(17:56):
he had a really nice break on the ball where
he almost had an interception on the side line against
Curtis Samuel. I think quarterback just fit the ball in there.
But then he's also had some coverage bus He's also
had some mistakes, which again I think is par for
the course for rookies in general, but especially corners. I
think corner is one of the hardest positions to play

(18:17):
in all of football. It's just so tough, especially in
today's NFL and the type of dudes you have to
cover in the variety of coverages you have to execute,
especially the defense like the Bills, where they're trying to
build out all these adjustments and checks and being assignment
sound based on motion and alignment and shifts and all
that kind of stuff. But I wanted to mention these
two and kind of lead off with this one because

(18:37):
obviously the injury to Hairston is notable today and we'll
see what that yields. But two, I thought Trey has
looked good, and I've seen a lot of people kind
of knocking Trey looking good, or maybe I should say
Tray looking better than Hairston and conflating that with that
meaning Hairston sucks, and that meaning that, like the bills

(18:59):
are cooked you quot unquot. Everybody loves to use that
phrase nowadays, But the bills are cooked because Tray is
old and washed. So if Tray looks like he's gonna
be CB two, that means the bill CB two competition
sucks because Trey has to suck. I don't think that's
the case at all. I don't think Trey looking good
and performing well in camp and being written about positively
across the board. I don't think that's due to nostalgia.

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I don't think that's due to Hairston looking bad or
anybody else looking bad. Trey has legitimately looked good as
a CB two and it helps that opposite him is
Christian Benford or whoever's gonna play CB two. Opposite of
them is Christian Benford, who's a true CB one at
this point and gives you a lot of flexibility and
firepower at that CB one spot. But Tray has looked good,

(19:43):
and the better Tray looks, that does not mean Harston
looks worse. I Again, I thought Harston, even on day
one and day two, for as good as Tray looked,
I thought Hairston was. I thought Harston had higher highs
than Trey. He just unfortunately had lower lows. And again,
considering Trey's experience, his familiarity with this defense, it makes

(20:07):
sense that someone like him is going to come in
and just be consistent and ready at that spot. You're
not going to have those ebbs and flows, those peaks
and valleys that a rookie would, especially one like Max Harston,
who does play more to the athleticism and the juice
than he does to the technique and the polish and
the refinement. So they're two different types of players, both

(20:28):
operating in different ways. But I think Tray has looked
good him and Harston day one and day two. Trey
got the lion's share of CB two reps with the
ones Harston got worked in there a bit. I would
say the first two days was probably like sixty forty
in favor of Trey. Day four, when I was there
in camp, I think it was further than that. I

(20:49):
would say it's probably like eighty twenty in favor of Trey. So,
regardless of the injury, I think Trey is the front
runner for CB two right now, starting with the ones
starting on this defense opposite of Christian Benford. That does
not mean Harriston can't get better. Doesn't mean Harriston won't
eventually beat him out or overtake him. It doesn't mean
Trey is bad. That doesn't mean Harston is bad. All

(21:09):
these negativity pieces and things that I've seen, I don't
think it means any of that. I think Tray has
looked good. I don't think this means, of course, because
McDermott doesn't play rookies, all these added conclusions that are
jumped to off of this one thing, I do not
think that's the case. I genuinely think Tray has look good.
We'll see what happens when the bullets are live, right,
We'll see what happens in preseason. We'll see what happens

(21:31):
in regular season. I think that's obviously a key piece.
Camp will only tell us so much. You know, once
pads start really popping and bullets are live, will we'll
start to get a better picture of the team in
general and the players in general. But again, I've seen
a lot of knocks on you know, Tray looking good
or him beating Harriston meaning that that's bad. I think again,
Tray's looked good. His fit it makes sense, and he

(21:53):
can push or beat out a healthy Max Harriston because
he offers more consistency, his meek is more sound, and
then he looks good physically on top of it, and
his familiarity with the defense everything. So I think Tray
has looked very good. We'll see what Harriston's hell. Again,
this whole conversation could be moot because if Harston toward
his ACL or he had something serious, Trey is going

(22:15):
to be your CB two and everything else really doesn't matter.
What I also wanted to mention within the Trey and
Harriston conversation cornerback in general, I think is going to
be a dog fight for making this team. You know,
you've got Harriston, You've got Trey, You've got Dane Jackson,
You've got Dornian Strong, you've got JaMarcus Ingram, You've and
JaMarcus Ingram had a tremendous interception on on Sunday in

(22:38):
in a Vacuum. If I'm talking about like the best
plays of training camp or maybe even the best play,
that interception from JaMarcus Ingram really is up there for me.
They were playing cover three. He's got his deep third responsibility.
The quarterback tried to fit it into the seam. He
read it, triggered, undercut it, jumped it, picked it. It
was such a really great and I like the type

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of player that he is. He's got inside outside versatility.
We saw him get some dime looks with the starters
last year when Taron Johnson was banged up to start
the year. Even someone like that like JaMarcus Ingram is
you know, one of the guys that quote unquote towards
the bottom of the depth chart. He's still somebody that
can play and he's really good on special teams. I
know everybody hates hearing that, but that does have value.

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So between Dane and Strong and Ingram and even Daikwon Hardy,
You've got cam Lewis, You've got Jordan Hancock. Like, there
is a lot of competition for the outside corner spots,
for the nickel spot, the backups, the roles. I really
do think corner is an absolute dogfight. It is one
of the positions I will have my eyes on most
when I'm watching tape this preseason. You know, even during

(23:45):
the scrimmage this Friday, every day that I'm at camp
going forward, corner really is an absolute dogfight. And if
Harston is out for any type of significant time, it
just bumps everybody up on that depth chart, a spot up,
and it just creates more competition. It probably creates another
opportunity for somebody to make the roster, but it creates
more competition because now Trey moves to CB two. So

(24:08):
then who's CB three? Is it Dame Jackson? Is it
Dorny and Strong? Is it JaMarcus Ingram? Is it somebody else?
Does cam Lewis have the nickel spot on lock? What
do you get from Jordan Hancock? Is he the nickel?
Is he? You know he's also getting some work at safety.
I really like that to Corey Couch. I know this
is a small one and it may be just because
I'm a Miami Hurricanes guy. I really like to Corey

(24:29):
Couch getting some look at safety. I'm really excited to
see him work at safety, just with the type of
physicality that he brings. I don't think he has the
juice and the chops to play slot and play corner
in the NFL like he did at Miami. I think
safety could be a really good fit for him. Like
they've got all these fun dbs, even in the safety
room to a degree as well, but really at the

(24:51):
corner spot outside and inside it outside CB and at Nickel,
it's an absolute dog fight at corner, one of the
best position battles that I think it's going to only
intensify as we go forward, as we start to see
preseason games, we start to see the scrimmage and again
on camp every day, like even though the receivers have
been banged up a bit, which is unfortunate because you're

(25:11):
not really getting good on good all the time like
you'd like to see corner even at the top, you know,
I think Trey and Harriston is a microcosm for that
corner grouping as a whole, which just being an absolute
dogfight at that spot to absolutely make this team. Charles says, love,
love Trey, but I'd be concerned if he's a Day
one starter. If the Bills want to play more man

(25:34):
on D it doesn't really mesh with his strengths. We're
gonna have to see how he handles and carries himself
in man, right. And I also don't think I don't
think they're going to be a team that's going to
predominantly play man. I do think he has enough chops
that he can play man to the level that they
want to play it. I don't again, I think they're
gonna use more man coverage in high leverage situations in

(25:56):
more specific areas. I don't think they're gonna be a
team that goes from I figure what their rage was
last year, but if their range was ten percent man
last year, I don't think they're going to jump up
to twenty. I think maybe you could see like fifteen
sixteen at the most, which is still a good percentage
point increase, but I think you'll see it more and
you know, on third downs or maybe in certain red
zone situations or maybe against certain looks. Also, again, because

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you've got Benford on the other side. It allows you
to do different coverage things and a lot of split
field stuff. You can play man to one side with Benford,
you can play zone to the other and still be competent.
Or you know, the type of man coverage you can
play doesn't necessarily have to be single high. If you
play two man, which is man coverage, or two safeties
over the top, Trey can do that all day because

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he can reroute a bit and get into a trail technique,
and if he has a safety over the top, I think,
you know, I think that can still get the job done.
And then even if we're getting into other things, the
odd mirror pieces and rushing three in the aggressive spy,
I do think he's capable enough. I don't think he's
going to be a plus defender and man coverage, but
I think he can do enough to get it done
that it's not going to significantly hinder the defense. Also,

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on top of that, Harriston may have the juice and
the athleticism and the traits that you'd like for man coverage,
he doesn't have a ton of experience in it. For
as much as the talk is like his speed and
athleticism and juice and recovery, speed and everything. He was
predominantly his own corner. In Kentucky. They ran a ton
of single high, a lot of Cover three, so he's
used to playing more off coverage and more zone than

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he is man. His man coverage stuff needs more polished
and needs more refinement. So Harriston may be the guy
that you see that speed and you're like, oh, that's
a man coverage guy all day, but he's not really
a man coverage corner yet at this point in terms
of a confidence level from from me and my evaluation.
But teach their own. But I recognize where it's coming from. Charles.

