July 13, 2025 • 50 mins
Epstein Epstein Epstein. (plus more news but seriously... Epstein) Guest co-host Josh Edelman joins. More at dogmadebate.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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to a Sunday edition of the weekly roundup. Because Travis
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is away this week. So I have another brother from
another mother. I'm a poet, but he's been on the
show before. He and I have toured together, and if
I'm being honest, I don't see any version of success
coming my way that doesn't involve mister Josh Edelman, because
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he's just about my favorite comedian on the on the scene.
I have several brothers from another mother, Travis, Josh, David Smalley,
but Josh is way up there on the list. Josh,
Welcome back, dogm Debate.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Thank you for having me. I always enjoyed doing it.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Of course. So let's start with it's gonna be all
conspiracy theories because it's Trump's America and that is the
cake de bait. Yeah, but let's.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Heart with that.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
There is no truth anymore. I mean, there was that
picture Trump posted on his Instagram of him as Superman,
and I commented, underneath it, you see it like he
put his face on the Superman poster. Yeah, And I
was like, lies injustices in the magaway.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, no kidding, just because you got me thinking of
when you talk about the American way, I did do
a uh what I thought was a funny little tweet
or whatever you call it on threads. What is it
called a thread? I threaded, I threaded, I threaded anymore?
There are exces? Yeah, what do you do on x
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U X anyway? So I said, I still want to
live the American or I want to live the American
dream and buy a little house in Canada, thinking the
joke is, hey, the new American dream is get the
heck out of America. But what I didn't know, but
I learned Canadians have decided get our name out of
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your mouth American. Like yeah, they're like, like I thought
it was a benign thing to say, but it turns
out Canadians are like, go to hell, don't talk about us,
don't mention us, don't make jokes that involve us. You're
not welcome here. You're an American. Screw you. America turns
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out Canadians kind of over us all around.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Well, you know, I think it's it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
It's like.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
You ever meet a Russian in America and like feel
just a slight sense of suspicion about them just because
they're Russian and everything going on with Putin and Russia,
and it's like, more likely than not, this person probably
hates Putin, wants nothing to do with them, is here
to try and get away from them and all of that.
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But like that's how we're viewed now. It's like it's
like we go somewhere else. It's like it's like we're
just a German during World War Two that got out
of Germany, but we're still we're still the German. Yeah,
we're still German in the eyes. There's this lack of trust,
there's this there's this aesthetic thought to us.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, it's it's actually interesting you're making me think of
you know, just historically speaking, anytime a country's been at war,
anybody from that country or affiliated with that country has
to go like these extra extra miles to make sure
that everybody knows I'm not with them. You know, there
were buttons that Southerners would wear if they were in
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the North during the Civil War, so people recognized that
they weren't sympathetic to the Confederate cause. I personally, on
the first possible day that planes were flying, after nine
to eleven, I had to go pick up my brother
at the airport. He was planning to come to La anyway.
And I went and you couldn't get anywhere near the airport.
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They took you to a parking lot and they bust
the people from the thing off. You couldn't get near
the airport right after nine to eleven. But there was
a family, probably Muslim, I'm not sure, but they were
Arab of some sort. I was almost embarrassed to be
an American at that point that they were so scared
that they all of them, including grandma, were decked out
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in American flag t shirts, hat buttons holding American flags,
like making sure you knew like and I was like, no,
I swear we're a more peaceful people than that. It's
not going to be that bad for you. Little that
I know. I was.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I'm almost most suspicious of people decked out. I mean
the most suspicious of the people trying to look like
they're fro the other thing.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I mean, you know, look, we we love FDR and
everyone points to FDRs as one of the greatest presidents,
and he certainly is. But he also did lock up
the Japanese and tournament camps during World War Two.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So it's you know, it's I think. I think the
attitude is get your house in order, your that's your house,
get it right correct, especially especially when our house is
so cruel to anyone not from.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And this is what I'm hearing from the Canadians. So
the point I was trying to make was simply that
I guess if we travel to Canada, now, what do
we have to wear, like fuck Trump buttons or MAGA
with a slash through it, or I'm not with them,
or like we have to present like or you're just
gonna get beat up if people find out you're an
American walking around Canada. I suspect I don't know the
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hate I received from Canadians, and many of them were like,
we don't hate you.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
The very politely beaten up just like sorry, sorry, sorry.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Sorry, sorry, gotta do it. Gotta break your nose, buddy.
It's but what the good news is, you can go
to the hospital here and you'll get some healthcare. But
gotta break your nose, your damn yank.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
They're calling me yank, which I didn't even know that
Canadians called Americans. But I think it's just full blown
anti American sentiments up there. None of them did say
we don't hate you, we hate Trump. We hate Trump supporters.
If you didn't vote, then uh, that's one thing. But yeah,
so a lot of a lot of a lot of
Canadians sent me.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Straight what Trump supporter is saying, I want to live
the American dream and get a house in Canada.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
No, I think their whole point was just you're an American.
You don't get to say our name, like, get our
name out of your mouth. America. So that said, we're
gonna do a number of conspiracy theories this week because
it's Trump's America and he ran on conspiracy theories. His
movement runs on conspiracy theories. So let's start with a
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semi minor one, which is a lot of people say
Donald Trump was not shot.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I one hundred He's he one hundred percent was not shot,
Like like, I'm sorry, there there's like like look just
look at his ear. Look at his ear next to
Evander Holyfield's ear. There, there's zero percent chance Trump was shot.
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The question really is whether or not the person who
shot at Trump was staged by by the Trump administration,
or whether or not there was a legitimate assassination attempt.
But the blood is not his?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Are you serious? I I that I have a little
bit of trouble with So Here's what I've heard said,
and I think it might be true. Is that And
it seems to me that this kid was disturbed. These
were you know, he was shooting. Obviously a man died
standing behind Trump. But what I heard was that the
teleprompter in front of Trump shattered and a piece of
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the glass off the telepompter cut his ear. That if
a bullet was close enough to your ear to cut it,
to physically damage it, that the pressure wave it would create,
and this has been verified by expert after expert after expert,
that would explode your ear drum. That dude would be
death as could be in that ear.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Well, that's that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
I mean, I guess maybe it was a shard of glass,
and I was saying, maybe it was the blood from
the guy who got shot. But he did not get
shot in the.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Ear, right, And so we're about to get into the
Epstein files, because how can you not. But somebody was
saying today, like on the anniversary of Trump getting shot,
that released the Butler County medical files, like, let's see those.
That's not such a big deal. If you were shot
in the ear, it'll say it in the medical files.
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But the conspiracy theories, and I hers I can tell
is that I don't know anyone that believes that this
kid was, you know, somehow working for Trump or part
of some coordinated effort to create what the illusion that
Trump is a deity and God is protecting him. I'm
not sure, but what I have heard is that it
just played perfectly under their narrative that he was that
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the bullet grazed his ear, because that creates the narrative
that God guided the bullet away from him or whatever,
and that a piece of glass from the teleprompter hit
his ear. Does it play into that narrative nearly as
much so that that would make sense to me. It
seems unlikely that a bullet grazed his ear because he'd
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be deaf.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
My theory not so much about this situation itself, but
about whether or not something happens to Trump in the
future is after the passage of the Big Beautiful Bill.
I really do believe, and with all the Epstein stuff,
which I'm sure is what we're getting into your next
at this that if somebody does finally blah Trump, then
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it'll be one of his.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Supporters, right. And just for the record, because you are
a creature of social media, you can say anything on
you want. On this show, I have a lot of
people that come on and say unalived or graped and
I'm like, no, no, no, no, don't don't need to
do that. It's all good. You can say anything you want.
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This is not TikTok.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I mean, I didn't really read much into this, but
apparently some German comedians now like looking at possible jail
time for a joke he made about the Trump assassination.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
No, I did not hear that.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I really really was like, I did not even read
the article. I just kind of saw the headline.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
This is in Germany. I would take it.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I don't even know that. I don't even know whether
it's there or not.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
But okay, I'm gonna look into that and give everyone
an update as soon as possible on the German comedian.
So that's it. So Trump, just to be clear, all
people want to talk about is Epstein. His base on
fire over Epstein. So the first thing I want to
show you is he went on Fox News. They did
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not mention Epstein, but we did get this gem.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
By the way, the only person that would interview him
was his daughter in law, Laura Trump Strange. The president
of the United States wants to go on Fox News.
None of the big hosts want to interview him because
they would not sacrifice their dignity by not asking about Epstein.
Only she would give him the softball interview he was
looking for and got this questionable question.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
This has been sort of a trait of yours your
entire life. If you go back to the Trump organization,
you gave people opportunities that maybe they would never have
taken themselves. And I feel like you've often seen things
in people that they don't even see in themselves, as
especially women.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
You did it for me. Yeah, I like the little
drool sound he makes after he's especially women.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, but I like that a She's like basically explaining
that he hires completely unqualified people. You see things in
people that they don't even see themselves. The director of
the FBI was just a podcaster. The jeputy director another podcaster.
But you saw in them something. And then, of course,
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because he's a creep, especially women, I look at the
women and I say, oh, yeah, there's something in her
I'd like to see.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
More of, Like I guess something I'm looking for.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
So that's how Donald Trump is was handled the storm.
