June 30, 2025 • 57 mins
Author Megan Kelley Hall joins Michael Regilio to discuss the growing notion that 2024 was stolen. Oh boy, here we go again. More at dogmadebate.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson. Hey, I'm Adam Carola Gillette. Not
only listening, I'm a guest.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm a teller, and I am a fourth listener.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
And I am the fourth listener, and that must make
me at least the fourth listener. It's Dogma Debate with
your host Michael Rigilio. For extra content and to join
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and join our Patreon And welcome to what promises to
(00:31):
be such a fascinating episode of Dogma Debate. Because my
old fred Meegan Kelly Hall is here. She is an author.
She wrote the children's book Sisters of Misery, and she
also wrote a what would You Say? A collection called
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Dear Bully about bullying, and you went into the schools
and lectured people on bullying. Speaking of schools, we went
to high school together. Meghan is here because she has
been posting a lot about this notion that I've seen
a bunch of times that Donald Trump lost twenty twenty
four and that the Shenanigans went down. And I said, Meghan,
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do you wind coming on the show and telling me
all about this? Because I don't know enough about it
to make a conclusion one way or the other. So Meghan,
welcome to dog debate.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Hi there, Michael, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Of course, great to see you. And I'm just telling you, folks,
Megan hasn't changed a bit. I don't know how how
she did that because we did not go to high
school yesterday, but she looks fantastic.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So oh, thank you, of course.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
So why you were telling me about the Dear Bully book?
Tell me about that because you said that not only
did you go into schools and lecture about bullying, but
that Donald Trump broke you. And that sounds like a
good way to get into the conversation we're going to
have today. So would you mind telling me a little
bit about that?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Sure? Yeah. So I put together this anthology of young
adult authors and they all shared their stories about bullying,
and we had seventy authors, we had like rl Stein,
we had like all the It was back in twenty
eleven that it came out, and so after that I
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started going into schools and talking to kids about bullying,
and you know, it was it was shocking. It was
very satisfying, but it was also shocking to hear some
of the stories about how these kids just felt like
they had nowhere to go, no one would listen to them,
and so I remember, you know, we would all we'd
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have all these panels and we would all sort of
give advice about you know, just go up the chain
of command. You know, you don't feel like you're in
this alone. There's so many people around you that will
help you, and you go. If your teacher doesn't listen,
go to the principle, If the principal doesn't listen, go
to the superintendent, and just all the way, I'm like,
all the way up to Obama, because you know, our
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country will not stand for this, like this is not
something that our country is all about. Until Donald Trump
and I found I didn't have anything to say to
these kids anymore because I don't know, I didn't know
how to deal with a bully, like the bully in chief.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, that's so true. I mean, how do people deal
with bullies nowadays when the I don't know what used
to be the example of, you know, of great American
morals in ideology, the president is the biggest bully ever
on the planet pretty much, Yeah, on the planet. I mean,
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nicknames are the domain of bullies. Yeah, yeah, I looked out.
I just got Rejiggielo. I'm sure it could have gotten
far worse than that. For I could think of a
few nicknames that bullies had for other kids in our school,
but they were terrible. They're terrible. Nicknames are terrible. And
it goes way beyond the nicknames. I mean, as you know,
he mocked a disabled person. M but I mean, he's
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just he's the worst person ever.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And it's it doesn't stop and it doesn't change. And
the thing that I always told the kids when I
went to school is, you know, bullies never win. They
you know, they're the karma will come back to them.
And now how do you tell kids that that bullies
never win when one of them was elected president twice twice? Yeah,
(04:35):
I mean it's it's, uh, it's terrifying because it's it
just teaches kids all the wrong things, Like it's teaching
them you can cheat, you can steal, you can be mean,
you can bully.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
If you lose, just complain about it, say you didn't lose.
Never admit defeat. Never be humble right, never be humbled,
never apologize. All the things that we learned as kids
are being unlearned and I do worry about that. And
I you and I were talking before the show started
and I said, I'm not optimistic. And anyone that listens
to this show knows that I'm not optimistic, that I'm
(05:08):
not exactly like, hey, we're going to get him in
the mid terms, that we're gonna beat them and we're
gonna get everything back to normal. I'm like, this could
be it, Like I really think that. And one of
the reasons I say that is that they there's this
giant chunk of the voting populist now that has never
known different, Like Donald Trump has been around since twenty sixteen.
Now next time he runs, it's going to be twenty
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twenty eight, So I mean twenty fifteen really is when
he started with this campaign. So there's people that are
going to be well into their twenties that have no
recollection of the president being a decent, good person like
we had sometimes not always, but we always had a
guy that pretended to be a decent, good person that
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we did always.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Have, right, Yeah. And the thing is, I mean, even
w he was at least you know, family person, a
nice guy. You know, he made a lot of mistakes,
He'd lied and you know all that. But yeah, but
he's trying to good person.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I think, yeah, I think. You know what, boys, I've
said so many things on this show that have gotten
me kicked out of club Liberal recently, including that I
watch a lot of police body camera footage and I said,
I think the police have a really hard job and
they deserve some respect. Wow, I heard about that one.
You're out of the club. But yeah, w I mean, look,
(06:37):
I've said it many times before. For for one, he
used the legal means that were at his disposal to
push a very conservative agenda, but he didn't go extra judicial.
He didn't go around the constitution in any way, shape
or form, you know. And when it comes to the
Iraq war, I said it then and I'll say it
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till till the end that he didn't do anything every
other president did. The problem is that we made it
okay for presidents to invade countries without declaring war, starting
with Korea and Eisenhower. Kennedy technically got us into Vietnam,
but plenty of other people did. We had previous Gulf Wars.
We bombed the hell out of Panama, we bombed the
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hell out of Kosovo. We did things that were clearly
war without declaring war, and he just did the same.
So you're blaming Bush for doing something that a lot
of people had done. Clinton had done it, you know.
And so I do think that there's some chance that
George W. Bush is a decent man. I don't know him,
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but I never got a creepy vibe off of him.
Never heard him bragging about hanging out in the miss
ted USA dressing room. He's not on the Epstein list
to the last, to the best of my knowledge.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I don't think so. I don't think i've heard that.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Although Clinton might be.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, but I never liked him either, to be honest
with you, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Me, neither honestly, And you know I was actually is
it a secret to say that you were a young Republican?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
No? In fact, I talk about it all the time.
In fact, I just finished my screenplay entitled Young Republicans.
My trip to Washington, d C. For the inauguration of
George H. W. Bush. Even though I was too young
to vote, I campaigned for him. We went to Washington
and our chaperone didn't show up, so five nerdy Republicans
(08:39):
painted the town read by ourselves chaperone lists and I
wrote a screenplay about it.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
That's amazing. How old you're like, sixteen or seventeen? Yeah, sixteen,
that's that is crazy. That's yeah. I want to I
want to read your screenplay.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Was one more one more revision, I think, and we'll
we'll get it your way. But yeah, I mean, let
me express something to you that had me face palming
just this morning thinking about the press in normal times.
If the key advisor, the biggest advisor to the president
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of the United States, with unprecedented access to classified information,
came out and said, the President of the United States
is in the files. His name is in the files
for a pedophile ring, a convicted pedophile ring. The same
president who bragged about watching young women dress, the same
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president who at Giselaine Maxwell's trial, a girl said she
was fourteen years old and Jeffrey Epstein brought her tomorrow
ago to meet Donald Trump, to which I say, imagine
you're a fifty year old man and you're throwing a
party and another fifty year old man brings a fourteen
year old gold to the party. And if you say, oh,
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is that your niece, uh foreign exchange student, your family's hosting, like,
who is this she's your date? I know I would
call nine one one, get that girl away from this
pervert pedophile, call nine one one and make this a
legal matter immediately. Nope, Nope. According to the woman, she's
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a woman now, she was fourteen at the time. They
just hung out with Donald Trump. He was okay with it.
Jeffrey Epstein brought a fourteen year old Anyway. The point
I'm driving to is, if all those things were the case,
every time Caroline Levitt opened the floor to questions, the
only question should be is the president of pedophile? Is
the president of pedophile? Excuse me? His top advisor says
he's implicated with a pedophile ring. I've not heard one
(10:44):
goddamn question. Yeah, but it's so what. Some things are
worth getting kicked out, Some things are worth getting beat
up for, some things are worth dying for. I mean,
this is just what reality is. And getting kicked out
of the White House press room because you asked the
most relevant question probably in the history of the United
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States of America. Is the president on that list? What
what does it say about him? I mean, I've played
the clips so many times of them asking Trump, will
you release the JFK files. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
Epstein files maybe, but there's a lot of photy stuff
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in there. He says it right up.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Like Elon was the one who said it, because yeah,
you didn't know that. No, I do know that, and
I remember that, and I was just wondering if it
was someone else, like Cash Battel or any of like.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
No, no, no, no, no no. In fact, Cash Battel, as
long as we're spilling tea here, is that the expression
I'm not hip anymore? Is it spilling tea? Uh?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, that's kind of old though. You know my daughter
too and she doesn't even use that anymore.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
So okay, well I'm so old that it's new to
me expression the kids. Uh I said thirty years ago.
It's the hippest thing I got in me. But that
said Cash Bettel was on Joe Rogan when Elon tweeted
that and they asked him about it. Cash Hotel is
the head of the FBI. He's the director of the FBI.
He is in control of the very file Elon was referencing,
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and Cash Hotel didn't deny that he's in there. He
just went, leave me out of that man, Leave me.
He literally said, like, leave me out of it. I
don't want to get involved in this, dolude. I can't
imagine something more worthy of your attention as the head
of the FBI than the president is implicated in a
pedophile ring.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Right, yeah, it's it is like a if it would
be funny, if it wasn't so scary and sad. The
fact that he has you know, Pam Bondi is his
personal attorney. He thinks she is.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Absolutely He wanted everyone else to be Bill Barr et cetera,
et cetera, and they wouldn't quite be his personal attorney
almost but not quite. Now she's just straight up oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And you know Karen Lovett is just you know, like
straight out of North Korea, Russia. It's it's State TV.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
It maid's tail. Yeah, yeah, that's what she's really. Out
of those big giant crosses she wears.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah. Have you seen the girl on TikTok who makes
who like? Yeah, she does like the she has got
the crosses that are made out of like hot dog
like every day with something new.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
But it's just so crazy that the faction of people
in America conservatives that rail against things like virtue signaling.