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I love this coming from Lewis as I'm not superstit
just a little stitches and he says Trey has always
had enough speed and athleticism to do the things, but
it was never what he had to lean on to
get the job done. Yeah, those guys tend to age
gracefully a bit. Judah loves slock Corners also recognize you
from Blue Sky. Thank you for being in the comments.
What's up? I went to camp the other day and

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it looked like Trey was ahead of Max. Max's reps
were pretty up and down. Yep, I concur I thought
Max had some reps where I was like, ooh, that's nice,
and then I had some ones where I was like, oh,
that's not good. But for me, that's nothing crazy because
that I kind of expect that from rookies in general,
but especially a corner. Corner is super hard to play
like in the NFL. It's just really, really, really tough. Oh,

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James says Trey has regained his fastball. I like you
continuing the metaphor or whatever, Alec, No, what am I
thinking of here? I don't know something along line's metaphor.
I'm losing my literary terms of my brain. I'm fried,
but I get what you're putting down, James, and I
like it. Lusas Sometimes I worry that Elam scrambled our

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collective brains. I think that's fair. John says two years ago,
Trey and Benford were starting CBS to open the season
and everyone was terrified of Benford playing like comes at
you fast. That it's fair. Roy says, I'll take Trey
over FN Dane Jackson. I think Dane got a bit
of a harsh rep when he was here. But I
think that's a fair point, James says, depending on Max's

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injury is a good question. Do you think Bean looks
for someone outside the team? I don't because I think
they're rightly or wrongly. I think they're comfortable and confident
with Trey being CB two, Dane being three, or JaMarcus
Ingram being three and them cobbling together a top four.
I could see them doing something like reaching out to
Rasoul Douglas or somebody who they liked from a culture

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standpoint and from a high floor standpoint. But there's not
really a lot of corners out there, unless like the
corner market for example, like a Sante Samuel Junior is
still out there, but he had neck surgery in April,
so he's a guy that's like it's just wonky out
there on the corner market. I think they would look internal,
if not, like make a call to Rastul Douglas and
kind of go from there. Maybe outside outside outside chance.

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This one's mainly for Joda Rosa outside outside chances to
find Gilmore, but I doubt it. Roy similar comment. If
there are anycb's available and free and see your trade,
not really at this point, I still would take a
flyer on a Sante Samuel Junior because I love his
game and the way he fits, but I don't know

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how healthy his neck is, and the fact that he's
still on the open market given his talent level, it's
got to be due to the neck and the surgery,
and that gives me big pause for concern, especially considering
we're already dealing with injuries now at this point. Rockvile says,
Ingram is like Mark Jinjack Mark Jingjerracks Verse has versatility

(30:34):
with the right booking in WCW and WWE, and then
goes to CMLL and crushes nice reference. I know that
this is Drew all day because Drew is such a
huge wrestling fan. I like this. I'm seeing multiple comments
a multiple people who mentioned Rasul Douglas and so yeah,
I'm not even gonna pull up those comments relating to it. Yeah,
I could see them calling him and kind of being like, hey, man,
you want to come be like CB four or CB three. Oh,

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this is a fair comment from rj Rte says Ifane
Jackson not necessarily the beginning part, but he says, if
Dane Jackson was in place of Kyrie in the AFC
Championship Game, we may actually win that game. Jackson isn't good,
but he isn't bad either. I think that's such a
good way to put it. Dane Jackson. For me, I
think he's just a high floor player. There's no great ceiling,
there's not a tony sexiness. I mean, he was one
of the few I forget how many because it was

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so many years ago. He was on a short list
of corners that had double digit PBUs his last year
as a starter with the Bills, and that was on
top of being in phase and not getting other pass
breakups that everybody like ripped him for. So yeah, I
think that's I think that's fair. Another position I want
to talk about here in terms of camp position battles.
This one a little lighter in terms of the conversation safety.

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I've talked about it so much on the show throughout
this offseason and even on last week's episode with Joe
Marino Taylor Rapp. I think is locked into a safety spot.
The other safety spot. It looks like it's Cole Bishop's
job to lose. I don't think Bishop has done necessarily
anything tremendous yet to say, oh yeah, he's locked out spot.
But I don't think he's done anything to lose it.
DeMar Hamlin has also gotten some reps with the Ones,

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so is Derek Forrest. But it looks like it's going
to be a pairing of Cole Bishop and Taylor Rap.
I think Bishop would really have to fall off a
cliff or throw up on himself to lose that job.
And he's done a couple of things that I thought
were nice, a couple of late safety spins and rotation
showing the athleticism, you know, blowing up some receivers as

(32:26):
a forced player, and kind of working through some things
on some screens, kind of n routes the flat. But
I expect it to be Rap and Bishop. It looks like,
again it's Bishop's job to lose, which we expect to
going into camp. He's really gonna have to fall off
a cliff to lose it. But we have seen some
other safeties get work with the ones, So just putting

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that out there. Another one that I think is interesting.
R J loves the marchin Jack comparison. I knew you'd
like that. Ji. You're probably one of the few people
in the chat who knows who Mark chin Jack is,
who's his partner Sean O'Hare right. It was gin Jack
and O'Hare right, most horrible at saying jin drack. That's
such a ton twister. Good comment from Roy. Roy says,
which is better at deep safety, Rapper Bishop, It's tough

(33:10):
some kind of speak out of both sides of my mouth,
both kind of Rap is a better processor who takes
better angles to the football. Bishop isn't as good of
a processor, but he's more athletic and has more range,
and has more better juice and has more better juice
and has better juice and athleticism to make plays. But

(33:30):
if you don't have the processing and the angles to
the ball, all that athleticism and juice isn't necessarily the
most valuable for what it's worth. Early on in camp,
when they've been going to single high safety looks, Bishop
has been the single high post safety and both Cover
one and Cover three. We started to see that tweak
a little bit going forward, but Bishop has predominantly been
the deep safety, whether that's going to happen and stay

(33:53):
come regular season or if they're just trying to get
him a ton of time on task in that realm
now because he doesn't have a lot of time on
task and the realm we'll see, But it's tough. I
in an ideal world, Bishop is your post safety or
your deep safety from a single high perspective, but it's
also again it's tough because he's got to make He's
got to be there from a processing and an angle standpoint

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and a reading of the game standpoint. But he's also
more athletic to man cover tight ends and running backs
close to the line of scrimmage than Rap is, so
it's a bit wonky. And then from a split field look,
I think both are fine. From a split field perspective,
Rap has still proven time and time again that he
can function from a coverage world and from a run
fit world as a deep safety and a too high look.
So I'm I'm not, you know, worried about the two

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high pieces, but single high, it's it's a little a
little of B like six and one a half a
dozen of the other. Even to what loose is here,
Probably gonna gotta say Rap for now simply because he's
done the job at the NFL level. But both in
neither that's exactly right. That ye, both, but also neither. Yeah,
that's where we're at. Another competition again. So I know

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there's several position battles and competitions across the roster, but
I wanted to touch on corner. I wanted to touch
on safety briefly. And then one that I think is
really interesting is tight end Dawson Knox placed on the
non football injury list to start training camp, which essentially
means he got hurt working out on his own. I
think he tweets his hamstring working out or doing something,

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so we have not seen him in camp at all.
So he's been out every day and then Kincaid missed
a day. That has given Zach Davidson and Jackson Hawes
a lot of reps with the ones. Even Reggie Gilliam
as well, who's gotten work as a tight end. And
you know, in added looks where maybe they were going
to be able to go twelve but instead they're going
to go twenty one personnel and put Gilliam out on

(35:41):
the field. But kind of focusing on Hawes a lot
of reps with the ones for him, his blocking has
really stood out. I noted it each almost each day
in practice, like just it sounds different when he hits
pads an individual and in drills like he's got pop
in his hands and some shock. He really like looks
to hit and latch onto guys and drive and people move.

