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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's thirty eight.

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The kick is on the.

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the hell that one.

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Home?

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How one?

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They were a party one not party way?

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Incredible?

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Why not combat by my bell?

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Jacksonville's perfect record on the line right here, quick.

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Kicking, look excited. Touchdown Kyle Williams touchdound.

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Amazing, unbelievable. They puttied william who's has to full back
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What's good?

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(01:40):
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p R O A N T. In this Tuesday, March
eleven edition of Disguised Coverage, we will be diving into
the start of reagency for the Buffalo Bills. A lot

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of activity, not necessarily from a new edition standpoint, but
there are a couple new additions, a couple re signings,
several extensions that happened over the weekend and going into
Sunday night before legal tampering started. So there's money conversations
to be had, roster conversations to be had, Guys that
seemed like really good potential targets that went elsewhere, Guys
that signed elsewhere for money at positions of need that

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it looks like the Bills potentially could have afforded. Questions, thoughts, comments, concerns.
We will be diving into all of that tonight in
this episode, and as always as we do here on
the show, making it as engaging as possible for you
live viewers who are riding with us live. I know
how this this time of year, between free agency and

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the draft, there are a lot of thoughts and a
lot of feelings that go into all of it. So anything, questions, thoughts, comments,
concerns thrown up into the chat. We obviously have a
run of show here tonight, but I want to make
this episode as open and engaging as possible again, even
though we do that here normally, but even more so
given the time of year and where we are in
this off season schedule. So questions, thoughts, comments, concerns throw

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them up into the chat on anything and everything. Super
chats get priority one because I respect the monetary donation.
Two because the color attracts me like a cat and
takes me away from my notes.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Not alone.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Hope you would have gathered that if you have seen
the social post that just went out about thirty five
forty seconds ago. And or because I kept saying we,
and the reason I keep and kept saying we is
because I am not alone on this episode. I brought
this person on to kind of set the table in
a multitude of ways for this off season, and now
that the table has started to get certain things placed

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upon it and or removed, thought it made sense to
bring this person back and continue on this journey together.
I am joined once again by mister Kendall. Mursky Kendall,
this is not your first time here. It's night your
first rodeo. I appreciate you. You're fantastic, welcome to show.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Thanks man. Yeah, happy to be back. I completely agree
with that intro of like it's really good timing to
get me back because we just talked about like targets and.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
He said the unaging one, the one, the only Kendle
I ag.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
I hope that stays star. But yeah, you know, we
talked like what a month and a half or so ago,
like what do we want to see in the draft?
What do we want to see in free agency? And
I think naturally we all kind of start talking about
the draft, but you know, free agency happens first in
the NFL.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
I made a note like in my head already, I
was like, I wonder how easily this conversation tonight pivots
and we just talk about draft prospects.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
I mean, it's gonna happen. It's natural. Like I admittedly
haven't done a lot of scouting, but like you still
because the compine is still so fresh, like what the
combine was like a week and a half ago, Like
the combine is so fresh for us, so a lot
of these guys are still top of mind. But we

(04:58):
gotta get through free agency. For honestly, all these people
who've been doing like mock drafts and stuff through the
last month or so, it means nothing because free agency
sets the table, and especially for this regime, like we've
seen a year over year with Brandon Bean, Like, free
agency gives us so many answers for what they're trying

(05:19):
to do in the draft because they they really don't
enter the off season with this glaring need. I think
the only year they did that was the Kayer Elam Draft,
and I don't know if they want to do that
the same way. So, like, I think it's gonna be
a similar off season where we see them. Yeah, sure

(05:41):
we have a few needs here or there, but we're
going to do our best to you know, plug holes here,
plug holes there, whether it's a big signing, whether it's
a bargain been signing. I mean, I think we've probably
seen the two biggest signings of their free agent class
so far. I'd be shocked if we see anything bigger.

(06:02):
But yeah, it really gives us more answers into what's
gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
In the draft. Absolutely, And I like your point thereo.
You know how every off season just feel aside from
which you know, you and I were live when that happened,
Aside from the von Miller signing, Yeah, and that like
eight point fifty one on a back when this show
was on a Wednesday. Oh was now not a fifty one.

(06:29):
I was going on Wednesdays at seven before Greg and Aaron.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
So yeah, I was gonna say it was kind of early.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, So it happened at like six fifty one or
six forty nine, and we were chopping it up in
the green room, like going over stuff, and then all
of a sudden the news came through. We had to
pivot and scramble and all that stuff. But aside from yeah,
we were just ready to talk about like Daikon Jones
and I forget.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, yeah, we were just.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Ready to talk about Daikon Jones and what's his face?
Oh j Howard and then oh my god, you exactly
pivot von Miller. But aside from that one time, every
off season is really kind of just gone accord for
the Bills, and this is a good year after year
and again even when we talked about it just kind
of set the table for the off season this year.

(07:13):
This may be a team year in a year out,
that doesn't necessarily have a ton of like top tier
guys or blue chip s tier a tier type of talent,
but year in and year out, they are a pretty
thorough roster. They're pretty frostered, and they, like you said,
they don't really have a lot of glaring holes. So
most off seasons kind of go for the same type
of pattern, which is, we have some needs that are

(07:35):
more upgrades than they are needs and or holes, but
we have a lot of money to do it. So
the first couple of weeks are like, let's figure out
how to get creative monetarily, and then we'll sign couple
value guys, maybe make one splash, but really just kind
of fill the holes and then go best player available
in the draft based on the positions of needs, so
on and so forth. I feel like this offseason, as

(07:56):
you alluded to, is kind of another one that's falling
in line or locks step with these previous off seasons,
which is why I never I never expect like, oh, man,
they're gonna go out, I mean they're gonna go out
and get t Higgins, Like oh, they're gonna sign Javon
Holland Actually Javad really signed for too crazy of a
deal like yeah, signed Jovon Holland or Justin Reid like

(08:17):
if they wanted to. But usual, a lot of deals
are like, Okay, they're going to sign multiple guys anywhere
between like eight and twelve million AAV maybe two, maybe
three guys, depending on how much money they have, bring
some of their guys back. See where the chips fall
going forward, and it kind of I think again, this
free agency start has continued to fall in line in
that way.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
I gotta tell you all the extensions that we saw,
Like what the two three days before free agent, Well,
I guess the negotiating period started.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
That Sunday in general, not only for once it hit
like five o'clock on Sunday, everybody extens extensions, extensions, but.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
For the bills specifically, Like they signed those guys into
me what was it, Bernard shakir Rousseau Allen, I was thinking,
they're trying to make money for something. It's very clear
that they're trying to clean up the twenty twenty five
books to make space for something.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
And they want to bring Digs back.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
No, I'm just kidding, Like obviously, I think a lot
of the fan base is thinking like oh, Miles Garrett
and like stuff like that, and and then obviously the
whole thing with the Browns happened, and they're just holding
him captive, I guess for record setting money holding him captive.
But either way, like it just felt like something could happen,
like a von Miller type of splash could have happened,

(09:42):
but they're still playing it smart. Like obviously how it
played out, you still get two guys. And we'll get
into it with Michael Hoyt and Josh Palmer, Like those
aren't bargain been guys. Yeah, sure they're. They're probably more
on the value side than they are the splash side,
but like they'll play more significant roles than what we've

(10:03):
seen in the past with like Bill's free agent signings.
I think I think this these two specifically, and I
don't want to liken it to these guys specifically in
their output to the Buffalo Bills, but it kind of
reminds me of the spending in the first off season
where they got Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer, where like

(10:25):
these guys aren't completely bargain bin. I mean, maybe Poyer
was at the time, but Micah Hyde wasn't, Like completely
bargain bin.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
He was VAL's sweet he was he was more of
a slot and a punt returner than he was a
true safety. But he was a name and he had
made a lot of big plays recreation. He was.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
He was in name, but for Green Bay specifically, like
he entered that free agent period kind of as a
budding role player. No one necessarily saw him as like
a set it forget its starter, And I think that's
kind of what the Bills are trying to do this
offseason with these two signings, signed to guys that play
a role, pretty significant roles, albeit for their teams. Yeah,

(11:04):
and see if they can bud into something more in Buffalo,
because that's always been the culture. You know, be the
best version of yourself when you get here. So I
like the value, and obviously we'll get into each one specifically,
but I like how they attacked it, considering it might
not have been their plan, a like they could have
been making all that money or moving all that money

(11:27):
around with the extensions for something more splashy. But I
still like, I still like what this potential pivot was.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, and everything is always within the landscape of how
much money they have to spend like that. Like even
my free agency list this year, the target list that
I come out with every year is more it's not
necessarily predictive, although Michael Hoyt was on it. It's more
what I want them to do, like the direction I'd

(11:58):
like for them to go in. My top guy was
DJ Jones. My second guy is Dante Fowler. I would
still like Dante Fowler, but those are like, okay, the
realistic type of splashes. They could make guys that I think, okay,
like based on the AAV but then you get what
the market is getting you giving you like I thought,
and DJ Jones actually I think he got a little
more than this, but like for what Palmer signed, like

(12:22):
that's what I thought DJ Jones would go for. And
then you see wide receiver market and it's like, well,
that's what two two at Well got, and that's what
Dianmi Brown got, and it's like, you want a receiver, okay,
this is what you gotta pay.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Okay, and he's twenty five, so it's like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
And that's also part of it. And so it's like, okay,
you don't have to pay that, But then you're sitting
on the sidelines and you're not getting anybody or you
have to, you know, pivot.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
You know.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
I saw with DeMarcus Robinson went for he was eighth
on my list. He I think he just signed a
two year, nine point five million dollar deal. Yeah they
haven't right before we went live. Uh then two years
nine point five mil with the Niners six mil guaranteed.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
I liked him a lot.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
I would have signed him for that deal, but you
got to put all of it in a pot. And
it's okay, the skill set, it's the need, and I
feel like we just as a fan base, I think
a lot of it is always like actually in the
comments here have been really tempered, which I think is nice,
but a lot of and I shouldn't go off of Twitter,
especially now with how awful it is in a multitude

(13:18):
of ways. But there's just so much like this sucks,
another wasted off season, another this, and it's like they
don't have like they don't have the Patriots money, They're
not going to like Carlton like and then and even
the Pats kind of overpaid a little, which they kind
of had to, but.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
That's free agency. Like if you have the money and
free agency, you over pay it's just what happens.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
And if you need guys and teams know you need guys,
they go out, they chase the money, you know, so
on and so forth. But I I really do think
this offseason has kind.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Of gone to plan. And also.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
There are certain free agents that I would always like
to spend more money on because of the known quant
As much as we love the draft, every draft draft
man twelve minutes, fifty four seconds, first flour, I was
doing so well, was doing so well? Shut up, kendall,
the draft, as much as we love it is such
an inexact science. We talk about it all the time.

(14:14):
Even the most surefire prospect is not a surefire prospect.
So I do prefer known quantity.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
To a certain point for sure.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
But what you get with the draft is a little
bit of Again, there's more risk to it, but the
reward is good players plus cost control for term in
a certain amount of years. And I think there's something
to be said for properly building your team through the
draft and using free agency to supplement your needs or
kind of masks things a little bit. I shouldn't say

(14:40):
mask supplement, and the auxiliary pieceage should come from free
agency and I don't think this is the Bills team
that really, unless they fall off the face of the earth,
which I doubt they will, And even if they did,
you still got Josh Allen's contract, which also puts you
in that boat of doing this dance kind of year
after year of auxiliary supplemental guys in free agency, maybe

(15:03):
one big splash here or there. And then I also
wonder too the von Miller deal, which I say this
as a person who advocated for him being cut this offseason, well,
I advocated. I wanted being to go to him and
it'd be like, hey, you can stay, but you have
to take this team friendly pay cut, as team friendly

(15:23):
as we want to make it. You gotta take it,
or we're gonna release you. I don't know if being
presented in that or not, but I advocated for that move.
I was completely fine with it. I think that von
Miller signing was a win because well, at the end
it wasn't, but initially it was. He was as advertised,
he was the closer, He was that guy. He was

(15:44):
great off the edge, he was hugely impactful. Went down.
Obviously we know what happened for there. Now the people
that come in and They're like, well, well, we shouldn't
have paid that money for a guy that old.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Of course he was gonna wear down.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
He didn't wear down. Yeah, he tore his acl on
a bad feel that like tons of other younger guys
have done as well. So that move was very much
a win before he went down.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
It's like the Texans with digs. It's like very that
was a win for them, absolutely until he got injured.
That's it's not fair to judge it that way.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
No, and he went down, and then man, he went down,
Dell went down, Nico went down. They just not And
then they traded tunsl which is absolutely wild things and
Kenyan Green, Oh they trade Green?

Speaker 1 (16:21):
I did not see that. Who do they trade Green to?
He's on the Eagles now, so get ready for him
to be.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
A Pro Bowl. I was gonna say, so he's gonna
be an All Pro at the end of the year.
I mean they expecting bro Yeah, I would say Stoutland.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Just is No, that's a smart trade, smart trade for
the Eagles.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
That's fair. I wonder with the Vaughan signing, considering how
it ended up, because you can make a case either way.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
I wonder if that.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Makes them feel more, let's not go down that roads
about the splashy, I was trying to find the right
word I was initially think came in my mind was prohibitive,
and I was like, that's not the right word at all.
It works. Does it make them feel a little more
gun shy or a little more skittish about doing that
kind of deal again, because being even said it as
much right, Like, I remember when they signed him, it

(17:07):
was all this conversation about, like, you know, it's not
just about this year setting yourself up for the future
and having the right money and the right players. Got
he outus on it, so for all the things that
we know. But I wonder if that deal, considering how
it ended up, but also how it started and the
legitimate bad luck that happened in it, I wonder if
that also pushes them further from not wanting to do

(17:28):
a deal like that, or do they see it as no,
that was a win, we just got, you know, unfortunately
we got some bad luck. But also even within that,
you still put a good chunk of eggs in one basket,
and if that basket breaks, so like, I also wonder
if that kind of furthers their operating style or their
mo year after year, and I wonder if we will
ever get close to those kind of splashes again.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah. To me, going into this offseason, it kind of
always felt like if they were going to do a
big splash, it was going to be the trade. It
was never going to be a big splash through free
agency like a Milton Williams. It didn't. It just didn't
feel like that. It felt like they didn't want to
compete with the market. They wanted to compete with just
like getting a deal done and working on compensation with

(18:13):
that other trade partner, and then from there you just
negotiate in a silo with that player. What do you
want to stay as a Bill? Why something happened?