What the hell do you think wearing a giant cross
every day is, if not literally virtue signaling. M But yeah,
I mean, look, just the only questions they should be
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asking her about the pedophile ring, like, and then the
other one is, excuse me, the President of the United
States has a means by which anybody can anonymous deposit
any amount of money into his bank account, which we
know they've done with the meme coin, and we know
at least in one case, a guy by the name
of Justin Son. Do you know this story. Justin Son
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is a crypto guy, a Chinese crypto billionaire. He was
under investigation. In fact, I think they had pressed charges
through the SEC the Securities and Exchange Commission against him.
He gave Donald Trump said he bought seventy five million
dollars worth of Trump meme coins, and they dropped the investigation.
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It just went away.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
It's so corrupt, it's like it's a bad movie. It's
you know, no one would believe the plot. It's it's
the corruption. I watched the one that you had with
Joe Walsh. Yeah, the interview and where he said he's
just doing Trump is just doing everything out in the open,
and he thinks that that's what will you know, absolve
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him of any crimes if he just crimes in front
of everybody.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure this is something he learned
from Roy Kohane or whatever his training was. You know that,
you know, you never apologize, which again talking about the
bullies again the kids growing up who were getting the
worst example. Possibly, but you know, and just yeah, do
your crimes in the open, then it's not a crime.
(15:20):
It's when you try and hide it that everyone knows
it's a crime.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
If you do it in the open, then it's not
a crime.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
No big deal.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
They're trying to hide it. That's the thing that gives
you away that you knew it was a crime.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
They asked Trump about the meme coin recently, are you
going to divest from these meme coins? And he didn't
answer the question. He said, if we didn't have meme
coins or if we didn't have crypto, China would but
China does have like but not nothing makes sense with.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
This guy, no, And I it was like kind of
quaint back in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, and the whole
emolument's clause and that he was like, oh no, you know,
Kelly and Conway is talking about buying Evanka's jewelry on
the White House lawn, like she can't do that. Now.
It's just like i'me on everybody, you know, everything, everything's
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for sale.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah no, I mean absolutely. He's already selling T shirts
and hats that say Daddy like I mean, I day, yeah,
I'm on his mailing list. The President of the United
States still is asking for money all the time. What
does he need it for? What does he just writes
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to his supporters. Dear Michael, he said last time, not
that it's him at all, but I hate to ask,
but I need you to send me two hundred dollars
right away to fight the liberals. You're the freaking president.
What do you need my money for to fight the liberals?
And they just oh, you got it, you got it,
you got it. I mean, these are just crazy, crazy,
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crazy days, and the Supreme Court decision that came down
this last week are just making things even worse. The
fact that now we cannot have federal injunctions. You know
that federal courts cannot have wide sweeping powers to say
that something is unconstitutional. Then, plus the slippery slope of
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religion in the classroom parents in Maryland or anywhere now,
I suppose, but the case that went to the Supreme
Court had to do with Maryland specifically. But if the
school is teaching that gay people are okay and not
the spawn of Satan, you can pull your kid out
of the class legally.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
That's the next step. I know that Clarence Thomas wants
to overturn is it bochevel the same sex marriage. He
wants to get rid of that, and that means been
very open about that.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, and back to the States. That's what they say,
states rights. You know who all said states rights the Confederacy.
But I'm actually slowly becoming convinced that this is who
we've elected, that this is the Confederacy that the South
did rise again and.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
They rose, well, they have the flag still those are
like right out and brown and you know.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
The market And they're naming military bases after Robert E.
Lee Trader to the United States of America, responsible for
murdering killing American soldiers, and they're celebrating him and naming
military bases after him. And Pete Hegsith said last week
when stripping a Navy ship of the name Harvey Milk.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Oh remember that.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, he stripped it of because and he said, people
want to be proud of the ship they're sailing on to,
which I'm like, who are these people that were not
proud of a civil rights icon who gave his life
fighting for gay rights in the navy. By the way, Uh,
but did you take that into account when renaming the
base General Robert E. Lee? Are you sure everyone's proud
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of that military base? You're such liars, there's such bonies.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Oh, everything out of their mouths are lies and they
contradict each other. And it's like it's scary because we're
just watching like it's it's like the dominoes are falling
and we're here like there's if this is what drives
me crazy. I get it. I know that the Democrats
don't have any power right now. I get it that
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they you know, they're not they don't run the House,
they don't run the Senate. Do something, you know. It's
just I feel like they need to like Mitch McConnell,
you know, Sketchy Mitch. He did everything he possibly could
to just screw up everything Obama wanted to do, you know,
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maybe channel him. I know, it's like, you know, you
have to like douse yourself with like holy water after
but try to like get into the mind of Mitch
McConnell and like do these things to sort of just fight.
I mean, some of the senators, I have to admit,
are doing a really good job. You know, book did
the you know, twenty five hours on the floor. Chris
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Murphy has been fighting a lot. But I just feel
like they're just like, oh, well, nothing with Chuck Schumer.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I am writing a strongly worded letter to uh Trump's
Justice Department and asking that they get back to me
within a reasonable amount of time depending on their schedules.
Get the hell out of here, AOC, I mean, get
out of the way. Unstoppable at this point, Yeah, she's
going to be the nominee. I can't believe it, but
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I you know, she seems.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
She's amazing, and they've turned her into the boogeyman. Like
I feel bad for her because she they like they
she's so hated.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
And I don't feel bad for her at all. She
loves it. No, Now let them let them have there's
slings and arrows and throw them at her. That makes
her more powerful. And there's slings and arrows are pathetic
and weak. They're hilarious. I follow a lot of right
wing media and they make up stef that she never
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said and then laugh at it, knowing that she never
said it.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Right, They lie flat out. It's just like Fox News.
It's like, don't even watch it. It's just lie after
lie after lie.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, I'm reminded of something that FDR said about right wingers.
He said, they are united in their hate for me,
and I welcome their hate for me, and that is
how I think she should feel about it, you know,
But the fact that.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
They risk it puts her. It puts her life at
risk though. I mean, look what happened in Nancy Pelosi's husband.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Sure, sure, absolutely there's that. There is that, but their
rage just makes her more powerful. I mean it really does.
I mean, the young people are curious why they hate
her so much, but I was gonna say, it's like
it's so telling that they can't get her on anything
she's actually said, so they make these things up, like
I saw one the other day where it showed her
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picture and by the way, I mean not that it matters,
but like putting her picture on the memes ain't helping
your cause because she is gorgeous, you know, and it's
like way too way to advertise to every young person
that this beautiful young politician is out there fighting for you.
But what it said was the reason people are eluding
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Apple stores is because they need to feed their families.
And then all these right wingers laughing at it, Oh
my god, she's so stupid. It's like, dude, it's so
telling that she never said that, and that's that you
have to make up stuff because you have nothing. She's
actually articulate, she's actually really smart. So the best you
can do as you dumb ass right wingers. I mean,
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we don't make up stuff. Marjorie Taylor Green said, we
quote her word for word. You're making stuff up because
you got nothing. She's smart, she's articulate, and she's right.
So you have to make ship up. That shows your weakness,
not hers.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah. Yeah, And you know she's got AOC like you know,
she's got the initials that like the power.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
You know, jfk fd R you know, I mean it
has a certain you know, sense of grandiose strength to it.
You know. Yeah, Yeah, I think she's unstoppable.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I think she's gonna run for like president or do
you think I would.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I think she's coming for a Schumer's seat for sure, rightly,
So yeah, get absolutely. I have been saying for a
long time it's time to chuck Chuck. Shouldn't be chuck Chuck.
If we could chuck Chuck, would chucking Chuck not be good?
I think we would. We would chuck Chuck. If we
could chuck Chuck, chucking Chuck would be good. Sorry, the
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Canadian and me still has my bits that I.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
No, that's good. I like that.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So why don't we dive into it? So you've been
posting a lot about the idea, the notion that Donald
Trump actually lost.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Four Yeah, it's it's a theory, you know, and it's
something that I'm praying is actually happening. In terms of
this lawsuit, so Rockland County, New York, Yeah, they are
now suing. They are now going they have a lawsuit
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against They are doing discovery right now. I took some
notes they're doing discovery on. There have been all these
inconsistencies in the voting and in a lot of counties
that were very democratic, Kamala got zero votes. I saw that,
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and these are these are counties that went for Jilibrand, Like, yeah,
you know, seventy five percent of the populace went for Jilibrand.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
But who's a Democrat?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yes, a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
She was running for Senate. She's a Democrat. So at
the on the bottom of the taken out on the
bottom but not at the top top is Kamala Below
that is Jilibrand, also Democrat. She gets seventy five percent
of the vote, Harris gets zero zero. That's a red flag, right,
it's got to be.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah. But the interesting thing is that the woman who
actually brought the suit originally, like they're first, is Smart Elections,
which is this advocacy group for you know, they're like
a non partisan watchdog for fair and safe elections. And
the woman who actually brought it is not a fill
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with Smart. She is an independent woman named Diane Sarah
sorry Sarah, and she was running for she was running
against Jillibrand. And she got people on the record, she
had them, you know, do legal affidavits that they voted
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for Diane and not Jilibrand. And in these and this
is why she got tipped off because in these counties
where people said, you know, under oath or whatever, that
they voted for Diane. She said she didn't get any votes.
So she was like, Okay, that's weird. You know, that's
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all these people are telling me they voted for me.
They're saying it, you know, these legal affidavits that they
voted for me, and nothing is coming up. So that
so she in smart election smart yeah, smart election, smart legislation,
decided to to the county to get discovery and to
sort of figure out what's going on. The Judge Rachel
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Tangue of the Supreme Court of New York, she thought
the allegations were serious enough to allow it to go
forward and to allow discovery. So I did just read
that like today, I think it today someone from Rockland
County just filed a motion to dismiss, which would include
(27:28):
a stay of all discovery, which means I can't do
any more investigation. But I don't know if that is
going to be overturned. I hope it is. But as
of now, they have a court date of September twenty second,
so and in that complaint they're saying they want information
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on voting machines, voter rolls, software updates, forensic grade hard drives, equipment,
diagramed like everything flash drives the chain of custody, and yeah,
they want everything they want to see. They want to
do a hand recount of everything. And of course Rocola
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County and the people there, I'm sure some Republicans are
fighting at tooth and nail because they don't want it
to be discovered. So that is like sort of like
the you know, the tipping point. I feel, I hope
that because other counties are kind of feeling the same thing.
