#827 - Cops Behaving Badly

"Can you get a DUI on a bike? Yes, I've done it!" Jeremiah Watkins & Daniel De Leon join David in studio for some Serious Circus.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What if he points a gun at me and says
he's got a gun, he's got a gun, and then
starts firing and then goes, oh, it was a phone.
It's terrifying. So what do you have to say for yourself?

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Is it true you can get a dui on a bicycle.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Yes, I've done it. I'm not.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
I've literally folded laundry in a BMW trunk.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
You're also not a sane person. You're a comedian.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
This is true. I don't agree with any of this.
You're good. We're doing it. We're doing a podcasting. We
have former la PD officer Daniel Dalleon in studio. Thanks
for coming, man, Thank you for having me. I appreciate you.
This is gonna be a fun one because we're gonna
be responding and reacting to some cops I think behaving

(00:43):
badly in my opinion. So we'll see how much you're
willing to justify this nonsense that they do it. And
then one of my favorite comics, Jeremiah Watkins, Hello, how
are you dude? You're great, man. I mean, we we've
almost done things a few times together, and there's always
been a scheduling, snack scheduling errors, either we plan a

(01:04):
show when something happens or yeah, or you're too big
and important to come on my show that.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'm live hearing in the flash, Baby, I'm here.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
You are man Here Comedy special Daddy Fantastic on YouTube.
And then you have a stand up on the spot
that you're doing. Tell us about that. I want people
to know about that before we get out.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
So we just celebrated this month fifteen years of me
doing the show around Los Angeles, and comedians go up
with no prepared material, ask the audience for suggestions that
yelsa fout and he has a great stand up on
the spot based off of those audience suggestions.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
So that's great.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's the ultimate thrill ride of a comedy show. You
never know how good or bad it's going to be,
but it's always very good because it's very impressive to
see comics tackle topics in real time and make it
funny in real time.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
It's it's fun that the audience knows that that's what
the deal is.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, they're in on it.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah they're on it.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
They're they're supportive, Like I'm making a goal before I
leave the stage, I do always do an example set
at the top of the show to make sure everybody's
on board with it. Yeah, exactly, and that they are
like going to be supportive for the rest of the
comics for the show, because if you don't buy into
the concept, like it's too hard, Like it's literally the
hardest show in comedy. So it's like I got to
set the plate and be like, all right, everybody on board,

(02:17):
let's do this because this is hard, but it can
be really really fun. And then you see Comedian's Great
Golden and it's really fun.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
There's been a lot of people to try to replicate
that that, but you know, yours is obviously the og.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
I think it's oh yeah, many around for a long time,
many imitations.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
So are you pulling topics out of a bucket? Is
it a random generated.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
To the audience suggestions. It's like an old school improv show.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Dude, I love that.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, So you you everybody's hearing the suggestion, so it's
not like you're looking and you can fish around in
the bucket and you kind of decide people are hearing,
and then you decide as the comic, it's to choose
your own adventure of like weather, which topic you're taking
because sometimes you know, people are will yell out dumb
stuff where you're like, I don't want to try to
riff on nail beads or something like that, right, you know,

(03:05):
like yeah, that's you know, there's stuff like that where
you're like, I don't want to try to create a
joke out of this, but like I'll, you know, do
something else.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
What are your thoughts, because I've done shows like that
in the past and I love them. By the way,
the real reason I had you on here is just
to try to get on the show. Nice. But I've
done shows like that, and I see what happens sometimes,
is they because we all see each other's material a
million times because they're always doing shows together. I'll see
a topic get thrown out and then I'll see a
comic go into their material. The cheat. It's a cheat.

(03:34):
So I there was. I was in a competition one
time and I had a whole bit. I probably had
a ten minute bit about religion and God and violence,
and it was like towing the line of edginess, and
someone they pulled it out of a bucket and it
just so happened to be they were like God and
violence and I had this crisis of conscience on stage
and I was like, I can't do it. I said,

(03:56):
you know what, can I just get another topic because
I have way too much material in that and then
they they pull that's.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
The respectable thing to do. But I've seen, you know,
some people over the years, they slide right into the
material and people think that they're genius. I'm like, do
you call them out for it after the show? I
don't call himut in real No, like.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
I've seen you do that bit for three years.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
No, no, no, no, because like I I will talk
to him after the show and I'm like, what do
you want to do? Like we shoot, we shoot the
show for my YouTube. So I'm like, like, I know
that's your material, so like, what are what are we
doing here? And they're usually cut that barn out because
that's been my act and they just chop around.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
I'm like, yeah, okay, that's great, man, that's great, such
a cool thing. Still doing at the Comedy Store.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
YEP, and then we take it out to New York
often and a bunch of different fests around the country.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
So if there are comics out there who would like
to be on is there a submission process?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Do they there is no submission process.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Do you just have to see Jeremiah?

