April 5, 2025 • 38 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
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And I am the fourth listener.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
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so we're wrapping up the week on Dogma Debate, and
of course that means we are joined by the one
(00:37):
and only mister Travis Cliburn. Welcome Travis.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Thank you for having me yet again. Virgilio. I hope
you're feeling liberated.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I'm feeling liberated from my finances, from my sanity, from
my future retirement you know.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Who needed that idea of retiring someday and figuring out
where a traveled and what to do with all that
spare time hanging over my head? Thank you for taking
it away, dear Leader Trump for.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
A one no way you know kidding? Okay, I hear you, man.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
But who does? Let's did you hear this little clip?
Is it possible. The tides are turning. I would introduce
this gentleman to you, Travis, but I am so confident
that you'll know this voice. This one of a kind,
unique voice.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh yeah, okay, let's see.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
When he said this. Let's listen to this.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Gentleman on a bad idea of how international trade wars
a fundamental misunderstanding of trade deficits. Trade deficits are a
They're an accounting procedure. Trade deficits have pretty much nothing
to do with the health of an economy. Trade wars
are in fact, not good and not easy to win,
particularly if you don't actually have a plan.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I believe that muppet was Benjamin Shapir.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I believe I believe you got that exactly right. You
commy scum, he radical leftists. This is the voice you
might not recognize, but you'll know the name. This is
Trump apologist and died in the wool right winger Larry Kudlow.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
This would be among the top three dumbest things I've
ever heard.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Oh boy, top three dumbest things he's ever heard. Boy, Trump,
can you pull it off? Because you're losing them. As
as we comedians know, when a guy's in the middle
of his stin.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
But it's like there's commit to the bit and we
all respect it, and then there's dude, you got to
bail on the bit. You got you lost him?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, you know I thought I thought the first time,
first couple of times he threatened tariffs and then pulled back.
He was he was like, Okay, I was joking. You know,
these are jokes. He came into a comedy club, you
know what I mean. I thought maybe he was doing that,
and then this was like, man, this was like, I know,
I'm a white guy who told an N word joke.
I'm going to say it again and make a list
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of them, you know what I mean. I'm going to
say it five more times and you're like, oh no,
please stop.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
That was both a good analogy and probably some truth
about Trump there, I wouldn't doubt. All Right, So I
have one more clip for you. So those are the
people that have turned on on on Donald Trump. This
is actually the Trump administration. And this would be none
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other than Scott Bessett, who is Trump's what is Scott Bessett?
He's Trump's treasure. So so those are people that have
turned against Donald Trump. This now is the Trump administration
trying to put a good face on it. And this
is the weakest explanation I have ever heard. And I
(04:03):
would love to just flip this on anything. And this
is Scott Bessett. He is the Treasury Secretary to the
United States of America, and this is his explanation for
what's going on right now.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Down across the board.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
You know, people are looking at their four one case
and they worry about it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
What do you say to them today.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Brett, I say that what we are doing is we're
setting the stage for long term economic growth. That we
were on our way to a financial crisis. You know,
I used to teach the history of financial crisis and
with that gigantic government spending, it was unsustainable. You look
back in nineteen ninety eight, you look back in seven,
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right before it looked great that everything collapsed.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So I mean, so what he's saying is because everything
was great, yeah, it was about to collapse.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah. Yeah. My friend got shot. I was driving him
to the hospital and he seemed fine and then I
killed him.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I just love that.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
So why is it that when Trump had this amazing
economy that they brag about, were they not worried like
things are great. That means they're about to collapse.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Oh yeah, I mean it's everything was kind of okay.
I mean it was fucking great until Trump did all this,
you know what I mean. I was wondering how they
were gonna spin this because, like, the numbers really don't lie.
I mean, it is an abject free fall right now.
It is pretty absolutely pandemonium.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Well they're saying, and this is just real quick little
joke I've been making, which is, boy Trump really hates Biden.
He's undoing everything Biden did, including his good economy. Like yeah,
he's like, I'll get rid of it all. But yeah,
the numbers don't lie. And you know, I talked about
it on the show yesterday. But and the formula that
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they had for reciprocal tariffs, by the way, these were
not tariffs that these were.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
What trade deficits. Yeah, trade deficits, which is I don't
know that. You know what's so weird to me about
Ben Shapiro being against that. Ben Shapiro also coined the
phrase what was it net taxes? Have you ever heard
him use that phrase before? I don't think so. So
he does it to justify they said he does it
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to justify taxing the rich less, and he basically made
up this term net taxes, meaning it costs more to
support all these poor people and they technically pay and less,
but it costs less taxes to support all these rich
people before they should pay less. So he's a man
who likes to manipulate numbers, wow and suit his own
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personal agenda. So it's pretty wild to me that Donald
Trump doing literally the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
So you might not know this, but a couple of
people have done this and it if you say to
chat GPT a few other ais, what is the best
way to do reciprocal taxes, it will literally kick out
Trump's reciprocal tariff plan.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yes, I saw that, and uh, I think I think
that shows you that none of these people are actually
doing anything. They're just telling other people to do things.
And I think it's trickled down to the twenty year
old staffers, you know, the college age staffers who are
just like, I don't know how to fucking do this,
and then they just put it in chat GPT.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, we are just like any college student. They get
an assignment, they're like, okay, you guys have to You
guys are geniuses, right, Yeah, we're genus.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
So you guys have to figure out how to do
reciprocal tariffs. Okay, yeah, you got it, man. Can you
have that on my desk tomorrow? Absolutely? Bro. They play
video games, look at porn all night, smoke weed, and
then at two in the morning they go shit and
they to chat GPT. How do I do reciprocal tariffs?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Boom spits it out.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I mean, that's honestly what it feels like. It's absolutely crazy.
So I'm I'm assuming you heard that we are doing
reciprocal tariffs against everybody except Russia. Russia, it's very strange.
But do you hear that we're doing tariffs against unoccupied,
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unpopulated territories.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Well, you see unpopulated, and I know a bunch of
filthy penguins live on that one island. I think it's
about I think it's about time these penguins start paying
their fair share, you know what I mean. They can't
even fly and they call themselves birds.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, hey, penguins, how about some of them fish? You're
hoarding all the fish for yours. They've been treating us
very unfairly. These penguins. They catch the fish. What do
they do? They eat all the fish? No fish for USh.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I like fish. Everyone less fish, Give me fish.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
So I mean yeah, I mean yeah, I've heard it
said that this is, you know, another gift to the
ultra wealthy though, you.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Know, everything goes down and then the ultra wealthy have
the capital on and to just buy it all up. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Absolutely. And in addition, there's the fact that this is
a regressive tax vis a vis the progressive tax that
they hate. So if you do tariffs, because he likes
to say, there was a time before we had income
tax and we got all our money from tariffs, you know,
and tariffs are a regressive tax, that is to say,
they disproportionately affect poor people. When the price of eggs
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goes up, poor people are affected. Rich people don't give
a rat's ass about the price of eggs, or the
price of blue jeans, or the place of ice cream,
or the price of even cars. Just so to speak,
you know, Trump kept saying over and ever again that
new word groceries. Everyone's calling them groceries.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
He doesn't even know that's what fucking going and getting
food to keep it.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Actually called it an old fashion term. He's like, I
hate the old fashioned term groceries. Nobody says it anymore,
no one, no one has said the word groceries to
me in fifty years. And it's like, yeah, that's because
you live in an ivory tower, dude.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah literally, yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Have a golden tower. No one has had to Yeah. So,
and the progressive tax, which is what income taxes are,
is just that. So the more money you make, the
more taxes you pay. Rich people hate that, right, So
if we could pay for all Trump's whatever programs or
whatever it is that the federal government's ultimately going to do,
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which it turns out is almost nothing anyway, Yeah, just
literally with tariffs that affects the poor and the rich
don't give a rad's ass.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
They don't care. Yeah, I mean, they're trying to figure
out any way possible to justify budget wise all the
basic complete cut of taxes from the ultra wealthy. Like
it's unbelievable how low their taxes are going to be.
