May 8, 2025 • 31 mins
A recent viral clip of a racist "trad wife" from the Piers Morgan Show sent me down a rabbit hole. In this episode we enter the world of the women embracing the traditional role of wife. Staying at home, having babies, cleaning and cooking for their husband and being a trad wife. More at dogmadebate.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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and join our patreon. Okay, where to even freaking start
(00:32):
with this one? Did you see the Of course you
saw it. Everyone saw it, the Peers Morgan clip of
a woman her name is Lily gaddis saying some intensely
messed up stuff America twenty twenty five. So I'm gonna
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play the clip in a second because it frames the
context of all this. But what got me was she
was she was identified as a t wife, that is
to say, a traditional wife, and because of this clip,
it sent me down a bit of a rabbit hole.
I don't think I fully understood what a movement the
trad wife thing is, so I did some research, and
(01:14):
I'd like to share that research with you guys. But
let's go ahead and start with this doozy of a
clip from the Peers Morgan Show.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Here's the thing. White people have been under attack for years.
It's been systematic racism as much as black people and
people of color want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Okay, just off the bat, that's systemic racism, systemic And
I don't feel bad calling this woman freaking idiot because
of the things she's about to say. But anybody can
have a slip of the tongue. But that's one of
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two things she's about to screw up in this pre
racist diatribe, just illustrating that she's just a freaking idiot.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Nomout of racism in the United States, it's quite the opposite.
They get preferential treatment when it comes to getting a job,
when it comes to get in getting into colleges. White people,
on the other hand, hand, have been getting attacked relentlessly.
Look at twenty sixteen and BLM and all the riots.
We just had to sit back and watch people burn
down our cities and do nothing about it.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So the way, okay, there's number two BLM riots as
they are called, was not twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, Like,
just know what the hell you're talking about, You freaking idiot, like,
don't start your diatribe by broadcasting I'm an idiot. Not
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that the next thing she says, doesn't you know, put
the final final idiot stamp on her forehead. But okay,
so there's the two things that kind of stuck in
my craw.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Okay, buy on. Sorry, Just to be clear, this has
got nothing to do with anything you just said. This
is a disgusting racist woman who repeatedly spews the M word,
first at a young child and then at the person
taking the video of her, does it with complete impunity,
does it numerous times. We are talking about a bona
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fide a un questionable racist. So I don't understand why
what you've just said to me bears any relation to
white unity or anything you've just said. She's just a racist,
and isn't she You wouldn't dispute it.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
It's not about her. It's not about her, it's about well,
it's about coming together and supporting another white person.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And it doesn't matter what would you want to support
a white racist?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Because I want to support free speech and you cannot
have free speech in the country.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
That's fine, you can support free speech, but you also
have to be accountable. For what you say she is
I mean, would you use the N word out of interest?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yes, you would, I do quite frankly.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
You use the N word quite frequently. Well, why other
than the fact you're a despicable racist? Are you?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I some would say I am a guess, according to
the ad L, I'm a white supremacist, I'm a neo Nazi. Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
If you use the N word repeatedly, you are you
are a racism? Are you you that?
Speaker 4 (04:17):
If that? If that means forwarding? Uh, you know, helping
white people achieve freedom of speech, real freedom of speech, which,
by the way, I mean Charlo Hendrix is being attacked
on off fronts. They're trying to bring legal charges against her.
They're trying to get her children taken away. So you
were saying that, Carmelo Anthony, it doesn't matter that that's
a differ.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Just to be clear, you just said to me you
use the N word regularly. In what context do you
use it with black people?
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Ah? Yes, if if, if it's appropriate.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
When would it be appropriate? Whomen it be appropriate?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Anytime I feel like it?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So you're just you're unashamed racist?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Correct?
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
What is happening in our country? So that's Lily Gaddis, tradwife,
traditional wife. I am certainly not going to paint all
tradwives or traditional wives with the Lily Gaddis brush. But
let's just dive a little more into who she is
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and then we can we can expand a little bit
out because if you go to her Instagram page, well
she's not for one, she's got that clip all over.
She's proud of it. That's that's her shining moment as
far as she's concerned. And when you see some of
her other videos you'll see why. Let's check those out.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
And you know what infuriates me is like these churches
went there and they had a whole like Mexican section.
Thes are in there, they have their own like pews,
they've got those what are those tam are they called.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Tambourines Mexican instrument?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
I think super annoying, Like I don't know who wants
to listen to that. I'm sitting in the back row
right behind these beaners and I'm and he's like hitting
his little tambourine right there, and they're raising hell. And
then they get up and they do with their own
little choir because they got a whole Mexican outreach. What
is wrong with you?
Speaker 7 (06:12):
Really?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
This is what our churches are doing, Like we're welcoming
immigrants when there's like poor white people. There's like plenty
of poor white people that could use some help.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Christianity has a feminism problem right now. Like I'm told, oh,
go find yourself a conservative girl at church.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
The girls at church have septim piercings and pink hair
as well.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Like there's a lot of feminists at church. And then
you go to like your local mega church and they're
singing and dancing, and then like the girls in the
front row at your local megachurch like putting their hands
up like this. And then those same girls are like
doing cocaine and hooking up with black guys on the weekend, literally.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Which is unforgivable, not the cocaine part, but the black guys.
That part is.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
I can forgive cocaine, use I cannot forgive a white
girl hooking up with a black guy.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
That's like.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I feel like the cocaine is a gateway to the
black men though, because that's the dealers, right.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
Yes, yeah, yeah, they're exactly Literally, that's what happens in
uh where I live.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I've seen my firsthand what the actual ah, my brain
is splitting in two. Okay, let's be clear. Uleig Addis
is a blonde haired conservative, Trump loving She just happens
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to be sorry, Christian white woman, which is Look, I
did a lot of research. I'm this is not a
scientific fact I'm about to state. But as are most tradwives.
