#823 - Trump's Terrible 28th Week

Bolsonaro is emboldened by Trump's 50% tariff on Brazil, Texas redistrics, Should senators and such divest? Harvard bends the knee, EPA says Everything Polluters Ask for they get. Epstein (of course) 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:37):
one person on the other microphone, and that'd be mister
Travis Kliburn.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Oh. Hey, I don't know what I'm doing. How we doing? Everybody?
We're doing well.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I know that I'm doing okay because I have yet
to have my cataract surgery, but that's tomorrow morning and
then hopefully i'll be doing great with new eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
So we're recording now on Thursday, the thirty first of July,
and our normal Friday, because you gotta get those eyes snippy,
snapped or.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Whatever, cross the t's and dot the eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
So, ah man, what do you what do you make
of this week we've had so far? It's just it's
we all live on Epstein Island.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
I know, you know what, it seems to me that
the I felt at the beginning of the week that
it was like, this is a slow news cycle and
it don on me. I had just been dodging all
the new Epstein story stuff because it's like, I know,
we're I'm glad it's not leaving the news cycle. You
should stand the news forever. But I'm like, I get it,
he's a penophile. Can we can we just arrest him

(01:49):
and move on? You know what I mean? You wish
I know it's never gonna happen, but or hopefully so.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
We hope, we hope. I mean, we'll get into that
towards the end. Wanted to go, no Epstein at the
front of the show, and we'll we'll get to it,
because that's all anybody's talking about. And I've got my opinions, Travis,
I know you do, but I wanted to start with
something I thought was a little bit interesting. I did
something of a little deep dive. So do you know

(02:17):
about the fifty percent tariff on Brazil?

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I'm not that familiar with the Brazilian tariff?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
No, Okay, what's up?

Speaker 1 (02:29):
There's so many tariffs.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
You know, this one is unlike the other tariffs, Unlike
the other tariffs in every way imaginable.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
This is a fifty percent tariff on Brazil. Why why
why would we put a fifty percent tariff on Brazil
Because they are prosecuting Donald Trump's good friend, former president
of Brazil, Jaira Bolsonaro.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Oh, I've missed this entirely. The process are.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Literally trying to financially blackmail them into dropping the charges
against Ballsonaro. So what is ball Scenaro charged with? Well,
let me read from the hill. Since early July, Trump
has launched an extraordinary attack on Brazil's institution, slapping a
fifty percent tariff on imports from the South American country
and sanctions on a Supreme Court judge in in retribution

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for what he called the political persecution of his ally,
Jaiir Balsonaro, who was on trial for allegedly masterminding.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
A failed coup.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Rarely since the end of the Cold War has the
United States interfered so deeply with Latin American countries. The
economists declared this week.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
So uh, I mean, I think the CIA would disagree
with that statement. But as far as interfering with South
American countries. But what so he I guess he's just fore,
you know, twop failures of a feather fly.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
That was very good. If I had any emotions left
in me, I would have laughed, but I would train
after this week. Yeah, but let's talk about Bolsonnaro for
a minute, because the similarities are amazing. I think Trump
takes it so personally that Bolsonaro was arrested and is

(04:25):
on trial for the very thing Donald Trump should have
been arrested and put on trial for. Thank you very much,
Joe Biden and Merrick Garland two pussies. Sorry, I don't
mean to that's your new it's your new rap album. Name.

(04:46):
So Bolsonaro, let's talk about what he did. Bolsonaro made
repeated threats against Brazil's Supreme Federal Court, including refusing to
obey court rulings. Where have we heard that before? Again,
I think Trump just feels like he's looking in the
mirror here incclording, refusing to obey court rule, leagues, proposing
impeachment of justices, and undermining judicial independence. I mean, if

(05:08):
you took the name gile Barrolsonnaro out of that and
put Donald Trump into that, it would still be one
hundred percent correct statement.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Bolsonnari frequently questioned the integrity of Brazil's electoral system and
suggested that elections could be canceled unless specific reforms were adopted. Well,
Trump hasn't exactly said cancel the elections just yet, but
we'll get to the jerry mandering, or as I like
to call it, the Epstein mandaring going on in Texas

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as well as other states.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
EXAs is unbelievable. What they're doing right now.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Gile Barrolscenario's administration employed legal tools to intimidate critics and
journalists independent media, The Intercept Brazil and Glenn Greenwall entered
harassment and potential legal charges tied to investigating government corruption. Again,
just take the name Jaira Bolscenaro off of that, put
Donald Trump onto that, and it would read exactly the same.
Although Grenn Greenwald I think is a Trump supporter to

(06:09):
some extent, It's been a while since I've gone down
by Glenn Greenwild green Wild green wald Wald path, but
I stopped reading him some time ago when he started
to sound just right wing conspiratorial to me.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
But there's that's that.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, next up Official Brazil Official. Brazilian prosecutors have accused
Bolsonaro of orchestrating a post twenty twenty two election clue plot,
involving preparations to prevent Louis Lula da Silva from assuming office.
The scheme reportedly included plans to assassinate Lula, his vice president,

(06:48):
and Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Morale Mores. Again, okay,
that one. You can't quite take Trump's name off of.
I put Trump's name him in place of but it echoes.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
It rhymes yeah, because didn't he So you said he
attempted to assassinate his vice president.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
No, uh, well, maybe I should really properly he tried
to so da Silva. Lula is the current president who
was imprisoned before the election. I think from what I
just read from that he was trying to assassinate Lula. Ah,
I see, I see a vice president and Supreme.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
See all I heard. I'm only hearing Trump out of this.
Then I only heard, oh, he tried to kill Mike Pence.
There it is. There's a connection. Or he said he
didn't try to kill Mike Pence. He just sent a
bunch of angry people to hang yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
And then next up just this is where it gets
into some weird similarities that I was like, man, who's
of a feather? To dust off an old chestnut that
Travis Cliburn came up with all of eight minutes ago.

(08:03):
So in addition to his other scandals such as trying
to assassinate his opponent and have a coup to overthrow
the government and limit journalists and says a lot elections
are rigged, et cetera, et cetera, this one I found
very interesting. In March twenty nineteen, bol scenario posted a

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pornographic carnival video on Twitter and followed it up with
the question what is a golden shower?

Speaker 1 (08:34):
What? The true?

Speaker 2 (08:35):
International headlines offended many and were eventually deleted, to which
I'm like, was it Trump accused of the peepee tape?

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Are powerful men into golden showers?