I mean, as if they weren't already low because of
all the loopholes, they're going to be paying basically nothing now,
(11:05):
I know, trying to justify it.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I've talked about it, so many times on the show before,
But there was one candidate in twenty sixteen that was
running on make America Great Again, the concept but not
the words, and that was Bernie Sanders. Because in the
nineteen fifties, when America had its largest period of economic growth,
in the middle class grew exponentially. The top tax rates
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for the ultra ridge were much much higher than they
are now, the taxes for corporations on their profits just
on their profits, much much higher than they are now,
and everybody benefited. One earner, a family of one earner
could own a house, car, kids could go to college,
other you know, parent could stay at home, the woman
usually because it was the nineteen fifties. And yeah, I mean,
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we know that this works, that this grows the middle class.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And what's crazy is they keep they pine for that
same exact time period, but for sexist, racist reasons.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I know they want that exact same time back. That's
what that's literally the era he means when he says
great again, when it was America great post World War
Two when he was born fifties, early sixties. Yeah, and
that only exists because of basically abject socialism from fucking FDR.
Yeah yeah, unbeliever, that's not what they meant. Yeah, I know,
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they like the segregation, they like the sexism. Oh yeah,
you know, they liked the fact that you it's crazy.
I mean, look, I've said it before. I loved my
father very very much. He was a Trump supporter. He
was an honest Trump supporter. He was an Italian man,
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born in nineteen thirty five in Chicago, in a segregated city,
you know, and these were the formative years that his
neuropathways were created. And you know, it was the generations
before him telling him racist things that put these ideas
in his head. You know.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, my dad said all the time, fifties, great times,
great times. Loved the fifties, loved him.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I mean, no one's better at a little racism than Italians, though,
I gotta say they're just the best at it. Oh yeah,
I mean, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I again, but honesty is where it's at.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I have a.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
He's passed now too, But I had a very openly
racist Italian uncle, and his honesty made it so that
we did not have to argue. He said to me,
I mean I remember one time he said to me,
it was so funny. Barack Obama had been elected but
had not taken office yet before January twentieth, two thousand
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and nine, and my uncle came to visit, and you know,
George Bush crashed the economy. And my uncle says, you know,
and this this black guy comes president and all of
a sudden, the economy is terrible. I'm like, uncle, he's
not even president yet. And my uncle said to me, oh,
I am so tired of people saying that to me, Like,
(14:22):
how many people are you running around and blaming the
bad economy. I'm the black guy that's not even president yet.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I mean, how many people. It's how many people have
to tell you that before you listen to him too?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You know, yeah, I know, he's just But at the
end of Obama's term, I said to him, you know, look,
guy turned the economy around. He blamed him for this
bad economy that George Bush clearly created. And he said,
I said, what do you think? And he said, I
think Obama was the worst president in the history of
the world. And I was like, how can you think that?
And I sort of got he said I'm racist. I
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was like, okay, well that's a solid answer. I'll give
you that, no, no further questions.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
That is so impressive, you know what it is. So,
you know, me being from the country and stuff, that
obviously everyone in my family, generally, especially the older ones,
are pretty racist. But like if you call them that,
they would be so mad at you.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Me.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
No, fucking no way, man, I ain't racist at all,
but they're like, but also, he's a Kenyan Muslim needs
that is also the anti crast, you know what I mean.
And I think that's the big disconnect where I'm from.
It's like maybe in a city, you're more likely to
just be like, well, yeah, I'm pretty racist. At least
you've lived around people of color in the you know,
in the fifties and sixties. But when you're just a
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farm around the middle of nowhere, you're like, no, they're fine.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I mean I don't like them, but you know, they're fine.
You know, I made a joke I have. Everyone's got
their trolls. I've got a guy who trolls me relentlessly
on social media, right winger, and again it's I don't
know his real name. He calls mister truth be told.
Because they never, they never, they never give their real names.
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But I made a joke the other day where I said, like,
you guys sure like going back, Like I'm like, so, okay,
So now we've got the the tariffs from nineteen thirteen,
we have a measles outbreak from eighteen ninety. I'm like,
clearly you're working your way back to slavery, right, just
be honest about it. And and his first comment was
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not soon enough.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I'm like, Jesus, Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, that's crazy, man.
I get that's a semi a troll. But at the
same time, like, I don't know, man, I don't think
that conservative realized, especially working class conservatives that I grew
up with, realize that like they're gonna be the slaves now.
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They're not gonna like it's gonna be this neo feudalist
kind of future that they want where they're like the
ultimate landlords and they the billionaires, own all the land
just like feudalism, and they all own the tech to
all the companies that manufacture things for them, and they're
going to be working for him for basically free, Like, oh,
what do you want to live in the desert wasteland? Well,
(17:09):
too bad, Yeah, if you want to live here in
the not desert wasteland. You got to do everything I say.
I mean, that's yes.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I mean, let's talk for a second about one of
the desired or supposed goals of tariffs is that it'll
bolster American production, right, A lot of this stuff we
can't produce, zero point zero point in creating a trade
war over coffee beans when we can't grow coffee beans
in the United States, we can't grow bananas in America.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
You know, was it the guy from the Treasury who
said today he was like, China and Japan won't take
our rice. Like brother, that's they've been crushing it on
rice for ten thousand years. What the fuck are you
talking about? And I don't even know if that's true.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
By the way, I mean, America actually grows a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I didn't even know we made rice in America.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I think, sure, let's find let's let's let's let's get
that up. The way that Trump got his tariff policies.
Chatch yep, wow chat gpt literally said yep to me,
didn't say yes, yep. America absolutely grows rice. Exclamation point. Okay,
calm down, chatty, okay, chatty like America absolutely grows rice.
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The US is actually one of the world's major rice producers,
especially of high quality, medium and long grain varieties. Most
of the rice has grown in a few key states
are Kansas, California where I sit as we speak, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri,
and Texas. Really yeah, but they're saying that it would
bring production back. But here's the whole thing. It's like
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they're they're of two minds. People are saying, he's a genius.
This is a bargaining chip. You know that he puts
the tariffs up and that therefore he can get more
out of a trade deal with our adversaries. But they're
also saying it'll bring manufacturing back. But it can't bring
manufacturing back because in order to start a factory, get
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a factory up and running, you need to know that
those tariffs are in place for years and years to come,
because you have to know that these tariffs are going
to benefit me so that I can enter the marketplace
with at least the American marketplace with an advantage. So
it can't be both. It's a bargaining chip where I'll
take the tariffs away if you give us this, and
it's going to bring manufacturing back at the same time.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
But you're also and you're also asking asking Americans basically
to take lower paying jobs because all this manufacturing can
really only be done anymore it pretty shitty wages. Oh well, what.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Kind of jobs are we bringing back? Well, Howard Lutnik
had an answer to that question, and I think you
might be surprised. I'm not going to have all factories
come back, like clothing manufacturing, that's tough to bring back.
