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In this episode of disguised coverage, we will be diving
into the twenty twenty five or back class for the

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upcoming NFL Draft, a class that has some real legitimate
talent at the top and even going into Day two,
maybe even a little bit into Day three. And that's
important for this Buffalo Bills team as they have a
glaring need at CB two. They have blocked up Christian
Benford long term as their CB one, which looks very
good right now given his play and the fact that
he still is ascending and has an upwards trajectory in

(02:24):
his career, which is nice to see. They traded away
Kyrie Eland, they brought back Dane Jackson, but there's questions
at CB two for the Bills, and maybe even depentially
depending on how you view Dane Jackson, maybe even questions
at CB three, maybe CB four, depending on how you
view Jermarcus ingram. So the Bill is definitely at the
very least need a CB two in my estimation coming

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out of this draft, they could double dip and add
to the overall corner depth and get yourself maybe potentially
a solidified CB three coming out as well, but that
will come in the conversation that we have throughout this episode.
And we had James Foster on the show last week.
I have another guest now next week to go over
another specific position grouping of need for the Buffalo Bills.
I wanted to have draft experts and people who really

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know ball and who know the game and scheme and
structure and who know how to evaluate players, and I
wanted to do that for this episode as well, but
unfortunately I couldn't find anybody that was good enough. So
I found Russell Brown, who was kind of Okay, you folks.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Know, show sucks, dude.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
I was just going to introduce me like the Marty
Janetti of like drafts, but no, you folks know, it's tradition.
Russ's been on the show.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I can't even count how many times down between draft
stuff and then the Bill's playing the Lions.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Over the years. But Russell, the Lions Men just draft
stuff for fantasy pros covers the Lions for Lions Wire,
one of legitimately one of the foremost ball knowers when
it comes to just football in general, but especially draft time.
Russ and I text all the time. We message all
the time about football and wrestling and different things. Someone
I'm very happy to call my friend, but also somebody
who legit knows his stuff. So I'm pumped.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Have you welcome the show? Thanks for having me. Always
fun dude, And uh, you know, when you're like, hey,
I need somebody for the show. If if the availability
is there and I'm not sitting at a baseball diamond
or you know, football or something that I got going on,
it's always one hundred percent yes, because there's just a
natural I don't know, podcast or a chemistry. Call it

(04:23):
the Dudley Boys, I don't know, you know, uh, the
Jerry Lynn of the Draft, I don't know if I
love that. Yeah, that's a huge compliment to be Jerry Lynn.
It is a great worker, tremendous worker.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
And him and RBD, like their matches, like their series
and ECW were like one of like my favorite things
in wrestling ever, like delivering dangerously one like the for
oh Man.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it. It's a compliment, but
I would take it tremendously. It's better than Marty Janetti.
Well that's what you are so of this show right now? Also,
by the way, I got a WrestleMania shirt coming in
the mail, and it's sick. It's freakin' it's Shawn Michael's
jumping off the ladder on a Razor ramon and from
WrestleMania ten. Dude. I can't wait to wear it on.

(05:07):
I'm probably gonna wear it both nights to WrestleMania. You
know why, because I'm just gonna watch wrest Mayana for
like forty eight hours straight.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
That's fairly huge compliment, but it is a huge compliment. Yeah,
that's a six shirt. I wish I didn't. I mean,
if I didn't hate Sewan Michaels, I probably like it more.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Hey. Yeah, he's a tremendous wrestler, like tremendous wrestler, but
the person that he was admittedly let the nineties go. Dude,
I will never let it go.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
He was the reason Brett Hart bounced and then Goldberg
kicked him in the friggin head and it ruined his career.
I will never forgive Shawn Michaels for being such a
not nice person.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Isn't that Goldberg's fault? Yeah, it is Goldberg's fault, But
Brett wanted a wrestling podcast. I would I would never
it would be I'd get into too many Like I'm
able to keep myself like contained for like football conversations
if somebody disagrees and things, but something as arbitrary is wrestling, man,
I would just blow up.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
It would it would never, it would never work. I'd
be so angry all the time with somebody, even now,
like even just having the conversation with you, like right now,
I'm immediately like, screw Sean Michaels, Like, here's such a jerk.
Brett was gonna do business on the way out. He
just didn't want to do it to Sean because Sean
wouldn't do it for him.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
And then that anyways, back to the Bills. Great to
be here, Happy to be back with my boys here
at Cover one. By the way, your guys' film room
stuff is lights out. I'm glad to see the dream
come to fruition because I know that has been in
the works and the grind has been real for a
long time, and you guys deserve all of that. So

(06:31):
I hope it continues to build, and I hope it
leads to more down the road with just you know,
beyond the Bills. I hope it leads to other players
and so on and so forth, which I think is
probably gonna end up happening. So fingers crossed from my boys,
love you guys, Thank you very much. I hope it does.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
That's pretty sweet. One last thing on wrestling, Charles says,
Cody or Sina, I, man, they both bore the absolute
hell out of me in the ring, so I could
not care less, but I can't stand Cody, so probably
guess what I also can't stand Seena.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Let's go with Cody Rhodes dying in the ring and
then coming back to life somehow with you know, a
dire wolf that just got gramatically prob.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
I was gonna say, his dog comes to the ring
and like resuscitates him, and then everybody, all the entire
locker room, in the entire arena all fill the ring
and they lift Cody up to the heavens as this
giant hero and he springs back to life, and fine,
I just can't stand him.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
His one thing I could see happening, and I could
see scene A winning, but I could also see Cody winning,
and I could see Cody turning heel and joining with
the Rock and it's almost like a big swerve type thing,
because if Cody was a heel, it was It's a
million times better. Heal Cody.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
I remember seeing Cody on the indies, like in the
Ring of Honor shows when I was living in New York.
He O, Cody was sweet and even like him going
up against Kenny in San Francisco when he did the
g One Super Show. Like, heal Cody is a good deal.
I wanted to we're here on aw, he just wouldn't.
I think they give it to Sina and I think
you can tell a good story with it. But yeah,

(08:07):
I they both bore me in the rings. This match
is gonna be so slow and horribly paced. I mean,
am I gonna watch it?

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Probably, But man, I'm.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Still excited for it. I mean it's it's wrestle Mania
or Russalmania, whatever you want to call it these days.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
You know.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
But h Charles says he remember start Us.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
I like that start ups that if there was anybody
in this room that start start us, it's it's definitely Anthony.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
I mean, you you paint your face all the time
just to hang out and watch TV in your house.
So if anyone start us, I feel like it's it's
I'm the originator.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I'm gold dust. Let's call it what it is, dude.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Gold Dust was Dustin Rhodes could work.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
It was awesome.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
He and it's crazy with how athletic Cody is, but
he's just so slow and boring. We've gone horribly off topic.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yes, but I enjoy cove minutes in this lett do it.
I also blame the chat a little bit. I like
the chat to stoke this fire. But we digress.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
This this corner class for the twenty twenty five draft,
let's talk about it from a high level perspective. Your
thoughts on it, strengths, weaknesses, likes, dislikes as you kind of,
you know, finalize your draft board and your rankings and
your guide and all that stuff. Like, what are your
thoughts on this corner class in the twenty twenty five
NFL Draft?

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, I mean I really like it, especially at the
top right like Colorado corner Travis Hunter. I think he's
a corner. I think you sprinkle him in as a
wide receiver as much as you can. Obviously, I don't
know if there's like gonna be contract negotiations or input
from agents and saying Hey, he's a receiver, because that's
probably where he's gonna get the most bang for his
buck in today's market of the NFL. But if I'm

(09:37):
looking at it as a coach, I know that I
can sprinkle him in on my offense, but knowing that
he can take away a quarter of the field, a
third of the field in zone or man up a
guy in lockdown. Let's just say, justin Jefferson for an
entire game. Don't know if he's going to do it.
I'm just predicting it. And if he's able to do that,
And just like watching him, he's so natural and few

(09:59):
it in in his back pedal, in sitting and then
closing like he's so good with that. So I think
there's a huge value to him playing corner and you
can easily make him one of the highest paid defenders
down the road. So obviously love him. I think he's
gonna be, you know, two or three off the board
when it's all said and done. But behind him, you
got Will Johnson, you got Trey Amos, who I know

(10:21):
we both love, and we're probably gonna talk quite a
bit about Chevon revel Azari, Thomas john A. Barn So
it gets pretty deep and then I think there is
a little bit of a of a fallof But you know,
between Will Johnson and Benjamin Morrison, I do kind of
want to start here with just these two guys. As
we talk like high level thoughts, I can't tell which

(10:42):
prospect is like more forgotten about, right, Like I get
why it's happening, but at the same time, like it's
kind of bizarre. Like I do get neither player has
been healthy the last like twelve to eighteen months, but
the coverage ability for like Johnson and the ball skills
that he had in twenty twenty three, it's top tier.
It's like next level stuff, you know. And the same

(11:03):
with Morrison, Like he's got great ball skills, super productive
for Notre Dame, but he's been really banged up. And yes,
Rick rude goat heel absolutely loved the trunks. By the way,
when he wears them, he's spinning this hills nine ladies, Yeah, exactly.
But Benjamin Morrison, he dealt with hip and ankle surgeries
the last like twelve to eighteen months, and you know,

(11:23):
lower body element injuries really are concerning, So I get why,
like they're falling a little bit, and like I've heard
some stuff with like Will Johnson, like not overly physical,
doesn't want to tackle. I think part of that was
the shoulder.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah, but when you're.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Looking at just coverage guys and guys are gonna get,
you know, turnovers and create for the opposition for your offense,
there might not be two better players in this class.
So I really like him. They're both probably top forty,
top fifty picks for sure, but it just feels like
they've been forgotten about a little bit. And like when
you get through mock drafts, it's like, oh, Will Johnson's
at fifteen. It's like, wait a minute. Will Johnson was
like a top five pick going into the year. Now

(11:58):
now he's fifteenth.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
So overall, I mean, I don't want to steal the
thunder of every single player, but you know, I do
like this corner class. And you know, like for example,
Johnny Baron, the more I watch, the more I like
his game. It's just like you watch him the first
three four games and it's like, yeah, he's really good.
I just I got to see the rest of the class.
And then I go back and watch Baron again, and

(12:21):
I'm like, man, it's so easy to be his game
translate to success in the NFL As a defender, I
think he's probably more like that buzz safety nickel type guy,
even though he did play on the perimeter this past year.
But like I watch him and I'm like, man's he
kind of has like that Brian Branch esque to him,
and I just I look at him and I'm like,

(12:42):
you know, the way he buzzes down, the way he
closes on the football. I think considering if a defense
was to consider him as a player to take away
the seams, hook, curl those zones, the crossers, I think
like a team like Arizona, Jonathan Gannon would love to
have him. He's already got Buddha Baker, but you had
a guy like Johnny Barron there.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Man is that Baron and mcuba like my two dream
destinations for like those Texas dbs are both to go
to Arizona with what they do with their three safety
looks like and just what to do with like Garrett
Williams from like as from the slot, but also safety
like Baron or mccuba could be so sweet in that defense.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Oh yeah, absolutely, And I mean I know we're not
talking safeties. But Maccuba to me is one of the
top fifty best players in this draft. A little thin, right,
like thin lower half, little wiry, yeah, but man does
he make some plays. He comes up with the football
sometimes and it's like where did you come from? And
like there's times where I'd like, is he Tracy Walker
or is he more you know? Or is he more

(13:39):
like Jesse Bates? You know what I mean? Like what
type of safety is He's maybe not as physical as Walker,
but he's kind of got that wiry frame as he did.
But yeah, I love the dB class. I really like
the safety class. I know we're talking corners, so I'll
keep it there, but I like this class overall. I'm
excited to talk you know, more about round one, guy's
round two and so on.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Oh a lot to unpack there.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
And you guys, no, you're good. I I'm trying to
figure out where I want to start.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
I echo your sentiments on like in this corner class.
I'm supposed to get the top, like to be in
to have three picks in the top sixty two like
the Bills do Round one, pick at thirty and then
you know, pick fifty six and sixty two to need
a corner two like the Bills do. I think it
slots very well, like you have a shot to take
a real legitimate one at thirty or depending on how

(14:29):
things fall for you in round two, you could get
one there. And I think depending on how people tier
out their corners, I just think, like tier one through,
depending on how you tiered out, like tier four, tier
five gives you like legitimate like CB two value the
higher you go. Obviously, some guys can turn into actual
CV ones, and you know, for me, I want to

(14:51):
I do want to start with Johnson and Baron. You know, Johnson,
I think, and that's such a great point about remember
the him and Morrison, but especially Johnson, who I feel
like Johnson Johnson is one of several guys in this
draft who it's like, oh man, his twenty twenty three
tape was better than his twenty twenty four tape, and
the tackling was my biggest disappointment with him this year.

(15:12):
Like seeing his size and frame and knowing the defense
that he plays in and the school that he plays for.
I just assumed, and again me how we played in
twenty twenty three. I just figured to sound tackler and
there were times where he's grasping an air or he's
getting run through, like receivers are going through him, backs

(15:33):
are going through him, like and he's just more of
the nail than he is the hammer. And to your point,
I don't know if it's injury. I don't know if
it's like we won the Natty last year, we're not
winning it this year.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
I don't feel good.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
I want to get to the NFL, like, and I
don't feeling right like yeah, and I don't I don't
want to put that out there because I have no idea. Funny,
I think that's very like a real thing. Yeah, like
and I don't know, like dad happens with dudes, Like
some guys are just ready to be like man, like,
we're not going to the playoffs this year. This sucks.
I kind of don't want to do this anymore. Or yeah,
if your shoulder hurts but you're undefeated and you're going

(16:10):
to the playoffs, it hurts a lot less than if
you're like five and five and you're in the bottom
of the Big ten or whatever, like it just and
so I don't know if he turned off a little bit,
but the coverage instincts and I'm very careful to use
the word instinct because I feel like that gets used
as a cure all too much. I don't know if
it's instinct. I don't know if it's him diagnosing or

(16:31):
just the tape study. But you watch him, and several
people have talked about it, even just going back to
the twenty twenty four tape that interception against USC, he's
trapping the slot, like you see him sit in squat
and he lets number one go by him and he
just jumps the out from number two or like that
little hitch houses it. The ball skills, the anticipation, the size,
the coverage ability, He's just so built to be just

(16:52):
such a solid.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Sound corner in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Like yeah, yeah, Like, I really do think it's unfair
to him that he's coming out in this draft because
I feel like he's a corner one in a lot
of years. It's just that he's in a draft with
Travis Hunter. I do think he just his floor for
me is like low end CB two. I think Will
Johnson just provides you a lot of quality reps. And

(17:16):
with Johnson and Baron specifically, because I think you know,
people may have them ranked differently, But Baron's really exploded
on to the scene with the year that he had,
you know, winning the awards that he did, having the
combine that he had. Do you see a scenario where
either Will Johnson or John A. Barn fall to thirty
or I don't think Johnson will but fall to thirty,

(17:39):
or if either of them fall close enough for the
Bills if they wanted to to potentially trade up and
acquire one of them, like you do you see either
of them falling into I don't know, the early.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
To mid twenties, like the twenty to twenty three range
something like that. I think Will Johnson possibly could just
like okay, because like you think Johnson has a higher
chance of falling them Barren, I do because not saying
of things like I've heard, but like there is some
legitimate injury stuff there right, Like we talked about the shoulder,
but he did have a hamstring, He tore ligaments in