Speaker 1 (08:52):
What weird similarity? Why have I don't know? You know what?
At the heart of every rich, power, hungry person is
the heart, the beating heart of a sexual debian. Every
single one of them have got some kind of weird
And you know, when you get weird, sometimes you can
pee on each other.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, I mean I have never I have done so
many historical deep dives, read so many books, read so
many documentaries, and I never came across this again. But
when I first started college, one of my first classes,
I remember the professor told us, and again I don't
think he was correct, but he and I was like, ooh,
college is different than high school. I remember him saying

(09:35):
eight off Hitler because he was this is Boston. Adolf
Hitler could not come to orgasm unless a woman shat
on his chest.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
It was like, what damn. That's a strong opening to college.
By the way, Yeah, like, no way we go. But
basically I dropped out.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Thought I would have stuck around if it was gonna
be all information like that.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, what was he? Because I've heard a lot of
I mean rumors about you know, Adolf, but I missed
that one entirely. That was awesome.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
He had one nut. I've heard that before, you know,
all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Uh, there's great video now of because apparently he was
so addicted to amphetamines. There was oh yeah, yeah, there's
crazy videos of him, like a different Olympic ceremonies and
stuff like that. Just I mean, he is tweaked out
of his gourd.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
He was tweaked out of his gourd. But also the
Valkyrie or the assassination attempt on him that was part
of the film Valkyrie, which is a true story of
his generals detonating a bomb in one of his in
one of his layers. It actually did do a lot
of damage to him. I think that there was nerve
damage and a few other things, which was one of

(10:53):
the reasons that they upped the meth and the I
think he was on liquid cocaine drops. There's a book
called Blitz if anyone's in on how basically all the
Nazis were just on tons of math and cocaine, but
they had liquid cocaine drops they'd put directly into Hitler's eyes.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
If I'm not mistaken, Damn, that is one way to
do it. That is intense. Yeah, I mean, you ain't
messing around at that point.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Okay, back to what JD Vance And now am I
not good at transitions and connective tissue? And back to
what the person JD Vance once called America's Hitler, Donald
Trump and Jai air bolscenario. So finally, one more similarity
that I found Friday or. In twenty fifteen, a Brazilian

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judge ordered conservative Brazilian congressman, so he was not yet
President of Brazil, congressmen Jaiir Bolsonaro to pay more than
twenty five hundred dollars in fines for saying to a
fellow congresswoman that she was quote and this was in
Portuguese all obviously, but she was quote not worth raping

(12:06):
Jesus Christ, my God. Which she was ordered to pay
one hundred or ten thousand reals.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
That's enough, okay, let me give.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
You the full quote. He said in a newspaper interview
that she was quote not worth raping. She is very ugly, I.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Mean, other than the Trump has said, she's a sixth
at best, like a thousand fucking times.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
No, no, no, I have four examples of him doing far
worse than that.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Oh really, okay, please.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
That's right, Egan Carol. In twenty twenty three, Trump reported
claim that Carol, who accused him of rape and a
department store dressing room, was quote.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Not my type.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
In other words, I couldn't have raped her, she said, yep.
And just in case anyone is wondering, he said she
was not his type, and then in giving a deposition,
they showed him a picture of Egene Carrol, and he

(13:10):
incorrectly identified the woman in the photo as his wife,
Marla Maples.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, so the woman that wasn't.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
His wife looked so, I mean, not his type, looked
so much like his wife that he mistook her. So
either he married a woman that wasn't his type, don't
think so, or that was total bullshit.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Definitely bullshit. Just that that's sleazy. Don she always does.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
In twenty sixteen, a woman by the name of Jessica
Leeds accused Donald Trump of groping her on a plane
in the nineteen eighties. Donald Trump denied it by suggesting,
quote she wasn't attractive enough for him to do that.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
He also said, quote, believe me, she would not have
been my first choice. Who frames it like that? Yeah,
I mean, like just go, I would never violate a
personal someone's personal space with uninvited hansy whatever, groping. That's

(14:14):
what you say. I would never. That's not me, and
kt he goes, trust me, if I was going to
grow up someone, she would not be my first choice.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
That doesn't mean in his twisted brain that is a
better defense to tell other people. Maybe he knows there's
no way they would believe that he wouldn't do something
like that.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
In twenty sixteen, Natasha stoing Off, a former People Magazine journalist,
alleged that Trump forcibly kissed her at mar Lago in
two thousand and five. Trump dismissed her claim and mocked
her appearance by saying, quote, she doesn't look like someone
I'd be interested in.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Again, not the way you say that, that's fucking yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
And then he he said in another when because he
always clarifies and makes it worse, that's oh, he said,
quote take a look at her, Look at her.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
You tell me what you think. I don't think. So
it's tough one.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
So, I mean, I guess in a sense, I'm I'm
I'm downplaying by by just drawing these comparisons to the
fact that the United States of America is terriffing if
that's even a verb, terriffing Brazil get them to drop
charges against Donald Trump's friend.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
I mean, yeah, that seems like something he would do.
I mean, you've got to figure he is definitely going
to be using this trade war and has been just
to inflict his personal vendettas and get his way, because
I mean, he says that very openly, like this is
about forcing other countries to treat America and himself better.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
And so obviously I don't have the tariffs necessarily on
the list of things to talk about, but it's the
trade deals are all bullshit.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yes, oh yeah, And also like, haven't we not collected
any of the tariff money yet? Or like like or sorry,
I think it was Ford as finally this year already
reported a loss in the millions, and they do. Most
of their manufacturers still here.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, the auto industry is feeling the crunch from and
it's about to go into the ticket price of the
cars as well. I did a deep dive into this,
and I found that in reality, a lot whereas people say, well,
you know that we pay the tariffs because you know,
the importer pays the tariff, not the district, not the shipper,

(16:49):
not the person in the other country, but the person
importing it pays the tariff, and then they passed that
cost on to the consumer. So we're paying the tariffs.
That's mostly true, but in some cases it turned out
that between the people sending the goods over to America,
and the importer. They ate the cost in an effort
to try and keep prices down and keep people from
just not buying their products all together. But that is

(17:12):
going to end soon enough, so forward. One of the
reasons they had these big losses is that they didn't
add it to the sticker price of their cars just yet,
but it's about to, so prices are going up.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
We also got to remember, we are now running out
of the two I believe you get Q one and
Q two front loading that they did when the tariff
routs coming, like that's why the ports were out of control.
They ordered months and months and months of stuff and
then that's it's running out. Like they're going to eventually
have to the people that have been pushing back buying
with the new tariffs, they got to get their stuff eventually,

(17:47):
and it's going to screw over a lot of people
and we're going to all feel it, you know at
the stores.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Well look, this is my belief, and if you look
at the writings of Russell Vote, the Heritage Foundation Project
twenty twenty five and others, I'm not wrong to say this.
One of the reasons they're so into tariffs is that
the tariffs were how we raised money as a country
pre income tax. And if you know anything about conservatives,

(18:16):
they hate income tax. They hate taxes in general, but
income tax in particular. Now something like tariffs, which are
a sales tax. Basically it increases the price of goods.
That is a regressive tax. That is to say that
poor people, it hurts them a lot more than it
hurts rich people. Income tax supposed to be a progressive tax.