Let's let's let's get the timeline right. Donald Trump former
friends with Jeffrey Epstein. I'm going to get into all
the evidence about Donald Trump's associations with Epstein in a.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Moment, but number of photographs.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Photo, you name it said, Jeffrey Epstein's a terrific guy,
and he likes women as much as I do. Some
of them are on the younger side. He knew what
a creep he was going into it, obviously, but there
was a lot of there was a lot of meat
on them. Epstein file bones for a guy running for
a re election that he was more than willing to exploit,
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and his base went all in on it because this
is not new. Pizzagate was the notion that there's a
coupal of elitist leftists that that are pedophiles keeping children
in the basement of a pizza place that didn't have
a basement. But this is this has been their thing
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for a long time, you know. And he he ran
on it, He allowed them to run on it. But
just to be clear, Jeffrey Epstein was elected when Donald
Trump was president. Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide or died in
his jail cell. And we'll get into that.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
In his jail cell. Died in his jail cell.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, well, Donald Trump was president, Okay. And because you
mentioned it earlier, I do have a relative in Camp
Maga who told me that the fact that Donald Trump
won't release the Epstein files just goes to show you
how powerful Bill and Hillary Clinton really are, even they
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have control over Donald Trump. These are the lies people
are willing to tell themselves.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
On my show last night, Sam Harder had a joke
about how he went to community college and he was
in remedial math and he was very nervous about like
whether or not I was going to be capable of
doing the remedial math. And on day one, they're like,
today we're going to talk about what numbers are and
he was like oh, and he's like, I'm like, everyone
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had a pretty easy time with the numbers. But on
day two we got into negative numbers and that's where
things got tricky for people. So I was like, there
can't be anything below zero. It's nothing, and he goes
and I just like to remind myself that all of
these people are of the age where they're allowed to vote.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, that's such a good point. And anyone interested. Sam
Harder h a r t Er fellow comedian here on
the scene with us. Very funny guy. Definitely worth checking
Sam out. So this is what Trump tweeted, and it's
a little long. I don't know if I'll make it
through the whole thing, but I mean he is definitely
saying don't look nothing to see here. I mean that
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movie don't look up. Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I'm not sure. I thought it was the greatest movie ever.
But it does seem like the premise is is proving
to be exactly what Because I mean, the presidential character
played by Meryl Streep was a Trump asque person. The
planet's going to be hit by a meteor, and their
their their solution to the problem is just don't look up.
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Don't look up, don't look at it. It's fine, which
is I mean, they were saying that's a metaphor for
us in climate change, but turns out it's just a
metaphor for Trump and anything. Just don't look I like
the movie, it was pretty good. That's it Donald Trump,
He truthed, whatever that means. What's going on with my boys?
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And sometimes and in some cases gals, they're all going
after Attorney General Pam Bondi, who's doing a fantastic job.
We're on one team mega, and I don't like what's happening.
We have a perfect administration. The talk of the world,
you know, the whole world's like, what an administration he's got,
which they might well be saying, what a fucking administration
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he's got. But I don't think he's I don't think
he's getting the tone quite right there. And selfish people
are trying to hurt it all over a tweet, Over
a tweet guy who never dies, Over a tweet guy
who never dies. Okay, Jeffrey Epstein for years, It's Epstein
over and over again. Why are we giving publicity to
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files written by Obama, Crooked Hillary, Cody Brennan, and the
losers and criminals of the Biden administration who conned the
world with the Russia Russia Russia hoax not a hoax,
fifty one intelligence agents, the Laptop from Hell, and more.
They created the Epstein files just like they created the
fake Hillary Clinton Christopher Steele dossier and they used on me,
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And now my so called friends are playing right into
their hands. Why didn't these radical left lunatics release the
Epstein files? Good question, I'm going to stop right there.
So they created fake files. By the way, the files
were created under his attorney general. They created fake files
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to use against Donald Trump and didn't use them. I
would go with that's actually a pretty good question, Donald Trump,
Why didn't they use or release the Epstein files if
there was anything in there that could have hurt the
Mega movement? Oh so, why did they create fake files
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and then not put anything in it that would hurt
the MAGA movement? He's asking halfway? Isn't questions? Why didn't
they use it? They haven't even given up on the
John F. Kennedy or Martin Luther King Junior files. I
don't know that that's true. Do you know any leftists
that are clamoring for more information on the JFK files?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
No, matter how much we secure the border to part
criminals fixing the economy. Okay, now he's just into whatever.
But he's basically saying, leave Pam Bondy alone. Forget the
Epstein files ever existed. They're fake files anyway, which is
very strange that if they're fake files, just release them.
If Donald Trump has proof that Obama, Biden and the
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Clintons cooked up these files, don't you think that would
be the first thing he'd want to put out there.
Look at these fake files they created, and I can
I can prove they're fake. This is an audio format, Josh,
I see you godding, but the audience cannot.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, you put that out.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Okay, So let's get into fake things. So we said
Jeffrey Epstein and you put it in quotes, died in his.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Cell, died in a cell quote unquote.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Okay, let's start with the first thing that everyone talks about,
the missing minute, right, you heard about that.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Missing minute, but also I think more interesting and more
more to the point, why are pointed out than that?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
And that's what I'm getting to.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
The video has been edited four times over. Yeah, and
as an editor, there's lots of things that could be
But like, also they're such fucking morons.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, yeah, if you just if you just wanted to
put out the raw footage, why was it edited four times?
They even know the name of the editing software that
was used, like these these forensic video sleuths that they
had it wired. I mean, it was a rather detailed report,
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like right down to they edit it using this Urney.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
General would be aware of forensic of forensic digital forensic.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Well that's because she was not qualified to be in
the job, but Donald Trump saw something in her, her loyalty.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
The best. Yeah, it's truly disgusting that, Like, I mean,
the the assumption here has to be the Trump's in
the files a lot doing bad things, and the level
of disgusting that people like Pam Bondy and Cash Battel
and Don Blanngino or however you say his name are
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probably privy to a lot of the things Trump is
in there for doing and are still protecting a fucking guy,
just the like, how do you sleep at night?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I mean, it's a good question, and I will point out, Uh,
you know who Alexander Acosta is. Mm hmm, so because
you are from Florida. So he was the attorney general
for the state of Florida, and he was the original
person to bring charges against Jeffrey Epstein, which were widely
considered softball. They in fact called sweetheart deal. Yes, slap
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on the wrist, a big nothing. The guy who's running
the biggest pedophile ring probably in history, certainly in modern history,
gets it slap on the wrist.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I'll go modern history.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
But back in the old days, he wasn't a crime. Yeah,
it's just back in the old days, the king would
be like, welcome to the castle. May I give you?
Is there a fourteen year old child I can offer
you for your stay? Everyone gets one. It's a party anyway.
I don't want to make jokes about that. That's terrible,
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but we're terrible. That said. So he gives the softball
deal to Jeffrey Epstein. Donald Trump gives him a job
in the first Trump administration. He gets a job out
of it from Trump, almost as a reward for doing
the right thing. That said, well, actually, before I get
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into another bombshell that I feel like we came across,
let's just go ahead and have Donald Trump on jis
Layne Maxwell. So jis Layne Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein's right hand person.
At least two Ofjeffrey Epstein's victims say that Giselene Maxwell,
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not just one of them, was working at mar Alago.
She was a seventeen year old runaway and Giselen Maxwell
pulled her out of mar A Lago where she met
her where she was working for Trump, and put her
to work as a victim of Jeffrey Epstein. Another fourteen
year old victim in Giselene Maxwell's trial, in her testimony
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at Maxwell's trial, says, when she was fourteen, she was
taken by Epstein and brought into this sex ring or whatever,
and she was brought to mar A Lago, where she
says she met Donald Trump. And I've asked this question
a million times. You're a fifty year old man, your
fellow fifty year old man friend shows up at a
party with a fourteen year old girl who's not his
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niece or a FOREID exchange student his family's hosting but
his date, and you didn't call the cops, you didn't
throw him out. She says they hung out all night.
Another victim says that when flying on the Epstein jet,
they flew into Atlantic City. They were supposed to land
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in New York, but weather made them land in Atlantic City,
to which Jeffrey Epstein said, Great, We'll just go hang
out with my friend Donald Trump. Now, she says Trump
was out of town and they didn't do it. But
who thinks it's okay to keep bringing fourteen year old
girls around this guy? Obviously Donald Trump didn't have a
problem with it. And this is what he had to
say about Gislene Maxwell. And then I'm going to hit
you with what I think is another bombshell that I
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just learned. So when asked about Giselene Maxwell, Donald Trump
said this, a Maxwell.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
Is in prison. And so a lot of people want
to know if she's going to turn in powerful people.
And I know you've talked in the past about Prince
Andrew and you've criticized Bill Clinton's behavior.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I'm wondering, do you feel.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
That she's going to turn in powerful men? How do
you see that working out?
Speaker 8 (24:50):
I don't know. I haven't really been following it too much.