(18:13):
his toe, he had toe surgery, which is why he
didn't run. And it was just like the injuries have
been like one right after the other, and it's like
whenever a team has an opportunity or wants to get
an opportunity, to get a little bit of a closer
look on him. He is not m Ia but just
unavailable and like that that stands out to scouts and

(18:34):
departments and things like that. So like when I look
at him, I'm like, yeah, he could certainly go, you know,
eleven to San Francisco. He makes a ton of sense
for Chicago if they want to upgrade. But like you
look at Atlanta at fifteen. Atlanta has five picks. And
I actually wrote about this on the Lions where today,
like the Lion we were talking about the Lions when
we were texting last week or whatever, talk about what
they were gonna do. Yeah, like Atlanta's in a prime

(18:56):
spot to trade back, whether it's to thirty or to
twenty eight. Like according to trade value chart, it's the
Atlanta's pick is only it's worth one thousand and fifty points. Well,
if the Lions gave up a first this year, a
third this year, so you know, twenty eight one oh two.
And I'm just putting the Lions as an example for
Bills fans. You can scheme it however you want, but
the Lions have twenty eight, they take one oh two,

(19:18):
and then they take a second next year. That gives
them ten to fifty two in the total points. So
it's like, damn near identical to what they needed to be.
And it's like, if let's say, I'm not saying the
Lions like Will Johnson, if there's a defensive end or whatever,
or if there's a player like Will Johnson for the Bills,
they might get antsy and say, hey, we're going up
and getting this guy. He's gonna get healthy for us.
We're gonna do a lot more you know, zone with

(19:39):
him or whatever gonna do. We're gonna take some of
the physicality away from him and just let him cover
for us, and we'll let everybody else run the alley
and fill and do those things and be the perimeter
tackler that we want him to be. So I could
see Will fall into the fifteen range to eighteen nineteen,
maybe even maybe twenty one to pitch in Pittsburgh, they

(20:01):
don't have a second round pick, and you know, maybe
they feel like, hey, we could move back and still
get Dart or mil Row. You know who knows. It
sounds weird, It sounds really weird to trade back and
still get a quarterback. But crazier things have happened. I
just look at Barrett and I'm like Miami Indie Arizona, Like,
it's just hard for me to say that he doesn't
go to one of those spots, because, like, if Arizona

(20:23):
has any concern with the injury history of Will Johnson,
They're gonna look at Johnny Barron and go, He's clean
as a whistle, there's no health concerns whatsoever. And he's
more physical, he's more versatile, he could play outside. That
fits us a little bit better. So I think that's
why Baron would maybe go a little bit before Will Johnson.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Interesting, I'm so torn on So I think the idea
of Johnson falling is very legitimate with the things you mentioned, right,
and you add in maybe like the twenty twenty four
table wasn't great, and maybe if they do, if teams
are doing the player interviews, maybe like, again, this is
all I am completely speculating. Don't want anybody to say like, oh,

(21:00):
did you hear this, or like, why do you think this?
Maybe he doesn't interview great. Maybe people think like, oh,
he did turn off in twenty twenty four and we
don't like that. And then if you add that up
with the injury things. Maybe it's like, well he doesn't
take care of his.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Body, or maybe things unravel.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
I don't know, but just even off of what you
said alone, I think there is a shot that Johnson
could fall.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
I think it's really interesting to see which.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
One falls more, which one goes before the other, Because
for so long I just thought Will Johnson was like
the easy plug in CB two, like for everyone's I
don't I avoid everyone's rankings until I've completed my own.
The most I talk rankings with anyone's purely Yes, it's
purely you. And that's it, just because like I'll look

(21:41):
at somebody and I'll ask you questions that we just talked, Paul, Like,
I literally avoid anything and everything.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
I avoid your guide, I avoid your tweets, I avoid everyone.
I put my head in the sand. But I just
assumed Hunter one, Johnson two, done and dusted. But I
was like, Okay, Johnson could fall like a little bit.
There's a chance, Baron, I like so much. But as
you already like alluded to and mentioned, I wonder my
thought is he could fall a bit more? You could

(22:08):
make the case that he could fall.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
I'm speaking on both sides of my mouth. Here that
he could fall you know, pass Johnson or be picked
ahead of him because of the versatility, And I wonder
do teams see that as a boon and be like, oh,
we want to use this guy you know the Brian
Branch compas tremendous. Do we want to use him as
this apex player, dime linebacker you know, hook curl defender

(22:32):
like spinner type of role who can cover tight ends
and do all this stuff or do teams view him
as a true outside corner and then going from there,
which one.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Fits better for most of the teams.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
I feel like having that type of versatile role narrows
the scope of what teams could grab him, where if
he's just a true outside corner, it increases the odds
that okay, like because a corner is a corner. Yes,
certain teams have archetypes and benchmarks that they like to hit,
but a corner will take a guy whereas Baron. I
feel like, do teams need that type of role? Do

(23:07):
they want that type of role? And if they're not
viewing him as an outside corner, then he could fall further.
And I just think that's such an interesting question because
for me, For me, I've got Baron a CB three
and Johnson is CB two, And as we've gotten a closer,
I'm just like, could Baron go ahead?

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Could Baron fall into the twenties? Could fall into the twenties,
And there's all these like different questions of like who
falls and why based on how the board falls and
how these guys are viewed. Yeah, I guess, I guess
The big question to that is, just like, all right,
if Johnson and Baron aren't going there, what's going in
front of them? Like, we're not gonna see a run
on quarterbacks. We know that there's maybe two in the

(23:44):
top ten, and shad Or if he doesn't go to
the Giants at three, where's he going? Is it the Saints?
And if not, now he's falling and now we only
have one quarterback. We're gonna see a push for offensive tackles.
I think I think we're gonna see both tight ends
go within the top twenty.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Yes, yeah, maybe do we get so if we're paying
if we're playing the Bills, say the Bills are at thirty,
do we get two running backs in the top twenty eight?
Do we get Gentee and Hampton?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
It's possible, I mean and if it's not Hampton, is
it Judkins? I mean there seems to be like like
that late buzz for him. How many receivers do we get?
That's actually they ad like that's the big question, like
how many receivers do we get? Because I think the
corners will start going at some point and then it's like,
all right now the Bills, if they want their guy,
they're gonna have to make that move because I'm fully
set the Bills are taking a corner. Like I could

(24:32):
be wrong, I haven't heard anything or whatever, but like
just looking at the way teams have constructed the rosters
and and have attacked free agency. I know they brought
back Benford and it gave them the extension and all that,
but like this is a team that needs to get
another corner.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
The only way that for me, the only way the
Bills don't go corner at thirty is if there's just
like a run which like six corners go in the
top twenty nine. And that means like uh oh, Derek
Harmon or uh oh, some edge we really like fell,
or there's or Malachi Starks fell. Because of that, like
there's got to be some run on corner that prevents

(25:08):
them from taking a corner. Yeah, because somebody of great
value with some other spot fell exactly.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
But this is like you said, they got two second
round picks. It's easy for them to piece thirty and
fifty six, thirty and sixty two and get up to
let's just say Minnesota for example, at twenty fourth. They
have four picks in this draft, like they are. The
cupboard is bear there and they need help defensively do
but they could move back to thirty. They could take

(25:33):
Maxwell Harrison at thirty and Minnesota goes up, or Minnesota
Buffalo goes up and gets Trey Amos, they get Johnny
barn Will Johnson. I mean, I look at Will Johnson.
Does he get past Harball and the Chargers? Does he
get past Seattle and their coach who was the defensive
coordinator at Michigan you know years ago over yeah what
two three years ago?

Speaker 4 (25:52):
You have McDonald.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, So like Will Johnson and him might have some rapport.
So it just hard for me to say, like, Will
Johnson's gonna get past twenty two again. I see him slipping.
But I just I look at these teams and the
teams and I just how do they pass on these
talented guys, like you said, CB two, CB three, These
are top fifteen, top sixteen players in the draft in

(26:14):
a draft that I don't think is very good overall.
I think it's a good corner draft, but I don't
think it's a good draft overall. So I think teams
are going to kind of force their hand and just
take that best player, best corner, best defender on the
board at that time.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Oh Man Draft chess extast Tuesday A prit Yeah you're
just say. That's why I think what makes this first
round really interesting because there's no okay, you know this
team is taking this guy. Okay, you know this wide
receiver class is crazy, so we know like these receivers
are going or whatever. Like there's so like you, there's
so many I mean, whereas Charles put you said, non
including Travis Hunter, Like over under two point five wide

(26:49):
receivers in the first you could play this game with
like offensive line, edge, defensive tackle, like safety, like there's
so many back yes questions and bear at all these positions.
There's a lot of unknown that I think makes Round
one pretty exciting and then obviously has a huge dominal
effect for what happens going to the bills at thirty,

(27:09):
and I think from a corner perspective, yeah, kind of
putting the class into frame, and then Baron and Johnson
or Johnson Baron however anybody has them viewed, kind of
starts that first tier. I think one hundred, you know,
he's got his tier. Johnson maybe for some is also
in that tier. But I think those three comprise that,
and then you start to have that trickle down to
that conversation piece. And who knows, maybe if some guys

(27:31):
aren't getting injured this past year, maybe that top three
looks a little different. Maybe it still does for teams.
Who knows. But Russell, let's pivot here, Oh go ahead.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
No, I was just gonna we're gonna pivot. I was
just gonna add, like I think right now, sixteen days out,
it's the big overthought process and like it's all gonna
just fall right back into the general place that we
thought it was months ago. Like we're Luther Burden's gonna
go in the first round. Teed McMillan's going in the
first round. A Mecca Bouquet is going to go in
the first round. Should or Sanders going three, three or nine?

(28:00):
You know, and then maybe Dart or mill Row's a
late dart no pun intended in the back end of
the first round, you know, and like it's just all
going to be exactly what we thought. And that's why
I feel like kind of good about the way that
my board has been set up, because I'm like, dude,
I might be hitting this thing nail on the head,
like just the way that it's and I'm not doing

(28:20):
it on purpose, It's just the way the grades fell.
And I'm like, this is this might turn out to
be pretty good. But we can pivot, pivot, pivot, pivot,
like friends pivot.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
I love that pivot carrying the couch up the stairs
that's happened to me in New York apartments. I sympathize
and empathize so much with that scene. Man, I didn't.
And then to get my couch in my one apartment,
we had to take the door off the hinges, and
like the it was magnetic locks and this super heavy door.
Oh Man emphasized that.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
All right, So round one corner targets for the bills,
as we talked about in you know, the intro and
kind of opening thoughts segment of this episode.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
The Bills have pick thirty in round one. So what
Russ and I are going to do is discuss some
players that if we you know, where the Bills we
would take there, or we think the Bills should target
or take at pick thirty. We try to keep it
each between like one and three players. I don't know
Russ's answer, He doesn't know, mind, We don't know that
for the entirety of that episode. We could have the
exact same guy or guys picked.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Who knows.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
But this is all based on the odds of this.
You know, these this player or players being available at
pick thirty, their individual skill sets, their traits, then tying
into our evaluations of them their scheme fit with the Bills.
How all that coalesces into one? Russ, what do you
got for you know, round one corner targets or target

(29:36):
depending on how you got it laid out.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, I mean, I'll probably talk about two guys in specific,
I'll talk about one turn it back over to you.
If you got a guy, you know, I don't want
to steal the thunder here, and you know, looking at
Baron and Johnson, I think we kind of made our point,
like these are probably guys they trade up for we
don't think they're gonna fall there to thirty, but one guy,
I think that's gonna be there. And I'm just really
intrigued by him because like I want to love his

(30:00):
but then I don't love his game, but I still
like his game. Like it's very like kind of like
what's the wind blowing? This is how I feel about him,
but it's it's Shevon Revel, you know, from East Carolina. Like,
I think he's really intriguing. I think you're not reaching
for him at thirty because I don't think you're gonna
get him at fifty six or sixty two or whatever
those second round picks are. He's the thirtieth overall player

(30:21):
on my board, and so some people might say that's
a reach, But to me, what is he?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
What is he?

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Corner for you?

Speaker 4 (30:26):
Corner four or five?

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Let me scroll, let me scroll, let me scroll, let
me scroll, let me scroll. I should just pull up
a scouting report, which is what I'm doing.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
I love that you went first because what I did
is I scrolled to where he is for my evaluation
so that way I could speak on him and I
didn't have to do the live scrolling like you.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Had to do right now. Yeah, well I should have
wrote it down in like because I wrote him out
as you know what my answer was. But he's CB
six for me, so I got five corners ranked ahead
of him. Kind of tells people where I'm at with
the corner class, like I've got six or seven in
the top forty. So I like it. Yeah, but yeah,
I mean he's just like if he's not gonna be
available in sac round, like there's just no way. Like

(31:05):
his tape in twenty twenty three was really sad.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
I feel like he doesn't get past like forty, Like
early two is like the floor for where he goes right.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Like you look at the Raiders at thirty six thirty seven.
I just did a radio show in California and it's
like a bunch of ra bunch of I know, radio rescue.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Radio, but West Coast time changing time zones. Sorry Marty
Janetty on the radio.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Look at me xo X so we didn't reference it yet.
But which by the way, if anybody wants to know,
me and Anthony will randomly text each other during the
week and just quote Joe Dirt randomly, just fifteen lines
or rip them off and move on with our day
and it brightens my day. It genuinely does. Like I'll
have a crap day and I'll be like xo x.