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And then you see it in the team portions as well.
I noted especially him, him and Reggie Gilliam front side
on run blocks. They're just people moving all day and
creating displacement, both at the at the first level on
the defensive line and then climbing up to the second level.
They are just creating alleys and gaps for running backs
to run through. Like Hawes is really just a prototypical
you want to run zone to his side, you want

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to run duo. You know, well you're always run to
do to the tight end side, but you know you
want him as the tight end on du well, whether
he's in line or even as an insert guy. Just
he's done a really good job blocking. And the thing
that I want to keep mentioning, I don't think Jackson
Hawes is a plus, you know, receiving threat as a
tight end. I don't think he's Sam Laporta. I don't

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think he's Tray McBride. I don't think you know, he's
not dealing. Okay, he's not even Dawson knox right. I
don't think he has that, but he is functional and
athletic enough, with enough you know, explosive type of movements
that he can be a pass catch threat from zero
to ten yards. You can send him on a little
drag route. You can send him on a you know,
an OTB route over the ball, or a sit route

(37:08):
in the middle of the field. You can put him
on a little you know, a little dig in the
in the low intermediate. He is not some you know, cumbersome,
you know, feet moving like they're stuck in cement bricks
type of tight end. Even though he is a blocking
first guy and more of a physical presence than he
is an athletic presence, he can move enough to be
a threat as a pass catcher. I really like what

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he's shown. I'm very excited to see him in the preseason.
Alex Barraski, UH Beat reporter, did a really nice piece today,
I think for Sports Illustrated where he spoke to Connor McGovern,
and Connor McGovern had multiple comments about Spender oh so
close to not saying Spencer Hawes Jackson Hawes. Brasky did
a piece and Connor McGovern spoke multiple times on how

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good of a blocker Jackson Hawes has been in the
difference that he's made, And again, as was foretold in
the prophecy, everybody and their mother was like, man, what
could he bring as a blocker? It's can be really
interesting to see him in this offense. But while I
think he has shown that potential in that capability and
tight ends, coach Rob Boris has been doing a lot
of work with him, constantly coaching him up, praising him

(38:15):
when he needs it, but constantly giving him feedback to improve.
I really do expect him to make this team a
tight end three, and I do expect him to be
used in packages more so than Quinton Morris was, and
even maybe to supplement the loss of a mac Collins
and give them some functionality in certain looks and packages,
formations and alignments that you might not be able to

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get with Dalton Kincaid as the second tight end there.
But the big thing for me, again, while all that
is understood and kind of the bar is set there,
I do think he's someone underrated as a pass catcher. Again,
not underrated in the terms of like, oh no, everybody's
sleeping on him. This is a thousand yard tight end
waiting in the wings. But he is someone that can
get out to the flat, can leak out, can run
a drag and potentially run away from some guys. And

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then because he is a bigger dude, he can break
an arm tackler too and kind of get forward a
little bit. So he's just not just some well he's
a statue and he's a run blocking guy only I
don't think he's this dual threat tight end, but he's
a plus plus run blocker and he's functional enough as
a pass catcher that you can go into twelve personnel
and he can still be a threat and allow you

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to live in the light and the dark and access
more of that menu without having to turn the page.
So those are the big position battles for me. Corner
starting at the top with Harston and Trey, but overall
just gonna be an absolute dogfight. Safety looks like it's
Bishop's job to lose and then tight end, and even
Davidson has shown some flashes as well. I just think
his skill set he's more like Dalton Kincaid light and

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I think that is already a role that is a
bit unique. He's a better blocker than Kinkaid probably so.
I just think it makes things a little wonky for him.
But he's been getting a lot of opportunity and again
as has Regie Gilliam, which I am very very very
excit for. Loosays how we always have seventeen tight ends
I want to carry on. The fifty three is beyond me.

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Roy says, would you say that Hawes is more of
a throwback tight end? Yeah, I would say he's more
of the kind of you you're more traditional, like inline
type of tight end, guy who can move on a
double team with a tackle and you know, move a
defensive end or an edge player, climb up to the
second lever, lever, climb up to the second level and
seal a linebacker absolutely murk a safety or a corner

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or a nickel. Yeah. I do think he's more of
a throwback type tight end. But he does have enough
athleticism too. He's again he's not like a full spread
tight end, but he can do enough where in today's NFL,
where offenses are trying to go condensed and they're trying
to access as much of the play calling menu without
having to turn the page as possible, I do think

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he's a good fit for modern football, even though he
is more of a throwback type tight end, if that
makes sense. Loo says they may not be said see
but Tyler Conklin's are fine. That is true comment IRVN
Rockbolt saying Hawes reminds me of Nate Geary. Great on
the radio, but can come in and hold for field
goals if you need him, But I'd rather have him
on the radio. Yeah. I was there to see it
live and in person between Reid Ferguson and Nate Geary,

(41:16):
five years worth of trash talking and taunts coming to Fruition.
It was fantastic. Charles says I want to see more
screen game two running backs and tight ends, especially Knox
very fair. John says is Hawes better than Lee Smith?
I haven't seen him take a real NFL snap yet,
so I always want to say, with a grain of salt,
I do think he's more of a pass catching threat.

(41:38):
I think he's got a little more explosion to him
than Lee Smith. And yeah, I think he's a bit
more of a mall er, so I would say so, yes,
But again, he's never taken an NFL staff yet, so
we'll kind of see. I have not seen, Lou. I
see your question here. I have not noticed too much.

(42:04):
I'm going through some of my notes now. Yeah, No,
I haven't seen too much. For Kelly. I never even
try to pronounce the last name because I can never
get it correct. But no, honestly, I haven't seen much
from a wide receiver perspective in general throughout camp. We
have somebody that number to talk about as we go forward.

(42:25):
But to your point, I know he's super buried and done.
The roster shuffle. We'll see in the preseason. There's going
to be an opportunity for a lot of these receivers
to show out a little bit in the preseason, so
we'll see. Lou says, Hey, that in and of itself
is an answer. Yeah, receiver. I went in being like, oh,
I want to see receivers. Ironically or maybe not, I
was super annoyed. Usually wide receiver corner one on ones

(42:45):
are on that first Sunday. They weren't. They were yesterday
on Monday, so I missed it, which annoyed the hell
out of me. But no, I haven't seen too much
receivers in general. There were a couple of pieces I noted,
but I thought of the receivers were all kind of
a bit lackluster, except for not just for Kelly's sake. Again,
I'm not gonna try to pronounce the las name because
I always butcher it. So yeah, that's from a battle perspective.

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I know there's a couple others, but I think those
are the real main I think corner is the main
battle position in general, not just Trean Harriston, but across
the board. And then tight end is tight End's gonna
be really interesting because Dawson Knox has an injury history
and if he continues to get banged up. My initial
thought coming into the year was like, oh, man, you know,
I wonder if Jackson Hawes takes some snaps away from

(43:30):
Kincaid and it's Hawes and Knocks out there. Now I'm
sitting here thinking, is Knox not gonna get healthy? And
is it gonna be Hawes and Kinkaid out there? Which
or Gillium or Davidson potentially, Like it's interesting, lou throwing
out the phonics there of how to pronounce that last name.

