How much better will the Buffalo Bills defense be in 2025? | DC - Disguised Coverage

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get something out of the way before we dive into
the meat of this episode. As John mentioned the comments here,
he says, I wonder if the tree will have Memorial

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Day colors. Didn't have the background and the tree yet
had a lot going on, almost didn't do an episode tonight.
Got a lot of chaos happening to go. I got
a lot of chaos happened, I should say, going all around.
So still Easter themed, but I still like that. Also,
I think the pastels still kind of work for Mother's Day,
which is upcoming this weekend, so it's part of why
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will be updated for Memorial Day next weekend. But the
most important thing, well the tree is the most important thing.
But aside from that tree being the most important thing
in this episode of This Guy's coverage, we are going
to start to put a bow on the moves we've
seen thus far in this offseason and start to work
forward towards the actual start of the twenty twenty five

(02:41):
season and everything that comes with that. Training camp, preseason,
regular season. The roster, the depth chart, the moves. Everything
that starts to kind of come together and function and
coalesce as this team becomes the team that we will see.
Appreciate you, John, John says cool for Mother's Day. Good points.
See it all works, We all works to John, Yeah,
as we start to move forward here and really see

(03:03):
what this team is going to be in twenty twenty five,
we had all the waves of free agency and the
contract extensions and then the draft prap and the draft,
and there are still some things that could shake out
as we move forward here in May and June and July,
but then camp starts the end of July. We get preseason,
we get regular season, all that kind of stuff. So
for the most part, this roster for the Buffalo Bills

(03:27):
in twenty twenty five is pretty set, and you start
to kind of look forward in terms of what this
team is going to be in twenty twenty five and
the hows and the whys and all of it schematically individually,
all that stuff. I think it's important to start to
have this conversation from a large scale and then break
it down and get smaller and smaller and more niches
we go forward. So in tonight's episode, we're going to
start on the defensive side of the ball, where most

(03:49):
of the attention has been given this offseason. Whether you're
a fan of that, whether you're not a fan of that,
feel free to let me know in the comments. Rightly
or wrongly, the Bills defense has gotten a pretty significant overhaul.
And depending on how positively or negatively you view the overhaul,
they may have gotten some upgrades and may just be
some tweaks and maybe even exchanges, depending on how you
see it and how you feel. But between free agency

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and what the Bills have done in the draft, the
defensive side of the ball has gotten a lot of
attention and potential facelift for this season from an individual standpoint,
from a schematic standpoint, and that's where we're going to
focus on in this episode. We're going to look at
several position groups, players that are involved in those position groups.

(04:31):
We're going to talk about the defense as a whole.
As Pops comes in and says, I'm still worried about
an injury at linebacker. We will briefly talk about linebacker tonight,
but it's a position group in linebacker that we for
you know, no jinks, we know what we're getting on
the surface from a starter's perspective, right, we know what
Terrell Bernard is. Maybe he continues to surprise us with

(04:53):
what he can be and continues to improve. We know
what Matt Malano is when he's healthy, and we sell
some glimpse of what Dorrinan Willne can be and what
he could potentially be as a third linebacker in this team,
or if he has to step in and spot, do
to or maybe succeed Matt Milano. Next season, we're gonna
talk about safety a little bit. We're gonna talk about
into your defensive line, the edge grouping, the corner grouping.

(05:13):
There's just despite all of the moves on defense in
the draft and free agency, the RJ comes in and says,
all I can say is this defense best be better
with all and all is in all caps, all the
resources spent on that side and the ball. And I
think that is what ties it to that conversation. And
I given all the attention, all the resources that have

(05:35):
been allocated to the defense, how much better will they
be in twenty twenty five? Are they better? Where are
they better? How all that kind of stuff? I figured
you would have some kind of thought with that. RJ
so I that doesn't surprise me. But despite all the moves,
and maybe RJ, this might not make you feel great.
Despite all the moves, I still do think there are

(05:56):
some questions and some variables and some unknown quantities, both
positively and negatively within this bill's defense. And that's what
we're going to tie into this episode tonight and talk
about in this episode tonight, along with a multitude or
other other things. So this episode continues to kind of
set the table as we move forward this offseason, and

(06:16):
similar to what I did last year in the off
season for Disguis coverage, we'll start to move forward and
take a look at the roster as a whole, take
a look at some schematic things that this team can
do and be in twenty twenty five. How that ties
into the trends we're seeing league wide, you know, the
past several years and from twenty twenty four. I'm also
gonna be doing some individual player deep dives for some guys,

(06:38):
for several guys on the team that I think will
be important for twenty twenty five, may have underachieved in
twenty twenty four, may have some question mark going forward,
So a lot to do in this off season as
we go forward here, but for now, we'll focus on
the defensive side of the ball in this episode. And
as I alluded to earlier, if you have any thoughts, questions, comments, concerns,

(06:58):
anything like that, feel free to put it up to
the chat at any single point in time. I will
try to bring up anything and everything is humanly possible.
Super chats get automatic priority because I respect the monetary
donation and the color attracts me like a cat with
a laser pointer and pulls me away from my notes,
So those will get brought up. And yeah, any thoughts
you guys have, positively, negatively lukewarm whenever you got player wise,

(07:20):
team wise, league wide, feel free to put it up
into the channel. Make this episode as engaging as possible
as we do on this show. R J says, I'm
curious how TJ. Sanders compares to Dwayne Carter. Is a
prospect overall talent wise, not play style. I just want
to set correct expectations for Sanders and Jackson on the
defensive line. I will be diving into that specifically when

(07:41):
we get into interior defensive line and RJ follows that
up by saying, if I remember Dwayne Carter was a
prospect with some buzz going into the draft last year.
I think it always depends on who you ask or
where you go to for your draft content. You never
know depending on where you go. I think like Dwayne Carter,
I think was like a top three or four defensive
tackle for some folks last year, and then he was

(08:02):
more of like a Day three guy for some. I
think it's a bit hit or miss depending on where
you go. I don't remember too much. I kind of
flush everything from prospect wise in terms of who evaluated
who and how aside from myself once we move past,
but we will get into the juxtaposition between him and Sanders,
what it means for the defense, what it means for
the defensive tackle grouping as a whole. So good question,

(08:23):
r J, and getting a started in that regard. And
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into the meat of this episode and we'll change the
banner which says how much better will the Buffalo Bills
defense be in twenty twenty five? So oh, grab this
comment from Noah. Noah says, McDermott is the problem. Sorry,

(09:07):
not sorry. I'm interested to see kind of what the
perception of Sean McDermott is if the defense starts to
come through a little bit in the playoffs, or if,
like I know, Noah is not alone in this thought.
I wonder if this that there's anything that can be done.
No I feel free to answer if you think you know,
if there's anything that would change your mind on that,

(09:29):
feel free to comment that. R J says, also, there's
no way Carter can play one tech at micro softball game.
You look like a linebacker at his size. He just
look extremely small. We're gonna get into that. We're gonna
get oh, and then Joe Joe Rosa, literally at the
exact same time, says, hey, guys, I'm late. Am I
too late to push my Carter as one tight one
t agenda? It's absolutely the BoatUS is so gone on it.

(09:51):
I'm just gonna start with the interior defensive line. I
was gonna start with corner, but I'll start with the
interior defensive line since the conversation piece is already there. Actually, no,
I'm lying, I was already gonna start with defensive tackle.
That's what it shows in my notes. So significant changes
to the interior defensive line this offseason with what the
Bills have done. And if you're sitting here looking at

(10:12):
the depth chart, I'm not going to list out everybody.
I'm just gonna list the guys that I think right
now have the best shot to play significant snaps for
this team, provided there are you know, nothing, no nothing
goes sideways, no injuries, anything like that, no jinks. So
right now we're looking at ed Oliver Daikwon, Jones, Larry
ogun Joby, TJ. Sanders, Dion Walker, and Dwayne Carter. As

(10:34):
I'm sure most of you folks know, Larry Ogunjobi. He's
got that six game suspension looming over his head, so
that will play a role in the combination that we
will see on the interior. Without Larry ogun Joby, obviously
you're looking at ed Oliver Daikwon Jones, TJ. Sanders, Dwayne Carter,
and then Dion Walker and what I think is interesting

(10:55):
and I'm gonna be probably doing a focus episode on
this position group as we start to go forward. I'm
very interested to see who the odd man out is
on the interior defensive line and what the rotation looks
like from a USHE standpoint and from a snapshare perspective.
I think we'll start at the top. Ed Oliver is
at Oliver in terms of what he's going to be

(11:18):
right three tech penetrating Upfield plays the run better than
he gets credit for. But we know what he is
within this defense right positively or negatively depending on how
you view him. Daiquon Jones I think starts the questions
for this interior defensive line, both positively and negatively. I'm
probably be saying that a lot in this episode with
daik One, you know, just to recap at the past

(11:41):
two seasons. Two seasons ago before he tears his pack man,
I legitimately think he was on pace front all pro season.
I don't know if he was going to continue the
level that he was playing at before he got hurt,
but he was on a tear as a pass rusher
and as a run defender. Great season, tears, the pack
comes back for the playoffs. Not so great plays all

(12:03):
of twenty twenty four. Not the doesn't reach the heights
or the expectations that fans had for him considering what
he was the year before he got hurt, right, I
still will maintain that I think Daikwon Jones had a
better twenty twenty four than he gets credit for. But
it wasn't the shades or the flashes of twenty twenty
three when he was potentially on pace for an All

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Pro season. But Daique, I think, is where you start
to get the questions and then I see some comments
there for Dean Walker. We're gonna get into that in
a bit. Jones is interesting because, and I'm gonna tie
this with the position group I've talked about all off season.
I still do think the interior defensive line needed more
of a stout presence on the interior. They did not

(12:45):
address that this offseason. They had an opportunity to, and
if you believe Tylee Williams, defensive tackle from Ohio State
who is very much a stout presence and a run
first type of interior defensive lineman, he was told by
the Bills that if he was there at pick thirty,
he was going to be the Bills pick. He got
taken two picks before they went by the Detroit Lions,

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So who knows what would have happened in that regard
if he had been there, But according to Tyler Williams,
he would have been the pick. So it looked like
the Bills may potentially address that stout issue or lack
thereof on the interior. They did not. They end up
taking you know, they trade up in the second round
to get a defensive tackle. It's not Alfred Collins, it's
not Darius Alexander, it's TJ. Sanders, who very much fits

(13:25):
the mold. So all of these guys and Walker included,
who I'm going to talk about individually in this position group.
Despite how huge of a man Dion Walker is, he
is now not a stout, anchoring type of player on
the interior, despite being huge in every way, shape and form.
If you don't know how big, ninety nine percent out

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for height, ninety first percentile for weight, ninety third percent
out for wingspan, eighty third percent out for arm length,
eighty eight percent out for hands, eize just an absolute
mountain of a dude inside, despite being that big, he
is not a plugger. He's not this anchoring dude who's
just gonna muddy up the interior. He is a penetrator.