Speaker 3 (18:24):
I think the Bills just signed Joey Posa do yo.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
We got the wildest luck. Hold on, let me let
me see no way, that's that's funny considering we're talking
about Von Miller chat. One guy said it, hold on
confirm what? Oh man, I just want to go watch
tape stream is over? Hold on? Where is that?

Speaker 2 (18:49):
What?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
What? What's the irony of us having that conversation? This
is crazy?

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Well, you toss million dollar deal, I would say, Matthew oh,
Matthew break and Matthew came in clutch. Here matthe is
breaking dude's twelve point six million Joey Bosa. This is so,
this is like the fun peak behind the curtain for
all everybody in the chat. Now, I got to change
the episode graphic and like you're gonna Joe earlier, Joe said,

(19:18):
of course this happens right after my apps.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Hey, but at least at least he got the other
guys like, I mean, well, we'll just be giving reaction now.
I mean, Josh Palmer and Hooy are almost old news now,
so at least they got covered.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
And we'll talk about some stuff because I'm going to
change this episode graphic.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
All right, you do that. I'm gonna poetically about Joey Bosa. No,
this is interesting too because I think this officially closes
the door on the von Miller return on the cheap
because I know, Mill.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Thank you for the super chat, Chason for being here
every week.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, I am.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
I'm very happy about this. I'm extremely stressed right now
because I got to change the time. It'll change the graphic.
There's a lot happening right now. Yeah, I was gonna
say and Pete said, you two should do this more often.
This is the second time this has happened to us.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
This is wild. We gotta do this every offseason or
every free agent negotiating period. Week of like that first
week the negotiating period, like every this is this is
the money time. There's also injury concerns about Bosa, but
you know, for sure, for sure, I got a man.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
I just I mean spots track just to see like
what he pep behind the curtain for those folks, right.
I created this episode at like eight something because I
was waiting to make sure no news would happen so
I can have an updated graphic that I was creating.
And I was like, none's gonna come through.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Hmmm, well here's here's what I'll say. Yeah, I was.
I was getting on this idea of, like, I know,
news has broken about von Miller being open to a
return at a at a lower cost. He just wanted
to see the market and stuff like that. And I
think the Bills were definitely in the market for so
one who's more strictly a pass rusher only because I mean,

(21:05):
Hoyt's great, but his upside isn't as a pass rusher.
His upside is as a run stopper, having versatility, and
he can grow as a pass rusher. He's a solid
pass rusher, but it's more room for growth than it
is like the foundation on which he was signed. He

(21:25):
was signed as a run stopping, pocket pusher with a
lot of effort and strength and active hands. I like him,
but this is a really good compliment to him and
a good compliment to the edge group that the Bills have.
I mean, honestly, at twelve million, like I'm trying to

(21:45):
look at this right now, you like, it's a very
smart thing for the Bills to do, just of money,
just talking value. His average for his last contract was
twenty million. His average before that contract was twenty seven million,
so this is well below his average. We know he's

(22:06):
quote unquote like a broken player who's mending. You know,
he's had his injuries in the past, had troubles staying
on the field, but we know what he is when
he's healthy. He's yet to turn thirty. I mean, it's
gonna happen before the uh, the next season starts, but
I mean a one year deal for a guy that's
thirty years old, upside.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Thirty, he's the older. I always confused both him and
Nick in terms which first.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
But hey, I mean Nick Posa's what five days ago
was the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Oh, that's right, you know?

Speaker 1 (22:43):
So this is this is a really good value play
for what he is. The question is how close can
he get to his prime self? Because I mean at
thirty years old, like he still should have gas in
the tank. It's just how much have injuries high up
an impact? Yes, And so that's the thing right as
I I am.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Going to update this graphic for all you folks, but
I also want to engage in this conversation. I don't know,
I'm very much like Ricky Bobby right now, like I
don't know what to do with my hands, Like there's
so much happening right now. My thought with this is actually,
I'm also going to change why not why not? Why Not,
which also changed the banner for new people coming in?
Joy man, what are the odds for you?

Speaker 1 (23:25):
And I again, no, that's crazy? Uh, what's the what's
the deal? One year? Twelve point six on? Here and
see if there's more details.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
So here here's my thought on it. Right, and I
I've watched various the Chargers defense. Actually I watched a
decent chunk of Chargers defense this year because they did
some fun stuff. And then what's its fate? The two
rookie corners, Cam Hart and other dude's name who I
always mispronounced number twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
The right, I know who you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
But I have like the best like Epa per target
in the league. It was like wild but Khalil Mack
is sweet and Punaford is sweet, and I like Dyone
Henley and so I was watching Chargers here and there
like and I've watched him throughout the years a little bit.
Whenever Bosa has been on the field, he's been productive
and he's a hard good rush like the one thing

(24:20):
I remember, like if we're going off of it. The
two things that stick in my mind from a negative
standpoint for him are the injuries, where it seems every
year he's banged up. And then two I think of
him wilding out in a bad way as the Chargers
melted down against the Jags. I believe he had just
come back from injury again, and so the one year deal.

(24:42):
As you know, a lot of people are saying in
the comments, I'm a fan of the one year deal
because for me, it's very low risk, potentially high reward.
If he stays healthy and produces when he's on the field,
he's sweet. If he's not, it's a one year deal,
you really haven't pot committed yourself.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
And also my thought would be.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
So I mentioned earlier, I wanted Dante Fowler right the
what the what? Two blubs almost at the exact same time,
twelve minutes apart. The thought process that has been going
through my mind this year of what I wanted off
the edge was, and the verbiage that I've used is
I wanted a mercenary off the edge. I wanted an assassin.
I wanted to proven, known commodity. Similar when they signed

(25:22):
Leonard Floyd, Right, I was in favor of that again,
like I would, you know, it's cool to have a
younger guy with some upside, or even if they drafted
somebody early, if they got Donovan Azraku from Boston College,
who I love them, like, oh, that'd be sweet, but
still like it's not known.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
I wanted to proven dude.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Who can go out and get you those kills? Right,
and Fouler can the thousand percent do that? Bosa I
think can also do that. But now with Groot, Apanessa
and Michael Hoyt, you've got three very good run defending
edge setting run defenders. And you know, I know people
don't want bro Jason nailed me. Jason says, Aunt wants

(26:03):
to look at films so bad right now. He's literally shaken.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
You have no idea. I'm like, I'm the.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Same, and so we've also been getting dinged on our
film videos. Part of me wants to just pull up
film right now, and we just watched Cape on Joey's bore,
but it's been messing things up and then that screws
with the algorithm. Ye oh, you have no idea.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Jason knows me so well. I'm oh so in today,
but yeah, I know what I'm doing when we stop.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Right as soon as we might just stay in the
stream being like, let's watch tape so.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Bosa.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
What's interesting is again parent it with who you have
at the top three. And as much as Epanessa hasn't
grown into the player that fans want right like he
was a second round pick, technically he was the first
pick that year because that was the digs here, I
understand the qualms with you know, he's more of a
rotational edge three. You know, he was a good pass
rusher and now he's more of a good run defender,

(26:53):
so on and so forth. I do think he provides value,
but now again Epanessa more so, Groot is an elite
run defender. But what I like about this move is,
now you've got Grut who's an elite run defender. You've
got a Fanessa who is also grown into a good
run defender. You've got Michael Hoyt, who is a terror

(27:14):
off the edge from a physicality and violence standpoint, which
we will talk about at some point or maybe. And
then you've got Joey Bosa, who now can just be hey, man,
like you've had some injury concerns, Cool, wait till you
get into known passing down in distance and just go.
And then now you and I haven't had this conversation
in text, and I believe on the show, Groot as

(27:38):
a pass rusher is very much more of a Robin
than he is a batman. He is a legitimate edge one.
As a run defender. He's one of the best run
defending defensive linemen in all of football, whether it's metrics,
whether it's tape. He is a force multiplier as a
run defender, right, but he needs the Batman to go

(27:59):
to Robin as a pass rusher. So what the Bills
could do You could either go and get a true
edge one as a pass rusher, or you could just
get more Robins, which I was also not opposed to.
If you want to have three edge two's, I'm down
for that. If you want to have a whole bunch
of B pluses or b's instead of one A minus
or A plus, I'm down for that. Like I'm okay.
But now you've got Bosa, and I like this move

(28:22):
from the perspective of he's had some injury concerns. You're
not gonna have to use him on early downs a
ton because you've got group, You've got Hoyt and Hoyt again,
we're gonna get into it. Hoyt is sweet, like I
legitimately like my yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Was pleasantly surprised. Today was the first day that I
watched tape on him. Nice, he's got really good tape.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Like I said in the film room last week, I
told it to you in text, Hoyt is the just
the guy who shows up on tape when you're watching
for someone else, like for those who watch the show regularly,
folks would know, I would hope. I love Kobe Turner
coming out a couple of years ago. I love Cam
Kitchens Safety out of Miami coming out last year. Both

(29:03):
those guys are on the RAMS, so I would check
in with the Rams from time to time. And then
Jared Verse was just having this banger of a season,
so I was like, I'm gonna watch what the Rams
are doing. And ninety seven Michael Hoyt just kept flashing,
but he was always flashing in weird ways, like he'd
flash off the edge in a five man surface like
he'd be in a wide nine. Yeah, and then he'd
flash off the edge in a four man as like
a five or a seven. And then he'd like flash

(29:27):
in the a gap or from the gap ball or
in coverage, And I was like, what, what does what
does this guy play? And so I just kept noticing him,
taking notes on him and watching him throughout the year,
and he's he's a legitimate piece physical violent. I'm just
gonna even read some of my like just the size
and combo, yeah, six or four or roughly three hundred

(29:47):
and ten pounds. He could play off the edge, he
can rush from an off ball standpoint, he's good as
a spiker, is he He's actually.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Three hundred and ten pounds. I don't understand the FF.
I don't think so, but I could also buy it.
I have to see are on Pro Football Reference he's
to sixty seven.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Okay, so then PFF is a lie.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Maybe yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Those are wild differences though, But then what he can
do off the edge in the A gap, he can
rush guards, he can rush centers like he will go
through you, he'll go around to you. He's got good
hand usage. He's just I described him as you know, dirt,
sand paper and violence, and that's what I love. And
you put him on again, him, Groot and Evanessa, you

(30:29):
have a solid three man rotation.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Well, everyone's complimenting each other, like i'd say.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
But now like if you have Bosa on the field less, yeah,
and you just let that he's again not to use
the von Miller trum nuns, but it's more of like
a closer in baseball, Like you just let that dude
sit in the cage back there, and like yoh, it's
the eighth you're ready to come out and the eighth
inning is just every third down for the Bills. So
now you get a dude who gets to stay fresh,

(30:55):
who's impactful. But also if you're on the field less
odds are you probably ideally have less of a chance
to get injured.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
But then how it pairs with the top three really
really really like it. Yeah, I love that. I think
the whole group makes a lot more sense when you
have that, like true pass rusher. And that was the
fear when you get rid of von Miller's like, oh
do we need to go draft one? And like you said,
just like the unknown commodity of it all, trying to

(31:25):
get a true pass rusher who's only gonna play on
third downs as a rookie, Like it's kind of slow
to develop, Like this is really ideal for the group. Yeah,
I was gonna tell you the up to fifteen points.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
I appreciate everyone that I am so like, I want
to watch tape, I want to talk about it with you.
I need to change the graphic, I need to do
so many things. I'm I'm this is the second time
this has happened.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
To us in three years or whatever, Like wow, yeah,
that's absolutely wild. It's crazy. But yeah, I love this.
It makes no it makes it just, it makes a
lot of sense. It complements the group, it it frees
you up in the draft. You don't feel like you
need to go EDGE early. I mean we got two
in free agency. You don't. You don't feel like you
need to go honestly, unless it's like a Javon Solomon

(32:10):
type pick. So and we him.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Exactly like you also have now. At this point, edge
was obviously a big need. I thought defensive tackle, CB
and EDGE were the top three and it wasn't close.
And I only put defensive tackle and CB ahead because
I think you need actually a starting defensive tackle. I
think Daikwon needs to be more of a three. And
even if you don't need, you'll need another. I also

(32:37):
wouldn't mind putting someone ahead of Dwayne Carter just because
I don't believe in him a ton but whatever. But
you need a defensive tackle one probably two.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
You needed an EDGE.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
You literally need a starting CB, like that's what it is.
But now I think you're good at edge. You've got Grout,
you've got Hoyt, you've got at Vanessa, you've got Bosa,
and then you sit there with Javon Solomon who flashed
really well last year. Now, and also we've had this
conversation offline as well. We talk about the basketball lineup
at wide receiver. Now you have the basketball lineup at edge. Yeah,

(33:10):
look what group can do. Look what Eppanessa can do,
what Bosa can do, what Hoy can do. And then
you've got Solomon who's this smaller but long arm, big
hand moves based pass rush specialist who's got some bend
in athleticism.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Does he develop in your two Let's see does he not?
We have a really good, solid top four and you
go from there. I honestly think Edge is good now.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
No, I feel the same way like the way I
see the EDGE group in terms of the basketball analogies.
You have the sides of the spectrum here. You want
to get that first le say hey, real quicker appreciation you.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Thank you for being here, Justin. I love how you
know the rhythm of the show. Kendall, you're the best.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Thank you for being here, Justin. Thank you for the
super chat.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
And Justin's question, Kennell, you can answer this first he says,
does the Bosa addition mean defensive tackle, corner, wide receiver?
First three? Picks.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Can I think I think they like the safety I
honestly think they like the safety class, like this was
one of the fastest safety classes we've seen in some years.
I mean, forty is in everything, but that is statistically true.
And then they signed Josh Palmer, like I think we
have to talk about we will eventually talk about. So

(34:18):
I think they're trying to reduce the priority of wide
receiver in the draft, and I think they accomplish that.
That's what they do every year in free agency. Their
free agent picks are are precursors to what they're deprioritizing
in the draft. So I think we can see them
deprioritize edge and deprioritize wide receiver. Might they take a

(34:40):
swing at both those positions late, sure, but I think
first three picks, I think it'll be some sort of
permutation of defensive tackle, cornerback, and safety at this point.
So I.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
I said it even before, Actually I said it offline
to you. Actually have said it on social too. My
dream pick right now now for the Buffalo Bills is
Mississippi corner Trey Amos size the comfortability and press.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
He answer, good question.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
My biggest you know, my biggest question was because he
wouldn't he wasn't getting blown by or having guys run
past him. But I had questions about his long speed.
But he's also a very smooth strider. So I literally
have in my notes smooth strider or questionable long speed
and then question mark. But he ran in the low
four fours, so I'm good there. Yep, he's got the

(35:30):
He's just consistently in phase because of the combination of
length and footwork that he has. And if I want
guys who can constrict and restrict airspace, and that's what
he is. Because of his comfortability and press. Mississippi plays
a bunch of NFL coverages. He's comfortable in match zone,
man off press, all of those mixed together and whatever

(35:50):
amalgamation and form right now, if I'm betting, I not betting.
I think you need a corner in round one because
the defensive tackle class is.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Deeper in round that's a fair point free.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Man, you could I there's there's gonna be a good
corner there at the end of round one. I don't
think it's gonna be John A. Barron. I think it
would be someone more like Amos or Maxwell Harston. That
just came up into the chat and then.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Also throw it out there too. If Malachi Starks falls
to thirty, That's what I'm thinking, Like, That's kind of
where I'm at right now. It's like if if like
Walter Nolan, Malachi Starks and see Nolan to me, because
of the redundancy with ED one hundred would take a

(36:37):
free agent signing, it would take here here. How about
hear me out here. There's so many things to talk.
I am overwhelmed. They sign Roy Lopez, bro't and then
they did. Hold on, let me set the table. They
sign they sign Roy Lopez, Okay, and then you're at
pick thirty and you have on the board Harriston Amos, Yeah,

(37:00):
Nolan Starks?