(31:51):
But anyways, my wife's hearing that she's gonna be really
bad at me. Where this is off the rails. This
is maybe the worst show we've done this. I am
there not professional, you know, it's funny, and so there's
so much there's gonna be so much good like evaluation
talk mixed into all this, and there's gonna be people
are gonna tune in and see like Joe dirt and
wrestling quotes and be like, oh, there's no football talk here.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
It's like, no, you're gonna miss out on so much.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah yeah, yeah no. But like I said, he's not
gonna be available. I think the like the Raiders have
picked thirty seven, he would make a lot of sense
for them. They need a corner, so if they get
genty and then him, but like with him, he's he's
a physical corner. Don't don't put it, okay, I'm just
pulling up comments and you don't have to just keep
I saw Dorian strong and I'm gonna get mad. I'm

(32:34):
just bringing up bringing up comments that are you know,
thoughtful from oh cham what people like? You don't have
to stop keep going, We're good. But Revel is a
physical corner with some really great length. In my in
my Scotting report, I summarized him as a player that
is a well rounded defender that suffocates the opposition, because
that's what it feels like, like there's potential for him
to be an impactful starter, like right away if he's healthy,

(32:55):
and that's like we're assuming if he's healthy. I like
when he's using his technique and coverage, he just like
seems to be in like that best position possible to
make a play whenever he's doing it, like he just
undercuts those throws and picks off the quarterback left and
right or breaks up the pass. But I love the
way he can play press man. He'll turn and cover
up receivers like like a blanket. It's impressive. He looks

(33:18):
a bit tight in the hips. We've talked about this,
like when he turns and pushes vertically, just like really
high cut. But it's hard to deny a player that
six two one ninety four almost thirty three inch arms,
Like he's got almost longer arms than will Campbell, which again,
I think Campbell's a tackle. I'm not going to go
down that road. But yeah, I like Revel, I really do.
I think he's a guy that can be a starter,

(33:38):
and I think it's perfect to pair him up with
like a player like Benford. I think they would compliment
each other really well. So if if I had to
start with a guy, that would be the player I
would start with at thirty fair I no surprise, I
have someone ahead of him, but I'll talk about him first,
just so we can make this seamless.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
So and also too so I do a lot of
digging on name for NOA. I've heard that his name
that h and his first name is a lie. I've
heard that it's his name is Savone Revel.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
I'm gonna say every time I.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Thought it was chevon Revel, chevon Revel, so I'm gonna
go with I'm not even gonna say the first name,
but it's Savone Revel. Apparently I'm gonna keep going with
Revel on the back end. Yeah, I'm just throwing that
out there. I'd like him, and I do.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
I do like him.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
I want to preface that preface what I'm about to
say by saying that the thing that bothers me. And
you know I talked about a bit and you alluded
to it. And this isn't just for corner, but really
any position where you need kind of flexibility, which is
kind of all of them guys that are high cut
scare me so And for for those who don't know
what high cut means, like shorter torso, so high cut

(34:42):
like long legs, shorter type of torso. And because he's
high cut, he just plays kind of high in his movements,
like high in his pedal. When you know when he's
trying to drive on the ball, there's not a lot
of hip sync. He has to do it with his feet.
There's a good a good play U forget who it's against.
Maybe maybe it's from twenty twenty four where someone runs

(35:05):
like a deep comeback on him and it takes him
a second to get out of his like pedal and
drive on the ball. But then the quarterback's a little
late and that plus his stride and his speed and
his arm length allows him to get a PBu like
towards the sideline. You just see the length and the
speed and the stride show up kind of immediately. And

(35:27):
I think his benefit is that length and that overall size.
You know, just kind of going through my notes, so
I wrote the initial of the negative high cut high
in his back pedal when he's in bail. He doesn't
sink his hips to drive on the ball. When he drives,
it's due mainly to footwork, and he has good feet.
He's got the length and the feet to play press.
He likes to go with the two hand jam, which
I hate because two hand jams can lock your hips,

(35:49):
especially for a dude that's high cut right yep, even worse.
And then I wrote a slashes here like I wrote
being high cut slash, longer legs slash. Also maybe some
hip stiffness also will make him vulnerable when going with
soft shoe press or mirroring. I think in order to
be like a press corner, he needs to be a
true press jam type of corner.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
I don't think he.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
Has the lower body build to be a mirror match
type of dude. In that spot off the release, I
like it. He's a willing tackler, very willing and run support.
He sound as a blitzer sound in his rung fits.
He brings his body and he wraps up. I like
that physic physical aspect, so you see it in coverage.
You see it against the run, good recovery speed, ability

(36:33):
to close and run down versus the pass and the
run when he opens it up. Really good long stride
that I think what the six against app State this
year really shows it. Dude runs the overs yep and
he's just like he's just chillin' in trail and waits
for the ball to get thrown.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Is like there it is, and like sprints.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Picks it, houses it like you can tell, yeah, he's
coasting and baiting. And then because he does have speed,
but the stride like what he really gets going. You'll
watch him chase guys down from the opposite sideline because
it's that speed plus that stride, Like it's really nice.
A lot of Cover three for him at East Carolina

(37:12):
and then just single covered in general, whether it's man
or you know that single side on cover three. Also
East Carolina played a bunch of Cover three cloud, which
I think is cool, like not Cover two, actual Cover
three cloud which you don't see a ton, so you'll
see him get work as a cloud corner. He's got
a good field for zone underneath and that tackling ability
does play. He's got the speed and stride to stay
in phase.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
This is one for me too.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
That's kind of a negative mix with the positive the
speed and the stride to stay in phase on go balls.
But he can be better locating the ball downfield and
making plays on it. For a guy that's in phase
as much as he is downfield the ball, tracking end
or plays on the ball could improve. Good pressman corner,
left or right side, field or boundary does not matter.

(37:53):
I also like how he uses the boundary as a defender,
as a help defender to squeeze wide receivers in their stem.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
You will see him.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Turn and when he does try to locate the football,
and then he's just gently nudging that guy towards the sideline,
squeezing that space, suffocating him a little bit.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I like what he does in terms of just being
a an overall like airspace constrictor restrictors. I do like him.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
I have to finalize where I have to finalize what
my corner rankings are after the top three, well after
kind of my top four. I know whom I see
before is which I'll talk about him next after you go.
But I would have same guy fair, I would have
just fact out of why I put it. I would
have no problem with Ravelvie and the guy at thirty.
And to your point, I think if they do go

(38:36):
with a lot of these corners we're talking about, none
of these guys that we're talking about for thirty are
going to be there at fifty six or sixty two,
like they're not. Like then you're playing a whole different game,
which we're going to talk about as we get into
the next segment. But yeah, I would have no problem.
I do have personal worries and some questions because of
the high cut, and I just think also too, like

(38:56):
because he's high cut, you can see guys create separation
again him on their release but also on their breaks
because he doesn't have that ability to close that space
right away off the break, but he can recover and
make up ground and mitigate that because he's got a
long stride, long arms, and he's fast. But that stiffness
just or not stiffness that I think, Yeah, like you said,

(39:18):
there is some stiffness there, but it's more just that
high cut and how it doesn't allow him to bend
in flexibility that I normally like. But he can mitigate it.
Even it does, you know, create some separation issues and
then some of the ball tracking downfield. But I mean,
this is the dude who's built like a prototypical CB one,
and I think I think he can his ceiling is
to be like a CB one in this league.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Dude, if the Legion of Doom was still a thing,
he's going to seattle all day long at eighteen like that.
But it's not. I mean, still go there, I guess.
I mean, you never know, there's always surprises. But to
since he didn't test, just to kind of get people
at home an idea of like where he tested as
a track and field guy. You know, he ran it
in high school. His pr in the fifty five meter dash.

(39:57):
I couldn't find it for the hundred meter dash, but
for five meter dash it was six point nine seconds,
so not overly fast, but you know, you add an
extra fifteen yards that's obviously going to add a little
bit to his time. So probably if I had a guess,
probably in that sub four or five range. Just guessing,
but I could be wrong there.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
Yeah, I feel like he's like a four, like a
like a four to four seven yeah, right, or eight somewhere.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, and he had like an interesting journey too, Like
he was a Juco kid. He went to Louisbourg College
in North Carolina after high school. The whole season got
canceled because of COVID, So he'll be a little bit
older twenty three years old. There's other corners that are
certainly younger. But yeah, I couldn't agree more with you
know a lot of your evaluation there. And I think
he's a guy that again there's some some concerns, but

(40:45):
I think if he was to go to a place
that maybe irons out those concerns, I think maybe that
is Buffalo, just simply because of how well verse they
are at developing some of his defensive talents.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
So yeah, and and again he's in the mold. Everything
for me for a corner in this draft is I
want guys.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
And I've said this to a while. I actually I
should have said this earlier, but I've said it throughout
the off season so much. The guys I'm.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
Looking for are airspace constrictors or restrictors, Guys that just
squeeze windows and squeeze air, and they could do it
in variety ways. You have great anticipation or route recognition,
the ability to like have a quick trigger or short
area burst or an ideal for me. It's some of
that mixed with I want guys who can play press,
and I want guys who could stay in phase and

(41:26):
stay in the hip pocketed dudes, but not to the
point where they're unable to play zone and they're unable
to function in that world in terms of passing off
and collecting and reading route distributions and concepts.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
And all of that.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
And yeah, Revel is definitely in them. Would have no
qualms with him at thirty. Who else you got for
CB trigger for the Bills in round one.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
I'm gonna go with my CB four. I'm not gonna
steal potentially your CB three or four because I know
who you want to talk about it, and I'm gonna
let you talk about them, and maybe I'll piggyback a
little bit off of it, but I'll I'll say, Azire
Thomas from Florida State have come of sit. Wait, so
Thomas is your cbe who then CEB four thirtyeth Thomas
enough thirtieth overall player and like I kind of joked

(42:10):
when they made some moves like in the offseason with
the corners and stuff like that. I'm like, Ozre Thomas,
you better get on realtor and looking buffalo, like get
used to it, Like he just kind of screams buffalo.
But the player you're going to talk about next is
who I would love to see them get. But I
think Thomas is somebody that's easy to fall in love
with when you look at his tape, especially the last

(42:31):
two seasons deflected fourteen passes recorded in an interception. There's
a play against Notre Dame where he makes it incredibly
acrobatic on the Notre Dames offense is going from right
to left, and he's on the top sideline right correct, Yeah,
on the top of the screen, and he just he's
in the wrong spot. You know, he kind of drifts,
but he just somehow makes a play on this football

(42:52):
and he breaks it up. You know. Thirty two and
three h three eighth into arm six one one ninety
seven ran a four five six forty. So I think
there's some pressman concerns. The long speed's certainly gonna get
tested vertically. Form tackling needs improvements. He tends to kind
of arm tackle or leave his feet too soon or
drop to that knee and I don't know if he's
trying to hawk tackle or whatever he's trying to do,

(43:14):
but uh, it gets a little interesting and dicey for
him on the perimeter. And then obviously you know as
a physical guy, he is a physical defender. He does
get a little too grabby, but I think he does
have the body control and the desired play strength to
jam receivers and knock them back, especially in the run game.
So like if you got to you know, design screen
or something his way, he's going to try to blow

(43:36):
it up, but he might not always make the tackle,
so he's going to disrupt the play, especially like at
the point against trips, but at the same time, he
might not necessarily secure that tackle, So just make sure
you have support safety help things like that, especially like
over the top. If he's playing you know, pressman or something,
you'll definitely maybe want to have a cover two or
something with help over the top. But I love the length,

(43:57):
the way he can jam and redirect. He keeps his
on a swivel, locates the football really well, disruptive at
the catch point. Like I mentioned, good body control, shows
good lateral quickness on short and intermediate routes. I think
there's some hesitation overall within his game though, like there's
times like in zone where he's hesitating a little bit,
or in in tackling when he's there he's he's hesitating.

(44:18):
But again, overall, I think there's the desired skill to
be a pressman, corner just an off even if off man.
You know, I think he closes relatively well the football,
So whether it's zone, offman, little press man, there's things
that's gonna get him tested. But if you can bring
him in and kind of redefine a skill set and
get him wired right. This is a guy that will

(44:39):
turn twenty one years old in July. His older brother
plays for the Dallas Cowboys's safety pretty much practice squad guy.
But I think this is a guy that has experienced
thirty six games only thirteen starts. So still, like I mentioned,
rough around the edges, but you're not gonna get him
in the second round. You're gonna have to take him
here at thirty. See, he's a good one who stually

(45:00):
hold them before before I pick it back. And I
don't want to answer this from Claude. I was gonna
type in the chap, but I thought it was good.
Claude says ant are most of the best CBS high cut.
He says Prime, Certain, Sauce and Revus so well, I
wouldn't necessarily classify Prime as like high cut or Certain
or Revus Sauce a little bit, but it's more of
you can be high cut but still have hip sync

(45:21):
or fast feet, yeah, or fast feet, like there's different
ways to mitigate it.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
And I think my thing with Ravel is he's high cut.
And also there's not a lot of like bend or
dip or sink in that lower body, So you can
be high cut or have longer legs, but still have
that flexibility and fluiding in your lower body like Certain
has that. Revis I wouldn't classify as high cut. He's
more just kind of an evenly proportioned type of dude.

(45:46):
Sauce I think is fair like Sauce is more of
a high cut guy, long legs, long arms. But again
he's a good example of you can be high cut
and still be kind of a lockdown dude, and you
just do it in different ways and use your strengths
to mitigate some of the various opportunity, which again I
think Revel can but yea, I wouldn't necessarily classify Sir
tan and Reeves as high cut or prime, and Prime

(46:06):
was just such an amazing athlete from a flexibility standpoint
to speed standpoint.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
He cold mitigate so many things. A really good question, Claude,
I like where your heads at? That's a good question.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
So for me with Thomas, Thomas annoys the hell out
of me because he and you alluded to it at
the end. Here he's a guy I would much prefer
at fifty six or sixty two. I don't think he'll
be there so like at thirty for me, and again
I have to solidify my rankings. He's not not in

(46:35):
my top five. But he's a guy who I wouldn't
be disappointed if they took at thirty, but someone who
I think is better suity to go like thirty five
to fifty, and I think that's where he'll go, and
you're not gonna get him at fifty six. Like if
there's a world where against there's a run on corners
or something any I don't know, anything happens and someone
in another spot falls and then you end up with

(46:56):
Thomas at fifty six or sixty two. I think like
that gets me ex because that means you probably got
a great value at thirty, like someone fell at some
other spot of need. So I wouldn't hate the idea
of Thomas at thirty. I do have him pegged as
more of like a second round type of dude, but again,
you're taking second round dudes at the back end of
round one, and rankings differ and so on.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
And so forth.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
To your point, your evaluation I agree with actually a
good chunk of it. It's so funny too, Like that's
what makes like evaluation so fun Like so many of
the things that you said, all.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Pretty much all of it I agree with, like all
of it, and I have it.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
But then like you have him as your c before
and I don't, And it's just so funny to like
it in a good way, Like it's just that's what
makes these conversations so far with someone whose evaluation and
voice I trust like yours. But he's another dude in
the in the vein that we talked about kind of
with ravel length size. But what's nice with Thomas the
fluidity for that size.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
He's got good flexibility in the body, Like you look
at him and he's another guy.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
When I initially saw the measurements. You know, six one
and a half which is eighty four percentile for one
hundred and ninety seven pounds which is forty seven percent
half weight. So you're looking at dude, he's like six
one two hundred, Like that's a big corner. And so
anytime I see those dudes, I'm like, Okay, how stiff
is he gonna be? And he's not. Like it's just
good fluidity, willing tackler. Not the most sound or the

(48:17):
most physical type of type of tackler, which I would
like considering he's bigger. But if the trade off is
a little worse of a tackler for being more fluid
with the size, I think that's a fair trade off.
I think he's got a really good trail technique when
in man, I like him at the collision point. He'll
create a collision point in trail and then he can
ride the hip and he has the athleticism and the

(48:38):
fluidity to stay in phase. I do think he can
be better in staying connected on breaks with wide receivers.
Guys will get away from him a little bit, So
kind of staying in phase on breaks is something I
would like to see him get better at I think
he's at his best when getting hands on wide receivers
early in their stem. I want to see him use
his length and frame and body to obstruct receivers.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
As much as he can.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
Again, you've got that length and size and frame and
fluidity and athleticism. But to your point, you talk about
his experience and some of like the growing that he
still can do. I think he's somebody that is and
I don't want to say this in a bad way
because I feel like people here and they think, oh,
that sucks. I think he is more project than like
immediate impact. But I think he's a guy that you

(49:21):
could take at thirty. He battles, maybe wins your CB two,
and then you're sitting here maybe next year or two
years from now, having the conversation of like, oh man,
that was a really great pick because of what he
turned into and what he blossomed into. I do think
he's a little grabby at points, like you mentioned, but
again that's something that I think anytime you're a press