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He is a gap shooter. That's why I thought it
was all when they drafted him on day three, I
just tweeted a bunch of hajas because it was just
it was so ironic that Bill's fans have wanted a
bigger guy and this bigger, bodied sized defender on the interior,
and of course the one that the Bill's got was
Dean Walker, who doesn't play to that size, or didn't
at Kentucky at the least. But we're going to get
into his specific breakdown at a bit as we go

(14:27):
forward here. But if you look at the interior, we
essentially have what we've had in the past, penetrators, gap shooters,
guys that lean towards more inside rush than they do
run defense. I do think the top four, when you
remove Ogen Joe's suspension, I do think the top four

(14:49):
are set. I think it's however, whatever rotation we go through,
I think it's at Oliver Daikwon Jones, Larry Ogun, Joey TJ. Sanders.
What I think is interesting about Daikwon Jones is ideally
I wanted someone who was more stout that could start
alongside at Oliver and then give you the opportunity to
put Daiquon Jones as more of defensive tackle three in

(15:12):
the rotation, having to be one of the second wave
guys instead of playing up on the first wave along
with that Oliver. But given how they've constructed the rest
of the defensive tackle room, I think what you can
do with Daikon is having to be more of an
early down defender, having to be a guy that focuses
more on the run, and then if you get to
those pat well not if when you get to those

(15:33):
known passing down in distances and situations and true dropbacks,
then you can have that interior b ed In Ogunjobe
or ed In TJ. Sanders or Ogen Jobey and Sanders
a multitude accommodation side. You kick Michael Hoyt inside, you
could landon Jackson inside. Depending on who makes what and
how things go right, you get even potentially to kick
Bosa inside or Groot inside, depending on what they want

(15:53):
to do. I think they've set themselves up for more
of an inside rush presence, which is no shock there
given all the three texts they have and what Brandon
Bean said after the draft. But we look on this
team really the only true one tech from a starter's perspective,
depending on how you view Zion Log or Ilionkhu. Still
I'm not counting those guys further down the jet chart.

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The really only true one tech they have is Daikwon Jones. Now, yes,
Larry Ogunjoby can moonlight there a little bit. TJ. Sanders
can moonlight there a little bit, especially if he plays heavier.
He's his weight is fluctuated in positive ways right like
he's playing anywhere from two ninety to three oh five
or three hundred. Apparently he's around three oh five or
three ten right now, So maybe he stays at that weight.

(16:38):
And if he does and can maintain the violence and
pop and juice that he plays with, I am all
for it. But being even said his primary primary position
would be more of three tech and then he tried
to walk it back like two days later. But I
do think when you look at the top four, Ogunjoby's
suspension not being discussed, it's at Oliver Daikwan Jones Silario, Gun, Joey,

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and TJ Sanders, which leaves Defensive Tackle five being a
conversation between Dwayne Carter and Diane Walker. What I think
is interesting for Walker, and let's see where r JA
Evens said it. He said, I think Walker is more
of a project. He needs to completely change his body position.
I think him in composition and gain weight in his

(17:21):
tiny stick legs. RJ also said, I don't understand how
they can't teach someone that six foot seven and three
hundred and forty pounds not being able to too gap.
Your ginormous coaching should be able to teach him how
to be a giant pluging monster. So this is interesting though,
right and Pop said it too hard for a six
foot seven guy to stay low, especially if he has
back problems causing a leverage problem. It's that's part of it,
like his physical makeup is part of his play style.

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And yes, granted, you could coach a guy and tweak
a guy a little bit, and if he grinds hard enough,
he can improve his pad level a little bit, but
so much of what he's going to be is tied
to what you guys have said in the comments already
and really what is kind of been floated around a
bit since draft day. I know I put out several
pieces on it. So much of Dion Walker is going

(18:06):
to be if he can do enough with body composition
and health. He's got a defect in his vertebrae that
is a serious issue caused him problems in twenty twenty four.
But even without that, you know, and RJ alluded to it,
he is a He's an interesting case study, and I'm
just gonna go off my evaluation for my notes here.

(18:28):
He is a top heavy player with lean legs and
like a very lean lower body in general. You see
how big he is. If he weighs three hundred and
thirty pounds, it looks like two hundred and eighty of
that is from his stomach up. Like he's got a
lean lower body. So part of the back issues that
you have with him is not only that he has

(18:49):
a defect in his vertebrae, which is significant, but also
the way he's carrying his weight is also not helpful
for his lower back and or just how he kind
of plays. But we'll continue to go through his evaluation.
So top heavy with lean legs, he also plays high.
The combination of being top heavy, having a lean lower
body and playing high will lead to him getting displaced.

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You will see him get knocked off the ball and
get driven back three four five yards vertically right like
straight back. You'll also see him struggle to anchor horizontally.
If there's a zone run and he starts to get
washed down, it's hard for him to kind of anchor
and stop just getting completely washed down the line. You
can prove some of that right with pad level, with
block recognition and understanding and all of that more awareness,

(19:34):
but at the end of the day, the way he's
built doesn't lend itself to certain aspects of play style.
In a similar way to Greg Russseau, Greg Russau is
never going to be this change of direction monster bendy
dips like centered athletic edge. You are not going to
see Greg Russo dipping and bending and running the arc

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and ghosting underneath tackles hands because that's not how he's built.
And similar you're not going to see certain guys who
are smaller and dippy and more bend to their game.
You're not going to see them play with the length
and the compression that Greg Russou plays with so it's different, right.
I think Walker's body composition and frame speaks a lot

(20:15):
to how he played at Kentucky, which is one gapping, penetrating,
getting upfield. I do think he has the length and
the size to two gap a little bit more, but
he's got to be more consistent with his hand usage,
more consistent with taking advantage of that arm length. What's
also interesting with him in Kentucky a lot of alignments
that he played in along that front, so A four,

(20:37):
A four, eye, three five, A wide nine throwers who
don't know, essentially he lined up everywhere from outside the
tackle to head up on the center. So I didn't
even mention zero tech, which is what he did as well,
even to wide nine, like lining up like spots outside
the tackle and like kind of outside a tight end
if a tight end was there, even if the tight
end's not there, Like imagine like a ghost player there

(20:58):
next to the tackle, tackles the end man on the line,
ghost man, and then Walker. They used him all over
the place, which speaks to how light he is on
his feet and how much he's more of a penetrator
and a shooter than he is a stout anchor in
the middle meat and potatoes type of guy. He's got
good quickness in short areas, especially for his size. Again,

(21:18):
more of a penetrator than a plugger. His go to
move is a quick swim, either right on the snap
or right after it. He does a decent job recognizing
gap scheme runs with pullers and zone blocking. He's inconsistent
and disengaging from blocks in both the run. In the past,
he lets blockers into his body, doesn't make regular use
of his length. He also gets laid into his stance

(21:39):
a lot. You'll see him just getting into his stance
and the ball is snapped and it leaves him in
disadvantageous positions. And then, as I also mentioned, he'll get
washed down versus zone not the best horizontal anchor, potentially
due to frame and or build. So all that being said,
if they can get him to reshape his body enough

(21:59):
and get his back into a healthy enough spot, and
those are huge ifs, right, If Dean Walker can reshape
his body enough and reproportion some of that weight in
some of that build, change his body composition, which is
a significant ask, and if his back is good enough
and healthy enough something Brandon being already spoke to like
he already spoke the day after they drafted him or

(22:20):
the day of you know, him being picked, talking about,
you know, we want to take care of his back.
You might not see him a ton this offseason. You
might not see him a training camp if you don't.
This is why, so on and so forth, all these pieces.
So they're already trying to get out in front of
that potential not even potential defect, because it is a defect.

(22:41):
They're already trying to get out in front of that
being an issue for them, which is understandable. And with
their medical staff, with the way that they've kind of
helped guys back in the past, with the way they've
previously been good with injury prevention and injury maintenance and
recovery and all that kind of stuff, you would think,
positively if you want to have you know, air on
the side of you know, positivity or glass half full.

(23:03):
Like Kent says here in the comments, Walker's only twenty one.
He's now in the NFL with the best doctors, strength coaches,
and regular coaches. He has a good chance to thrive. Sure,
glass half full, that is definitely a possibility. What I
think is tough is it's still a large ass because
you have to be getting someone to read like, to
change their body composition while also maintaining and trying to

(23:26):
strengthen a defect in their vertebrae is a large ask.
We'll see if he can do it, you know. And
as people you know talk about the twenty twenty three
tape was better than the twenty twenty four tape, I
still do think the issues that he struggled with on
the twenty twenty four tape are on the twenty twenty
three tape. He's getting displaced, he's playing high. So it's
not all just well it's because the back injury and

(23:48):
because the back injury. It's not just because of the
back injury. Like he is who he is, for better
or for worse, even before the back injury was what
it was. But I digress to say all those things.
If he can re shape his body enough and get
his back into a good enough shape, which both of
those are large ifs, I can see him surpassing Dwayne

(24:10):
Carter on the interior depth chart. And as Bob says
here just asked Ajpanessa, that's a good point, Like, look,
look how much work it took for aj Panessa to
change his body type and play style. Maybe Walker doesn't
have to change his play style as much. But how
much body changing Epanessa had to do from a workout standpoint,

(24:30):
from a diet standpoint, changing everything He was still working
on it, like to like a couple several seasons into
his career, and that was without you know, having a
back defect or a vertebrate defect. We'll see what it
means for Walker, And again I don't want to rain
on anyone's parade. If you like Walker, especially Joe who
I know loves Walker, and Dwayne Carter, man, you sure

(24:51):
know how to pick him at defensive tackle. He could
be the prince that was promised and everything could work out.
I just do think it is a lot lot of
ifs and a lot of hope. Does that mean it
won't happen, Absolutely not, but there is a lot of
question marks around that either way. If if Carter can

(25:13):
hold off Walker, or if Walker can't get himself into
the shape, then he needs to. Obviously that looms better
for Dwayne Carter, but I really do think there's a
good chance that even though he's only going into his
second year, Like if you tell me that Dwayne Carter
gets cut, I am not surprised at all, and part

(25:34):
of it is because of just what what does his
home look like on the interior defensive line. Now again,
we've talked about the interior being gap shooters, penetrators, all
that kind of stuff. Right before they took Walker, you know,
after day two, Brandon Bean said, you know, this would
kind of move you know, Dwayne to more of the
backup one tech behind Daikwon Jones. He mentioned if they

(25:57):
got more of a plugger, then he would still be
more of AECH. It just seems like he's kind of
the odd man out, and they were like, well, here's
what we're gonna do when we'll have him adjust Accordingly,
the issue now with having Ed and having Ogunjobi and
having TJ. Sanders, all of those guys are better three
techs than Dwayne Carter. And Dwayne Carter even if he

(26:22):
bulked up, like, it's not a size issue, Like, I
don't see him as a one tech, especially with how
he struggled last year against the run. He was just
getting blown off the ball horizontally, vertically, individual blocks, double
team blocks, like base blocks, multitude of things. He's just
getting knocked out of gaps and knocked out of holes
left and right, which is troublesome. And his calling card

(26:47):
coming out of Duke was, Oh, he fits the bills
because he's a one gap guy. He's a penetrator, He's
a shooter, pass rush, inside rush type of guy. So
I wanted to discuss some metrics for him and speak
on why he could get cut again if Walker can
get his health and his body into the shape that
it needs to be, even if not, even if Walker

(27:07):
doesn't pan out, I don't think they'd cut both of
them or get rid of both of them. But either way,
I think it's going to be hard for Dwayne Carter
or for Dion Walker to get into that top four.
Once Oga Jobey's suspension is lifted. With Oga Joby suspended,
I think you're probably looking at ed Day Kwon Sanders,

(27:28):
Carter or Walker. We'll see from there. But then once
Ogunjoby comes back, Carter and Walker are both fighting for
roster spots. That's the way it is at this point.
So some metrics. For last year, there were one hundred
and fifty one interior defensive linemen that had at least
one hundred snaps Dwayne Carter was one hundred and nineteenth
and pass rush productivity also, out of those one hundred

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and fifty one interior defensive linemen, he was one hundred
and forty six in pass rush win rate measured by
PFF and at his pressures plus beaten defenders minus unblocked
pressures and then divided by the total pass rush snaps.
And then from a run defense standpoint, there were one
hundred and fifty three qualifying interior defensive linemen with at