I know someone in Arizona, in that famous Maricopa County,
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a Republican actually is he's asking for like a recount,
a hand recount, because he thinks that there were some
things that were going on, but of course not for Kamala,
like probably for him, like I should have gotten more
boats or whatever. But this is the weird thing. So
this is so I've been following this and I keep
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you know, reading all the substats real quick.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Has anybody offered up any explanation how it's possible that
Jilibrand would get seventy five percent of the vote and
Harris would get zero votes other than I guess nobody
liked her. I mean, is there any explanation somebody could
offer how that could be.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
No, I mean I haven't heard anything. I haven't read anything.
They haven't offered any sort of I mean they're just
saying like, oh, you know, they just left it blank. Sorry,
they didn't want to vote for Kamala. They must have
had zero people.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And I saw the numbers. I mean they weren't small.
They were in the hundred, Like one of them was
six hundred something. An other thing I saw was nine
hundred something people to.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Different towns or you know, had nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, her people in these towns vote nine hundred some
voted for jillibrand zero. Not one Democrat who was willing
to vote for the Democrat for Senate voted for the
Democrat for president against Donald Trump. You're a Democrat, right.
It doesn't make sense to me, I don't you know.
I don't like throwing in with the conspiracy theory and
(30:02):
saying I think it's true. But I am more than
happy to say that's odd.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
And that's the problem is that the whole stop to
steal that I swear that they did, that they have
perpetuated all this all these years later, that there was
election interference, so just so that the Democrats would not
want to do anything like that. They don't. They've even
(30:30):
said it, right, They've even said, like on the record
that not one Democrat is questioning the results. And you
know the things that are being talked about online is
that they don't want to cast doubt on the election process.
So that's why they're not saying anything. So the Republicans
(30:52):
have I think this is all my theory, Like this is,
you know, allegedly allegedly over everything. The Republicans know this,
They know how Democrats' minds work. They know that they
don't you know, they were the conspiracy theorists, and that
Democrats are not going to want to go down that
(31:12):
road by any means, and which is true. I mean,
Kamala hasn't said anything. You know, every senator they've all
said it was a free and fair election because that's
what they said over twenty twenty, which it was because
you know, Christopher Krebs, who was the SIZZA, I believe
he was in charge of securing the election and it
(31:36):
was a Republican was a pointed by Trump. Yeah, he
said it was a free and fair election. So Republicans
know this and now that this is why they know
that no Democrat is going to say, wait a minute,
this is weird, you know. It's it's a little weird
that that Elon knew four hours before everybody else that
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they were going to win. Trump was going to win.
It's a little weird that Elon brought his four year
old son on Tucker Carlson the night of the election,
and the little kid said something to the effect of
we quiet starlink, quietly does whatever we want. No one
will know like these things that a four year old
does not say. Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I didn't even see that clip. That's his news to me.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, you got to go online. Just look up Elon
and Tucker Carlson election night, and the adorable little boy
is just I think he's just parroting. Well sorry, yeah,
so yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
He is.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Uh he said that it was quietly doing whatever we
want with starlink. So I mean, that's weird. How does
how did he know before everybody else that Trump won
four hours before? Apparently he had this algorithm or whatever.
The fact that he came out and said I think
(32:58):
in March anything can be hacked, Like they're just all
these things that I mean, I know, I'm sounding like
a crazy conspiracy theorist. But going down that rabbit hole,
I actually called there's a company called pro v and
V allegedly they well, no, they're not alleged, they are real.
(33:20):
They were the ones who did the testing for all
of about forty percent of all the voting machines in
the country right before the election. They said something about
they were doing changes, they were updating everything.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
All I saw this I read something. It might have
been a Reddit thread, which is why I can't really
talk about it because it's hard to verify. But I
did see something about this.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, and this is what Smart Elections has said, So like,
this isn't just like a reddit you know, crazy, but
they said it was. The changes were uh d wait,
what is it? De minimous? They called them the changes
that they did were de minimous, which means that they
(34:11):
were such minor tweaks but they had no effect on
the ballot scanners, the modified files the machines flagged by
SIZZA by calling them de minimous, they avoided a full testing,
public scrutiny, transparency. They just were able to go in
(34:33):
and do the updates without anyone, without third party oversight.
So this is a company called pro v and B
and they're in Alabama. And the big thing that Smart
Election said that right after, right after the election, the
(34:54):
website went down. They reached out to the company. No
one's there. I actually called the company wow personally and
I called and it was it just rang and rang
and rang and rang and rang, and that you can
like go onto their website. They have their they have
their email, they have their phone number. What company do
(35:16):
you know, like a security company that doesn't have anybody
picking up the phone, doesn't have voicemail, doesn't have like
anything like you know, everything has the voicemail now, yeah,
nothing nothing. This Jack Cobb, who is like the CEO
of it, has given quotes to different magazines or newspapers
(35:40):
like Newsweek and I think it was Economic Times, But
no one knows who he is, Like I don't think
anyone's actually spoken to him. So it's just a lot
of I don't know. And the thing is, I'm I know,
I'm hearing myself. I'm sounding like the stop the Steal crazy,
but it's just it's just weird enough to be like,
(36:00):
you know, maybe.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
No, we have every right to ask these questions, and
it's and you know, They used to say that if
Alex Jones didn't already exist, the government would have created
him because he creates this stink on conspiracy theories. So
anytime somebody says something yeah, critical of the government, or
(36:25):
that they think some shenanigans are going on, they get
the tinfoil hat put on them and immediately it's shut down.
And it makes people afraid to say things like this.
So there's nothing wrong with looking at the information and
scratching your head and saying it's weird. Here's the thought
I had that one thing that's changed between twenty twenty
(36:46):
and twenty twenty four, when Rudy Giuliani was claiming that
the ghost of Hugo Chavez hacked the system or something
like that. As near as I could tell, they're like,
these systems are unhackable. That's when hackers were human. In
the four years since that election, hackers have become computers.
AI has become a very powerful entity, and a guy
(37:13):
by the name of Elon Musk happens to own an
AI company. So maybe what was unhackable to a human
is not unhackable to a computer. These are things I'm saying.
I'm not saying they're turning the going room. I don't
want to be that guy. I was gonna say it,
(37:34):
they're turning the frogs gay folks. But I'm not saying
that they're turning the frogs gay. And I'm not saying
that the election was stolen. I'm saying that there's nothing
wrong with asking questions. And the reason they don't want
the people who to this day, in the face of
all the evidence coming from their side and their judges
(37:56):
and their election officials saying that the election wasn't stolen,
will still tell you the election was stolen. We'll still
tell you that the Democrats are responsible for January sixth,
and the Feds were responsible for January sixth, and Nancy
Pelosi could have called out the National Guard, but she
didn't want to to, which Donald Trump, now, however, many
(38:16):
years later, says, oh, I can call it the National
Guard to Los Angeles. I'm the president. I can call
them out anytime I want. Oh what happened? I thought
on January sixth, you wanted to call them out, but
Nancy Pelosi. So to Anny Trump's supporter, screw you to hell.
You've lost the right to criticize us as we have
(38:36):
this normal conversation about anomalies and weird stuff in a
weird year and a weird election, we get to talk
about it, right.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I mean they're still saying that they still I mean,
Trump is still calling for a recount of twenty twenty.
He won't give it up, which is weird because it's
like it doesn't matter now you know you're back in
the White House. You're gonna and democracy, right, but this
is ultimate.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
I mean, the the dictator, the fascist, the cult leader,
the dear leader is seeing they can change. Can they
change reality? Can I bend reality? That's power? Can I
rewrite history? Change reality so that things that actually happened
didn't happen, things that didn't happen did happen.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
M h, it's the sky blue? Is it green? It's
it's they mixed everything up so much that they make
it impossible to ask questions. Absolutely, it's it's scary. And
the thing is we were talking before about asking questions,
and you know why won't people They've made it so
(39:44):
that you can't even ask questions. If you ask a
question that they don't like, they kick you out. Trump
will say you're stupid, you're ugly. I don't want to
answer your question.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Your ratings are terrible, yeahs are terrible.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
He has they've made it so they rule and they
win by fear. All None of the Republicans that are
will stand up to him because they've made it so.
They fear for their families, they fear for their lives.
And so we're essentially being bringing it back to dear bully.
(40:21):
We're being ruled by bullies. It's like whoever has the
most powerful people on their side win and that's messed up.
That's not a democracy.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
No, we've abandoned democracy. So for just an ounce of
I guess equal time here, I will say that NPR
just had an article on came out twenty six of
this month, having nothing to do with the anomalies or
any of the strange stuff. But I'll just identify what
(40:54):
they said here quickly because it's something that I've talked
about and perhaps I was wrong, which is that I
felt like all the people who didn't vote and stayed home,
the uncommitted movement, the pro Palestine people, who I'm one
of them, and but I vote. I didn't think that
helping Benjamin Netanya, who's best friend, become president was would
(41:14):
be a good thing. But NPR says, according to a
Pew Research study that just came out, that Trump would
have won either way. Oh really yeah, huh, which I
don't buy. I don't buy.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Are they really because he just is canceling and PR
he's canceling that.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Wow, I like where your brain is on that? Are
they just trying to suck up to Trump to get there?
He would have wanted either way. What I don't Here's
what I don't see how how they can how they
can say this is because the majority of the people
in that movement, it is young people, college aged students,
(41:57):
couldn't vote in the last election, so they don't qualify
as likely or unlikely voters.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
You know.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
So they talk about like the people the likely voters
that stayed home that would have voted Harris, but they
stayed home, the but likely voters that stayed home that
would have voted Trump or whatever, And they crunched the
numbers and they determined that Trump would have won either way.
But what if the people that are protesting on college
campuses with that fire in their belly all got behind Harris.
(42:26):
I don't know that that wouldn't have put her over
the top. I think it would have. Still, I don't
know that they I don't know where they get this
metric of likely and unlikely voters.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, and it was so close too, It was like
like less than a percent or something. I mean, it
wasn't by any means a mandate she or a landslide, right,
which he you know, will go to his grave saying,
but I don't know. I hadn't seen that NPR thing.
I'm curious because they are on the way out NPR. Yeah. Yeah,
(42:58):
and he's can every like andbr everything that he doesn't like.
They're all being canceled.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yeah, well, as is education teaching people things. Facts are
being canceled. Journalism being canceled. Like we said, journalists don't
ask good questions anymore. People want to know about the
big beautiful bill.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Oh my god, has that passed yet?
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Though it passed, it's up for I think it's going
to go to the floor vote in the Senate now.
And don't could be started on that one. It's absolutely terrifying.