But what kind of manufacturing are you talking about returning here?
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Well, don't you can't just give that away. See what's
going to happen is robotics are going to replace the
cheap labor that we've seen all across the world. I mean,
think of what our factories did. They went to the
cheapest labor in the whole world, slave labor, cheap labor,
the worst environmental conditions, polluting the heck out of it.
And then we bring back those cheap products here and
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we feel good about ourselves because we don't see the pain.
But the pain is in our workers. The American workers
have been given the raw deal. And what's going to
happen now is we're going to build factories and we're
going to train.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
We're going to have trade craft.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
We're going to do the greatest set of training ever
and our high school educated people they're going to train
to do robotics mechanics. It's kind of like a superchargees
BMW mechanic, you know, like you just can fix those robots.
You can build air conditioning as an example, but that's
for a fab or for a semiconductive factory. These are
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great paying jobs that are Americans. We're gonna have five
million of those jobs coming. And America is going to retool.
It's going to do manufacturing and robotics can sew as well.
You've never seen anything like what you're going to see
the renaissance of American manufacturing coming.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
We're gonna be building, we're gonna be fixing robots.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Damn dude. So the guy right coming.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
From this terrafort right now. Way we're going to get
out of it is we're going to I guess you
never see those army hospitals that like they drop the
inflatable hospital like and within like an hour it's up
and running. It's like a hospital and it's like inflatable
inflatable factories that we're gonna build like this. We're gonna
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pull all these dummies out of high school, train them
to fix robots, and we'll have factories within a week. Uh,
robots sewing stuff and American high school students well recent
dropouts or fixing the robots. There you go. We I
wire people so confused by this plan. It's very simple.
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We're gonna build factories in the next week and have
high schoolers fixing robots.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I know, dude, it's gonna be the jin alpha public
school defunded public school to robot engineer pipeline. And I
can't wait for it, you know what I mean? Yeah,
I can't wait for these kids that are going to
be bordering on a literate in the next ten years,
immediately somehow figuring out the complexity of robotics. I can't
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wait for that.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, but you said ten years. It can't be ten years.
We can't just sit here with the Dow crashing all
day every day for ten years. It's gonna have to
be quicker a lot. We're going to ten days. Yeah,
I have one question. Maybe you can help me with
this one. So these robots they can build things, they
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can sew, Yeah, can they fix robots.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
You know, I was thinking about that for a second
as a clip was playing. I was like, I wonder
if people can have jobs building the robots. Then I
was like, what, these robots are going to be building
the robots, right, I mean, so absolutely the robot jobs
are gone.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
The fixing the robots can robots not fixed robots? Sounds
to me like they're making an argument for universal basic income.
Oh thank you, mister. That is sad that.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I'm pretty sure those are the two futures we have
in the next twenty years. We either have hyper capitalist
neo feudalism, which robots are doing all the manufacturing basically
for the one percent and people are living in a
mad max like realm, or we have some sort of
socialist universal basic income type thing happening.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Or right, well, also forget fighting to the death for
the amusement of the super rich.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, that was an option that was one
for sure, Like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
A lot of fighting to the death the amusement of
the super rich, Oh yeah, for sure. What happens when
the robots start fighting to the death for the super rich?
We get kicked out of that too, I know, And
you know they'd be better at it. Damn these robots
they already have.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Robot wars.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Wars does much better than bum fights, the weird viral
videos that go around.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, I forgot about bumfights.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Man, what a weird I mean, what are we going
to say about these tariffs that everybody isn't already saying?
So let's move on to a story that many people
may not have caught this week. Did you hear that
Laura Lumer? You know who that is?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Oh? Yeah, I would say, the most impressive maga faced
woman around. And of course you know what I mean
by maga face. She has fucked up her face, is
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, I like to say the plastic surgery is a
modern surgical technique that people undergo in order to make
themselves look like they've had plastic surgery, and that is
what she has pulled off swimmingly. Oh yeah, she walks
into a room and you're like, you've had plastic surgery.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I think a woman who looks like she's surprised all
the time is the look that they're all going for.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Oh, she's surprised that she's thirty one years old sleeping
with an eighty year old. That's the president of the
United States and now getting people fired. So she is
a conspiracy theorist. She has done stuff like chained herself
to a fence at Twitter when she got banned from
Twitter for saying stuff like she said, I am a
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proud islamophobe. She has said she has described herself as
being a pro white nationalist, and she's a nine to
eleven truther that Donald Trump brought to the nine to
eleven ceremony this last year, this last nine to eleven,
that was his date.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, and they are for sure smashing, correct. I mean,
that's you.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Can't say for sure because for one who would want
to be in the room to confirm that.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, but it's whatever, it's sketchy. She flies around with him,
She hangs out with him, and she went to the
White House with a list of disloyal employees. Donald Trump
fired nine people based apparently on her recommendation. It wasn't
that they're bad disloyal, that they were doing a bad job,
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just that they were disloyal to him.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
My god, that you know, man, I know people rag
on you know, lefties for saying not you know, it
smells like Nazi. That sounds like some super Nazi shit man.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Fascist or cultist or dear leaderist. I mean, is Kim
Jong un a Nazi?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I mean of that ilk.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It's a very good point, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I mean they're both doing some crazy stuff with their hair.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, that is true. Who told Kim Jong Un that's
a good look? You know what I mean? I guess
you don't have a choice.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, everybody, How's that? Every in North Korea told him
that's a good look.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
That's a really good point.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
The moment I.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Said it, I was like, wait a minute, No one
could tell him it was a bad look.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, that man has no critics. Have you ever done
a deep dive on him?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Oh? Yeah, he's He's probably actually gonna die soon too.
He has a lot, a lot of health problems. He's
been smoking since he was like nine years old. I
think Wow and Hed.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I think Sweden at a western style school. He was
super into the Chicago Bulls rap music. Yeah, and it
just shows that power corrupts, you know, Like he was
into rap and dressing Air Jordan's and he looked so
western in like you can see interviews with his friends,
like these Swedish kids that were like, you know, friends
(28:05):
with him. Back in the day, and they would all
hang out and listen to Public Enemy and go to
the movies. And then they were like, or you could
be the unquestioned dictator of a country. And he was like, oh, yeah,
I'll do that. That's that's even better than hanging out having fun.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Oh for sure. I mean, I mean, I couldn't even imagine,
you know, like I'd like to think i'd be a
good person. I think I might be, but I think
your average person, you'd give them god to your power
over a bunch of people. Yeah, they're feeding their uncles
to dogs. You know, they're just gonna do a bunch
of horrible shit.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, I mean, maybe that's what's up with Trump. That's
what's up with any of these cult leaders. You know,
they start with this little maybe some of you know,
who knows, maybe some cult leaders over the year started
with good intentions. But it's the second people start telling
you you're divine and you're perfect, that people are like
or that or I'll go with that. I was going with,
you know whatever, this message. But but okay, yeah, yeah
(29:01):
I am god fuck it.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I mean, yeah, that's I had a bunny of mine once.
Is a joke who's uh. We were talking in a
classroom full of people, and he was like, I'd start
a cult, but I wouldn't do all that weird sex stuff.