(43:50):
I'm still not even gonna try to attempt it out
of respect and not to butcher it. But I appreciate
the hell, how do you lose? And I appreciate your confidence.
All right, next piece that I want to talk about.
We alluded to it a bit with Max Harston, but
I do want to touch on some of the injuries
that we've seen. Again, if Harriston's out for any significant

(44:13):
amount of time, whether it's the full year or it's like,
oh he's out for a month or two months or whatever,
he's gonna miss all the preseason. Anything that causes him
to miss anything more than a week, I think really
just kind of solidifies and signifies that Trey White is
going to lock down that CB two spot. Again, no

(44:34):
Jink's fingers crossed, all that kind of stuff. I think
Tray is ahead of Max right now, even if they
were both healthy and there were no injuries. And again
that's not because Harston is terrible, and that isn't a
horrible thing because oh Tray is washed. So the fact
that he's ahead means the Bill's corners are screwed, YadA, YadA,
doesn't mean any of that. Trey has, like you talked
about earlier, Trey has looked good. Max has looked good.

(44:55):
Max has just had more inconsistency than Trey has which
is to be expected. I move too much through the
camera to focus, which is to be expected given Tray's familiarity,
experienced Max's lack thereof, so on and so forth, all
those things. But I do think again, any Trey was
already gonna push Max for the spot and was already

(45:16):
getting the lion's share, and got more of the lion's
share of starters reps as each day has passed a camp.
So if Max missus any time or as any type
of hindrances, it just furthers that even further Further's that
even further? Yeah, that's not incorrect. Verbage Another one, Spencer
Brown back injury. We still don't know the severity, you know,
being talked about it on a day one kind of

(45:36):
it being more precautionary and you know, guys know their bodies, yadayada,
all that kind of coach and GM speak. I am
worried because anytime I see a back injury come back
for a guy who's had issues with his back his
first like three years in the league, I find that troublesome.
But we'll see the type of severity for him going forward.

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But his injury has given Tyland grable and Ryan Vandermark,
both of those guys opportunities to work with the ones,
and I want to see it's been tough. All the
days that I was there, there were no pads. They
had shells on Sunday, and it's really hard for me.
Not necessarily hard, but I just don't like to evaluate

(46:17):
trench work when there's no pads on. So I think
overall thing grable. In terms of snapshare, I'd probably they're
actually close because vander Mark started to get more throughout
the week, but Spencer Brown being out, he's really given
Ryan Vandam Mark and Tyler Grabil the opportunity to kind
of work at right tackle. Grabile has also gotten work

(46:38):
at left tackle. He looks to be more of the
swing guy, whereas Vandam Mark is. Vando Mark I always
thought was better at left than he was right, but
then he showed some niceness at right tackle when he
filled in for Spencer Brown last year, famously on the
final couple drives against Kansas City in the regular season.

(46:59):
But I thought Grabel was one of the you know,
shining stars of the preseason last year and made the team.
The length of the athleticism, the potential development you have
in and of that, And I do think the old
offensive line is interesting to note because next year, well
after the season, Connor McGovern's a the UFA. David Edwards
is a UFA. So are you potentially trying to rebuild

(47:20):
that offensive line? You know, are you trying to kick
maybe someone into guard at some point? Is Alec Anderson
going to be next up at gard center and then
Grabl becomes the sixth offensive lineman or however it is,
But at the very least, you know Grabel and vander
Mark look to be your guys that if Spencer Brown
misses any time, it's gonna be one of those two
dudes at right tackle. And the preseason will go a
long way towards solidifying that. Again, I watched them in Spurts.

(47:46):
I'm not really trying to evaluate trench play when there's
no padsox it it counts, but also is kind of
doesn't for me, But that's that's just me. So yeah,
a good mix for both Grabel and Ryan Vandermark with
the ones at right to linebackers I think is interesting
as well. Dorian Williams has been banged up, Terrell Bernard

(48:06):
has been banged up. That has given Bayle inspector, Shaq
Thompson and Joe Andreesen all semblances of opportunity with the
ones and the twos at linebacker, each of them kind
of working with each other at the one spot and
at the two spot, rotating in and out with Matt
Malano with the ones. So it's interesting to kind of
see how that's played out. They've all gott an opportunity.

(48:29):
Shaq Thompson has made a couple of nice plays. I
know the injury concerns, and on tape last year, I
didn't love his tape even before the injury. Like you
can tell, there's a lot of mileage on the tires
and he doesn't move so great anymore from a lower
body perspective. But for better or for worse, he he's
multiple times too while camp I have not been looking
for him, and he just seems to be in the

(48:51):
right place at the right time making a play on
the ball or making you know, being dropping deep enough
in coverage that the quarterback has to try and put
it over him and it allows it, you know, a
corner or safety to make a play on the ball.
And you know, we kind of think we know at
this point what we have Inspector, or maybe not because
he's been banged up a bit as well. You know,
I know Andresen would be a huge fan favorite for

(49:11):
a lot of folks. But the camp in the preseason
is going to do a lot for someone at linebacker.
There is a vacuum of power at linebacker that someone
is going to grab, especially if these injuries still continue.
And even you know, Bernard's had some injury pieces throughout
his career, Dorian has been banged up a little throughout

(49:33):
his career. Milano has been banged up a little throughout
his career. So there's an opportunity like all three of
those guys could end up seeing some reps at some point,
or Ula Fohio comes through the linebacker position. I think
is going to be interesting because you're not I don't
think whether they're Herd or not. I don't think you're
going to see a lot of Milano or Bernard in
the preseason. Dorian Williams will kind of see. So you're

(49:56):
gonna get a lot of opportunities for Bail, Inspector, Shaq Thompson,
and Joe Andresen at those linebacker spots in the preseason.
And if these injuries continue in camp, They're going to
get a lot of those reps in camp as well,
and then again we'll kind of see what does you
know lafohiob or maybe even you know Jenkins does something.
But it'll be interesting. I yeah, I think it's more

(50:21):
from a depth perspective and from a special team's perspective.
But we've seen the past several years, Bayle inspector has
seen real reps for this defense. Drrian Williams has seen
real reps for this defense when he wasn't supposed to.
So we're kind of going into almost the third consecutive
year where the Bills have had injuries with a linebacker spot.
We know from recent experience those you know your linebacker three,

(50:43):
linebacker four, maybe even linebacker five, you know caugh cough,
aj Klein coming off the couch and leaving vacation to
come start in a playoff game. We know that those
dudes can kind of come out of nowhere and have
to play meaningful snaps and there is a bit of
I think, you know, a vacuum of you know, power
that can be seized by one of those guys. So
we're gonna see a lot of Baal inspector, Shack Thompson

(51:04):
and Joe Andreyes and I think they've each flashed in
their own way, but the preseason is going to go
the longest way towards where they kind of solidifying that battle.
Also from a wide receiver perspective, the wide receiver injuries.
Curtis Samuel, Elijah Moore, Kayden Prather, Tyrol Shavers went down Sunday.
He was starting to get some work with the ones
and actually looked pretty good. Kaj Hammer missed some time today,

(51:25):
but it was more just due to a heat illness
than anything. I think for the wide receivers, everything that
we've seen creates it creates two opportunities to think at
the top and at the bottom. Obviously, it creates an
opportunity at the bottom of the depth chart. If guys
like Elijah Moore and Tyrol Shavers, both of I would
say those two coming into camp with the leaders in
the clubhouse to be wide receiver five. If the Bills

(51:46):
are going to keep five, I think More and Shavers
were right there. I would probably put More ahead of Shavers.
But both those guys missing anytime. Then on top of that,
Curtis Samuel missing time, so you've got opportunities at the
bottom of the depth chart, but because Samuel is also
a missing time, you're getting more reps for Keyon Coleman
and Josh Palmer at the top of the depth chart

(52:08):
to lock down those spots. So the wide receiver injuries,
you know, in terms of how they're impacting the depth
chart and the roster. You're getting a lot of time
on task for Keyon Coleman, which he needs because he
is green and a raw player. It's getting a lot
of time on task for Josh Palmer, which is good
because he's new to this offense and new to the system.