(28:13):
least twenty percent of run defense snaps. Last year, Dwayne
Carter was one hundred and twenty six in stop percentage.
His issue coming out of Duke was, you know, displacement
against the run and run defense in general. Right kind
of get knocked around a little bit. Like I mentioned

(28:35):
his calling card or what he wanted to see, what
he could hang his hat on, or what you thought
he would hang his hat on based on the tape
of Duke, and based on his skill set was being
a pass rush guy, like the ability to penetrate get
to the quarterback. He was never at Duke, this guy
that was going to eat up blocks and handle double
teams and anchor and do all this stuff on the

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interior that a one tech would do. So hearing Brenton
and then seeing how he played as a rookie and
struggled against the run, and then knowing what he was
at Duke, I find it very very very very very
hard to see Dwane Harter being a viable one tech

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on a good interior defensive line, Like he could be
a one tech for someone if you just need to
get a body there. And that's with the Bills. Again,
the Bills don't gravitate towards stout guys, despite the Tyler
Williams conversation. Even with Daikwon Jones, they had him shed
weight when he came to the Bills. Daikwon Jones is
played between like three hundred and seven and three hundred
and ten pounds, Like that's how big they like their

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one tech So they're not looking for guys that are
like three fifteen, three twenty three, twenty five. Again, Tyler
Williams caveat, so they're okay if you're if they're one
techs are three h five or three ten or if
even like Larry Ogunjobi, like guys that are more like
you know, three four defensive ends. Previously but can be
more of a three tech, but ca moonlight a little
bit as one tech that is kind of what they

(30:02):
go for, and they gravitate towards so that overshadows this
whole conversation, right, It's not even oh well, Dwayne Carter's
not a one tech. He could be a one tech
for the Bills, like just with the size and the
type of play style they look for. It's not just
the size, it's the play style on top of it.
The issue is, I don't think he's shown anything from

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a play style standpoint that makes you think he can
be a consistent one tech or even a consistent three tech,
like especially with what they did on the interior. If
Walker is good to go, it makes me think Carter
is cut or they're just gonna wave him or put
him on practice squot and see whatever they can do. Like,
I just I don't see him making the roster if

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Walker shapes up to be what they want. If Walker doesn't,
then you've got Carter. They're waiting in the wings, and
he can be a rotational guy however you need him
either way. I just don't see him as of this
moment being a significant contributor to this team in twenty
twenty five or unfortunately for him, and especially when you
pair in with how twenty twenty four went, and again

(31:09):
just with some of the metrics. I'm not gonna repeat
him again, but you're minimal in terms of pass rush pop,
you're minimal in terms of run defense. So was Austin
Johnson that second wave was an issue. You've upgraded that
second wave with Ogan, Jobe and Sanders already, but Austin
Johnson struggled last year. He's gone. They brought in Jordan
Phillips and Quentin Jefferson, two guys who are one no

(31:30):
longer on the team right now and two who were
brought in off the scrap heat from other teams, and
they both beat Carter out for snaps when it mattered
most down the stretch. So isn't even just my analysis
or my thought. I think the team is also telling
us they don't necessarily believe in Dwayne Carter at this
point and kind of hedged their bets with what they

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went after. So at the end of the day, they've
still opted against a stout presence inside again, Dion Walker
is not a stout presence, went through his evaluation. They've
opted for more juice and penetration and inside rush. Which
is their mo and which is their archetype. I'm very
interested to see what TJ. Sanders can be. I'm very

(32:12):
excited to kind of get first eyes on him at
camp and see him in the preseason. I liked his tape.
I had him peg for the Bills before they signed
Larry ogun Joby. If you follow me on Twitter or
seeing the shows I did during draft weekend, I just
thought once they drafted Ogan Jobey they would lean more
towards a truer type of one tech. But again, like

(32:33):
I said, they went with you know, the archetype is
the archetype. They went with juice and penetration and violence
and pop, and that is what TJ. Sanders is. He
also can too gap a little bit and play some
gap in a half, but he's again not the biggest dude,
has a bit of a narrower base, can get displaced
now and again. But there's a lot to like with TJ.
Sanders' game. I'm very excited to see him play. But

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he's he's He's much more that Ed Oliver Mole than
anybody on the inside. And he ogn Joby and Ed Oliver.
I think are all different shades and variations of one another.
Even Walker Walker is just a larger version of all
of them, just a little less juice, a little less pop,
But the idea is the same. The philosophy is theme one,
gaping penetration, all that kind of stuff. Sanders is just

(33:20):
more violence, more quickness, more juice, more technique, a lot
of fun pieces. It'll be interesting to see what we
get from this interior defensive line this year. Overall. Answering
the question though, in terms of how much better would
the Buffalo Bill's defense be in twenty twenty five, I
think we start with these individual position groups. I do
think the interior defensive line is significantly better than last year.

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Not necessarily, I'm talking on both sides of my mouth here,
not necessarily because I think Sanders is gonna be amazing
and Okun Joby is gonna be amazing. I do think
they're gonna be good, but more so, just what they
got from the second wave last year was just so
not good. Austin Johnson was very an effective, Dwink Card
was very ineffective. Jordan Phillips and Quentin Jefferson, I know,

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depending on you know, who you follow. They had some
good pass rush metrics, but it's really because of small
sample size than it is actual effectiveness. If you watch
the tape, they were also not good. Aside from Ed
Oliver and Daiquon Jones, you did not really get NFL
caliber play on the interior of the Bills defensive line
last year consistently. I think they've made significant strides towards
getting that this year. I think once Ogunjobi comes back

(34:25):
from the suspension, you've got a fine top four with
Ed Dayekwon, Ogen Joby and Sanders. Then I think you
get Ed and Daikwon on early downs and then on
third down or pass rushing down in distances and situations,
you take out Daiquon and then you've got a three
man rotation from a pass rush, inside rush and juice
perspective between Ed, Ogen Joby, and Sanders. So you let

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Daiquon just feast against the run, work against the run.
That should keep him fresher as the season goes along.
I think also kind of having him niche down helps
the interior defensive line in addition to helping him, and
then let Sanders and Ogunjobe and Ed work the regular
rotation amongst themselves and Daikon, But when it comes to
the passing stuff or true dropback situations, you let the

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inside rush guys hunt. And that's just from an interior perspective.
That's not even talking about rotating in the edge guys
and all those pieces. Then the versatility up front and
all the things they can do. But I do think
they got better, and it's now it's just a question
of I think there's more questions on the back end
than there is on the top. I do think the
top four is set ed Daikuon, Ogen Jobe Sanders. Ogun

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Jobe suspended for the first six games, so we'll see
who steps in. Is it Carter, is it Walker? Even
if you know Ogunjoby wasn't suspended, it's still interesting to
see kind of what happens on the back end of
that D line because if Walker can get himself into shape,
I think Easter passes Carter, just based on what Carter's
tape was last year and what some of the breadcrumbs
the bills are dropping around Carter kind of means a

(35:52):
little bit. Also within that, Larry Ogunjoby's on a one
year deal, so if Carter can, you know, get himself
really get in a good spot with the team or
Walker Ken. You would like that because again, Ogunjobi's gone
next year, Daikwon Jones is on the last year of
his deal, so you have questions at defensive tackle going
into next year. It would be nice if you had

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some semblance of a core between Ed and Sanders and
Carter and Walker, or Ed and Sanders and one of
Carter or Walker. Someone's gonna get an opportunity on the
back end between Carter and Walker to win a spot,
and I think one could force the other one out
unless they, you know, have some roster gamesmanship when it
comes to injury and IR spots and all of that

(36:34):
kind of stuff. I got a super chat here from Carl.
Carl says, first of all, thank you for being here.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Carl.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
I think if the super chat, Carl says, if you
are so down on Deon Walker, can you explain why
Bean had a first round rating on him in twenty
twenty three? Can he be what Brandon Bean saw in him? Again?
So first thing one, everybody evaluates people differently, and not
even just for me, right like I do this here
as essentially a part time job, but something I love

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and I study Brandon Bean does this professionally. But even
aside from that, professional people, scouts, GM's coaches. You could
show one guy's tape to ten different people and you
could get ten different grades in evaluation. So people see
things differently, they value certain things differently. I will say
I think the ceiling is what is intriguing about Walker

(37:23):
because at the size that he is, how light he
is on his feet and how he moves is just very,
very very intriguing. He's almost got like some bounce to
him with how he moves and athleticism and the multiple
alignment possibility. So if you can change some of that

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body composition, repurpose some of that weight, he could be
a really impactful guy. I don't know if he's ever
going to be like a sixty percent seventy percent snapshare guy,
but I think he's somebody who could have an impact.
The issue that I have is I just think he's
more of a one style kind of guy, not necessarily

(38:06):
a one trick pony, but that's the one style on
the trick that the bills like on the interior, So
he fits their archetype. He fits what they like, and
if you can clean him up a little bit right
from a body standpoint and from a health standpoint. And
you know, if you believe in yourself from a technique standpoint, right,
we can teach him to use his length better, to
teach him to use his hands better. We can get him,

(38:27):
you know, better from the neck up in terms of
recognition and diagnosis and all that stuff. If they really
believe in him like that, you know, that'll change the
grades too. I all think. Also, what's a big thing
as well, You'll player interviews go a long way towards
determining grades. And I'm not interviewing these players, and I'm
not behind the scenes with them, so i don't know
them as people. I can just watch on the tape.

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And you know, there were some other people too, But
there were a couple of people where I talked to
this offseason who had Carter head Walker is like a
top ten player going into this year. So again, he's
a huge dude, but he moves very nimbly and light
and bouncy. I think that attracts a lot of people,
presents a high ceiling for some. I just think I
just think there's cause for concern given the pad level

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he plays with the leaner frame. I just think there's
a lot to be done there. And as Noah says here,
he says Walker is untapped potential. I think you can
make that case. I just think there's a lot that
goes into tapping into that potential. I don't think it's
necessarily like, you know, here's a good example, right, Like
Greg Rousseau was a big, like untapped potential type of guy.
I thought his path towards being a successful NFL player

(39:34):
was more attainable than Walker's is, which is part of
why you took us in the first and you take
Walker on day three. But just kind of put that
into perspective as well. But yeah, I do think there's
potential there for Walker. I just don't know how likely
it is that he hits it. And I do think
there are some red flags that are going to be
hard to clean up and fix within him just because
of how he's built. Even if he fixes the weight,

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even if he gets the back issue, you know under control.
You know, those things will help with the red flags
and the concern mainly playing high and the leaner frame
and how that leads to displacement. But I do think
I still think there are going to be some causes
for concern there, but again, if you've got him within
a solid rotation, I think there's an opportunity for him
to be a rotation player. And yeah, so at the

(40:21):
end of the day, interior defensive line, I do think
they've gotten better on the interior and we'll see what
happens on the back end. You know, camp will be
really interesting to see how Walker shows up, if he
gets put on IR, if he's practicing, how much he is,
how much he isn't, and Dwayne Carter is gonna get
a real opportunity. Like this offseason is very big for
Dwayne Carter and this season is very big for Dwayn
Carter because Ogen Jobe is suspended for those first six

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games and there's a chance that Walker gets put on
the IR or they just handle him with kid gloves
as they try to get his body into the healthiest
state possible. So Dwayne Carter's going to get an opportunity.
We'll see what he does with that opportunity. But at
the end of the day with Jobi, I do think
this is a much better top four this year of

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Ed Daiquon Ogun, Jobey Sanders versus last year's group of
Ed Daikwan, Austin Johnson, and Dwayne Carter. So better on
the interior, still operating in that same type of mold,
the one gap, penetrating, get upfield, shoot gaps, havoc plays,
try and cause chaos in the backfield. You're still gonna
have some issues with displacement. You're still going to see
some guys get blown off the ball. You're still going

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to see the Bills defense get dashed on the interior
unless they use numbers to stop the run. But I
do think they will get more of the offense just
as much as they get got Sanders and Ogun Jobi.
For as much as they'll get knocked off the ball
a little bit by double teams, they're also going to
get theirs by penetrating and shooting the gaps and causing
problems in the backfield and just being violent on the interior.