And I was like, no, cult starts with sex stuff. Yeah,
it starts, like you said, probably with the best of intentions,
and then after a while you're like, I could get
away with some fucking weird sex stuff. Yeah. Yeah, and
(29:24):
then you just keep doing weird sex stuff. You know,
go talk to Joseph smith Man.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
It's not a coincidence that it wasn't in the original
Invisible gold Plates that he should have as many young
wives as It's not a coincidence that that wasn't until
the you know, religion was booming and he had all
these adherents with good looking daughters that he was like,
you know, God, just funniest thing. Funniest thing. Turns out
(29:51):
the perfect creator of the universe forgot to put something
on the Invisible Golden Plate. I believe what it is.
Quite frankly, I'm embarrassed to say it. I'm in there.
I said, I'm embarrassed to say it, but he said,
I have to say it. I should be sleeping with
everyone's daughters. Yeah, did you know that the original revelation
(30:14):
that I'm not kidding. This is no joke. You can
look this up and if anyone has ever read Under
the Banner of Heaven John Krackauer's book about the Mormons,
I highly recommend it.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
It says in the original revelation that he should take
multiple wives and Missus Smith, his wife, needs to shut
up about it, God said. God said, if Missus Smith
gives him any guff, she's going She's going to hell.
Damn you, you even even a peep, and God says
(30:49):
you're going to hell. All right, let's let's close out
on something a little bit closer to home. Once, one
time liberal comedian like you and me, who maybe got
told he was divine one too many times, turned right winger,
then turned Christian Russell Brand has been formally charged with
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sexual assault and rape in England. Now these are charges
innocent until proven guilty. But I will say he knew
that these investigations were.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Going on for a long time.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
And it seems to me that you find out that
you're about to be accused by multiple women of these things,
who do you run to? You run to the camp
of people that say women who accuse powerful men of
things are liars, that is to say, the Conservatives, the Republicans,
the Maga world where everyone that's ever accused Donald Trump
of anything liar. And then you go for the perfect forgiveness.
(31:50):
And I asked an invisible wizard for forgiveness and he
gave it to me. And I mean it seemed to
me that it's just they don't seem unrelated to me.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Absolutely not. Plus, I mean, the grift on the right
is insanely lucrative. And he's a man who lives, you know,
of high means. You know, he's no cheap skate who
could live in a you know, a two bedroom ranch
house if he lost all his money. So like you
go and you just start grifting, you know. And he
(32:20):
had a pretty successful podcast, and he all he has
to do is just make a little shift, you know,
stop talking so much about consciousness. Replace consciousness with Jesus miss.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
And I will say, and I'm gonna play a clip
of him in one second. But I was a fan,
and Milman too, a lot of people were fans, and
it's just it was so disappointing that it's like Russell Brand,
this guy who thinks about philosophical ideas and humanism NonStop, NonStop.
For years and years and years, he's been pontificating on it,
talking about it. He came out one day and he
(32:53):
was like, I have figured it all out, mate, Oh
my god, what what is it? What is it, Russell?
What have you figured out? What is it? Oh my god?
I can't wait to hear this. The Bible? What the Bible?
The Bible? What about the Bible? It's perfect, the thing
(33:13):
written by goat herders in the Bronze Age. It says
stuff about stoning witches and if a woman's not a
virgin on her wedding night, and about slaves. Yeah, oh,
one hundred percent perfect, Like that's that's what you came
up with. You've been thinking about this for twenty years. Yeah,
and you finally came out and you're like, I got it.
The Bible, yep.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I mean the timing is an no coincidence. Let's be honest.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
It feels it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
All right.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
So there's that, and let me just give you quickly
his it's two cents in the matter.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Hello. Firstly, thank you for these incredible and overwhelming messages
of support. We're very fortunate in a way to live
in a time where there's so little trust in the
British government. We're very fortunate, I suppose that this is
happening at a time where we know that the law
has become a kind of weapon to be used against people, institutions,
(34:06):
and sometimes entire nations that will not accept and tolerate
levels of corruption that are unprecedented. And I'm speaking particularly
to those of you that are watching in the UK.
How do you feel about your legal system right now?
How do you feel about some of the high profile
cases that are not being pursued and prosecuted. How do
you feel that the Southport murders were handled? How do
(34:28):
you feel about the government of Keir Starmer. Now that's
just sort of general context me. I've always told you
guys that when I was young and single, before I
had my wife and family who were just about a
shot over there, my beautiful children, I was a fool man.
I was a fool before I lived in the Likely Lord.
I was a drug addict, a sex addict, and an imbecile.
(34:49):
But what I never was was a rapist. I've never
engaged in non consensual activity. I pray that you can
see that by looking in my eyes. I want to
thank all of you for your continuing support. I want
to let you know that our show will be on
Rumble on Monday. Thanks for your support.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
There, I'm not a rapist. Now plug my podcast.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
That's damn man.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Pretty shallow stuff right there. But of course he goes
after I. I it's the corruption that they're coming after
me because I'm speaking truth to power. But how does
that account for all these women over the years that
have had like did they give a rat's ass about
him speaking truth to power? And the corruption and the
fact that some murders weren't being handled correctly in UK
(35:30):
Like it's blather.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Super narcissist tactic too, to immediately kind of make or
blame a completely different entity for something that's happening to you.
So immediately go after the the entire British government and
its legal system while you're being accused of some heinous
shit like oh you know, do you even trust them?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
So you're immediately Fortunately, we live in an age when
nobody trusts the government anymore. Yeah, you're unfortunate fortunate of that.
Oh you're fortunate because you can spin this ship.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Why are you saying we exactly, Yeah, exactly, but.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I mean exactly what Eric Adams every accused powerful man
and I'm sure women as well. But the examples that
come to mind Eric Adams, you know, I was, uh,
I don't even know what he thinks he was doing.
He but he's also claiming I was going after the powerful,
So of course they came after me with these allegations.
Russell Brand, Donald Trump. I mean, the list goes on
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and on and on, and they're they're not coming after me,
They're coming after you. And I'm just standing in the
way speaking truth, right.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, I mean, well, blame everything but yourself. I mean,
you know, it's it is really I haven't heard anything
from him in a while. I kind of just tuned
out of whatever Russell Brand's doing when I heard he
got saved and loves the Lord. Now, hearing him speak
that Christian speak is really fucking gross. It is dripping
with just the most Charlatanism creepiness I've ever fucking heard.
(37:05):
I pray, I pray that you'll love me, you know me,
pray for my soul.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Oh. I've heard him go much deeper into the Christian
stuff than that. It's hard to stomach. There you go
another week in Trump's America and apparently in Cure Stormers
Britain as well. They're all corrupt because guys like Russell
Brand and Donald Trump getting attacked because one of them
(37:32):
all he did was supposedly, you know, he's being charged
with rape, and the other one all he did was
crash the world economy. Jesus, would you leave these people alone?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
And you forgot Trump also did some rape, you know,
so hey, well leave them alone? Man, Come on, why
aren't you celebrating Liberation Day?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, you want to tell people where they can find you.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Travis as always at Clyburn Comedy on everything basically and
then Burn Bears on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Sounds good man. I will see you next week and
I have a funny feeling we'll have stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna get weird.