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yeah, why would you do this to me? This is
I'm overwhelmed again. This is so Yeah, you can make
a case for any of them and there's no you.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Can make a case for absolutely any of them and
you're not making a wrong Well obviously you know four
years from now there's a wrong decision.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
But like they're they're all all those guys are just
super busts.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
They they all sound very enticing, Like I didn't even
think about Harrison so much, like his size kind of
concerns me a little bit. But I was also in
on the idea of getting someone who's a little bit
different from Benford, and that does intrigue me. M that's fair, right, Like, yeah,
they do kind of compliment each other in a sense.
Oh and and you're talking about Harston right, Sorry, yeah,

(37:44):
Maxwell Harrison.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
He so his speed is so real and even when
like he'll get fooled and he'll get beat, he'll get
turned inside out and then he's just got recovery speed
or it's like, no, it doesn't matter, I can run
this down. I'm fine. Questionable tackling. His angles are bad
and he's tackling is just not great.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
But again, it looks like an over aggressive style of
player because he trusts his athleticism.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Fair, which is also understandable, But I don't mind that combo.
Like so for right now, for me, I think they're
going defensive tackle or corner in round one, or I
don't know, maybe Matthew Golden falls and they really like
Matthew Golden. I wouldn't rule out safety. I think at
this point I'm not ruling out safety. No, I think
the first pick is going to be between a defensive
tackle of corner or safety. We're getting mad super chats,

(38:31):
so I got to pull this up as we go through. Yeah,
just the Tippy ca Neho says. My jersey number would
have a decibel maybe three point one four. I'd get
a sack and I'd do an eating celebration.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
That's fair. Where else, Carl, where are you?

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Carl?

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Thank you for being here as always, Carl, Oh, thank
you for being here. Just the Tippy Canoe one of
my favorite names.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Just gets me every time.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Carl, thank you for being here. You have a good
name as well. Appreciate the super chat, Carl says. Joey
Posta had a lot of injuries in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Oh, this is all.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
This sounds like a team injury report. A broken hand,
hip injury, glut strain, sciatic nerve pain. Is he now
fully healthy? Question mark? Question mark, availability, question marks. I
was saying, that's I.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Mean, that's the reason we got him for twelve million,
and he's incentively if he's held to fifteen.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
And this isn't a homer take, and this is a
big if. If Joey bos is healthy, he's one of
the best pass rushing edges in all the football he's
a top ten. Yeah, yeah he's but the question is, yeah,
he is he healthy?

Speaker 1 (39:30):
I was just looking at it. He's played out of
his nine seasons, he's played two full seasons.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
And they're always twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
One could have been like a we don't need you
to play week eighteen, but still that's fair.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
But within those let's see, yeah, like twenty twenty two
down year majority. And it's not only like doesn't he
get banged up, like he gets like destroyed with an injury.
It's not like, oh, man, like he sprained his wrist
and he's out for two weeks. It's like he broke
his hand, he creates a muscle and balance somewhere else

(40:04):
and then he's out for So that's the one that
always gets me. Like bone stuff is not I don't
say bad luck, but like if you broke your hand
or you broke like your your ankle or something. Obviously
certain bones breaking are a bigger problem than others. It's
the soft muscle stuff that gets me. So if you've
got like if it's joint joint and muscles, those worrying
me more than anything because those exactly like those can

(40:26):
tend those tend to be reoccurring. They tie to other
pieces and do other things. Those ones worrying me more
than like just the bones. But yeah, he has a
hit list literally of injuries. We have another super chat
from mister j Blonde twenty twelve. Thank you very much
for being here. Thank you for the super chat. Ooh,
little somewhat off topic here he says, do the Bills
trade Cook for a pick and give more time to

(40:48):
ty Johnson and Davis? Fifteen million year is too much
for a running back that can't block. What are your
thoughts on on on James Cook.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
The James Cook thing is so tough because I mean Saquon,
that new Saquon contract made it.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
But like I know what Cook is asking for, whether
it's the Bills or someone else. No one's giving James
Cook that much money. Well until he he can be
a three down back.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
That's That's the thing. Like it's hard to give someone.
And I guess Alvin Kamara's like he's probably the piece
his agent should hang on to the most. But like
I don't know, Cook isn't on the field enough and
he doesn't impact the game from every phase enough to
get that fold.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Which is also annoying because he has so much receiving value.
But yeah, he does, like that's where third downs come in.
But also, if you're a liability in pass pro, then
you're not gonna be.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Yeah, it becomes problematic. I almost feel like the Bills
are playing the long game, like almost reverse Bengals, where
they're like, if we do another year because we know
we can go another year without extending him, and then
we just don't give him all the touchdowns that he got.
What's he gonna have to bargain with or negotiate with.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Which also would bother me a little, Like I think
touchdowns is such a it's a stupid thing for agents
to pitch. It's anything when someone's like, man, this running
back's great, he had this many touchdowns, Like damn not
measuring value with that. But to your point, it could
be something.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
The Bills can control touchdowns more than James Cook can
control touchdowns, like it comes from a play call, Like
let's call it what it is. So I mean, it's
like you don't give Raheem Moster a ton of money
because of what he did in twenty twenty three, tying
Christian McCaffrey for what was it, twenty one scrimmage touchdowns?

(42:39):
Like that was a byproduct of the team getting stopped
on the one and the next play call, like it's
just part of it. Like, I don't know, touchdowns. I
agree it's a stupid thing to negotiate with, but I
think the Bills have the power. If that's the negotiating
chip that his agent is playing. Is like, look where
I was on the touchdown leaderboard running backs. It's like, well,

(43:01):
we can wait another year. There's no reason for us
to do this right now.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah, So I am.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
My stance on it is I'm fine either way if
you want to tell me, you know, hey, we're gonna
use Cook as is this year, and then you know,
happy trails. If you're not going to sign something we like, buy,
okay whatever. The only way I'm trading him is if
I get a Day two pick back, which I think
would be a little tough. So like I I'd have
to trade Cook and get at worse, like a round
three pick somewhere. Oh yeah, my other two he was

(43:29):
a second round pick, absolutely, and so my issue with
that is I also so one I would want that too.
I don't know. If they're gonna get it three. I
don't like creating a hole that you then have to fill.
And as much as I like Ray Davis and Ty Johnson,
James Cook's speed makes a difference. So now this is
it's not necessarily like for like, But if you could
tell me, right, if you could guarantee me the Bills

(43:52):
could trade James Cook and replace him with Travon Henderson,
I would take that sure. But that like, it's got
to be literally like you're creating a hole that you
then have to fill. And I like Ray Davis, I
like Ty Johnson. They need someone with James Cook's type
of electricity and juice. But Bill's O line is very good. Yeah,
their run game, their run structure, their run layering, and

(44:14):
play calling and sequencing is also very good. There was
a good chunk of runs where James Cook played above
the scheme and made things work that were not there,
even just off of the duo runs where he bounces
and then he had the physicality to beat a corner
or the speed or to beat a corner that goes
a long way for a concept that isligned to make

(44:35):
that corner be the unblocked guy. And then how he's
improved his vision and gap scheme and his pacing and timing,
so it would have to be developed. So well, yes,
absolutely so, like I don't mind trading him, but it
creates a hole that you then I mean to create.
But I'm not getting anywhere near paying him what he
thinks he wants.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
To your point, it sounds like the most comfortable you
would be is almost a draft that in trade for
a twenty twenty six third rounder. Yeah, which is like,
that's a tough formula to hit.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
That was absolutely like, and it's almost like it's a
moving target of like of what you're trying to hit.
And I don't not that it's like impossible to hit,
but it's just a dangerous game you play a little bit.
I just DMD you a thing that I'm using for myself.
So if you see a message on Twitter, you feel
free to ignore it. But yeah, that's I like this

(45:29):
comment here from Pete who says Bosa is healthy enough
to sign with the team and unhealthy enough to be
available for one year twelve point six. Well, this is
you know again, I keep saying this phrase. You and
I talked about what I'm about to say. Paulson Adebo. Yeah,
we talked about him in the corner. We were like,
is the broken femur enough to make this contract? It

(45:49):
wasn't because the Giants paid him. It wasn't Heerman money.
But would the broken femur be enough that this had
to be approve it deal and he would cash in
next year. That's where Bosa is. If Bosa can prove
that he's healthy again, he's what thirty years old, thirty?

Speaker 1 (46:02):
He'll be thirty at the start of the season.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Ghost will be thirty. If he can stay healthy and
produce on a super Bowl caliber team, then next year
maybe he signs more of two year thirty six, two
year thirty two year more if he can get back
to just there isn't even getting back. He just has
to stay healthy.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Like again he is.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
I'm about to look up his stats in a minute
and stuff. Now that I finally finished freaking graphic. Man,
I'm scrambling right now. This is wild. There's and the
odds of this happening to you and I again, it's
just nuts. But yeah, that I think this is spot
on from Pete. He's healthy enough to sign with the
team and unhealthy enough to be available for that one
year kind of prove it type of deal.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, no, I agree with that that that's that's really
the bottom line with the Joey Bosa thing. But I
love it. It's it's exactly the type of value that
they strike year after year. And you said it like
this is this is the area of free agency that
Brandon Bean is just he's getting expertise in because that's
where the roster is. There's enough core pieces on the

(47:04):
roster that they've had to pay for the last six years,
and those people are changing. It's a revolving door, but
there are enough core players that are on the books
where you can't take splashes every year. You might be
able to make one splash every three or four years.
So making these signings is exactly how the Bills have

(47:26):
to play free agency. And yes, it's like there's a
lot of questions and I'm sure there's a lot of
people who don't exactly know how to feel because they
know the name Joey Bosa, but they don't know what
he's gonna be. And there's a reason he was available,
and like Pete said, there's a reason that he was
twelve point six.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
So r J says, I can't remember did the Von
Miller news break during Ant and Kendall show. Yeah, it
was we went live on disguise Corverace before we went live.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
It went.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
It broke at the show. We went live at seven
pm on the Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
It broke. The news went live.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
At like six forty nine, six fifty ten or eleven
minutes before we went live.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Yeah, and that's all, Kendall. Let's pull up some.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Let's pull up some stuff on even John Joey Bosa
even this past year while having it heard it Man
thirty four pressures, seventeen stops. I'm just gonna go through
and find Man those those years though O twenty nineteen
to twenty twenty one, so three seasons where he managed

(48:29):
to stay decently healthy. Seventy two pressures, sixty one pressures,
sixty nine pressures that twenty nineteen. So I'm just gonna
read it like individually by season. Okay, that twenty nineteen
season seventy two pressures, forty nine stops, twenty twenty sixty

(48:50):
one pressures, thirty one stops, twenty twenty one, sixty nine
pressures thirty one stops. That's kind of what you're going for,
Like he does play the wrong because of the juice
and the technic count what he can do off the edge,
like he's just no more for his pass versibility. It's
just a matter of if he can stay healthy.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
And the taper is if the Bills are trying to
be precautionary over it, like do they even want him
to play the run with? Who they have to play
the run? Who aren't named Bosa Fair.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
I want to answer this real quick from Claude Claw says,
and I disagree with you on Cook, Hampton, Henderson, Judkins, Etn,
hell Raheem Sanders and Jack Hunter or Jack Hunter could
all reasonably take kickt Roll. It's got to be the
right combination of scheme, skill set and juice. Hampton I like,
but he's more of a straight line runner in addition
to kind of being more of like a thumper. Henderson's
a good blocker and has juice, could.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Do it a bit.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Judkins is a little more thunder than he is. Cook's lightning.
Etn has had injury issues and the style of runner
isn't the same in terms of his pacing as Cook.
But the juice is there, not necessarily like his brother,
but it is there. Rocket Sanders from South Carolina Good
forty time doesn't play like that, is more of a thumper.
He helped me win a national championship with South Carolina

(50:02):
and n C DOUAA football twenty five. I want to
say that like it. So it has to be the
right skill set. It's not just about like how good
the prospect is for me. It's it's the fit of
the skill set with the scheme. But all these guys
are good backs. I wouldn't be opposed as well. Oh
and then also a chosen one, uh n B puts
in Johnson, the kid from Ioaki as well.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Yeah it is on my style.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Yeah he's more thumb, but he's got some decent speed,
but yeah he's more sure. I tell you what I
would do with Kayler Johnson. I put Kyler Johnson in
and I just run duo all day.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
And that's too. But that's the thing. Yeah, it's just
replacing that style of players is tough. He's he's he
is a unique player. But the ideal is getting someone
like Cook who can stay on the field for all
three downs. But then it's like, why did we just
reassign Ty Johnson?