(49:42):
corner and you're bigger, you're gonna have some grabbiness issues.
And I think that it's just a matter of can
you clean it up. Can your coaches help you clean
that up? But yeah, I he's somebody who I have
tab more for the second. But I can understand very
much if the Bills or even if someone else took
him at the end of round one or even early
in round two. The length plays, the athleticism and the

(50:04):
fluidity plays, and he makes some really great plays on
the ball, like he talked about.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Yeah, I think the only thing that really I don't
want to say saved him in my evaluation was just
like revel is coming off the torn acl and I
like have that concern. And then we mentioned the high
cut stuff. So it was like, well, once I got
to the next kind of tier, because once I got
through Baron and Amos, and I might I actually might

(50:30):
not have this number, right, I might have jacked it up.
He might actually be my CB five now that I
think about it, m M, because I have I have
it's Amos. So that's what I'm about to talk about.
That's why I thought you had his CB four at first. Yeah,
I have it marked wrong. I have BARONESS three and
good thing we caught this. Yeah, yeah, I'm an idiot.
That's on me. Well, yeah, he's my TV five, So whatever, Apple, whatever,

(50:55):
And so that's so.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
That actually kind of aligned the way mine is shaking
out right now. I've got Hunter Johnson, Baron Amos at four,
Revel at five, and then six through like eleven is
a dog fight for me, and I can't figure out
how to solidify it. But Thomas could be six, Harston
could be six.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Yeah, there's there's there's a lot of that. That's fair.
Oh interesting. So do you want to talk about it?
You want keep talk about Thomas? You want to talk
about almost Well, I was gonna throw up a kind
of a scenario for you and kind of get the
chat thinking, or get you thinking. You know, let's say
you pass on the corner at thirty and hypothetical he's
you know, Thomas is sitting there at forty six, Atlanta's

(51:36):
got picked forty six. We just talked about not a
lot of draft capital, things like that. I don't know
if you would have to part ways with fifty six
and sixty two, But what if you parted with like
fifty six and I don't know, and a round four
pick yeah, one oh nine and something next year? I
don't Maybe I'm giving up way too much. I don't
have the trade value chart in front of me, but
you give up that to get up to forty six

(51:57):
and you take an Azara Thomas. Would you be okay
with that? Depending on who they took at thirty.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
Yeah, I would be okay with that. Like, I think
that gets you your CB two where who fits what
you want schematically and has the traits and the tools
that you would like. And again my thought is there,
if you're doing that, that means you probably ended up
with all that means at thirty you probably went with
Derek Harmon or Darius Alexander or TYLERK William like some

(52:24):
sweet defensive tackle or Malachi Starks.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Or dude, if Malachi Starks is at thirty and he
doesn't go at twenty eight, I'm driving a buffalo. I'm
gonna be mad. Somebody really mad like that.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Would that to me would mean like somebody sick fell
and okay, I gom okay, kind of pulling that trigger.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
And again I think that's a fair spot. I don't think.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Again, I don't have the chart in front of my
in front of me, but I would think like if
they moved up from like fifty six to that falcons
pick it, maybe.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
It costs you. I really think if they could do
that for like a fourth this year, they have so
many four they have multiple fours, they have multiple fives,
like maybe cost your four and five. You're only not
moving up too many spots.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
Yeah, wouldn't that type of deal.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Yeah, it could get It would definitely get done because
pick forty six is four to forty on the trade
value chart. As far as points, Buffalo second round pick
at fifty six is three forty. If you add it
in pick one oh nine, that's seventy six points. You
might have to give up a fourth next year, or
I guess you could give up an additional fourth this

(53:24):
year as well. I don't know. They've got so much
capital like they would be okay, I think with whatever
they decided to do.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
And that's my thought, like there's so much Day three capital,
like I don't mind again, and I'm sure most teams
would say this, like I have no problem cashing in
some of my Day three chips to get more Day
two chips. It's just harder in terms of that's like
trying to trade all like the crap on your bench
in Fantasy for like a starter on someone else's. It's
like I don't want your backup tight end and your
two backup running backs for my star receiver.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
But in the trade value world, who knows?

Speaker 4 (53:55):
So do you want so? Now, do you want to
talk about.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Another guy here around one? Well, I don't know. Did
you want to talk about it or you want me
to talk about him? Oh?

Speaker 4 (54:01):
You can lead with a.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
I mean, I'm a thousand percent talking about tray a
most regardless of if you talk about him or not.
Like you're the guest, so you could one thousand percent
go first. All right, well the next guy and I'll
move on from round one guys. But uh, Trey Amos
to me, I mean, I don't know if he's gonna
even be there at thirty I think twenty. It's crazy
that we've gotten to this spot where, not to interrupt,
you would like I'm gonna rupt you. I guess no,

(54:24):
you're fine.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
I've I've been so high on him since before the combine.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah, and then like to watch the conversation of like
me talk about him, people be like, that's way too high.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
He's not around one guy, not around one guy. And
now we're at the conversation where a lot of people
are like he might not be there at thirty. It's
been such a like a good feeling for me to
know that, like the community and like Nashally, like Daniel
Jeremiah mock him to the packers, and like these guys
are kind of seeing what I saw organically.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
But it's so disappointed because I was like, this is
a lock at thirty. I'm like, oh, now he might
go before that.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
It's so gut wredsheet.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
I mean, but you watch him. He's a no brainer man.
Four four to three in the forty, which was my only.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Question really on tape, like does he have long speed?
And then he runs a four to four to three
at the combine.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Right, like if you're caught on the thirty two and
a half inch vertical. Okay, he just maybe wasn't explosive
at that point during the combine. I mean, that was
maybe one of the it might've been one of the
last you know, things that he did. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
It's also weird too, because he's got that so that vertical,
like you mentioned, twelve percent out for that, but then
for the broad jump, he's a seventy seven percent out,
which is also measuring explosion.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
It was the weirdest, like did you slip and fall
in your art? Like what happened to you? I think
it's one of those like where depending on the point
of the day, like you're just kind of you're maybe
a little gassed, you know, like you're using it all
to around the forty You're using everything you can for
the short shuttle or three cone or on the field
drills or whatever. So who knows, but you just watch
him on tape. Man, he's so fluid. He is just

(55:51):
an easy evaluation in my opinion, the way he can
mirror receivers with control and with ease. He plays under control,
He's got good bird to click and close, he works
his hands through the catch point. He looks comfortable playing press. Man,
you're gonna love this. I mean, this is what you're
talking about all the time when you when we're talking

(56:11):
about him, of how he transitions nicely from one route
to the to the other, playing in zone, disciplined eyes.
I think form tackling could use some improvements, fighting off
some blocks at times. I think there's times that maybe
he reveals his chest too much when working vertically kind
of takes him off tracks. So like you know, you
get a little grabby downfield with the receiver, they're able

(56:32):
to create a little separation there. But yeah, he's he's
got a very interesting journey, right like he played it.
He went to Ole, Miss kind of finished his career,
but he started at Louisiana, went to Alabama.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Alabama good Bama tape has some fun Bama tape at times.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Yeah, you know, he played in fourteen games but only
had one start, just less than ideal. But yeah, this guy,
I just think is one of the easier evaluations top
twenty player for me, and I I think when you
look at just the overall you know, first round, Seattle
at eighteen, Arizona at sixteen, went you know, Atlanta at fifteen,

(57:08):
Like I could see it, and there's like a common thought.
I guess, like maybe he's very comparable to AJ Terrell,
which I can see. But at the same time, like,
and I'm not a pro comp guy. I hate pro comps,
but I do like getting like a little vibe sometimes,
and you know, there were times like I'd watch him
and I'm like, man, he kind of reminds me like
Darius Slay and just like there's kind of that to

(57:31):
his game, and I wasn't Darius Slay's biggest supporter was
when he was in Detroit, more so because he talked
a lot of trash and didn't always back it up
aka getting you know, just beat up on by Damarius
Thomas on Monday Night Football. I'm not salty about it.
Uh over it? Yeah right? But no, I like Trey
Amos is a perfect fit in Green Bay. He's the
Jay R Alexander replacement for them. So uh, I think

(57:54):
he's gone, But if he's at any way in striking distance,
package those picks and go get your boy, because he
would be a home run for Buffalo at thirty or
moving up. Yeah, he's.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
I've flirted with the idea of putting him as CB three,
Like that's how much I've just liked his game, and
I've got I've told you this too, Like when I
get bored watching other like players, not even corners, like
other players at other positions, It'll be like late and
I'm like bored of watching someone else, Like I'll go
back and watch another tray a most game that like
I haven't watched yet, And so I pretty much watched

(58:28):
everything for like his twenty twenty four like season, and
he again in that mold of like an airspace constrictor.
But it's a combination of how he does it, so
he's not overly long. You know, thirty one in a
quarter inch arms, which is forty first percent out for corners.
So he does have some length, but he's not overly long.
But his ability to stay in phase through a combination

(58:49):
of footwork and arm length is just what gets me
so much. And you pair that with how comfortable and
effective he is impressed both soft shoe and true. Now
he is more of a soft shoe corner, that type
of mirroring type of guy, because he's got the feet
for it and he's got the athleticism for it.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
But he will jam you. I do like when he
you know, when he turns and runs. Impressed.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Man, he has that textbook like he looks to stab
that near hip or that near shoulder when he turns
and he runs. With this guy, he can play left side,
right side, boundary or field. You talk about one of
the things I really like the transitions and his ability
how adept he is at passing off and collecting from
the route distribution.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
This what I'm gonna explain.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
This may seem so simple, but like he's the corner
to the solo receiver side in a three by one,
so he's only got one one pass catching option to
his side. His man runs a drag to the other
side of the field. He drops into his coverage. I
think it's cover four on this play. He drops, but
his man runs a drag.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
So what does he do.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
He gets his eyes to the three wide receiver side.
He sees a post coming from the number three on
the other side, So what does he do. He works
his way and he takes away the post. And you
see that like his ability. We talk about it with
offensive lineman. You don't know this, like you don't have
anything to do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
What do you do?

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
You find work and all of a sudden you crush
somebody who's you know, you're a guard. You find some work.
You crush the edge who's working on your right tackle.
His ability to find work in coverage is consistent and
his ability to you know, we talk about the man
coverage or the match coverage pieces all the time, you know,
match carry deliver. His ability to carry somebody or deliver
them to his partner and then fall off and collect

(01:00:25):
the next guy that's come in into his space. His
ability to speed turn and carry someone and see someone
like on a rail route in his periphery and speed
turn and then get and make a play on the ball.
He did that multiple times in twenty twenty four, and
I think that shows his zone and his spatial awareness,
the ability to locate the football make plays on it.

(01:00:46):
You know, he can locate the football downfield and make
a play, or he can read the wide receiver's hands
and body language and punch through while keeping his eyes
locked on them. I think he's somebody who can play catchman, bail,
true press, soft shoe, or offman. I did initially on
the tape have questions big My biggest questions were the
long speed, which he essentially kind of you know, put

(01:01:07):
to bed with running that forty time, and I haven't
seen any like agility testing from it, like the three
cone stuff. For I did have some change of direction
questions for him for him at times, and maybe that's
what like ties into the vert I'm like, okay, he's
not maybe he's not the most explosive guy, but he's
got good, clean feet and he's got good movement. So
it's not something that I was like, this isn't gonna

(01:01:28):
play but my biggest questions were some change of direction
and some long speed stuff like you mentioned giving up
your chest a little bit. He does have good size,
but letting guys get into his body a little bit.
As a tackler, I like that he You know, he
is a willing tackler, but he is more of a
He's more of a nail than he is a hammer.
Like he's not coming up, yes, but you know he'll

(01:01:48):
get guys down. He's sound coming up, and it's not
for lack of willing. You know he can crack replace.
He'll come up as a forced player in cloud coverage.
Like he's good from the run defense aspect. I just
like him so much, and I do for a guy
who can play physical and play press. He's not overly grabby.
I just think again, that ability to play press and

(01:02:09):
also stay in phase with guys through a combination of
footwork and arm length. It just sets him so far apart,
and I think he is He's the answer for the
Bills where they shifted too far to the traits with
Kyrie Elam. They shifted too hard to the size and
the length and the speed and the athleticism and four
gone and went past all the zone awareness, spatial awareness,

(01:02:33):
comfortability in that you don't have that with Amos. You've
got somebody who has the zone and the spatial awareness
and functionality and comfortability and capacity with somebody who is
comfortable and effective in man and press man in particular.
I think he ticks so many boxes. He right now
is my dream scenario at pick thirty. There is another
dream scenario I have at thirty that isn't a corner

(01:02:55):
that's conversation for next week. But yeah, he's He's my
darling at this point and a guy that I'm pounding
the table before. And you shut your mouth by saying
that he's gonna go before thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Yeah, no, I I hope he doesn't for your sake.
But I kind of like, I love what the Lions
have done with like their cornerback room, But at the
same time, I kinda wish they would have waited and
then set themselves up to go get a guy like
Trey Amos, because I know he's gonna go right in

(01:03:27):
that range like where he was like in reaching distance
for them, and they're not gonna get him, and he's
gonna just be his stud wherever he goes. But he
could be the pick at thirty and if he is,
he's a no brainer.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
I would love that and it would make my like
post draft episodes so easy because I have so much tape,
so much tape on him, like I have clips.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
I've got stuff saved that I haven't even posted yet,
Like I've got so many things in my notes.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Yeah, he uh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
I think that drag route you were talking about, I
can't remember. It might be LSU or missing Okay, yeah,
it's a the back. I'm like, I think that's LSU.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
I think I forget who and then Lacey for LSU.
I'm pretty sure Lacy's the one who is the number
three on the other side who runs the post. He's
either the solo receiver and he runs the drag or
he's the three on the post. Because him and Lacy
were battling for a multitude of that game. He had
a couple of really great coverage reps on Lacy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
I just dig so much for Amos and I've watched
him against a variety of talent and teams, and yeah,
you see him just play.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
You see the technique, play the traits, play. I would
welcome and then him as a pairing with Christian Benford. Like, man,
you just set yourselves up outside for a long, long
while to come anybody else in your round one target category.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
No, I'm good as far as round one, I think,
you know, Like as much as I love this corner class,
as I kind of mentioned, once you get past the
top six or seven players at the position, I think
there starts become a little bit of a drop off.
And I say that because I'm not sold on Darien
Porter from Iowa State whatsoever. You hate him, I don't

(01:05:01):
hate him. The other night you were like, I can't
I can't watch the State. Yeah, I can't watch it, dude,
I can't watch his freaking tape. He's six foot three,
runs like the win, great fluidity, but he might be
the most least physical defender in this draft. And that
is just it's bad, man, Like, he just does not
get physical on the perimeter. And I think the league

(01:05:22):
is starting to change where they value these more physical
run defenders.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
You got to fit the run from a schematics standpoint,
and you also have to be able to finish.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Yeah, Like that's why you know, And I know Arnold
slipped a little bit last year, but he was a
player that they really liked.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
So he was almost like a run first type of corner.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Yeah, but like he was a player that like the
Lions really liked and other teams really liked. So I
just I don't know, man, I think there's a little
bit of a drop off once you get past these
kind of top six or seven names that we talked about.
So yeah, I'm excited to talk about what might be
either at fifty six or sixty two.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
I the last one that I'll mention, I'll probably actually
I'll save him for.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Round two because he kind of fits, uh for some conversations. Yeah,
that's uh, I like that round one conversation. All right,
let's pivot round two cornerback targets. And I normally mentioned this.
I know I didn't in this episode, but a lot
of you folks have been doing it already. If you're
here joining us live, feel free to put up in
the chat. Who are you targeting, who you like, why,
so on and so forth. I know people have been
throwing a lot of names through. I knew we were