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(00:37):
and only mister Travis Cliburn. Welcome Travis.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Thank you for having me yet again. Virgilio. I hope
you're feeling liberated.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I'm feeling liberated from my finances, from my sanity, from
my future retirement you know.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Who needed that idea of retiring someday and figuring out
where a traveled and what to do with all that
spare time hanging over my head? Thank you for taking
it away, dear Leader Trump for.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
A one no way you know kidding? Okay, I hear you, man.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
But who does? Let's did you hear this little clip?
Is it possible. The tides are turning. I would introduce
this gentleman to you, Travis, but I am so confident
that you'll know this voice. This one of a kind,
unique voice.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh yeah, okay, let's see.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
When he said this. Let's listen to this.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Gentleman on a bad idea of how international trade wars
a fundamental misunderstanding of trade deficits. Trade deficits are a
They're an accounting procedure. Trade deficits have pretty much nothing
to do with the health of an economy. Trade wars
are in fact, not good and not easy to win,
particularly if you don't actually have a plan.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I believe that muppet was Benjamin Shapir.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I believe I believe you got that exactly right. You
commy scum, he radical leftists. This is the voice you
might not recognize, but you'll know the name. This is
Trump apologist and died in the wool right winger Larry Kudlow.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
This would be among the top three dumbest things I've
ever heard.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Oh boy, top three dumbest things he's ever heard. Boy, Trump,
can you pull it off? Because you're losing them. As
as we comedians know, when a guy's in the middle
of his stin.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
But it's like there's commit to the bit and we
all respect it, and then there's dude, you got to
bail on the bit. You got you lost him?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, you know I thought I thought the first time,
first couple of times he threatened tariffs and then pulled back.
He was he was like, Okay, I was joking. You know,
these are jokes. He came into a comedy club, you
know what I mean. I thought maybe he was doing that,
and then this was like, man, this was like, I know,
I'm a white guy who told an N word joke.
I'm going to say it again and make a list
(03:08):
of them, you know what I mean. I'm going to
say it five more times and you're like, oh no,
please stop.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
That was both a good analogy and probably some truth
about Trump there, I wouldn't doubt. All Right, So I
have one more clip for you. So those are the
people that have turned on on on Donald Trump. This
is actually the Trump administration. And this would be none
(03:37):
other than Scott Bessett, who is Trump's what is Scott Bessett?
He's Trump's treasure. So so those are people that have
turned against Donald Trump. This now is the Trump administration
trying to put a good face on it. And this
is the weakest explanation I have ever heard. And I
(04:03):
would love to just flip this on anything. And this
is Scott Bessett. He is the Treasury Secretary to the
United States of America, and this is his explanation for
what's going on right now.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Down across the board.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
You know, people are looking at their four one case
and they worry about it.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
What do you say to them today.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Brett, I say that what we are doing is we're
setting the stage for long term economic growth. That we
were on our way to a financial crisis. You know,
I used to teach the history of financial crisis and
with that gigantic government spending, it was unsustainable. You look
back in nineteen ninety eight, you look back in seven,
(04:46):
right before it looked great that everything collapsed.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
So I mean, so what he's saying is because everything
was great, yeah, it was about to collapse.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah. Yeah. My friend got shot. I was driving him
to the hospital and he seemed fine and then I
killed him.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I just love that.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
So why is it that when Trump had this amazing
economy that they brag about, were they not worried like
things are great. That means they're about to collapse.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Oh yeah, I mean it's everything was kind of okay.
I mean it was fucking great until Trump did all this,
you know what I mean. I was wondering how they
were gonna spin this because, like, the numbers really don't lie.
I mean, it is an abject free fall right now.
It is pretty absolutely pandemonium.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Well they're saying, and this is just real quick little
joke I've been making, which is, boy Trump really hates Biden.
He's undoing everything Biden did, including his good economy. Like yeah,
he's like, I'll get rid of it all. But yeah,
the numbers don't lie. And you know, I talked about
it on the show yesterday. But and the formula that
(06:00):
they had for reciprocal tariffs, by the way, these were
not tariffs that these were.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
What trade deficits. Yeah, trade deficits, which is I don't
know that. You know what's so weird to me about
Ben Shapiro being against that. Ben Shapiro also coined the
phrase what was it net taxes? Have you ever heard
him use that phrase before? I don't think so. So
he does it to justify they said he does it
(06:28):
to justify taxing the rich less, and he basically made
up this term net taxes, meaning it costs more to
support all these poor people and they technically pay and less,
but it costs less taxes to support all these rich
people before they should pay less. So he's a man
who likes to manipulate numbers, wow and suit his own
(06:48):
personal agenda. So it's pretty wild to me that Donald
Trump doing literally the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
So you might not know this, but a couple of
people have done this and it if you say to
chat GPT a few other ais, what is the best
way to do reciprocal taxes, it will literally kick out
Trump's reciprocal tariff plan.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yes, I saw that, and uh, I think I think
that shows you that none of these people are actually
doing anything. They're just telling other people to do things.
And I think it's trickled down to the twenty year
old staffers, you know, the college age staffers who are
just like, I don't know how to fucking do this,
and then they just put it in chat GPT.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, we are just like any college student. They get
an assignment, they're like, okay, you guys have to You
guys are geniuses, right, Yeah, we're genus.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
So you guys have to figure out how to do
reciprocal tariffs. Okay, yeah, you got it, man. Can you
have that on my desk tomorrow? Absolutely? Bro. They play
video games, look at porn all night, smoke weed, and
then at two in the morning they go shit and
they to chat GPT. How do I do reciprocal tariffs?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Boom spits it out.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I mean, that's honestly what it feels like. It's absolutely crazy.
So I'm I'm assuming you heard that we are doing
reciprocal tariffs against everybody except Russia. Russia, it's very strange.
But do you hear that we're doing tariffs against unoccupied,
(08:24):
unpopulated territories.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Well, you see unpopulated, and I know a bunch of
filthy penguins live on that one island. I think it's
about I think it's about time these penguins start paying
their fair share, you know what I mean. They can't
even fly and they call themselves birds.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, hey, penguins, how about some of them fish? You're
hoarding all the fish for yours. They've been treating us
very unfairly. These penguins. They catch the fish. What do
they do? They eat all the fish? No fish for USh.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I like fish. Everyone less fish, Give me fish.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
So I mean yeah, I mean yeah, I've heard it
said that this is, you know, another gift to the
ultra wealthy though, you.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Know, everything goes down and then the ultra wealthy have
the capital on and to just buy it all up. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Absolutely. And in addition, there's the fact that this is
a regressive tax vis a vis the progressive tax that
they hate. So if you do tariffs, because he likes
to say, there was a time before we had income
tax and we got all our money from tariffs, you know,
and tariffs are a regressive tax, that is to say,
they disproportionately affect poor people. When the price of eggs
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goes up, poor people are affected. Rich people don't give
a rat's ass about the price of eggs, or the
price of blue jeans, or the place of ice cream,
or the price of even cars. Just so to speak,
you know, Trump kept saying over and ever again that
new word groceries. Everyone's calling them groceries.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
He doesn't even know that's what fucking going and getting
food to keep it.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Actually called it an old fashion term. He's like, I
hate the old fashioned term groceries. Nobody says it anymore,
no one, no one has said the word groceries to
me in fifty years. And it's like, yeah, that's because
you live in an ivory tower, dude.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah literally, yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Have a golden tower. No one has had to Yeah. So,
and the progressive tax, which is what income taxes are,
is just that. So the more money you make, the
more taxes you pay. Rich people hate that, right, So
if we could pay for all Trump's whatever programs or
whatever it is that the federal government's ultimately going to do,
(10:37):
which it turns out is almost nothing anyway, Yeah, just
literally with tariffs that affects the poor and the rich
don't give a rad's ass.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
They don't care. Yeah, I mean, they're trying to figure
out any way possible to justify budget wise all the
basic complete cut of taxes from the ultra wealthy. Like
it's unbelievable how low their taxes are going to be.