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You don't really need more time on task for Shakiir.
Shakir is what Shakir is. But it's given a lot
of opportunity for Palmer and Kean to kind of lock down,
you know, two of the top three wide receiver spots.
And then it's also creating more battle opportunities at the bottom.
You know, maybe someone like Jalen Virgil starts to emerge
in some way. Maybe a kJ Hammler shakes off the
keyt illness that he had today and he starts to

(52:50):
make an attempt somewhere. Maybe it's dion Kin. Maybe Leaviska
Chanalt comes around. I know he's a huge favorite of
Drew from the Rock Power Report. Feel free to tweet
at Drew from the Rock Pile Report. He loves Laviska Chanel.
He's got multiple Ofiska Jerseys. Absolutely loves him. Uh So, yeah,
at the wide receiver is interesting. We're gonna see and

(53:11):
this is already a position, right Like, we're not gonna
see a ton of Palmer in the preseason. We're not
gonna see a ton of Curtis Samuel. We're not gonna
see a ton of Khalishakir. We'll probably get a decent
chunk of key on Coleman because he needs time on task.
But Coleman and More and Shavers and Prather and Handler
and Virgil and all these guys, even Steven Goss now

(53:31):
who made a really nice catch today, Like, all these
dudes are gonna get a lot of work in the preseason.
And now with the injuries we've seen at the receiver,
that just pushes this even further. So wide receivers wanted
to keep an eye on from the injuries again impacting
two spots on the depth chart the bottom in terms
of who wide receiver five is, but also at the
top in terms of kind of creating further separation if

(53:53):
you are the Bills. I think in an ideal world,
Palmer is gonna Palmer's gonna see a lot of snaps.
Shakier is gonna see a lot of snap. But you're
hoping that Keon Coleman was going to take that jump
and really kind of be wide receiver two or wide
receiver three, depending on how you view how you view
Khaliosha kir as being a you know, true wide wide
receiver one even though he's more of a slot guy
and how he's used. But conversation for another time. That's

(54:15):
kind of been forced on the Bills within camp because
it's not like, oh, okay, well, we want to work
in Samuel and we want to work in these other guys,
like no, like Keon Coleman's getting a ton of burn
because Samuel has been banged up a bit. Now Moore's
banged up, and everything kind of stacks. So wide receiver
I think is an interesting one for the overall battle,
but more so because of the injuries impacting the roster
and the depth chart and how that's going to kind

(54:37):
of shake out a bit. You can go back and
go through some of the comments. Yeah, Royce says Superman
Dion Kane is back, two time UFL champion, one time MVP,
Welcome to the practice squad. Maybe that's fair. Upstate Gardener
says Spencer Brown's back is worrisome, But I'm a Grabel
stand Chromer can develop the dude. I I don't want

(55:01):
anything to happen to the offensive line. I don't want
them to change in any way, shape or form. I
want this starting five this year and for the next
couple of years. But I second the notion of kind
of you know in Chromer that we trust, and Grabil's
got a lot of fun traits and tools, and again
he looked really good in the preseason last year. Him
having a quality snatchtrap and him using it with regularity

(55:21):
was a big surprise to me, and he again he
was one of my stars last year of the preseason
from week one to two to three, and he got
better from week one to two to three. And I
trust an Aaron Cromer, So I think that's fair. How
Ralph says with the lone Granger, I like this nickname
for Centron Vampire Granger. Who else is taking snaps at center?

(55:43):
You know, my eye hasn't been again too much on
the O line because of the trench pieces, but Jacob
Behar has been getting there. I remember seeing sixty one
a bunch. I think al Anderson's getting some work there
as well. A Bear is one that comes to my
mind a lot, but again I have him in two
trench focus. I'm gonna be trench focused more during the
scrimmage on Friday. But yeah, Jordan's seven one six says

(56:07):
shack Baby's gonna play hard for McDermott. I actually, I
don't doubt it. If Anybody's gonna get the best out
of him, and if there is somebody that Shaq's gonna
give his all for, it would probably be McDermott. Not
to say he's not a professional and wouldn't give its
all no matter what. I'm again trying to cover all
avenues here before somebody else with me. R J saying
Tian Kane is a perfect practice squad player. Dominic says,

(56:28):
oh my god, enough with the wrestling man. You gotta
come around. Wrestling is a sport, It's tremendous. Let's each
their own appreciate you, Tom, Thank you. John says, how
is Baile inspector not in the rash of injuries we
have right now? I feel like you shouldn't have even
said that. I shouldn't have even brought up this comment
because knowing that the wind's gonna blow hard and Rochester
and he's gonna pick up an injury tonight. Yeah. Also, yeah,

(56:50):
don blame RJ. It's RJ's fault with the wrestling. If
I see r Jay in here, I'm probably I'm pretty
much guaranteed to make a wrestling comment. And RJ's in
here pretty much every single week, so that means I'm
pretty much guaranteed to make a wrestling car on every
single week. Upstate Gardner said, did Bishop go to the
injury ten today? Yes? He did. I think he went
in before Hairston. No, after Hairston, I think yeah. After Hairston,

(57:12):
I didn't hear anything conclusive or worrisome. I think he
went back to practice, finished the rest, but he did
go into the injury tent. There were like seven or
eight guys that went into the Injury ten today, So
birth Marino's Legacy says Brandon Bean hasn't drafted an immediate
star in the first year since Trey White. I'm concerned
about the evaluation process. Maybe Greg Russo in year one,

(57:34):
but that's pushing it. I think it was also. I
think that's fair. But I also think what's tough is
they really haven't had a lot of opportunities to draft
like stars at the spots in the first round where
you usually get stars. Usually you're getting stars in the
top fifteen, top twenty. The only one who they've had
in that range was at Oliver, who I don't think

(57:56):
is a star but has become a very good player.
I think at Oliver's been solid. I think Greg Ruso
has the opportunity to become a true edge one this year,
although I don't think he's holistically that this year because
he's still more of a two as a pass rusher
than a one. So I do think this comment is
somewhat fair. But I also think working against being is
the fact that he's usually drafting in the late twenties.
Now you can sit down and be like, well, yeah,

(58:17):
but the Chiefs got you know, McDuffie in the late
twenties and he's a star, so you can play both
sides of it. But I do think drafting in the
in the far back of round one traditionally doesn't necessarily
lend itself towards getting, you know, an immediate star. Usually
you're gonna get more role players or like high quality
guys and positions, and I think they've gotten that more

(58:37):
often than not. But yeah, I do think he's hit
more on the back end of drafts, like look where
you got Shakir, Look where you got Tarren Johnson, Look
where you got Christian Benford. I think he's hit more
on the back end. Is not especially on Day three,
Like rounds four through six I think have been better
for him than rounds one through three, ironically, So I
push back a little, but I do think that's fair

(59:00):
and then follow confery. You said, but his picks usually
round out as solid a very good, but rarely as
a rookie. Yeah, I think it's fair. He's got a
weird I this is a larger conversation. I don't want
to get too off track with it, but I think
a lot of it is due to the type of
the archetypes that they draft at certain positions and the
needs that they have at those positions, so they tend

(59:20):
to almost kind of chase their tail and it's not like,
you know, the definition of insanity is doing the same
thing expecting different results, but that's essentially what they kind
of do. They kind of stick to the routine, but
the results stay the same, which is why we're kind
of in this rinse and repeat scenario of like, oh,
solid to very good but no stars. And then also
factoring in is because they're drafting in the back half

(59:42):
of round one and then rarely as a rookie, is fair,
but also they're usually a pretty good football team, so
it's hard for a rookie to kind of crack the
roster because usually they have some kind of talent or
depth at a majority of spots already. But yeah, I
do think that is a fair comment. O. K. Morris
his name is hard to get year one stars when

(01:00:03):
you're consistently drafting in the mid to late twenties. Man,
what I would do to go back for McDuffie. It's tough.
It's tough, tough, tough, tough tuff. Oh man, it's so
funny to see. I swear I don't see the comments
ahead of time as I start reading things from people,
but it's funny to see, like the comments I'm seeing
people mention McDuffie and Trey and then you know the

(01:00:26):
piece of like oh yeah mid to late twenties, so
on and so forth. Oh, I forgot a good call.
Here is I kept going through Milano, But I don't
think Mulano. Mulano was taken in the McDermott Doug Whaley
draft and then Doug Whalley got fired like two months