(01:06:24):
organically going to talk about some of them, so I
haven't answer them there. I know there's some other questions
about some.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
Day three corners. We're going to be getting to day
three corners, and I'm sure covering a lot of the
guys you folks mentioned. If not, I've started a bunch
of these comments and we'll hit these guys. But yeah,
if you're watching it home, let us know who you're targeting.
Why if you hate our targets, so on and so forth,
all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
All right, Russ, the floor is yours round two draft
target or harder gets for the Bills at the cornerback position. Yeh,
So I'm gonna start with Maxwell Harriston out of Kentucky.
He's my fifty fifth overall ranked player. I'm not I
like I like him, but then I don't because he's

(01:07:15):
only one hundred and eighty three pounds. I don't necessarily
know what you do with that. It kind of showing
up on tape like the thin wiry frame doesn't always
hold up with contact. He had the shoulder injury. It
kept him out, you know, somewhere between five or six
weeks something like that. I like the range that he has.
I like the ball skills. I like that he you know,

(01:07:37):
kind of has that high turnover probability and and making
plays on the football so much juice. Yeah, there's so
much to like there with his athleticism thirty nine and
a half inch vertical, ten to nine broad four two
eight forty. But I look at him as a guy that,
like the speed doesn't always match. Like there's times like

(01:07:58):
he gets beat and I'm like, wait a minute, you're
for like a sub fourth three guy, Like what are
we doing? I thought, footwork wise, like gets crossed up
at times. Some of that lateral quickness that I feel
like he possesses isn't always there, Like he just gets lost.
But my biggest caveat with him was just like in zone,
I felt like he played with really bad like spatial

(01:08:19):
awareness or i discipline at the time. I felt like
he like would either drift or he would like get
caught looking in the backfield. So he's got some things
to clean up. And I know, I'm like talking about
a player that you should target. And I'm just bashing hum,
but I'm talking about the negatives because there are some positives.
Press defender. I think he's good there in press man,
he's got the one so.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
Crazy for his size and frame, and you're like, oh,
he's probably like an offer zone corner. It's like, nah, dude,
he plays press and he's good at it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
In battles, yeah, like he's he's a battler man. So like,
I think he's a guy that you draft, you develop. Again,
you're talking to number two corner. Maybe the potential will
be a number one. We'll see. Like I thought it
was interesting on my Craftable, one of the top two
comparisons for him were Denzel Ward and Marshawn Lattimore. I
don't think he plays like those guys at all. Oh

(01:09:08):
he did get Max Melton as well, which I loved
him coming out of that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
I wish there were more play style comps on like
instead of just pure measurement comps because they see the
comp and I'm like, oh, okay, and then I'm like,
wait a minute, they don't play like this at all.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Yeah, I mean maybe like DJ Turner from Michigan is
kind of comparably, he's he was like a one hundred
and eighty pound guy, but again you're talking about more
of like a second round pick type of players. So
there's a lot to like with him. I think he's
more a little bit more of a project, but he's
going to contribute. He's going to contribute at a high
level at some point. I think as a rookie, there's
some good length there, there's press coverage skills. I think

(01:09:41):
he can work in zone, but he's just got to
work on some of the awareness and where he is
on the field. With that, overall, we're talking about pick
what fifty six. I don't think you can get upset
if you ended up with Maxwell Harrison, Who's a guy
that's getting kind of that round one buzz. So I'd
be a little surprised if he he got in the
first round. But again, teams do love those four to

(01:10:03):
three guys, So maybe he ends up going a little
bit sooner than we think, and maybe he's the guy
at thirty. I don't know. I don't I don't think so.
I don't think so. But again, if he's there at
fifty six, I think it's a guy that you would
definitely love to have. So he he was one the
guy who I consider talking about to end the round
one segment, and for two reasons. One like you hit

(01:10:25):
it kind of on the head, like hey, and I'm
gonna get into my evaluation on him in a minute.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
But the speed, like it's just it's just so real,
the speed and the twitch. You see it play in
the short area, you see it play in the long
speed like I mean his ten yard split is one
point five seconds, which is the eighty six percentile, and
then his four to eight forties the ninety nine percentile.
Like it's just speed for days in the short area,
but also from a long perspective, and you know, it

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ties into one of his negatives, like I literally wrote,
like will get fooled on routes and zone even on
vertical routes, but is able to seamlessly back in phase
due to athleticism and speed, And I forget. I think
it's is it the Texas game, Maybe it's Georgia he's playing.
He's the outside corner to the bottom of the screen
tech the offense is going from right to left, and

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he opens up to the sideline thinking the receiver is
just gonna run a go and instead the receiver puts Georgia.
Receiver puts it outside foot in the ground and runs
a post and Harriston is completely fooled and he speed turns.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
He's opened up the sideline. It's just like he's like, okay, Andy,
speed turns closes him down in a heartbeat.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
The ball is a little late, you know. No, I
think it's Texas because you weer throws the ball and
I was like, oh, typical Quinn, you were throw He's
late and it's a little bit makes sense, yeah, which
is so terrible to me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
But so the ball's a little late, but still the
recovery speed like he he gets beat and calmly and
seamlessly just runs down this post thirty yards downfield and
ends up making getting a PBu. Then he gets to.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
Where the ball is, jumps up high points knocks it
down the easiest thing. And I was like, oh, I
could see somebody. I could see him creeping up into
the back end of round one. Because of that speed,
because of that athleticism, because of the twitch, all of it.
Now for the Bills in particular, and I think this
will tie into other teams, the off the field stuff.
I wonder if that just completely takes him off the

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Bills board. Yeah, because it's not even just like all
some characters stuff like it's some not great stuff. For
those who don't know, you can google it, look it up.
All that type of Star City chief. He's a chief,
he's a chief fair.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Yeah, he's for I'm not even gonna make any any jokes,
but yeah, yeah, I just don't think he's the kind
of guy that they want to swim in their pool
if they are if the Bills, that might be, and
there might be some other teams that feel that way
as well, So if that was gone, he honestly would
be a target for me with the Bills at thirty

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even despite some of the concerns, because even like the tackling,
the tackling is a big one that I have as well.
He's willing.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Guys that are willing, I think you can show improvement,
you can coach up a little bit because he is willing.
But you mentioned it, he's a poor TACKLEO like his
angles and decisions and run support as far as like
a fit player and a forced player, they're questionable. And
then because of the size and the frame, he'll miss
tackles but he's got forced fumbles. He's fitting inside like
the C gap and the B gap on inside runs,

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and he's in sticking dudes like so it's it's almost
this high variance of like, Wow, look at this smaller corner,
make this tackle, and then two plays later, for the
next three plays you're like, oh, Okay, that's what I
thought he would tackle. Like, but he's willing and you
see good reps, but then you see really bad ones,
and I think that can be coached up a little bit.
I also think some of the recognition can be coached

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up a little bit. And even though I think he's
more of a press and a man guy right now
than he is a true like spatial awareness let me
read this, you do see it and flashes like he
can fall off and coverage. He will bait quarterbacks and
he knows what his speed is, so he'll sit and
kind of wait and bang and pull that trigger. And
that's when in trigued me with him from the Bills perspective,

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and really, for any team, I just think you want
athleticism back there. You want speed, especially for a secondary
like the Bills that isn't overly athletic like Benford is
a legit CB one, not the most athletic type of dude.
Taylor Rapp is in a line to start for you
in the secondary, not a burner, not the most athletic
type of dude. We'll see if Cole Bishop wins that
other safety spot. It will be nice to have a

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guy on the outside who has that juice and has
those type of traits, And again think could be coached up,
so I wouldn't be sur initially. I wouldn't have been
surprised if the Bills took a shot at him at
thirty or if he crept into the first round with
the off the field stuff. I think that knocks him
into the second round for teams. I wonder if it
knocks him off the Bills board completely, But if that

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wasn't an issue, He's a guy that I would I
would be thrilled with in round two. And I do
think given some of the frame concerns and the tackling
and some of the eyes stuff that you mentioned, that
I'm on board with.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
He does strike me as more of a solid, a
very solid on two corner and a guy that I
would love at fifty six or sixty two, probably more
fifty six if not for the off the field stuff,
which personally bothers me but also makes me think that
it takes him off the board. But he's got some
really some good tape against some good teams Texas, Georgia,
like he does his thing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
The Louisville tape is good. I know Louisville wasn't like
a baller team this year, but yeah, yeah, thought he's
got some good tape. Yeah, the off the field stuff
was why he kind of was at fifty five because
I was like, man, he's really talented, but like, for example,
I'm just gonna use Mike Green as a defensive end,
like he's got fifteen tape when he wants to turn
it on, but he doesn't play against some of the

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best competition. And he did turn it on, like what
he did eighty four tackles a defensive end. It's ridiculous.
But at the end of the day, like there's some
off the field stuff there where I'm like, dude, i
gotta put him in the twenty range because I don't
want to. I don't want to burn myself here and
be like, yeah, he was a top ten player and
he's actually a pos off the field, you know, like
still I'm gonna play to the part of the media

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role that I have or whatever and just go with
some of them.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
Now, this is why I wish we joke about it,
like we get all the All twenty two and the
on field stuff. I wish we had All twenty two for,
like the interviews at the combine or the pre draft visits,
like I want to know, yeah, just get me, Like
that's part of my favorite I said it on last
week's episode, like some of my favorite content all year.
Or the draft interviews that teams put out once they
draft a guy of like when they met with them

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at the combine or their visit or whatever. Like that
stuff matters so much because that's when you get to
peek into who a player is and what they are,
how smart they are, but their character, their personality. Do
they vibe with your coaching staff, Do you think they'll
vibe with your culture? Do you think they're a detriment?
Are they good enough that they can overcome that detriment
you're still willing to take a swing. So much of
that matters. And I said it on Twitter earlier today,

(01:16:45):
like when you get to the NFL, even when you
get to college, but especially when you get the higher
you go up, like if you're playing like top level
high school, and then if you're playing college and you're
playing in the NFL. Once you get to that spot
in the NFL, everyone is good at football, and they
all have varying levels size and athleticism and traits and
skill sets and all this stuff. But what separates the
bad from the man, and the math from the good,

(01:17:07):
and the good from the great, and the great from
the Hall of Fame is the mental side of it.
How you see the game, how you prepare, how hard
you work, how you study, all of that, And we
can't tell that by watching stuff on the field, although
we can try to we can try to piece some
of them together. But yeah, I would love to get
some like some of the especially for a guy like
Harston like and a guy for Green as well, like,

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because Green vehemently denies both allegations even though they're the same,
and one came in high school and one came in college,
and it's like, that's not a good look for you.
But he calmly and vehemently is like, now they're both
not true. That's why I wasn't charged. YadA YadA, Like, yeah,
so what does the interview process look like? Like, what
does the investigation work the teams have done, like off
like aside from the interview piece, Like how much does

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that track? Yeah, it's a it's an unfortunate part.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
There are times, like on the field where I'm like, oh,
he's doing it. He's getting mad. There's something going on
with this guy, like not saying anything. And I'm just
using this one player as an example, Tay Felton from Maryland,
the receiver. There's an instance where like a ball is
he's wide open and like the ball is launched to
the moon and he's just like doing this going towards

(01:18:13):
the sideline because it was a third down, big key
down in distance or whatever in the game. I can't
remember who they were playing, but like you could tell
he was visibly frustrated. Not saying he's a bad player
or anything like that, but it just like got me
thinking all that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
That was my think of like the the Jermaine Burton
stuff last year, and I saw the clip of what
happened after the Tennessee game or whatever, and I heard
some other out rumblings too, and then like you watch
how intense he is on the field positively and negatively,
and I would hear stuff and I'd be like, all
that tracks because I watch him make this he got.
I forget what game it was, but he got He

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made a catch early on. Maybe it was against A
and m no, I don't know. He made a catch
early on and got stuck by this corner and got
stopped on like third down. And he made like four
catches after that on this corner.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Every time he caught it, he got up and got
into that corner's face to like bark at him like crazy,
and I was just like, oh, I like it. But
then after like the second and third time, I was like,
all right, dude, he gets it. Yeah, just all right, dude,
like he made a play. You made a play.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Calm down, Like I was just like, oh like this
stuff kind of or even some of the stuff with
like not to get too much into it, but like
some of the off the field stuff you hear about
Isaiah Bond, Like I would see certain things on tape
and I'm like all that kind of tracks because he
would do stuff that I'd be like, bro, what are
you doing? And then you hear some of those rumlings
and I'm like, oh, that maybe kind of tracks a
little bit. And yeah, for Mike Green, top end talent

(01:19:36):
of the draft with what he's able to do, but
some of the off the field stuff, And in Harrison,
I think a different type of dude, kind of guy
who could have propelled himself maybe into the first but yeah,
I'm interested to see what kind of fall he has
or not, Like does he going around one because teams
don't care, or does he falter into the late round
two because teams do care?

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Or is it more tape related? Like there's right, so
many interesting pieces with Harrison guys like that in general?
What else you got for round two corner targets? This
one's gonna probably surprise some people. But I'm gonna go
with a player that is higher on my board, And again,
I'm going off of my evaluation. I'm not a kind
of the same point as Aunt, like I'm head in

(01:20:17):
the sand, I'm grinding tape and uh that's it. Like
I'm not going off anybody else's evaluation here, But I'm
going with the seventy third ranked player on my board,
Jacob Parrish, the Parish. I didn't realize he was that high.
For you, this is sick. Yeah, Like I just I
think he's more of like a slot in the NFL,
right like five ten one, uh but four three five

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thirty seven and a half inch vertical almost thirty one
inch arms Like he's longer than you think. I think
he can play inside outside. Really reminds me of like
a Meek Robertson. And he's just like this solid third
round pick. Like, yes, there's some limitations with this game
where you're like, all right, I'm not gonna take him
at you know, the first round or early in the

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second round, but late in the second, early in the third.
This is a guy that you draft because he's gonna
be solid. He's gonna carve five, six, seven years in
the league. He's physical, he's feisty, he doesn't care about
his size limitations. He comes up and hits We talked
about it last night, Like he comes up in the
hole and hits camp scatabow. I got him literally saved

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in my desktop right now. Like those two clips, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
He the first one he like dies at him and
puts chest right on like knee and ankle wraps him up.
And then the next one it's like literally three plays later,
Arizona State runs duo and he's in the box and
it's third and one and he brings everything and Scatubule
gets the first down by like a half an inch,
but he brings everything and chops him down and goes

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through his lower body. And I was just like, I
was like, sign me up, I'm done, sign ready. I
do think, Oh, this is a great comment. Sorry, you're good.
This is a good comment from Charles For me. The
first thing I wrote in my notes for pairis I
wrote that he's a porn man's Isaiah McDuffie, And I
mean that is a huge compliment, like the inside outside,
some of the way that he's built and the way

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that he looks. It also might be how many long
how much he wears long sleeves, which mcduffey did it.
I was doing a lot of instilled.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Many of those guys, and it drives me nuts. They're
all wearing purple long sleeves. I'm like, who is who
right now? Dude? And I can't tell you. I could
do a full episode just on poor camera angles for
teams and teams where I can't tell which player is
who until I get like the end zone angle.