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I have to see you. Oh, there's no booker. It's me.
I put people on the show that I think would
do the show well and that I like personally. And
the I've seen when people are like, you got to
come see me, I'm like, yeah, when you're on a
show with me, right and I happen to see you.
That's how it organically happens. But I'm not going out
of my way to You're not scouting. I'm not a producer.

(05:12):
I'm I'm comedian first, and then I happen to have
a good show.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Then It's really hard to do that. I've produced shows
for about six years in LA and I never have
amazing sets on shows I produce because I'm in work mode.
I'm in I'm a project manager. I'm balancing all the nonsense,
people showing up late, someone being you know, drunk and erratic,
you know what I mean, Like the sound not working,
whatever's going on in the club is a problem. I

(05:38):
feel like I'm managing that. It's like, oh, you got
to go on stage and host again.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
A lot of it is and it can.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Take like I love it when I can just show
up and be the comic and be the funny guy.
It's really hard to produce a show and be funny.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I mean that's a luxury, you know, when you get
to I mean that's why everybody wants to, you know,
be in TV shows and movies. You get to show
up and just do the thing and not have to
worry about all the cans with the script writing that
goes into it, and the producing and shooting and the
budgets and all that stuff. So yeah, I mean it's
it's ideal for sure to show up and just do
the spot and kill and then leave and everybody love you. Right,

(06:12):
that's nice ideal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
I will say you were one of the first comics
I saw when I moved to.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
LA really leave it a year.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
What year is this twenty right at the end of
twenty sixteen, he'd be beginning of twenty seventeen. I started
in DC and a little bit in Dallas, and then
really started taking it seriously when I got here almost
what almost like what nine years ago? But so I

(06:42):
saw Jeff Ross first, I think it was Dean del
Rey and then Jeff Ross in the main room and
then I went to the or and you had just
taken the stage.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
I sat down.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
You did this whole bit. I don't know if this
is in your special I don't remember. I know I've
seen you do it like forty times. You do this
whole bit about your nose where you were turning. You
were like turning and going like this, talking about your
nose and the whole things.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Know, yeah, yeah, the joke is that I can't sixty
nine because my noses is that it ends up in
the buttle every single time.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
But there's a whole act out where you turn. Yeah,
of course you go like this and you're like you're
describing the ball. So you do this whole thing and
I don't know if you remember this, but you do
the whole bit, and it's what three minutes maybe four minutes.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Oh, it's it's about a ninety second jokes. Oh really, yeah,
short joke.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Maybe so maybe you had done a little lead up
because it maybe you riffed on it. But here's what happened.
Right as you were finishing, I think a couple walks
in and sits in the front row. They had left
to go to the bathroom, and you were like oh,
you just missed the greatest joke. And they're like and
then everybody started chating. It's like should I should I

(07:54):
show you again? And everybody's cheering. That's something you never
really do in colmedy. You just tell the same joke twice. Yeah,
you did it literally word for word, and it made
it so much better than I could have ever imagined.
You literally did the same thing. You turned, you did
the thing, and everybody was dying again, like even because

(08:15):
now they're hearing it for the first time, but we
just saw it and now it's happening word for word,
mannerism for mannerism, and it was like I was just
starting out and I was like, damn. I was like
this dude, this dude's good.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
It was really cool because I you know, at the time,
I was so brand new. I would have thought, no,
just move on, you don't want to tell the same
joke again, everybody to hear it. But you did it,
accepted it, and then just it made it. I don't
know it was it was anytime I travel and I'm
like in these small towns or whatever and I'm doing
comedy and everybody's like, yeah, man, I'm thinking about moving