I mean, as if they weren't already low because of
all the loopholes, they're going to be paying basically nothing now,
(11:05):
I know, trying to justify it.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I've talked about it, so many times on the show before,
But there was one candidate in twenty sixteen that was
running on make America Great Again, the concept but not
the words, and that was Bernie Sanders. Because in the
nineteen fifties, when America had its largest period of economic growth,
in the middle class grew exponentially. The top tax rates
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for the ultra ridge were much much higher than they
are now, the taxes for corporations on their profits just
on their profits, much much higher than they are now,
and everybody benefited. One earner, a family of one earner
could own a house, car, kids could go to college,
other you know, parent could stay at home, the woman
usually because it was the nineteen fifties. And yeah, I mean,
(11:51):
we know that this works, that this grows the middle class.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And what's crazy is they keep they pine for that
same exact time period, but for sexist, racist reasons.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I know they want that exact same time back. That's
what that's literally the era he means when he says
great again, when it was America great post World War
Two when he was born fifties, early sixties. Yeah, and
that only exists because of basically abject socialism from fucking FDR.
Yeah yeah, unbeliever, that's not what they meant. Yeah, I know,
(12:28):
they like the segregation, they like the sexism. Oh yeah,
you know, they liked the fact that you it's crazy.
I mean, look, I've said it before. I loved my
father very very much. He was a Trump supporter. He
was an honest Trump supporter. He was an Italian man,
(12:50):
born in nineteen thirty five in Chicago, in a segregated city,
you know, and these were the formative years that his
neuropathways were created. And you know, it was the generations
before him telling him racist things that put these ideas
in his head. You know.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, my dad said all the time, fifties, great times,
great times. Loved the fifties, loved him.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I mean, no one's better at a little racism than Italians, though,
I gotta say they're just the best at it. Oh yeah,
I mean, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I again, but honesty is where it's at.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I have a.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
He's passed now too, But I had a very openly
racist Italian uncle, and his honesty made it so that
we did not have to argue. He said to me,
I mean I remember one time he said to me,
it was so funny. Barack Obama had been elected but
had not taken office yet before January twentieth, two thousand
(13:59):
and nine, and my uncle came to visit, and you know,
George Bush crashed the economy. And my uncle says, you know,
and this this black guy comes president and all of
a sudden, the economy is terrible. I'm like, uncle, he's
not even president yet. And my uncle said to me, oh,
I am so tired of people saying that to me, Like,
(14:22):
how many people are you running around and blaming the
bad economy. I'm the black guy that's not even president yet.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I mean, how many people. It's how many people have
to tell you that before you listen to him too?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You know, yeah, I know, he's just But at the
end of Obama's term, I said to him, you know, look,
guy turned the economy around. He blamed him for this
bad economy that George Bush clearly created. And he said,
I said, what do you think? And he said, I
think Obama was the worst president in the history of
the world. And I was like, how can you think that?
And I sort of got he said I'm racist. I
(14:55):
was like, okay, well that's a solid answer. I'll give
you that, no, no further questions.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
That is so impressive, you know what it is. So,
you know, me being from the country and stuff, that
obviously everyone in my family, generally, especially the older ones,
are pretty racist. But like if you call them that,
they would be so mad at you.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Me.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
No, fucking no way, man, I ain't racist at all,
but they're like, but also, he's a Kenyan Muslim needs
that is also the anti crast, you know what I mean.
And I think that's the big disconnect where I'm from.
It's like maybe in a city, you're more likely to
just be like, well, yeah, I'm pretty racist. At least
you've lived around people of color in the you know,
in the fifties and sixties. But when you're just a
(15:41):
farm around the middle of nowhere, you're like, no, they're fine.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I mean I don't like them, but you know, they're fine.
You know, I made a joke I have. Everyone's got
their trolls. I've got a guy who trolls me relentlessly
on social media, right winger, and again it's I don't
know his real name. He calls mister truth be told.
Because they never, they never, they never give their real names.
(16:06):
But I made a joke the other day where I said, like,
you guys sure like going back, Like I'm like, so, okay,
So now we've got the the tariffs from nineteen thirteen,
we have a measles outbreak from eighteen ninety. I'm like,
clearly you're working your way back to slavery, right, just
be honest about it. And and his first comment was
(16:27):
not soon enough.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I'm like, Jesus, Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, that's crazy, man.
I get that's a semi a troll. But at the
same time, like, I don't know, man, I don't think
that conservative realized, especially working class conservatives that I grew
up with, realize that like they're gonna be the slaves now.
(16:49):
They're not gonna like it's gonna be this neo feudalist
kind of future that they want where they're like the
ultimate landlords and they the billionaires, own all the land
just like feudalism, and they all own the tech to
all the companies that manufacture things for them, and they're
going to be working for him for basically free, Like, oh,
what do you want to live in the desert wasteland? Well,
(17:09):
too bad, Yeah, if you want to live here in
the not desert wasteland. You got to do everything I say.
I mean, that's yes.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I mean, let's talk for a second about one of
the desired or supposed goals of tariffs is that it'll
bolster American production, right, A lot of this stuff we
can't produce, zero point zero point in creating a trade
war over coffee beans when we can't grow coffee beans
in the United States, we can't grow bananas in America.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
You know, was it the guy from the Treasury who
said today he was like, China and Japan won't take
our rice. Like brother, that's they've been crushing it on
rice for ten thousand years. What the fuck are you
talking about? And I don't even know if that's true.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
By the way, I mean, America actually grows a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
I didn't even know we made rice in America.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I think, sure, let's find let's let's let's let's get
that up. The way that Trump got his tariff policies.
Chatch yep, wow chat gpt literally said yep to me,
didn't say yes, yep. America absolutely grows rice. Exclamation point. Okay,
calm down, chatty, okay, chatty like America absolutely grows rice.
(18:30):
The US is actually one of the world's major rice producers,
especially of high quality, medium and long grain varieties. Most
of the rice has grown in a few key states
are Kansas, California where I sit as we speak, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri,
and Texas. Really yeah, but they're saying that it would
bring production back. But here's the whole thing. It's like
(18:50):
they're they're of two minds. People are saying, he's a genius.
This is a bargaining chip. You know that he puts
the tariffs up and that therefore he can get more
out of a trade deal with our adversaries. But they're
also saying it'll bring manufacturing back. But it can't bring
manufacturing back because in order to start a factory, get
(19:10):
a factory up and running, you need to know that
those tariffs are in place for years and years to come,
because you have to know that these tariffs are going
to benefit me so that I can enter the marketplace
with at least the American marketplace with an advantage. So
it can't be both. It's a bargaining chip where I'll
take the tariffs away if you give us this, and
it's going to bring manufacturing back at the same time.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
But you're also and you're also asking asking Americans basically
to take lower paying jobs because all this manufacturing can
really only be done anymore it pretty shitty wages. Oh well, what.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Kind of jobs are we bringing back? Well, Howard Lutnik
had an answer to that question, and I think you
might be surprised. I'm not going to have all factories
come back, like clothing manufacturing, that's tough to bring back.