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
It drives me absolutely insane.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
But yeah, I think I think Paris is a poor
man's mcduffy with the inside outside, the play style, and
some of the specific aspects which I have been my
evaluations as well.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
I'm gonna talk about his I'm all aboard, like you
having Parish to hide this excites me greatly.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Yeah, No, I really like his game. I know that's
gonna surprise people, Like you do a mock draft simulator,
I see him at like one eighty nine, and I'm like,
that's just not realistic, Like it's just not like. I
really think he's going to be a much earlier pick
than people think.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
Especially with how he plays the running. Talked about it,
the inside outside, that carries a lot of value. If
teams want to play him in the slot and he
can cover and fit the run, he might go earlier
solely because of that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
And that's the thing, like if you're playing I don't know,
let's say you're playing somebody that's two by two and
he's covering the slot and the slot receiver motions across,
and you know on that side of the field you
got trips. Now now you switch over in his own
whatever you're doing maybe you're going into you know, quarters
over there, whatever the case may be, or some type
of cover two. However you want to defend that. Maybe

(01:23:30):
you're running Cover three against the trip side over there.
Who knows, But he now maybe moves into the box.
Maybe the safety rotates over to that trip side. Now
you've kind of got with a single high safety in
the middle of the field. But he's now closer to
the box. He can still play that physicality.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
Maybe you don't need you don't need him to travel
to the trip side. You can have him essentially be
kind of like, Okay, he's the will on this week's
side here, and he'll fit the run.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
In that light box and do work exactly. It just
he gives that versatile element to the defense that some
defenses don't have. And when we're talking about like the
Brian Branch, you want that dimebacker type deal. Not saying
he's going to play a linebacker role, but in a
dime you might want to put him up near the
box because of these things. So I really like him.
I think he can play press man, he stays in phase,

(01:24:15):
He's got some ball skills there. I think the biggest
thing with him was just like I thought he would
get crossed up with his feet at times. Maybe he
has a.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
Lot of stumbling, Like yeah, stumbles and falls down in
every game I watched four of them. He would have
multiple times in each game where like in a pedal
or a turn. Yeah, just like he would.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Break inbreakers and he's just like I don't know if
it was like a balance thing or his base got
too wide, And I was like.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
Are the field conditions bad everywhere you're playing? But like
no one else is stumbling, Like it's yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
And I don't know if like he was like if
he's being taught to like kind of run and then
squat and kind of sit there and wait, I don't
necessarily know what it is, but like there's some of
that start stop stuff that just worries me a little bit.
But he's a younger player, man, he just turned twenty one,
Like he's going to spend his whole rookie season at
the age of twenty one. Like there is a lot

(01:25:09):
that you can get out of this guy. I like him,
I mean I really do. He kind of, like I mentioned,
reminds me of Meek Robertson. Maybe pick seventy three is
a little too soon for people, or fifty six sixty
two for the Bill's sake, But like, I think he
can be a high level player with you know, contributions
wise as a rookie and then eventually turn into that

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CB two or CB three in this case. And if
we're running a lot of nickel, you know, this is
that's a starter. This is a guy that makes a
ton of sense. So I'm a big Jacob Parish guy.
And that was kind of the two guys that I
was talking about as far as like day two, I.

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
Really really really like him, and to your point, he's
a guy who so I was gonna talk about him
in the day three targets because my hope was he
would fall because to your point, like I have like
a saw a three on him, but the Bills don't
have a three, And maybe round two is a little rich,
but I wouldn't hate it because I love him, But
I like my hope is, okay, does he fall to

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one O nine and the Bills can get him at
at one O nine. I just like the way that
he plays, and it's so I'm just gonna go through
my evaluation piece and you know, you hit the numbers
and measurables. His arm length that you mentioned that twenty
eighth percentile for arm length, which isn't obviously amazing, but
isn't terrible. He doesn't have, you know, Roger McCreery arms,
but which is ironic because McCreery has turned into a

(01:26:29):
really solid nickel h in the NFL, another one in
the flag Camper Anth.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
It's pretty good. He was.

Speaker 4 (01:26:36):
I got a lot of crap because he had short arm.
Same thing with McDuffie. People told me neither of those
guys would be good. But whoever, I'm not that person.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
I don't care. Hey, look at who would look at it?
Who thought? Exo XO, Dear Robie rob I like snakes
and sparklers.

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
The first thing I have in my notes, and this
is like, there's so many things that like I find
interesting with it, and so the two big ones, and
I'll mentioned like the stumbling, which I kind of want
to lead with that. The first thing I have is
he does have like, oh, calm and quiet feet. He
can sit and slowly do that kickstep, calm under control,

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but then at the same time like he's fallen all
over himself. And I don't know why or what's happening?
Twitchy good breaks on the ball, he drives and closes quickly,
but also within that he's got this hiccup. I didn't
know how to like verbalize it. I said, it's like
he double clutches. He double clutches at times when planting
and driving, almost like he has to load up to

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come forward, like he'll be in kind of like that
turn and in bail and someone runs like an out
or a comeback, and instead of just like bang and
coming out, he almost has to like boom boom and
then come forward. But when he comes forward there's twitch
and he closes quick. But and so again that was
another one for me.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
I'm like, are your feet bad? Do you not have
the explosion like in your type of body?

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
But then you look at his testing numbers eighty seven
percent to he for the for eighty eight percent to
how for the broad jump, Like he's got twitch and
speed and explosion for days.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
So then I'm like, Okay, it shouldn't be explosion.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
Is it your feet? Are you getting crossed up? Like
it's just yeah, that weird double like double again, like
a double clutch like foot foot and then bang and
come out and he's not high cut, he's got good build.
So I'm like, I don't know why that's happening to you,
But I do think he's also from an outside perspective,

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and this is kind of tying into it as well.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
Wife, I was like, wondering, does he go earlier?

Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
Does he fall?

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
I don't know if teams are gonna see him as
a slot or see him as an outside or inside
outside versatility, both type of deal.

Speaker 4 (01:28:48):
I do think he can play outside. I agree with
your sentiments of like, if you want to get him
in early, you put him in the slot and if
he grows into more of a CB two.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
But you watch him and he.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
Plays a really good soft suit of shoe press. He'll
work in a punch on the release or early in
the stems, but he's got the feet and the athleticism
and the coverage shops to stay in phase against a
variety of dudes and body types in press. He's also
a really good coverage communicator and adjuster. He's the one
throwing off the hand signals yes, and if someone short
motions down into twins, he's doing the check yep. He's

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doing everything he's not. It's not just him relaying he's
doing the initial check. He's doing the initial coverage. And
then we talked about it. I wrote a fearless and
physical tackler, and then I put a star and I
see him stick Scataboo in the hole twice. You'll watch
him come up and make a quick tackle first receivers
if you know they hit a little a little quick

(01:29:40):
like smoke or a little quick hot tool. If he's
in off like, he'll just come down close the space.
Make a good sound tackler, make a good sound tackle.
He's physical, but he also wraps. I like that a lot.
He's slot capable, ability to stay in the hip pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Some negatives.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
I think the arm length and height will limit him
at times at the catch point. And then this next
one really came from the game against Arizona, some of
his reps against Tech McMillan, and then just their receivers
in general, who are a little bigger bodied. Same thing
with Oklahoma State. Bigger bodies I think will cause issues
for him in two ways, in disengaging from blocks and
at the break in routes. Bigger frames can go through

(01:30:15):
him or create separation with physicality, which is ironic because
he welcomes contact and looks to create collision points. If
he's going to play an offman coverage, I think he
has to be more of a scooch technique as opposed
to a catchman, because the catchman will leave him vulnerable
in his chest. Against Biggs, there are times where you
see guys like literally just run through him and he's

(01:30:35):
on the ground. But I also think some of that
can be tied to awareness and being coached up a
little bit more. I also don't think NFL receivers are
going to look to bully through him like college dudes are,
who are trying to send a message. NFL receivers don't
want contact. They're not trying to like do that type
of game unless they're DK Metcalf and they're throwing a
temper tantrum because they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
Get or George Pickens or something. Right.

Speaker 4 (01:30:55):
Yeah, man, Pickens is a whole different cat in it
every sycle way. So yeah, that's rarer, but it still
is somewhat of an issue for me. Sure tackler again
brings his body and wraps up, and then the coverage
versatility cover three. They also ransom three clouders. I thought
was cool, But man, capable Cover two Tampa two. You
can watch him rock a cloud corner. He's got the

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ability is that cover three, you know, deep third corner.
If two guys are running birds, he can space them
both and keep an eye on the QB and make
a play. But some of the double clutching in the
breaks and some of the footwork stumbles and sloppiness at
times along with the bigger with the struggles versus some
bigger frames or bodies at times is why I knock
him down a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
But I really like he. Amos is my top of
I also love Baron as well, but I think so
many people love John Ay Barron, so like, that's not
a flag I'm trying to plant. Becauthough you're like the
guy who won like best TB in college football.

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
Good for you. Amos is like my day one early
guy perishes that next corner that I absolutely love. And
I haven't seen a ton of people talk about him.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
It's so funny. We were talking about it last night
texting late. It's so funny. Yeah, because I was watching
him against Arizona State and you were like, oh, are
you also up watching Scatt?

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
I was like, no, I'm watching Parish but I'm clipping
scatterboo stuff because he's sick. And so, yeah, it's so
funny that you have in that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
I haven't had hurt anyone half him that high, and
so the fact that you do, I wouldn't hate it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
I like again, and I mean this is a compliment.
I think he's a poor man Isaiah, poor man's Isaiah
McDuffie and or Trent McDuffie.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
Who the hell is isaiamh You kept saying Isaiah and
McDuffie the linebacker for the Packers, but you met Trent McDuffie.
I knew. And you know what I used to do too,
when McDuffie was coming out.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
I would say, oh, j McDuffie the receiver from the
Dolphins in the nineties, Okay, and I never I don't
even watch any isa mcduffey stuff. Yeah, Trent McDuffie. So sorry, Yeah,
I think he's a poor man's Trent McDuffie. And McDuffie's
an all pro corner, So a poor man's Trent McDuffie
almost at Isaiah again, A poor man's Trent McDuffie is
like a solid starting corner. I really do think he

(01:32:56):
has CB two upside and at worst inside outside versatility.
And for a team like the Bills, who I think
always having a good answer to the backup of Taron
Johnson matters a lot. And if you've got somebody who
could do that and also compete for your CB two
or just be CB three depth dream scenario for me
is the Bills get him at one oh nine after
getting Amos at thirty, and I ride off into the sunset.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
That would be the dream, right, I mean it's possible.
It's it's possible that he isa McDuffie this whole time
should have corrected me. That's not I should have. I
should have my fault. I just didn't want to. I
was like, you know, no, it's a it's a weird
type it it's a it's a weird thing to navigate.

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
I I I understand, but yeah I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
But yeah, So, I mean, like McDuffie, I never even
think of Isaiah McDuffie. That means in the off season,
you gotta watch his film and we gotta break it down.
We gotta me and you gotta do a show. We
gotta do Isah McDuffie film breakdown for no reason? Whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
Just all the McDuffie's will do him. We'll do Trent.
We'll find some nineties Dolphins tape and watch OJ McDuffie, and.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
Then when we're done, we'll watch OJ Simpson running driving
down the highway. It's you know, and then put on
WrestleMania and we'll have a grand time.

Speaker 4 (01:34:02):
It's a good show. I'd watched that show.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
That's a great podcast. It's like eight hours long. Yeah. Yeah,
So I'm gonna move the day three same.

Speaker 4 (01:34:11):
I would say any anybody, and I'll mention to my
one last thing I do have more of this is
arranged two.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
I would look for a Z.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
Thomas to be there. I'm calling himazy because I'm gonna
try to pronounce the firstname because I screwed it up
all the time. I can't even say Trent instead of Isaiah,
so boom, there you go. But I just I just
don't think Thomas is going to be there at fifty six.
I think he's gonna go between thirty five and forty
five fifty at the latest.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
Maybe maybe he is a trade up.

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):
Candidate like you brought out earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
Another one too that I would that I like here
at this spot. Benjamin Morrison is a Day two type
of guy. You know you talked about him earlier.

Speaker 4 (01:34:47):
That's that's always why I didn't bring m up. So
that's the same thing I'm gonna say too as well.
Like he's a guy that I like the idea of here.
I also don't think he's going to be there. I
he's another one where and again we talked about it
earlier with him and Rebel. I don't know if teams
are going to be like the guy we saw in
twenty twenty three having good battles against Marvin Harrison Junior.

(01:35:07):
That's like if you told me a team has Benjamin
Morrison is CB three or CB two, I wouldn't think
that's crazy. If you told me they have Benjamin Morrison
as like CB eight, I wouldn't think that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
So I wonder where they put him.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
But some of the twenty twenty four tape was good too,
even though he was bad on an injury and then
ended up getting hurt. And he's another guy again we're
ticking the boxes. Another dude who's comfortable in press, really
good feet, fluid athlete, good soft shoe corner in terms
of press, but the size is what gets me a
little six feet one hundred and ninety three pounds, but
thirty and three eights inch arms, which is fourteen percentile.

(01:35:44):
And I do think that short arm length gets him
at times, but he can mitigate and make up for
it with really good like short area burst and twitch,
good feet, good zone eyes. He's another guy who's able
to collect and fall into windows. But some of the
things with that, I feel like he takes unnecessary risks,
like he peeks into the backfield when he doesn't have to,
where he tries to make a spectacular play by going

(01:36:07):
into a different coverage or kind of abandoning, I should say,
of banning his responsibility to make a play somewhere else.
Sometimes it works and he's got these awesome interceptions. Other
times he's kind of vacating his responsibility. He can get
caught high at the tackle point, leading to mistackles. He's
more of a nail than a hammer as a tackler
and seems to be kind of not sound in that regard.

(01:36:27):
But he is willing looks to jump routes and will
vacate his coverage responsibility accordingly, which is awesome but also
kind of not good. We'll give up separation at the
release and also on the break due to his short arms,
but he has the athleticism and the feet to quickly
get back into phase and I start again. He does
have good feet, good recovery, good closing speed that shows

(01:36:48):
on slants. He'll give up separation on the break, but
he takes two steps and he's able to close right
back down, understands where throwers are going to. He's able
to cut dudes off and kind of beat them to
the spot. And then he can get manhandled by bigger
wide receivers as blockers, and he can get run through
by downhill running backs and even quarterbacks. Bigger body qbs

(01:37:09):
who are kind of moving will get through him a
bit as well. But he's I threw him in here
because I do have a Day two grade on him.
I like him, but there were some questions I had, yeah,
that I mentioned, But well, the ceiling is there for him,
and I just don't think he's gonna be there, But
I'm putting him in this conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
Yeah, I think it's interesting, Like I think he kind
of falls into like that Garrett Williams category that we
saw two years ago, three years ago. Now from Syracuse.
He was then he had the I think it was
the torn acl if I remember right. But he got
drafted in twenty twenty three. I think he was like
a third round pick to the Cardinals.