(18:37):
It mostly is a progressive tax in this country, even
though we've cut the top tax rate considerably. The fact
of the matter is that is to say, the more
you earn, the more you pay. Whereas sales tax, it
just hits everybody equally. So rich people don't care if
you've added fifteen percent to the price of goods if
you so, I believe, I truly believe that tariffs are

(18:59):
the test ballow to get rid of income tax, which
again only benefits the rich.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah. I mean, well, you'll barely feel that if you're
middle class, because if you have that twenty five thirty
percent more in your paycheck, but everything is, you know,
one hundred times more expensive, then it's kind of irrelevant
that you've got that extra rich.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, if you make five hundred million dollars a year
and you're paying out, you know, forty five million dollars
a year in taxes. Corn flakes going up in price.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, it doesn't mean I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, any day of the week, give me my forty
five million dollars back and I'll pay whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
For corn flakes. And it really is they can like
these people can also afford to take these hits with
the changing of the economy and the trade war and
stuff like that. Stuff we can absolutely not afford, like
the little changes that will marginally benefit them financially, we'll

(20:03):
absolutely cripple millions of people. And I know we're going
to be seeing that over the next few years. Unfortunately, Yep,
here we go.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well, speaking in the next few years, the fix is
in for the midterms already. I'm sure you saw this
Texas we're going to talk about, but I believe I
was seeing it before we went to air that Ohio
is talking about redistricting as well to the benefit of
the Republicans. So they're supposed to redraw the maps in

(20:33):
twenty thirty. But Texas legislator in a special move, might
be able to redraw the maps immediately, and Donald Trump
has been very clear he wants them to do this,
and they believe that they can get five more seats
for the Republicans out of Texas alone.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Jesus, what didn't they completely somehow remove Jasmin Crockett from
her district.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Well, districting does do that from time to time. I
didn't see that they did that intentionally. But is that
the case. I don't have that information in front of me. Yeah,
let me let me try to find that to be accurate.
But yes, it's why you're looking. I'll point out that,
I say, forget calling it jerry mandering. We know why
they're doing trying to do this, and it's to protect
Donald Trump. So let's call it what it is, Epstein mandering.

(21:23):
They don't want that d analyst to come out. And yes,
I realized that Jeffrey mandering would have been better, but yeah,
on the nose. Too many Jeffries out there.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, there's some other Jeffries.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Everybody knows what you mean when you say epstein mandering.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Jets mc Crockett calls out gup jerry mandering plot after
your redrawing map kicks her out of her own district.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
So yeah, it does look like I currently don't live
in Greshi District thirty that they created. That's not where
I live now. It's in other words, they've moved her
to another district, and almost from what I was seeing
on tiktoking different stories about people talking about it recently,
it seemed almost if you look at the map, a

(22:08):
bit malicious, like they were like threw her, move her
out of here. I would that wouldn't surprise me. She
is one of the most outspoken progressives, especially Texas. Yeah,
I mean yeah, and she makes the media coverage. She
gets pisses off right wingers aggressively because she gets great traction,

(22:29):
lots of viral moments online. Same with people like AFC,
who they absolutely despise.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Because I'm afraid of her. Yeah, absolutely, because they know
that she has a real chance of being the voice
of a new generation and they're just giving her the
Hillary treatment.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
You know. That's why I was always against.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Hillary Clinton running for president in twenty sixteen, not because
I didn't think she wouldn't be a good president, but
because Fox News had freaking fifteen years of role time
to get ready to poison the well against her.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Oh and I mean just by association with Bill Come on,
I mean, and everything that went down with just different
things Clinton did to help her get elected, the whole
thing with the way the well was way too poisoned
in twenty sixteen for her to have a chance. Yeah,
and also she seemed like she thought she had it
in the bag.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
But you know, yeah, well we all kind of did.
After the Access Hollywood tape came out.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Oh the pussy tape.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Oh yeah, so yeah, you and I were talking already
about this. But this, this bill to banned stock trading
for politicians and Josh Holly is quite hilarious. It just
so speaks to But we have a clip for this,
don't we.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
We have a clip of Rick Scott giving his feelings.
And you know how Rick Scott is such an understanding man,
you know, man who cares about people and oversaw one
of the largest cases of medicaid fraud in American history ever.
So yeah, here's rich it all Like Lex Luthor, No,

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he did a long lurchy Lex Luthor, He's a long man.
I usually he had to say about this bill.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
It's this idea that we're going to attack people because
they make money is wrong, is absolutely wrong. We should
cherish all of our different backgrounds. Every one of us
has a different background. I've got a business background. But
what I was just accused of is making money is
somehow I can't do. I can't be fair and do

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things the right way.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
So I think it's disgusting with this is what is
going on, just the way he talks about how it's disgusting,
as if they're trying to like persecute him personally.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
You can't make money. What the bill's about it, it's
like you have insider information as a senator in his case.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah, which he's so capitalized on a lot. He is
incredibly wealthy.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
There was a case that's coming to mind, and I
can't remember the details on it, but in the Trump's
last administration of some Republican senator or congressman attending a
meeting about something that was going to affect a specific
stock and from the White House was texting like his
son to like buy or sell or something like.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
That, which is not illegal technically, which is crazy to me.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, So the bill, let's talk about the bill. The
bill is in fact to make it so that well,
let me just read to you from CNN dot com
about it because it's rather funny. And one Republican voted
for it, and that was Josh Holly. And of course
this is what cracks me up about Trump is like
Holly has been one of his most staunch advocates, as
staunch supporter, but he turns on anybody immediately. And it's

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not just like he says, oh, he made a bad
call this one time. He called him a second tier senators.
I never liked him like the second you do. I
never liked him. I always thought he was stupid. Holly,
of course went begging for forgiveness anyway, So CNN dot
Com Republican Senator Josh Holly on Thursday dismissed a dust
up with President Trump over a stock trading bill to

(26:24):
a misunderstanding, saying he'd spoken with the President and the
hours after he dressed him down as a quote second
tier senator and the pair had a good conversation. Trump
had gone after Holly on Wednesday after he voted with
Democrats to advance a bill that would ban stock trading
for elected officials and mandate officials divest from their financial

(26:44):
instruments upon the start of their next term. The pair
of smooth things over later in the day, the Missouri
Republicans said, recounting his conversation with the president, Holly told reporters, basically,
I told Trump, Hey, I added a provision to the
bill that exact EMPs you Jesus Christ. It exempts literally

(27:05):
just Trump, not by name, but just says that this
doesn't apply to the president of the vice president until
twenty twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Which is a very convenient time period, just.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
As he's leaving off. Like they even gave him the
twenty days of January that he would still be president
in twenty twenty nine to keep making money, like.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
Because he's like, that's the sweetest period, That's what I
really cash it.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
So they even gave him that.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Oh my goodness. I mean, it's like, I get why
hollies on it, because like they they've always attacked Pelosi
the most because I mean, TV fair Pelosi has as
shitload of money in stocks, and so does her husband, obviously,
and it would be not hard at all to argue
that she does a great deal of insider trading, which
most of them are guilty for. I mean, but Rick Scott,