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So upgrade on the interior, which is a very good
thing to see. The inside rush took a step up,
The inside run defense took a step up. It's still
not where I'd like it to be from defending from
a light box perspective, but it's still saw some improvement.
And then the inside pass Rush saw a large improvement
with Owen, Joby and Sanders, so overall very positive on

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the inside. As Mike says, Daniel, Jeremiah and mel Kiper
both had Walker outside their top fifties. He depended on
who you ask. Every evaluator is different, every team is different.
Who knows if the Bills don't take Walker there? Who
knows when he when he goes? Maybe the Bills valued
him higher than everyone else. Maybe someone else you know,
valued him the same or even higher. They just didn't

(42:29):
have the resources. You never know, bom bomb, But yeah, oh,
Gage says, any chance we see some three or four
fronts or special dime big Nickel type stuff, anything hybrid,
I hope, So, I really really really hope. So, especially
with you know, we're gonna get into the edge position now,
especially with how the edge grouping is built, I hope. So,

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but I've done this dance like every year, and I
don't want to get my hopes up too much of
being like, yeah, they're gonna do more hybrid fronts and
they're gonna get more exotic, and we'll see more sims
and creepers and five man rushes and six man rushes
in more effective games and stunts and all this stuff.
I don't want to get my hopes up. I would
think so, because there is a lot of hybrid potential
on the interior end on the outside. But I hope so,

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I hope so. Noah says, I really wish this regime
would change their way on defensive tackles. I don't want
them to completely change it. I just would like a tweak. Yeah,
but the archetype is the archetype, unfortunately or fortunately how
you look at it. All. Right, now, let's continue this
conversation on the defensive line. Let's move towards EDGE. So

(43:36):
on the interior defensive line, I think my highlight was
significant changes and improvements to the second wave and the
rotation on the interior defensive line. With EDGE, I think
what they've done this year is really just increased the
versatility and the depth. I still think there's questions from
a top end or a top tier perspective, which we're
going to talk about here, but at the minimum, you

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have increased the depth and the versatility at this group
are of this group, So right now you have a
top six edge grouping. Again, I'm not going to read
off everybody from the depth chart perspective, But as of
this moment, you've got Greg Russo, Joey Bosa, aj Panessa,
Michael Hoyt, Landon Jackson, and Javon Solomon. Now much like
defensive tackle and Larry Ogunjobi having that six game suspension,

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Michael Hoyt, free agent acquisition from the Los Angeles Rams,
is also serving a six game suspension, so that'll impact
this grouping a little bit. Oh, I already got some
love here Curtis and Landis Landis. I read Curtis and Landon,
and I combined him and I said Landis. Curtis saying
Landon Jackson was my favorite pick. Kent says he wants

(44:40):
to bring grout inside once a while. I love that idea.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Paison says he wants Zadarius Smith. R J over here
is saying I'm definitely more of a fan of this
year's top three picks as posted last year. I love
Harriston like Sanders and loved Jackson. I hated the Keyamp pick,
I hated the Bishop pick, and was okay with Carter.
Hopefully it works out better for you. Ralph says the
new defensive coaches suggest some new schemes are coming. Yes,
I do expect changes on the defensive line and from

(45:06):
a blitz standpoint, simulated pressures, creepers, and five man games.
Just given Ryan Nielson's track record, especially with what he
did with Atlanta, I know him as defensive coordinator with
Jacksonville was bad last year, but they had a ton
of injuries. The twenty twenty three Falcons tape was really
fun schematically so when he was their defensive coordinator. So
I'm hoping we get some of that. Not to mention,

(45:26):
I forget his name, all the time defensive backs coach
that came over from New England, all the man they played,
all the cover one they played. I do think there
are I don't want to say I just think there's
tweaks that are coming. I don't know how much is
going to change from a percentage standpoint or a usage standpoint,
but I do think we will see tweaks and changes
to the defense. I just don't know what capacity. But

(45:48):
let's go through here with this edge grouping. I think,
as of right now, you have two main questions, or
at least I have two questions, But I think there's
two questions here surrounding this edge grouping. As of right now,
and the first is who's going to be edge one
from a pass rush perspective. I still don't think Greg
Russau is there yet. I think he can be. He's

(46:11):
improved every year incrementally marginally, however, you want to verbalize
that he has made strides every year as a pass
rusher in his move set, his plan, his understanding. I
still don't think he's a true edge one as a
pass rusher though, And even just looking at some of
his you know, I know some people come through. It'll
be like, look at all the pressures that he had.

(46:32):
Twenty eight of his pressures came in three games last
year against the Jags, Titans, and Lions. Surprisingly, the Lions
have a great offensive line, but he ate in that game. Jacksonville,
Tennessee not so much. So A majority of his production
came in three games, which is still impressive. Right, you
have multiple games where you know in those three games
eleven pressures, eight pressures, nine pressures. So he has the

(46:53):
opportunity to become like a game wrecker against certain levels
of competition. I would like to see that continue game
by game. Reduce the games where there's zero pressures, one pressures,
two and get to that spot where you can be
more consistent and not just feast and live from a
volume standpoint off a couple of games here and there. Now,
I do think if he gets better running mates at

(47:14):
the edge spot and on the interior, that also helps him.
If TJ. Sanders can be what he projects to be,
if Ogan Jobe can be what they need him to be,
if Ed continues to be a factor on the inside,
and then depending on what you get from Bosa, depending
on what you get from Jackson Solomon Hoyt when he
comes back from his suspension. I do think the supporting

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cast helps Greg Russomore as a pass rusher this year.
But as of right now, I think he's a very
solid Edge two as a pass rusher. But even within
some of the metrics, I still don't think he's a
true edge one as a pass rusher. Now still top
tier legit edge one versus the run, one of the
best run defending defensive linemen let alone edges in the
entire NFL, so tremendous. So again that edge one conversation,

(47:59):
who who is Edge one as a rusher? I think
there's two possibilities within that is it? Greg Russau. Does
he make that leap, Does he have another season of
making improvement as a pass rusher and he becomes a
true overall edge one, or is it Joey Bosa just
from the rest of the group. I don't see Aja
Vanessa being the edge one as a pass rusher. I

(48:19):
don't see it being Hoye. I don't see it being Jackson,
I don't see it being Solomon. I think if they're
going to have a true edge one as a pass rusher,
it's either Greg Russeau making that leap or it's Joey
Bosa staying healthy. If Bosa's healthy, I think it's him.
But the health is a big, big, big, big, big, big, big,
big big big question. Obviously we know this. I'm not
going to dive into too much of it. But if

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Bosa can stay healthy, whether it's stuff that Bill's training
staff does with him, or if it's the snap count
and the usage and he doesn't have to play as
many early downs to stop the run like he did
with the Chargers, whatever the combination is, if it allows,
if he stays healthier with the Bills, I do think

(49:01):
he can be an edge one as a pass rusher.
That aspect of his game is still there might be
a lower tier. It might not be you know, top
five or top ten pass rushing edge like he was
in his prime with the Chargers, But I still do
think he can be a legit edge one, maybe just
a lower mid tier edge one, depending on how the
things fall, if they all fit fall the right way
for him. So that first question with the edge grouping

(49:23):
is who's going to be edge one or do they
should say do they have an edge one as a
pass rusher. I think it's either group taking the leap
or it's Joey Bosa staying healthy. The second question that
I have with the edge grouping is who steps up
from essentially everyone else, but I just labeled who steps
up from the depth. Is Michael Hoyt a chess piece

(49:44):
game wrecker? Do they line him up kind of like
what the rams? Did he use him in that spinner
roll where he's lining up off the edge, he's at
off ball linebacker and he's blitzing, he's lining up over
the center, he's in the a gap, he's stunting, he's looping,
he's spiking like all these things. Do they use him
that way? Or is he just to force off the edge.
Does Aja Panessa round back into more of a rush

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form or is he more of just an early down
snappy ter playing the run like he was last year?
What does Landon Jackson give you as a rookie? Is
Javon Solomon a thing who steps up from that grouping?
But also who steps up with Michael Hoyt's suspension? Does
his suspension open the door for someone to fill a
role or fill a spot and not let go Overall

(50:27):
with the edge grouping, I don't think this group is
top tier, but I think they've got a good mix
of role and depth potential. And if they can just
get Greg Russo to take a jump or get Bosa
to stay healthy, I think that could really kind of
push this group over towards being a strong aspect of
this team. I think Grout taking a jump or and
or Bosa staying healthy. If they get both those things,

(50:49):
that's amazing. But group taking a jump or Bosa staying healthy,
they could have a quality unit that can provide impact
in a multitude of ways up front, which is exciting.
So overall, I do think this edge grouping is better
than they were last year. I see Bosa as an
improvement over von Miller. I know some people will hang
on the metrics for Vaughan. I don't think the metrics

(51:11):
spoke to what the tape was. He had some really
good flashes, but I don't think his tape was as
strong as some of the metrics would indicate. And I
do think they've upgraded at the edge spot. We'll see
how much a lot of that is going to be
tied to what kind of tier they get from the
top guys being Bosa and group against the pass. As

(51:34):
far as defending the run, I got no concerns.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
A j.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Vanessa has become a good run defending edge group's a
good run defending edge or a great one. Actually, Michael
Hoyt can defend the run. Land and Jackson can defend
the run. Like I'm not worried about the edge grouping
playing the run at all, just more of what did
they get from a pass rush standpoint. But I do
think they've improved the edge grouping versus last year. Ralph says,
is Hoyt the next Arenze Alexander? He could be. I

(51:58):
like that idea. I like that, you know, kind of
monster man chess piece spinner role being back in this defense,
Ken says, I really don't like the idea of not
knowing our D line identity for six weeks and then
trying to figure it out from there. I also don't
like that either, But you know, if the Bill's got
to figure it out, we got to figure it out.
Maybe other teams have to figure it out too.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
What else?

Speaker 1 (52:22):
There was some comments I wanted to get to kmore,
he says late to the show. Is this the Saber's
therapy session? I refuse to anowledge Sabers aside from that comment,
but fair enough. R J says, ed Oliver only plays
well against good competition as to be a coaching thing, right,
This trend goes back years as well. He just doesn't
step up against bad onlines he had. You know, he's

(52:44):
He's performed against a multitude of guys, both good and bad,
quality and not quality. I think the biggest thing is
he's just gone away when the lights have been the brightest,
you know, just play. Not in the Bengals game, and
there were coverage aspects and issues that kind of messed
up the defensive line, but then just getting waxed by

(53:05):
Tony two seasons ago and the Divisional round was unfortunate.
He did play really good in the AFC Championship. Ed
Oliver had a very good AFC Championships and was one
of the bright spots on defense against the run, against
the pass. I just I think with his size, you're
gonna get that fluctuation. You're gonna have games where he's
crushing it in games where it's not. He's an outlier
from a size perspective, so I think that outlier leads

(53:28):
to ebbs and flows in his performance. But we'll see
Charles says, is Hoyton edge or a linebacker or both.
I'm hoping he's more of that spinner type role where
you don't know where he's coming from. I want to
see him everywhere. I want him line up at edge.
I want him lined up at off ball linebacker and blitzing.
I want him dropping into coverage'll every now and again

(53:48):
as they run sim simulated pressures and creepers. I want
him line up in the A gap and spiking and
taking out guards and centers. I want him doing everything upfront.
Like I think he is a solid chess piece. I
don't think he's this a tier completely change your whole
defense type of chess piece, but he is a quality
chess piece. I hope they use him everywhere. Ken says,

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My question is how many snaps does Bosa average in
the regular season? Oh, I feel like third. It's going
to depend on the game script for me, but I
would think like twenty five to forty depending on the game. Yeah,
and I would keep him. I would keep that horse
in the stables unless I absolutely, absolutely absolutely need him.