Here's a conspiracy theory. As long as we're doing the
conspiracy theory episode, I already I expressed a conspiracy theory.
A couple of weeks ago on the show, where I
(43:44):
said that I think that the one conspiracy theory I'm
starting to believe is that Republicans are all secret lizard people,
because that's why they're not doing anything about climate change.
They're trying to turn the earth into a big hot
rock for themselves. I like that.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yes, that's good. Well, you know, the aliens are coming,
so maybe that's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
But now I've forgotten what conspiracy theory I just had
because I was so determined to get to my joke.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
About the lizard people.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
No, that one I have. No, I was about to
say something else, and now it just went away.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Oh well, well I'll come up with my my theories. Well,
actually this is my thought.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
I remember mine, but I got it.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
You don't forget it.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
I don't want your Okay, here's mine. Here's another conspiracy theory.
As long as we're throwing them around and we're having
fun with them, folks, So let's say that you let's say,
let's do a thought experiment if we can the United
States in this thought experiment. This is going to be crazy,
But the United States of America has been taken over
by oligarchs and the billionaires are actually running the country,
(44:53):
and the people, the powerful people in this country have
information that climate change is actually real and that the
it is dying, and that resources are going to be scarce,
and they need to reduce the population of the earth
as fast as possible. If I were in that scenario,
I would think that the first thing they would do
(45:14):
would be to cancel all food and medical aid to
the poorest people in the world, and then throw as
many people off of medicaid in America as possible. There
you go, You've just reduced the population by one hundred
million people. They are trying to reduce the population of
the earth. Oh, conspiracy theory, that's a good I mean
(45:36):
good ones, don't I can't back them up.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
But well they're all building these like bunkers underground. Yeah,
you know, trying to populate Mars. That's what Elon's doing.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
So he can go, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Can you take Trump and foodin with them?
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Yeah, so it's yours.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
So no, I was just it was not only a
conspiracy theory. Although I will get my tinfoil hat like,
you know, if you ever have me back on again,
I will I will fully wear my tinfoil hat. I
just don't. This is what's something I don't get, Like
what you were saying, how why don't the people band
together and support each other? Like in the press conferences,
(46:19):
someone asks a question, do not leave the room until
that question is answered. Every single reporter, every I mean,
you're not gonna get Fox News, You're not gonna get Oan,
but every single outlet asks the question until it's answered.
And the same with the Republicans. If they all got
(46:39):
together and were like, you know what, no, I'm I
don't agree with Trump on this or I don't think
this is good. If they stuck together, he would have
been gone. You know, back in twenty seventeen, he would
have been gone. Why is it just power? Is that
the only is that the only.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Together? Strong, divided, we fall? And that's what the fascist
does is you divide the population, You create as many
little factions as you possibly can, and then you make
them fight each other. Yeah, and this is where we are,
as I keep saying, we are where we are at
the plane closed mask men, disappearing people into unmarked vehicles
(47:22):
stage of fascism, also known as full blown fascism.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yeah, I mean that's terrifying with just read like, you
know blue wherever Blue, Massachusetts. They've been ice rays, you
know in the next town over. It's it's scary. They
I now look up and see helicopters and I'm like,
is that you know a news crew or is that
you know ice? It's it's terrifying.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, well everyone's terrified, and they want you terrified, and
they want us fighting. And I don't know. I will
read you a quote that I just happen to have
on my phone here that I wrote down the other
day that I think is so apropos as to what
is happening. And I hate to say it. It is
(48:09):
because we're always hesitant to make the Nazi comparison because
people don't like it. But it was none other than
Hitler's director of propaganda, Joseph Gerbels. And he said, and
I quote and this is he said this. After Germany
voted away democracy, they basically gave Hitler full rights, and
(48:33):
Joseph Gerbel said it will always remain one of democracy's
best jokes. That it provided its deadly enemies with the
means by which it was destroyed. And that is the
truth about democracy, is that democracy leaves the door open
for you to vote away democracy. And we've seen it
done time and time again. Democracies usually go down by
(48:57):
vote democracies, you know, it's rare that they go down slowly,
erode democracies until they're not democracies anymore.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
And yeah, it's like it's it's fine until it's not.
Everything's great until it's not, and it's terrifying.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yeah, I'm going to go with we're at the it's
not phase of uh.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah, of the string. I mean, I'm sometimes I get
you know, my husband and my daughter get afraid for
me because they'll see like a white van outside our
house and they'll be like, she's talking too much about
you know, conspiracy theories are Trump and he's come after her.
But it's scary to even You heard about the Oslo guy, right,
the Norwegian tourist how he got kicked out of the
(49:47):
country because he had a meme of JD Vans.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
No, No, I thought you were talking about something else.
Tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
So a tourist. I think he was like, as you know,
funny something kid came to the country and they stopped
him and they said show me your phone, which is
they do that now? And he had a meme of
jd Vance being like that's been going around kind of
(50:15):
looking at a cabbage patch kid and like a baby.
And they didn't like that, and they said they asked
him if he'd ever done drugs and he said, I've
done it twice in my life. I've you know, smoked
pot twice. They kicked him out of the country. They
sent him back to uh to the Oslo and they
(50:38):
just were talking about it on the floor of I
believe it was in Ireland, the Irish Parliament. They were
talking about it about how America has fallen so far
so fast that now, yeah, they're kicking people out of
the country for having the I know a.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
Comedian who doesn't want to talk about this, so I
won't mention names because they want to protect themselves and
everyone has that right, you know, if you want to,
if you prefer to take care of your career over
your country, I personally let them come at me. But
that said, they were coming back into the country and
it customs. The agents asked them what do you do
(51:17):
and they said, I'm a comedian and they said do
you do jokes about Trump? And they were like no,
And they're like Okay, you can come in. But I
mean it could have been just a curious agent, but
scary stuff. Nonetheless, start watching what we can joke about.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
I mean, that's it's terrifying. And I did you know
if there's a quote I think it was from Stalin
where he said they were going to I'm paraphrasing, but
they were going to take down America, but they own
they weren't going to do it with weapons. They were
going to do it from the inside, and like kind
of is happening.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, you know who else said that? Abraham Lincoln? He said,
no foreign army will ever take down the United States
of America. If we're going to die, it will be
by our own hand.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Well, you know, he is not as popular as Trump's.
Trump is more popular than Lincoln and Washington. If you
didn't know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
I'd like to say that Trump cancels out Lincoln. Sorry, Republicans,
Now you got nothing. That's all you had. You had Lincoln,
Trump cancels Lincoln. You got nothing. Did we leave anything
out with the uh mystery of the twenty twenty four
election before we wrap things up? Was there anything else
(52:43):
you wanted to get to? Uh?
Speaker 2 (52:45):
No, that's I mean, that's pretty much what I've read online.
I mean, like, let's go back to I have no
inside information. I you know, this is all things that
are going on online. And the unfortunate thing is they
said even if which I'm curious what you think you
even if they did find out that Elon hacked it,
and you know, everything is excellent and they stole it,
(53:06):
it wouldn't matter because they're already she's already conceded.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Well, it would matter. But what I'm worried about, and
the point people keep making is that even if it
were true, that no one's gonna do anything about it.
But it does matter. Oh yeah, he lost the election
and he was placed in the White House. Anyway, that
definitely matters. And I you know, who would agree with me,
every Republican who said that about Biden. It matters if
(53:32):
we got the wrong guy in there. And it does.
And I'm not saying that that's the case, but it
definitely matters. But we also live in a world where
people are like, who cares, dude, who cares? Even if
that's true, what are you gonna do about it? What
are you gonna do about it? I don't talk about it,
have Meghan Kelly Hall, come on my podcast and tell
me all about it. That's what I'm gonna do. And
I don't know what else, but I'll do something, and
(53:52):
it matters. And we can't sweep things under the rug.
If there's an anomaly or there's something strange, identify it
and then to me, why I'm wrong to think that
that's a red flag. But they sure look like red
flags to me. It was a weird election. It's a
weird election year.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
They don't want us to talk about it, that's the thing.
They don't want anyone to question them.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Yeah, you'd think they more than anyone would be like, Okay,
let's talk about whether or not it was stolen, because
last time we said it was stolen, and we did
nothing but talk about it for four years straight. So
now it's your turn. Let's air out your grievances. But no,
shut it down. And Democrats always trying to do the
right thing and be the bigger people, and unfortunately with Trump,
(54:38):
being the bigger people has messed us up in the past.
Trying to say, oh, we're going to rise above it,
you know, Hillary Clinton trying to rise above his childishness.
You know, she said I'll never forget this. And I
was not. I was full. Everyone knows that. Listen to
the show. I'm a Bernie bro and in twenty sixteen,
(54:58):
I was died in the wall. Bernie bro. So, Hillary
Clinton was not my first choice. But she said in
an interview after the election that debate she had with
him when he was hovering over her. You remember that
she said that she had to fight off this incredible temptation,
this desire to turn around and go back off creep.
(55:20):
And I thought to myself, why didn't you? That would
have been it right there. Every woman in America would
have gotten it that this five foot whatever, five six woman.
Donald Trump's what six two? I know I say that,
and people like he's a liar. He's like he's tall.
Wowever tall he is six foot two man hovering over
(55:41):
if she turned around and said back off creep, but
she wanted to be presidential, and presidential people don't say
stuff like back off creep. They just say stuff like
all the vile, terrible, horrible shit. Donald Trump says, now
again back to the bully thing. What's going on with
the kids. Yeah, don't you think of the children, Why
(56:06):
don't you think of the children. What are you doing
to the children? You're turning them into little creeps? Yeah,
hi Yi, Sure was great to see you again after
all these years.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yeah, thank you for so much for having me. This
was fun.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
Yeah, anytime, and come back and give us some updates
on what's going on in the world of anomalies in
the voting machine, the ghosts in the machine.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
Should I wear my shaman hat?
Speaker 1 (56:40):
No? That weirdo. Where can people find you on the
socials if they want to follow you, because you do
post about this often.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
I do, well. I'm on threads a lot. I used
to be on Twitter, but as when it turned to
x I kind of dropped that there are too many trolls.
And Blue Sky I'm on Blue Tito.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah, so that'd be at Megan, Kelly Hall and E
G A n K E L L y H A
y E y you met you last wow here all right?
Well with that, Megan, absolute pleasure. Thank you so much
for coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
Thank you for having me. This is fun.