(27:56):
see's here, you see some numbers. A former Rick Scott
with a reported net worth of two hundred and fifty
five million, an additional one hundred and seventy three million
assets held by his wife.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Not enough, I know, he needs more. Yeah, that guy's
got that kind of money and he can't afford rogaine.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Or one of those Turkish hair transplants, you know what
I mean? Though those were like three grand to pop.
He could have had, like, you know, a thousand of
them by now. Goddamn. And then, of course Nancy Pelosi
and her husband Quiver Quantitative estimates her net worth at
two hundred and sixty point six million as of January first,

(28:37):
twenty five, the second highest in Congress. Wow, first highest
being Rick fucking Scott. So if you want to the
two people who have the most money, one of them
is Rick Scott, one of them is Nancy Pelosi. Wow.
And it's not enough. He wants more.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, Well, how dare you demonize me for being rich?

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah? That this is disgusting, like that set like what
a narcissist like, Like this is only going to affect
very specific people, and then it will actually benefit people
in America in my opinion, because then you can actually
be objective and we know that you're supposed to be
a public servant, which I feel like that that word,

(29:21):
that phrase is gone. Like they none of them feel
like they're public servants anymore. If anything, that they feel
like we owe them everything. Yeah, sort of the opposite
way around.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Well, this puts it brings up something interesting, an argument
I've had with several liberal progressive friends many times over
the years. I'm curious what your take on it is. Yeah,
I'm also curious what the listeners take on it is.
If you guys want to hit me with the dms
or the comments or on Patreon, or if you're not
on Patreon, just DM Travis or I with your response

(29:55):
to this. But I've been saying for a long time
that I think, and people's had explode when they hear
me say this. I think we should increase the pay
for senators, Congress people, and the president exponentially because the smartest,
most talented people out there make a shitload of money.
And this is a huge pay cut for a long

(30:18):
period of time, for six eight years, whatever it is,
just for one term, you know, I guess Congress is
two years. You're asking to take a huge pay cut
in order to come into government and to do your
civil service, and I think the pay should be something

(30:38):
that's at least appetizing to them, like it's just actually
a great profession.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah, yes, because a lot of people, especially middle class
and lower mid class people, argue all the time that
they make a lot of money. You know, I'm making
over one hundred thousand dollars a year, but really even
now by today's standards, that's like a middle class salary
by today's standards. And if you are expecting these people
who are in these positions to I don't know that
they should necessarily have fuck you money, but they should

(31:05):
be paid better. But I think that could be the
give and the take, Like I do think they should
be paid better. And then they shouldn't be allowed to
keep interest in their own business like that, it should
be public service. They shouldn't be allowed to hold all
the money from their business anymore, or run their business anymore.
And they shouldn't be allowed to own stocks. It's about
as simple as that. That way, you know that you

(31:27):
are coming there, this is your career. Now for four years,
it's your career, yeah for six exactly. Come in to
do a good job and get out. That's fine.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
But I'm just saying the people that tend to get
elected are people that are attracted to it for the
wrong reasons. And it doesn't seem like it's a calling
to do civil service to help your fellow Americans as
much as it, I don't know, maybe I'm crazy to
think that that was ever the case. But in order

(31:58):
to get somebody to be the tech job, somebody to
get to leave like any like really great job the
smartest people like, that's that's that's what.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
A meritocracy is.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
What Republicans are always talking about and they want is
you get paid for your talents. And if you're super smart,
that's your talent. I'm super smart, I'm a great problem solver. Well,
fortune five hundred companies will pay through the nose for
you to come in with your super smart brain and
your problem solving skills. Yeah, we should pay at least
enough so that it's appetizing to come in for four years,

(32:29):
six years, whatever and perform a civil service, use your
big brain to help your fellow Americans, and then get
out if you want.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
You know, it may also encourage I think people to
get out, which is something like without having to instill
like congressional and judicial term limits a thing that I
think should be a thing the like, you know, I
think it was. Jim Clyburn recently said, because he's been
in the he's been in office for Jesus forty fifty.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Years, forty three years, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Something like that. He hasn't been in office for so long,
And they asked him. When David Hogg was saying like,
these people need to step down and they need to
make room for the next generation, he was quoted saying, like, well,
what about my life. It's like, I don't give a
shit about your life. Man, You are ancient. You are
providing anything and you're not moving anything forward. So that

(33:25):
means these because they are able to make so many
good business deals while they're in office, it is more
lucrative for them to stay in So if it was
less lucrative but they had a nice salary, it would
I think you're right, it would attract better people for
the job who could just do the job. It seems
like everyone who gets elected all of a sudden makes
all this money. Yeah, I'll swear like that can't be. Yeah,

(33:48):
that can't be how this works like that, that can't
be what this is for. That's why so many rich
people go into this. They self finance or they get
corporate donors because they have the connections. And that's why
the countries just ran by rich people.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yep, speaking of spending a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Are we guilty of being some of those liberals that
were like proud of Harvard for standing their ground against
the Trump administration. I remember at one point the news
was like, hey, Harvard's not bending the knee to Trump.
I think, yeah, they bent the knee. Oh did they

(34:28):
really Harvard bent the knee in fact, not just bent
the knee. Biggest payout to date. Harvard is giving the
Trump administration five hundred million dollars, largest trophy to date
for Trump.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Is this Where is this money going to Trump personally?
No lawsuit or what is it? Why are they paying
five hundred million dollars?

Speaker 2 (34:56):
We said, well, it was Columbia originally that paid all
the money. Now Harvard's doing the same because you know,
it's it's literally simple math. They're paying out five hundred
million dollars for the crime of admitting black people to
their school.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
And uh yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, basically.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
That's that's what they I mean, it's they they are against,
you know, admitting practices that discriminated against white people. What
and I think it unlocks then two billion dollars worth
of funding for them for you know, scientific research and
things like that.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yes, which I saw a lot of that in Man.
A lot of the the research that he has cut
or will be cut would have set us back like
a hundred years, I mean no exaggeration, like with some
of the research that they that was happening in some
of these college campuses and was funded by the America

(36:02):
government that he is shutting down. Like I can't even
we can't even keep track of all of it right
now because we don't actually and a lot of it's
up in the air like this, Like they were going
to cut a lot of this Harvard stuff. I'm sure
they bent the knee, which fucking sucks, But now they're
not gonna kill a lot of the important research they
were doing so.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Well, depending on which research. Because although I was going
to get onto a slightly different story right there, let
me jump ahead to this one because it plays perfectly
into what we're talking about EPA rolling back just about
all regulations. The EPA is proposing to roll back a
significant number of emission regulations, including those related to greenhouse