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I want to talk about land and Jackson briefly because
I know several folks in the chat really like him.
I'm lukewarm on land and Jackson. Please don't yell at me,
Please don't get upset. And it's mainly just I'm very
wary of guys that are high cut, and he is
a high cut guy. It's not just that he's tall.
It's that he's tall, but like majority of his hype

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comes from his leg length. He has a shorter type
of torso he's a very long guy with his legs.
He's very high cut, and that tend when guys are
built that way, it tends to lead to minimal lower
body flexibility, and that's what you have with him. So
he's high cut with minimal lower body flexibility, and you
really see that when he tries to turn the corner,

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try and run the arc, or try to transition on
play action, really violent hands. He loves the you know
the jumping or the eurostep cross chop where he gets
that cross arm in and pairs it with a club
and then rips right through. Good linear explosion. That's where
you see that rascore. He tests it off the charts
with you know broad jump and the vertical jump. Those
are explosion measuring tests at the combine, and you see

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that he is again he's not this big change of
direction Marvel, this loose, bendy, fluid type of athlete, but
he is a straight line, explosive guy. Line him up
out wide and let him just go through somebody, use
his violent hands and his length and his explosion and
just go through people or set an edge or not
get displaced. Multiple linement opportunities. He was used all over

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the defensive line in Arkansas, not as much as Walker,
but still a good amount a lot of stunt work
as a spiker games up front, he slants a bunch
His pass rush counters and transitions need work. I think
that also ties into him being high cut and playing
you know, with that lower body type of stiffness, you

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will see him kind of play upright and play high
a little bit similar to Walker, which is decently understandable
because saying Land and Jackson six foot six and Dean
Walker six foot seven, so again playing a little high,
them being high cut a little bit of lower body stiffness.
So that's some costs for concern, and then how that
affects his you know, his pass rush, counters, his transition,
his plan, his moves in general, really forceful tackle. If

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he brings his whole body through contact, he's trying to
bury dudes on contact and with that linear explosion. This
is one of my big parts of my notes here,
that linear explosion should yield better speed to power like
him bolt rushing guys, him going through guys and driving
them back into the court back's lap. But he gets
stalled out because of how upright he plays. So when
you want to see somebody if the tackle is like this,

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you want to see him be more like that and
get into him, not completely horizontal, but play with more
leverage and be able to go through and knock him back. Instead,
he kind of plays more upright, So then it's just
force hitting force and kind of seeing him stall out
a bit. But if they can change his pad level
a little bit, get him to play with a bit
more lean, play with a bit more leverage, I'm excited
to see what he can be. I was not a

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big fan of his. Again, high cut guys scare me
from a play style standpoint, but I think he fits
the archetype. I think the value is potentially really good
considering they got him in the third I forget where
he was on my edge rankings. I'm saying this now

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as I stall to go back and look into my
notes because I posted them all. Where was he? He
was edge eight for me in this draft class. So again,
I think there's he's got some stuff to offer. It's
just high cook guys like that scare me in terms
of what they can be. I think his future and
projection and trajectory in the NFL is like a high

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tier Edge three to maybe a low tier Edge two,
which is cool, right. I think he'll be a reliable
run defender, violence, physicality, hustle, juice, explosion fine and if
you can if you can clean up some of his
angles and leverage play in terms of how he comes
off the ball, get him to stop playing that high,
get him to stop stalling out a little bit, let

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him really take advantage of the length and the juice
and the explosion. That would really, really really be exciting.
But I just I just think, I just think some
of his ceiling is capped because he kind of has
one direction that he can play into because of him
being high cut and then having some lower body stiffness
with minimal flexibility, and then just in the playing upright

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and high a bit too much. But overall this edge grouping, Oh,
Dennis says over under on Jackson's Oh, Hoyt's gonna miss time,
I'm gonna say four and a half. I'm gonna say
four and a half. Also, depending too, I'll also want

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to keep this caveat depends on what the schedule looks like, too, right,
because I assume he'll see more playing time with Hoyt
having that suspension in the first six games. But I'd
like to see who they play in those first six games.
But I think I'm gonna set the over under right
now on four and a half, maybe five and a half.
I think over under over under on four and a
half because that length and that motor will also allow
him to clean up some stuff. So you can get

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that disruption from Sanders or Oliver Rogan, Jobi or even Rousseau,
and then Jackson can clean that up a little bit,
which is interesting. Kent says. The Bills seem to like
the more straight ahead defensive ends, but still have trouble
with contain. I hate to admit it, but I would
like three linebackers once in a while. That's fair. You know,
a lot of it. Some of it is scheme based, right,

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Like if these guys are dipping inside, they're not responsible
for contain anymore. But but I do think the mold
that they gravitate towards. The architect that gravitate towards are
compression style rushers. They don't look for dip guys, bend guys,
guys that have great change of direction and agility. So
because they don't look for guys like that, they look
for more, like you said, straight line linear. Hey, drive

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this tackle back into the quarterback's lap, use length, use compression,
use power, all that kind of stuff, right, They want that,
But that type of body type and play style doesn't
really lend itself towards you know, if a QB tries
to run, they their edges usually don't have the best
foot speed, and they don't have the best change of

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direction or agility or bend or athleticism. The kind of oh,
let me put the brakes on, sing my hips a
little bit and get back out and make a play.
It is more upright compression style guys. So again it's
give and take. You can only have so many eggs
and so many baskets. They choose to have their eggs
in that type of compression style. Back John says, isn't

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von Miller an outlier? Signing? Yes, absolutely, Even Leonard Floyd
was a bit of an outlier as well. But those guys,
I think they went that way just because they were
proven veteran mercenary type of guys on the edge. But yes,
von Miller is an outlier at edge for them in
every way, shape and form, from a play style standpoint,
from a build standpoint, I just figured they made exception

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because he's von Miller. Same thing with Leonard Floyd. Like
Leonard Floyd is a good edge rusher, So I figured
they just made the exception. Bom bomb Kevin says, hopefully
all these tall draft choices on the D line can
bat down passes regularly, that would be really really nice,
Bill says, an't what eleven would you like to see
take the majority of first and second down snaps against

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the Ravens. Man The Ravens are a unicorn and an
awesome offense. I still don't think the Bills are built
to stop the Ravens offense. And that's with say Flowers
like being banged up in the playoffs. Like I think
I said something in my head that I didn't say
out loud just now. The Ravens offense, for as much
as like Lamar shot themselves in the foot and you

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know Terrell Bernard forces that fumble on the big Mark
Andrews completion, the Ravens offense really had their way with
the Bills defense. And they're Mark Andrews drop away from
tying that game, you know, when they needed to. In
the second half, they had their way with the Bills
on the ground and in the air. Lamar marched them
right down to potentially tie it at the end. I

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still don't think they're a good matchup for the Ravens.
I don't think there are many defenses that match up
well with the Ravens. But if we're talking about how
to match up with the Ravens, I am we'll see
how they you know, they developed through a year. But
I really do think it's more three linebacker sets or
walk into safety down into the box. I think you

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have to beat them with numbers on the interior and
just styming him that way. You have to gap out.
It's not like, oh, Okay, this guy can play a
gap in half, this guy can cover two gaps. No,
you just have to attack them from number standpoint. I
think against run heavy teams that are good at running
the ball in general, not even just the Ravens, I
think the Bills still need to gap out basically what

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they did against the Lions last year, right the idea
of using numbers to defeat the run. The Bills came
out against the Lions and had like eight or nine
guys in the box on the first play, and that
was the mentality they played with for the majority of
the game. They were like, you are not going to
run the ball, honest, they were run blitzing and stunting
and gapping out left, right and center. I think that's

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what the Bills will have to do against the Ravens
and or against any run heavy team just because of
how they're built. Defensively, Klaude says Philly matched up well
with Baltimore. Philly also had like a rotation of seven
eight deep dues on the defensive line that were all sick,
and then a really good secondary on top of it.
Two and also a really good defensive like coach, again,

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some teams match up well with Baltimore and Philly, isn't
is I think an exception one of several, just given
how they are. Argie says, I think the best way
to beat the Ravens is you take away the pass,
let them run, and they have your offense score at
least thirty four points. Yeah, I don't think there's ever.
I don't think you're stopping the Ravens right, Like if

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you want to take the run take I do lean
in that direction, though, like take the runaway and then
see what happens with the pass. Not because Lamar can't pass,
Like Lamar is a really good Mar's a great player
and a really great passer and good passer and good
QB in general. But you just can't do both. You
can't try to stop Derrick Henry and stop Lamar Jackson

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and stop the pass like you got to pick one.
So I'd rather just sell out against the run as
a whole, and then if Lamar beats you because he
threw for four hundred and sixty yards in four touchdowns,
like it is what it is, unfortunately, but I'd rather
go out that way than have Derrick Henry run for
like one ninety and Lamar run for one to ten

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and Justice Hill run for thirty or forty like that's
I just don't want to die that way against the Ravens. Again,
I think Lamar still can beat you as a passer,
but at least I can niche down and silo that
a little bit more than having to deal with the
Derek Henry run game, the Lamar run game, all that
kind of stuff. John says, just tell Lamar it's a
playoff game and we'll be fine. I mean again, I

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know he turned the ball over a bit against the Bills.
He still balled out in that second half against the
Bills and drove the ball right down the defensive throat
to tie the game, and then Mark Andrews dropped that pass.
Granted it wasn't the best throw from Lamar, Andrews still
should have caught it and scored it, and we should
have had a tie game at the end of that fourth. So,
I mean, I know he hasn't played great in the playoffs,

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but his most recent game he drove out Ravens right
down the field to and did what he needed to
do to get them into scoring position, and then they
scored and then they had to drop. So again, I
know people make jokes, but I think Lamar is an
awesome player, and I think some of the playoff stuff
is a bit unfortunate. Oh, I forgot they got Malachai Starts. Yeah.
Curtis says that Stark pick hurts man. Malachi Starks and

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Kyle Hamilton woof is a sweet combination as safety. Yeah,
the Ravens got a really fun safety grouping. I love
Malachi Starks. Yeah, that's super cool, and says at some
point Henry will get old, maybe in twenty thirty. Yeah,
his off season like workout routine is legendary. He just
keeps his body in such great shape and his diet,

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how much he spends on his diet and how particularly
he is. Yeah, he's a well oiled and fueled machine.
John says if Lamar doesn't turn the ball over twice,
we lose by double digits. You know what, man, Yeah,
those turnovers It's hard to quantify how much. But yeah, man,
if he doesn't turn the ball over because the Bills
didn't correct me. If I'm wrong, chat feel free too.