I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson. Hey, I'm Adam Carola Gillette. Not
only listening, I'm a guest.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm a teller, and I am a fourth listener.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
And I am the fourth listener, and that must make
me at least the fourth listener. It's Dogma Debate with
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and join our Patreon And welcome to what promises to
(00:31):
be such a fascinating episode of Dogma Debate. Because my
old fred Meegan Kelly Hall is here. She is an author.
She wrote the children's book Sisters of Misery, and she
also wrote a what would You Say? A collection called
(00:52):
Dear Bully about bullying, and you went into the schools
and lectured people on bullying. Speaking of schools, we went
to high school together. Meghan is here because she has
been posting a lot about this notion that I've seen
a bunch of times that Donald Trump lost twenty twenty
four and that the Shenanigans went down. And I said, Meghan,
(01:17):
do you wind coming on the show and telling me
all about this? Because I don't know enough about it
to make a conclusion one way or the other. So Meghan,
welcome to dog debate.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Hi there, Michael, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Of course, great to see you. And I'm just telling you, folks,
Megan hasn't changed a bit. I don't know how how
she did that because we did not go to high
school yesterday, but she looks fantastic.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So oh, thank you, of course.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
So why you were telling me about the Dear Bully book?
Tell me about that because you said that not only
did you go into schools and lecture about bullying, but
that Donald Trump broke you. And that sounds like a
good way to get into the conversation we're going to
have today. So would you mind telling me a little
bit about that?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Sure? Yeah. So I put together this anthology of young
adult authors and they all shared their stories about bullying,
and we had seventy authors, we had like rl Stein,
we had like all the It was back in twenty
eleven that it came out, and so after that I
(02:21):
started going into schools and talking to kids about bullying,
and you know, it was it was shocking. It was
very satisfying, but it was also shocking to hear some
of the stories about how these kids just felt like
they had nowhere to go, no one would listen to them,
and so I remember, you know, we would all we'd
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have all these panels and we would all sort of
give advice about you know, just go up the chain
of command. You know, you don't feel like you're in
this alone. There's so many people around you that will
help you, and you go. If your teacher doesn't listen,
go to the principle, If the principal doesn't listen, go
to the superintendent, and just all the way, I'm like,
all the way up to Obama, because you know, our
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country will not stand for this, like this is not
something that our country is all about. Until Donald Trump
and I found I didn't have anything to say to
these kids anymore because I don't know, I didn't know
how to deal with a bully, like the bully in chief.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, that's so true. I mean, how do people deal
with bullies nowadays when the I don't know what used
to be the example of, you know, of great American
morals in ideology, the president is the biggest bully ever
on the planet pretty much, Yeah, on the planet. I mean,
(03:45):
nicknames are the domain of bullies. Yeah, yeah, I looked out.
I just got Rejiggielo. I'm sure it could have gotten
far worse than that. For I could think of a
few nicknames that bullies had for other kids in our school,
but they were terrible. They're terrible. Nicknames are terrible. And
it goes way beyond the nicknames. I mean, as you know,
he mocked a disabled person. M but I mean, he's
(04:10):
just he's the worst person ever.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And it's it doesn't stop and it doesn't change. And
the thing that I always told the kids when I
went to school is, you know, bullies never win. They
you know, they're the karma will come back to them.
And now how do you tell kids that that bullies
never win when one of them was elected president twice twice? Yeah,
(04:35):
I mean it's it's, uh, it's terrifying because it's it
just teaches kids all the wrong things, Like it's teaching
them you can cheat, you can steal, you can be mean,
you can bully.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
If you lose, just complain about it, say you didn't lose.
Never admit defeat. Never be humble right, never be humbled,
never apologize. All the things that we learned as kids
are being unlearned and I do worry about that. And
I you and I were talking before the show started
and I said, I'm not optimistic. And anyone that listens
to this show knows that I'm not optimistic, that I'm
(05:08):
not exactly like, hey, we're going to get him in
the mid terms, that we're gonna beat them and we're
gonna get everything back to normal. I'm like, this could
be it, Like I really think that. And one of
the reasons I say that is that they there's this
giant chunk of the voting populist now that has never
known different, Like Donald Trump has been around since twenty sixteen.
Now next time he runs, it's going to be twenty
(05:30):
twenty eight, So I mean twenty fifteen really is when
he started with this campaign. So there's people that are
going to be well into their twenties that have no
recollection of the president being a decent, good person like
we had sometimes not always, but we always had a
guy that pretended to be a decent, good person that
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we did always.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Have, right, Yeah. And the thing is, I mean, even
w he was at least you know, family person, a
nice guy. You know, he made a lot of mistakes,
He'd lied and you know all that. But yeah, but
he's trying to good person.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I think, yeah, I think. You know what, boys, I've
said so many things on this show that have gotten
me kicked out of club Liberal recently, including that I
watch a lot of police body camera footage and I said,
I think the police have a really hard job and
they deserve some respect. Wow, I heard about that one.
You're out of the club. But yeah, w I mean, look,
(06:37):
I've said it many times before. For for one, he
used the legal means that were at his disposal to
push a very conservative agenda, but he didn't go extra judicial.
He didn't go around the constitution in any way, shape
or form, you know. And when it comes to the
Iraq war, I said it then and I'll say it
(06:58):
till till the end that he didn't do anything every
other president did. The problem is that we made it
okay for presidents to invade countries without declaring war, starting
with Korea and Eisenhower. Kennedy technically got us into Vietnam,
but plenty of other people did. We had previous Gulf Wars.
We bombed the hell out of Panama, we bombed the
(07:21):
hell out of Kosovo. We did things that were clearly
war without declaring war, and he just did the same.
So you're blaming Bush for doing something that a lot
of people had done. Clinton had done it, you know.
And so I do think that there's some chance that
George W. Bush is a decent man. I don't know him,
(07:43):
but I never got a creepy vibe off of him.
Never heard him bragging about hanging out in the miss
ted USA dressing room. He's not on the Epstein list
to the last, to the best of my knowledge.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I don't think so. I don't think i've heard that.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Although Clinton might be.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, but I never liked him either, to be honest
with you, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Me, neither honestly, And you know I was actually is
it a secret to say that you were a young Republican?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
No? In fact, I talk about it all the time.
In fact, I just finished my screenplay entitled Young Republicans.
My trip to Washington, d C. For the inauguration of
George H. W. Bush. Even though I was too young
to vote, I campaigned for him. We went to Washington
and our chaperone didn't show up, so five nerdy Republicans
(08:39):
painted the town read by ourselves chaperone lists and I
wrote a screenplay about it.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
That's amazing. How old you're like, sixteen or seventeen? Yeah, sixteen,
that's that is crazy. That's yeah. I want to I
want to read your screenplay.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Was one more one more revision, I think, and we'll
we'll get it your way. But yeah, I mean, let
me express something to you that had me face palming
just this morning thinking about the press in normal times.
If the key advisor, the biggest advisor to the president
(09:16):
of the United States, with unprecedented access to classified information,
came out and said, the President of the United States
is in the files. His name is in the files
for a pedophile ring, a convicted pedophile ring. The same
president who bragged about watching young women dress, the same
(09:37):
president who at Giselaine Maxwell's trial, a girl said she
was fourteen years old and Jeffrey Epstein brought her tomorrow
ago to meet Donald Trump, to which I say, imagine
you're a fifty year old man and you're throwing a
party and another fifty year old man brings a fourteen
year old gold to the party. And if you say, oh,
(09:58):
is that your niece, uh foreign exchange student, your family's hosting, like,
who is this she's your date? I know I would
call nine one one, get that girl away from this
pervert pedophile, call nine one one and make this a
legal matter immediately. Nope, Nope. According to the woman, she's
(10:21):
a woman now, she was fourteen at the time. They
just hung out with Donald Trump. He was okay with it.
Jeffrey Epstein brought a fourteen year old Anyway. The point
I'm driving to is, if all those things were the case,
every time Caroline Levitt opened the floor to questions, the
only question should be is the president of pedophile? Is
the president of pedophile? Excuse me? His top advisor says
he's implicated with a pedophile ring. I've not heard one
(10:44):
goddamn question. Yeah, but it's so what. Some things are
worth getting kicked out, Some things are worth getting beat
up for, some things are worth dying for. I mean,
this is just what reality is. And getting kicked out
of the White House press room because you asked the
most relevant question probably in the history of the United
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States of America. Is the president on that list? What
what does it say about him? I mean, I've played
the clips so many times of them asking Trump, will
you release the JFK files. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
Epstein files maybe, but there's a lot of photy stuff
(11:27):
in there. He says it right up.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Like Elon was the one who said it, because yeah,
you didn't know that. No, I do know that, and
I remember that, and I was just wondering if it
was someone else, like Cash Battel or any of like.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
No, no, no, no, no no. In fact, Cash Battel, as
long as we're spilling tea here, is that the expression
I'm not hip anymore? Is it spilling tea? Uh?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, that's kind of old though. You know my daughter
too and she doesn't even use that anymore.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
So okay, well I'm so old that it's new to
me expression the kids. Uh I said thirty years ago.
It's the hippest thing I got in me. But that
said Cash Bettel was on Joe Rogan when Elon tweeted
that and they asked him about it. Cash Hotel is
the head of the FBI. He's the director of the FBI.
He is in control of the very file Elon was referencing,
(12:19):
and Cash Hotel didn't deny that he's in there. He
just went, leave me out of that man, Leave me.
He literally said, like, leave me out of it. I
don't want to get involved in this, dolude. I can't
imagine something more worthy of your attention as the head
of the FBI than the president is implicated in a
pedophile ring.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Right, yeah, it's it is like a if it would
be funny, if it wasn't so scary and sad. The
fact that he has you know, Pam Bondi is his
personal attorney. He thinks she is.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Absolutely He wanted everyone else to be Bill Barr et cetera,
et cetera, and they wouldn't quite be his personal attorney
almost but not quite. Now she's just straight up oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And you know Karen Lovett is just you know, like
straight out of North Korea, Russia. It's it's State TV.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
It maid's tail. Yeah, yeah, that's what she's really. Out
of those big giant crosses she wears.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah. Have you seen the girl on TikTok who makes
who like? Yeah, she does like the she has got
the crosses that are made out of like hot dog
like every day with something new.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
But it's just so crazy that the faction of people
in America conservatives that rail against things like virtue signaling.