(36:44):
gases from vehicles and power plants. This includes rescinding the
two thousand and nine Endangerment Finding, which determined that greenhouse
gas emissions endanger public health.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
All right, man, so we can just suck on gas
pipes now.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I mean literally literally, I mean literally, factories open the vents,
burn what you want. That's ducking nuts, you know, just
burn tar instead of natural gas. Whatever you can find.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Oh my god, that's tough. That's bad. I mean, I
think they're heating up the world for a reason with
hot rock. They are lizard people.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
I mean that. At that point, it's just like this
isn't even crazy conspiracy mind anymore. In my opinion. There's
no fucking way they don't know that greenhouse gases are
heating up the earth.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
They just don't care.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
You know. It's like these conspiracy minded far right lunatics
for conspiracy minded people, they can't seem to draw the
straight line from fossil fuel companies, donations to the GEO,
to the GOP's denial of climate science. It's a straight line.
One dot connects to the other, connects to the other,
and there's a reinforced freaking cement highway connecting these There's

(38:12):
no piece of string between clothes pins or whatever it
is that they use. It's a straight direct path fossil
fuel company money to the GOP. GOP denies climate science.
It's that simple. The person that will sit you down
for three hours and to explain to you the freaking

(38:33):
circuitous route that twists and turns that somehow Hunter Biden
and the ghost of Edgar Mever's rigged the oscars against
white people. They will, they will spend three hours explaining
that to you. But they will. They cannot see the
straight line between fossil fuel industry, the GOP, and climate science, which.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Is crazy because their home in town are usually is
They told the follow the money man. It's like you
can you can see it, you can watch it. It's
right there. It's yeah, left the trail of breadcrumbs for christ.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
I don't know, but what they say, if I can
put on my conspiracy at from oh no, no, no, no, these
climate scientists, if they don't tow the line, they get
their grant. They don't get their grant money. So that's
the money they're following. Is that experts who went to
college for twenty years to get degrees in these things.
Get paid.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, they make it money.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
See if they were doing it for free, to which
I always say the same thing. I say, Let's imagine now,
what would happen to the climate scientist that proved it
all wrong that CO two is not eating. What would
happen to them? Oh, they'd be shunned. No, they would
win the Nobel Prize if they could prove all of
science is wrong. If they could prove it all of

(39:46):
science is wrong, We're doing it all wrong. Here's the
actual truth. They would be on the cover of every newspaper,
every I'm an old man magazine. I know these things
don't exist anymore.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Stands top headlines.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
People would be telegraphing about them around the world. That's
just and that's just wrong. Climate science, prove it wrong. Stop.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Oh that's the fuck it? I mean, you're right, yeah, exactly,
like and also, like, I think the biggest conspiracies with
science is that people just don't understand the fundamentals of science,
which is everything has to be held up to an
aggressive amount of scrutiny. Like that, that's the biggest thing
that like, because they're like, oh, there's people out there
that have these ideas. Man, it's like, what's what about
that three percent? Because it said they always say ninety

(40:38):
seven percent of science climate climate scientists. I don't think anymore.
It's not It's probably like two fucking guys. But they
always find those two guys on YouTube and they're insight
and they.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Can't find follow the money because those two guys are
always paid by Exxon or Standard Oil or Shell Oil
or whoever the hell it is exactly.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
I do think there's a fundamental element of untouchability we
have with the which is because people might ask, like
even conspiracy theorists types might say, like, if this was true,
why would rich people want to fuck up the world.
It's like, because they think they're untouchable. Like they think,
no matter what happens in the world, they've got the
cash in the capitol to handle it, it doesn't matter.

(41:17):
You know, they'll lock themselves in their ivory towers and
the flood will wash everyone else away. You know, they
think they've got a Noah's Ark in their backyards, so
they're not even worried about it, because all that really
matters to them is, you know, filling the hole in
their heart, left by a father who wouldn't hug them. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
I got into it with a Maga relative not long
ago about windmills, which we've talked about last week rather extensively.
And you know, they said that they're ruining nature. I said,
wouldn't the poisonous air be rooting nature more? They said, yeah, no,
air is invisible. How does that hurt nature? You can't

(41:59):
they you just know. They just meant, like the aesthetic
of nature. Like I look at rolling hills, I don't
want to see poisonous air is invisible like the rolling
hills and the mountains, I can still see them. But them,
damn windmills. I mean they don't. In their defense, they
don't know what they want or what they mean. They're
being fed things to say, and they they they don't

(42:23):
bother to question do I have Do I agree with?
This is the motivation inside of me to repeat this.
They just go, yeah, windmills, I hate them.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Why. I also don't get that. I don't get that,
especially like so, I'm from Dayton, Ohio. I've drive up
to Chicago all the time. It's about a four hour
four and a half hour drive up to Chicago and
you drive mainly through northern Indiana. Now, there ain't shit
in northern Indiana but flat planes and windmills, And the
coolest part of the drive is being able to see

(42:56):
the miles and miles of those giant wind turbines. It's
actually cool. I think it's cool, yeah, because you know,
at least it makes it Northern Indiana halfway interesting to
look at other than flat fields of nothing like.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
And when it comes to my relative, I'm like, I've
known you for fifty years. I don't remember you ever
complaining about windmills.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
It's so it's like the I don't know what it
is about right wing propaganda. It's they are just so
good at figuring out little phrases that really just like
like kind of like via mitosis absorbed into the brain
of right wingers, and they just parakeet out what they say,
and they do it so well. I don't know if

(43:42):
it's because they repeat them frequently and often, or what
the formula is to get this stuff to stick. But it's,
like you said, it's opinions that I've never fucking heard
you feel this way before, and all of this, all
of a sudden, you don't like windmills.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
It's fair.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Or anything. Yeah, like why did this permeate your dome
so aggressively and so recently? Yeah, I don't know. It's
fascinating me.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah. I mean, look, I don't want to get into it,
but I've got I have had this argument with them
so many times. They're like, masks don't work. I go, great,
next time you're having surgery, tell the fucking surgeon take
that goddamn mask off, breathe into my wounds.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, when you're having eye surgery tomorrow, virgilia, tell the
surgeon to sneeze into your cut open eyeball.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
It's like a terrifying Yeah. You know. My favorite thing
is the argument is uh because they like to break
things down into in the most simplest terms. And I
saw a right winger talk about like, how come if
I rip a fart I can smell it through my mask,
that means it ain't working. I was like, first off,
that's a hell of a fart that you can smell

(44:54):
it through an N ninety five mask, by the way,
but also vapors and her diet. Yeah, but then you
have to explain of them difference between vapors and particles
and particle sizes, and then you lose them completely and
they're like, I gotta smell my fart so they don't
fucking work, Like, okay, okay, I don't.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
I'd like to write a letter to this scientific journal.
I call it the fart uh fart Case, the Case
against farts. I don't even know where to begin with that.
And this is the final thing I'll say about it.
I always say to them, do you really think if
you had the opportunity to go in front of the
scientific world and make this case that they'd be like.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Oh my god, we didn't we didn't think about that.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Are you saying farts, Dave, forget everything? Farts now?