(08:47):
to LA but a really funny comic. And I'm like, listen,
let me just tell you the biggest difference. I get
to watch Kevin Hart practice. Whatever group you're in, you're
just looking at who's the best guy, and you're and
you're kind of you're kind of the the You're gonna
kind of be the average of all the people around you.
So I get to watch the greats practice, and it's

(09:09):
like going to like comedy university, just coming to the
clubs and watching guys make mistakes or something like that happens, so.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
How they handle a problem.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, dude, that has been monumental in helping me grow.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, that's a big part of it. Anybody who like
is wanting to actually become a better comic if they're
not actively watching comedy and surrounding themselves with it and
immersing themselves with it. I mean, I'm sure the same
way like when you're in the forest, like like if
you're not like fully immersed in what you're doing, Like,
how good are you actually going to be at your job?

Speaker 3 (09:42):
You have to live and breathe it.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. So these guys and I and
you know what, there's this Uh. Also, it's it's so
much harder to get on stage out here. The grind
is incredible, the competition is immense. It's, you know, comedy mecca,
this in New York. It's just crazy and it's kind
of a weird analogy. But what I tell these people
when they're like, you think, gouh, you moved to LA,

(10:04):
I go. Look. You ever played Street Fighter two on
Super Nintendo. There's a character named Blanca. He was always
my favorite when he beats you. When you're playing through
the game levels and he beats you, the little thing
would come up at the bottom of the screen and
it would say one or two things. One is like,
you call that fighting? That was a joke or something
like that. But the other thing that he says is

(10:26):
you wouldn't last a day in the jungle. That made
me a beast.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Oh that's a great quote.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
And I'm like, this is why comics that thrive in
LA or they get beat up here will go to Madison,
Wisconsin and murder they'll go to Jacksonville, Florida. And there's
just a different feel to that comic. There's a confidence level.
It's just call it arrogance. I don't know, but you're
just it just feels different. So yeah, man, that you

(10:54):
were one of my first lessons. I was like, oh dude,
he mastered. Oh so that was really cool man. Yeah,
funny stuff. Yeah yeah, all right, you ready to get
into this, man, Absolutely, I want to know what you think.
Talk a little bit about your experience. The old school
dogmativate listeners definitely know who you are. The new folks
come into serious circus may not explain a little bit

(11:15):
about you. You had how many years on the force LAPD?

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Eighteen years?

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Eighteen years and you made it to the rank of
you said P three, which was a field training officer
ft prs. So you were training the cops that were
coming out.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
One thing that people talk a lot of shit about
is that cops don't have to be in training for
very long. Like, man, it takes two years to go
to barber school and cut somebody's hair, but you can
be a cop in six months. How long is it
to be an LAPD officer?

Speaker 3 (11:39):
It varies agency at agency, but for us it's about
a six month academy and then when you passed the academy,
you're in a year long probationary evel and during that time,
you have a field training officer with you who's has
a book, this thick of stuff to check off the
show that you're profisient in it. And that's that's the
easiest peer to get fired is within that year, because

(12:02):
you've got to show like, hey, I can do all
these different things and learn it under a year, you know.
And there's a running joke within an our department is
that year you're considered a probationary officer. But there's a
joke in the department of like you finish your probation
at twenty years because it takes years to really get
good because some of it you can't learn in the classroom.

(12:22):
You have to go out there, right.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
But they have the gun and the power to arrest
like immediately, right. I mean the guy that's six months
had just got out of academy who's in your passenger
seat as an officer, he as as a training officer,
he can still arrest me, right. He's a sworn peace
officer with handcuffs and a gun. So I think that's
that's the scary part for general society, is there's this
window where guys really don't know what they're doing and

(12:46):
oftentimes don't know the law as we're going to see,
you know, and you've talked about the auditors. You're like, guys,
just walk away, like you're making us look bad. You know,
when the guy walks up talks shit to the guy
on camera and they're like, give me your ID and
they start demanding get your You can't do that, yeah,
you know, so they end up kind of I mean,
it's bad enough when you work at a regular job
and the CEO's son becomes some kind of vice president