I just wish her well. Frankly, I've met her numerous
times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm
Beach and I guess they lived in Pompage. But I
wish her well. Whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
What the f She is on trial for child sex
trafficking and he's wishing her well. So I ask you,
Josh Edelman, did you come across this story? Trump held
talks on pardon for Giselyn Maxwell. According to his biographer,
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President Donald Trump wait pardoning gi justly. This is from
a podcast, but I read about it and Yahoo News
if anyone's looking for President Donald Trump wait pardoning Gisely
Maxwell for fear that she would spill secrets about his
decades long friendship with convicted child sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
After Maxwell, now sixty three, was arrested by the FBI
in July twenty twenty for allegedly helping Epstein run a
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sex trafficking ring, luring and grooming young girls into a
web of abuse, Trump grew quote very wary and began
asking what could she say? What would she say about me?
Author Michael Wolfe said on The Daily Beast podcast he
was talking about pardoning her. I mean, one more piece
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of information and then I'm going to ask you what
you think Donald Trump's role is. Do you know who
John Doe won seventy four is in the Giselain Maxwell trial?
Maybe but not by name, Okay. In January twenty twenty four,
a federal judge unsealed nearly two hundred court documents from
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a lawsuit involving Virginia Guyufree. That is this seventeen year
old girl that was pulled out of mar A Lago
by Gislen Maxwell. She has since although she testified and
this is heartbreaking, she has since committed suicide. So two
under court documents from a lawsuit involving Virginia Guffrey and
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Giselen Maxwell, using coded pseudonyms like John Doe one seventy
four for individuals referenced in the filings, Business Insider Newsweek
have identified John twenty one seventy four as very very
likely Donald Trump, based on the judges docket references, the
frequency of Trump's name in related documents, and the absence
of other plausible matches. So there's another one that that
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would actually I was unaware about dough one seventy four
until I dug a little deeper thanks to Donald Trump
and Pam Bondy.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Is there is there any question that Trump is in
the Epstein documents as somebody who was molesting children, just
like there's is there any chance Trump's ear was hit
by a bullet. It's just it's it's it's we live.
You know, the hardest part of this administration. I mean,
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I don't even know if this is the heartstro one
of the hard parts of being in this administration is
just having to be trapped inside of this cult, surrounded
by people denying their own eyes and that and and
it's it's it's you know, his tweet in all caps
with thirty exclamation points stopped talking about Epstein. It's like,
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it's it's so insane, how on the surface it all is,
and how nothing is being done about it. I Mean,
the guy lost a court case where he was accused
of raping a woman already civil civil civil. Yeah, but
I said court case. I didn't say sure, I don't.
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I mean, my favorite part from the videos of that,
and I'm probably messing it up a little bit, but
they were like, do you recognize that with the woman
in this picture, and he's like, the Egene Carrol whole thing.
Do you recognize the one who like, I've never seen
her before in my life. Well, that's the picture of
your ex wife Ivanka.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, not quite Evana, but no, you got it almost right.
So he said A that he didn't know Egen Carol
and b that she wasn't his type. Yes, And then
when they showed him a picture of her, they said
who is that? He said, that's my wife, Havanna.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
No, there's another thing where where he didn't recognize Evanna.
I'm telling you, Okay, another thing like that. I mean,
but either way, either way, it's it's just like the
amount of Bob Face lying. This guy's been caught doing
the amount bad at it he is like, that's That's
what's crazy is people calling him this incredible liar and
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the only incredible about him is how much he lies.
But it's not like he's a good liar. It's just
the dumbest. The people who don't believe in negative numbers
are the ones having to decipher his lies.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Right, And I will just because we've already shouted out
one of our friends, I'll shout out another.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Drew Landry did you see his uh about stop talking
about Epstein? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
So good.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
It just said something this is how I feel halfway
through the open bike or something.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I posted the thing I was like, when when other comedian,
when people compliment other comedians in front of me?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, that said So, I mean that was my question
was is there any doubt in your mind that Donald
Trump is one hundred implicated? All right, So here's here's
what it was.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Never was any doubt in my mind. I mean, you know, like,
like I'll say, I also do assume Bill Clinton's in there.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Oh hell yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
And then and that's probably a large reason why it
didn't come out when they could have used it against Trump.
But uh, you know, we live in a sick fucking world.
But but but yeah, one hundred. But Donald Trump's probably
in there the most. That's probably the crazy thing, is.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Right, And that's why it didn't come out for sure.
But here, let's talk about the reasons that they're saying
it's not coming out. So the mainstream press so disappointed
in them always in Trump's America for one, Actually a
little side tangent. Donald Trump's special advisor to the President,
who was given unprecedented access to government files, who also
(31:10):
happened to have a private AI that he was developing, tweeted,
Donald Trump is in the Epstein client list. I'm, of
course talking about Elon Musk. Oh. Yeah, Why is the
New York Times, Washington Post? Why is not everyone banging
down his door saying what did you see? What do
you know? Why is he just being dismissed. I haven't
(31:34):
seen anybody go after Elon like dude, what do you got?
And how is this not damning?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I mean, I will say that, like with regards to
the Elon thing, I hate Elon so much as well.
It's it's it's it's on a it's on a par
with Donald Trump, and I would say that there is
like I don't I don't put it past Elon to
be saying that justice or trouble, regardless of the fact
(32:03):
that I do believe Trump is in there. I mean,
I think just seeing the same things we're all seeing
and saying what he's saying and causing trouble. But but
do I do I think Elon seeing something? Maybe maybe
my point is simply all of our he did steal
all of our information.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Put yourself in Let's just go back to Biden. Joe
Biden's the President of the United States. His special advisor
comes out tweets, Joe Biden is in the Epstein client list. Yes,
do you think the mainstream press just ignores that person?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Or he's on every talk show, every reporter wants an
exclusive interview. What do you know?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Definitely not. But Joe Biden's also not hiring bald faced liars,
as is his topic. This is the this is the
catch twenty two of them. It's like they hire liars
and then when the person says something that's probably true
about them that they don't like, they just call them
a liar. It's Trump one oh one, It's it's the
(33:08):
insanity of it. All is is like like when is
when his old lawyer what was the lawyer's name that
like was always trying to like take.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Him down, Well, oh, Michael Cohen.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Michael Cohen, Yeah, just like he worked for Trump forever.
And then when he starts saying like these are the
things the horrible things I did for Trump from its
like he's a liar, he's a well you hired him.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, and they just the cult just rolls along with it. Okay,
So I did a lot of listening to the morning
talk shows this morning, and the mainstream press is running
with this, and it's galling. It's upsetting to me. They're
running with there never was a client list. He lied
to them, he baited them with it, He led them
along because you know what it equaled votes. He knew,
(33:54):
he stirred up the base, and now you know, they're
the dog that caught the car. I'm like, really, there's
all these victims that we know about, all these girls,
all these people that flew on the plane, and there's
no list connecting them. Maybe not in Jeffrey Epstein's handwriting,
here are the people, but that is what the mainstream
(34:16):
press is going with is he lied to them about
the list, and now he's paying the price.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Ebe just killed himself for killed himself over a list
that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
And just laid Maxwell's in jail for crimes that didn't happen. Oh.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
I mean, the mainstream media is a mess. They've been
paying out, they've been paying out lawsuits to Trump, which
then instead of fighting them so they can make it
it's just the rich. It's it's you know, it's the
George Carlin. It's a big club and we're not a member.
I mean, it's it's it's disgusting. It's disgusting the way
(34:54):
they've handled Trump from the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
And uh, absolutely now I'm gonna throw at you. Okay,
So the mainstream media, I'm disgusted. Is it Is it
just that they're walking the line because they can't come
out and say there is a list and Trump's on
it because he's gonna sue them or whatever. So, but
it's just the idea that they're saying there probably never
was a list and Trump baited the cult with this
(35:21):
idea of a list. It's just it seems like malpractice
to me. It seems like bad journalism. Like at least,
uh entertain the idea that there is a list and
Trump's on it.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
You don't know that there's not a list. You're just
taking Pam Bondi's word for it.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah, as if she's a reputable person.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I mean, my big concern is just what, like, the
more this becomes a focus on Trump thing, and it
does continue to become all eyes on Trump, the more
I worry about what Trump's going to do next to
try and take the eyes off of him.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah, but we can't operate that way, right, I mean,
we can't.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
You know, continue to try and take this piece of
shit down.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I mean, it is chipping away at the base. I'm
sure you've seen the footage of Trump supporters burning their
Maga hats.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Some people have even burning their Maga hat and giving
it the finger where it's just like, dude, you're just
you were dumb to support him. You're dumb, Like it's
a hat. It doesn't see you giving it the finger.
It's it doesn't know it's being burned. But I get it.
It's symbolic. But okay, So here's what the cult is
saying now, including Alex Jones. This is what they're saying
(36:41):
is that yes, the list is real, Yes it has
powerful people on it. They're all in the deep State.
And the reason it can't be released is because Donald
Trump is using it to get the deep State to surrender,
winning once and for all the battle against the deep
State and the swamp. And so we just you're gonna
(37:04):
have to take a mulligan on this one and let
him do it, because Trump is using the list to
destroy the deep State, and if he releases it, he
loses all his leverage is it he wonderful?
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I mean yeah, yeah, just us just so studid. It's
like it's like the keyword you ever read the game?
You ever read that book the game about like picking
up girls like that, like the early two thousands. It's crazy.