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I don't think the Bill's got to stop aside from
the turnovers. So who knows. Maybe those drives that the
turnovers happen, they continue and maybe they miss a field
goal or they something else happens. But yeah, I don't
think the Bill's got to stop defensively aside from the takeaways,
which again is part of how they played for the
majority of the year. But yeah, man, now that Dennis

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says it's a shame that the Ravens are so good.
It makes their friends even more insufferable or their fans,
I think you met Yeah, oh there you go. You
put fans. Yeah, you know what. I never had a
problem with Ravens fans. They were very obnoxious in the playoffs,
but a lot of Bills fans were obnoxious too, So
I think you kind of give what you get. I
think I think anytime you have a good football team,
it's a Harvey Dent Dark Knight scenario where you either

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die a hero or live long enough to see yourself
become the villain. And in this sense, dying a hero
means being the fan of a bad team and live
long enough to see yourself become the villain means being
the fan of a team that's become good and eventually
you turn and just become obnoxious and awful. But yes,
the Ravens fans are brutal, but I've seen a lot
of Bills fans be brutal the way I always see
it too. Like even before last season, I was like

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just doing my analysis of the NFL, and like I
would post something about Lamar and I would just get
so many Bills fans who would just come into it
and just rag on Lamar left and right. That was
just super unnecessary. And I think Bills fans do that
to Lamar. Raven Stands do that to Josh Allen, And
it's just kind of this cat chasing its tail of
you know, or a chicken egg scenario or whatever, where

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everybody's just sparking off the other one. But yeah, it's
become a very interesting rivalry between Bills and Ravens. I
don't know if it's a rivalry on the field as
much a it is between the fan bases. But it's
interesting how that is escalated a little bit. Good conversation piece.
Thank you for for that in the chat. And again
just to wrap it up with edge, I think, okay, John,
thank you, John. John says Ravens didn't punt, but they

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did attempt two field goals, so we got two quote
unquote stops. Thank you very much, appreciate that. So yeah,
I think they have improved the edge grouping. We'll see
just how much I think the flour of the edge
grouping has been raised. I think the versatility and the
depth is much better this year than it was last year.
I think the ceiling of this group in twenty twenty

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five will be tied to how much of an edge
one they have as a pass rusher, whether it's group
making that jump or bots is staying healthy and being
that guy. Another position on to talk about here is cornerback.
Nothing too crazy here for the Bills, but a lot
of moving and shaking at corner, highlighted by a potentially
new cornerback too, and a lot of new depth. So

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as of right now, Christian Benford, Max Harston, a returning
to Davius White, are returning Dame Jackson, JaMarcus Ingram, Dorian
Strong rookie out of Virginia Tech, and then year two
day Kwon Hardy. This group has a lot of depth.
I think they have significantly raised the floor for this group,
which is very exciting considering corner as a premium position.

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The ceiling for the Bills Corner grouping obviously very dependent
on Max Harston and what he gives. What I think
is really interesting about the Harston pick, and I talked
about this a bit on Twitter and on some of
the post draft shows, is he brings elements that really
haven't been present in this Corner grouping at all, let alone,
like from a prevalent standpoint, speed, juice, recovery, athleticism, quick

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trigger twitch, like he's just a different type of athlete
with a different type of speed and juice and electricity
at corner than the Bills have had. He also has
questions on his tackling, which is very different than what
the Bills have had at corner. Granted, Tredavius White wasn't
necessarily the best tackler coming out of LC or even
necessarily on tape but he cleaned up some of those
pieces and would come up responsibly as a force player,

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but wasn't the best tackler. Harston is a very willing tackler,
just smaller frame, bit of a leaner frame, doesn't lend
himself here, doesn't give him a very you know, high
margin for air when he goes into the tackle point
and then being inconsistent with his angles and decisions as
a run defender, you know, kind of all adds up

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together in terms of having some struggles against the run.
I don't think he's ever gonna be a plus run
defender as a corner, but I do think the Bills
can make him functional, just with how much they value
that aspect of playing corner and how willing Harston is.
So maybe get him to play a little had a
little more muscle mass. Maybe if he can get to
a consistent playing weight of you know, one ninety to

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ninety four, thicken up a little bit and then clean
up some of his angles and technique at the tackle
point and decision making. I think that'll go a long
way for him. Again, because he is a willing tackler,
He's just leaner, a bit smaller framed and then inconsistent
from a technique standpoint, but from a coverage standpoint, man,
just I'm just gonna go to my evaluation here. Where

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is it a a zone coverage corner who wins a
lot in off coverage but has a skill set and
athletic profile and some tape. I mean, I stumble over
that his own coverage corner who wins an off coverage
but has a skill set and athletic profile along with
some tape to suggest he can be successful in man

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and press. He's got very calm and clean feet, clean
falling apart, He's got very calm and clean feet, good
recovery speed I'd say, plus recovery speed plus athleticism again,
willing but poor tackler. Angles and decisions and run support
as far as fit and force are questionable at times
and inconsistent. Also flings his body more so than tries

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to step with same foot, same shoulder. He's able to
get back in phase when fulled versus vertical routes due
to his athleticism and speed plus short area burst. He
can play the left side or the right side. Does
a good job in zone collecting routes. Also has good
zone spatial awareness He's able to fall off at coverage
in bake quarterbacks, functional as a cloud corner, functional in

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a deep third and cover three. He can play some
man press and off. He'll let wide receivers into his
blind spot and can be fooled a bit at times
in resent in stems against wide receivers, and you'll see
him kind of get turned around and inside out. But
then that's where the athleticism comes in, because he'll get
fooled and then just get back and phase because he
has so much juice and speed, a strong trigger and

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burst to close on underneath routes, a very good twitch.
Play strength will be a concern given his lean frame
at the tackle point in stems against wide receivers. Anywhere contact,
he'll fall off. Guys a bit patient went in off coverage.
He trusts his eyes and his speed. He's able to
sit on routes and then comfortably turn and run as needed.

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He keys wide receiver's hips as he turns and runs,
and he has the feet and fluidity to throttle down
and stay close hand usage in route stems to establish
feel and obstruct opponents. He can be better versus back
shoulder throws. You'll see him kind of get thrown by
or kind of chucked a little bit, especially against bigger
body type of guys, but really exciting athlete. I'm excited

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to see what he brings from an on the field perspective.
And you know, Eric and I talked about this a
bit on the Saturday Morning Show when we wrapped up
Harriston's film when the Bills took him on that Friday
night or Thursday Night'm sorry, the Friday Morning Show. I'm
thrown off with my days here. We've talked so much

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about the bills restricting airspace by getting you know, another
a corner two that can live and succeed and thrive
and be effective and pressed man. So that way, you know,
throw off the timing. Let's get into the kitchen of
these wide receivers and make life hell for them coming
right off the line. I think Harrison has the potential
to be that guy, or even work in some of

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some of that a bit as a rookie. But I
think he can be that guy going forward with proper coaching,
because he has the skill set and the profile athletically
for it. But he can squeeze windows and restrict airspace
in zone from off garverage because of that quick twitch
and that trigger and burst that he has. So you know,
instead of having you know, passes completed underneath and you

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don't have maybe the twitchiest athletes closing down on them
from the outside, now you've got Max Harrison who's kind
of inviting those underneath throws so he can trigger on
it immediately and come downhill. So I do think they've
increased the opportunity at corner in conjunction with Benford to
restrict airspace and squeeze windows, just in a different way

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than I necessary initially thought and or hope for with
you know, kind of wanting Trey Amos or that type
of corner more of a press man type of corner,
but that that off coverage and being able to trigger
down quickly and end accurately from Harston is really impressive.
It'll serve him well, you know, just even outbreaking routes
and stuff. If you are if as a quarterback, if

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you're not on time with your throw, or if the
ball placement isn't where it needs to be, if it's
slightly behind the receiver, or if you're slightly off with
your timing, He's gonna jump it. He's gonna knock it down.
He's gonna pick it like he's got real juice at corner,
which is awesome to see. And again that how he
can close that space underneath with his trigger and his
twitch is gonna matter a lot also within this corner grouping,

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I really like having Trey White back as CB three
or CB four, depending on how you view the other corners.
He's been around the block, he knows this team, he
knows the culture. He's smart as hell at corner. Similar
idea for all of what I just said with Dan
Jackson as well, just on a bit of a lower scale.
I really like having Trey White and Dane Jackson is
Corner three and Corner four. I don't want hold on.

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I got back this up here. RJ says, well, we
also got the best press man corner in the draft
along with Strong.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or I don't
think Dorian Strong is the best press man corner in
the draft. I like some of what he does. I
have to finish my email on him, but I don't
think he was the best pressman corner in this draft.
But I think somebody did. I saw that somewhere. I
don't know who said that, or I don't know if
Rjbreen sarcastic or not. I don't think he's the best

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pressman corner in this draft, but he does that. He
does do some positive things. But ah r J says
that was according to Greg cossell and no, I think
Greg Cosell said his coach at Virginia Tech said that
he's the best pressman corner he's ever been around. I
think that's what That's what it was. Greg Cosell said

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that one that Dorian Strong's like secondary coach or defensive corner.
One of his coaches at Virginia Tech said that Dorian
Strong is the best pressman corner he's ever been around,
which is still a compliment. But I think that's that's
much different than saying Cosell or a few GMS said it.
Maybe a few GMS did say it. I don't know,
but I think the Cosselle comment was one of his
coaches at Virginia Tech said he's the best pressman corner

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he's ever been around, which is still good. You know,
you want to hear that from coaches, but I also
take that with a bit of a grain of salt.
But I like the floor of this grouping. I like
having Trey as corner three. I like having Dame Jackson
his corner four. I hope neither of them have to
be the full time CB two or CV one, you know.
I hope Harston and Benford pan out as a duo

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and a pairing from a health standpoint and from an
effectiveness standpoint, and then you can just have Trey and
Dan Jackson be real quality safety nets like that would
be super awesome to have. And then after that you've
got JaMarcus Ingram who's got some inside outside versatility. You've
got Dorian Strong, You've got Daiquon Hardy, who I like
last year. Will see what he can be. I think

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you just you've really significantly raised the floor at corner,
and then the ceiling could really be raised depending on
what Max Harston is and we'll see what that is,
you know, as a rookie or what he is going for.
But I like this corner grouping, how it's shaped up
as a unit, what you can do schematically. I think

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now that you've got an athlete like Hairston with the
with the zone coverage shops and even the athletic profile
and skills set to play a bit of man even
though he's not the biggest guy, and he's gonna have
to be sharp with his technique and his reads because
he will get flung flung around a bit. You've got
the opportunity to play a bit more single high coverages
in terms of both Cover three and Cover one, which
is man coverage on the outside, and then use that

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other safety to help play the run to fit the run,
either post snap and trigger down and buzz down or
be in the box from a pre snap alignment or decision.
Because you've got two corners on the outside and Benford
and Harston that allow you to kind of live on
islands a bit more and use more bodies to play
the run, I think that will go a long way
towards helping the run defense this year. Again, I still

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don't think they're built to defend the run from light boxes,
given how light they are on the interior and how
smaller they are at the second level with Bernard Milano
and even Teraren Johnson and being a nickel defense and
all that kind of stuff. So I think their best
way to defend the run is with numbers and you
can you can feel more comfortable committing a safety to
the box if you've got corners like Benford and Harrison

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on the outside, Guys who can you know, play one
on one and live one on one a bit. John
come in with some snarks saying Easter is over. By
the way, John, I spoke about this in the beginning.
I did not update the background. It'll be updated for
a Memorial Day theme considering the holiday that's here this month,
but I decided to leave the Easter stuff up. One
because I really like this decor behind me, but also two,

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so I thought the pastels worked well for Mother's Day,
which is this weekend. So I appreciate you acknowledging the
background and your snark as well. Anthony says, I believe
in Joe Hendry. I like that nice wrestling reference. Well done. Yeah,
so I like with this corner grouping is I'm really
interested to see kind of what happens for CB five