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and he's like bossing you around and you've been there
twelve years and you're like, this kid has no idea
what he was going on. But do you give that
kid a gun and the power to detain you and
restrict your freedom. It's a whole different ballgame.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
You know.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
It is like your probationary period. It's like a parent
child relationship kind of. Wow, you're like the parent for
this new little officer that's sent out there, and basically
the first few months they're just your guard dog. They
just stand there and like just watch and try to
absorb as much as they can. You tell them to
do this, do that.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Feel free to ask me questions too, Jeremi, if you're
curious about any of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
I mean, I would be curious if the world of
TikTok has made being a police officer more difficult. Do
you know what I'm referencing. I'm referencing all the people
who are doing the selfies, who are kind of questioning
police officers and they're rights and filming everything now versus

(14:03):
like back in the day. There weren't cell phones. There
weren't like the dash cams and stuff. And it feels
like a lot of the TikTok videos that I see
that go viral, they are being pretty aggressive towards the cops,
like back, because there there is that arrogance of like,
I know my rights, I'm gonna tell you like it is.
But I would think that there's got to be a

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good majority of people who actually don't really know what
the laws are, that they might have seen another TikTok
video and they think that they can be cocky as well.
So I was always curious about that, like, if it's
been made a more difficult job because of social media.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, because you have people out there that want to
make a name for themselves or kind of just poke
the bear and hopefully like, oh, maybe this office will
do something to me and I get them just to
go a little bit over the edge and then you know,
I get all this attention. Or maybe when a lawsuit
or anything with like with a lot of the udditors
is a good example. I always welcome being recorded. My

(15:00):
first thing I'd say is like, just do me a
huge favor and get my good side, you know, my
left side, that's my good side. And I'm mean, you can
court all you want, man, Like, I don't care. I
always carry a tape recorder with me because you never
know who you're gonna do out there and what they'll
say later. But yeah, especially with social media, there's been
it's it's something people really like to watch and get
involved in. So that motivates people to go out there

(15:22):
and film police and getting involved in everything and playing
St Street lawyer and everything. But you have to roll
with it, you know, let.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Me play Tiktoker's advocate for a second. You're right, they
will go out and aggressively yell insults at cops and
talk shit to them to try to bait them into
breaking the law or violating their rights. But it didn't
start that way. You know, it started with cops violating

(15:52):
people's rights and lying to them about what the truth
is about what the law is.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
So a cop would be in the middle of arresting
someone and then being violent and beating them up a
little bit, and then somebody across the street would be
filming and the cop would be like, I don't give
you permission to film me. Turn your camera off, and
you're like, no, dude, I'm holding you accountable, and they
start walking. I gave you a lawful command, put your
hands behind your back, give me your ID. I don't
have to do. And then we see that person get
slammed to the ground and arrested. And then the only

(16:17):
consequence later is he's let go with no charges but
detaining his you know, actually detaining the guy, putting the
guy in jail. He may lose his job or whatever,
doesn't go to work for a few days. That's never addressed,
and the cop isn't held accountable. Sometimes, so what would
happen is the auditors are like, well, since I do
know my rights and I know what you're not, I'm
not allowed to do. I'm gonna intentionally provoke you to

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see how you will react when you're pissed off. Are
you gonna violate my rights? And they're kind of using
themselves as bait for public education purposes. And sometimes they
do get beat up and then they get a big
ass lawsuit from the police department and they literally do
that for their job. And I think it's been pretty
cool because I think cops have learned more than anybody

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else have from it. Cops are like, oh, he's allowed
to do it, but it's video. We don't have any
I think we have one auditor video in here, but
most of them are maybe there's two, but most of
them are are people who have been had those interactions
in the past, and they say, I'm doing this for
you know, public education purposes. So because cops started violating

(17:23):
people's rights, then they started going, at least I can
provoke you. So but yeah, you're right, I mean, they're
they're definitely assholes to them, but they do it on purpose.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
I mean there's, you know, both sides of the coin, obviously.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, yeah, of course. All right, let's get to the
first video. You ready, Danny? All right, We're gonna play
the first video. I think it's pretty short.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
The video I hadn't seen it yet. I couldn't load
it on the drop box. Oh I sent this to you, okay,
the first one you sent me. I watched that.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Oh oh no, no, no, that's only one little six
minute clip of today. The rest of them are all
going to be new to you then. Yeah, I was
trying to throw your bone. I send in the video
in advance in case he won, just.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Like I'm there and all value do like you're there,
let's go.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Oh, hi bro?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (18:05):
What? Let's you just go awhare?

Speaker 4 (18:07):
What's the one word I got?

Speaker 2 (18:08):
I got you on camera?