Like there's two books that I watched Trump, like do
the things from and it's The Game and the forty
(37:39):
eight Laws of Power and and and he's like an
idiot savant at them both. But like in the game,
you know, it's like they say, it's like this is
the book of how to pick up girls, but if
you read the book, it's like this is how to
trick dumb girls into having sex with you.
Speaker 9 (37:55):
And like that's like and that's like what the Trump
thing is. It's like the programming of the word, like
the key words that you repeat over and over again,
like the use of his hands like.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Gesture a things. It's so obnoxious, how stupid and transparent
it is, and how many people in this country it fools,
ms swamp, the deep state, the using it like this.
I pick this image of him as his hero. It's
just so nuts and infuriating and devastating.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Okay, I'm gonna hit you with a few headlines from
the week that I think most people missed because everyone
was obsessed with the Oletian list. So first one I
have here is that, uh, do you know who Ed
Miller is?
Speaker 1 (38:51):
By chance?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Now, so Ed Miller was up for a nomination in
Trump's cabinet. I can't remember the position. And it turned
out he had praised a neo Nazi, not just praised him,
but given him an award at Trump's golf course, the
(39:14):
Bedminster Golf Course, had called him like a great guy.
And then it turned out that this guy had all
these social media tweets praising Adolf Hitler and even saying
Hitler's biggest mistake was he didn't finish the job to
which Trump had was forced by Republicans to remove this
guy's nomination for whatever cabinet position. And what did he do.
(39:36):
He gave him another job that didn't require Senate approval,
which was he put him in charge of the Office
of Weaponizing Government to look into into the Democrats in
Biden weaponizing government.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I've tried to tell so many Jews that are, you know,
vehemently Trump because they're pro Israel, though, like Trump's only
going to make things worse for us down the line,
like like like like, not only does he make not
only does he influence the left to dislike Jews more
(40:13):
his base and his people do not like Jews. They're
they're they're they're supportive. Israel has nothing to do with
liking Jews. They're they're they're like like, Pete hagg Sett
has a fucking Nazi tattoo, and that guy's in charge
of our military. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Trump said, shy Li, I will give you, I will
I will give Pete hag Zett a little bit. It's
like a it's like a Christian nationalist tattoo. You could
say it's Nazi, but it's it's it's questionable, it's on
the line, and Christian nationalism is not Nazi. I'll tell
you this that most people don't know this. Do you
know who John Vorister is?
Speaker 8 (40:55):
No?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
So John Vorister, I'm gonna look for the quote because
I have it right here.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
He became the Prime Minister of South Africa the whole
time Elon Musk was a young man. This is the
influence he had. John Vorister in the thirties wanted to
the South Africans who are fighting because they were a
British colony with the British wanted them to leave the
war as allies of the British and re enter the
war as allies of the Nazis. He was a Nazi
(41:25):
and he is actually the one who coined the phrase
Christian nationalists. And if I may, I'm going to read
you that exact quote. We stand for Christian nationalism, which
is an ally of national socialism. You can call this
anti democratic principle dictatorship if you wish. In Italy it's
called fascism. In Germany German national socialism, and in South
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Africa Christian nationalism. So I mean you're right about Pete Hexith.
I mean, a Christian nationalist tattoo is not that far
off from a Nazi tattoo anyway. So this guy, Ed
Miller supports a Nazi. And this week it came out
(42:08):
that a former FBI agent who was charged with joining
a mob's attack on the US Capitol has been given
a job working in the Weaponization working group with Ed
Miller examining if Biden needs to be arrested for weaponizing
the Justice Department. So it's run by a Nazi sympathizer
(42:34):
and a j six rioter is now his deputy.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
It's it's this the the projection of the Trump administration
is one of the most incredible aspects of it. To me.
It's we need to weaponize the Justice Department against our
enemies and charge them with weapons. Nizing the Justice Department.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
It's it's nineteen eighty four, It's Orwellian.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
It's so much stupider than he could have guessed.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
But because you mentioned Pete Hexith, I will say that
this one struck me as odd. I actually saw this
tweet from Trump and was like, what the hell because
and I'll ask you if you see the problem with it.
But Trump tweeted this week Secretary of War Pete Hegsith
was great on Fox News this morning talking about modern
(43:31):
weapons and warfare. Thank you all so much. Also to
Brett Velakovich, who really knows his stuff. We are really
on our way, MAGA. So I saw that tweet, I
was like, what, it's not called the Secretary of War war? Yeah,
Secretary of Defense, Secretary of war. It was called Secretary
(43:55):
of War up until I think the nineteen fifties. But
so I thought that was odd. So I said, what
is that all about? And I looked into it, and
it's a little odder than I thought. Trump calls Hexas
Secretary of War while praising him on a great Fox
News appearance that never happened. Pete Hexath wasn't on Fox
(44:19):
News or any network that morning.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
The Emperor has no clothes, but sodas half the.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Country, I would concur. And the final story of the
week is that that through okay, so financial disclosures and
watchdogs report that Stephen Miller, through one of his children's
(44:48):
brokerage accounts, holds two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in
stock and Pallanteer, which is the company he has hired
to oversee the mass deportations. I mean that used to
be called a conflict of interest. And by hiding it
in a child's stockbroker whatever, how do we know.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Though that the child didn't invest his own money and
palund here.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
These kids they get a little money nowadays, these kids
Grandma gives them two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for
their birthday. They are going to run to Robin Hood
and put it all into Peter Thiel's company, which could
be the most big brother watching us all thing. I mean,
(45:40):
just it's the fish is not just rotting from the
head down. It is fascist from the head down. It
is opportunists from the head down. It is corrupt from
the head down. It is racist from the head down.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
I think it more. I think it more than anything,
uses racism to protect its classes. But yes, it's racist, right,
But at that point, what's the way you cut it?
It's racist?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, it seems to me that, Yeah, it doesn't matter.
If you're using racism to appeal to racist and you
yourself are not racist, that's pretty fucking racist.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Well, it's just it's just these these billionaires don't not
know how we feel about them, but because of that,
they view us as the enemy, which is what makes
them even more the enemy.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah, I mean, in a in a in essence, they
are smart enough to read their history books and they go,
we are we are nearing the pitchforks and torches and
heads on pike stage of greedy, runaway capitalism. But maybe,
(46:50):
just maybe we're the smartest oligarchs ever and we can
head it off. The problem with the other people that
ended up with their heads on was they didn't try
and headed off. We can control these dumb masses that
we've treated this way.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Did you see the interview with Peter Thiel where they
asked him whether or not the human race should survive?
I mean, it's scary stuff.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, but why don't you just fill us in? I
don't have that clip ready to roll, but he said,
basically he hedged.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
They were like should you He was like, oh, should
should humanity survive? I really can't say. I can't say.
I don't know whether or not humanity should do. It's
such a tough question you've asked me, such a difficult one, man,
humanity survives? Humanity? Every one I'm talking to on this
(47:44):
podcast guys hard to weigh what the correct answer. I
don't like I didn't even hear him get to the answer.
I just watched him like not answer the question for.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Like hem and haw. Now that I think of it,
I've just had this thought and how apropos for this
episode that will end on this because it is conspiratorial.
But I've always been like, oh, they know climate change
is real, that the population of the Earth is going
(48:15):
to decrease greatly, and that's why they're buying these fortresses
and all these things that these billionaires are doing. But
now I'm like, maybe they're looking forward to it. They're like, dude,
we are going to have this planet to ourselves. Not
only that, they're not trying to stop it, they're trying
to accelerate it because they know there's going to be
(48:35):
five thousand of us left on the planet. We're going
to each have continents to ourselves.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
I've thought about that. I think there's two ends of
republicanism that I see. There's the wealthy and the poor end.
And the wealthy end is with AI and robotics and everything,
we don't need these other people anymore, and we can
have the world all to ourselves. And then there's the
poor end have been doomsday prepping their entire lives and
(49:03):
they're like, I'm the poorest motherfucker on Earth right now,
but as soon as the world ends, I'm king. And
I think those are the two. Those are the two
people bracing with excitement for the apocalypse and helping steer
it along. And if I about the rapturists, you know
(49:26):
that that I'm like to me, I'm like, if you're
speeding up the rapture, you know you're not going to
heaven because you don't go to heaven for committing suicide.
And you're trying to commit suicide by rapture.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah, and if you're trying to speed up the rapture,
one could make the argument that you're also committing mass
genocide against everyone else. Yeah, so you're no heaven for
you kids, but there, but.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Again, they don't believe in negative numbers.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Right, and unfortunately for me, I don't believe in heaven.
And you're just killing the world for a fantasy book.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
But look up or at the Epstein list.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
And with that, Josh, where can people find you?
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Oh, Josh Edelman Comedy on Instagram, The Edelmeister on everywhere
else including Venmo. Then watch my documentary Mental Lyal on
Amazon Prime Michael and my special will come out at
some point in the future October. October.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Congratulations, And Josh and I signed to the same company
and shot our specials actually the same night together. We're
comedy special buddies. And yeah, I talked to our producer,
super producer Jack Vaughan, and he said October to me, great, congrats,
so look for it until then. Until next time, Josh Edlman,
(50:55):
thank you for joining us.