What the hell do you think wearing a giant cross
every day is, if not literally virtue signaling. M But yeah,
I mean, look, just the only questions they should be
(13:51):
asking her about the pedophile ring, like, and then the
other one is, excuse me, the President of the United
States has a means by which anybody can anonymous deposit
any amount of money into his bank account, which we
know they've done with the meme coin, and we know
at least in one case, a guy by the name
of Justin Son. Do you know this story. Justin Son
(14:11):
is a crypto guy, a Chinese crypto billionaire. He was
under investigation. In fact, I think they had pressed charges
through the SEC the Securities and Exchange Commission against him.
He gave Donald Trump said he bought seventy five million
dollars worth of Trump meme coins, and they dropped the investigation.
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It just went away.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
It's so corrupt, it's like it's a bad movie. It's
you know, no one would believe the plot. It's it's
the corruption. I watched the one that you had with
Joe Walsh. Yeah, the interview and where he said he's
just doing Trump is just doing everything out in the open,
and he thinks that that's what will you know, absolve
(14:55):
him of any crimes if he just crimes in front
of everybody.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure this is something he learned
from Roy Kohane or whatever his training was. You know that,
you know, you never apologize, which again talking about the
bullies again the kids growing up who were getting the
worst example. Possibly, but you know, and just yeah, do
your crimes in the open, then it's not a crime.
(15:20):
It's when you try and hide it that everyone knows
it's a crime.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
If you do it in the open, then it's not
a crime.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
No big deal.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
They're trying to hide it. That's the thing that gives
you away that you knew it was a crime.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
They asked Trump about the meme coin recently, are you
going to divest from these meme coins? And he didn't
answer the question. He said, if we didn't have meme
coins or if we didn't have crypto, China would but
China does have like but not nothing makes sense with.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
This guy, no, And I it was like kind of
quaint back in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, and the whole
emolument's clause and that he was like, oh no, you know,
Kelly and Conway is talking about buying Evanka's jewelry on
the White House lawn, like she can't do that. Now.
It's just like i'me on everybody, you know, everything, everything's
(16:11):
for sale.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah no, I mean absolutely. He's already selling T shirts
and hats that say Daddy like I mean, I day, yeah,
I'm on his mailing list. The President of the United
States still is asking for money all the time. What
does he need it for? What does he just writes
(16:32):
to his supporters. Dear Michael, he said last time, not
that it's him at all, but I hate to ask,
but I need you to send me two hundred dollars
right away to fight the liberals. You're the freaking president.
What do you need my money for to fight the liberals?
And they just oh, you got it, you got it,
you got it. I mean, these are just crazy, crazy,
(16:57):
crazy days, and the Supreme Court decision that came down
this last week are just making things even worse. The
fact that now we cannot have federal injunctions. You know
that federal courts cannot have wide sweeping powers to say
that something is unconstitutional. Then, plus the slippery slope of
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religion in the classroom parents in Maryland or anywhere now,
I suppose, but the case that went to the Supreme
Court had to do with Maryland specifically. But if the
school is teaching that gay people are okay and not
the spawn of Satan, you can pull your kid out
of the class legally.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
That's the next step. I know that Clarence Thomas wants
to overturn is it bochevel the same sex marriage. He
wants to get rid of that, and that means been
very open about that.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, and back to the States. That's what they say,
states rights. You know who all said states rights the Confederacy.
But I'm actually slowly becoming convinced that this is who
we've elected, that this is the Confederacy that the South
did rise again and.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
They rose, well, they have the flag still those are
like right out and brown and you know.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
The market And they're naming military bases after Robert E.
Lee Trader to the United States of America, responsible for
murdering killing American soldiers, and they're celebrating him and naming
military bases after him. And Pete Hegsith said last week
when stripping a Navy ship of the name Harvey Milk.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Oh remember that.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, he stripped it of because and he said, people
want to be proud of the ship they're sailing on to,
which I'm like, who are these people that were not
proud of a civil rights icon who gave his life
fighting for gay rights in the navy. By the way, Uh,
but did you take that into account when renaming the
base General Robert E. Lee? Are you sure everyone's proud
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of that military base? You're such liars, there's such bonies.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Oh, everything out of their mouths are lies and they
contradict each other. And it's like it's scary because we're
just watching like it's it's like the dominoes are falling
and we're here like there's if this is what drives
me crazy. I get it. I know that the Democrats
don't have any power right now. I get it that
(19:32):
they you know, they're not they don't run the House,
they don't run the Senate. Do something, you know. It's
just I feel like they need to like Mitch McConnell,
you know, Sketchy Mitch. He did everything he possibly could
to just screw up everything Obama wanted to do, you know,
(19:52):
maybe channel him. I know, it's like, you know, you
have to like douse yourself with like holy water after
but try to like get into the mind of Mitch
McConnell and like do these things to sort of just fight.
I mean, some of the senators, I have to admit,
are doing a really good job. You know, book did
the you know, twenty five hours on the floor. Chris
(20:14):
Murphy has been fighting a lot. But I just feel
like they're just like, oh, well, nothing with Chuck Schumer.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I am writing a strongly worded letter to uh Trump's
Justice Department and asking that they get back to me
within a reasonable amount of time depending on their schedules.
Get the hell out of here, AOC, I mean, get
out of the way. Unstoppable at this point, Yeah, she's
going to be the nominee. I can't believe it, but
(20:42):
I you know, she seems.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
She's amazing, and they've turned her into the boogeyman. Like
I feel bad for her because she they like they
she's so hated.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
And I don't feel bad for her at all. She
loves it. No, Now let them let them have there's
slings and arrows and throw them at her. That makes
her more powerful. And there's slings and arrows are pathetic
and weak. They're hilarious. I follow a lot of right
wing media and they make up stef that she never
(21:14):
said and then laugh at it, knowing that she never
said it.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Right, They lie flat out. It's just like Fox News.
It's like, don't even watch it. It's just lie after
lie after lie.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, I'm reminded of something that FDR said about right wingers.
He said, they are united in their hate for me,
and I welcome their hate for me, and that is
how I think she should feel about it, you know,
But the fact that.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
They risk it puts her. It puts her life at
risk though. I mean, look what happened in Nancy Pelosi's husband.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Sure, sure, absolutely there's that. There is that, but their
rage just makes her more powerful. I mean it really does.
I mean, the young people are curious why they hate
her so much, but I was gonna say, it's like
it's so telling that they can't get her on anything
she's actually said, so they make these things up, like
I saw one the other day where it showed her
(22:08):
picture and by the way, I mean not that it matters,
but like putting her picture on the memes ain't helping
your cause because she is gorgeous, you know, and it's
like way too way to advertise to every young person
that this beautiful young politician is out there fighting for you.
But what it said was the reason people are eluding
(22:31):
Apple stores is because they need to feed their families.
And then all these right wingers laughing at it, Oh
my god, she's so stupid. It's like, dude, it's so
telling that she never said that, and that's that you
have to make up stuff because you have nothing. She's
actually articulate, she's actually really smart. So the best you
can do as you dumb ass right wingers. I mean,
(22:54):
we don't make up stuff. Marjorie Taylor Green said, we
quote her word for word. You're making stuff up because
you got nothing. She's smart, she's articulate, and she's right.
So you have to make ship up. That shows your weakness,
not hers.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah. Yeah, And you know she's got AOC like you know,
she's got the initials that like the power.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
You know, jfk fd R you know, I mean it
has a certain you know, sense of grandiose strength to it.
You know. Yeah, Yeah, I think she's unstoppable.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I think she's gonna run for like president or do
you think I would.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I think she's coming for a Schumer's seat for sure, rightly,
So yeah, get absolutely. I have been saying for a
long time it's time to chuck Chuck. Shouldn't be chuck Chuck.
If we could chuck Chuck, would chucking Chuck not be good?
I think we would. We would chuck Chuck. If we
could chuck Chuck, chucking Chuck would be good. Sorry, the
(24:02):
Canadian and me still has my bits that I.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
No, that's good. I like that.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
So why don't we dive into it? So you've been
posting a lot about the idea, the notion that Donald
Trump actually lost.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Four Yeah, it's it's a theory, you know, and it's
something that I'm praying is actually happening. In terms of
this lawsuit, so Rockland County, New York, Yeah, they are
now suing. They are now going they have a lawsuit
(24:41):
against They are doing discovery right now. I took some
notes they're doing discovery on. There have been all these
inconsistencies in the voting and in a lot of counties
that were very democratic, Kamala got zero votes. I saw that,
(25:04):
and these are these are counties that went for Jilibrand, Like, yeah,
you know, seventy five percent of the populace went for Jilibrand.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
But who's a Democrat?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yes, a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
She was running for Senate. She's a Democrat. So at
the on the bottom of the taken out on the
bottom but not at the top top is Kamala Below
that is Jilibrand, also Democrat. She gets seventy five percent
of the vote, Harris gets zero zero. That's a red flag, right,
it's got to be.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah. But the interesting thing is that the woman who
actually brought the suit originally, like they're first, is Smart Elections,
which is this advocacy group for you know, they're like
a non partisan watchdog for fair and safe elections. And
the woman who actually brought it is not a fill
(26:00):
with Smart. She is an independent woman named Diane Sarah
sorry Sarah, and she was running for she was running
against Jillibrand. And she got people on the record, she
had them, you know, do legal affidavits that they voted
(26:23):
for Diane and not Jilibrand. And in these and this
is why she got tipped off because in these counties
where people said, you know, under oath or whatever, that
they voted for Diane. She said she didn't get any votes.
So she was like, Okay, that's weird. You know, that's
(26:43):
all these people are telling me they voted for me.
They're saying it, you know, these legal affidavits that they
voted for me, and nothing is coming up. So that
so she in smart election smart yeah, smart election, smart legislation,
decided to to the county to get discovery and to
sort of figure out what's going on. The Judge Rachel
(27:07):
Tangue of the Supreme Court of New York, she thought
the allegations were serious enough to allow it to go
forward and to allow discovery. So I did just read
that like today, I think it today someone from Rockland
County just filed a motion to dismiss, which would include
(27:28):
a stay of all discovery, which means I can't do
any more investigation. But I don't know if that is
going to be overturned. I hope it is. But as
of now, they have a court date of September twenty second,
so and in that complaint they're saying they want information
(27:50):
on voting machines, voter rolls, software updates, forensic grade hard drives, equipment,
diagramed like everything flash drives the chain of custody, and yeah,
they want everything they want to see. They want to
do a hand recount of everything. And of course Rocola
(28:11):
County and the people there, I'm sure some Republicans are
fighting at tooth and nail because they don't want it
to be discovered. So that is like sort of like
the you know, the tipping point. I feel, I hope
that because other counties are kind of feeling the same thing.