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I mean, I didn't come across any that weren't white.
They're all one hundred percent Christian, and most of them
are blonde. Just a thing. But that's the Trump thing.
I think they know that Trump likes blonde, so they've
all bleached their hair. That's a theory I have. That's
neither here nor there. So what is tradwife. It's traditional wife,
traditional wife.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
It's a.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It's a reaction to feminism. And they're very open about that.
And they they they are all about homemaking and having
babies and having no job, and and they clean all day,
they cook all day. They tend to cook everything from scratch,
or so they say. And when their hard working husband
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comes home, they have a hot meal for him. He
is the king of the castle. Well, let's let's let's
dive in a little bit to some tradwife content. Let's
let's let them tell you what being a triadwife is.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Number one rule as a tried wife, this is your
duty as a wife. A man's home is his castle,
so he should be treated as a king. He's working
a stressful job, maybe working long hours, just so he
can provide for you and the family, so he rightfully
deserves peace. At being said, it's every wife's duty to
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appreciate her man and all his hard work. Show him
how much you truly appreciate him.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Okay, he is your king and you are his queen.
That is your duty.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
We're tradwives.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
We believe in general rules and our marriage.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
We're trackwives.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
We believe a clean home is a happy home for
trad wives always over our husbands.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
We're trad wives.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
We choose to stay home and support.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Our husband's Tridwives we always have dinner ready when our
husbands get off.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Horror.
Speaker 8 (09:50):
Tradwives.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
We always satisfy our husband's needs.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Trodwives, we would be caught dead in a bar or
club without our husband. Tradwives.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
We always respect and appreciate our husbands by their heartwre Okay,
that particular trad wife again, blonde, super young, looked about
about twenty two, maybe traditionally good looking by the American esthetic.
Here's another one.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
Yes, I wear makeup pretty much every day around my husband.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
And here's why.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
That's when I was single and I would go on dates,
I would get already right, I would put on makeup.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I would do my hair, I would sprass up for a.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Few I would want to present my best to the
guys I was going on dates with. So I figured
that if those guys, those random guys that I wasn't
even committed to, that weren't committed to me, that were
just taking me on a date, if they got to
see the best side of me, the most put together
side of me, shouldn't my husband.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
So prep my man's lunch with me.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I'm going to show you, guys a right tunapasta salad
recipe that's what he's getting, and a piece of pumpkin bread.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I made it yesterday.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
It's on my channel as well, So let's get cooking.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
So this is the picture of the trad wife, young
attractive woman on the surface. Let's be clear, there's nothing
wrong with that. If that's your choice, so be it.
Make that choice. You know, I have some insights I
might want to add to a tried wife, but there's
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nothing wrong with wanting to stay home, raise the kids,
clean the house. Wow. Did I just say that. I
felt like a freaking misogynistic piece of garbage saying that,
So maybe there is something wrong with it, Like I'm
trying to be open minded to this mentality. But okay,
let's just start with the litany of problems. Number one,
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these are all creators. They don't not have a job.
Creator is their job, and they have millions of followers.
They're all big or not all, but the ones that
I'm showing you, they have millions of followers. The videos
get millions of views, which means they make tens of
thousands of dollars a month off of these videos. So
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they don't not have a job. They're just content creators
who have made this persona of being a trad wife.
I hate to say it, their stick the real tradwifs
traditional wives, because last time I checked, traditional refers to
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from the past. Traditional wives didn't have Instagram and iPhones
and filters, which they certainly do. And when pressed what
era is it that traditionally you look to, most of
them say the fifties. They all kind of dress nineteen fifties.
In fact, the woman that was just making lunch for
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her man and inviting you along, she straight up as
doing a Marilyn Monroe esque thing, like that's her vibe.
But don't take my word for it. Let's ask a
trad wife why.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
I think it's been really interesting to see how shocked
people are by the term tried wife and how they sem.
I think it's some new way of living, like it's
some unprecedented new trend, Like have you seen these millennial
and Gen Z girls. They just want to be at
home with their kids. They want to have husbands, and
they want to take care of their husands. They want
to cook, and they want to clean, and they want
to wear dresses. It's insane when in reality it's literally
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like the oldest lifestyle in the book. Before this, they
were just called stay at home moms, and before that
they were just called women. But now our society has
gone so far in the feminist direction that anybody who
wants to live like a little bit old school and
a little bit like how women used to live is fringe, right,
like an extremist. And I just think about how so
many of us since we were little. We were raised
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in this kind of boss babe feminist society that told
us you can be so much more than just a mom,
you can be so much more than just a wife.
And so many of us listened, and we, you know,
tried to climb corporate ladders, and we boss babed so hard.
Now like we're we're a little bit boss babed out,
and some of us want to go a little bit
more back to our roots, to our ancestors. So the
women who came before us and live a little bit more,
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you know, like they did, call us crazy.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
But we like babies.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
We want to have babies. We want to spend the
very few years that we have of them being little
with them. We like cooking, we like running a home.
We like supporting our husbands and having good marriages. And yes,
we also appreciate cute dresses the audacity. So call them
trib wives, call them stay at home moms, call them
whatever you want. But just know that no matter how
much you try and push the career and the boss
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babe and the feminist lifestyle onto women, there will always
be women who naturally want a more traditional.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Lifestyle, right, and I think she makes some good points
there that it is a reaction to feminism. For every action,
there's an opposite and equal reaction. Well, that might be
true in physics. I don't know if that's true with sociology.
But let's go over a few realities here. A, this
is a privileged lifestyle. I just want to stay at
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home and let my husband do all the work. Well,
your husband, Metter be freaking rich. A, so right there.
This is not a life style style choice any woman
could make. This is a lifestyle choice a rich woman
could make. This is not a lifestyle choice that a
feminist or a liberal woman would necessarily make. This is Christian.