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and even maybe CB four, like Ingram Strong, maybe even Hardy,
like who wins that CB five spot? Do any of
those guys push Dane Jackson out as CB four because
also within that too, like right now for this year
twenty twenty five, CB three, and CB four I expect
to be some combination of Trey White and Dane Jackson,

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but both those guys are on one year deal. So
in an ideal world, maybe one of the younger guys
ingram strong, hardy, maybe particularly strong. If one of those
guys can win the C before job, then maybe that's
your CB three next year. Again. So I think camp
in the preseason is gonna be really interesting for the
bottom of the depth chart at corner because not not

(01:20:47):
only do I think those guys are staking a claim
to a spot this year in twenty twenty five, but
if they're all potentially staking a claim and planning a
flag to be CB three next year once Trey and
Dane are gone, which will be uh really uh really
really really interesting. Say sorry, mister beginning something eleven short
months away. Fair enough, fair enough, h Dennis says, can

(01:21:10):
hair Harrison blitz. Yeah, you can blitz him off the corner.
He's got the speed and the juice for it. It's
just gonna be a matter of can he bring the
quarterback down because of again, size, frame, angles, all that
type of stuff. If he gets chipped a little by
a tight end or running back he might get run
around the article, kind of pushed around the QB, but
he's got the speed and the juice and the tenacity
for it, which will be fun. Todd says Anthony, what

(01:21:33):
draft pick was the biggest steel for the Bills this year? Oh,
it's tough. If Jackson pans out, it's probably landing Jackson
because they got him in the third and technically like
they traded down and got him right now. I'm just
going going with Jordan Hancock because I think his versatility
and the athleticism that he brings as like a depth

(01:21:54):
safety and a depth nickel guy, and where they got
him on Day three in the fifth round, I think
that even though again that might not be sexy and
it's a Day three guy, but that would be my vote.
If Jackson pans out, it's probably Jackson. But yeah, Kevin says,
can Hancock be a good safety? I hope so. I

(01:22:17):
see him more as a box guy and a nickel defender,
more of a slot in apex who can do some
safety stuff. I think he can live in split field coverages,
but he's at his best in and around the line
of scrimmage and the box kind of just going forward
left and right and just being big and athletic. Todd says,
do you think Hancock will push Lewis out? I think

(01:22:37):
he has a chance to. And that's really saying something
because I think Cam Lewis put a good season together
last year and he's proven to be a quality guy
for them. But man, Hancock has the size and the
athleticism and the physicality that I think could really do
a lot for this defense. I also think it's interesting too,
like can he function enough at safety? Does he get

(01:22:57):
enough looks at safety in camp and do well enough
then that they move on from DeMar Hamlin or Derek Forrest.
I think Derrek Force is a real dark horse to
be the starting safety opposite of Taylor Rapp. That's conversation
for another time. Yeah, I think Hancock is. I think
Hancock is the chance to push somebody out. It could
be Cam Lewis, it could be DeMar Hamlin. I like

(01:23:18):
Hancock's tape. I think I said it when I was
on the rock Pile Report last week. Hancock was a
guy who I watched a ton of Ohio State tape
this draft cycle, offense and defense, but especially defensively. Between
tylerk Williams and j T. Tumoloau and Jack Sawyer and
Cody Simon, and then I really love Caleb Downs, who
will be drafted hill next year. So I was watching

(01:23:39):
tape for him and Jordan Hancock was number seven, and
I kept seeing seven flash like he would just make place,
like he'd make a really good hit. It wasn't a
ton like, though he's not doing it like five to
six times a game, but every game I watched, he
would flash in some way, and I told myself to
go down, or I wrote down. I told myself to
go back and watch Hancocks like TA figured out who

(01:24:00):
seven was, and I just never had the time and
I never went back and did it. And it was
so funny when they drafted him and I was like okay,
and I was like, wait a minute, that's that's seven.
And it was cool to go back and watch his
tape because he flashed a bunch of the pre draft process.
I just never went into the ebaut because I never
had the time for it because he was down the
board more. But I thought it was a cool pick.
On day three. I think he has a chance to

(01:24:21):
push out Lewis or push out Hamlin. He has true
like safety and slot versatility. I think more slot and
apex than he does safety, but that's a roster spot.
He's got good athleticism, he's got good juice. He's got
some size to him, like six one and one ninety five,
so I think he's got to do that gives you
an opportunity from a roster saving standpoint, because he special

(01:24:42):
team snaps back up Nickel maybe a death safety, Like
you get three roster spots in one, and he's got
some versatility to do that. Could see that, could could
see that. Adam says, who's our best one high safety.
I think it's six to one a half a dozen
to the other. I think Taylor Rapp is the the
best single high state. Honestly, it might be Derrick Forest.
I think Taylor Rap is the best from a reading

(01:25:05):
the game standpoint mentally, but he's not the most athletic
and doesn't have the best foot speed. Bishop is the
best single high safety from an athletic profile standpoint, but
doesn't have the you know, between the ears and the
mental side of it like Rap does. And then you've
got Forest, who I think has some of the athleticism
but also some of the ability to read and diagnose,
so it's like six to one half a dozen of

(01:25:27):
the other in a multitude of ways. It might be
Forest because he's like the best of both worlds combined,
whereas Rap is strong and one and deficient in another,
and then Bishop is strong in one and deficient in another.
So it might be Derrick Forest, which might sound crazy
and might be awesome or terrible, depending on what that
makes you think of the safety room. And then Ron

(01:25:48):
says Hancock has more speed in the secondary, something the
defense needs. Yes, he had speed. He had speed and
juice and pop and a little bit of size, which
is nice to have in the secondary in general. And
you can play in different ways, which is fine. So yeah,
I like that Hancock signing work drafting, I should say.
But yeah, so at Corner kind of wrap up the

(01:26:08):
Corner grouping. I think the Bills have improved here at
Corner as well. Last year it was Benford and Douglas
and then Kyer was your three. I think Trey White
as right now, even though I know Trey White isn't
the sexiest, I think Trey White is a better CB
three than Kyri Elam. I have more faith in Trey White,
even though his tape wasn't the sexiest. But I mean,
I don't have faith in kyri Elam from a down

(01:26:29):
to down standpoint anyway, So it might be another six
and one half a dozen to the other. But I
like Trey there. Harriston is obviously a projection. We don't
know what Rasseul Douglas or how Harrison will be compared
to what Douglas was last year. But from an athletic
profile standpoint and what it means schematically, I like that
as well. And then overall I just like the depth.
So I think it might be a bit of a

(01:26:49):
push if Corner as a whole is better, But I
think the floor has been raised, the depth has been raised,
and the athletic profile has been raised, which is really
really really, really really fun to have at Corner. RJ says. Meanwhile,
the Ravens have both starts in Hamilton. That team will
be impossible to beat. They're gonna be a hard squad
to beat, man, I mean, they were a hard squad

(01:27:10):
to beat in the playoffs last year. They're gonna be
a tough out every single year. They're a really good team,
which is unfortunate for the Bills. John says, really looking
forward to training camping because because d line CB and
safety will have a bunch of competition appso lootly. Ken says,
I have confidence and Bishop he just needs to learn
to be a pro. That's fair. Last position I want
to talk about. I mentioned linebacker a little bit. I'm

(01:27:32):
interested to kind of see just what the linebacker grouping
is this year. From a usage standpoint, we continue to
see Dorian Williams getting some work as that third linebacker.
Can anybody supplant byal inspector is linebacker four? I don't
think there's too much here aside from just you know,
Dorian Williams is your linebacker three. If anything happens to

(01:27:54):
Millard or Millard, I combine names again. If anything happens
to Blana or Bernard, he's that next guy who steps
in if they go with three linebackers, it's Dorian Williams.
We'll see how he continues to trend and what his
trajectory looks like. I still do think he has room
for improvement and growth. And wasn't this amazing stud like
a lot of people build him out to be. Last year,
but he showed a lot of improvement from year one
to year two. I'm interested to see what he becomes

(01:28:14):
in year three. The linebacker's been a sent in and
forget it really with the top three unless you know,
you know, no jinks injuries happened. Safety is when I
want to touch on briefly. You know, Taylor Rap, Cole Bishop,
Tomorrow Hamlin, Derek Forrest, maybe Jordan Hancock, depending on how
the Bills view him or where they want to deploy him.
I do think Taylor Rap starts. I think the Bills

(01:28:37):
want Cold Bishop is safety two, but I think it's
a legitimate three man race to see who the other
starting safety is. If you told me Cole Bishop wins it,
I wouldn't be surprised. If you told me Tomar Hamlin
wins it, I wouldn't be surprised. If you told me
Derek Forrest wins it, I wouldn't be surprised. Hell, even
if it's a different combination. If it's Bishop and Forrest,
if it's Forrest in Rap, if it's wrap In Hamlin,

(01:28:59):
if it's Hamlin, like you could make a case that
any one of those guys could be the combination of
the pairing. I do think Rap has the inside track
to be a starter, and I do think they want
Bishop to win the other job, but I do think
it's a legitimate competition. I would not be surprised if
Derek Forrest starts. I like this tape more than I
thought I would. I'm also maybe a little biased. I
like this tape at Cincinnati coming out several years ago.

(01:29:23):
Safety is going to be a battle and a fun one.
We'll see. And again, who knows what would happened last
year if Cole Bishop didn't get hurt in training camp,
and if he does this year, is it Hamlin again?
I put a tweet out earlier today that was kind
of surprising DeMar Hamlin led the Bills defense and snaps
and snaps per game in twenty twenty four, like they
just like him and feel comfortable with safety, as unsexy
as he may be. I would like Bishop to win

(01:29:45):
the job. I would, you know, like Forrest to potentially
win the job. Hamlin would be my fourth option in
terms of starters, but he is reliable and responsible, and
I do get it. I like the safeties individually more
than I do as a pairing and as a duo.
I've spoken about it a ton on the show. I
just don't think I think you know Bishop and Rap specifically.
Both of their skill sets lean towards being better in

(01:30:06):
and around the box and around the line of scrimmage,
but neither are the best like single high option, you know.
Like I mentioned earlier, Bishop has the range for it,
but doesn't have the processing and the eyes yet for it.
We'll see if he does in year two. Rap has
the eyes and the processing for it, but doesn't necessarily
have the range and the athleticism for it. Rap is

(01:30:27):
better around the box, but so is Bishop. Bishop's also
more athletic in around the box the cover tight ends
and cover receivers, but he's gotta again be able to
understand leverage and spacing the way Rap does. It's just
weird how they just coalesce into a unit. I don't
really dislike any player individually. I still don't think cold

(01:30:49):
Bishop was an ideal fit for the Bills defense that
I don't want to get into that too much. I've
spoken on so much on the show, so we'll see
what he is in year two. I think safety is
interesting just as a grouping and as a pairing. I
think you can make a case for a multitude of
combinations starting at safety coming out again, if you told
me there was any combination of those four guys or
I don't know, if Jordan Hancock balls out and wins

(01:31:12):
the spot, I think that's further down the list. But yeah,
it's interesting for me. Ron says Bishop and Forrest to
start fair enough. Kent says, great point to me, the
safeties don't match. Well. Yeah, it's interesting just how they
all mesh together. But I mean, I don't think Hamlin
and rap meshed well either. He didn't need Neither of

(01:31:34):
those guys were rangy guys. Neither of those guys were ballhawks,
plays on the ball type of guys. They also kind
of like what they like in the secondary eric safety,
I should say Cole Bishop is a bit of an
outlier with how much of an athletic profile he had
and then how he played, what kind of defense he
came from at Utah, And again he was more of
a monster man in and around the line of scrimmage