Speaker 6 (18:09):
Bro?

Speaker 7 (18:10):
I got Trump camera, We're all job.

Speaker 8 (18:13):
Hey, well you just do that idea here?

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Keep back that up. I want to watch that one again.
If you notice the cops eyes are blocked by the
part of the door, so he doesn't see that. He's
he doesn't see that the guy's recording. Watch, Hi, bro,
what's that?

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Lets you just go ahead? What's the one word I got?

Speaker 1 (18:35):
I got you on comer?

Speaker 9 (18:35):
Bro?

Speaker 4 (18:36):
I got Trump camera, We're all job.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Hey?

Speaker 8 (18:40):
Well you just do that idea here?

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (18:42):
See, so says in insane.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
So for me, think of all the times there was
not a camera going think of all the times sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties,
two thousand, two thousand and two, people weren't walking around
with phones in their pockets that had cameras on them.
I mean all the years people were popped for stuff
like that. And now if that were me, if I'm
the guy filming, I'm now I filmed him, But I'm

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going what if he takes my phone? What if he
beats my ass? What if he points a gun at
me and says he's got a gun, he's got a gun,
and then starts firing and then goes, oh, it was
a phone. Sorry, I thought he had a gun pointed
at me. He could just take your phone. What if
he deletes it and then goes and deletes it from
the trash. It's terrifying. So what do you have to

(19:28):
say for yourself?

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Yeah, I you know, I think about situations like that,
and it always bringing me back to a story when
before I got on the department, I was a bodyguard.
I worked for Gavin de Becker and Associates. They do
executive protection for CEOs and celebrities. And now my first client,
well signed with Bob Iger of Disney. Oh and when
he was offsite. We covered him when he was on site.
Like work, Disney had their own security, and one day

(19:53):
the Disney security wanted to come to his house where
we actually had a room covering him, and they started
asked his questions and it's one way in, one way
out in room and the security guard's like or they're
his security is like, so if you open this door
and someone shot you in the face, what would you do?
I said, I'd probably die. In their situations like, hey,
what if a cop comes up to you? It's just like,

(20:16):
I don't have an answer for that. Wow, you know,
thankfully in the time of cameras and I looked into this.
I remember looking in the story a while ago. He
got busted for that and multiple other people, and I
think a lot of his cases were you know, that
he was involved in were dismissed because of that. And
it's I can't think of the mindset of why you
would do that.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
How does some planting evidence as a cop? How does
that benefit?

Speaker 3 (20:40):
I seriously have no idea whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Is there a certain quota that is ever, like, I
know not with an r agency, but there's other agencies
where maybe he I'm trying to think outside the box
and maybe he wants the extra court time, oh weird, an.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Overtime or I don't know. Some cops are just dirty
period in their criminals.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Just well, would you not say that a cop who
has a lot of criminal drug busts would be considered
a pretty good candidate for say, detective, Yeah, it could be,
but versus a guy who just gives a bunch of
warnings and has citizen contact but doesn't really arrest a
lot of people. And then you have this other guy

(21:20):
who's got nine drug busts a month, You're like, wow,
he's really out there kicking ass.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
And then if they're both up for a detective, I mean,
you're gonna take the guy who's out there with making
results right right?

Speaker 3 (21:30):
And I think that would be an agency, our agency
because with LAPD and none of that matters. It's how
good you interview and how many years you have on I.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Mean, they don't even look at what you They don't
look at your They look at.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Your complaint record and what you've worked, but they don't
look at they don't look at your rescap of like
how many citations did he get? That that may apply
for if you're a patrol officer trying to get a
field training officer because that's promotion within your station. I see,
but small agencies that could be the deal. I have
no idea of smaller agencies. It's like, you mess up once,
you're never promoting again.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
I know.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
I've seen documentaries on you know, like DA's that reopen
cases and go after people and plant evidence on someone
and frame someone to close out a cold case because
they're going to be running for some office or their
elections coming up, or you know, something like that.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
So I just don't get it. I can't even like.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
It looks like it's kind of a tough on crime illusion,
you know, A.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yeah, when politics get involved in, anything's possible.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Unfortunately, all right, let's do the next video.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
Daddy, stop respectating.