(01:00:47):
later and Brandon Bean came in. Now we can play
the game of like was being kind of the shadow GM?
Did he already have his hand in the pot a
little bit? So on and so forth. But yeah, that
was that was not a being pick made that Maylee
did that draft and then I think got fired like
two months later or something like that and being took
over if I remember that correctly, And yeah, actually you

(01:01:10):
know even that too, I don't think being drafted Trey
White there, if I remember correctly. Oh when John said
that in the chat too, Yeah, I think that might
be that uh m hm fair And even just again too,
like if we're talking about like I'm more concerned with
the rookies not developing into true stars than I am

(01:01:33):
them having impact as a rookie, like I'm less concerned
with like, man, this guy's not a stud as a rookie,
because I don't know how many rookie studs there are anyway,
especially if you're not picking them like the top ten,
or unless somebody falls to you outside the top ten,
like Jalen Carter or something like that. But I my
my thing is more of getting guys to being elite.
I don't care when it happens. If they're elite in

(01:01:53):
year one, fantastic. If it's your two or three or
four or five, that's also good. But I don't think
the Bills whout this Josh Allen run. I don't think
they've had enough elite talent around him that they've either
acquired or that they've drafted and developed. I think Benford
is getting to that point now, and I think Rousseau
has the opportunity to get there if he can again,

(01:02:15):
like I've said so much on the show, if he
can take a jump as a pass rusher, I think
he could potentially get there. But yeah, they've it's been
hit or miss, and again depends on how you define elite.
But I think at times like Tay that Terarren Johnson,
who's been elite. Matt Malone's been elite. The safeties. I mean,
they've had the best safety tannement football. At one point
you had Stefan Diggs, but it was all kind of
like mixing and matching at different points. And then if

(01:02:38):
you're talking about just drafting again, a lot of those
guys that I mentioned were more you know, Poyer was
assigning hide was a signing. Granted they developed both of
them and helped turn them into some things, but you know,
Stefan Diggs was a trade acquisition. So we'll see in
terms of, you know, the elite piece that they developed.
But yeah, I'm less concerned about like elite players as
a rookie, especially considering this is usually a team that

(01:02:59):
isn't like man, they need a rookie, an elite rookie
to contribute. They're a team that usually goes to the
Final four every year or the divisional round of the playoffs.
So they're a good team usually with not a lot
of holes, and they usually do their best to hedge
their bets going into the draft, So if they have
a need at corner, they usually sign a couple of
corners so that way there's some competition. If they haven't

(01:03:20):
needed defensive end, they'll sign a couple and then still
draft on. So it's not like any rookie is going
to be a plug and play guy anyway, because one
they're usually a good good at most spots anyway, but two,
they're gonna bring guys in free agency to head their
hedge their bets so they're not left with some glaring
hole and forced into a need come draft time. Kaya
Moorey says beans round one preferences seem to be traitsy

(01:03:41):
guys that have uber high potential. Yeah, I do think
they're more trade based, and I also get like they
just go to their archetype, like they like defensive ends
that don't really have a ton of change of direction
or athleticism. They want length and power and pocket compression,
which is fair, but I think those guys tend to
be more limited in general with what they can be,
even though they also have high potential and may take

(01:04:03):
a while. It is very uh interesting this has comment.
I think it's coming to from Red Sansey and the
quality of depth as a direct results of their drafting profile.
I think they also go for a lot of the
guys that are high floor and I think that's part
of the reason they have their depth for as much
as For as much as that, I think they've lacked
through like a tier elite talent. They seem to always

(01:04:25):
have a bunch of like C plus or B minus
guys at positions like at you know, the third or
fourth guy on the depth chart when most teams have
like a D or even an F there. Like they
have survived injuries in a multitude of spots for years
because they develop well and they usually again they take
guys usually with high floors. You know. Dan Jackson's a
good example, right, Like he was never gonna be this

(01:04:47):
great CB two, but he's kind of, you know, a
high floor C B two. He can get the job done.
He's more of a CB three or a CB four,
but you know, if you need him to fill in
and kind of do something, especially if you've got you know,
an all pro tray right Trey White and then hiding
Poyer playing along with him and all pro Aron Johnson,
like that guy fits that need. Well. It's all the
chest pieceerie of all of it. But yeah, I do

(01:05:09):
think this common stands at the quality of depth. I
think as a direct result of their drafting profile. They
go for culture guys, high floor guys, known quantity type
of dudes, and then maybe they'll take some more swings
in the early rounds and they kind of battle it
all together. Great comment here from Reno's Legacy. When you
are in high leverage situations, guys like Chris Jones and

(01:05:30):
Jamar Chase are the difference. I don't disagree. I don't disagree.
Pete says, I'm all for more elite guys. I don't
see round one rookies who are immediately impactful. Is the
route you must take to get there. I think this
is very well said, and I agree the comment here
from Reno's Legacy saying if Walker or Sanders are game
wrecking defensive tackles, it changes the equation dramatically. Regardless of Harriston,

(01:05:52):
I think they can be as rushers. I'm more worried
about each of them getting blown off the ball and
being liabilities versus the run. But we'll see. But we
will see. Oh, I forgot gave Davis as a draft pick. Yeah,
even like Levi Wallace as an undrafted free agent and
them getting like CB two mileage out of him for

(01:06:14):
a couple of years as a high floor guy like
they just find ways with udfa's in the back end
around one like, yeah, they just find a way. Oh.
I like this. I have nothing to know to add.
Just wanted to say hi, I am hi learn. I
hope you're doing well. Terreon Johnson too, Yeah, Aron Johnson, Oh,
Taron Johnson was a round four guy. Johnson was for

(01:06:36):
Shakir was a fifth, Benford was a sixth. Those ones
stick out in my mind. Yeah, those one stick out
of my mind the most. I want to talk about
some stock up and stock down pieces regarded to training gap.
I like this conversation in the chest though. Feel free
to uh continuously talk about and I'll continue to bring

(01:06:57):
things up. I'm going to take a drink. I'm saying
that for the audio people because they're gonna hear some silence,
and if I didn't acknowledge it, you'll see me taking
a drink. But they'd be like, oh, WHI isre silence.
Let's talk up some stock up and stock down. Trey
White stock up, don't need to talk about it too much.
I talked about him throughout this episode stock up big

(01:07:17):
time again. I thought he would be a really nice
CB three him flashing some CB two pieces. I think
it's nice. Oh, actually, hold on real quick, Buffhiadelphia says random.
How would you compare Douglas last year to Trey's performance
in camp this year? Man, It's tough to say right
now because I haven't seen live bullets and live reps.

(01:07:41):
I will say I think Douglas was still the better
force player and better run defender. I think Trey has
shown better short area burst and quickness and coverage chops.
But I didn't really see those struggles from Russeul Douglas
in camp. I started to see them as the season progress,
so I don't know if he had an injury or

(01:08:01):
the mileage just really started to show. So I think
Trey's performance overall has been very, very very encouraging. I
think he showed more short area burst in quickness, but
Douglas still looked good in camp. Last year it was
more just yeah, as Kamorey said, and John, both of
you guys saying in the chat there, yeah Douglas. It
was more is kind of the season progress that was

(01:08:24):
almost literally like he fell off a cliff and I
have no idea what happened, but Tray looks good and
I thought, you know Douglas, which you could play devilas
Ada can be like, well, if Douglas looked good last
year and he fell off a cliff, what's to say
Trey won't. And I don't have an answer for you,
so hopefully he doesn't. I'm not saying you're saying that,
but I just want to put that out there, all right,
stock up, stock down, good comments, good, good thought provoking

(01:08:46):
questions and comments on the chat tonight. I like it,
so stock up Trey White my next stock up. I didn't.
I don't think this is oh yeah, of course, Buffadelphia.
I appreciate the comment and thank you for being here
enjoying me live. I think it's I think it's very
nice to any time people join in comments a good time.
Then my next stock up. I don't think it's gonna be.

(01:09:09):
It might be this person seems polarizing, and I don't
know if it's just because people are loud and vocal
all the time, because Twitter is a cesspool for that
or not. But I'm gonna give a stock up to
Keyon Coleman. I hope nobody yells at me for that.
I mean you can yell. I don't care teach their own.
I do think the inconsistency is going to still be
present in his game. I know on what was it.