(01:31:54):
like Apex. Sometimes he's dropping deep, but he was just
all around the box in the line of scrimmage. Now
he's having to play more deep and more split field
stuff with the Bills and more pro style coverage. So
it's just interesting how everything kind of comes together at
that safety spot. I do think, yeah, I just the pairings.
I just I just don't I just don't know how
well they compliment each other, any of the pairings. Honestly,

(01:32:16):
the best the best pairing is probably like Forest and
Rap or Forest and Bishop, which might be crazy unless
unless Bishop takes a step in his processing and how
he sees the game, then it could still be Bishop
and Rap. But competition, It'll be fun in camp to
see that. Cam Moorey says that Hamlin lead and snaps
because he played through the blowouts while others sat Maybee

(01:32:41):
and also too like Taylor Rap got hurt for a
little bit, Bernard missed some time with injury. So yeah,
there are some variables that were thrown in there. But
I just wasn't expecting to see demorrow Hamlin as the
leading snap getter from a snapsper game and volume standpoint
of surprise. Maybe maybe not surprise thing to anyone else,
will surprising to me. Arjie says, with people feel better

(01:33:04):
about Hamlin if he didn't have three turnovers taken away
by officiating, I personally wouldn't I don't even think of
that when it comes to my evaluation of him. It's
just it's just his skill set and the trace that
he has and what it means for the defense in
terms of how they can play. I just think your
ceiling is very capped. If Jamar Hamlin is starting, If

(01:33:26):
tomorrow Hamlin is your starting safety, I think like that
means that you need to be loaded everywhere else on defense.
And I just didn't think the bills were I don't
even know if the bills aren't now so so for me, no,
that doesn't influence me, but it might for others. Adam
says a cold Bishop's play worthy was impressive. Never know
how they called it a catch. Two things. I'm fine

(01:33:47):
with it being a catch. I do think even though
it touched the ground a bit, it was trapped and secured.
It was a good play by Bishop. But also it
should have never gotten to that point where it doesn't
have to be reviewed. Is it a catch? Bishop saw it.
He should have made a better play on the ball.
It was a good play by Bishop, but I fault
him for not making a clear and decisive stop with

(01:34:08):
that ball in the air like he should have. He
should have made that play, but overall, the jump and
everything was impressive. Ron, I saw your comment earlier and
I started, Ron says, do you think we need to
add a linebacker? And then I'll tie this in with
the other question, Ron saying, what position groups? Do you
still see us adding a player or two? I could
see them adding a linebacker potentially, you know, just if

(01:34:28):
they don't feel great with Specter being linebacker, for maybe
he's not linebacker. For maybe it is you know, Ula Fotio,
or it's Joe Andresen. But I could see them adding
a linebacker. I could also see them adding someone on
the defensive line, not necessarily like a high priority guy,
but just a camp body, you know, or somebody for
you know, the down down the road, given the suspensions

(01:34:50):
or things like that. But on the defensive side the ball,
I really do think they're set for the most part.
I wouldn't rule out a linebacker. I don't think safety,
although that's got a possibility. I really think it would
be kind of a linebacker ka Morris's. Maybe they see
Hoyt as sort of a linebacker. I do think you
could get some linebacker reps out of him on third

(01:35:12):
downs and rush situations. But I don't think he's in
every down off ball down to down linebacker where he's
going to play coverage and he's going to be doing
things like that. But I do think they could use
him as quasi linebacker in different pieces in places. Kent says,
I'm pretty sure the Bills have no money. Yeah, they're
strapped to the cap, but there's always ways to fit in.
Like a veteran here there like a one year, two
million dollar type of deal, three million dollar type of deal,

(01:35:34):
void years, how you spread it out and pro rate
it and all that kind of stuff. So if they
wanted to sign somebody, they could, I think it would
be more of if they add a player or two,
I think it's going to be more of a cheaper,
can't body deaf guy trying to add somebody and kind
of go from there. Carlosa's Hide employer both seemed to
have high football IQs. They did and played well together
as they knew where the other would be, which safeties

(01:35:56):
would work the best together and be where they need
to be instinctively. Wow, good question, Oh, Forest and Rap
if you're going off of football IQ and being and
talking about like knowing where the other will be and

(01:36:18):
work the best together. Okay, let me unpack this football
IQ and knowing where the other will be. It's either
Rapid Forest or wrap in Hamlin working the best together.
That's going to be very like I talked about earlier,
based on skill set where they need to be instinctively.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
Yeah, you can make a case for really any kind
of pairing k Morris's Malchi starts and Javon hallm that's funny. Yeah,
I really do think overall the kind I answer this question,
I know I bucketed it a bit. If you're just
talking about knowing where working together and knowing where the
other is going to be, it's Wrap and Hamlin because

(01:37:00):
Hamlin's very responsible. He's where he he you know where
he's going to be. He's not going to be out
of place. He's not looking to jump something. He's not
trying to go rogue and make a play on the
ball or you know, bite on this and try and
trigger and make a play. He's going to play his
job safely and responsibly. Rap does that as well, just
with a little more force and a little more anticipation

(01:37:21):
and a little more athleticism. Bishop I think is not
there yet from a football IQ, not not from I
shouldn't say fotball qu from a processing standpoint, given how
he's still adjusting to playing further away from the line
of scrimmage than he did at Utah. So Forrest, I
think is really the most intriguing one, and I would
put him into this conversation. There's really a good question, Carl.

(01:37:41):
I appreciate that Ken says Bishop has the upside to
play him to gain the IQ. That is true. You know,
more time on task should in theory, you know, get
him more up to speed. The more he sees the
game with real snaps, whether it's in camp, preseason, regular
season snaps. The more he's actually getting, you know, live
bullets experience playing further away from the line of scrimmage
in this defense, in theory, the better it will make him.

(01:38:05):
The question is, is is that trade off, you know,
letting him get that time on task, is it better
or more beneficial than having somebody who might be ahead
of him now maybe like Forrest or even Hamlin. Depending
on how you leave these guys, safety is going to
be really interesting. It really all comes down to just
where Cole Bishop is from a processing standpoint, because he's
got the athleticism. It's just a matter of a well

(01:38:27):
he can play within the scheme and structure and within
responsibility an assignment sound standpoint, it's just so it's so
funny too, like Hamlin is so assignment sound but just
doesn't have the athleticism of the juice, and then Bishop
has the athleticism and the juice but just isn't assignment
sound yet, And it's just it's just so funny, like

(01:38:48):
how they built this room and I don't Hamlin's not
going to take a jump athletically, so you're hoping that
Bishop takes a jump. From a processing standpoint, We'll see
it'll be pretty fun but overall, how much better With
the Bills defense being twenty twenty five, I want to
use this episode to kind of set the table. We're
gonna be getting into more schematic things going forward, individual
player looks and some tape and schematics and metrics as

(01:39:10):
we go forward this offseason on the show here. But
I wanted to use this one to kind of set
the table for that. And I do think that Bill's
defense will be better in twenty twenty five. I do
still think displacement against the run will be an issue.
I do think there's gonna be an issue with you know,
through the spine of guys getting knocked off the ball
latterly and vertically. I do think the best way to

(01:39:32):
correct for that is by gapping out and using numbers
to stop the run. I do think they're better from
an inside rush standpoint. I do think they're better from
a juice and violent standpoint and penetration standpoint on the inside.
So for a team that already created a lot of
chaos and havoc, I think they are set up more
for that this year, given having Sanders and Ogunjobi, even

(01:39:54):
though Ogunjobe's gonna miss six games, given that building on
the inside, instead of having A Johnson and Dwayne Carter.
And then we talked about what the edge grouping is.
I like the versatility, I like the depth. I think
you've got a bunch of like B minus and B guys.
Maybe you have a couple B pluses, maybe you have
an A or an A minus or two eight minuses,

(01:40:15):
depending on what BOSA can be. It'll be really interesting
to kind of see what they do. And then I
think corner like we just you know, finished talking about
I think corner got a bit of a facelift and
a change with Max Harriston, but also upgrades from a
depth standpoint and from a functional depth standpoint. So on paper,
I do think the Bills defense is better in twenty
twenty five in a multitude of ways than they were

(01:40:36):
in twenty twenty four. Schematically, we'll dive into that and
further episodes going forward, but my interest is peaked, and
I am hopeful given kind of how they've built this
grouping out and what they've done and how things are
kind of coalescing into one in a multitude of ways.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
But I.

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
I think this grouping has potential to ease a lot
of the struggles or mitigate some of the struggles they've
had in years past. I still think displacement's going to
be an issue. I still think they're going to struggle
against the run at times, depending on the opponent, depending
on the matchup. But you could say that for a
lot of defenses to play Devil's Advocate, their best option

(01:41:16):
against the run is still going to be penetrating and
getting a stop for a loss, or if you want
to be assignment sound, it's going to be gapping out
and using numbers and making sure they have a body
for every single gap that the offense has, which they
could do if they walk safeties down pre snap or
spin them down post snap, because they have corners on
the outside and Benford and Harrison that they think can
live one on one. A lot of fun schematic conversations

(01:41:38):
going forward. But I do think this Bill's defense is
better on paper in twenty twenty five than they are
in we're in twenty twenty four, and I think they
have a lot more schematic potential in twenty twenty five
than they did in twenty twenty four. They didn't ease
my biggest concern again, which was displacement in the spine
against the run, but they can mitigate it a bit
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Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
And also a question from rj Ar says, historically, when
a team has this many changes on defense, does it
take a while for them to gel? Historically? I think
it depends. It depends on how which is I know
it's probably a cop out answer, but it depends how
depends on the schematic fit for the players, because it's

(01:44:55):
not just the changes, it's the schematic fit on top
of it. And I think with what the Bills have
not a lot of schematic changes. Like TJ. Sanders is
a change, is a scheme fit. Landon Jackson is a change.
He's a scheme fit. Larry Ogunjobi is a change, He's
a scheme fit. Bosa is a scheme fit. Max Harston

(01:45:15):
bit of an outlier for them, but also because of
how well he plays in zone also kind of a
scheme fit. So I don't think it'll take too long
for them to gel because they are scheme fits and
there's familiarity. There's not too many round pegs in a
square hole happening here. It might not be the perfect
or most seamless fit, but they are very close. I
think they picked a lot of guys who have the

(01:45:36):
skill sets that they value, but also fit some of
the archetypes in upgraded ways. And if they have skill
sets that are new or traits that are new that
they value, like Hairston, they still do fit enough of
the archetype from his zone coverage standpoint to succeed and fit.
So I think that's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
Carl shown some love for Tredevius White. Very very very
very very very Yeah. I was very good. I was
pumped to see Trait White come back. It sucked to
see him go out the way he did, so I'm
happy to have him back. Kent says, I dig the
fact you say on paper, Humble, this moment won't stop.
We're gonna win one, and we will do it with
McDermot Gobills man, I really hope so I would like

(01:46:15):
to not be heartbroken every year. I'm also a Barcelona
fan and I am just absolutely gutted today with how
Barcelona lost against Inter Milan. So yeah, man, man, man, Yeah,
it's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Oh.

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(01:46:49):
for being here and thank you for that. Yeah, are
just saying I know it usually takes less time on
offense to gel than defense historically. I think I heard
that from Aaron Shafts forever ago. Oh maybe I guess it. Also, Yeah,
offense too depend for me, it's all scheme and verbage.
And what do you come from a similar defense? Do
you come from a similar offense? Like are you going
from a run blocking role as a receiver to more

(01:47:11):
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