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This is mostly evangelical Christian women. Now, she says that
they are just going back to a traditional wife. But
you don't need to go back to the fifties to
see that this is a traditional wife. This is still
a traditional wife in countries where women don't have choices
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as to a career and as to pursuing something that
might be fulfilling outside of the gender role of wife.
The Taliban insists that women live the exact same lifestyle
you're living. You are not so different than what they're doing.
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And let's talk about the women that they look up
to in the fifties, what did those women want, or
even go back further than that, to the turn of
the last century, the nineteen hundreds, when women had no
choice but to be a trad wife. Those women wanted
to throw that off. Those women fought hard against that.
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Of course, there were women that were not of that
mindset that wanted to delive a traditional wife lifestyle. A
certain number of women voted, or a certain number of
women were against a woman's right to vote. I almost
said they voted against a women's right to vote. That
would have been crazy. They were against a women's right
to vote. They were against feminism. I remember distinctly the
nun at my Catholic church, sister Lorraine. She hated feminists,
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hated feminists. So the women that you look up to,
or you say you look up to, they didn't want
what you want. They wanted something more. And I think
that that is the natural reaction to if all women
were put in a trad wife lifestyle. What happens if you,
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with your Instagram followers and your perfect hair and your
dresses and your makeup inspire a nineteen year old not
to go to college and to marry her boyfriend and
start a traditional life. And let's say, because life is hard,
he can't make that much money. She's not adding to
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the financial situation of the household. She's a trad wife.
So now you've kind of condemned these beautiful children and
babies that you want to have so bad to living
in poverty, which was the case with a lot of
trad wifes when every wife was a trad wife. And
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you might say, hey, you know, Virgilio, for a straight
white guy to sit there and pooh pooh this idea,
that's a little messed up too, to which I say, hey,
I'm just drawing inspiration from from the trad wifs and
saying I'm all for freedom of speech. I get to
have an opinion, and this is something that kind of
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galls me. And let's also talk about the corollary to
the trad wife that they look up to so much,
the trad husband. Are we also promoting that because there
was a time when the husband kind of didn't think
of the wife as an equal. Sure, she stayed home
and cleaned and cooked and did all these things, but
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that's because she had to and he didn't feel a
need to help raise the kids. And look, this is
not saying every father. I'm talking about through traditional role
of the husband. The traditional role of the husband was
gout drinking with the boys. I mean, this is just
me using stereotypes. But when the wife was in labor
at the hospital, the husband was on the golf course
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having a whiskey at three o'clock in the afternoon. Do
we want to go back to the trad husband as well?
When looking into this phenomenon, I came across this many
trad wives will use Book of Proverbs, chapter thirty one
as a rationale for the trad life. Trad tradwife life.
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It's a trad wife life. A woman should rise during
the dark, fearing the lord, having strong arms, and working
with flax. Let's talk about one trad wife that I
found particularly interesting in that be Gwenn Swinnerton. She's pivoted
away from making videos on only fans and making ASMR
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content for YouTube. You know what, I'm gonna be honest
with you, guys, I don't know what that is, and
I'm gonna look that up right now.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I've looked it up and I still don't really know
what it is to be honest with you. It stands
for autonomous sensory meridian response. It's a term used to
disc describe a tingling sensation that some people experience in
response to certain visual auditori tactile stimuli. The sensation typically
begins on the scalp and moves down the back of
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the neck and spine. Common ASMR triggers include whispering, tapping,
or scratching sounds, slow deliberate movements, personal attention scenarios, haircuts
or makeup application, or soft crinkling or brushing sounds. Color
me surprised. I'm not entirely sure I know what that is. Okay,
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So she was an OnlyFans model. Getting back to Gwen,
So I watched some of her videos. She basically went
from from what I understand, taking off her clothes and
making money off of only fans to meeting a rich
guy and embracing the tradwife lifestyle. I'm looking for a
shrad bwife.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Sourda Harmstead, crunchy eats meat, butter once, kids, chickens, tinfoil
teller content, Jesus.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I want to play you. One of the videos that
struck me as particularly kooky. And I also thought it
was interesting that she is the star of this video
and she's posing in pretty dresses with all her makeup on,
but it's her husband that does the voiceover. Perhaps a
woman doesn't speak in her home.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
So if you have millions of women on pharmaceutical birth
control and they're all urinating in the municipal water and
then that water in most cities, that I'm not mistaken
is then you know, clean air quotes and then recycled
into the municipal drinking water supply. Anyone who's drinking that
water is essentially micro dosing.
Speaker 9 (21:36):
And there it is.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Of course, there's crazy conspiracy theories in there. We're all
microdosing birth control. Seems to me if it was a microdose,
probably wouldn't be too effective. But maybe there's something to that.
But again, this is all kind of far right Christian stuff.
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That one just struck me as weird. So what would
a woman say, What would a tradwife say to these criticisms? Well,
they've addressed it.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
I'm not on pause from a career. This is my career.
Speaker 9 (22:12):
I'm not wasting my college education, wasting my talent.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Or wasting my time.
Speaker 9 (22:17):
I don't long for a dream job or dream about
the day I can go back to work. This is
my dream job. This is the greatest work I will
ever do.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
There, you have it. This is the greatest career. This
is the decision I have made. This is what I
want to do. Well, let's see if there's a flaw
in that reasoning. Maybe there's a trad wife out there
that thought just like you when she was younger. Of
course there is. Let's listen to this video.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
I want to start this video by saying that I'm
not asking for many and I'm not asking for sympathy.
What I'm asking for is if you were a young fourteen, sixteen,
twenty one year old girl, Listen up. I drove to
the grocery store. I need to grab some milk and
bread in a couple of things flipped up and the
paint gap on my phone, and I've been sitting in
my car crying ever since because I never have enough money.
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And why do I never have enough money? Because when
I was a nineteen year old girl, I fell in love.