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Yes, yea, and Ty Johnson has crazy productive numbers, like
in those he's a good pass protector, and so I
think that's also to kind of where like the Ray
Davis timeline comes in, because yeah, Charles Damian Martinez, Yeah,
I'm a Miami guy. If you want a pure hammer,
Damian Martinez is in and he ran better than I thought,
but he had pure hammer with Martinez. That's where the

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Ray Davis conversation comes in. Though with a bit of
a better pass protector, built better for pass protection, just
had to get better with his technique and scanning and
being refined that out. I think he could be more
of a true three down back because he's a good receiver,
he's a good runner. He just doesn't afford you the juice.
It's crazy, you know, it's not crazy, but this is
how good of a year that James Cook had. That

(51:31):
in the middle of the Joey Bosa signing, we're talking
about James Cook right now. And I don't say that negatively,
but like he is part of the news.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
I mean, James Cook is.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Is James Cook the second best player on the Bills offense,
including everyone like is he better? Is he a better
running back than Dion Dawkins? As a left hack.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
I was gonna say, it's between the two. Here's the
problem in a silo. Yeah, he's probably a better player,
but he's also probably less important because of the position
he plays. That's fair. That's just the reality. Or I
guess it's not even the reality. It's the business of football.
Like I hate to say it, but it actually has

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nothing to do with his talent. It's like, because all
things are equal, if I'm looking at it and I'm like,
it's too close to call, I'm gonna pick the left tackle.
Like it's just what I'm gonna do. I mean, there's
a reason the Bills take a running back once every
two years. So if they have this problem, there's a
built in, cost controlled backup plan called Ray Davis, called

(52:31):
Zack Moss, called like they do this all the time.
I know no one cares for Zack Moss, but the
point is is, like they take the second running back
before the first rookie deal is up, because it's a
built in contingency for if something like this happens, you
don't have to panic. You can stay and hold your
cards tight and be like, well, sorry, James, we have

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Ray Davis waiting in the wings. We have Ty Johnson
on cost control, like, we have options. The draft happens
every year, and we could replace you with one of
these thirty guys. So it's harder to replace the left tackle.
It's just a lot harder to replace the left hackle.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
It is fair. Yeah, but again, the fact of him
being in that conversation, yeah, no, it boomed for yes,
and especially in a year where you traded Stefan Diggs,
who was your other blue chip offensive guy, and it
was like, okay, and he stepped up bingo, he's like

(53:29):
he he raised his game and took it to another level.
Like and again the physicality, the contact, balanced, the fall forward.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
And addition to the speed and the juice.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Man it Yeah, he stepped up big in a year
where you lost to Fon Diggs and your everybody eats
philosophy on offense was starting to kind of you know,
show some show some wear a little bit after Baltimore
and Houston and then you got Amari Cooper, but he
wasn't the same Amuri Cooper that you thought. Cook was
that guy who was really kind of the home run hitter.

(54:02):
Plus the stabilizing force on that Bill's offense that made
Allen in the offense's life a lot easier again, offensive line,
Aaron Kromer, y gotta YadA, all that kind of stuff, right,
but oh Man, Yeah, Cook had a tremendous year.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Man.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
I love I love the idea of like wanting more.
I love this comment from Paizan. He says, if we
can still pull off a deal for Hendrickson, Man, there's
no one. I don't think that's happening financially.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
But two I don't.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
I really don't. Again, the Bosa health issue is a
legitimate thing, and I want to kind of pull up
if there's a thing that I know there was a site. Yeah,
Ka Moore said, we haven't even talked about Hoyder Palmer yet.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
We'll get there.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
But yeah, the the injury piece and injury concern is
very real for Joey Bosa. But if he's healthy, that's
a significant piece for this for this defense. And in
a rotation with groot Et Panessa and Hoyt and then
Javon Solomon, I do think you're kind of fine at edge. Granted, again,
Bosa's health is a significant thing. If he all of

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a sudden goes down, Javon Solomon, I.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Still think I still think you're fine, Like even with
the health thing, like you have five with Solomon, like
you have five and a pro bowler who has injury concerns,
Like he's gonna be on a pitch count until he
proves that he doesn't have to be.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
That's fair, And again, I just he's not gonna need
to He was he was a three down player with
the charges, and rightfully so him and Matt like they
were sweet. But now you can just he doesn't have
to be. Yes, he's more of a three down player
right now than von Miller was. So I don't think
people need to get worried of like, who's you only
going to see twenty snaps? Is you only going to
see twenty five? But if the game is in hand,

(55:45):
maybe I don't know, but I do think you'll get
more of a significant rotation from him than von Miller.
But I really just like the idea of being like, man,
just drink some water and chill. Oh it's second and
long and third and long. All right, man go out there.
Like yeah, I liked the idea of having Groot and
Hoyt and Epanessa do the dirty work. Yeah, I don't
need him playing first down, I don't know, oh man.

(56:08):
And then on third down, bro, give me groot with
oil on the field. Give me groot and I'll go
do some easy.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Versatile things on third down, crazy things. Everyone's concerned about
the third and long issues from last year. I mean,
between Hoyt and Bosa, you've you've made a lot of
different schematic possibilities. Oh man, Yeah, I like I like
what Charles called it.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
He said the monster truck package.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
I like that a lot.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Yeah, spinn says Bosa's deal is twelve point six million
deal up to fifty point six.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Yeah, that's what I have in the banner here.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Kudos did the chat, and obviously Kendall to you like
we're kind of pivoting as we go through here. But yeah,
it's a what else do you do? You have any
any stats or anything you want to read off of.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Just just found one thing on Bosa that's I mean,
it's not eye popping or anything, but he's within the
top thirty of edge rushers and pass rush win rate
for a down season, so he's still from a pass
rush win rate perspective. In starter territory. I mean, there's
there's not much to glean from his twenty twenty four season.

(57:16):
To be fair, I mean, it's tough when you don't
play a lot and when you know you have declined
in your career. But like you can tell he still
has it, Like pass rush Win Ray is a good
indicator of if you still have what it takes. Thirteen
point five percent is still pretty solid. Where did that
rank exactly? Is twenty eighth, so top thirty two, still

(57:41):
starter territory. When was his I can't believe he made
the Pro Bowl this year? Actually that's probably a stand
in Pro Bowl.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
I was gonna say, so many guys deny it that,
Like I'm just kind of like, what's what was his
last fully held season? Twenty twenty one?

Speaker 1 (58:01):
I would call it twenty twenty one, even though it
wasn't seventeen games like the one he said out was
probably a meaningless gut.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
So let's go, yeah, if we're if we're looking at
it from the last three years, for everybody, five games
played in twenty twenty two, nine games played in twenty
twenty three, fourteen games played last year. But again, a
bunch of that season in twenty twenty four was filled
with you know, he was playing through different injuries, which, again,
if you are more of a rotational guy, you can

(58:31):
manage those injuries a little more, you know, which is
another boone and kind of feather in the cap. But again,
the bonus that you are getting here, I really don't
think this. I'm happy about this move. I I love
her as well. Yeah, I am very happy with this.
I recognize the downside of he's an injury prone guy.
What happens if he gets hurt again, so on and
so forth.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
If he gets hurt again, it only hurts the twenty
twenty five cap. Like, there's very very little risk.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Yeah, that's my thing. I think it's low risk. I
don't know if he's staying long term, like I really
do think if he has the year that he's capable
of having, he'll probably go. Ja'll probably cash in somewhere else.
But again that's fine, which again it doesn't help us
necessarily long term, but I'll take it for this year.
If they can just be the land of mercenaries a
year in and year out, keep bringing guys on these deals. Again,
he is a high end, no pun intended edge rusher.

(59:21):
Went healthy. You get him in a rotation, you let
Hoyt and Rousseau and Epanessa fulfill the run duties, which
again Bosa can also do, but you just want to
kind of let him be that assassin, let him be
that hunter, let him be the mercenary off the edge,
let Groot and aj and Hoyt do a lot of
the dirty work, and then you just have Bosa hunt

(59:44):
on third down and then man, what do you do
with if you're an offensive line? Yeah, Like, are you
confident blocking Bosa one on one?

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Like? That's the thing. I mean, that's that's the big
thing with the Bills defense is you know, you said
the Batman and Robin stuff. If we can get Groot
in more one on ones, if we can get at
Oliver and more one on ones, like this is something
that helps that. That's really really the key is we
need to get those two guys in one on ones
and if we're not, that means Bosa's probably getting one

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on ones. So it just creates a good math problem
for the Bills defense.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Absolutely, Yeah, I like this. Oh we got another super chat.
Think it very much again, Carl Carl says, I like
it so far. We don't want to draft out of necessity.
We need a defensive tackle a wide receiver and a
safety as edge is now, okay, who else do you
see us getting in free agency to fill the holes?
I'm gonna start with two kind of mentioned one earlier.
I want Roy Lopez so bad. That's the one tech

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that And also we gotta put this in perspective too,
right for the one tech that a lot of fans
like or want. The Bills are not going to be
that team that has a true like plugger as the
one tech.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
They are not.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
If Ted Washington Matt Williams played today, They're not gonna
like The Bills aren't the team that's gonna take them
like they were going to take Devandre Sweat last year.
You need to have some semblance of upfield juice or
penetration ability or pass rush ability in some form or fashion. Honestly,
they like all their interior guys to skew more towards
the pass rush than they do run defense. But I

(01:01:17):
see someone in the chat. No Groot is Greg Russo's nickname.
I didn't make that up. That's a literal nickname for him.
That's been a nickname for him from his rookie ar.
Someone was like, did I give him a nickname? No,
that's give him for a very long time, like you'd
have to get somebody like Okay, Kenneth Grant gives you
like some athleticism and juice inside, but it is also
a huge monster of a man and kind of like

(01:01:37):
a freak athlete to a degree. Lopez for me, is
more of that mold of a plugger. He's like seventy
thirty terms of skewed for the run, but he's also
got some pass rush, pop, push pull. He's got good
upfield juice. I would take him in a heartbeat right now,
and then he's your one tech and you can rotate
him a little bit, you can play him again. I

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also like him because of his front versatility. If you
want to go more five down fronts with Michael Hoyt,
like you potentially could and like I think might be coming,
or just more front versatility in general, you can have
Lopez play over the center. You can have him play
as a one tech, you can do and play as
a shade. You can do a variety of things with him.
I want defensive tackle. I wanted to be Roy Lopez,

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so that's my top free agent to fill that needed
defensive tackle corner. I wanted a d Bow and I
wanted a Sante Samuel. I didn't think either of them
would be realistic or true kind of predictive targets, but
that's what my heart wanted. I think them. I think
they're more in line of and Eric and I talked
about in the film room and I said it on Twitter.
I think someone along the tier of like a Benjamin
Saint Juice, Like I think he's literally a perfect example

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somebody who's like a high floor guy that could start
or could compete with a corner that you draft on
day two. And I think it's kind of somewhere in that,
in that range in terms of I think they look for.
I think they look for a corner with a high
floor to pair with a rookie corner and see whoever
wins the seed two job. And then I think they
do they have to add some bodies on the interior,

(01:03:03):
Like they just don't have anyone right now, so they
need bodies on the interior. So I expect moves at
both of those And those are my kind of guys
or thoughts for both. What about you, Kenda, You got
any thoughts on any potential more free agents to go forward?
Before before again, we will talk Josh Palmer and Michael
Wayte as we go forward from there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
I really want them to get a cornerback, and I'm
just looking at the list and I'm like, very afraid,
but also wouldn't be terribly upset if they signed Dame Jackson.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
I feel like that's he's so polarizing, I.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Know, and that's why I hate that I had to
even say it, but like, it doesn't preclude you from
drafting a cornerback early, but it also kind of helps
you shore up that spot. It it allows you to
do two things. I'm not saying. I'm not advocating for
signing Dame Jackson to be the starting CB two, but

(01:04:00):
you could do a lot worse, and I'm sure you
could do it at a value. So I don't know.
It's it's something that I'm looking at. I don't love it,
but I don't love a lot of these names. The
corner market was not ideal this year.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
It was very much like the top tier guys were legit,
top tier Carlton Davis, DJ Reid, you got shavarious word
out there, and then like the second tier was like okay,
Sante Samuel Paulson Adibo guys like that, and then after
that first and second tier it was just a drop off.
Even with like Sleigh being added and Bradbury being at it,
it very.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Much doesn't move the needle.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Yeah, the difference between the third tier and the second
tier was a chasm, like it was massive. So yeah,
I don't love this free agent corner, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Don't think the Bills take a shot at like Caleb
Farley or CJ. Henderson, Like I know they like the
whole like reclamation project type of idea, but I don't
really see them doing that at Corner specifically.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
Especially because they need like you need a CB two, yeah, exactly,
like you need something consistent, reliable, dependable, which is why
I'm like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
And I also wouldn't rule out maybe I don't know,
maybe Rasseul Douglas comes back.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Yeah, that's it feels like it's gonna be something boring
at cornerback that people aren't gonna like. But it's also
just gonna mean that they're also drafting one. And that's
my thought.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Like with with what they've done, with what the market
looked like, my thought was already like sign more of
a lower tier, high floor guy that can compete, but
you're pairing that with a corner.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
In round one or on day two, And I think
that goes for all of these positions of need, right
like including wide receiver. If you want to view Josh
Palmer that way, I don't necessarily view him that way.
But in terms of defensive tackle, safety, and corner, I
think those three positions are exactly what you're saying, high
floor pair them with a high up that draft pick.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Yeah, I think that's very fair. Let's uh, let's talk
about some of those new additions. Do you want to
talk about what do you want? You want to start
with Palmer? You want to start with White mine as well?
We were all I already kind of tipped it, Aaron
said in the comedy. Yeah, I mentioned this earlier as well. Yeah,
Aaron says, Trey Amos at thirty. I would sign up
for this absolutely right now. I have no qualms about it.