Speaker 4 (01:37:44):
But like and they have him played like slot safety,
all this different stuff there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
He was turning into an absolute stud for them, and
the reason why he dropped was because he wasn't healthy.
So it just like it goes to show, like if
Morrison can stay healthy, he's you know, he had the
shoulder surgery in the offseason going into this past season.
Then he had the hips surgery during the season and
missed a bunch of times. So like it makes sense
like if he drops a little bit and he could
be there at fifty six to sixty too, it makes
a lot of sense. Just in my mind today, I

(01:38:11):
don't think he's there, But I'm glad you did talk
about him because he deserves the credit to be talked
about because, like I said earlier to start the show,
he is that forgotten corner and he does like come
from just a family of athletes. Like I don't know
if people know this, but like his brother Sammy played
football at Arizona in San Diego State. His father, Daryl,
played football at Arizona and was drafted in the third

(01:38:33):
round of the nineteen ninety three NFL Draft by the
Washington at the time Redskins. And Morrison's only twenty one
years old, so like his father's like a pastor now
in Arizona and stuff. But he's only twenty one years old,
still relatively young. Long speed, I think I have question marks.
One hundred meters dashtime pr was eleven point four to
six seconds, but that ideal ball skills are there, plays

(01:38:56):
under control at times, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
Yeah, he's more of a short area burst, twitch guy.
Then he has like a long speed running with dudes
down the field and closing vertically.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
Yeah, but you play them an off man or something
like that, like he's probably gonna be much.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
I would let it do that, keep everything in front
of you and take advantage of your feet in the
short area quickness and kind of let him go forward
from there.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
I just it is.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
I I'm very interested to see if teams are like, no,
we're going off the twenty twenty three tape where he
was one of the best corners in the nation, or
do they pair that with the twenty twenty four stuff again,
the twenty twenty four stuff is still good? Or this
is another guy too, Like as guys are doing medicals,
is there some underlying thing and they think he's gonna
get banged up a whole bunch And does that scare

(01:39:37):
them off of taking him early? Like can he fall
because of that?

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
Like he's a yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:39:42):
Like if again, if you told me that he's there
at fifty six, I would be like, oh, okay, do
you if you told me he goes at like thirty
six or whatever early too, I'd be like, oh, okay, I.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
Do have a question.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
How much do you think Benjamin Morrison benefited from playing
with a player like Xavier Wats Because this doesn't get
talked about enough. Exager Watts maybe one of the more
slept on guys. Top fifty player for me, I think
he's gonna end up being my safety. Two. That's Malachi
More for me. I don't know, I'm crazy. Oh, I forget,
I'm not done with safety. But yeah, I mean, but
they're like neck and neck. I mean I think they're

(01:40:15):
like ones forty five, ones forty seven or whatever. But
like Xavier Watts is the only player in the country
not named Travis Hunter that was unanimous All American in
twenty twenty three and in twenty twenty four, Like, does
that help Benjamin Morrison at all? That you've got this
freak of a safety playing on the field and patrolling
so much that he's putting you in a position, not
putting you in a position, because you've got to still

(01:40:37):
be in that position. So I'm not discrediting the skill set,
but like how much of a benefit is that for him?
And like you look at like the draft board and
stuff like that, not saying Morrison's gonna go at like
pick twenty seven to Baltimore, but Baltimore's got picked fifty nine,
Like does he make a lot of sense there? Does
he make a lot of sense for Green Bay at
fifty four? You know, you put him in a place
where there's a lot more talent, as Morrison not saying

(01:41:00):
doesn't have talent. He absolutely would make sense at fifty
six to sixty two. But like, is he a guy
that's going to be better off with some better supporting
cast or is he better off being the guy for
a defense? You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:41:10):
That's a fair point.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
And I even.

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
Even with the size. I'm like, does anybody you know,
it's a good question. I'm even with the size, like
does somebody want to put him in the slot?

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
How much does he benefit?

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
Yeah, that that's a good question of like how much
does he benefit?

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
With like what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:41:25):
Watts was such an eraser in a multitude of ways
that they're covered.

Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
But man Morrison on An Island was like, good, there's
some really good like tape for him in some battles. Yeah,
he's badly comparable to Garrett Williams though one ninety two
and pounds to one ninety three, arm length is the
exact same, smaller hands, A lot of comparisons there, So
I don't know. Again, could be a day, a late day,

(01:41:49):
two pick somewhere. You never know.

Speaker 4 (01:41:52):
One one last guy I wanted to mention. We talked
about him briefly, but tm tmtm asked, what's y'all's take
on Daarian Porter from Iowa State? So Russ hates him?

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
I'll speak on him, bro. I shouldn't say hate, although
you did say that last night. Not a fan of
his tape. I just can't get behind it. If you
if you can't tackle or do certain things I just
I got it, like you gotta draw me in after
a game or two, and if you're not doing that,
I don't got time to watch it. I just don't like.
I gotta move on. He really good, like testing numbers,

(01:42:23):
the longest arms in the corner class, ninety third percentile overall,
plays a lot of Pressman.

Speaker 4 (01:42:32):
I'll just kind of go through my notes. I thought
he had good spatial awareness his own. He's able to
space routes accordingly in spot drop coverages pressman corner. He's
susceptible to underneath routes, and inbreakers, his feet will get
crossed up and or stuck. He'll get caught lunging at times.
His feet and hands will often be out of sync.
He's a willing force player, but his lanky frame makes
him moveable as a run defender. Russ and I were

(01:42:55):
talking about this last night or two days ago. He
plays in like a weird rotation, like a three corner
rotation at Iowa State, and I didn't know if it
was just like the always the plan or if they
took him off by design with more run series or rundowns.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
Kind of happening.

Speaker 4 (01:43:09):
Yeah, he's got quick, clean feet when driving on routes,
and he does have some hip sync to his game.
He's got a really, really, really great rep against Iowa
where he comes up as his Iowa tape is good,
but he's got it. He comes up because he bites
on the play action, slams into a receiver, sees that
its play action drops back into his deep third, sees

(01:43:32):
the tight end leaking out, sinks underneath it, goes up
and makes an interception. It's a real heady play. It's
great processing and recognition. He's also got a really.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
Nice play in that game where Caleb Johnson busts off
a big run and Porter runs him down from the
far sideline by the line of scrimmage and chases him down.

Speaker 4 (01:43:50):
Like great long speed, good twitch and length. But yeah,
he's got some linkiness and some frame concerns.

Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
And again, like I want to give him his credit
in some ASPEC right because I'll watch, like who was it?
Let me go to my game. It was against Texas Tech.

Speaker 4 (01:44:04):
They're like running pin and pull and he's the force
to be he and he comes up and meets the
pulling guard, but he gets absolutely demolished. But he's willing,
like he's not running away from contact. He's just not
the best like contact guy, and I think there's some
sloppiness overall.

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
I think you can clean it up. I don't love him,
I have I have more of a three on him
because of the worries. I think he could creep up.
It wouldn't be crazy to me if the Bills considered
him at fifty six or sixty two.

Speaker 4 (01:44:33):
I don't love him.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
I don't like him.

Speaker 4 (01:44:35):
He's in this like weird in between range because of
the run defense piece, but the traits like so, I
don't hate him like Russ does, but I don't like the.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
Last player I watch. Dude it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:46):
He's got some fun coverage pieces like legitimately some nice
plays on the ball, the length plays, the athleticism plays,
the speed is very real. I just questioned the technique
and the the rhythmic play that he seems to be
lacking at times. And then some of the run support
stuff is a big question. And again, if you are

(01:45:07):
and see you no, I want to put this orr
at TM says if he doesn't like to tackle, I'll pass.
It's not that he doesn't like to tackle, he's just
not great at it, and he's thin like so it's harder.
But it's not that he's not willing like he he
is willing. He's and he it's weird, like, yeah, he's
slamming into guys, but he's just they're not going anywhere
because he's like skinnier and he's longer and lanky. Again,

(01:45:29):
he's he's got thirty three and h what is it,
thirty three and an eighth inch arms, which is ninety
third percent of so he's got long arms and he's
six too, one hundred and ninety five. So picture like
a longer, thinner type of corner. So it's not that
he's not willing, it's just not a strong suit because
of how he's built. Now you could coach it up.
There could be some technique improvements. I just think it

(01:45:51):
has to be a lot given how he's built lower
body and upper body. It's not that he's not willing.
It's just a bit messy. But again, so were some
of his coverage AFT. I think taking him is more
a bet on the traits. You're betting on the speed
and the length and your ability to coach that guy up,
which is why I can understand a team taking him
in round two because of the trades. I just there

(01:46:12):
are certain things that scare me off, even though I'm
not appeer, like trades over production or production over trades. Guy,
there are just some things that scare me. But yeah,
so I want to talk about that because he was
on my list and we mentioned him briefly about how
you didn't like him.

Speaker 1 (01:46:25):
But I saw that.

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
I know for a lot of fans he's he's like
a from a mock draft perspective. He's like a day
two staple or like a Round two staple. So I
thought it made sense to kind of speak on him
here a little. All right, Day three kai, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
Yeah, I'm moving on. I'm going to Quincy Riley out
of Louisville. His position coach and I actually have a
pretty good friendship and we talk pretty often.

Speaker 4 (01:46:49):
Make stuff up.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
You're such a liar, Well, we can pull up the screen.
We'll show up thet DMS. Dude, it is what it is.
I don't know what do you want from me? This
is your show we want from me. I'm just the guy.
What do you tell?

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
Oh man?

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
Yeah, Quincy was so good this year. X I will
say Louis XO, and I to say that, uh, Louisville
h safety to Marion McDonald is a player worth writing down.
This dude freaking hits and he told me more about me.

Speaker 4 (01:47:18):
That's what I did for the other safety at Notre Dame.
I forget his name right now, Aiden Schuler number eight. Yes,
hit like a missile and a freight trainers at Richard
freshman last year, will be a sophomore this year.

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
Stay. I wrote his name down for next fall one
hundred percent. Every single time. He was like, I'm like,
who is this kid? Who is eight?

Speaker 4 (01:47:35):
I'm like, he's just flying around everywhere. Yeah, so I continue.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
I got excited. But the position coach had told me
about to Mary McDonald and then we started talking about
Quincy Riley's Senior Bowl all that stuff. We weren't able
to connect. He you know, stayed out recruiting, didn't actually
come down to the event.

Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
You were sick as hell anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
Yeah, it didn't matter. I was useless anyways. But yeah,
I like Quincy Riley is like an early day three pick.
If you're if you're looking at you know, the bills
at one oh four, like you were mentioning. I think
he makes a lot of sense. I know that might
be rich for some people because you know, the mock
draft says he's, you know, maybe one hundred and eightieth
on the board or whatever the case may be. He

(01:48:14):
kind of reminds me of like Chris Abrams Drain from
last year when he was coming out from Missouri. Has
that thinner frame, kind of presents some issues at times
when tackling, but he's willing to come up and tackle.
Kind of like Darien Porter, I think he puts himself
in a better position. Where I felt like with Porter
when watching him, while he was willing, he didn't. It

(01:48:35):
just didn't feel like he was willing to put himself
in a better position. He looked disinterested in lowering his
pad level and actually trying to strike the opposition, where
Quincy Riley I feel like will at least give you
that effort. Is it consistent, No, he misses, But again
kind of like I have I have in.

Speaker 4 (01:48:53):
My notes for Quincy Riley that he's like got that
dog mentality and he plays with a tenacious mindset.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
Correct, and he's a that you're betting on traits right
in a similar sense, like ball skills athleticism, he could
high point the football. He shows good closing speed, good
recovery ability, and this is a guy that you know
ran a four four eight, so sub four or five
times is relatively okay. But only one hundred and ninety
four pounds. Smaller hands like eight inch hands, which can

(01:49:20):
become problematic at the catch point when you're competing and
having to press and jam and those types of things.
But I like him overall. I think he's limited to
a certain degree because I think in zone coverage he
definitely drifts, he gets pulled out of position. The spatial
awareness isn't as much there as other corners. But again,
we're talking about a player at pick one oh four,

(01:49:41):
you know, we're talking day three targets here. I think
he relatively goes earlier than expected, you know, not like
one eighty like a mock draft might say or something
like that. But I like his skill set. I think
he's a guy that probably has better football in front
of him if he lands in a place that I
think like him play more like offman where he can

(01:50:03):
see things in front of him. Maybe let him play
a little press man because he can do some of
the jam and redirecting and things like that. But I
think you play him off a little bit, let him
close and see what's in front of him, and let
that burst to the football and play through the catch
point work to his advantage. And then if he has
to go vertical and he's got a high point the football,
whether it's on a post or just a go route whatever,

(01:50:25):
he can do that and recover a little bit. So yeah,
that was the guy that I wanted to start day
three to four for me on the Bill's targets.

Speaker 4 (01:50:34):
My favorite thing about him is the way he plays
through wide receivers trying to block him on screens and bubbles,
like he just will go through. It's like he's personally
offended that they're trying. You're trying to block him, Yeah,
and he just plays right through. Which is where a
lot of like my tenaciousness for him came from, Like,
oh I like this, and then it it bothered.

Speaker 1 (01:50:52):
Me how inconsistent he was as a tackler for his size.

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
I just expected again and this is this is my
me kind of going into it with a preconceived notion,
which is not fair to him. But like seeing the
size of like six one ninety four, I was like okay,
like and knowing even like Louisville and how they play
and knowing what they are. I was like, I don't know,
like I think of your boy like Ashton Jalottie, and

(01:51:19):
I think like he's a poster boy for like how
Louisville's defense play. So I guess I just kind of
expected more soundness in that area from Riley and didn't
get it, which disappointed me a bit. But like you said,
he's a consideration on Day three, I find I again,
I was gonna talk about Perish in this segment, just
because it was my hope that he would be there
at like one oh nine and they can go. I

(01:51:40):
struggled with a lot of like the Day three corners,
which again I think is understandable, like no one's sitting
here pounding the table, being like this Day three corner
is perfect, this and this. I love this because obviously
they're Day three player for a reason.

Speaker 1 (01:51:54):
But Riley is one.

Speaker 4 (01:51:55):
Yeah, I was intrigued by a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
Although initially a little disappointed because of again my own fault,
some of my uh preconceived notions. Who else you got
on day three? Noel Williams from KELK kind of another
pressman guy, I'm a sucker for it. But this dude's
got ball skills. Six foot two hundred pounds four five

(01:52:19):
forty three con drill at three six ninety seven, which
is relatively good for a player of that size, and
has that press man ability. You know, he had fourteen
interceptions in his career. I think he had six or
seven last year if I remember correctly. But yeah, I mean,
ball skills are there. I think he reads and anticipates
really well. I think when you look at the way

(01:52:43):
when he when he is in pressman, I think one
of the biggest issues that I have is like he
I know I mentioned like the six ninety seven three condrel,
which is good to test, but when you got the
pads on, he's not always like turning his hips and
flipping and running out of press man vertically as much
as I would like him to. Because he plays a
lot more press man. He's always trying to jam, redirect

(01:53:06):
and those types of things. But this is a guy
that we're talking again, third round, fourth round, maybe even
fifth round. You're drafting, you're developing. He's gonna get grabby.
He's got to clean some things up, but he's in phase.
He's got the ball skills and he tested relatively well
for his size, and I thought, I think he had

(01:53:27):
a really good Shrine Bowl if I remember right. So
I like him. I like the development aspect of it.
This is a guy that I'm drafting to develop and
if you can get him and you develop him into
like a CB two as a fourth round pick like
Bill's Nation, sign me up, right, Like that's what you're
doing or built Mafia Bill's Nation, Bills Nation.