My Mormon faith told me that I was supposed to
be a stray at home mom. I got married, I
started having babies, I dropped out of college. I never
had a career. My only jobs that I ever had
in life were a waitress at the Olive Garden and
managing a pretzel maker in a mall. Oh my first
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couple years of marriage, I decided that I wanted to
be an entrepreneur, so that I bought a windshield business.
I was twenty and my Mormon state president reminded me
that women weren't supposed to work. So I quit my
own business, handed it over my husband took my name
off of it. I would work our family business throughout
the next twenty four years of my marriage, but I
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never got paid. I didn't have a salary. My name
wasn't on it. I literally worked for room and board.
That's it. I would eventually also launch a custom home
building company with my uncle as the architect and my
friends is the builder, my designs, my realtor. But again
because my husband was the man, his name was on
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all of the projects, his name was on the business.
I remember one of the last custom homes that I built,
we sold it and made about a two hundred and
sixty thousand dollars profit. That money I went into his
bank account. I didn't even have a bank account. I
should have said that in the beginning, I never had
a bank account. He would give me little envelopes of
cash to go grocery shopping with. Anyway that house sales,
money goes in the bank. I just asked if I
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could buy myself a piano with the many I had
worked on building that house for two years. All of
the money went into his bank account. Nothing was under
my name. I got a piano, and I got a
free house to live in, and I got groceries. So
I found myself divorced at age forty four, just five
years ago, and within just a few months I was
living in my well. He made about a quarter million dollars.
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He would eventually quit that job so that he wouldn't
have to pay alimony and child support. He's only paid
alimony one time ever.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, the trap door beneath the feet of every trad
wife should be visible, But maybe they've put a frilly
carpet over it. But you've given the man all the
power and you have none. You have no life experience.
What happens if he dies? What if he does love
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you and he just dies? Better have been pretty rich
and left you a lot of money, but more likely
than not. What if these twenty year old tradwives that
are so cute and so done up turned forty four
and this guy that was so into having a wife
that didn't work and wore dresses and makeup at home
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and cooked him his dinner is actually a shallow piece
of shit, and that's what he was into. And when
you turn forty four and you look like a forty
four year old, this shallow piece of shit that was
cool with a wife that didn't have interests or a
career outside of cooking him freaking dinner does like all
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pieces of shit, and he starts cheating on you. So
I'm just some dude who cares what I think. Right,
let's talk to the professionals. There is actually an article
in Psychology Today about trad wives. It basically examines how
strict adherence to traditional gender roles within the tradwife lifestyle
can lead to learned helplessness. Women who focus solely on
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domestic tasks may not developed essential skills like financial management,
leaving them vulnerable in situations like divorce.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Why is trad life.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Content suddenly flowing out?
Speaker 9 (26:50):
It's become a popular topic because women my age and
older that have gotten divorced and have thrown decades of
their lives down the toilet, doing the laundry and dishes.
They're trying to warn you. You and else like you
are intentionally dancing around the point. We're trying to tell
you why this content is harmful, and I sincerely hope
that you listen. You are not a traditional wife. You
are on the internet and you work. Those of us
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were actual stay at home moms that were traditional wives
and mothers. We didn't have that luxury No four oh
one K in our names. The difference between you and
the people that you're trying to make content for, if
it's even women at all, which I kind of doubt,
is that they are actual stay at home traditional wives
and you're not a treadwife. You make money on the
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internet and they don't. They find themselves a single mom
with No. Four oh one K and decades missing from
their resume, with no current skills, no money in the bank,
and not even a car in the driveway. Their outcome
is going to be quite different than yours.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, what she said. Okay, a few closing thoughts that
I had, and maybe somebody who wants to write in
Dogmitebate dot com at the b A guess, But set
me straight, Please set me straight. But here's a few
questions I had. What about your daughters and your sons?
What example you setting for the daughters? Are you going
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to tell them that her role is to stay at
home and serve a man, to put on pretty dresses
and makeup at all times? What about the sun, What
message are you telling him about women and the roles
of women. Are you sure these kids are going to
have the happiest lives possible. Are you sure a son
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born in twenty twenty five who becomes an adult in
twenty forty five is going to have a happy life
if he thinks a woman's role is in the house,
cooking for her man and cleaning and having babies. Are
you sure the daughter who believes that is going to
have a happy life. What about all the women around
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the world who are trapped in these gender roles, can't
get out by law, aw who look to America and
the West and Western women to fight for them because
they can't fight for themselves. What are you saying to them?
You got it, good woman living under the taliban. Fact
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of the matter is, I don't have kids. I'm not
a traditional husband or a traditional wife, but I am
a person who has found incredible fulfillment in pursuing my dreams,
doing something more than just being, but creating. That's what
I chose. But I have plenty of friends that get
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intense pleasure out of pursuing science, pursuing a career in education,
pursuing all sorts of careers. I know a lot of
people that have followed their dreams, whatever those dreams might be,
and they get intense fulfillment. What are you telling your daughters.
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I can't imagine having a daughter and looking at her
and going I get Daddy gets immense pleasure out of
being a musician, a comedian, a podcaster, a writer. You
don't get any of that making pies. That's your lot
in life. And lastly, it wouldn't be a dogma debate
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with Michael Rigilio if I didn't bring up this point.
The thing you point to the nineteen fifties as being
the height of the traditional family role, as being the
height of the tradwife, when mom stayed at home and
dad worked, well, I'm not sure you should be a
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Republican or a conservative if that's going to be your
lot in life, because I don't need to remind you
that the nineteen fifties, which was the largest period of
growth for the middle class in the United States of America,
a time when you could have a single earner home
and it was yes, traditionally the husband, literally the grosser,
the butcher, the policeman, could own a house, a car,
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His wife could stay at home. What was different, well,
the top tax rate, both corporate and individual, was much
much higher than it was back then. Unions were incredibly strong.
Back then, if adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage would
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be about three times what it is now. So if
you want to be a trad wife, go for it.