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Amazing amazing point.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
It's like, if you the climate's changing all the time.
I know, I'm sorry we always make them southern, but
that's just reality. Climate's changing all the time. I'm like,
do you think if you went to the world's climate
scientists and said climate change and all the time, they'd
be like, oh my god, I didn't think. Holy shit,
we didn't think about that. It used to be an

(46:09):
ice age and then there was a warming period. Clearly
the climate change. I cannot believe we didn't think about that.
Thank you so much, Jimbob shout out to the listeners
named Jim Bob. All right, another story for you that
got by me. Oh do you have something left to

(46:29):
say about Jim Bob?

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Now? Me and Jim Bob can we could talk later? God,
I've said enough.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
So this this story was very interesting to me.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
So.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Federal judges presiding over major cases involving Trump administration on
Thursday denounced threats they faced as tensions between the White
House and judiciary continued to mount. US District judges John J.
McConnell Jr. Of the District of Rhode Island and John
Cole's caught Coffin Hour Wow, co o U g h

(47:04):
E n ou?

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Are that really looks like Coffin Hour? Okay?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
And John Coffin Hour of the Western District of Washington
said during a virtual event that they have endured campaigns
of harassment since taking on the prominent cases. Judges public
remarks condemning the violent threats and intimidation they faced are
a rare occurrence, as sitting judges often remain mum amid
criticism to avoid appearing biased, but the pair said the

(47:31):
time had come to speak out as the independence of
the judiciary comes under increasing attacks. So these people have
cases involving the Trump administration in front of them, and
they're getting violent death threats, to which I was like,
why are the judges speaking out? Why wouldn't Trump speak out?
If the judges are like, hey, we're getting death threats,

(47:52):
why wouldn't he say to his base, hey, don't do that,
don't do that.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
He loves it. He loves the dude nothing. There is
probably no time in his life he felt more love
than when the January sixth, when that mob of people
were attacking the capital just for him, and I think
it was like Woodstock sixty nine. It was amazing, all

(48:20):
of it for me. So yeah, he loves that shit.
I mean, there's no I think we also, we are
so far past the days of him ever condemning something
horrible His followers do, like, you know, we.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Try to believe the Epstein list is real.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, then he calls him idiots. It's tough,
but yeah, other than things that affect him directly, like
him being heavily named in the Epstein List, he.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Certainly is speaking of it. Why don't we go ahead
and dive into a little Epstein. Now I sent you
a clip of just typical Trump supporter trying to defend
a bullshit position on Sienna, and Jake Tapper shuts it down.
They all have the wrong information. And as you're loading

(49:11):
that up, actually, let me just point this out, Donald Trump.
Everybody knows this all over the news, but he the
White House said Donald Trump for years, and I've had
arguments with many a Trump supporter for years about Donald
Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. They go, oh, he the second
he figured out he was a creepy threw him out
of mar alogo. Oh, he did it. And then White

(49:32):
House even said, like last week, Donald Trump ended his
relationship with Jeffrey Epstein because he was a creep. And
then Donald Trump goes up, goes, no, it's because they
were taking sixteen and seventeen year old girls out of
my spa at mar A Lago.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, yeah, like he do coachings. And he put it,
which is more fucked up in my opinion, He phrased
it as they were poaching his employees. And then the
more you look at who the employees were, you were like, oh,
those were fucking young girls. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yeah, and by the way, timeline doesn't add up at all,
because he said Virginia Duffrey, who was the woman who
unfortunately committed suicide in April, who was one of Jeffrey
Epstein's victims. Yeah, Trump says that she was one of
the ones, and she did work at mar A Lago
and she was scoped out by Gallaine Maxwell and hired

(50:21):
by Jeffrey Epstein out of mar A Lago. But that
was two to three years before the earliest date that
Donald Trump could have conceivably broken it off with Jeffrey
Epstein because it's late as I can't remember when. But
they phoned photos of him with Epstein and quotes of
him with Epstein years after that, So apparently he didn't

(50:42):
have that big of a problem with it.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah, well I didn't he say, he did it, and
then years later he did it again. Man, I was
done with that guy out. Yeah, sona non grata, Stop
taking my young girls.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
They're mine, And he said my people anyway, let's play
the club, all right?

Speaker 6 (51:02):
Or is a sweetheart plea deal that was made underneath
the Obama administration with Epstein, and that that sweetheart has
not been exposed. It was, well, it was heard it
was two thousand and eight. It was the US attorney
at the time was a guy named alex Acosta. He
was a Bush appointee. He went on to become President

(51:23):
Trump's Secretary of Labor. It all took place in two thousand.
Who was in office at the time, two thousand and eight,
George W.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Bush.

Speaker 6 (51:29):
Who was in office at the time, George W.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Bush.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
No.

Speaker 6 (51:31):
Two thousand and nine is when the case came out,
and it was and Obama was in office at the time.
It's not true.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
It's just not true. I mean, what the fuck? Just
not true? In Oklahoma so many times on the show before.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
But it's like alex Acosta was the attorney general for
the state of Florida. He was appointed by George W. Bush.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
He was a Republican.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
He for whatever reason that we don't know or understand,
gave Jeffrey Epstein an unbelievable sweetheart art deal for sex
trafficking in which he had to go to jail for
like a couple of like I think it was like
under a two years or something. But he only had
to get six days a week. He got to go
leave jail all day. He only had to spend Sundays

(52:15):
in jail. He had to sleep in jail and spend
Sundays in jail.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
So that's that's so much finer than the week in
warrior stuff they make some people. Do you know you
have to go cluck in Friday night, clock out Sunday morning, Yes,
Sunday Sunday evening.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Oh, he got the sweetheart and then Donald Trump gave
a Costa who gave him the Sweetheart deal a job
in his administration. The guy that gave Jeffrey Epstein, who
he wasn't talking to. None of it makes sense, None
of it adds up. It all looks like Trump is
covering for something and rewarding people who helped him cover

(52:51):
for something.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Absolutely, did you know in that Sweetheart deal it said
that he could And this is what Gilaine Maxwell and
I will. Last week we talked about how it's definitely Gullane.
Apparently it's Glen.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Is it really Glenn? But with a hard guh Glenn.
There's no Lane, there's no Lane. Everyone is saying her
name wrong. Is that I'm just.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Sudding you know that apparently the apps I still say
Glaine because everyone is saying Glaine. Now it was you know,
Giselaine and Gulaine, but apparently it is in her native
land of Britain, and her family members call her Gallen
Glenn Maxwell.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
It's a weird old English or Irish name or something.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
But so in that deal that alex Acosta, Trump's labor
secretary for some reason given that job, says that they
can't go after her his co conspirators. And that is
because they made that deal with Jeffrey Epstein to not
go after his co conspirators. That is why Glenn Maxwell

(53:59):
is trying to get it in front of the Supreme
Court to have it dismissed because of an arrangement that
she made with the federal government saying that they wouldn't
go after the co conspirators. Now, Glenn Maxwell was certainly
one of the co conspirators. But who's ever heard of
this deal? Hey, it's a sex ring. We got one guy.
He's gonna serve three weeks in prison, but he gets

(54:21):
to get out, you know, twelve hours a day or
whatever the fuck this deal was. And we'll never and
that's all we want to know. We don't care who
else was involved, what what?