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(00:36):
is away this week. So I have another brother from
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I have several brothers from another mother, Travis, Josh, David Smalley,
but Josh is way up there on the list. Josh,
Welcome back, dogm Debate.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Thank you for having me. I always enjoyed doing it.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Of course. So let's start with it's gonna be all
conspiracy theories because it's Trump's America and that is the
cake de bait. Yeah, but let's.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Heart with that.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
There is no truth anymore. I mean, there was that
picture Trump posted on his Instagram of him as Superman,
and I commented, underneath it, you see it like he
put his face on the Superman poster. Yeah, And I
was like, lies injustices in the magaway.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, no kidding, just because you got me thinking of
when you talk about the American way, I did do
a uh what I thought was a funny little tweet
or whatever you call it on threads. What is it
called a thread? I threaded, I threaded, I threaded anymore?
There are exces? Yeah, what do you do on x
(02:03):
U X anyway? So I said, I still want to
live the American or I want to live the American
dream and buy a little house in Canada, thinking the
joke is, hey, the new American dream is get the
heck out of America. But what I didn't know, but
I learned Canadians have decided get our name out of
(02:28):
your mouth American. Like yeah, they're like, like I thought
it was a benign thing to say, but it turns
out Canadians are like, go to hell, don't talk about us,
don't mention us, don't make jokes that involve us. You're
not welcome here. You're an American. Screw you. America turns
(02:49):
out Canadians kind of over us all around.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Well, you know, I think it's it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
It's like.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
You ever meet a Russian in America and like feel
just a slight sense of suspicion about them just because
they're Russian and everything going on with Putin and Russia,
and it's like, more likely than not, this person probably
hates Putin, wants nothing to do with them, is here
to try and get away from them and all of that.
(03:22):
But like that's how we're viewed now. It's like it's
like we go somewhere else. It's like it's like we're
just a German during World War Two that got out
of Germany, but we're still we're still the German. Yeah,
we're still German in the eyes. There's this lack of trust,
there's this there's this aesthetic thought to us.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, it's it's actually interesting you're making me think of
you know, just historically speaking, anytime a country's been at war,
anybody from that country or affiliated with that country has
to go like these extra extra miles to make sure
that everybody knows I'm not with them. You know, there
were buttons that Southerners would wear if they were in
(04:04):
the North during the Civil War, so people recognized that
they weren't sympathetic to the Confederate cause. I personally, on
the first possible day that planes were flying, after nine
to eleven, I had to go pick up my brother
at the airport. He was planning to come to La anyway.
And I went and you couldn't get anywhere near the airport.
(04:25):
They took you to a parking lot and they bust
the people from the thing off. You couldn't get near
the airport right after nine to eleven. But there was
a family, probably Muslim, I'm not sure, but they were
Arab of some sort. I was almost embarrassed to be
an American at that point that they were so scared
that they all of them, including grandma, were decked out
(04:45):
in American flag t shirts, hat buttons holding American flags,
like making sure you knew like and I was like, no,
I swear we're a more peaceful people than that. It's
not going to be that bad for you. Little that
I know. I was.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I'm almost most suspicious of people decked out. I mean
the most suspicious of the people trying to look like
they're fro the other thing.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I mean, you know, look, we we love FDR and
everyone points to FDRs as one of the greatest presidents,
and he certainly is. But he also did lock up
the Japanese and tournament camps during World War Two.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So it's you know, it's I think. I think the
attitude is get your house in order, your that's your house,
get it right correct, especially especially when our house is
so cruel to anyone not from.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And this is what I'm hearing from the Canadians. So
the point I was trying to make was simply that
I guess if we travel to Canada, now, what do
we have to wear, like fuck Trump buttons or MAGA
with a slash through it, or I'm not with them,
or like we have to present like or you're just
gonna get beat up if people find out you're an
American walking around Canada. I suspect I don't know the
(06:02):
hate I received from Canadians, and many of them were like,
we don't hate you.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
The very politely beaten up just like sorry, sorry, sorry.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Sorry, sorry, gotta do it. Gotta break your nose, buddy.
It's but what the good news is, you can go
to the hospital here and you'll get some healthcare. But
gotta break your nose, your damn yank.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
They're calling me yank, which I didn't even know that
Canadians called Americans. But I think it's just full blown
anti American sentiments up there. None of them did say
we don't hate you, we hate Trump. We hate Trump supporters.
If you didn't vote, then uh, that's one thing. But yeah,
so a lot of a lot of a lot of
Canadians sent me.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Straight what Trump supporter is saying, I want to live
the American dream and get a house in Canada.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
No, I think their whole point was just you're an American.
You don't get to say our name, like, get our
name out of your mouth. America. So that said, we're
gonna do a number of conspiracy theories this week because
it's Trump's America and he ran on conspiracy theories. His
movement runs on conspiracy theories. So let's start with a
(07:11):
semi minor one, which is a lot of people say
Donald Trump was not shot.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I one hundred He's he one hundred percent was not shot,
Like like, I'm sorry, there there's like like look just
look at his ear. Look at his ear next to
Evander Holyfield's ear. There, there's zero percent chance Trump was shot.
(07:43):
The question really is whether or not the person who
shot at Trump was staged by by the Trump administration,
or whether or not there was a legitimate assassination attempt.
But the blood is not his?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Are you serious? I I that I have a little
bit of trouble with So Here's what I've heard said,
and I think it might be true. Is that And
it seems to me that this kid was disturbed. These
were you know, he was shooting. Obviously a man died
standing behind Trump. But what I heard was that the
teleprompter in front of Trump shattered and a piece of
(08:25):
the glass off the telepompter cut his ear. That if
a bullet was close enough to your ear to cut it,
to physically damage it, that the pressure wave it would create,
and this has been verified by expert after expert after expert,
that would explode your ear drum. That dude would be
death as could be in that ear.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Well, that's that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
I mean, I guess maybe it was a shard of glass,
and I was saying, maybe it was the blood from
the guy who got shot. But he did not get
shot in the.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Ear, right, And so we're about to get into the
Epstein files, because how can you not. But somebody was
saying today, like on the anniversary of Trump getting shot,
that released the Butler County medical files, like, let's see those.
That's not such a big deal. If you were shot
in the ear, it'll say it in the medical files.
(09:17):
But the conspiracy theories, and I hers I can tell
is that I don't know anyone that believes that this
kid was, you know, somehow working for Trump or part
of some coordinated effort to create what the illusion that
Trump is a deity and God is protecting him. I'm
not sure, but what I have heard is that it
just played perfectly under their narrative that he was that
(09:39):
the bullet grazed his ear, because that creates the narrative
that God guided the bullet away from him or whatever,
and that a piece of glass from the teleprompter hit
his ear. Does it play into that narrative nearly as
much so that that would make sense to me. It
seems unlikely that a bullet grazed his ear because he'd
(09:59):
be deaf.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
My theory not so much about this situation itself, but
about whether or not something happens to Trump in the
future is after the passage of the Big Beautiful Bill.
I really do believe, and with all the Epstein stuff,
which I'm sure is what we're getting into your next
at this that if somebody does finally blah Trump, then
(10:26):
it'll be one of his.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Supporters, right. And just for the record, because you are
a creature of social media, you can say anything on
you want. On this show, I have a lot of
people that come on and say unalived or graped and
I'm like, no, no, no, no, don't don't need to
do that. It's all good. You can say anything you want.
(10:47):
This is not TikTok.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I mean, I didn't really read much into this, but
apparently some German comedians now like looking at possible jail
time for a joke he made about the Trump assassination.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
No, I did not hear that.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I really really was like, I did not even read
the article. I just kind of saw the headline.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
This is in Germany. I would take it.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I don't even know that. I don't even know whether
it's there or not.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
But okay, I'm gonna look into that and give everyone
an update as soon as possible on the German comedian.
So that's it. So Trump, just to be clear, all
people want to talk about is Epstein. His base on
fire over Epstein. So the first thing I want to
show you is he went on Fox News. They did
(11:35):
not mention Epstein, but we did get this gem.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
By the way, the only person that would interview him
was his daughter in law, Laura Trump Strange. The president
of the United States wants to go on Fox News.
None of the big hosts want to interview him because
they would not sacrifice their dignity by not asking about Epstein.
Only she would give him the softball interview he was
looking for and got this questionable question.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
This has been sort of a trait of yours your
entire life. If you go back to the Trump organization,
you gave people opportunities that maybe they would never have
taken themselves. And I feel like you've often seen things
in people that they don't even see in themselves, as
especially women.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
You did it for me. Yeah, I like the little
drool sound he makes after he's especially women.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, but I like that a She's like basically explaining
that he hires completely unqualified people. You see things in
people that they don't even see themselves. The director of
the FBI was just a podcaster. The jeputy director another podcaster.
But you saw in them something. And then, of course,
(12:47):
because he's a creep, especially women, I look at the
women and I say, oh, yeah, there's something in her
I'd like to see.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
More of, Like I guess something I'm looking for.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
So that's how Donald Trump is was handled the storm.