(01:09:30):
Let's say I went to camp day one and day two.
I did not go on day three. I know he
had some drops on day three, which was Friday. But
I thought, overall, at least the days I've been there,
he's looked good. He's had good timing and rapport with
Josh Allen. Get into the spots where Alan expects him
to be getting out of his break right when Alan
is anticipating him getting out of his break, separating at

(01:09:52):
the catch point on some deep throws, separating on the
at the catch point on some back shoulder throws against
man coverage, being able to find space zone, especially on
the seams and the intermediate I talked about on day two.
On that Thursday, he had an outbreaking route. I caught
it late, so I don't remember exactly what the concept
was or even the coverage piece, but I'm pretty sure

(01:10:14):
it was it was either quarters or it was cover
six with quarters to that side. But he he bends
this outbreaker route, but he bends it inside. He stems
it inside, and Taylor rap starts to go with him
and right his rap opens up inside to run with him.
Coleman breaks down and snaps it off him, pops back outside,

(01:10:34):
snatches raps, ankles, wrap, falls to the ground. Keon's wide open,
Alan pins it on him. I think he's had a
strong start to camp. I do think his stock is up.
He's beaten a variety of guys in coverage. He's had
some struggles with Christian Benford, but everybody has had their
struggles with Christian Benford. Christian Benford is another stock up
candidate Benford has been I don't have too much to

(01:10:55):
add for Benford other than he's just been locked down
against anyone in every one in a variety of coverages.
It's tough to be Christian Benfer in any way, shape
or form this camp so far to start, but I
think key On has looked good. I do think we're
gonna continue to see in consistencies with his game. We're
gonna continue to see peaks and valleys. As I mentioned earlier,
and as everybody in their mother is mentioned at this point,

(01:11:17):
he is green. He is raw in terms of his age,
in terms of football experience, pro style stuff, all of that, right,
So it's gonna take him time on task to get better.
He needs time on task. They are gonna I'm sure
there's gonna be games in season where he has like
eight catches on nine targets for one hundred and ten
yards and a touchdown or two, and everybody's like, oh,

(01:11:38):
you know, he's arrived. And then the next week he
might have like one catch on three targets for seven yards,
and everybody's like, oh, no, he sucks again, Like what happened.
That's who he's gonna be. We are not going to
know who Keon Coleman is in year two. Keon Coleman
is the type of player where we're not gonna know
who he is until year three or year four, or honestly,
maybe even beyond. The example I always give, And if

(01:11:58):
you're a regular listener reviewer this show, you already know
what I'm going to say. The example I always give
because Keon Coleman was my wide receiver nine coming out
last year, but I thought he had the widest array
of potential NFL outcomes. If you told me he ended
up being a high end wide receiver two or low
end wide receiver one in his career, I'd buy it.
If you told me he was out of the league
in four or five years. I'd buy it if you

(01:12:19):
told me he was living off of one year contracts
into his early thirties because nobody tapped into his skill set.
But each team kept being like, you know, we can
be the ones to finally reach him. I could buy that.
We're not going to know who he is even if
he balls out in camp in the preseason in the
first couple of weeks. There's a chance he could fall
right back down and vice versa. He could look like
crap to start the year and then rise up. We're

(01:12:40):
not going to know who Keyon Coleman is until your
year three or honestly, maybe even year four, which I
know isn't a great answer for a lot of folks,
because you want your guy who's the first pick in
the draft, even though it did come in the second round.
You want that guy to be an immediate contributor for
any type of team, but especially one just trying to
get over the hump and win a chanceonship. But I

(01:13:01):
do think there's something to be said for drafting guys
with an athletic profile or a skill set that you
don't have, and you want, even if it may take
him a little more time on task, or if he
requires a little more seasoning or simmering to kind of
develop into the player that you want, especially if you're
strong enough as a team or a culture already and
you have the ecosystem that can allow them to develop.
And I do think the Bills have that. They're a

(01:13:21):
good running football team. They have a good offensive line,
no Jink's fingers crossed, you have the MVP a quarterback,
You've got enough weapons at the receiver and tight end
spots to insulate Kean Coleman. So I do think he
has the opportunity to succeed. But I do think he's
a stock up candidate right now, even though again he
had some drops on day two. I'm sorry day three,
but he's been winning with physicality. He's been separating at

(01:13:44):
the catch point and finance space in zone and being
able to snap some things off. Again, I think the
biggest thing, and everybody knows at this point, can he
separate consistently? What can he do in his route stem?
What can he do in terms of the technical pieces
and the refinement pieces of a wide receiver that's going
to come. He's not going to go from year one
to year two and be this great professional rout runner

(01:14:04):
that's going to continue to take time, which is why
I think it's more of a year three, year four
type of thing. For key On Coleman. I talked about
Christian Benford. He's looked great. I don't have anything else.
He's awesome. Also a stock up, this is more of
a schematic thing. Talked about Ryan Nielsen's impact and the
desire for this Bills team to kind of change some
things up front. So a stock up is five man

(01:14:26):
pressure looks, simulated pressures, creeper pressures, but also just the
defense being more adjustable and sound in their checks and
assignments based off of shifts, motions and changes information and alignment.
So I noted multiple times on camps, I tweeted it,
I posted on Blue Sky Bobby Babbage and the defense

(01:14:47):
have you know, they're taking the defense and they're taking
the starters, and they're purely going over adjustments in checks
based off of changes information, alignment, shifts and motion. They
are going over their checks. So if it goes from
a two by two to three by one, if it
does that with a shift, or does that with a
jet motion or an orbit motion or a shift, what
their checks are, what the coverage changes, what the front changes.

(01:15:10):
They did that multiple days. They've been tying that in
in terms of being assignment sound with man and different
man in match coverages. Then they've also been drilling down
five man pressure looks, different simulated pressures and different creeper pressures.
Also some six man pressure looks as well. So I
like what I've seen from that. So a stock up
in terms of the potential tweaks and changes that we
want to see from this defense, which is more non

(01:15:34):
foreman rushes, whether whether you know non traditional like a
sim or a creeper or actual like five and six
man pressures. So seeing more of that, seeing more man
and match coverage on the back end, and being really
sound and sound is actually the only way to put
it in Their checks, their adjustments, and their assignments after
they see motion, after they see a shift areas where

(01:15:55):
they' struggled in the past and they've kind of been
out leveraged in different points. So those are big stock
ups for me. There's been a couple more, but I
didn't want to give like a list of like ten,
So those are a big four for me, I want
to go back and grab some comments. Bum bum bum,
Red Sand saying stock up is the new tight end,
might be a Gronk style player. Not sure if his

(01:16:16):
hands yet. I mean Gronk was plus as a receiver
and as a blocker. I think it's a very high
hope and expectation for Jackson Hawes. He is a stock
up for me as well. But I talked about him
earlier in terms of just playing well, so I didn't
necessarily include him here, but fairpoint Dorian Strong. I see
that from Jordan, I see that from Charles. I think
he's had some good flashes. He's also gotten beat uh

(01:16:36):
from time to time. You know, I would say a
handful of positive and a handful of negative, so I
kind of keep him as a neutral. He's another guy
that I'm looking forward to seeing in the scrimmage, but
also big time in the preseason. I think he's gonna
get a lot of burn. Buff Bill's eighty three says
any update on Hairston not officially as of now. We
talked about him earlier in the episode, but there's been
no news in terms of trickling down of you know,

(01:16:57):
confirmed this injury, confirm no injury. Nothing at this point,
Oh John says Coleman needs to get rid of the
debt zero number. It's brutal to look at. I don't
know how I feel about the zero. I'm okay with it,
but I also don't like it because I don't think
it looks good with the Bill's font That's my bigger thing.
I don't think the zero looks great with the Bill's fomp.