But what kind of manufacturing are you talking about returning here?
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Well, don't you can't just give that away. See what's
going to happen is robotics are going to replace the
cheap labor that we've seen all across the world. I mean,
think of what our factories did. They went to the
cheapest labor in the whole world, slave labor, cheap labor,
the worst environmental conditions, polluting the heck out of it.
And then we bring back those cheap products here and
(20:26):
we feel good about ourselves because we don't see the pain.
But the pain is in our workers. The American workers
have been given the raw deal. And what's going to
happen now is we're going to build factories and we're
going to train.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
We're going to have trade craft.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
We're going to do the greatest set of training ever
and our high school educated people they're going to train
to do robotics mechanics. It's kind of like a superchargees
BMW mechanic, you know, like you just can fix those robots.
You can build air conditioning as an example, but that's
for a fab or for a semiconductive factory. These are
(20:59):
great paying jobs that are Americans. We're gonna have five
million of those jobs coming. And America is going to retool.
It's going to do manufacturing and robotics can sew as well.
You've never seen anything like what you're going to see
the renaissance of American manufacturing coming.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
We're gonna be building, we're gonna be fixing robots.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Damn dude. So the guy right coming.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
From this terrafort right now. Way we're going to get
out of it is we're going to I guess you
never see those army hospitals that like they drop the
inflatable hospital like and within like an hour it's up
and running. It's like a hospital and it's like inflatable
inflatable factories that we're gonna build like this. We're gonna
(21:44):
pull all these dummies out of high school, train them
to fix robots, and we'll have factories within a week. Uh,
robots sewing stuff and American high school students well recent
dropouts or fixing the robots. There you go. We I
wire people so confused by this plan. It's very simple.
(22:06):
We're gonna build factories in the next week and have
high schoolers fixing robots.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I know, dude, it's gonna be the jin alpha public
school defunded public school to robot engineer pipeline. And I
can't wait for it, you know what I mean? Yeah,
I can't wait for these kids that are going to
be bordering on a literate in the next ten years,
immediately somehow figuring out the complexity of robotics. I can't
(22:33):
wait for that.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, but you said ten years. It can't be ten years.
We can't just sit here with the Dow crashing all
day every day for ten years. It's gonna have to
be quicker a lot. We're going to ten days. Yeah,
I have one question. Maybe you can help me with
this one. So these robots they can build things, they
(22:55):
can sew, Yeah, can they fix robots.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
You know, I was thinking about that for a second
as a clip was playing. I was like, I wonder
if people can have jobs building the robots. Then I
was like, what, these robots are going to be building
the robots, right, I mean, so absolutely the robot jobs
are gone.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
The fixing the robots can robots not fixed robots? Sounds
to me like they're making an argument for universal basic income.
Oh thank you, mister. That is sad that.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I'm pretty sure those are the two futures we have
in the next twenty years. We either have hyper capitalist
neo feudalism, which robots are doing all the manufacturing basically
for the one percent and people are living in a
mad max like realm, or we have some sort of
socialist universal basic income type thing happening.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Or right, well, also forget fighting to the death for
the amusement of the super rich.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, that was an option that was one
for sure, Like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
A lot of fighting to the death the amusement of
the super rich, Oh yeah, for sure. What happens when
the robots start fighting to the death for the super rich?
We get kicked out of that too, I know, And
you know they'd be better at it. Damn these robots
they already have.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Robot wars.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Wars does much better than bum fights, the weird viral
videos that go around.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, I forgot about bumfights.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Man, what a weird I mean, what are we going
to say about these tariffs that everybody isn't already saying?
So let's move on to a story that many people
may not have caught this week. Did you hear that
Laura Lumer? You know who that is?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Oh? Yeah, I would say, the most impressive maga faced
woman around. And of course you know what I mean
by maga face. She has fucked up her face, is
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, I like to say the plastic surgery is a
modern surgical technique that people undergo in order to make
themselves look like they've had plastic surgery, and that is
what she has pulled off swimmingly. Oh yeah, she walks
into a room and you're like, you've had plastic surgery.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I think a woman who looks like she's surprised all
the time is the look that they're all going for.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Oh, she's surprised that she's thirty one years old sleeping
with an eighty year old. That's the president of the
United States and now getting people fired. So she is
a conspiracy theorist. She has done stuff like chained herself
to a fence at Twitter when she got banned from
Twitter for saying stuff like she said, I am a
(25:41):
proud islamophobe. She has said she has described herself as
being a pro white nationalist, and she's a nine to
eleven truther that Donald Trump brought to the nine to
eleven ceremony this last year, this last nine to eleven,
that was his date.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, and they are for sure smashing, correct. I mean,
that's you.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Can't say for sure because for one who would want
to be in the room to confirm that.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, but it's whatever, it's sketchy. She flies around with him,
She hangs out with him, and she went to the
White House with a list of disloyal employees. Donald Trump
fired nine people based apparently on her recommendation. It wasn't
that they're bad disloyal, that they were doing a bad job,
(26:31):
just that they were disloyal to him.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
My god, that you know, man, I know people rag
on you know, lefties for saying not you know, it
smells like Nazi. That sounds like some super Nazi shit man.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Fascist or cultist or dear leaderist. I mean, is Kim
Jong un a Nazi?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I mean of that ilk.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It's a very good point, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I mean they're both doing some crazy stuff with their hair.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, that is true. Who told Kim Jong Un that's
a good look? You know what I mean? I guess
you don't have a choice.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, everybody, How's that? Every in North Korea told him
that's a good look.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
That's a really good point.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
The moment I.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Said it, I was like, wait a minute, No one
could tell him it was a bad look.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, that man has no critics. Have you ever done
a deep dive on him?
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Oh? Yeah, he's He's probably actually gonna die soon too.
He has a lot, a lot of health problems. He's
been smoking since he was like nine years old. I
think Wow and Hed.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I think Sweden at a western style school. He was
super into the Chicago Bulls rap music. Yeah, and it
just shows that power corrupts, you know, Like he was
into rap and dressing Air Jordan's and he looked so
western in like you can see interviews with his friends,
like these Swedish kids that were like, you know, friends
(28:05):
with him. Back in the day, and they would all
hang out and listen to Public Enemy and go to
the movies. And then they were like, or you could
be the unquestioned dictator of a country. And he was like, oh, yeah,
I'll do that. That's that's even better than hanging out having fun.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Oh for sure. I mean, I mean, I couldn't even imagine,
you know, like I'd like to think i'd be a
good person. I think I might be, but I think
your average person, you'd give them god to your power
over a bunch of people. Yeah, they're feeding their uncles
to dogs. You know, they're just gonna do a bunch
of horrible shit.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, I mean, maybe that's what's up with Trump. That's
what's up with any of these cult leaders. You know,
they start with this little maybe some of you know,
who knows, maybe some cult leaders over the year started
with good intentions. But it's the second people start telling
you you're divine and you're perfect, that people are like
or that or I'll go with that. I was going with,
you know whatever, this message. But but okay, yeah, yeah
(29:01):
I am god fuck it.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I mean, yeah, that's I had a bunny of mine once.