You want to be a trad wife and a Republican,
I don't know, seems like you're confused.
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with this one? Did you see the Of course you
saw it. Everyone saw it, the Peers Morgan clip of
a woman her name is Lily gaddis saying some intensely
messed up stuff America twenty twenty five. So I'm gonna
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play the clip in a second because it frames the
context of all this. But what got me was she
was she was identified as a t wife, that is
to say, a traditional wife, and because of this clip,
it sent me down a bit of a rabbit hole.
I don't think I fully understood what a movement the
trad wife thing is, so I did some research, and
(01:14):
I'd like to share that research with you guys. But
let's go ahead and start with this doozy of a
clip from the Peers Morgan Show.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Here's the thing. White people have been under attack for years.
It's been systematic racism as much as black people and
people of color want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Okay, just off the bat, that's systemic racism, systemic And
I don't feel bad calling this woman freaking idiot because
of the things she's about to say. But anybody can
have a slip of the tongue. But that's one of
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two things she's about to screw up in this pre
racist diatribe, just illustrating that she's just a freaking idiot.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Nomout of racism in the United States, it's quite the opposite.
They get preferential treatment when it comes to getting a job,
when it comes to get in getting into colleges. White people,
on the other hand, hand, have been getting attacked relentlessly.
Look at twenty sixteen and BLM and all the riots.
We just had to sit back and watch people burn
down our cities and do nothing about it.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So the way, okay, there's number two BLM riots as
they are called, was not twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, Like,
just know what the hell you're talking about, You freaking idiot, like,
don't start your diatribe by broadcasting I'm an idiot. Not
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that the next thing she says, doesn't you know, put
the final final idiot stamp on her forehead. But okay,
so there's the two things that kind of stuck in
my craw.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Okay, buy on. Sorry, Just to be clear, this has
got nothing to do with anything you just said. This
is a disgusting racist woman who repeatedly spews the M word,
first at a young child and then at the person
taking the video of her, does it with complete impunity,
does it numerous times. We are talking about a bona
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fide a un questionable racist. So I don't understand why
what you've just said to me bears any relation to
white unity or anything you've just said. She's just a racist,
and isn't she You wouldn't dispute it.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
It's not about her. It's not about her, it's about well,
it's about coming together and supporting another white person.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
And it doesn't matter what would you want to support
a white racist?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Because I want to support free speech and you cannot
have free speech in the country.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
That's fine, you can support free speech, but you also
have to be accountable. For what you say she is
I mean, would you use the N word out of interest?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Yes, you would, I do quite frankly.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
You use the N word quite frequently. Well, why other
than the fact you're a despicable racist? Are you?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I some would say I am a guess, according to
the ad L, I'm a white supremacist, I'm a neo Nazi. Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
If you use the N word repeatedly, you are you
are a racism? Are you you that?
Speaker 4 (04:17):
If that? If that means forwarding? Uh, you know, helping
white people achieve freedom of speech, real freedom of speech, which,
by the way, I mean Charlo Hendrix is being attacked
on off fronts. They're trying to bring legal charges against her.
They're trying to get her children taken away. So you
were saying that, Carmelo Anthony, it doesn't matter that that's
a differ.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Just to be clear, you just said to me you
use the N word regularly. In what context do you
use it with black people?
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Ah? Yes, if if, if it's appropriate.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
When would it be appropriate? Whomen it be appropriate?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Anytime I feel like it?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
So you're just you're unashamed racist?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Correct?
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
What is happening in our country? So that's Lily Gaddis, tradwife,
traditional wife. I am certainly not going to paint all
tradwives or traditional wives with the Lily Gaddis brush. But
let's just dive a little more into who she is
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and then we can we can expand a little bit
out because if you go to her Instagram page, well
she's not for one, she's got that clip all over.
She's proud of it. That's that's her shining moment as
far as she's concerned. And when you see some of
her other videos you'll see why. Let's check those out.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
And you know what infuriates me is like these churches
went there and they had a whole like Mexican section.
Thes are in there, they have their own like pews,
they've got those what are those tam are they called.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
Tambourines Mexican instrument?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
I think super annoying, Like I don't know who wants
to listen to that. I'm sitting in the back row
right behind these beaners and I'm and he's like hitting
his little tambourine right there, and they're raising hell. And
then they get up and they do with their own
little choir because they got a whole Mexican outreach. What
is wrong with you?
Speaker 7 (06:12):
Really?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
This is what our churches are doing, Like we're welcoming
immigrants when there's like poor white people. There's like plenty
of poor white people that could use some help.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Christianity has a feminism problem right now. Like I'm told, oh,
go find yourself a conservative girl at church.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
The girls at church have septim piercings and pink hair
as well.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Like there's a lot of feminists at church. And then
you go to like your local mega church and they're
singing and dancing, and then like the girls in the
front row at your local megachurch like putting their hands
up like this. And then those same girls are like
doing cocaine and hooking up with black guys on the weekend, literally.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Which is unforgivable, not the cocaine part, but the black guys.
That part is.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
I can forgive cocaine, use I cannot forgive a white
girl hooking up with a black guy.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
That's like.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I feel like the cocaine is a gateway to the
black men though, because that's the dealers, right.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
Yes, yeah, yeah, they're exactly Literally, that's what happens in
uh where I live.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I've seen my firsthand what the actual ah, my brain
is splitting in two. Okay, let's be clear. Uleig Addis
is a blonde haired conservative, Trump loving She just happens
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to be sorry, Christian white woman, which is Look, I
did a lot of research. I'm this is not a
scientific fact I'm about to state. But as are most tradwives.
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I mean, I didn't come across any that weren't white.
They're all one hundred percent Christian, and most of them
are blonde. Just a thing. But that's the Trump thing.
I think they know that Trump likes blonde, so they've
all bleached their hair. That's a theory I have. That's
neither here nor there. So what is tradwife. It's traditional wife,
traditional wife.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
It's a.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It's a reaction to feminism. And they're very open about that.