Speaker 4 (01:53:48):
That's your Isaiah McDuffie.

Speaker 1 (01:53:50):
Yeah, that's my Isaiah Isaiah McDuffie. So yeah, no Williams
for me. Yeah, he uh.

Speaker 4 (01:53:56):
He was an interesting one for me, Like I he
had a nice interception against MYAMMI when I was watching
that game as a Miami fan, and I hated him
at the time. That game was super stressful and that
was like one of the first of many games for
Miami where I was like, man, this defense is really
going to hold Miami back and then lo and behold
it did. But yeah, the size plays like the I

(01:54:16):
don't know if it's the I again, I don't know
if it's good eyes and processing or film study or
instincts or whatever, but just the ability to constantly find
himself in and around the ball, like is especially in
his zone, like to jump routes, to fall in line,
to kind of make plays out of structure from a
coverage standpoint as well. Some of the movement I don't

(01:54:36):
love with him and stiff almost yes, And I think
some of that is reflected in some of his measurables,
you know, twenty eight percentile for the vert thirty eight
percentile for the broad jump, like yeah, I feel like.

Speaker 1 (01:54:51):
There's like whole body stiffness to him. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:54:55):
But again, given the size and frame and physicality, I
think some of that is kind of understood, like going
to a watch and thinking, like, man, this dude's gonna
like to such a fluid athlete, YadA YadA, Like he's
built differently and he plays differently accordingly.

Speaker 1 (01:55:07):
So some of the movement worries me a little bit.
But given his and I hate using this phrase because
it's used too much, but like, given his like nose
for the football and the ability to kind of constantly
be around it, like you don't fall into these turnovers
by mistake, I don't know how much that skews the
evaluation potentially, but he's another dude. Yeah, Like on day
three that I had written down then I'm like, okay,

(01:55:27):
like I wouldn't I wouldn't mind have passed that. I'm like,
I have more of like a middle of the day
three type of deal than earlier because of some of
those concerns.

Speaker 4 (01:55:38):
But I mean, the ball production is there, and he
played in a defense that was like really mean and
kind of did some fun things at cal which is interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
A couple of people have been commenting on this and
the chat and I want to bring him up. What
are your thoughts on Kobe Bryant from dude, he was
literally the next player I was going to talk about,
just like not in detail because I only watched two
games on him, but like looking at him at what
he did, Like against West Virginia, there's one where he
anticipates like this back shoulder. I don't know if it

(01:56:07):
was like a deep curl. It was in overtime that
you know, to seal the game, and he just sitting
in perfect position. He sinks his hips, He's sitting there,
he's patient, and he just jumps the route, takes it
to the house game over, game like he didn't need
to score, but just kind of what he did in
on that, you know, specific play and then one of
the other games I want to say it was Kansas

(01:56:30):
State and he's playing in zone and he like lets
number one go and cross to the middle of the
field and he takes number two up the sideline and
he's just sitting in a perfect position breaks up the
pass like I don't want to say he baits the
quarterback and thinking that he's going with number one, but
it kind of felt like he was. And he was

(01:56:52):
a guy that just like always caught my eye. I
just haven't had the chance to like go back and
watch him, but like through the two games that I
had studied West Virginia and Kansas State, he really stood
out with his coverage skills and the way he played,
whether it was in offman or some type of zone.
He really seemed to be patient, fluid and had the

(01:57:14):
ball skills. I'm excited to watch more him. Darien Porter
are two guys that I'll probably watch within the next
week or so, And if I can, I would like
to get Zi Alexander from LSU on there as well,
and potentially the Minnesota kid Justin Wally. I'm hoping I

(01:57:35):
can add him into the mix as well. Yeah, but
Brian's a guy who the initial measurables scared me, Like
seeing smaller weight like around one hundred and eighty pounds
and then not being like a flyer at a four
or five three forty and not having the most like
explosive like ten yard or any other like measurables scares
me a bit.

Speaker 4 (01:57:55):
I'm like, Okay, if you're like thinner or smaller, you
got to have more explosion in your game for me ideal,
which he doesn't. But I was watching him in the
other Kansas corner mellow Dotson, Yes, kind of at the
same time. I only got one game in for both
of them. I am intrigued to kind of go with
a little more just because of how he plays. I

(01:58:18):
feel like despite having the thinner frame, I feel like
there is like a good I don't want to say
aggression or competitiveness.

Speaker 1 (01:58:28):
I guess like to his game with how he plays.

Speaker 4 (01:58:31):
And so he's a guy that I need I need
to go back on. I don't love him right off rip,
but he's got some flashes that I'm encouraged by. Yeah,
I would say so cold. So I really got to
finish both dudes from Kansas, and then I did watch.

Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
I was gonna just say I did watch one game
of Mellow Dots and it was Arizona State. There's one
like one rep that he gets beat by. Uh. I
can't remember the receiver's name, but the quarterback, Sam Levitt,
just drops it in a bucket. I think when he
goes to like flip his hips and run vertical, he
just gives up like a little bit too much separation.

(01:59:07):
And I don't know if he like went to jam
and like redirect, thinking like the receiver was gonna like
cross his face or something. I don't necessarily know what
he was thinking at that time. I haven't obviously talked
to the player, but it was like not horrible coverage
at all, and I'm like, he's right there, he's in phase,
he's right where he needs to be. He just gets
beat a little bit too soon. But he's he's an

(01:59:31):
interesting player.

Speaker 4 (01:59:32):
He's feisty.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
I thought there were times against Arizona State like he
would come up and make some big plays. So maybe
Mellow Dots would be another player would add to that
list as well as like a guy I would go
back and study.

Speaker 4 (01:59:41):
Yeah, he so I want to finish like the the
back end or like middle middle kind of Day three
guys are the more intriguing ones, you know, for me,
so I want to get both the Kansas guys we
just mentioned.

Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
I've watched one game of Zia Alexander. It's weird because
his test measurables are like terrible, not as well, I
shouldn't say terrible, but like seventh percentile for the vert,
fifteenth percentile for the broad A four five six, forty,
seventeen percentile. Maybe I won't watch him seventeen percentile for weight,

(02:00:18):
thirty second percentile for arm length.

Speaker 4 (02:00:20):
But then like he's in phase and doing some good things, and.

Speaker 1 (02:00:23):
Then he's in position and should make a play on
the ball but doesn't.

Speaker 4 (02:00:26):
Again, I mean Day three guy, Day three guy, But
Zia Alexander is an interesting one for you, and who
Jason Marshall from Florida is one that I want to
get to as well, to kind of fully finish corner completely.

Speaker 1 (02:00:41):
But I think that's a that's like a fair crop
of like the Day three guys. There's each of these
guys are gonna have their worts and it comes down to, Okay,
do you want to value the production, do you want
to value ball skills.

Speaker 4 (02:00:50):
Do you value tackling, do you value coverage? Are you
valuing the traits? Are you like, what traits are you valuing?
And then kind of where you go and how the
Bills kind of piece it together. I would like them too,
And then I world some kind of corner falls and
they can scoop one up in round four. I would
like them to double dip.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
Just Dan Jackson's on a one year and he's right
now your corner three or your corner four, depending on
what you think of Jamarkus Ingram, And either way, JaMarcus
Ingram is kind of unproven. So I do think the
Bills need a corner two and a corner three competitor
like right now, so and I do. That's why most
of my focus is more like, okay, guys that can
go between round one and round four, who are guys
in the solid like top one hundred, top hundred and

(02:01:27):
twenty five.

Speaker 4 (02:01:28):
There are corners who can go, but these back end guys,
if you can nab somebody in round five or six
or seven, and I feel like there's a lot of
potential given uh kind of the names on the back end,
anybody that we haven't talked about that you would like
to mention.

Speaker 1 (02:01:40):
I think I'm good. I mean maybe Denzel Burke out
of Ohio State that would be another player. But I'm like,
he I had some horrible I and this is bad off, bro,
he had some flat in watching.

Speaker 4 (02:01:54):
I watched so much Ohio State tape because of Tyler Williams,
YEP and JTT and Sawyer and then Cody Simon, who
I like. So I would watch Cody Simon a bit,
and then I would just go and watch random games
because I love downs, and I just kept and I
wasn't watching for Burke, but I'd watch some like Corner
get beat horribly or look terrible, and it was always Burke.

(02:02:16):
And this happened like six to eight times, and it
just made me like not want to watch this tape
at all, and I know I will, but I was said,
but to your point, like we were talking about this earlier,
like there's only so much time we have, and it
maybe be like, do I really want to spend like
an hour and a half watching Denzel Burke right now
given what I've seen? And then it makes me think like, okay,
you know what, I'll watch one game and if it

(02:02:38):
keeps happening again.

Speaker 1 (02:02:39):
Screw it.

Speaker 4 (02:02:39):
I'm not going to continue down the path. But then
I'm like, okay, what if I like watch that one
game and it's better. That means I gotta do the
full four to six and I gotta evaluate and it's like, ah,
like I just get so much of that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:50):
Yeah, I fall into that all the time. And that's
why I'm like, dude, I can only go so far
so in depth because the board will never end. Like
I love watching film, and I'm getting to like that
point right now where like in the next four to
five days it's back to just watching nothing but film.
I don't have to sit here and write my written

(02:03:11):
notes out or my slash slash slash quick feet slash
slash slash maybe not slash slash slash notes that I
have on my computer, you know, Like I'm finalizing everything,
and it's like, all right, finally I can take a
breath and like get back to watching the film. Because
I would rather just watch film and put it up
here and talk about it and be done with it.
But I do love writing it out and formatting it

(02:03:32):
and looking at it and it's all pretty and stuff.
But yeah, there's always I got lost, so.

Speaker 4 (02:03:38):
Like, I don't know why. I think it was Friday night,
Saturday night. Everyone was asleep, and I was like, I'm
gonna watch tape for like a little bit. And I
was up at like one am watching Keaton Crawford the
Safety from Nevada and then Cameron for Bicky Lanin or
whatever his name is, Safety from like Washington. I was

(02:03:58):
just watching like Randon and I was like, these aren't corners.
This isn't helping me with what I got for this week.
And I was like, I don't know, they flashed a
little bit. This is kind of fun. I'm gonna keep
watching this.

Speaker 1 (02:04:06):
And then like.

Speaker 4 (02:04:09):
One of the games I watched for Crawford was against
Boise State and Genty did some genty things, so I
was like, I'm gonna watch these games and Genty and
I just went down this like stupid rabbit hole.

Speaker 1 (02:04:17):
But those are the fun rabbit holes where you're just like,
I'll just keep watching tape.

Speaker 4 (02:04:19):
All this guy is sweet. Let me pull up some
games with this guy while I finished this other guy.

Speaker 1 (02:04:23):
And yeah, yeah, I say. And I don't even do
an official draft, guy like you do. I have my
positional rankings, kind of like a big board. But yeah,
you are a pros pro when it comes to that,
so I don't envy you and of maintaining that commitment
like you do.

Speaker 4 (02:04:40):
And yeah, anything else on anything.

Speaker 1 (02:04:44):
No, I'm I'm good man. We're sixteen days away, you know,
I can't wait. Excited. Probably gonna be doing some lion
stuff for it, so always fun doing that. I was
gonna say, tell everybody where they can find your stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:04:57):
Plug anything and everything you got, whether it's the line stuff,
whether it's the draft stuff, anything and everything, your draft guide,
your Twitter, every anything and everything the floor is yours.

Speaker 1 (02:05:04):
Plug away, Yeah, draft guys. Uh. In full fact, I
mean I think I got twenty six twenty five left
to like right out, so pretty much near the final
stages of like the handnotes and putting it all back
in and ad like the hardest thing is like formatting

(02:05:25):
everything like yes in the name.

Speaker 2 (02:05:27):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:05:27):
So you were texting be like on the show, what
do you think of the way this looks? What do
you think of this? Yeah? And like I'm a I'm
a very like I'm not saying I'm a perfectionist, but
like something doesn't look right to me. To start, I
got to get an opinion, and especially in something like
this where like it sounds so dumb, but like if
the presentation isn't great, some people won't even consider the
analysis because the presentation doesn't look great.

Speaker 4 (02:05:47):
And that's a whole nother like mind f to have
to deal with.

Speaker 1 (02:05:50):
Yeah, I feel you on that. And it's just like,
you know, I'm not the most tech savvy dude, so
like there's some things I'm doing and I'm like, there's
got to be an easier way for me to like
read this on a spreadsheet or whatever the case may be.
And like I just had the mix up with CB
four CB five like an hour ago, you know what
I mean apart, So it's just like I got to
cross check all that. I gotta make sure I got,

(02:06:12):
you know, the games listed. I've got my combine PRODA stuff,
and the PRODA stuff's like really tough to find right now,
like it's been the toughest's been in years. Yeah, okay,
so it's not just me. I was gonna text you
about this like the other day, Like I was trying
to look up and it was so hard, like I
was feel like I was scouring every place to find
and then i'd be like, oh, okay, maybe, like this
team's PRODA hasn't happened yet. I'm like, no, it happened

(02:06:34):
a week and a half ago.

Speaker 4 (02:06:34):
Why can I not find what I need to find?

Speaker 1 (02:06:36):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, So, I mean Draft Guy's coming. I'm
I'm hoping, I mean like I'm gonna have to. I
don't know exactly where I'm posting it yet. I don't
know if it's going on Fantasy pros, if it's going
on Draft Wire with USA Today or Lions Wire with
USA Today or all three, or if I'm just doing
a uh like Google sheet. You send me your email
and I'll send you a PDF for free type deal

(02:06:57):
because it's always going to be free.

Speaker 2 (02:06:59):
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Speaker 1 (02:06:59):
The only thing I ever asked is if you donate
to charity. But we'll cross that bridge when we get
to it. Other than that, I mean Lion stuff. I'll
be doing a Lion show for Detroit Lion's podcast on
Day one of the draft. I'll do a little Fantasy
Pro stuff for some of the analysis that I have
for them on day one, and then I'll be doing
a lot of Day two Fantasy Pro stuff, so obviously

(02:07:22):
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Speaker 4 (02:07:35):
Yeah, no, you are awesome, and I mean just with
what you do in general, especially this time of year.

Speaker 1 (02:07:41):
Yeah, you are.

Speaker 4 (02:07:43):
One of my main sounding boards, really one of the
very few again because I avoid everything like the plague
and yeah, just your analysis and your ability to know
how to evaluate players individually, but then also tying it
into the actual x's and o's and scheme and structure
of football. You are one of the best. So I
know everyone already here. Yeah, of course I know everyone
already here pretty much knows who you are. But if

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Speaker 4 (02:10:58):
Russ, you were amazing for stopping by. Thank you everyone
in the chat, all the back and forth, the engagement
with us with one another. Appreciate you, folks. As Noah said, yeah,
and could go till two in the morning if he
wants to keeping five, Yeah, I could keep going, but
I gotta go to bed and actually I'm hungry, and
I also got to go to bed to get up
for work. But aside from that, I would go downstop
if I could. God bless you folks. I will see

(02:11:19):
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