Is a joke who's uh. We were talking in a
classroom full of people, and he was like, I'd start
a cult, but I wouldn't do all that weird sex stuff.
And I was like, no, cult starts with sex stuff. Yeah,
it starts, like you said, probably with the best of intentions,
and then after a while you're like, I could get
away with some fucking weird sex stuff. Yeah. Yeah, and
(29:24):
then you just keep doing weird sex stuff. You know,
go talk to Joseph smith Man.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
It's not a coincidence that it wasn't in the original
Invisible gold Plates that he should have as many young
wives as It's not a coincidence that that wasn't until
the you know, religion was booming and he had all
these adherents with good looking daughters that he was like,
you know, God, just funniest thing. Funniest thing. Turns out
(29:51):
the perfect creator of the universe forgot to put something
on the Invisible Golden Plate. I believe what it is.
Quite frankly, I'm embarrassed to say it. I'm in there.
I said, I'm embarrassed to say it, but he said,
I have to say it. I should be sleeping with
everyone's daughters. Yeah, did you know that the original revelation
(30:14):
that I'm not kidding. This is no joke. You can
look this up and if anyone has ever read Under
the Banner of Heaven John Krackauer's book about the Mormons,
I highly recommend it.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
It says in the original revelation that he should take
multiple wives and Missus Smith, his wife, needs to shut
up about it, God said. God said, if Missus Smith
gives him any guff, she's going She's going to hell.
Damn you, you even even a peep, and God says
(30:49):
you're going to hell. All right, let's let's close out
on something a little bit closer to home. Once, one
time liberal comedian like you and me, who maybe got
told he was divine one too many times, turned right winger,
then turned Christian Russell Brand has been formally charged with
(31:11):
sexual assault and rape in England. Now these are charges
innocent until proven guilty. But I will say he knew
that these investigations were.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Going on for a long time.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
And it seems to me that you find out that
you're about to be accused by multiple women of these things,
who do you run to? You run to the camp
of people that say women who accuse powerful men of
things are liars, that is to say, the Conservatives, the Republicans,
the Maga world where everyone that's ever accused Donald Trump
of anything liar. And then you go for the perfect forgiveness.
(31:50):
And I asked an invisible wizard for forgiveness and he
gave it to me. And I mean it seemed to
me that it's just they don't seem unrelated to me.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Absolutely not. Plus, I mean, the grift on the right
is insanely lucrative. And he's a man who lives, you know,
of high means. You know, he's no cheap skate who
could live in a you know, a two bedroom ranch
house if he lost all his money. So like you
go and you just start grifting, you know. And he
(32:20):
had a pretty successful podcast, and he all he has
to do is just make a little shift, you know,
stop talking so much about consciousness. Replace consciousness with Jesus miss.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
And I will say, and I'm gonna play a clip
of him in one second. But I was a fan,
and Milman too, a lot of people were fans, and
it's just it was so disappointing that it's like Russell Brand,
this guy who thinks about philosophical ideas and humanism NonStop, NonStop.
For years and years and years, he's been pontificating on it,
talking about it. He came out one day and he
(32:53):
was like, I have figured it all out, mate, Oh
my god, what what is it? What is it, Russell?
What have you figured out? What is it? Oh my god?
I can't wait to hear this. The Bible? What the Bible?
The Bible? What about the Bible? It's perfect, the thing
(33:13):
written by goat herders in the Bronze Age. It says
stuff about stoning witches and if a woman's not a
virgin on her wedding night, and about slaves. Yeah, oh,
one hundred percent perfect, Like that's that's what you came
up with. You've been thinking about this for twenty years. Yeah,
and you finally came out and you're like, I got it.
The Bible, yep.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I mean the timing is an no coincidence. Let's be honest.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
It feels it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
All right.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
So there's that, and let me just give you quickly
his it's two cents in the matter.
Speaker 6 (33:46):
Hello. Firstly, thank you for these incredible and overwhelming messages
of support. We're very fortunate in a way to live
in a time where there's so little trust in the
British government. We're very fortunate, I suppose that this is
happening at a time where we know that the law
has become a kind of weapon to be used against people, institutions,
(34:06):
and sometimes entire nations that will not accept and tolerate
levels of corruption that are unprecedented. And I'm speaking particularly
to those of you that are watching in the UK.
How do you feel about your legal system right now?
How do you feel about some of the high profile
cases that are not being pursued and prosecuted. How do
you feel that the Southport murders were handled? How do
(34:28):
you feel about the government of Keir Starmer. Now that's
just sort of general context me. I've always told you
guys that when I was young and single, before I
had my wife and family who were just about a
shot over there, my beautiful children, I was a fool man.
I was a fool before I lived in the Likely Lord.
I was a drug addict, a sex addict, and an imbecile.
(34:49):
But what I never was was a rapist. I've never
engaged in non consensual activity. I pray that you can
see that by looking in my eyes. I want to
thank all of you for your continuing support. I want
to let you know that our show will be on
Rumble on Monday. Thanks for your support.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
There, I'm not a rapist. Now plug my podcast.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
That's damn man.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Pretty shallow stuff right there. But of course he goes
after I. I it's the corruption that they're coming after
me because I'm speaking truth to power. But how does
that account for all these women over the years that
have had like did they give a rat's ass about
him speaking truth to power? And the corruption and the
fact that some murders weren't being handled correctly in UK
(35:30):
Like it's blather.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Super narcissist tactic too, to immediately kind of make or
blame a completely different entity for something that's happening to you.
So immediately go after the the entire British government and
its legal system while you're being accused of some heinous
shit like oh you know, do you even trust them?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
So you're immediately Fortunately, we live in an age when
nobody trusts the government anymore. Yeah, you're unfortunate fortunate of that.
Oh you're fortunate because you can spin this ship.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Why are you saying we exactly, Yeah, exactly, but.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I mean exactly what Eric Adams every accused powerful man
and I'm sure women as well. But the examples that
come to mind Eric Adams, you know, I was, uh,
I don't even know what he thinks he was doing.
He but he's also claiming I was going after the powerful,
So of course they came after me with these allegations.
Russell Brand, Donald Trump. I mean, the list goes on
(36:32):
and on and on, and they're they're not coming after me,
They're coming after you. And I'm just standing in the
way speaking truth, right.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, I mean, well, blame everything but yourself. I mean,
you know, it's it is really I haven't heard anything
from him in a while. I kind of just tuned
out of whatever Russell Brand's doing when I heard he
got saved and loves the Lord. Now, hearing him speak
that Christian speak is really fucking gross. It is dripping
with just the most Charlatanism creepiness I've ever fucking heard.
(37:05):
I pray, I pray that you'll love me, you know me,
pray for my soul.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Oh. I've heard him go much deeper into the Christian
stuff than that. It's hard to stomach. There you go
another week in Trump's America and apparently in Cure Stormers
Britain as well. They're all corrupt because guys like Russell
Brand and Donald Trump getting attacked because one of them
(37:32):
all he did was supposedly, you know, he's being charged
with rape, and the other one all he did was
crash the world economy. Jesus, would you leave these people alone?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
And you forgot Trump also did some rape, you know,
so hey, well leave them alone? Man, Come on, why
aren't you celebrating Liberation Day?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, you want to tell people where they can find you.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Travis as always at Clyburn Comedy on everything basically and
then Burn Bears on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Sounds good man. I will see you next week and
I have a funny feeling we'll have stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna get weird.
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