Speaker 7 (22:38):
I'm being.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
So.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
I don't know why people post videos on the internet
with captions and have the don't check the captions. None
of the captions are right. He didn't say I've decided this.
He said I need your ide please, but it says
I've decided this, and so just ignore the captions. Essentially,
what's happening, Danny feel if you'll rewind this, what's happening here?
Is there's a car show and at the end of

(23:05):
the car show there they do the burnouts. Right as
they're leaving the car show, they're all taking off of
burning out. This guy was there filming and he's being
told that spectating is a crime. It's actually a moving violation.
You're not allowed to be spectating. And I think they're
doing this and we can watch the video, but I

(23:25):
think the point of this is they are they can't
catch the people in the Ferraris and the Mustangs and
the you know, the Hemi Challengers that are hauling ass
and plus there's like forty of them, so what are
you gonna do? So to try to stop them from
doing it, they're thinking, we'll just arrest the people who
are standing there that we can easily grab to persuade

(23:49):
people to not show up, so that if nobody's there,
the cars won't feel the need to show off. And
so it's it's to me, it's such an overreach of
free him, but that's what's happening. He's basically about to
be arrested him and then and then he threatens him
that if he doesn't give his ID, he's going to
be arrested.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
Okay, any kinds of shriffs off, just mean stop respectating,
racing and burning out these.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
I'm being what you're being detained and needs your driver
sizings please for citing perspectating on racing and rning.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Now who says i'll expectator?

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah? View on video?

Speaker 5 (24:23):
So I need your license.

Speaker 8 (24:24):
So it's a legal to watch, yes, sir, it's a
living violation.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
It's a moving violation. Yes, there's your license.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Okay. And so you're telling me it's.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
I'm not going to ask you a gin, sir. I
understand you can record. I'm recording as well. I know
your license plaice and then we can discuss further.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
So you're telling me that if I do not give
you my license drilling on a seven fe rest, yes, sir?

Speaker 7 (24:45):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
And what's that tune?

Speaker 9 (24:49):
Is that?

Speaker 5 (24:50):
I looked up the exact statue. It's undefeadive arrests. I
will provide my information, thanks, sir.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
What's your name and badge number?

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Deffie kalmis idea two zero one is your address? Ye?

Speaker 4 (25:09):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (25:09):
That's it? What is it?

Speaker 4 (25:11):
You have the idea? They're master perner dressing. It's whatever's there.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Anyway, so he ends up getting a citation for Well,
can you get a citation for that? Apparently it's some
kind of code in that city or ordinance.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
It is like an actual I mean, that's my.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Question for you is have you heard anything like that?
They said that it's it's a it's a it's a
moving violation to stand still on a corner and watch
people burn out. I just think that's an overreach and
a I think it's a violation of our rights. But
I'm curious. I understand why. Like I said before, when

(25:55):
I played before we played the clip, I get it.
They can't chase down all the cars. Maybe this is
a way to like scatter the crowds. But you know,
people that are just showing up to a car show.
They're not showing up to a race, by the way,
a street race. They're showing up to a car show.
And then as these cars are leaving, they do a
little burnout, and then they're all pulling out onto the
main street and they're like watching the cars peel out.

(26:17):
But because they're watching, they get a ticket. Have you
ever heard of anything like this?

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah, I took training in street racing early in my career,
and street racing is not what it used to be.
It was a huge problem from like early two thousands
up until like the time I got on by the
Way and that problem and a lot of it came
from the deaths they were involved, so there was a
lot of political neighborhood pushback on that and street racing

(26:44):
down streets and whatnot. So, yeah, there are sections that
if you're spectating partaking, Now, did he cross the line?
I don't know. I'm gonna assume this is California, just okay, okay,
it was just hypothetically that would be a violation. I
I don't know the area or what kind of problems
there would I enforce that, probably not approaly to like, hey,

(27:04):
you guys need to go get out of here, and
if they didn't, then its citation. Moving violation doesn't necessarily mean,
again California, that you're moving. Moving violation is a kind
of a term where it's a point on your driving
record kind of violation, so believe it or not, Like
violating certain signs is a moving violation even though it's

(27:25):
like don't turn here or speedings of violation.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
But jwalking and moving violation no, okay.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, it's it's really weird. I think in LA there's
no more jaywalking. In California, it's like it's not enforced.
Yeah they did. There was some kind of overturning of that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's not enforcing more as far as I know. Yeah. Now,
the ID thing in calif there's only twenty is states
where if you're detained for regional suspicion, very low standard,
you have to present some kind of ID. It's that
state's law. California's not one of them. So if this