(01:06:22):
I would gladly take Trey Amos at thirty. Yeah, who
we talked about. Oh yeah, I just like his game
so so, so, so, so so much.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Put him on the queue now.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
He's a really good watch.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
I've watched.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
I watched seven Gate, I did my evaluation. I went
back and watched work because I just liked him. I
just know, I just wanted to watch more.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
I just liked him.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Like I'm watching him play against like Furman, Like that's
how much like I'm just like, I just like, I
just want.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
To can he dominate against Furman? That's exactly he did
a really off the board.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Yeah, I'm like, well, I was like, he did well
against LSU, but I need to see Furman. You want
to start with Palmer or you want to start with Wait,
I feel like you're gonna want to start with Palmer. Yeah,
let's stell with Palmer, who we just got to at
the one hour six minute mark. Well, we kind of
talked about them both a little bit, but.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
A little bit he was broke. Hey, you know, sneaky
thing with Josh Palmer. He might have recruited Joey Bosa.
The Bills have made three signings. All of them have
come from Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
People were saying that in the chat, I that's a
very good and two of them are Canadian. Hoy is
Canadian and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
I thought he was from Ohio.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
No, I think Hoyd is from I think he's from Toronto.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Palmer's from Toronto. I don't know where I thought was
from Ohio. I could be wrong on that though.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Yeah, he's from Oakville. He's from oh it says owen Wood.
He was born Oakville, Ontario. He went to high school
in Ohio, but he was born in Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
That's probably where I got Ohio. Yeah. AnyWho, So Josh Palmer,
I think a lot of people were really both of
us did this too. I think a lot of people
were upset on the sticker price. And I actually don't
know if it's been updated yet. I'll look that up
as i'm talking. But I think a big thing with

(01:08:11):
me that's a good comment, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
He said, which means the sanbuel Junior is coming.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Here next on the LA train. I think the big
thing with the sticker price that we saw the three
year thirty six million for Josh Palmer. That's twelve million
per year. It's shocking, it's a lot. It's like it's
exactly what we let gave Davis Walk for pretty much.
But I think when you start and look at this,

(01:08:38):
you're like, Okay, he's a twenty five year old kid.
He'll be turning twenty six in like week two week three,
he's only guaranteed eighteen million, which makes it sound like
the guarantees really only worked through the first two years,
and this contract is probably going to look more like
a two year deal with a second with a final
year as the team option. And if that's the case, Like,

(01:08:59):
I don't really care so much about the sticker price.
I actually think it's pretty fair value, especially when you
reverse engineer it and look at it, like, well, could
we have paid Gabe Davis the same thing? But then
you look at like the tape of Josh Palmer and
the age, it's like, you're getting a guy for the
same age, Yes, but he's not as limited athletically his

(01:09:22):
traits and where he can still grow, Like there's still
a lot of upside to this kid. And I remember
scouting him out of Tennessee and he was someone that
I found really late in the process, and I watched
a couple of games on him and I was like,
I don't have a lot to say on him because
he's just like super well rounded. And then I watched

(01:09:44):
his tape and I was just like, he's the same guy,
but he's just kind of gotten a little bit better
in all of these areas that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
He was super He's a very well rounded everywhere like everything,
he's like a six point five to like set and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Everything, And in scouting terms, like if you're above a six,
like your money, like you're doing good, you're doing good stuff.
So like I really view him as at least six
is across the board on just about everything. He's got
prototypical size in my opinion, he ran a four or five. Now,
he did all of his stuff at Pro Day's. This
was twenty there was no combine. Yeah, I know everyone

(01:10:20):
needs to take that with a grain of salt.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Uhassic like height weight, height weight, I'm always right, like
he's six one two ten, which we know, we know
he's six. I always think of like he ran his
forty on like a downhill track. They like skewed the field,
they did the win.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
They made sure he ran with the wind, not against
the win exactly. So it's like take it with a
grain of salt. But I do think he ran the
four or five to one in his Pro Day and
then you watch it on tape and he actually he
really does get by people. Now I'm not saying he's
a deep threat and he doesn't like satisfy this idea
that we both had going into off season. Get the

(01:10:58):
guy that's gonna take the top off the defense. He
doesn't do that, that's not the point, but he has
the ability to do it, which I think checks a
box for this Joe Brady offense. I don't think they
necessarily want the basketball lineup. I think that's what we want.
I think what they want. I think what they want

(01:11:19):
is for everyone to have like ancillary traits that can
satisfy the basketball lineup. But for the most part, these
players live in the middle of the spectrum. They want
as many guys as possible to live in the middle
of this wide receiver spectrum in terms of skills and traits.
And then where you specialize, there's just like a thing

(01:11:40):
here or there, like you know, Keank Coleman, body control, jump,
all stuff like that's his little special ability. But for
the most part, he lives closer to the middle than
you would think. Like all of these guys I think
live closer to the middle than you would think. And
that's how I think they want to build the room.
And this is just another guy like that. Yeah, he
can separate at all levels. I don't think he's quote

(01:12:02):
unquote different deep speed, but he has it. And it's
not like I keep doing the game. No, no, no,
Charles is saying separation and deep. Oh I got you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Yeah I read that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Yeah, yeah, oh you met you read it like he's yeah, yeah,
that's exactly high.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
You got me that La culture, man, I get Mad
City culture.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
I appreciate the cleanup that was. That was good. Though.
I keep comparing him to Gabe Davis, But in terms
of winning deep, Gabe did it. Did it in a
lot of physicality and build up speed. Palmer has good
short area quickness, Like he can get off the line
of scrimmage with a good release and he can get
to top speed relatively quickly. It's what we were talking

(01:12:45):
about this last night at like eleven thirty at night. Yeah,
it's it's not like an astounding ten yards split or anything,
but it's it's good and he can get by you.
But honestly, it's because of what he does at the
line of scrimmage, Like everything he does starts with his
release package and then from there it's just kind of

(01:13:06):
being able to beat you in any way. Like that's
my favorite thing about him is just alignment versatility, route versatility,
like he can win at all three levels. He's only
twenty five, so he can still grow in terms of
how he's winning at all three levels. So I've probably
talked too long on this, but I like him a

(01:13:26):
lot just because of how well rounded he is and
how much he's going to fit perfectly into this whole
mantra of everybody eats like that's the point. He he
can do anything that you need him to do. He
might not be the blocker that Gay Davis or Mac
Collins was, but he can do it. He's a very
willing blocker. You see him scrapping down the field for

(01:13:47):
guys like there were a couple of Lad McConkey, there
are a couple of Lad McConkie touchdowns that he, yeah,
scoot handedly helped like he is a very and the
Bill's coaching staff loves guys that are flocked fucking downfield
when it's like not even their business. Like they talk
about Dalton Kinkaid doing it all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
They talk about Khalil security because he can't walk anywhere
around the lanscrew, but.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
They always acknowledge it. They always acknowledge it, like even
Josh Allen acknowledges it like it's always the top thing
that they talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
So yeah, because it indicates like effort and care and
want to It's the stuff that like you don't have
to do that you kind of do, but you kind
of don't, and so when you do it with consistency,
it's like, oh, Like it's like the person who shows
up like ten minutes early for their shift every day
just to make sure they're on time for their shift.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Like, you don't have to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
You can show up right when your shift starts a
het dune in, but like, yeah, shows that little care.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
So I really like him for what he can be
in the future, but also what he is right now.
Like I think at the floor, he's giving us what
Curtis Samuel gave us last year, which was spurts of
good stuff, right Like I think everyone was probably disappointed
with what Curtis Samuel gave us.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
I still think and this isn't this is just from
BB being live at camp a bunch. I really do
think if he doesn't get hurt at the end of
camp or preseason or whatever, I think he plays a
much more significant role. He was the move like the
leverage creator and main target throughout the majority of camp.
And I was there for like several days like early late,

(01:15:18):
like he was, and Brady had him brought in like purposely,
and his best years came under Brady, Like I really
do think he would have had a more significant role.
Maybe we're still underestimating Curtis Samuel's role and all this
is based off he was last year. And again I
don't think that injury ever went away because he tried
to play with it a little bit through the foot
so like maybe, uh, you know, I don't thinks are

(01:15:39):
different a little bit for him.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Sorry, I didn't want to get you off.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
No, no, you're good. But I truthfully believe like that's
his floor, is just like an output as a role player.
And then on top of all of this, on top
of all of this, he played in a system last
year that kept the ball on the ground. Oh yeah,
fair point, Like he has been a role player and

(01:16:02):
he has been like silently gracious through his four years
in uh Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
He's got from a really good route runner in Keenan Allen.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
And Mike Williams, like getting pieces from both of them,
like not so much on the route running, but like
it just generally.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Speaking like a body control, body positioning.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Like he's gotten stuff from both of those guys, and
they both have had their share of injuries, and he
steps up and he produced every single time when he
was asked to, he stepped up and produced. And then
in this final year with Los Angeles, like they really
took the air out of the ball, and he still
did all the dirty work that they asked him to do.
And then when his number was called, like he's just

(01:16:43):
a really solid, dependable guy, which is like bills through
and Through just get a bunch of BB plus guys
like this is another one of those guys. But the
upside is he's twenty five turning twenty six and he
could develop a whole lot within the next two three years.
So I'm all for it. I think there's value here

(01:17:03):
in a in a wide receiver market that's really hard
to find value, Like it's such a booming market, Like
it's really hard to find value. But I think twelve
million a year for a twenty five year old is
pretty solid. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
I think the way it kind of shook out, I
initially was like, oh that, Like I thought he would
go for like five to like seven and a half.
I was thinking seven right, like again just kind of
lower high. Like my thought was yeah, okay, like six
and a half, seven million year or something.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Like that, Like I thought, Yammy Brown happens.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
And it's like, so the the first one was Tu Tou,
like Tutu went for one year ten and I was like, oh,
so in the film room, Eric and I all three
guys Tou Tou, Diami, and Palmer were all on that
episode last week or two two weeks ago, two weeks two,
I think, and so we had I had done a
contract projections for them in addition to the scouting, and

(01:17:56):
I saw what Tutu went for and I immediately was like,
oh wow, good for him. And then I went, oh, no,
like this market. And then I saw and saw what
Diambi got. And so the first thing from you for
Palmer with the contract, which again you and I talked
about yesterday and like I didn't love it, and I
still don't like necessarily love it, but I dan if
it falls functions more as two it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
But that's the market, like yeah, yes, every year bank,
that's free agency.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
That's the market.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
It is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
It happened a couple years ago with Christian Kirk and
uh the A's Jones contract, ironically both of the Jags.
But like certain positions get blow even this year with
what certain guys are getting on the market for an
offensive line, specially quickly, like.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
The Patriots are having a fantastic offseason, but they are
also objectively overspending on every single guy. Like both can
be true.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Yes, that's fair. And I just think with Palmer you
needed his skill set in the room. I think you
and you didn't say it to night. I thought you
were gonna but you had a great line to me
yesterday when we were texting about it, and you know,
you said, like he's a piece of the puzzle. Oh
and I think that's what he is. Yeah, what you
did say, You said that, you know, he's I don't
even know what puzzles are. I'd never even heard that one.

(01:19:08):
You said he's a pe. You said he's a piece
of the puzzle, Like he's made. Roy Lopez went to
the Lions.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
That fits.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
That makes That's a great call. Good for them. I
want to throw myself through the window. That's disappointing. Thank you,
Luke for that in the chat. Yeah, he's a he's
a piece of the puzzle. I don't think he's necessarily
a needle mover or a pendulum swinger, but he's a
piece to the puzzle. What I have for everything, my
biggest things for him. He gives the bill size and

(01:19:37):
frame which you alluded to, seventieth percentile for weight, not
in a good way, not like, oh good, he's like overweight,
seventy percent of hele for weight, seventy ninth percentile for
arm length, fifty eighth percentile for hype. And then the
route running ability, mainly the ability to separate underneath and
in the intermediate via pacing and deception in his stems
good release package. You know, you hit on a lot

(01:19:58):
of the technical points I spoke. I spoke on him
in the film last week, so I'm not there gonna
go too hard with it again. But just you have
somebody who is comfortable going up against press, who's comfortable
going up against off man or press man, who knows
how to pace and change a little bit with his Oh,
Lopez went for one year, four point sixty five.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Oh. I would have given him.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
That in an instant.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
I would have given him five and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Sorry, thank you for that, Luke.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Appreciate you. Yeah, I hate you, but appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
Yeah, I'm I'm mad at the world right now, but
I thank you so much. He can win the line,
he can win in the stem, he can win on
the break. He can win with a little bit of physicality.
He can win footwork. He can beat you with some
shark He's not a sudden player, but he does have
sharpness and precision to his game as a route runner.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
There are so many moments though, where I say that
and then like he pulls a pivot route or he
pulls a comeback route, and I'm like, where'd you pull
that from? Like, I haven't seen this on what he does.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
But for me, I sdarkness and suddenness are two different things,
even for me at least when he runs those routes,
I see the sharpness and the precision. When I think
of suddenness, I think of like how Garrett Wilson runs
a route Like Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Okay, no, I understand how you're using it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
That's kind of so he doesn't have that what the
decision is there? The the sharpness, yes, the sharpness is there,
and again that I don't expect a dude who's six'
one two to to be a sudden. GUY i expect,
It but the fact that he has that level of
sharpness precision at HIS i don't know if it's The
Keenan allen. Factor and you, know working with that guy

(01:21:34):
day after day after, day And Keenan allen for years
one of the best route, runners one of the best
release packages in THE. Nfl AND i think you see
again not saying That Josh palmer's cut To, allen but
you got somebody who is good working in tight, splits
working out. Wide he's comfortable as the number one outside
you can. Have you can run a three by, one

(01:21:55):
he can be the solo receiver on the back, side
whatever you want to. Do, again comfortable against, press comfortable
against off man and, zone knows how to work into
some blind. Spots just a good amount of technicality and
just a good overall. PLAYER i wish he had a
little more vertical speed to, him a little more long. Speed,
again he's not slow like you, Said he's got. MORE
i think he's a good athlete and he's more explosive

(01:22:16):
like you said in in the short. Areas you see
some explosion in the And i'm thinking of the verbiage
THAT i texted you last.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Night you see some explosion in like the one to,
ten but then when he opens it, up he doesn't
have that next. Year, yeah like he gets his top
end and like he just maintains, it which is, fine
especially for his.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Size, yeah he's got some good contested. Catchability there's a
couple of nice reps of that for. Him but just
somebody who.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Can sick one hander on the top sideline that barely broken.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Up, yeah what game was THAT i was last? NIGHT
i thought scrolling through where it's to the top of
the screen and he reaches out with the left hand
and brings it, in but then the corner smacks it right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Out. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
ALMOST i just think he's a guy who helps you
out in a lot of, ways AND i WANTED i
still think they need more of a vertical speed element deep,
threat which Maybe Curtis samuel can be that to a,
degree BUT i will take another guy who can win
in the intermediate and the underneath and can do it
with route running and precision, deception stem, work, breakwork that

(01:23:19):
kind of, stuff and then as the size to go
with it, again this is a piece of the. PUZZLE
i still, again you, know in an ideal, WORLD i
would have rather paid him like seven million a, year
but Same, unfortunately you just kind of have to go
with what the market. IS i don't think he's somebody that,
wow like The bill's Got Josh, Palmer oh my. God
BUT i don't think he's this cast. OFF i think

(01:23:41):
a lot of people are kind of downplaying the signing
is like he's just like he's a, Jag like he's
just a, guy he's. Whatever BUT i think his skills above. That,
ye a little above that for, Sure AND i think
his skill set fits what they. Needed they needed that
In you don't if you look At Samuel Coleman shakir
even for how Good shakira, is, right, like you need

(01:24:02):
somebody who's got that precision route running game to go
with What shakira offers on the. Outside, yes and can
play on the outside like and mc collins wasn't giving you.
That AND i love Mac collins LIKE i loved his.
BLOCKING i am concerned a little bit of what what
does do look like this?