And they they they are all about homemaking and having
babies and having no job, and and they clean all day,
they cook all day. They tend to cook everything from scratch,
or so they say. And when their hard working husband
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comes home, they have a hot meal for him. He
is the king of the castle. Well, let's let's let's
dive in a little bit to some tradwife content. Let's
let's let them tell you what being a triadwife is.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Number one rule as a tried wife, this is your
duty as a wife. A man's home is his castle,
so he should be treated as a king. He's working
a stressful job, maybe working long hours, just so he
can provide for you and the family, so he rightfully
deserves peace. At being said, it's every wife's duty to
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appreciate her man and all his hard work. Show him
how much you truly appreciate him.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Okay, he is your king and you are his queen.
That is your duty.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
We're tradwives.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
We believe in general rules and our marriage.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
We're trackwives.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
We believe a clean home is a happy home for
trad wives always over our husbands.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
We're trad wives.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
We choose to stay home and support.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Our husband's Tridwives we always have dinner ready when our
husbands get off.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Horror.
Speaker 8 (09:50):
Tradwives.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
We always satisfy our husband's needs.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Trodwives, we would be caught dead in a bar or
club without our husband. Tradwives.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
We always respect and appreciate our husbands by their heartwre Okay,
that particular trad wife again, blonde, super young, looked about
about twenty two, maybe traditionally good looking by the American esthetic.
Here's another one.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
Yes, I wear makeup pretty much every day around my husband.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
And here's why.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
That's when I was single and I would go on dates,
I would get already right, I would put on makeup.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I would do my hair, I would sprass up for a.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Few I would want to present my best to the
guys I was going on dates with. So I figured
that if those guys, those random guys that I wasn't
even committed to, that weren't committed to me, that were
just taking me on a date, if they got to
see the best side of me, the most put together
side of me, shouldn't my husband.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
So prep my man's lunch with me.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I'm going to show you, guys a right tunapasta salad
recipe that's what he's getting, and a piece of pumpkin bread.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I made it yesterday.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
It's on my channel as well, So let's get cooking.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
So this is the picture of the trad wife, young
attractive woman on the surface. Let's be clear, there's nothing
wrong with that. If that's your choice, so be it.
Make that choice. You know, I have some insights I
might want to add to a tried wife, but there's
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nothing wrong with wanting to stay home, raise the kids,
clean the house. Wow. Did I just say that. I
felt like a freaking misogynistic piece of garbage saying that,
So maybe there is something wrong with it, Like I'm
trying to be open minded to this mentality. But okay,
let's just start with the litany of problems. Number one,
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these are all creators. They don't not have a job.
Creator is their job, and they have millions of followers.
They're all big or not all, but the ones that
I'm showing you, they have millions of followers. The videos
get millions of views, which means they make tens of
thousands of dollars a month off of these videos. So
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they don't not have a job. They're just content creators
who have made this persona of being a trad wife.
I hate to say it, their stick the real tradwifs
traditional wives, because last time I checked, traditional refers to
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from the past. Traditional wives didn't have Instagram and iPhones
and filters, which they certainly do. And when pressed what
era is it that traditionally you look to, most of
them say the fifties. They all kind of dress nineteen fifties.
In fact, the woman that was just making lunch for
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her man and inviting you along, she straight up as
doing a Marilyn Monroe esque thing, like that's her vibe.
But don't take my word for it. Let's ask a
trad wife why.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
I think it's been really interesting to see how shocked
people are by the term tried wife and how they sem.
I think it's some new way of living, like it's
some unprecedented new trend, Like have you seen these millennial
and Gen Z girls. They just want to be at
home with their kids. They want to have husbands, and
they want to take care of their husands. They want
to cook, and they want to clean, and they want
to wear dresses. It's insane when in reality it's literally
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like the oldest lifestyle in the book. Before this, they
were just called stay at home moms, and before that
they were just called women. But now our society has
gone so far in the feminist direction that anybody who
wants to live like a little bit old school and
a little bit like how women used to live is fringe, right,
like an extremist. And I just think about how so
many of us since we were little. We were raised
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in this kind of boss babe feminist society that told
us you can be so much more than just a mom,
you can be so much more than just a wife.
And so many of us listened, and we, you know,
tried to climb corporate ladders, and we boss babed so hard.
Now like we're we're a little bit boss babed out,
and some of us want to go a little bit
more back to our roots, to our ancestors. So the
women who came before us and live a little bit more,
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you know, like they did, call us crazy.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
But we like babies.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
We want to have babies. We want to spend the
very few years that we have of them being little
with them. We like cooking, we like running a home.
We like supporting our husbands and having good marriages. And yes,
we also appreciate cute dresses the audacity. So call them
trib wives, call them stay at home moms, call them
whatever you want. But just know that no matter how
much you try and push the career and the boss
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babe and the feminist lifestyle onto women, there will always
be women who naturally want a more traditional.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Lifestyle, right, and I think she makes some good points
there that it is a reaction to feminism. For every action,
there's an opposite and equal reaction. Well, that might be
true in physics. I don't know if that's true with sociology.
But let's go over a few realities here. A, this
is a privileged lifestyle. I just want to stay at
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home and let my husband do all the work. Well,
your husband, Metter be freaking rich. A, so right there.
This is not a life style style choice any woman
could make. This is a lifestyle choice a rich woman
could make. This is not a lifestyle choice that a
feminist or a liberal woman would necessarily make. This is Christian.
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This is mostly evangelical Christian women. Now, she says that
they are just going back to a traditional wife. But
you don't need to go back to the fifties to
see that this is a traditional wife. This is still
a traditional wife in countries where women don't have choices
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as to a career and as to pursuing something that
might be fulfilling outside of the gender role of wife.
The Taliban insists that women live the exact same lifestyle
you're living. You are not so different than what they're doing.