(28:03):
was California and so he detained for something that's not
traffic related, you wouldn't have necessarily provide an ID.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Well, but he was. He was suspected of committing a crime.
He just didn't know what the crime.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Was, right, and it's technically a traffic violation. Now, could
he be cited for not presenting a driver's license? No,
it had to It would just have to be an ID.
I've ran into this problem before, like someone jwats you
don't have to give a driver's like you have to
some some kind of form I D okay, yeah, picture
I D picture D yeah ok yeah. And advice it

(28:37):
is not legal, just a cops advice. You hand the
copy I D and they say what is your address?
And you go, well it's right there. That starts ringing
alarm bells in her head like is this even a
real id? Yeah, because I've had people pull.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Out on me many times, you know, I mean yeah,
But at that point he feels like he's already being
like his freedom's being restricted unfairly. So then you start
getting into questions like am I legally required to assist
you in your investigation? Well, no, do your fucking job
the IDs on the license. I'm not gonna participate in

(29:13):
you abusing your power. I'm not gonna participate in you
bullying me. So every little thing I can hold on too,
I'm gonna hold on. So just like when people don't
want to be arrested, so they just go dead weight
and you're just like dragging people across the it's childish,
but they're they're trying psychologically, they're just trying to hold
on to some form of control that they have, and
that's probably what that was. I don't want to answer

(29:35):
your questions, even if your question is what's your address?
I just gave you my address. I'm not gonna participate
in you bullying me, Yeah, but I understand it's gonna
piss the cop off.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah it is. It's gonna extend the length of your sure.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Sure, And if that was me, I probably would have
just said it, but I understand why he did.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Oh yeah, yeah, And he's probably like, what I can
get in trouble for this, And it's like he's probably
how you want to spend your Unless there's some kind
of detail street racing detail, then it's like, yeah, they're
gonna get you.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
And then he asks him, he's like, do you have
the coat, Like, what's the what's the pedal coat on that?
And he's like, I'll pull it up for you in
a minute. I'll get you the actual.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, if you're w reguling enforcing, you should know the
vehicle code for something like that.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
That's so, what do you think, man? Do you think
this is fair? I mean, it's kind of a good
I understand what they're trying to do, But what are
your thoughts on it?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
I mean, I don't think it's fair for somebody just watching,
But I also don't know if like there's random laws
that sometimes in cities that were unaware of you know
what I mean? Yeah, you know that's that's you know,
I think it sucks. And and if he if you
just feel like if you were just like standing there
watching like somebody peel out and you're filming it with

(30:41):
your phone and then you get a ticket for that,
I think that sucks.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah, but apparently that's the case.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
I mean, that's in my personal opinion. Unless they're like
a detail for that, that's chicken shit, dude, Like find
some bigger fish then.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
That that's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
There's like it was like a legite street racing. It's
late at night and crowded there.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
I can see that.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, I can see any of your brand that you're
trying to promote out there yet a merch table, then
maybe it's like okay, you might get a ticket or
something like that. Then then it's like you're trying to
promote the actual race, you.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Know, monetizing the activity. Sure, but this is so important
to point out there at a car show and they're
leaving the car show, so so then I wonder how
you could argue that in court, Like what if I'm
just walking out the same way the cars are driving.
I'm walking to my car. I couldn't park in the
park lite, I park at the Wendy's across the street

(31:31):
and I'm walking and then the car peels out and
I see them. Am I now violating because I looked
at a car? I mean, it just seems so ridiculous
to me.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah, I think you bring that video of the judge,
he's gonna be like, come on, man, you know, if
it's just like they're leaving, you film it and they
peel out and you're like, oh wow, that was crazy.
You know. That's the one thing.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Well, I think the cops, or at least the city
Ordinance's position is if no one's there to film it,
they're not going to do it. Well, shit, yes they are.
They spend the money on this fast car. I know
from experience they're gonna do it whether people are watching
or not.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
So I'd rather go after their guy exist exhibition of
speed peeling out, flying down the road. That's the person
he's gonna get someone killed, not the guy filming.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, you know, is it true you can get a
dui on a bicycle.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yes, I've done it. I'm not. I've wrested guys for
d A.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
It's like, no, I caught off and get a hand
back to work.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Actually is this the same thing with like now the
bird and Lime scooters and stuff like that, Like, because
people use those as transportation all the time. When they
get wasted after the like you know, last call at
a bar, they're on one of those electric scooters. Could
you potentially.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Probably could you might set a precedent case law with that.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Interesting because a lot of times the universe will just
make them eat it and then they fall off anyway.
But I'm, you know, just curious about that.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah. I know that when you get a d UI
and you have no motorized transportation restriction h that can
even include a writing lawnmower on your own property. WHOA
meaning if a cop drives by and happens to know
that you've had a DUI and that you have that