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
Year?

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Yeah Without hollins as that, blocker he was so savvy
picking up blocks and making plays For shakir on THOSE rpo,
bubbles you, know in those box, counts, like, Oh allen
sees what's in the box? Here, okay spitting it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
Out maybe the plan is to Make Dalton kinkaid replace mc.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
Collins, yeah but the problem Is hollins is such a
better blocker than Can.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
CAGE i, Agree but Maybe i'm hoping, that you, know
maybe they can force him into that. Role. Yeah that
that could also work. Too that could also.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Work i'm hoping it's it's more key on and he's
ready to kind of take that next step from a snapshare.
Perspective but, YEAH i, AGAIN I i'm a fan as you,
are you, know building the basketball. LINEUP i like the,
SIZE i like the route running, capability and again what
he can do in his, releases his stems and on
the break being able to win it all three spots

(01:25:08):
in the, low, uh you, know in the underneath and the.
Intermediate i'll take. It i'll take it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
UP i was pleasantly surprised BECAUSE i went into this
kind of knowing just how well rounded he, was BUT
i wasn't expecting to see much juice at. All AND
i was really pleasantly surprised to see how much he
could get even or past his guy on vertical routes
or even on deep.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
Overs he is deceptively and some of it is like
coverage guys kind of just blowing coverage to a. Degree
but he is decessibly fast to like if you look
away for a quick, click he's passed. You, Yeah AND
i think that's a testament to, him like having more
speed than you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Think like there were plenty of, Reps oh my, god
this this really bothered. Me But herbert really really zoned
in on LAD mcconki last.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
Year oh there was some of my favorite reps For
palmer on. Tape are him not getting?

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Targeted he, says. BREAK i think all of my favorites
from him was his.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Targets he had one Against, arizona AND i know you
watched this last night Against. Press it WAS i think
maybe the second, player the third play in that playlist
where he's if you're watching the, screen it's a two by.
Two he's the number one to the top of the
screen and it's just like a deep. Comeback but the
snap he runs off the corner and then it's, one two, three,
bang and he turns.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Out AND i was, like, oh get him the, ball
AND i THINK i did that it least the last.
Night like there were so many times where it's like
this guy's creating so much. Stuff even that one Against
tennessee A, laddimaconnie the one Against brownlee Against.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Tennessee, right he doesn't get the ball on that target,
either the one that you texted me about at like
forty eight seconds and in the first the short.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Pivot, yeah and you're like on the.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Ball but AGAIN i, understand Like, Laddie, yeah he's getting. Pressured,
yeah it was, Fine it was, fine but, yeah some
of his bests or him not getting a. Target there
was some other ones where it's, like, okay he's playing
against cover two and the safety is not getting enough
with and there is a clear hole shot on just
a vertical like it's not even a corner route or,
anything but there's a clear hole shot as he beats

(01:27:14):
the corner And herbert's just not even looking at.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Him and we, know like that Is Josh allen's bread and.
Butter he loves hitting that vertical route as they clear
the corner and the safety isn't getting enough. With that's
like a free fifteen yards For Josh. Allen he loves.
That Josh palmer was open a lot on those this past.
Year So i'm not saying, he's you, know deep, threat
he's gonna get us those sixty seventy yard touchdowns or.

(01:27:38):
Anything but he can win deep more than you would.
Think he can win past the fifteen yard. Mark SO
i was pleasantly surprised by that and being able to
win on deep. OVERS i just didn't think that was
gonna be in his. Game but he's developed. Well he's
honestly developed, well AND i think he can continue develop In.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
Buffalo, yeah, yeah Thanks. JOE i already know That Roy
lopez went To. DETROIT i don't need you to rub it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
In.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
NO i appreciate, You, joe thank.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
You i'm sincerely.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
HEARTBROKEN i really want to know that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Sucks that sucks because you know what's.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Nasty Roy lopez playing next to A lin McNeil is
going to be sick In detroit and Then hutch coming
off the.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
EDGE i really like that For.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Detroit, yeah he's good on. Inbreakers you, know he'll run
that dig or that basic Like charles mentioned, there you
can run that over that post you mentioned it last
night we were talking on the. Text, YEAH i, AGAIN
i think he's a piece of the. PUZZLE i still
think he's fit for more of like a wide receiver.
Three maybe could creep into wide receiver two territory if
he starts to ascend a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Hecking order in the wide receiving. Room.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
Yeah, YEAH i just think in, general if you're building
out a wide receiver, room a good wide receiver room
Has Josh palmer probably his wide receiver, three but he
can step Into it's just such a unique conversation because
of how The bills have exactly that's it's a nuanced
conversation with The bills because because also, two because of
how the run factors. In, yeah technically from a snapshare, PERSPECTIVE.

(01:29:05):
Matc collins was like wide receiver one or two last
year and then technically even this year coming, Up Cole
sekurra is wide receiver. One but If i'm also.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
Like target pecking, order LIKE i truthfully see shakiras one
for wide, receivers and THEN i really see a path
For palmer to be two for wide. Receivers, sorry wide.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Receivers got? You, Yeah, NO i don't think that's crazy IF.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
I see a path for him to be like clear
cut two And samuel's, three or Like samuel And coleman
are like sharing three in.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
An ideal, World coleman develops and he's pushing for two for. Sure.
THREE i don't Think samuel is ever going to be
like a target, guy to be like A troy. TWO
i think he'd be more of like you want him
to be like three catches seventy five, Yards like that's
like WHAT i think urt Of samuel has built more
to be in an ideal, world It's. Coleman but to your,
POINT i don't think that's crazy That palmer could like

(01:29:58):
get to.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
That he just feels so much more reliable to the
point where like he just shares such a similar to.
Me he really Screams Khalil shakir with, size like in
terms of how he's so well rounded in that, regard
not like he's the same, player but in the sense
that he's very dependable and you can you can rely
on him to do all the little things the right.

(01:30:21):
Way he just feels like a guy that's gonna develop
chemistry With josh quickly and he's gonna command.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
TARGETS i don't.

Speaker 5 (01:30:28):
Know that's just.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Me that's.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
Fair, NO i, UH i think he has some upside
for that and the fit in the, system How alan,
plays how the offense, layers What brady. LIKES i don't
think it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
For you, know, again for, ME i do think in
a good wide.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Receiver, ROOM i think He's, yeah the, Three you're absolutely,
right who can kind of like what he was with The. Chargers,
oh you got My williams And Keenan allen And palmer's your. Three,
okay one of them went down for two to three. Weeks,
Okay palmer can fit in a bit and do some.
Things but, yeah The bill's conversation is interesting considering how
it makes it weird how they, Open But i'll take
a guy who knows how to get open and the
underneath in the intermediate may have cost a little, more

(01:31:04):
but that's more of the market than.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Anything you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Needed this skill set in the, room and especially with
what you need on, Defense LIKE i don't love having
to take a receiver On day one or.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Two just giving agreed they needed really helps them for the.
Draft this really helps him attack what they need to
in the. DRAFT i.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Agree i'm right there with. You anything else On palmer
before we talk About Michael. Hoyt, No i've exhausted. It
copy of that piece Of palmer does have this odd
habit of mixing his ice Team lemonade fifty to. Fifty
well Good, joe well, Done. PETE i appreciate.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
That that was a good. One all, Right Michael. Hoyt
what are your thoughts on Mister Michael. HOYT i WAS
i was really happy with his. TAPE i only got
to like week thirteen. ISH i, mean, granted he doesn't
have a ton of, snaps BUT i really liked his
mix of, size, movement, skills, physicality. EFFORT i, mean his

(01:31:58):
game is his effort and. Motor but what's nice about it,
is AND i feel LIKE i say this about a
lot of, guys it's effort and motor without playing, recklessly, Right,
like he still plays, very very in control and he
knows what he's. Doing early, ON i think there was
a game against The, CARDINALS i was, like all, right

(01:32:19):
he's just kind of banging his head into the polar
and he's not keeping his eyes up against the. Run
but THEN i kind of saw more and more tape
AND i was, Like, okay that's just because he's facing
a polar and he can't just get beat at the
point of, attack and he smashes polars like like that's his,
Thing like he really takes it to the. Polars AND
i think this is just part of his game because

(01:32:41):
THEN i started watching AND i started to see his
pass rush, plan And i'm, LIKE i think he tries
to set the tone early with his physicality because he
has heavy hands and a lot of, Strength like he's
a very functionally strong, player AND i think he tries
to set that up early because he has a really
good swipe and spin swim move that comes off of.

(01:33:04):
THIS i THINK i think offensive lineman really think he's gonna,
attack hit them with a bowl rush and with, power
and when they gear up for that and they try
to get their hands on, him he just swipes and
swims around.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
Him he's got a really nice cross chop. Too you'll
see him stack with that euro and then bang and
pulls himself. Through but it only works because he makes
them fear the power. First AND i think that's really
crucial to one just that he has the whear with.
You but you know WHAT i, Mean like he has the.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
Football instincts and intelligence to, understand like he's not the
greatest pass rusher in the, world but he has good
hands and heavy hands and he knows how to sequence
them throughout a game to win for his skill, set
AND i think that that really does speak to who
he is as a. Player BUT i, think, yeah he's
really strong at the point of, attack plays with a

(01:33:55):
ton of, effort so he's very good against the. Run
the way he, deconstructs he can deconstruct blocks so, efficiently
like it's he's not a stack and shed, guy but
like he can really just kind of play with offensive
linemen and think that they're in a comfortable spot and
he just swipes the straight off of. Him so he's

(01:34:18):
not gonna be an edge bender or anything like, that
but he can get around the edge on. Occasion but
he's gonna be more of a pocket pusher if we're
talking about him as a pass. Rusher but layer this
with The Joey bosa thing and it's, like, well hopefully
if he's a pass, rusher he's gonna be doing, that you,
know non hand in the dirt a gap type of,

(01:34:38):
stuff which is really nice because he's just such a,
Mismatch LIKE i don't want to sit here and say
he's a chess, piece like He's Derwin.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
James he's a chess. Piece he's a chess. Pieces he
is just like a lower tier version like he, is
but like he's Not Michael.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Parsons, No LIKE i don't want him going into, coverage
but like ign knowledging how much The bills use sims and,
Creepers i'm, like, Okay like it's it's, Fine LIKE i
don't mind him dropping into coverage because it's honestly better
than what we. Have, yeah like there was a lot
of The Lorenzo alexander. Comps i've seen a lot of

(01:35:15):
that because, yeah like he does a lot of different.
Things LIKE i don't prefer him off, ball BUT i
understand that it's a thing that you can do with.
HIM i prefer him on the line of, scrimmage either
defending the run from the line of scrimmage or rushing the.
Passer but the alignment versatility in the mismatch piece is
really big for me BECAUSE i think he has the

(01:35:37):
power and, speed the power and movement. Skills i'll say
the power and movement skill mix that really can be
troublesome for tight ends on the, edge like he overpowers tight. Ends,
yeah but then. Tackles he can still overpower some tackles
every now and. Again but then if you move him

(01:35:57):
inside and we start talking about what he does head
up in the a gap from a two point, stance
he's just his movement. Skills he's a little too quick for,
Guards like guards really can't handle his. Quickness SO i
JUST i really like the blend of his skill. Set
there's so many different things to touch AND i HOPE

(01:36:18):
i hit all of, them AND i know you're going,
to but like it's so it's so tough to encapsulate
his value because he brings it in so many different
areas of the. Field he's a very hard guy to.
Summarize but he will be valuable to this team in
a way that we don't necessarily know because The bills

(01:36:41):
are gonna have to tweak things to get the most
out of. Him like you don't want to leave things
on the table with his skill set because he offers
a lot in multiplicity and they need to tap into.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
That so the biggest thing for me with, him and
part of WHY i like, him want to go back
to this comment From Charles charles, says Just hoyt Plus
Ryan nielsen equal a more, aggressive diverse. Defense So i've
talked about this a bunch this. Offseason why like The
Ryan nielsen, addition AND i know people believe it Was

(01:37:12):
jakes defense coordinating that defense.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
SUCKED i don't.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
Care, WELL i kind of, do BUT i kind of.
Don't for, me it WAS i, again Like august last
the Past august leading into this past, SEASON i was
just like decided to watch Them Jesse bates tape AND
i watched LIKE i maybe watched like seven or Eight falcons,
games and the thing THAT i kept taking away was
how awesome the twenty twenty Three falcons sim and creeper, programmatically,

(01:37:37):
yeah schematically on third down they were just like a.
Nightmare and that's a that's a defense that was no,
Disrespect like didn't have a lot of horses UP i.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
Was just gonna, say they couldn't rush to the.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Passer, no they had No they Had Grady, jarrett you,
know but you, know not necessarily what he once, was
and then a lot of dudes that most people probably
can't name at linebacker end up front in twenty twenty,
three and it was just such a good sim and creeper.
Pracket SO i Saw nielsen come, ON i was, like, oh,
defensive like, assistant like like what does that? Mean and
then McDermot, said he's gonna be more focused on THE d.