Let's let's let's get the timeline right. Donald Trump former
friends with Jeffrey Epstein. I'm going to get into all
the evidence about Donald Trump's associations with Epstein in a.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Moment, but number of photographs.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Photo, you name it said, Jeffrey Epstein's a terrific guy,
and he likes women as much as I do. Some
of them are on the younger side. He knew what
a creep he was going into it, obviously, but there
was a lot of there was a lot of meat
on them. Epstein file bones for a guy running for
a re election that he was more than willing to exploit,
(13:35):
and his base went all in on it because this
is not new. Pizzagate was the notion that there's a
coupal of elitist leftists that that are pedophiles keeping children
in the basement of a pizza place that didn't have
a basement. But this is this has been their thing
(13:56):
for a long time, you know. And he he ran
on it, He allowed them to run on it. But
just to be clear, Jeffrey Epstein was elected when Donald
Trump was president. Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide or died in
his jail cell. And we'll get into that.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
In his jail cell. Died in his jail cell.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, well, Donald Trump was president, Okay. And because you
mentioned it earlier, I do have a relative in Camp
Maga who told me that the fact that Donald Trump
won't release the Epstein files just goes to show you
how powerful Bill and Hillary Clinton really are, even they
(14:39):
have control over Donald Trump. These are the lies people
are willing to tell themselves.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
On my show last night, Sam Harder had a joke
about how he went to community college and he was
in remedial math and he was very nervous about like
whether or not I was going to be capable of
doing the remedial math. And on day one, they're like,
today we're going to talk about what numbers are and
he was like oh, and he's like, I'm like, everyone
(15:07):
had a pretty easy time with the numbers. But on
day two we got into negative numbers and that's where
things got tricky for people. So I was like, there
can't be anything below zero. It's nothing, and he goes
and I just like to remind myself that all of
these people are of the age where they're allowed to vote.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, that's such a good point. And anyone interested. Sam
Harder h a r t Er fellow comedian here on
the scene with us. Very funny guy. Definitely worth checking
Sam out. So this is what Trump tweeted, and it's
a little long. I don't know if I'll make it
through the whole thing, but I mean he is definitely
saying don't look nothing to see here. I mean that
(15:49):
movie don't look up. Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I'm not sure. I thought it was the greatest movie ever.
But it does seem like the premise is is proving
to be exactly what Because I mean, the presidential character
played by Meryl Streep was a Trump asque person. The
planet's going to be hit by a meteor, and their
their their solution to the problem is just don't look up.
(16:15):
Don't look up, don't look at it. It's fine, which
is I mean, they were saying that's a metaphor for
us in climate change, but turns out it's just a
metaphor for Trump and anything. Just don't look I like
the movie, it was pretty good. That's it Donald Trump,
He truthed, whatever that means. What's going on with my boys?
(16:37):
And sometimes and in some cases gals, they're all going
after Attorney General Pam Bondi, who's doing a fantastic job.
We're on one team mega, and I don't like what's happening.
We have a perfect administration. The talk of the world,
you know, the whole world's like, what an administration he's got,
which they might well be saying, what a fucking administration
(16:58):
he's got. But I don't think he's I don't think
he's getting the tone quite right there. And selfish people
are trying to hurt it all over a tweet, Over
a tweet guy who never dies, Over a tweet guy
who never dies. Okay, Jeffrey Epstein for years, It's Epstein
over and over again. Why are we giving publicity to
(17:19):
files written by Obama, Crooked Hillary, Cody Brennan, and the
losers and criminals of the Biden administration who conned the
world with the Russia Russia Russia hoax not a hoax,
fifty one intelligence agents, the Laptop from Hell, and more.
They created the Epstein files just like they created the
fake Hillary Clinton Christopher Steele dossier and they used on me,
(17:43):
And now my so called friends are playing right into
their hands. Why didn't these radical left lunatics release the
Epstein files? Good question, I'm going to stop right there.
So they created fake files. By the way, the files
were created under his attorney general. They created fake files
(18:05):
to use against Donald Trump and didn't use them. I
would go with that's actually a pretty good question, Donald Trump,
Why didn't they use or release the Epstein files if
there was anything in there that could have hurt the
Mega movement? Oh so, why did they create fake files
(18:26):
and then not put anything in it that would hurt
the MAGA movement? He's asking halfway? Isn't questions? Why didn't
they use it? They haven't even given up on the
John F. Kennedy or Martin Luther King Junior files. I
don't know that that's true. Do you know any leftists
that are clamoring for more information on the JFK files?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
No, matter how much we secure the border to part
criminals fixing the economy. Okay, now he's just into whatever.
But he's basically saying, leave Pam Bondy alone. Forget the
Epstein files ever existed. They're fake files anyway, which is
very strange that if they're fake files, just release them.
If Donald Trump has proof that Obama, Biden and the
(19:12):
Clintons cooked up these files, don't you think that would
be the first thing he'd want to put out there.
Look at these fake files they created, and I can
I can prove they're fake. This is an audio format, Josh,
I see you godding, but the audience cannot.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, you put that out.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Okay, So let's get into fake things. So we said
Jeffrey Epstein and you put it in quotes, died in his.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Cell, died in a cell quote unquote.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Okay, let's start with the first thing that everyone talks about,
the missing minute, right, you heard about that.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Missing minute, but also I think more interesting and more
more to the point, why are pointed out than that?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
And that's what I'm getting to.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
The video has been edited four times over. Yeah, and
as an editor, there's lots of things that could be
But like, also they're such fucking morons.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, yeah, if you just if you just wanted to
put out the raw footage, why was it edited four times?
They even know the name of the editing software that
was used, like these these forensic video sleuths that they
had it wired. I mean, it was a rather detailed report,
(20:32):
like right down to they edit it using this Urney.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
General would be aware of forensic of forensic digital forensic.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Well that's because she was not qualified to be in
the job, but Donald Trump saw something in her, her loyalty.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
The best. Yeah, it's truly disgusting that, Like, I mean,
the the assumption here has to be the Trump's in
the files a lot doing bad things, and the level
of disgusting that people like Pam Bondy and Cash Battel
and Don Blanngino or however you say his name are
(21:09):
probably privy to a lot of the things Trump is
in there for doing and are still protecting a fucking guy,
just the like, how do you sleep at night?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I mean, it's a good question, and I will point out, Uh,
you know who Alexander Acosta is. Mm hmm, so because
you are from Florida. So he was the attorney general
for the state of Florida, and he was the original
person to bring charges against Jeffrey Epstein, which were widely
considered softball. They in fact called sweetheart deal. Yes, slap
(21:42):
on the wrist, a big nothing. The guy who's running
the biggest pedophile ring probably in history, certainly in modern history,
gets it slap on the wrist.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I'll go modern history.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
But back in the old days, he wasn't a crime. Yeah,
it's just back in the old days, the king would
be like, welcome to the castle. May I give you?
Is there a fourteen year old child I can offer
you for your stay? Everyone gets one. It's a party anyway.
I don't want to make jokes about that. That's terrible,
(22:19):
but we're terrible. That said. So he gives the softball
deal to Jeffrey Epstein. Donald Trump gives him a job
in the first Trump administration. He gets a job out
of it from Trump, almost as a reward for doing
the right thing. That said, well, actually, before I get
(22:42):
into another bombshell that I feel like we came across,
let's just go ahead and have Donald Trump on jis
Layne Maxwell. So jis Layne Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein's right hand person.
At least two Ofjeffrey Epstein's victims say that Giselene Maxwell,
(23:03):
not just one of them, was working at mar Alago.
She was a seventeen year old runaway and Giselen Maxwell
pulled her out of mar A Lago where she met
her where she was working for Trump, and put her
to work as a victim of Jeffrey Epstein. Another fourteen
year old victim in Giselene Maxwell's trial, in her testimony
(23:25):
at Maxwell's trial, says, when she was fourteen, she was
taken by Epstein and brought into this sex ring or whatever,
and she was brought to mar A Lago, where she
says she met Donald Trump. And I've asked this question
a million times. You're a fifty year old man, your
fellow fifty year old man friend shows up at a
party with a fourteen year old girl who's not his
(23:47):
niece or a FOREID exchange student his family's hosting but
his date, and you didn't call the cops, you didn't
throw him out. She says they hung out all night.
Another victim says that when flying on the Epstein jet,
they flew into Atlantic City. They were supposed to land
(24:07):
in New York, but weather made them land in Atlantic City,
to which Jeffrey Epstein said, Great, We'll just go hang
out with my friend Donald Trump. Now, she says Trump
was out of town and they didn't do it. But
who thinks it's okay to keep bringing fourteen year old
girls around this guy? Obviously Donald Trump didn't have a
problem with it. And this is what he had to
say about Gislene Maxwell. And then I'm going to hit
you with what I think is another bombshell that I
(24:29):
just learned. So when asked about Giselene Maxwell, Donald Trump
said this, a Maxwell.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
Is in prison. And so a lot of people want
to know if she's going to turn in powerful people.
And I know you've talked in the past about Prince
Andrew and you've criticized Bill Clinton's behavior.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I'm wondering, do you feel.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
That she's going to turn in powerful men? How do
you see that working out?
Speaker 8 (24:50):
I don't know. I haven't really been following it too much.