I know someone in Arizona, in that famous Maricopa County,
(28:35):
a Republican actually is he's asking for like a recount,
a hand recount, because he thinks that there were some
things that were going on, but of course not for Kamala,
like probably for him, like I should have gotten more
boats or whatever. But this is the weird thing. So
this is so I've been following this and I keep
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you know, reading all the substats real quick.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Has anybody offered up any explanation how it's possible that
Jilibrand would get seventy five percent of the vote and
Harris would get zero votes other than I guess nobody
liked her. I mean, is there any explanation somebody could
offer how that could be.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
No, I mean I haven't heard anything. I haven't read anything.
They haven't offered any sort of I mean they're just
saying like, oh, you know, they just left it blank. Sorry,
they didn't want to vote for Kamala. They must have
had zero people.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And I saw the numbers. I mean they weren't small.
They were in the hundred, Like one of them was
six hundred something. An other thing I saw was nine
hundred something people to.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Different towns or you know, had nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, her people in these towns vote nine hundred some
voted for jillibrand zero. Not one Democrat who was willing
to vote for the Democrat for Senate voted for the
Democrat for president against Donald Trump. You're a Democrat, right.
It doesn't make sense to me, I don't you know.
I don't like throwing in with the conspiracy theory and
(30:02):
saying I think it's true. But I am more than
happy to say that's odd.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
And that's the problem is that the whole stop to
steal that I swear that they did, that they have
perpetuated all this all these years later, that there was
election interference, so just so that the Democrats would not
want to do anything like that. They don't. They've even
(30:30):
said it, right, They've even said, like on the record
that not one Democrat is questioning the results. And you
know the things that are being talked about online is
that they don't want to cast doubt on the election process.
So that's why they're not saying anything. So the Republicans
(30:52):
have I think this is all my theory, Like this is,
you know, allegedly allegedly over everything. The Republicans know this,
They know how Democrats' minds work. They know that they
don't you know, they were the conspiracy theorists, and that
Democrats are not going to want to go down that
(31:12):
road by any means, and which is true. I mean,
Kamala hasn't said anything. You know, every senator they've all
said it was a free and fair election because that's
what they said over twenty twenty, which it was because
you know, Christopher Krebs, who was the SIZZA, I believe
he was in charge of securing the election and it
(31:36):
was a Republican was a pointed by Trump. Yeah, he
said it was a free and fair election. So Republicans
know this and now that this is why they know
that no Democrat is going to say, wait a minute,
this is weird, you know. It's it's a little weird
that that Elon knew four hours before everybody else that
(31:58):
they were going to win. Trump was going to win.
It's a little weird that Elon brought his four year
old son on Tucker Carlson the night of the election,
and the little kid said something to the effect of
we quiet starlink, quietly does whatever we want. No one
will know like these things that a four year old
does not say. Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I didn't even see that clip. That's his news to me.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, you got to go online. Just look up Elon
and Tucker Carlson election night, and the adorable little boy
is just I think he's just parroting. Well sorry, yeah,
so yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
He is.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Uh he said that it was quietly doing whatever we
want with starlink. So I mean, that's weird. How does
how did he know before everybody else that Trump won
four hours before? Apparently he had this algorithm or whatever.
The fact that he came out and said I think
(32:58):
in March anything can be hacked, Like they're just all
these things that I mean, I know, I'm sounding like
a crazy conspiracy theorist. But going down that rabbit hole,
I actually called there's a company called pro v and
V allegedly they well, no, they're not alleged, they are real.
(33:20):
They were the ones who did the testing for all
of about forty percent of all the voting machines in
the country right before the election. They said something about
they were doing changes, they were updating everything.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
All I saw this I read something. It might have
been a Reddit thread, which is why I can't really
talk about it because it's hard to verify. But I
did see something about this.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, and this is what Smart Elections has said, So like,
this isn't just like a reddit you know, crazy, but
they said it was. The changes were uh d wait,
what is it? De minimous? They called them the changes
that they did were de minimous, which means that they
(34:11):
were such minor tweaks but they had no effect on
the ballot scanners, the modified files the machines flagged by
SIZZA by calling them de minimous, they avoided a full testing,
public scrutiny, transparency. They just were able to go in
(34:33):
and do the updates without anyone, without third party oversight.
So this is a company called pro v and B
and they're in Alabama. And the big thing that Smart
Election said that right after, right after the election, the
(34:54):
website went down. They reached out to the company. No
one's there. I actually called the company wow personally and
I called and it was it just rang and rang
and rang and rang and rang, and that you can
like go onto their website. They have their they have
their email, they have their phone number. What company do
(35:16):
you know, like a security company that doesn't have anybody
picking up the phone, doesn't have voicemail, doesn't have like
anything like you know, everything has the voicemail now, yeah,
nothing nothing. This Jack Cobb, who is like the CEO
of it, has given quotes to different magazines or newspapers
(35:40):
like Newsweek and I think it was Economic Times, But
no one knows who he is, Like I don't think
anyone's actually spoken to him. So it's just a lot
of I don't know. And the thing is, I'm I know,
I'm hearing myself. I'm sounding like the stop the Steal crazy,
but it's just it's just weird enough to be like,
(36:00):
you know, maybe.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
No, we have every right to ask these questions, and
it's and you know, They used to say that if
Alex Jones didn't already exist, the government would have created
him because he creates this stink on conspiracy theories. So
anytime somebody says something yeah, critical of the government, or
(36:25):
that they think some shenanigans are going on, they get
the tinfoil hat put on them and immediately it's shut down.
And it makes people afraid to say things like this.
So there's nothing wrong with looking at the information and
scratching your head and saying it's weird. Here's the thought
I had that one thing that's changed between twenty twenty
(36:46):
and twenty twenty four, when Rudy Giuliani was claiming that
the ghost of Hugo Chavez hacked the system or something
like that. As near as I could tell, they're like,
these systems are unhackable. That's when hackers were human. In
the four years since that election, hackers have become computers.
AI has become a very powerful entity, and a guy
(37:13):
by the name of Elon Musk happens to own an
AI company. So maybe what was unhackable to a human
is not unhackable to a computer. These are things I'm saying.
I'm not saying they're turning the going room. I don't
want to be that guy. I was gonna say it,
(37:34):
they're turning the frogs gay folks. But I'm not saying
that they're turning the frogs gay. And I'm not saying
that the election was stolen. I'm saying that there's nothing
wrong with asking questions. And the reason they don't want
the people who to this day, in the face of
all the evidence coming from their side and their judges
(37:56):
and their election officials saying that the election wasn't stolen,
will still tell you the election was stolen. We'll still
tell you that the Democrats are responsible for January sixth,
and the Feds were responsible for January sixth, and Nancy
Pelosi could have called out the National Guard, but she
didn't want to to, which Donald Trump, now, however, many
(38:16):
years later, says, oh, I can call it the National
Guard to Los Angeles. I'm the president. I can call
them out anytime I want. Oh what happened? I thought
on January sixth, you wanted to call them out, but
Nancy Pelosi. So to Anny Trump's supporter, screw you to hell.
You've lost the right to criticize us as we have
(38:36):
this normal conversation about anomalies and weird stuff in a
weird year and a weird election, we get to talk
about it, right.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I mean they're still saying that they still I mean,
Trump is still calling for a recount of twenty twenty.
He won't give it up, which is weird because it's
like it doesn't matter now you know you're back in
the White House. You're gonna and democracy, right, but this
is ultimate.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
I mean, the the dictator, the fascist, the cult leader,
the dear leader is seeing they can change. Can they
change reality? Can I bend reality? That's power? Can I
rewrite history? Change reality so that things that actually happened
didn't happen, things that didn't happen did happen.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
M h, it's the sky blue? Is it green? It's
it's they mixed everything up so much that they make
it impossible to ask questions. Absolutely, it's it's scary. And
the thing is we were talking before about asking questions,
and you know why won't people They've made it so
(39:44):
that you can't even ask questions. If you ask a
question that they don't like, they kick you out. Trump
will say you're stupid, you're ugly. I don't want to
answer your question.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Your ratings are terrible, yeahs are terrible.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
He has they've made it so they rule and they
win by fear. All None of the Republicans that are
will stand up to him because they've made it so.
They fear for their families, they fear for their lives.
And so we're essentially being bringing it back to dear bully.
(40:21):
We're being ruled by bullies. It's like whoever has the
most powerful people on their side win and that's messed up.
That's not a democracy.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
No, we've abandoned democracy. So for just an ounce of
I guess equal time here, I will say that NPR
just had an article on came out twenty six of
this month, having nothing to do with the anomalies or
any of the strange stuff. But I'll just identify what
(40:54):
they said here quickly because it's something that I've talked
about and perhaps I was wrong, which is that I
felt like all the people who didn't vote and stayed home,
the uncommitted movement, the pro Palestine people, who I'm one
of them, and but I vote. I didn't think that
helping Benjamin Netanya, who's best friend, become president was would
(41:14):
be a good thing. But NPR says, according to a
Pew Research study that just came out, that Trump would
have won either way. Oh really yeah, huh, which I
don't buy. I don't buy.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Are they really because he just is canceling and PR
he's canceling that.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Wow, I like where your brain is on that? Are
they just trying to suck up to Trump to get there?
He would have wanted either way. What I don't Here's
what I don't see how how they can how they
can say this is because the majority of the people
in that movement, it is young people, college aged students,
(41:57):
couldn't vote in the last election, so they don't qualify
as likely or unlikely voters.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
You know.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
So they talk about like the people the likely voters
that stayed home that would have voted Harris, but they
stayed home, the but likely voters that stayed home that
would have voted Trump or whatever, And they crunched the
numbers and they determined that Trump would have won either way.
But what if the people that are protesting on college
campuses with that fire in their belly all got behind Harris.
(42:26):
I don't know that that wouldn't have put her over
the top. I think it would have. Still, I don't
know that they I don't know where they get this
metric of likely and unlikely voters.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, and it was so close too, It was like
like less than a percent or something. I mean, it
wasn't by any means a mandate she or a landslide, right,
which he you know, will go to his grave saying,
but I don't know. I hadn't seen that NPR thing.
I'm curious because they are on the way out NPR. Yeah. Yeah,
(42:58):
and he's can every like andbr everything that he doesn't like.
They're all being canceled.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yeah, well, as is education teaching people things. Facts are
being canceled. Journalism being canceled. Like we said, journalists don't
ask good questions anymore. People want to know about the
big beautiful bill.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Oh my god, has that passed yet?