(01:38:07):
Line you, know that's where his bread and butter is
gotta YadA are in his experience or whatever verbiage that he.
Used and the REASON i Targeted hoyt was because Then
i've said this for the past couple of, years and
you know. THIS i want The bills front to be more.
DIVERSE i you, know it's cool if four down over
front get. IT i want more like we're in some
five down.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Fronts we're in some tight front.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
Stuff work in different packages and alignments and things and pressure,
looks AND i get. It if you can just be
What sean McDermott. Wants he wants to recreate the twenty
Fifteen panthers defense where it's Just Jared allen And Charles
johnson And Kaewan short And starletttulala and they can just
rush for and get home and cause havoc and play
coverage behind.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
IT i get.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
It The bills, front, yes The bills front does not have,
that and they haven't been. That AND i also think
just with how offenses operate now you need a little
more schematic. Diversity, YEAH i think A hoyt is a
step in that direction because of his skill, set which
is tied to you, know the versatility that he, offers
like the combination of size and athleticism that he, brings

(01:39:09):
paired with the violence and, Technique like watching him on one,
rep you, know execute a really, clean beautiful cross chop
and being able to turn the. Corner and then like
you go to another game and, yeah he's just Meeting
Pinna sewel head.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
On, yeah that's the first CLIP i saw of. Him
it's just blowing up and A sewel.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
Blowing him up as he pulls on that tackle long trap,
bang and then he Tackles gibbs in the. Backfield same
thing when he matches that polar From Green, Bay like
he is that force, player but he's also trying to
go through.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
Them and so to watch the level of.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Technicality he can be, technical he can be, Violent like
you can line him up as a four to three,
edge you, know any typical like we see four down. Front,
okay line him up right right right right off the,
tackle you want to play him in a five down
front and have him play outside the tight end and
like a wide nine and have mashed the tight end
and set the edge.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
There. Cool you want to line them up in THE
a gap or over the.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
Center. Cool you want to have him lineup off ball
and then blitz through THE a gap or the.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
Bgap.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
Cool you want him to be a spiker and annihilate
a guard so somebody can come.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
Clean. COOL i just like what that skill set was on.
Tape individually as a.

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
PLAYER i was like, this those are the type of
DUDES i Gravitate. Toorge you AND i have talkball so.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
Much you always love these type of. Guys, yes, yeah
and me, philosophics this is, yes you get. Me, well
it's been like four.

Speaker 3 (01:40:34):
Years LIKE i want dudes who play like velociraptors and
have velociraptor but he is, that and he is, That
and IF i could build a, defense my defense would
be more of like a three four hybrid type of
defense where similar to kind of LIKE i, guess modern,
football Like george's defense in, college where you got these
guys like, okay like Who's, russian who's? Dropping what can

(01:40:57):
you do WHEN i recognize you need the body types for,
that and it's harder THE, nfl BUT i just don't
like being static anywhere on. Defense LIKE i don't want
you to know what Coverage i'm. PLAYING i don't want
you to know Who's. RUSSIAN i don't want you to
know who's, dropping who's doing, What and in order to do,
that you need to have the body types for. It
AND i Think hoyt is a move in that, direction
To charles's point and a QUESTION i should, say and

(01:41:20):
a large reason WHY i liked, him and you know
you mentioned a bunch of those pieces as.

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
WELL i just think he gives.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
You a lot of. VERSATILITY i don't think he's this player.
WHO i don't think he's an Athletic, marvel AND i
don't think HE'S i don't think he's a jack of all,
trades master of, none BUT i do think he's closer
to that than being like a real plus matchup in
any one. Area but WHAT i like about him IS
i would say his plus matchup is just, violence like

(01:41:46):
AND i say violence.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
From functional, strength just like.

Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
Mentality, yes the plays the, game and AGAIN i guess
dirt sandpaper. VIOLENCE i thought The bills needed more of
that up. FRONT i want somebody on this defensive line
who can beat the hell out of a tight end
or a tackle or a guard or a. Center and
then you throw in the fun little things of like
LIKE i put it out on the clip, clip one

(01:42:13):
of the clip PACKAGES i put out this. Morning like
against The, patriots they run close up the drag yeah
From Hunter henry, right, yeah, yeah he drops into coverage
and into like the hook, curl but he legitimately looks
to his, right sees that the number one is going.
Vertical his eyes get back To henry and he drives
on it like he makes it like it's Not WHEN i.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
Came back to earth on, like, OKAY i guess he
can be in cover ridge. Now at that POINT i was,
like please don't put him in. Ridge, yeah don't do.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
It like, now his movement in space and in coverage isn't,
great like the base and the. Feet he's not some
like super. Fluid, again he's Not Micah parsons in, space
but he's. Not he didn't make that play by. Accident
like he's legitimately reading and within his responsibility and then,
clicking closing and detonates on and reinforces the.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
Incompletion that was an impressive play from.

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
Him, yes AND i like that because again you get
the third down. Stuff so you're taking this. Guy is
he rushing off the? Edge why does he rushing? From
is he rushing from off? Ball is he dropping into
coverage like this the CLOSEST i think The bills will
get towards like chaos manufacturing on third out is simulated

(01:43:23):
in creepers and then creative five ban pressures like that's
what they're That that's WHERE i think they can.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
GO i think they need to go that. WAY i
want them to go that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
Way AND i Think hoyd is a significant step just
because you can you can put him in so many
spots on, first, second or third down and get creative with.
Him AND i just really liked that. SIGNING i thought
the contract was. Good what they uh one of my
three years twenty four?

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
Million, yeah it's probably another two plus. One, Yes AND
i THINK i saw THE i don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
WHY i THINK i saw the. BREAKDOWN i saw a
projection for it and it was very. Favorable, yeah and especially,
now like you, said you put it in in lockstep
with The bosa.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
News IT'S i love it even.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
More now you've just Got groot And hoy who can
just beat the hell out of anybody off the. Edge
you've Got epanessa who's grown into a role as a
good first and second down player from an efficiency metrics,
standpoint and is improved versus the. RUN i would still
like some more pass Rush papa, whatever he's an edge.
THREE i think hoyit can be a two groups your

(01:44:27):
one and Then bosa is your, one is the pass,
rusher and then you've Got Javon solomon who you're hoping can.
DEVELOP i just think the edge grouping is really panned out.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
Nicely, YEAH i completely. AGREE i mean on the versatility.
POINT i think what gets so exciting beyond creepers and
sims is also like the spy packages that they were
using against The. Chiefs it was like the only thing
that was working against The chiefs in the. Playoffs well like,
that the odd mirror stuff that they, do like What
georgia does You and now you can Add hoyt to

(01:44:55):
the mix and do like five man front odd mirror
stuff and it's, like, bro is It? Milano is It
hoyt as a?

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
Spy?

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
Like, Look i'm not Saying hoyt's a better spy Than
milano because, Athletically i'd rather Have. Milano but you add a,
wrinkle like that is a viable wrinkle where he's not
a drop. OFF i mean he's a drop off as
an athlete in that, role but he can do it
to the point where it's like you're not dropping off

(01:45:22):
to pull on, Liability like he could play that spiral
violently and shoot to the quarterback similar to What milano,
does AND i think that that is. Value like we
need to find different ways to play those third downs
because there's too many times where the defense wins on
first and second. Down and you gotta Get mahomes off,

(01:45:44):
field you gotta Get Joe burrow off the, Field you've
got to Get Lamar jackson off the. Field but you
can't do It, vanilla like you like it has to
have a wrinkle because it's to the point of The carolina,
team like we just don't have those. Horses but like
if you start looking at and you're, like, okay so
let's play like three tight hand in the dirt defensive

(01:46:04):
Tackles rousseau At Oliver Joey bosa and then someone off the.
EDGE i don't. Know Maybe bosa is more off the,
edge and Then hoyt's also off the, edge and It's
Daikwan jones in the middle with At oliver and you
have those Three, Rousseau daiquon and At oliver hand in the,

(01:46:25):
dirt and Then hoyt And bosa two point stand, right
but you still Have bernard And milano off. Ball you
don't know who's, coming who's. Going, yep you could be sending,
five you could be sending, three you could be sending,
four you could be dropping, eight you could be dropping.
Seven you don't know who's, coming who's. Going there's so

(01:46:46):
many permutations, too of how you can execute that as a,
defense not just like how to confuse the, offense but
also just like as a, defense how you want to
execute that just to be optimal on your own. SIDE
i just thing he creates so many possibilities for this,
defense and it's very exciting BECAUSE i think you hit it,

(01:47:07):
briefly but he's sneaky a three down.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
Player, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
When you watch him right off the, rip you're, like,
oh this is a two down run. Stopper he'll just
play a, role which is probably true to an Extent
like that will probably be his predominant, role but they
have to find ways to get him on the field
for third down because he's an. Asset but they need
to figure out exactly how they're going to maximize that. Ability,

(01:47:35):
YES i like.

Speaker 3 (01:47:36):
THAT i want to answer two quick comments from the.
CHAT jamiu Says, anthony what would you think of Adding Kaleis? Campbell?
NEXT i would Welcome Kalais campbell with open. Arms he defies,
age he continues to ball. Out he was good In
atlanta two seasons, ago he was good In miami this past,
year AND i just want anything on the. INTERIOR i
would take him Over Dwayne carter right. Now, YEAH i

(01:47:57):
would Take Kalais. Campbell al Says avanessa a good run.
Defender question. MARK i KNOW i mentioned this a couple
of times out of one hundred and twenty seven qualifying
edges against the. Run in twenty twenty, four Aj atbanessa
was tied for sixteenth in stops and he was twenty

(01:48:18):
fourth in run stop, Percentage so he played like an
edge two against the. Run pass rush productivity went, down
which is significantly down for and when it was up
the year. Before but, yeah he's sneakily and quietly turned
into a pretty good run defender from a sound perspective
and from even an advanced metrics and efficiency. Perspective but
to your, point, yeah LIKE i even with oddmir stuff

(01:48:41):
like he can be the guy off the edge to
get the quarterback off the, spot like that aggressive dude,
crashing or you could get get a little creative and
drop him like there's so. Many like you, said, PERMUTATIONS
i think is a great, word and so my thought
of with it when they made that. Signing my thought
this morning was, like, oh, hey is this a breadcrumb

(01:49:01):
towards a more diverse front or is it just, like,
hey we like this guy and we could do some
stuff with, him but we're probably just gonna use hims
like a four to three edge and let him kind
of do his. Thing The bosa signing is, interesting and
that doesn't necessarily move it in one direction or the.
OTHER i think we'll end up seeing kind of just
more sims and creepers and traditional four down front. STUFF

(01:49:22):
i hope though we get. More give me some more
five down stuff a little, bit just give me some more.
Creativity and five down doesn't necessarily mean you have to
Rush all, Five, Like, yeah you can Drop hoyt into
the curled flats or the hook curls or do. Whatever
LIKE i there is schematic possibility With hoyt THAT i.
Like and, man it's it's a really it's for. Me

(01:49:46):
it's a really fun. Signing LIKE i just like him
schematically and it just ties To like you, SAID i
do think there is three down potential there for. HIM
i think he can be violent and mash against the
run on first and second down and then on. THIRD
i kind of like him in the let him be
kind of like That amoba, defender where like a like
as the as the defense is coming to the line

(01:50:07):
of the offense is coming to the, line.

Speaker 1 (01:50:09):
He's, like don't give him a.

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
Spot, yeah he's lining up over the center and then
he starts to move over the guard and then he
runs the agony rushes or its vice.

Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
Versa he kind of just drop him all over the.

Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
Place AND i don't think he's another guy THAT i
think is a piece of the, puzzle but opens up
your menu a little bit more because of what he can.
Do AND i thought the cost was very reasonable given
what he can. Be, yeah and then you put it
in you put it in lockstep with hopefully a Healthy,
bosa and you've you've instantly become better against the run

(01:50:37):
and more versatile, upfront which is nice AND i think
that's a. Win and then his pastor stuff is, cool
and how it pieces together with The bosa, NEWS i
think is also. Cool And i'm a big fan of this.

Speaker 1 (01:50:46):
Move i'm really liking the off season so. FAR i
think that just Having Josh palmer was a Little Josh
palmer at the sticker price was a little. Much at,
FIRST i was, like oh, boy, YES i don't love
where this offseason. IS i saw the, NEWS i was,
like oh. Cool and THEN i kept reading to the
contract AND i was, like oh. YEAH i was, like oh,

(01:51:09):
boy we're gonna have to spend on the margins even
more THAN i, thought, like how are we, gonna you,
know make moves to make it easier for us in the.
Draft but you, know as time plays, out they found
ways Like hoyt is a really good value play and
then you pair that With bosa which is whatever you

(01:51:32):
think of what he's going to contribute this, year like
it's a good value. Risk AND i JUST i really
like the way that they're attacking this, Market like if
they do go another one year, whatever ten million For Kalais, Campbell,
like that's another really smart value. Play it's just, no

(01:51:55):
they're not. SPLASHY i Guess Joey bosa is, splashy but numbers, Like,
no these aren't splashy. Signings but it's really smart what
it's doing for the roster and how it's setting you
up for the. DRAFT i really really enjoy what they're
doing this. Year it's very. CALCULATED i think what you
said About hoyt and how he's a piece of the

(01:52:17):
puzzle and how he opens up the, MENU i kind
of feel very similarly About palmer and what he does
opening up the menu for for the wide receiver. Room
he's not A Mari, cooper but how we brought in
A Mari cooper and he opened up the menu for the.
OFFENSE i Think palmer gives you a little bit of.
That AND i just think both of those guys are

(01:52:39):
very smart value signings that open up the menu for
the team as a, whole personnel wise and.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
SCHEMATICALLY i think even Even bosa a little like is
opens up the menu a little bit, too BUT i
think is more of like a, splash but also not
like crazy like this gets hurt again and turns in
like you're you're signing him hoping he can give you
some you, know production, obviously but even if it doesn't work,

(01:53:06):
out it's it's a one. Year it's not a crazy.
Overpay they didn't give Him khalil max eighteen million or
twenty like it can go up to. FIFTY i have
no problem giving him twelve mili and even just the
one of the big things for me With vaughn, was.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
You, know his.