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Yeah, especially considering they hit old p Diddy with a
Rico case, you know what I mean, a Rico case
by himself, as Dave Chappelle put and like, so you
got to figure if they're willing to hit a celebrity. Essentially,
he was doing a lot of horrible shit with something
like that. This man was doing far more horrendous, terrible
shit at a different level because he had quite a

(54:54):
lot of money and definitely had international co conspirators. They're
not going to hit him with and we don't want
to know who they are. Yeah, we're like, nah, you.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Know what enough said, it's a terrible thing. We don't
want to know. I just I don't want to hear
about it. It's so terrible. Maybe that's what it was.
It's just such a terrible crime. We don't wanna we
don't want to hear about it. We don't want people
to hear about it. It'll keep kids up at night
if they have to hear about the co conspirators. So
let's just say enough's enough, let it go.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Yeah, that's because it just Cops historically always catch guys
with lots of cocaine in the back of their car
and they go, we don't want to know where you
got it. We don't want to know who else sells it.
We got you, bitch.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Yeah, because that's how law enforcement works.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Yeah, this thing stinks.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
To high fucking hell. And I'm gonna make my my
my weekly prediction right here and now Glenn Maxwell testifies amazingly.
And by the way, let me just get the timeline right,
because the timeline is bizarre.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Yeah, the Justice Department.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
And I would say Pam Bondy, but as I told you,
the memo that she really that was released from the
Justice Department was unsigned. No one wanted to put their
name on it. YEP said, there's no Epstein list and
the cases closed. There will be no more information coming
out about this ever. Goodbye.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yeah, sincerely, no one.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Sincerely, no one. But they released that issue and then
weeks later they send Donald Trump's personal defense attorney, who
is now the Attorney General, Todd Blanche, to me, whether
an interviewer, you closed the case and then you went
and interviewed the co conspirator. Yeah, what that's a little off. Oh,

(56:45):
he didn't want to know what she knows and who
she knows. You wanted to say, if you come out
and say Donald Trump had nothing to do with it. Yeah.
Sure he was around at the time, because you can't
pretend he wasn't there. He was always in the other room.
We have nothing to do with it. Yeah yeah, And
then on Donald Trump's last day in office, you get

(57:07):
a full pardon. It's got to be the deal. Got
to be the deal. That is my prediction. I hate
that it won't come true until twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
But and I guarantee you, yeah, well twenty nine, if
such a day ever comes, Michael, Yeah, And I think
they're gonna more recently, more than likely get her to
say out specifically democratic people who Democrats who had ties

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to Epstein, like you know, Bill Clinton, stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
No way, I just don't think so, because that makes
people scream, release that goddamn file.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Now.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
If she just comes out and says, look, Donald Trump
had nothing to do with it, then they can say, okay,
case closed and kind of make people forget about the
actual file that everyone wants to see. She said it,
what No, what more do you need? She said what
she had to say. It's over, and people go and
and then Trump's base goes, Okay, maybe we don't need
to see the file. The second you say Bill Clinton yeah,

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and then let's say then people say, okay, let's charge him,
let's charge Bill Clinton. Then you got to break out
the file.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Right. I do think you may be assuming they're smart
enough to cover this up properly, which is what they're
trying to do. And you know they like jingly keys
because you know that their base loves a good shiny distraction.
So they may be too stupid to think as logically
as you just thought about covering this up, and so

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I might disagree with you. They may still go after
Clinton and realize they fucked up, because that's what I mean.
Listen at some point, like there are people behind the
scenes actually trying to fucking cover this thing up and
do it in a very governmentee conspiratorial kind of way.
But Trump is an angry little baby man who every
now and again will scream orders and they have no
choice but to do it, and he throws a monkey

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wrench in their plans constantly. You can watch what they
say on the press. You know, I don't know, but
Bill Clinton.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Let's say Bill Clinton goes to trial, they got to
break out the file, and then Bill Clinton gets on
the stand and goes.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Oh, yeah, I did do it.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
But Donald Trump was right there with.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Me solid Bill.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
By the way, I was about to gell into more
detail in Donald in Bill Clinton's testimony and held back.
Don't say that. Don't don't actually say yeah, right, know
when to say when?

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Yeah, you might be right then because I mean, but
I mean, I would say they would probably out him
by name with no intention to go to trial, which
the thing they could try to do as again a
dangly distraction, because you're right, the moment they go to trial.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
They're fucked, right, or the moment they go into discovery, they're.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Fucked Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
So so then what they call it Bill Clinton by name?
Then Donald Trump has no choice but to say, I
and Bill Clinton before the trial even starts, for the
good of the nation, former president, I'm pardoning him. And
then his base goes, no.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Yeah, you're right, pardon Bill Clinton, like yeah, no, fucking
way strung up. Oh yeah, he's the number one person
they've been wanting to go after anyway. But you're right,
they may they may just try to bury it. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
I say it's a buried situation. She comes out, she
comes before Congress because they're subpoena subpoena, subpoena eying her now,
and I don't give a rat sad. By the way,
did you know that one of the things she's charged
with and convicted of is perjury.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Yeah, that's one of the biggest charges, right, bigger than
she's a liar.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
She was convicted of lying. Why do we care what
this convicted liar has to say?