I just wish her well. Frankly, I've met her numerous
times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm
Beach and I guess they lived in Pompage. But I
wish her well. Whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
What the f She is on trial for child sex
trafficking and he's wishing her well. So I ask you,
Josh Edelman, did you come across this story? Trump held
talks on pardon for Giselyn Maxwell. According to his biographer,
(25:24):
President Donald Trump wait pardoning gi justly. This is from
a podcast, but I read about it and Yahoo News
if anyone's looking for President Donald Trump wait pardoning Gisely
Maxwell for fear that she would spill secrets about his
decades long friendship with convicted child sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
After Maxwell, now sixty three, was arrested by the FBI
in July twenty twenty for allegedly helping Epstein run a
(25:47):
sex trafficking ring, luring and grooming young girls into a
web of abuse, Trump grew quote very wary and began
asking what could she say? What would she say about me?
Author Michael Wolfe said on The Daily Beast podcast he
was talking about pardoning her. I mean, one more piece
(26:07):
of information and then I'm going to ask you what
you think Donald Trump's role is. Do you know who
John Doe won seventy four is in the Giselain Maxwell trial?
Maybe but not by name, Okay. In January twenty twenty four,
a federal judge unsealed nearly two hundred court documents from
(26:29):
a lawsuit involving Virginia Guyufree. That is this seventeen year
old girl that was pulled out of mar A Lago
by Gislen Maxwell. She has since although she testified and
this is heartbreaking, she has since committed suicide. So two
under court documents from a lawsuit involving Virginia Guffrey and
(26:50):
Giselen Maxwell, using coded pseudonyms like John Doe one seventy
four for individuals referenced in the filings, Business Insider Newsweek
have identified John twenty one seventy four as very very
likely Donald Trump, based on the judges docket references, the
frequency of Trump's name in related documents, and the absence
of other plausible matches. So there's another one that that
(27:14):
would actually I was unaware about dough one seventy four
until I dug a little deeper thanks to Donald Trump
and Pam Bondy.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Is there is there any question that Trump is in
the Epstein documents as somebody who was molesting children, just
like there's is there any chance Trump's ear was hit
by a bullet. It's just it's it's it's we live.
You know, the hardest part of this administration. I mean,
(27:44):
I don't even know if this is the heartstro one
of the hard parts of being in this administration is
just having to be trapped inside of this cult, surrounded
by people denying their own eyes and that and and
it's it's it's you know, his tweet in all caps
with thirty exclamation points stopped talking about Epstein. It's like,
(28:08):
it's it's so insane, how on the surface it all is,
and how nothing is being done about it. I Mean,
the guy lost a court case where he was accused
of raping a woman already civil civil civil. Yeah, but
I said court case. I didn't say sure, I don't.
(28:31):
I mean, my favorite part from the videos of that,
and I'm probably messing it up a little bit, but
they were like, do you recognize that with the woman
in this picture, and he's like, the Egene Carrol whole thing.
Do you recognize the one who like, I've never seen
her before in my life. Well, that's the picture of
your ex wife Ivanka.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, not quite Evana, but no, you got it almost right.
So he said A that he didn't know Egen Carol
and b that she wasn't his type. Yes, And then
when they showed him a picture of her, they said
who is that? He said, that's my wife, Havanna.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
No, there's another thing where where he didn't recognize Evanna.
I'm telling you, Okay, another thing like that. I mean,
but either way, either way, it's it's just like the
amount of Bob Face lying. This guy's been caught doing
the amount bad at it he is like, that's That's
what's crazy is people calling him this incredible liar and
(29:25):
the only incredible about him is how much he lies.
But it's not like he's a good liar. It's just
the dumbest. The people who don't believe in negative numbers
are the ones having to decipher his lies.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Right, And I will just because we've already shouted out
one of our friends, I'll shout out another.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Drew Landry did you see his uh about stop talking
about Epstein? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
So good.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
It just said something this is how I feel halfway
through the open bike or something.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I posted the thing I was like, when when other comedian,
when people compliment other comedians in front of me?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, that said So, I mean that was my question
was is there any doubt in your mind that Donald
Trump is one hundred implicated? All right, So here's here's
what it was.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Never was any doubt in my mind. I mean, you know, like,
like I'll say, I also do assume Bill Clinton's in there.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Oh hell yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
And then and that's probably a large reason why it
didn't come out when they could have used it against Trump.
But uh, you know, we live in a sick fucking world.
But but but yeah, one hundred. But Donald Trump's probably
in there the most. That's probably the crazy thing, is.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Right, And that's why it didn't come out for sure.
But here, let's talk about the reasons that they're saying
it's not coming out. So the mainstream press so disappointed
in them always in Trump's America for one, Actually a
little side tangent. Donald Trump's special advisor to the President,
who was given unprecedented access to government files, who also
(31:10):
happened to have a private AI that he was developing, tweeted,
Donald Trump is in the Epstein client list. I'm, of
course talking about Elon Musk. Oh. Yeah, Why is the
New York Times, Washington Post? Why is not everyone banging
down his door saying what did you see? What do
you know? Why is he just being dismissed. I haven't
(31:34):
seen anybody go after Elon like dude, what do you got?
And how is this not damning?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I mean, I will say that, like with regards to
the Elon thing, I hate Elon so much as well.
It's it's it's it's on a it's on a par
with Donald Trump, and I would say that there is
like I don't I don't put it past Elon to
be saying that justice or trouble, regardless of the fact
(32:03):
that I do believe Trump is in there. I mean,
I think just seeing the same things we're all seeing
and saying what he's saying and causing trouble. But but
do I do I think Elon seeing something? Maybe maybe
my point is simply all of our he did steal
all of our information.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Put yourself in Let's just go back to Biden. Joe
Biden's the President of the United States. His special advisor
comes out tweets, Joe Biden is in the Epstein client list. Yes,
do you think the mainstream press just ignores that person?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Or he's on every talk show, every reporter wants an
exclusive interview. What do you know?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Definitely not. But Joe Biden's also not hiring bald faced liars,
as is his topic. This is the this is the
catch twenty two of them. It's like they hire liars
and then when the person says something that's probably true
about them that they don't like, they just call them
a liar. It's Trump one oh one, It's it's the
(33:08):
insanity of it. All is is like like when is
when his old lawyer what was the lawyer's name that
like was always trying to like take.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Him down, Well, oh, Michael Cohen.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Michael Cohen, Yeah, just like he worked for Trump forever.
And then when he starts saying like these are the
things the horrible things I did for Trump from its
like he's a liar, he's a well you hired him.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, and they just the cult just rolls along with it. Okay,
So I did a lot of listening to the morning
talk shows this morning, and the mainstream press is running
with this, and it's galling. It's upsetting to me. They're
running with there never was a client list. He lied
to them, he baited them with it, He led them
along because you know what it equaled votes. He knew,
(33:54):
he stirred up the base, and now you know, they're
the dog that caught the car. I'm like, really, there's
all these victims that we know about, all these girls,
all these people that flew on the plane, and there's
no list connecting them. Maybe not in Jeffrey Epstein's handwriting,
here are the people, but that is what the mainstream
(34:16):
press is going with is he lied to them about
the list, and now he's paying the price.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Ebe just killed himself for killed himself over a list
that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
And just laid Maxwell's in jail for crimes that didn't happen. Oh.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
I mean, the mainstream media is a mess. They've been
paying out, they've been paying out lawsuits to Trump, which
then instead of fighting them so they can make it
it's just the rich. It's it's you know, it's the
George Carlin. It's a big club and we're not a member.
I mean, it's it's it's disgusting. It's disgusting the way
(34:54):
they've handled Trump from the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
And uh, absolutely now I'm gonna throw at you. Okay,
So the mainstream media, I'm disgusted. Is it Is it
just that they're walking the line because they can't come
out and say there is a list and Trump's on
it because he's gonna sue them or whatever. So, but
it's just the idea that they're saying there probably never
was a list and Trump baited the cult with this
(35:21):
idea of a list. It's just it seems like malpractice
to me. It seems like bad journalism. Like at least,
uh entertain the idea that there is a list and
Trump's on it.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
You don't know that there's not a list. You're just
taking Pam Bondi's word for it.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah, as if she's a reputable person.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I mean, my big concern is just what, like, the
more this becomes a focus on Trump thing, and it
does continue to become all eyes on Trump, the more
I worry about what Trump's going to do next to
try and take the eyes off of him.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah, but we can't operate that way, right, I mean,
we can't.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
You know, continue to try and take this piece of
shit down.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I mean, it is chipping away at the base. I'm
sure you've seen the footage of Trump supporters burning their
Maga hats.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Some people have even burning their Maga hat and giving
it the finger where it's just like, dude, you're just
you were dumb to support him. You're dumb, Like it's
a hat. It doesn't see you giving it the finger.
It's it doesn't know it's being burned. But I get it.
It's symbolic. But okay, So here's what the cult is
saying now, including Alex Jones. This is what they're saying
(36:41):
is that yes, the list is real, Yes it has
powerful people on it. They're all in the deep State.
And the reason it can't be released is because Donald
Trump is using it to get the deep State to surrender,
winning once and for all the battle against the deep
State and the swamp. And so we just you're gonna
(37:04):
have to take a mulligan on this one and let
him do it, because Trump is using the list to
destroy the deep State, and if he releases it, he
loses all his leverage is it he wonderful?
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I mean yeah, yeah, just us just so studid. It's
like it's like the keyword you ever read the game?
You ever read that book the game about like picking
up girls like that, like the early two thousands. It's crazy.