Speaker 3 (01:53:21):
Efficiency metrics looked great last, year BUT i thought when
you watched the, tape you, know he had some free runner.
Stuff but more more importantly than, that most of his
production from a pressure standpoint came in like three, games
like he HAD i think five Against, arizona then four Against,
miami four Against. Jacksonville so thirteen of his like thirty
something pressures came in like three. Games aside from, that

(01:53:42):
he had a bunch of like no, pressures one, pressure two,
pressures no, pressures like kind of breaking it. Up, yeah
and even just looking At bosas last, year so from
week three through week eight he had nothing because he
was banged up and then coming back out of that two,
pressures one, pressure but then out on the stretch when
he started to get a little. Healthier From week eleven
through the wildcard round eight, pressures three, pressures three, pressures five,

(01:54:07):
pressures no, pressures three, pressures three, pressures three, pressures five. Pressures, Yeah,
like this is simple. Game and if you get somebody
who is on And i'm not saying pitch, count but
you get him in more of a rotation base where
he doesn't have to do the heavy lifting on early
downs and he doesn't have to extend himself having to
play the run to earn the right to rush the quarterback.

(01:54:29):
Again LIKE i think IT'S i like the way the
edge groupings has come up. EDGED i am content with
where they are right. NOW i thought edge was a
big need this. YEAR i thought they needed to change the.
Room and With, bosa you've got, athleticism but you've got,
technicality and you've got a, hunter somebody who can go
out and do all the things that you like you

(01:54:51):
need in a little bit of different. Areas and if
he stays, healthy, Bro, like you've got a guy who
can who went healthy as a top ten edge in this.
League maybe now if he's diminished a little. Bit top, fifteen,
like he's still an edge one as a pastor if he's.
Healthy and then it's the domino effect and the force
multiplier effect of what that means for, group what that
means For, hoy what that means For. Repanessa, yeah It's.

(01:55:16):
YEAH i still can't believe it broke again while we were.

Speaker 1 (01:55:19):
Alive, NO i know that that part.

Speaker 3 (01:55:20):
IS i thought they were kidding in the chat AND
i was, like come, on like are THEY i just
saw your face light, up AND i was, like you
know what's. Funny, THOUGH i am just as EXCITED i
was for. THAT i am significantly distraught That Roy lopez
sign with another team the duality of really wanted him
AND i thought he was a good. FIT i, mean
he's a little BIT i think from archetype, standpoint they

(01:55:41):
probably want more Passor.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
Stewice he's gonna say the, interior.

Speaker 3 (01:55:45):
But, YEAH i uh, well Maybe Darius alexander From. Toledo
we'll see what was on the menu at the interior.

Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
THERE i was gonna say that our eyes shift directly
to cornerback and defensive.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
Tackle, yeah one hundred. PERCENT i think it's full steam
ahead right. Now or a corner in round one or
defensive tackling round. One, Again i'm still planting the flag
For Trey amos right. Now that is WHO i want
at at that pick thirty right. Now or it could
be defensive tackle depending on who. Falls i'm not opposed to.
EITHER i think there's a lot of ways that it could,
really uh really work out for. Them anything else On

(01:56:20):
hoait Or, Palmer.

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
No that's ALL i, got. MAN i feel like we
covered a, lot AND i Think bill's fans should really
be happy about those two.

Speaker 3 (01:56:30):
Signings, MAN i still can't. BELIEVE i can't believe they
made another signing like that.

Speaker 1 (01:56:36):
While we were so. Crazy i'm like so antsy to
start watching those of, film.

Speaker 3 (01:56:41):
Dude it took EVERYTHING i had to not be, like,
yeah so here's a. Conversation, Cha, BYE i gotta go
watch the film.

Speaker 1 (01:56:46):
Now, sorry, guys that's our instant. Reaction and, later hey,
man this is. Cool, yeah thank you so.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
Much.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
Goodbye anything.

Speaker 3 (01:56:55):
On anything you would like going forward or anything that
you may have left in the, holster the chamber or
notes that we didn't get to tonight as of now
because you know the.

Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
News, no nothing in the, notes but like, definitely just
like my eyes are right on defensive tackle and corner
in the sense THAT i just want them to get
a high floor value, signing like not even just for the,
Draft LIKE i JUST i want them to make sure

(01:57:26):
that there's something there at both positions going into the,
draft whatever it. IS i, like even looking at last,
year like The Mike edwards signing as poorly as it
panned out for, us, right but like make us signing like,
that just so you don't feel like you have.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
To give Me Mike, edwards but like one that, works
one that like you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
Know might play a, snap but it might do.

Speaker 3 (01:57:49):
Something but you know WHAT i.

Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
Mean in, concept it's just like get something at either
of those positions at value in free, agency and that
just it's What Brandon bean has conditioned me to feel
for the last like five off. Seasons so THAT'S i
want him to go and do that. NOW i want
him to show me who's that value signing a defensive

(01:58:13):
tackle THAT i can get excited about jump into the
tape for. Him who is that value signing at cornerback
that you know won't preclude us from drafting a corner,
early but also makes.

Speaker 3 (01:58:22):
Us feel a little bit safer at the. Position i'd
like to get that for, both.

Speaker 1 (01:58:25):
And if we can get one for safety as, well
that'd be a nice. Bonus but those are the three
positions That i'm just like squared in on.

Speaker 3 (01:58:33):
FAIR i, agree especially after what they've done so far
to this. Point the corner market is so tough NOW
i even see where did it or. NOT rj said
we really need A cb two and free agency and
then we.

Speaker 1 (01:58:44):
CAN bpa the.

Speaker 3 (01:58:45):
DRAFT i like this idea in. THEORY i just don't
think there's A cb two and free agency. Left it's
really Just Sante Samuel junior at this, point and there's
some health stuff from an injury, standpoint with the stinger
INJURY i mentioned on the show a couple weeks. Ago
we'll see for. That plus he does have to clean
up some of his, tackling which is an important part
of this. DEFENSE i still love him AND i take
him a, heartbeat but THE cb, two like LEGIT cb

(01:59:06):
two market is a little. Scary So kendall to your,
Point i'm kind of locks up with you a bit of,
like give me more of the depth signing a defensive.
TACKLE i do THINK cb two has to come from the.
Draft at this point that proj, says could we just
go get A Sante Samuel? Junior, then, oh real, QUICK
i want to talk about This jamie who says As
Sante Samuel junior won't tackle hard. Disagree i've got him on.

(01:59:28):
TAPE i put stuff. Out he is a very willing.
Tackler his tackling issues are two are two. Fold some
of it is due to the size and frame limitations
that he, has but the majority of, IT i would,
say probably like sixty five thirty. Five the majority of
it is due to his approach to it and then
the finishing at the tackle point and the. EXECUTION i

(01:59:49):
should say he is more than a willing tackler against running,
backs against wide, receivers but it's still an issue like
he's gonna miss. Tackles that's WHY i think it can
be cleaned up a little bit because the onto is,
there the aggression is, there the short area burst and
the trigger is. There he just needs to be better
in the technique and the. Technicality but that is it

(02:00:11):
is a hindrance to your, Point. Jamie it was, like
that is that is a fair. Point but, yeah that
corner market is, rough especially with what corners are getting paid,
now even with What fulton got, PAID i was, like oh, yeah,
yeah and what he got from a guaranteed. Perspective SO
i do think it's more of like a like a
high END cb, three low end two who just gives
you a high end floor And jackson, baby, yeah, honestly

(02:00:33):
like that's kind of what it. Is and then you
go corner in round. One BUT i, DO i do
think that's the spot right. Now it's full steam ahead for.
Corner defensive tackle needs, Attention like right now it Is
Day It's ed Day, Quon Dwayne, carter and Then loge
AND i forget who, else but you're essentially looking At

(02:00:54):
ed and Day quon right.

Speaker 1 (02:00:55):
Now i'm, still you, know.

Speaker 3 (02:01:00):
Waiting until three years to make a hard stance on a,
rookie But i'm out On Dwayne carter right. Now SO
i think The bills need two defensive, tackles not just.
One AND i Think daikon is built more to be
a number. Three SO i think you need a legit
starter opposite Of Ed oliver to Let daiquon be in
a rotation guy more than. Anything SO i, Know i'm.

(02:01:20):
Sorry joe Loves Dwayne. Carter i'm. SORRY i. KNEW i
knew you were gonna have a sad face BECAUSE i
knew you were still. Here i'm, Sorry but, yeah defensive
tackle is a big. Need you technically need a STARTER cb,
two you definitely need. One so the full steam ahead
and then. Safety, yeah like man if if starts. False
somebody asked me about Nick em And warrey in the

(02:01:41):
chat AND i forgot where it, was So i'm not
pulling it. Up Oh, josh there. Is he, Said, anthony
would you take Nick em And warry if he fell
IF i was The. Bills, NO i don't think he's a.
FIT i think he's more of a in and around
the line of scrimmage type of, safety maybe even like
a sub, package like he's more of like a package.
Linebacker then he is like a deep safety to, me

(02:02:02):
which can be.

Speaker 1 (02:02:03):
SWEET i just question the fit for The.

Speaker 3 (02:02:05):
Bills AND i also don't think for as athletic as
he is and how well he, TESTED i don't think
he plays that way on. TAPE i don't. THIN i
didn't come away from any of the games THAT i
watched being like this guy just jumps off the screen
with his athleticism in size, like he's not overly. Physical
the athleticism doesn't necessarily always show. UP i do think

(02:02:25):
he's a good, player BUT i think the right fit
is going to be, very very very important for, him
AND i don't think that right fit exists with the.
Bills Mal i, starts on the other, hand give, me give,
me give, me gim, me gim, me gimme anything, else
kind of before we say goodbye to the.

Speaker 1 (02:02:40):
People, no, man that's. All i'm really excited to see
how these.

Speaker 3 (02:02:43):
Dominos i'm jealous that It's West coast for, you and
it's only eight o'clock and you can much TAPE i
might be up.

Speaker 1 (02:02:48):
TO i gotta wake up at five to be, Trapped so,
YEAH i get up at.

Speaker 3 (02:02:54):
Five thirty every, day So i'm in a similar boat.

Speaker 1 (02:02:58):
For.

Speaker 3 (02:02:58):
Tape that's fair bum bum Bum where IS i almost
clicked the wrong? Button one By PIZZA i mentioned it
in the Intro the best pizza In, Buffalo New. York
Sweet sauce pie cup and Char, Pepperoni Great. Cheese the
sauce ratio that was For Joe, DeRosa a homemade blue

(02:03:18):
cheese that is absolutely. Splendid they also do catering. Options
they have a whole bunch of good mac and cheeses
THAT i did it for catering for an event last.

Speaker 1 (02:03:26):
Summer it was.

Speaker 3 (02:03:27):
Amazing they truly do make a tremendous amount of food
and they all are tremendous amount of, food tremendous quality
that they have in their food pizza. Regardless but the
pizza is. Awesome they have a pizza named after the
brand and the show, here which is. AWESOME i really
do think they're the best pizza In. Buffalo AND i
don't say that because they sponsored the. Show they sponsor

(02:03:47):
the show BECAUSE i think they're the best pizza In.
Buffalo and LIKE i say every, week they are good
people partnering With roswell every year to try and knock out.
Cancer THE spca, stuff The Alzheimer's foundation, stuff The toys
For tots. Stuff, yeah it's pie on says an equal
mountl pepperoni on each. Pizza Buff phil's eighty three says
homemade blue. Cheese sign me. Up it is so the
blue cheese is so good and the pizza is so.
Good SOMETIMES i don't know if Like i'm using the

(02:04:09):
pizza as just a vehicle to get the blue cheese
into my. Mouth like either, way it's just banging online
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tuning in. TONIGHT i know obviously the boats of news absolutely.
Crazy thank you very much To jason for your super.
Chats OH i missed this one From.

Speaker 1 (02:05:29):
Padden i'm so.

Speaker 3 (02:05:30):
Sorry thank you very much for your super, Chat.

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
Patten patton says, Ed, SO i don't Know kenell if
you know.

Speaker 2 (02:05:35):
This.

Speaker 3 (02:05:36):
SO i used to make the jokes all the, time
but NOW i remember. This, yeah the edgement, stuff But
padden uses it for, everything like it'll be, like, oh,
man like a sunny day. Today he'll be, like, yeah
but is it sunny enough to Move tremaine To? Edge
AND i like the verbiage here With edgeman's got both sacked.

Speaker 1 (02:05:51):
And he said it's the work in. Progress, yeah we'll
figure it. OUT i like.

Speaker 3 (02:05:54):
That that's very well. Done this is hope you are
enjoying the off season fellas we. Are thank you very
much for being. Here i'm so SORRY i missed the super,
chat but thank you very much for your super. Chat
thank you justin for your super chat just The Tippy
Canoe carl and then mister J blond twenty. Twelve appreciate
you folks for your, superchat for being. Here, YEAH i
hope you folks enjoyed this. Episode thank you very much

(02:06:15):
obviously To kendall for riding with me for two hours
on this episode and just being able to pivot because
we had a couple of years ago huge news dropped
With kendall AND i doing the Free agency reaction, stream
so this is pretty. COOL i hope you folks had
a good. Time thank you very much for tuning. In
hope you enjoyed the. Show rate, review, subscribe word of,
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(02:06:38):
selling out for all that. Stuff appreciate you. Folks if
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there just pro a N. T i hope you and
your family and friends and loved ones are all doing,

(02:06:59):
well staying. Safe be kind to one, another take care
of one.

Speaker 1 (02:07:02):
Another.

Speaker 3 (02:07:02):
Again thank you everybody tune in in, live post, live, watching,
listening whatever have. You this was super. FUN i hope
you guys had a great. Time and, again very much
and many thanks to Mister Kendall murski for making this show.
Awesome every time he stops. By, kendall it was awesome
talking involved with you and chopping it. Up appreciate. You, godspeed.
Folks see you next Week, tuesday nine Pm eastern for

(02:07:24):
another episode Of Disguis. Coverage tune into the Film room,
Tomorrow eric AND i have a very special guest who
may be a New Buffalo. Bill it's not FOLKSA i
don't want to put that in, yeah potentially someone. Else
so either see you for The Film room or see
you next week for another episode Of Disguis. Coverage until, then,
OH i like. That jim, says we need to find

(02:07:44):
you a muffin sponsor who only sells. Blueberries that's. FAIR
i like that way to tie in the. INTRO i
appreciate for next god speed it as always Go, bills

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