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I believe the number
one reason whenever I say to a Maga relative that
Michael Cohen, Donald Trump's fixer lawyer for twenty years, said
this or said that, they go Michael coe When the
convicted perjurer who admitted, he was like, yeah, here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
So whatever Gulan has to say, I don't give a
rats ass.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
I mean, obviously it's well, of course it's going to
be a lie so she can secure herself a pardon.
I mean, the things that she's done, I think lying
is the lowest on the list of bad things she's
capable of, especially lying in an official congressional capacity. So
of course she'll say whatever the fuck, she'll dance, she'll
do whatever they want to get a pardon. At this point,

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at first.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Yeah, it seems like such a giant clean of worms
swea because and now I'm thinking, let's say she does
do that, and then the pressure or the heat, I
would imagine there's gotta be Joe Rogan or some Trump
supporter out there that's not so stupid to go yees
still want to see the files.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Still on his podcast, I saw a clip because I
don't watch Ruggan anymore. I saw a clip where he
said at Epstein was the line in the sand, which
I'm like, yeah, kind of weird that this is where
you're drawing it. I think there's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
So then let's say that the files do get it
have to come out. They're subpoena enough Republicans vote with
the Democrats or whatever, and the Senate gets the files,
and then it's clear that Donald Trump not only is implicated,
but Gallaine Maxwell knew it. That that information seems like

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that could easily be in there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Then she's double fucked, I mean double burgery. Yeah, yeah,
I just don't know it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Honestly, the best thing to do is say, my cankles
are killing me. I am resigning from President of the
United States of America. And JD. Vance comes in and
says Donald Trump is pardon for any and all crimes
he may or may not have committed. Don't even want
to see, don't want to even look, and they're trying

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to get her away.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Like I think they are setting up for that. I
think internally they are. I don't think Trump is obviously
aware of it. I do. I don't think. Do you
think a man with an ego that big, who's gotten
everything he's ever wanted, basically been bailed out of every
situation he's ever been in, good and bad by both
his mommy, daddy, and tons of other people. I don't

(01:03:21):
think he could ever step down. I think he would.
He would think that was weak. And I think they
I think he'd have to die in office before he
stepped down because I think he's one of those people.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I think they could cankle him out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
I mean, I'm sure they could force him out for sure,
But I mean, dude, he's not the type to I
don't think he's got the brain. He's like, he almost
has honesty Tourett's even though he's a liar, which is
such a strange thing because like lately he's just been
like saying things he shouldn't be saying. In interviews, and
I don't believe he could follow, you know, a script
to get out and be like, oh, I have to

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get out to save my own ass. Like I just
don't think he could do it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Okay, here's the new plan, here's the new prediction. If
they're gonna go this route, this covers all bases. Donald
Trump pardons Gallaine on his way out, vance comes in,
pardons Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
There. Yeah, I mean that would so is it a
final goodbye fuck you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I mean, just buys her silence. Who knows what's in
the files, but maybe her testimony would be the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
It's such a freaking mess. It's such a freaking mess
of their own making, of their own making.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Well, we also don't know the extent of who else
is in these I mean, clearly the right wing is
also fighting pretty aggressively to keep this hush hush. I know,
the base and the conspiracy people they were appealing to
were pushing for the files to be released, but there's
a lot more, you know, corporate interest on the rights
that does not want these files to come out obviously,

(01:04:58):
So like you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Ever's in there, string him up, lock him up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
I'll send him to an island, but just men.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Yeah, that's their that's their punishment.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
You all have to go live on Epstein Island. Yeah,
no running water, but we've shut off all everything, no
running water, no electricity, and we film it alone. That's
the reality show that I want, not this that god
they were talking about, Uh could be.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
The last one standing gets a pardon, Yeah exactly, and
you can kill each other.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Yeah, we actually encourage you to kill each other.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Well, last man standing gets a pardon by any means necessary.
Hit him with a coconut. I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Yeah, yeah, I'm for that. I'll be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
That's that's Epstein Island, the reality show where Donald Trump,
Bill Clinton, and god know who knows who else get
left out an island in the last man Standing, no rules,
last man gets a pardon.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Oh man. See now that's a that's like an optimistic
sci fi type future. Most sci fi futures are like
corporations have taken over. They're making working class and poor
people fight in reality shows. Let's just let's just grab
this bull and spin it around. All right, let's just
turn the table. No working class people insist. These rich
fucking petos fight to the death on an Island. I

(01:06:34):
like it, like it, Oh man, that would be all.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Right, final piece of news. I uh, because we're getting
up there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
One six, Kamala Harris announced she is not going to
run for governor of California. People think that is because
she is getting ready to run for president again. I
just want to know, idea, bad idea. I don't know.
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
I think bad idea. I think once you lose to Trump,
you gotta just hang up the hat. I mean, Hillary
kept trying to come back into the news cycle intermittently
and everyone went no, kind of shamed her away, which
I thought was appropriate because like, yeah, especially being the
first person to lose to Trump Wolf that was embarrassing.

(01:07:27):
And now that now that Kama has lost to Trump
through I don't know, I don't know how much fault
of it was, it was hers. I do think making
the decision to go more centrist. I know we've talked
about this before and to hang out with you know,
Dick Cheney's daughter, Uh was a insane thing to do
and a mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Yeah, they really thought they could peel off those Republican women.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
But no, wrong, no, those there's so many Republican women
out there a strong percentage like the tradwife movement, not
even people that extreme who are ride or die Republicans.
And it really it's not like a you know, patriarchy thing.
It's just they they live in the Midwest, a place

(01:08:10):
like where I'm from, and everyone in the town is Republican,
So they are Republican and they always will be like
they don't really and they're also not getting the information.
Like that's a hell of an echo chamber a small
town in Ohio, you know those places. When I go
back and visit and I talk to those people and
the hittings I hear. Some of the most outspoken people

(01:08:31):
in my small hometown are the women from my small,
small hometown.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
And that's just because they're just live in like the
little bubble and they're not gonna they're not gonna change.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Yeah, hell hath no fury like uh, maga wife scorned.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Yeah you get those box blonde ladies pissed off. We'll
after you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Well that said, all right, surgery time for me, hopefully
this time for real.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Yep, good luck, I hope you hope you can see
better next week. How long is your what's your heel time?

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
By the way, well, hopefully it's quick because Michael Rigillio
as a policy of never saying no to a show,
and a local club texted me yesterday and was like,
had a last minute drop off on Saturday night? Do
you want a headline? And I said yes, oh no,
like that's like twenty eight hours after I having a

(01:09:27):
surgery of my eye. But I won't be driving there,
but hopefully just walking onto the stage won't kill me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
But I beg of you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
I'll be on stage Saturday night, so hopefully it's not
too bad.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
If you don't wear a pirate eye patch, I'll be
disappointed in you. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
I might just have to wear the pirate eye patch.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Yeah, perfect opportunity, like a perfect opportunity to wear an
eye patch.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Yeah, but I'm legally blind in the other eye, so
it's just the Oh, I'm literally gonna be like doing
crowd work. Like, yes, you the bluish blob over there?
What are you saying? Are you a man or a woman?

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Not?

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Because you're ugly? I don't see any definition you are
talking blob right now?

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
This isn't a pronouns thing. I can't see you. Yeah, well, hey,
all right, we'll tell people where they can find you.
You find me at Cliburne Comedy on just about everything.
Check me out. I'll be posting some clips so you
can see our faces from this show on my tiki talk. Yeah.

(01:10:32):
That's about it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Yeah, And to anyone that enjoyed the conversation I had
with Brittany this week, it was an excellent conversation. I
have just secured an interview with Jenny Gage. She is
another super smart person that got out of the Mormon

(01:10:54):
cult and out of the right wing cult, and it's
going to be a great interview as well for that
episode next week. And until then, I will see all
of you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Good day, Stay safe out there.