(01:17:19):
But I'm not opposed to the zero. Kenby says McDuffie,
opposite of Benford. I think about it all the time.
He was my corner three or corner four in that draft.
I loved him. I wanted him really bad for the Bills.
I thought he could play outside, not just inside. Yeah,
he was a big hope for me. I really, really,

(01:17:39):
really really really wanted McDuffie, but it wasn't meant to be.
What else Upstate Gardners is? I like king On lining
up inside more. Yeah, I do too, but I just
think it limits some of the things that you can do.
But fair Upstate Gardeners is Palmer's ability to create versus
Man has me stoked. It was clear this regime wanted

(01:18:02):
the separator for Josh. Yeah, underneath and the intermediate, you know,
low emitted intermediate. I think he's going to be a real,
a real advantageous piece in terms of separation. He can
win at the release point, he could win his route stem,
he can win on the break, he can run a
variety of routes. He's got really good deception, body language,
and pacing in his routes. I think he's gonna be
an asset. I don't know if he's necessarily gonna be

(01:18:22):
a true wide receiver one, but I think he's gonna
be a difference maker in this offense. However, you know
you'll want to quantify it. Buff Bill's eighty three says,
if we even just have more of a threat of
a downfield passing game, that will open things up absolutely.
And part of that is Josh Allen being better on
throws of twenty or more yards. He's been poor the
past couple of seasons. I also think they need to

(01:18:44):
use the play action game to create some explosives. That
just seems like an easy way to do it, considering
how good their run game is and play action being
a nice way to create some additional separation for yourself
and some explosives and being able to attack downfield or
even in the intermediate with some you know, run after
catch potential. Yeah, I think they do need to kind
of create more take the top off chunk plays downfield

(01:19:07):
to be able to loosen things up, because if they're
just living as a run the football team and living
in the underneath to lower mid intermediate, eventually things are
gonna start to constrict. And if you're playing teams with
better athletes at corner or good corners, teams are just
trying to man you up and play single high, and
they're gonna start to struggle like they did against Baltimore
Houston last year. Charlos says, Jordan Hancock getting reps only

(01:19:29):
at safety and none at slock corner. No both day one,
Like he was the slock corner with the third team
his first time on the field and then they ran
him back and he was at safety. So I've been
seeing him get work at both. Jordan says, how does
Frank Gore Junior? Look? Did he beef up at all?
I would say maybe he looks maybe a little heavier,
but I think kind of the same. Red sand is

(01:19:51):
a big Ray Davis fan. Can't wait to see him
get the ball more to love watching him run the ball.
James says, is Jackson injured? Do you mean land In
Jackson or Jackson, Because there's two, I guess I'll answer both. Jane.
Jackson's been getting burned and some run so I don't
think he's heard Landon Jackson didn't really see snaps on
day one, but I think he's been fine going forward

(01:20:12):
and seeing reps. But again, I've be't been paying a
ton of attention to the trenches because no pads, and
I think that's just such a huge variable that kind
of muddies things for me. Ralph says, can you see
Palmer being a younger Emmanuel Sanders for the Bills. I
think they're different types of players. I think Sanders had
a lot more fluidity to his game. It was a
better vertical presence. I think Palmer can work downfield, but

(01:20:36):
a lot of it is due to his deception and
functioning within the scheme. I think there's a bit of
a misconception on what type of receiver Palmer is, and
people talk about him the man beating piece, but a
lot of people talk about him like he's just this also,
this big deep threat. I don't think that's necessarily the case,
but I do think I do think there is something

(01:20:56):
to be said for the precision that Emmanuel Sanders operated
with as a route runner. I think Palmer operates with
some of that. I think Palmer is more of a
and I think this compa is spot on because they
spend time together with the chargers. I think Palmer is
a bigger Keenan Allen are kind of in the Keenan
Allen type of mold, good release package, good footwork underneath intermediate.

(01:21:18):
I know he's a bigger body type of dude and
can get downfield, but I think he's built for the
world of like ten catches one hundred yards, not like
four catches one hundred yards. I think he's somebody that's
gonna work in the intermediate, the underneath, the high underneath,
anywhere from like zero to fourteen yards or fifteen yards,
I think is where Josh Palmer is going to see

(01:21:38):
a lot of success. Joyce's Cooper Degene would have been
a better pick than Keyon Coleman in my opinion. And
we need it and still need safety helping. Yeah, but
I don't know how Degene was going to translate to safety.
We still haven't seen that yet. You know him working
in the slot, and he had a good year in
the slot for Philly. But if you're talking about drafting

(01:21:58):
Degene and then putting him at safety, we still don't
know how we would have functioned there. He didn't play
safety at Iowa. It was a big projection to see
to move him to safety in the NFL. So we
still haven't seen that now at this point. But I
think that's fair. Good athlete, good player gives you some jews,
some physicality, and some size, so I get like in
the player. I don't know if it's if it solves
the safety issue, because that's that was a big projection,

(01:22:20):
but if it would have I don't necessarily disagree and
Toad buff Bill's eighty three point we have to do.
We have to wait house seed but oh we have
to wait to see how Bishop performs falling apart. So sorry,
but yeah, overall, fun time at camp so far. If
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(01:22:41):
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(01:24:49):
cautious with them? It seems like a lot of injuries
so early. I do think they are being cautious. Time
will tell if all these injuries are actually meaningful or
if they're purely just precautionary. We'll see, I regardless anytime
someone they just have a slew of injuries, and it's
two important guys, and it's just a lot of injuries

(01:25:12):
in terms of quantity and volume, Like there's a lot.
I don't want to see them at all. But we'll see,
we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. Jordan says, So if
they move Bishop to free safety, who looks better in practice,
Hamlin or Forest. Hamlin did a couple of nice plays
on the ball. I'm waiting to see what Derek Forrest
looks like when the bullets are live, because Camp is

(01:25:34):
only going to tell us so much. I would probably
put Hamlin slightly ahead of Forest as of right now.
But I think once the Pats start popping and the
bullets are live. In the preseason, I think Forrest will
surpass Hamlin, but we'll see. Charles says, besides more play action,
what new wrinkles do you hope to see from last season?
I want more pistol if we're talking offensive side of
the ball, I want more pistol. I want more thirteen personnel,

(01:25:58):
so I want three tight hands on the field. I
want Knox, I want Kincaid, and I want Hawes. I
want more twenty one personnel. I want more Reggie Gilliam
on the field. And I would like more six offensive
lineman sets. And I want them to run counter traditional counter,
traditional counter, and power out of them by putting Alec
Anderson in black blast motion like they did last year

(01:26:21):
towards the end of the year. I want that as
a as a run wrinkle. So those are really the
big chunks for me. And I'd like more deep shots
off of play action in the you know, kind of
put that in particular, more deep shots in general. But
I think with the wide receiver cord, they're going to
need to manufacture it a bit, so I think they'll
need play action with it, and then defensively what we've

(01:26:41):
talked about. I want more man coverage, more match coverage,
more man coverage, more blitzes, more sims, more creepers, and
more variety in their fronts. I'm tired of the four
down static front. I want guys standing up. I want
you know, an overload look. I want somebody lined up
over the center. I want to attack protections. I want

(01:27:03):
to create man protection rules and manipulate offenses into keeping
running backs and tight ends and to protect when they
don't have to. I want to create vulnerabilities and protection
rules and exploit them and create matchups and mismatches for
the defense. So that's a big one for me as well.
I know that was kind of a lot. I don't
know if you expected that, but yeah, that's what I'm

(01:27:24):
looking for, Joe says. And not sure if it's been
discussed yet, but thoughts on McGovern's comments on Hawes and
your review of him so far. I actually not the
cop ot. I talked about this earlier because I talked
about the tight end room in the training camp battle segment.
It was towards the back end, probably around like the
fifty minute mark, somewhere in that range. I'll time stamp

(01:27:45):
it when I'm done here. But yeah, I thought he's
looked good, really good blocker, good people mover. McGovern's comments
were awesome and they aligned with my notes. I don't
want to rehash it too much because I again I
spoke on it. Thank you for also letting me know
that you were late and didn't join the show earlier.
I don't know why you're I guess you're out living
your life, which seems kind of selfish, but you know,

(01:28:05):
teach their own. But yeah, good comment, Joe good thought. Yeah,
I liked him, and I've liked him so far, I
should say, and I am excited to see what he
does in the preseason. And he's part of the reason
why I want more thirteen personnel as one of my
wrinkles and one of my pieces. So yeah, good time.
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(01:29:09):
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(01:30:14):
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