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And let's talk about the women that they look up
to in the fifties, what did those women want, or
even go back further than that, to the turn of
the last century, the nineteen hundreds, when women had no
choice but to be a trad wife. Those women wanted
to throw that off. Those women fought hard against that.
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Of course, there were women that were not of that
mindset that wanted to delive a traditional wife lifestyle. A
certain number of women voted, or a certain number of
women were against a woman's right to vote. I almost
said they voted against a women's right to vote. That
would have been crazy. They were against a women's right
to vote. They were against feminism. I remember distinctly the
nun at my Catholic church, sister Lorraine. She hated feminists,
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hated feminists. So the women that you look up to,
or you say you look up to, they didn't want
what you want. They wanted something more. And I think
that that is the natural reaction to if all women
were put in a trad wife lifestyle. What happens if you,
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with your Instagram followers and your perfect hair and your
dresses and your makeup inspire a nineteen year old not
to go to college and to marry her boyfriend and
start a traditional life. And let's say, because life is hard,
he can't make that much money. She's not adding to
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the financial situation of the household. She's a trad wife.
So now you've kind of condemned these beautiful children and
babies that you want to have so bad to living
in poverty, which was the case with a lot of
trad wifes when every wife was a trad wife. And
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you might say, hey, you know, Virgilio, for a straight
white guy to sit there and pooh pooh this idea,
that's a little messed up too, to which I say, hey,
I'm just drawing inspiration from from the trad wifs and
saying I'm all for freedom of speech. I get to
have an opinion, and this is something that kind of
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galls me. And let's also talk about the corollary to
the trad wife that they look up to so much,
the trad husband. Are we also promoting that because there
was a time when the husband kind of didn't think
of the wife as an equal. Sure, she stayed home
and cleaned and cooked and did all these things, but
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that's because she had to and he didn't feel a
need to help raise the kids. And look, this is
not saying every father. I'm talking about through traditional role
of the husband. The traditional role of the husband was
gout drinking with the boys. I mean, this is just
me using stereotypes. But when the wife was in labor
at the hospital, the husband was on the golf course
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having a whiskey at three o'clock in the afternoon. Do
we want to go back to the trad husband as well?
When looking into this phenomenon, I came across this many
trad wives will use Book of Proverbs, chapter thirty one
as a rationale for the trad life. Trad tradwife life.
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It's a trad wife life. A woman should rise during
the dark, fearing the lord, having strong arms, and working
with flax. Let's talk about one trad wife that I
found particularly interesting in that be Gwenn Swinnerton. She's pivoted
away from making videos on only fans and making ASMR
(19:41):
content for YouTube. You know what, I'm gonna be honest
with you, guys, I don't know what that is, and
I'm gonna look that up right now.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I've looked it up and I still don't really know
what it is to be honest with you. It stands
for autonomous sensory meridian response. It's a term used to
disc describe a tingling sensation that some people experience in
response to certain visual auditori tactile stimuli. The sensation typically
begins on the scalp and moves down the back of
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the neck and spine. Common ASMR triggers include whispering, tapping,
or scratching sounds, slow deliberate movements, personal attention scenarios, haircuts
or makeup application, or soft crinkling or brushing sounds. Color
me surprised. I'm not entirely sure I know what that is. Okay,
(20:30):
So she was an OnlyFans model. Getting back to Gwen,
So I watched some of her videos. She basically went
from from what I understand, taking off her clothes and
making money off of only fans to meeting a rich
guy and embracing the tradwife lifestyle. I'm looking for a
shrad bwife.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Sourda Harmstead, crunchy eats meat, butter once, kids, chickens, tinfoil
teller content, Jesus.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I want to play you. One of the videos that
struck me as particularly kooky. And I also thought it
was interesting that she is the star of this video
and she's posing in pretty dresses with all her makeup on,
but it's her husband that does the voiceover. Perhaps a
woman doesn't speak in her home.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
So if you have millions of women on pharmaceutical birth
control and they're all urinating in the municipal water and
then that water in most cities, that I'm not mistaken
is then you know, clean air quotes and then recycled
into the municipal drinking water supply. Anyone who's drinking that
water is essentially micro dosing.
Speaker 9 (21:36):
And there it is.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Of course, there's crazy conspiracy theories in there. We're all
microdosing birth control. Seems to me if it was a microdose,
probably wouldn't be too effective. But maybe there's something to that.
But again, this is all kind of far right Christian stuff.
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That one just struck me as weird. So what would
a woman say, What would a tradwife say to these criticisms? Well,
they've addressed it.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
I'm not on pause from a career. This is my career.
Speaker 9 (22:12):
I'm not wasting my college education, wasting my talent.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Or wasting my time.
Speaker 9 (22:17):
I don't long for a dream job or dream about
the day I can go back to work. This is
my dream job. This is the greatest work I will
ever do.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
There, you have it. This is the greatest career. This
is the decision I have made. This is what I
want to do. Well, let's see if there's a flaw
in that reasoning. Maybe there's a trad wife out there
that thought just like you when she was younger. Of
course there is. Let's listen to this video.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
I want to start this video by saying that I'm
not asking for many and I'm not asking for sympathy.
What I'm asking for is if you were a young fourteen, sixteen,
twenty one year old girl, Listen up. I drove to
the grocery store. I need to grab some milk and
bread in a couple of things flipped up and the
paint gap on my phone, and I've been sitting in
my car crying ever since because I never have enough money.
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And why do I never have enough money? Because when
I was a nineteen year old girl, I fell in love.
My Mormon faith told me that I was supposed to
be a stray at home mom. I got married, I
started having babies, I dropped out of college. I never
had a career. My only jobs that I ever had
in life were a waitress at the Olive Garden and
managing a pretzel maker in a mall. Oh my first
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couple years of marriage, I decided that I wanted to
be an entrepreneur, so that I bought a windshield business.