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Though it passed, it's up for I think it's going
to go to the floor vote in the Senate now.
And don't could be started on that one. It's absolutely terrifying.
Here's a conspiracy theory. As long as we're doing the
conspiracy theory episode, I already I expressed a conspiracy theory.
A couple of weeks ago on the show, where I
(43:44):
said that I think that the one conspiracy theory I'm
starting to believe is that Republicans are all secret lizard people,
because that's why they're not doing anything about climate change.
They're trying to turn the earth into a big hot
rock for themselves. I like that.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yes, that's good. Well, you know, the aliens are coming,
so maybe that's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
But now I've forgotten what conspiracy theory I just had
because I was so determined to get to my joke.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
About the lizard people.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
No, that one I have. No, I was about to
say something else, and now it just went away.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Oh well, well I'll come up with my my theories. Well,
actually this is my thought.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
I remember mine, but I got it.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
You don't forget it.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
I don't want your Okay, here's mine. Here's another conspiracy theory.
As long as we're throwing them around and we're having
fun with them, folks, So let's say that you let's say,
let's do a thought experiment if we can the United
States in this thought experiment. This is going to be crazy,
But the United States of America has been taken over
by oligarchs and the billionaires are actually running the country,
(44:53):
and the people, the powerful people in this country have
information that climate change is actually real and that the
it is dying, and that resources are going to be scarce,
and they need to reduce the population of the earth
as fast as possible. If I were in that scenario,
I would think that the first thing they would do
(45:14):
would be to cancel all food and medical aid to
the poorest people in the world, and then throw as
many people off of medicaid in America as possible. There
you go, You've just reduced the population by one hundred
million people. They are trying to reduce the population of
the earth. Oh, conspiracy theory, that's a good I mean
(45:36):
good ones, don't I can't back them up.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
But well they're all building these like bunkers underground. Yeah,
you know, trying to populate Mars. That's what Elon's doing.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
So he can go, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Can you take Trump and foodin with them?
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Yeah, so it's yours.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
So no, I was just it was not only a
conspiracy theory. Although I will get my tinfoil hat like,
you know, if you ever have me back on again,
I will I will fully wear my tinfoil hat. I
just don't. This is what's something I don't get, Like
what you were saying, how why don't the people band
together and support each other? Like in the press conferences,
(46:19):
someone asks a question, do not leave the room until
that question is answered. Every single reporter, every I mean,
you're not gonna get Fox News, You're not gonna get Oan,
but every single outlet asks the question until it's answered.
And the same with the Republicans. If they all got
(46:39):
together and were like, you know what, no, I'm I
don't agree with Trump on this or I don't think
this is good. If they stuck together, he would have
been gone. You know, back in twenty seventeen, he would
have been gone. Why is it just power? Is that
the only is that the only.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Together? Strong, divided, we fall? And that's what the fascist
does is you divide the population, You create as many
little factions as you possibly can, and then you make
them fight each other. Yeah, and this is where we are,
as I keep saying, we are where we are at
the plane closed mask men, disappearing people into unmarked vehicles
(47:22):
stage of fascism, also known as full blown fascism.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yeah, I mean that's terrifying with just read like, you
know blue wherever Blue, Massachusetts. They've been ice rays, you
know in the next town over. It's it's scary. They
I now look up and see helicopters and I'm like,
is that you know a news crew or is that
you know ice? It's it's terrifying.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, well everyone's terrified, and they want you terrified, and
they want us fighting. And I don't know. I will
read you a quote that I just happen to have
on my phone here that I wrote down the other
day that I think is so apropos as to what
is happening. And I hate to say it. It is
(48:09):
because we're always hesitant to make the Nazi comparison because
people don't like it. But it was none other than
Hitler's director of propaganda, Joseph Gerbels. And he said, and
I quote and this is he said this. After Germany
voted away democracy, they basically gave Hitler full rights, and
(48:33):
Joseph Gerbel said it will always remain one of democracy's
best jokes. That it provided its deadly enemies with the
means by which it was destroyed. And that is the
truth about democracy, is that democracy leaves the door open
for you to vote away democracy. And we've seen it
done time and time again. Democracies usually go down by
(48:57):
vote democracies, you know, it's rare that they go down slowly,
erode democracies until they're not democracies anymore.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
And yeah, it's like it's it's fine until it's not.
Everything's great until it's not, and it's terrifying.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yeah, I'm going to go with we're at the it's
not phase of uh.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah, of the string. I mean, I'm sometimes I get
you know, my husband and my daughter get afraid for
me because they'll see like a white van outside our
house and they'll be like, she's talking too much about
you know, conspiracy theories are Trump and he's come after her.
But it's scary to even You heard about the Oslo guy, right,
the Norwegian tourist how he got kicked out of the
(49:47):
country because he had a meme of JD Vans.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
No, No, I thought you were talking about something else.
Tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
So a tourist. I think he was like, as you know,
funny something kid came to the country and they stopped
him and they said show me your phone, which is
they do that now? And he had a meme of
jd Vance being like that's been going around kind of
(50:15):
looking at a cabbage patch kid and like a baby.
And they didn't like that, and they said they asked
him if he'd ever done drugs and he said, I've
done it twice in my life. I've you know, smoked
pot twice. They kicked him out of the country. They
sent him back to uh to the Oslo and they
(50:38):
just were talking about it on the floor of I
believe it was in Ireland, the Irish Parliament. They were
talking about it about how America has fallen so far
so fast that now, yeah, they're kicking people out of
the country for having the I know a.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
Comedian who doesn't want to talk about this, so I
won't mention names because they want to protect themselves and
everyone has that right, you know, if you want to,
if you prefer to take care of your career over
your country, I personally let them come at me. But
that said, they were coming back into the country and
it customs. The agents asked them what do you do
(51:17):
and they said, I'm a comedian and they said do
you do jokes about Trump? And they were like no,
And they're like Okay, you can come in. But I
mean it could have been just a curious agent, but
scary stuff. Nonetheless, start watching what we can joke about.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
I mean, that's it's terrifying. And I did you know
if there's a quote I think it was from Stalin
where he said they were going to I'm paraphrasing, but
they were going to take down America, but they own
they weren't going to do it with weapons. They were
going to do it from the inside, and like kind
of is happening.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, you know who else said that? Abraham Lincoln? He said,
no foreign army will ever take down the United States
of America. If we're going to die, it will be
by our own hand.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Well, you know, he is not as popular as Trump's.
Trump is more popular than Lincoln and Washington. If you
didn't know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
I'd like to say that Trump cancels out Lincoln. Sorry, Republicans,
Now you got nothing. That's all you had. You had Lincoln,
Trump cancels Lincoln. You got nothing. Did we leave anything
out with the uh mystery of the twenty twenty four
election before we wrap things up? Was there anything else
(52:43):
you wanted to get to? Uh?
Speaker 2 (52:45):
No, that's I mean, that's pretty much what I've read online.
I mean, like, let's go back to I have no
inside information. I you know, this is all things that
are going on online. And the unfortunate thing is they
said even if which I'm curious what you think you
even if they did find out that Elon hacked it,
and you know, everything is excellent and they stole it,
(53:06):
it wouldn't matter because they're already she's already conceded.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Well, it would matter. But what I'm worried about, and
the point people keep making is that even if it
were true, that no one's gonna do anything about it.
But it does matter. Oh yeah, he lost the election
and he was placed in the White House. Anyway, that
definitely matters. And I you know, who would agree with me,
every Republican who said that about Biden. It matters if
(53:32):
we got the wrong guy in there. And it does.
And I'm not saying that that's the case, but it
definitely matters. But we also live in a world where
people are like, who cares, dude, who cares? Even if
that's true, what are you gonna do about it? What
are you gonna do about it? I don't talk about it,
have Meghan Kelly Hall, come on my podcast and tell
me all about it. That's what I'm gonna do. And
I don't know what else, but I'll do something, and
(53:52):
it matters. And we can't sweep things under the rug.
If there's an anomaly or there's something strange, identify it
and then to me, why I'm wrong to think that
that's a red flag. But they sure look like red
flags to me. It was a weird election. It's a
weird election year.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
They don't want us to talk about it, that's the thing.
They don't want anyone to question them.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Yeah, you'd think they more than anyone would be like, Okay,
let's talk about whether or not it was stolen, because
last time we said it was stolen, and we did
nothing but talk about it for four years straight. So
now it's your turn. Let's air out your grievances. But no,
shut it down. And Democrats always trying to do the
right thing and be the bigger people, and unfortunately with Trump,
(54:38):
being the bigger people has messed us up in the past.
Trying to say, oh, we're going to rise above it,
you know, Hillary Clinton trying to rise above his childishness.
You know, she said I'll never forget this. And I
was not. I was full. Everyone knows that. Listen to
the show. I'm a Bernie bro and in twenty sixteen,
(54:58):
I was died in the wall. Bernie bro. So, Hillary
Clinton was not my first choice. But she said in
an interview after the election that debate she had with
him when he was hovering over her. You remember that
she said that she had to fight off this incredible temptation,
this desire to turn around and go back off creep.
(55:20):
And I thought to myself, why didn't you? That would
have been it right there. Every woman in America would
have gotten it that this five foot whatever, five six woman.
Donald Trump's what six two? I know I say that,
and people like he's a liar. He's like he's tall.
Wowever tall he is six foot two man hovering over
(55:41):
if she turned around and said back off creep, but
she wanted to be presidential, and presidential people don't say
stuff like back off creep. They just say stuff like
all the vile, terrible, horrible shit. Donald Trump says, now
again back to the bully thing. What's going on with
the kids. Yeah, don't you think of the children, Why
(56:06):
don't you think of the children. What are you doing
to the children? You're turning them into little creeps? Yeah,
hi Yi, Sure was great to see you again after
all these years.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yeah, thank you for so much for having me. This
was fun.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
Yeah, anytime, and come back and give us some updates
on what's going on in the world of anomalies in
the voting machine, the ghosts in the machine.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
Should I wear my shaman hat?
Speaker 1 (56:40):
No? That weirdo. Where can people find you on the
socials if they want to follow you, because you do
post about this often.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
I do, well. I'm on threads a lot. I used
to be on Twitter, but as when it turned to
x I kind of dropped that there are too many trolls.
And Blue Sky I'm on Blue Tito.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah, so that'd be at Megan, Kelly Hall and E
G A n K E L L y H A
y E y you met you last wow here all right?
Well with that, Megan, absolute pleasure. Thank you so much
for coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
Thank you for having me. This is fun.
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