Like there's two books that I watched Trump, like do
the things from and it's The Game and the forty
(37:39):
eight Laws of Power and and and he's like an
idiot savant at them both. But like in the game,
you know, it's like they say, it's like this is
the book of how to pick up girls, but if
you read the book, it's like this is how to
trick dumb girls into having sex with you.
Speaker 9 (37:55):
And like that's like and that's like what the Trump
thing is. It's like the programming of the word, like
the key words that you repeat over and over again,
like the use of his hands like.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Gesture a things. It's so obnoxious, how stupid and transparent
it is, and how many people in this country it fools,
ms swamp, the deep state, the using it like this.
I pick this image of him as his hero. It's
just so nuts and infuriating and devastating.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Okay, I'm gonna hit you with a few headlines from
the week that I think most people missed because everyone
was obsessed with the Oletian list. So first one I
have here is that, uh, do you know who Ed
Miller is?
Speaker 1 (38:51):
By chance?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Now, so Ed Miller was up for a nomination in
Trump's cabinet. I can't remember the position. And it turned
out he had praised a neo Nazi, not just praised him,
but given him an award at Trump's golf course, the
(39:14):
Bedminster Golf Course, had called him like a great guy.
And then it turned out that this guy had all
these social media tweets praising Adolf Hitler and even saying
Hitler's biggest mistake was he didn't finish the job to
which Trump had was forced by Republicans to remove this
guy's nomination for whatever cabinet position. And what did he do.
(39:36):
He gave him another job that didn't require Senate approval,
which was he put him in charge of the Office
of Weaponizing Government to look into into the Democrats in
Biden weaponizing government.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I've tried to tell so many Jews that are, you know,
vehemently Trump because they're pro Israel, though, like Trump's only
going to make things worse for us down the line,
like like like like, not only does he make not
only does he influence the left to dislike Jews more
(40:13):
his base and his people do not like Jews. They're
they're they're they're supportive. Israel has nothing to do with
liking Jews. They're they're they're like like, Pete hagg Sett
has a fucking Nazi tattoo, and that guy's in charge
of our military. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Trump said, shy Li, I will give you, I will
I will give Pete hag Zett a little bit. It's
like a it's like a Christian nationalist tattoo. You could
say it's Nazi, but it's it's it's questionable, it's on
the line, and Christian nationalism is not Nazi. I'll tell
you this that most people don't know this. Do you
know who John Vorister is?
Speaker 8 (40:55):
No?
Speaker 2 (40:56):
So John Vorister, I'm gonna look for the quote because
I have it right here.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
He became the Prime Minister of South Africa the whole
time Elon Musk was a young man. This is the
influence he had. John Vorister in the thirties wanted to
the South Africans who are fighting because they were a
British colony with the British wanted them to leave the
war as allies of the British and re enter the
war as allies of the Nazis. He was a Nazi
(41:25):
and he is actually the one who coined the phrase
Christian nationalists. And if I may, I'm going to read
you that exact quote. We stand for Christian nationalism, which
is an ally of national socialism. You can call this
anti democratic principle dictatorship if you wish. In Italy it's
called fascism. In Germany German national socialism, and in South
(41:46):
Africa Christian nationalism. So I mean you're right about Pete Hexith.
I mean, a Christian nationalist tattoo is not that far
off from a Nazi tattoo anyway. So this guy, Ed
Miller supports a Nazi. And this week it came out
(42:08):
that a former FBI agent who was charged with joining
a mob's attack on the US Capitol has been given
a job working in the Weaponization working group with Ed
Miller examining if Biden needs to be arrested for weaponizing
the Justice Department. So it's run by a Nazi sympathizer
(42:34):
and a j six rioter is now his deputy.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
It's it's this the the projection of the Trump administration
is one of the most incredible aspects of it. To me.
It's we need to weaponize the Justice Department against our
enemies and charge them with weapons. Nizing the Justice Department.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
It's it's nineteen eighty four, It's Orwellian.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
It's so much stupider than he could have guessed.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
But because you mentioned Pete Hexith, I will say that
this one struck me as odd. I actually saw this
tweet from Trump and was like, what the hell because
and I'll ask you if you see the problem with it.
But Trump tweeted this week Secretary of War Pete Hegsith
was great on Fox News this morning talking about modern
(43:31):
weapons and warfare. Thank you all so much. Also to
Brett Velakovich, who really knows his stuff. We are really
on our way, MAGA. So I saw that tweet, I
was like, what, it's not called the Secretary of War war? Yeah,
Secretary of Defense, Secretary of war. It was called Secretary
(43:55):
of War up until I think the nineteen fifties. But
so I thought that was odd. So I said, what
is that all about? And I looked into it, and
it's a little odder than I thought. Trump calls Hexas
Secretary of War while praising him on a great Fox
News appearance that never happened. Pete Hexath wasn't on Fox
(44:19):
News or any network that morning.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
The Emperor has no clothes, but sodas half the.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Country, I would concur. And the final story of the
week is that that through okay, so financial disclosures and
watchdogs report that Stephen Miller, through one of his children's
(44:48):
brokerage accounts, holds two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in
stock and Pallanteer, which is the company he has hired
to oversee the mass deportations. I mean that used to
be called a conflict of interest. And by hiding it
in a child's stockbroker whatever, how do we know.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
Though that the child didn't invest his own money and
palund here.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
These kids they get a little money nowadays, these kids
Grandma gives them two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for
their birthday. They are going to run to Robin Hood
and put it all into Peter Thiel's company, which could
be the most big brother watching us all thing. I mean,
(45:40):
just it's the fish is not just rotting from the
head down. It is fascist from the head down. It
is opportunists from the head down. It is corrupt from
the head down. It is racist from the head down.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
I think it more. I think it more than anything,
uses racism to protect its classes. But yes, it's racist, right,
But at that point, what's the way you cut it?
It's racist?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, it seems to me that, Yeah, it doesn't matter.
If you're using racism to appeal to racist and you
yourself are not racist, that's pretty fucking racist.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Well, it's just it's just these these billionaires don't not
know how we feel about them, but because of that,
they view us as the enemy, which is what makes
them even more the enemy.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah, I mean, in a in a in essence, they
are smart enough to read their history books and they go,
we are we are nearing the pitchforks and torches and
heads on pike stage of greedy, runaway capitalism. But maybe,
(46:50):
just maybe we're the smartest oligarchs ever and we can
head it off. The problem with the other people that
ended up with their heads on was they didn't try
and headed off. We can control these dumb masses that
we've treated this way.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Did you see the interview with Peter Thiel where they
asked him whether or not the human race should survive?
I mean, it's scary stuff.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, but why don't you just fill us in? I
don't have that clip ready to roll, but he said,
basically he hedged.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
They were like should you He was like, oh, should
should humanity survive? I really can't say. I can't say.
I don't know whether or not humanity should do. It's
such a tough question you've asked me, such a difficult one, man,
humanity survives? Humanity? Every one I'm talking to on this
(47:44):
podcast guys hard to weigh what the correct answer. I
don't like I didn't even hear him get to the answer.
I just watched him like not answer the question for.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Like hem and haw. Now that I think of it,
I've just had this thought and how apropos for this
episode that will end on this because it is conspiratorial.
But I've always been like, oh, they know climate change
is real, that the population of the Earth is going
(48:15):
to decrease greatly, and that's why they're buying these fortresses
and all these things that these billionaires are doing. But
now I'm like, maybe they're looking forward to it. They're like, dude,
we are going to have this planet to ourselves. Not
only that, they're not trying to stop it, they're trying
to accelerate it because they know there's going to be
(48:35):
five thousand of us left on the planet. We're going
to each have continents to ourselves.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
I've thought about that. I think there's two ends of
republicanism that I see. There's the wealthy and the poor end.
And the wealthy end is with AI and robotics and everything,
we don't need these other people anymore, and we can
have the world all to ourselves. And then there's the
poor end have been doomsday prepping their entire lives and
(49:03):
they're like, I'm the poorest motherfucker on Earth right now,
but as soon as the world ends, I'm king. And
I think those are the two. Those are the two
people bracing with excitement for the apocalypse and helping steer
it along. And if I about the rapturists, you know
(49:26):
that that I'm like to me, I'm like, if you're
speeding up the rapture, you know you're not going to
heaven because you don't go to heaven for committing suicide.
And you're trying to commit suicide by rapture.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yeah, and if you're trying to speed up the rapture,
one could make the argument that you're also committing mass
genocide against everyone else. Yeah, so you're no heaven for
you kids, but there, but.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Again, they don't believe in negative numbers.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Right, and unfortunately for me, I don't believe in heaven.
And you're just killing the world for a fantasy book.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
But look up or at the Epstein list.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
And with that, Josh, where can people find you?
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Oh, Josh Edelman Comedy on Instagram, The Edelmeister on everywhere
else including Venmo. Then watch my documentary Mental Lyal on
Amazon Prime Michael and my special will come out at
some point in the future October. October.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Congratulations, And Josh and I signed to the same company
and shot our specials actually the same night together. We're
comedy special buddies. And yeah, I talked to our producer,
super producer Jack Vaughan, and he said October to me, great, congrats,
so look for it until then. Until next time, Josh Edlman,
(50:55):
thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
Peace,
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