I was twenty and my Mormon state president reminded me
that women weren't supposed to work. So I quit my
own business, handed it over my husband took my name
off of it. I would work our family business throughout
the next twenty four years of my marriage, but I
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never got paid. I didn't have a salary. My name
wasn't on it. I literally worked for room and board.
That's it. I would eventually also launch a custom home
building company with my uncle as the architect and my
friends is the builder, my designs, my realtor. But again
because my husband was the man, his name was on
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all of the projects, his name was on the business.
I remember one of the last custom homes that I built,
we sold it and made about a two hundred and
sixty thousand dollars profit. That money I went into his
bank account. I didn't even have a bank account. I
should have said that in the beginning, I never had
a bank account. He would give me little envelopes of
cash to go grocery shopping with. Anyway that house sales,
money goes in the bank. I just asked if I
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could buy myself a piano with the many I had
worked on building that house for two years. All of
the money went into his bank account. Nothing was under
my name. I got a piano, and I got a
free house to live in, and I got groceries. So
I found myself divorced at age forty four, just five
years ago, and within just a few months I was
living in my well. He made about a quarter million dollars.
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He would eventually quit that job so that he wouldn't
have to pay alimony and child support. He's only paid
alimony one time ever.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, the trap door beneath the feet of every trad
wife should be visible, But maybe they've put a frilly
carpet over it. But you've given the man all the
power and you have none. You have no life experience.
What happens if he dies? What if he does love
(25:31):
you and he just dies? Better have been pretty rich
and left you a lot of money, but more likely
than not. What if these twenty year old tradwives that
are so cute and so done up turned forty four
and this guy that was so into having a wife
that didn't work and wore dresses and makeup at home
(25:54):
and cooked him his dinner is actually a shallow piece
of shit, and that's what he was into. And when
you turn forty four and you look like a forty
four year old, this shallow piece of shit that was
cool with a wife that didn't have interests or a
career outside of cooking him freaking dinner does like all
(26:15):
pieces of shit, and he starts cheating on you. So
I'm just some dude who cares what I think. Right,
let's talk to the professionals. There is actually an article
in Psychology Today about trad wives. It basically examines how
strict adherence to traditional gender roles within the tradwife lifestyle
can lead to learned helplessness. Women who focus solely on
(26:37):
domestic tasks may not developed essential skills like financial management,
leaving them vulnerable in situations like divorce.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Why is trad life.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Content suddenly flowing out?
Speaker 9 (26:50):
It's become a popular topic because women my age and
older that have gotten divorced and have thrown decades of
their lives down the toilet, doing the laundry and dishes.
They're trying to warn you. You and else like you
are intentionally dancing around the point. We're trying to tell
you why this content is harmful, and I sincerely hope
that you listen. You are not a traditional wife. You
are on the internet and you work. Those of us
(27:12):
were actual stay at home moms that were traditional wives
and mothers. We didn't have that luxury No four oh
one K in our names. The difference between you and
the people that you're trying to make content for, if
it's even women at all, which I kind of doubt,
is that they are actual stay at home traditional wives
and you're not a treadwife. You make money on the
(27:33):
internet and they don't. They find themselves a single mom
with No. Four oh one K and decades missing from
their resume, with no current skills, no money in the bank,
and not even a car in the driveway. Their outcome
is going to be quite different than yours.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, what she said. Okay, a few closing thoughts that
I had, and maybe somebody who wants to write in
Dogmitebate dot com at the b A guess, But set
me straight, Please set me straight. But here's a few
questions I had. What about your daughters and your sons?
What example you setting for the daughters? Are you going
(28:10):
to tell them that her role is to stay at
home and serve a man, to put on pretty dresses
and makeup at all times? What about the sun, What
message are you telling him about women and the roles
of women. Are you sure these kids are going to
have the happiest lives possible. Are you sure a son
(28:32):
born in twenty twenty five who becomes an adult in
twenty forty five is going to have a happy life
if he thinks a woman's role is in the house,
cooking for her man and cleaning and having babies. Are
you sure the daughter who believes that is going to
have a happy life. What about all the women around
(28:55):
the world who are trapped in these gender roles, can't
get out by law, aw who look to America and
the West and Western women to fight for them because
they can't fight for themselves. What are you saying to them?
You got it, good woman living under the taliban. Fact
(29:16):
of the matter is, I don't have kids. I'm not
a traditional husband or a traditional wife, but I am
a person who has found incredible fulfillment in pursuing my dreams,
doing something more than just being, but creating. That's what
I chose. But I have plenty of friends that get
(29:40):
intense pleasure out of pursuing science, pursuing a career in education,
pursuing all sorts of careers. I know a lot of
people that have followed their dreams, whatever those dreams might be,
and they get intense fulfillment. What are you telling your daughters.
(30:00):
I can't imagine having a daughter and looking at her
and going I get Daddy gets immense pleasure out of
being a musician, a comedian, a podcaster, a writer. You
don't get any of that making pies. That's your lot
in life. And lastly, it wouldn't be a dogma debate
(30:21):
with Michael Rigilio if I didn't bring up this point.
The thing you point to the nineteen fifties as being
the height of the traditional family role, as being the
height of the tradwife, when mom stayed at home and
dad worked, well, I'm not sure you should be a
(30:41):
Republican or a conservative if that's going to be your
lot in life, because I don't need to remind you
that the nineteen fifties, which was the largest period of
growth for the middle class in the United States of America,
a time when you could have a single earner home
and it was yes, traditionally the husband, literally the grosser,
the butcher, the policeman, could own a house, a car,
(31:03):
His wife could stay at home. What was different, well,
the top tax rate, both corporate and individual, was much
much higher than it was back then. Unions were incredibly strong.
Back then, if adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage would
(31:24):
be about three times what it is now. So if
you want to be a trad wife, go for it.
You want to be a trad wife and a Republican,
I don't know, seems like you're confused.
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