(33:16):
restriction in core as part of your probation, you cannot
drive a motorized vehicle. If they see you mowing your
own lawn completely sober at nine o'clock in the morning,
they can walk under your property and arrest you. I
had an argument with someone and I was saying, there's
no way that's legal, and they were like, I bet
you it is. And this person had more experience with

(33:38):
having a dui and I'd never had one, and they
were like, I'm telling you, man, once you do that, man,
you give up so much. And like, there's no way
they could stop you from driving a riding lawnmower sober
on your own land. And they're like, yeah, they will,
and so we went and looked it up and sure enough,
it's part of the it can be part of the restrictions.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
But I mean, I guess that's part of like when
you do commit certain crimes or fell on you or whatever,
you do have to forfeit certain rights where that's part
of you know, that's part of the payment process.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Is like exactly. It's just shocking to me that even
on your own property. I mean, yeah, that's where it's
like damn. It's that way with alcohol too, though, if
you're not allowed to drink and allowed to drink in
your in your bedroom.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
There's actual task forces that will stalk the habitual drunks
and like sit outside their house and like an unmarked
car and sometimes they'll like wait for their court date
to show up and see how they get to court,
and then snatch them up as they drive to court
when they're not supposed to. That's that's for like the

(34:36):
really bad offenders, like three, four or five times. Yeah,
and I could see them waiting for that guy to
get on the little Uh do.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
You think the city should think the city should offer
transportation for your court date? I think so, like maybe
like an uber or an uber credit something, or maybe
like have a city thing like, well come get you
just for the court date at least, like you can't
have swing by something.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I think for jury duty for sure.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Oh that's a good one.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
That's for jury duty. You should absolutely be given either
an uber or a rental car or something to get there,
because then all of a sudden, you're coming out of pocket,
You're already having to take off of work all this stuff,
like they have to accommodate a little bit. I've luckily
gotten out of dirty duty a couple of times because
like they've asked, like around the time when I had

(35:24):
babies being born and stuff, I'm like I'm the only one,
and then they're like, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
I was like, my luck was you know, Trey Crowder.
Me and Trey had jury duty within like a week
of each other, and I helped him out because what
happened in my case was I actually got to do
it from home. Wow, and it counted in.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
So I what they do is it was during the pandemic,
and so they sent me my notice and it was like,
because of the pandemic, you can register online and if
we need you to come in and you get selected,
you will have to come in. And so I filled
it all my info and it was like just as
long as you check, and you had to glog in
every morning at like nine am and check that you

(36:06):
are available if they need you. And then it went
throughout the day and I would check and then i'd
like clock out at the end of the day. And
I did that for five days and then my service
was done for like the seven year period or whatever.
It is.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah, and then Trey did it too. I was like, dude,
we're doing it online. Now. He's like what that he
did the same thing. He did this from home. Yeah,
pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
All right, let's look at one more video or maybe
another video. I don't know how many there are anymore.

Speaker 8 (36:33):
I've done absolutely nothing. No, seriously, put your gun.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Down, really all right? Pose it positive it So man
in California says he was hooking up his boat in
front of his house when he began recording a police
officer driving through his neighborhood. So he had already had
some issues with the police department, and he thinks the
police department is corrupt whatever city this is, and this cop,
he says. The longer version of this story is the
cop had driven up and down the street multiple times,

(36:59):
and he was feeling like this cop was trying to
intimidate him by driving around in front of his house
multiple times because he had had issues calling out the
police department for corruption. Okay, and when this cop sees
him filming, this is what happens.

Speaker 8 (37:18):
Clearly didn't like that I was pointing my camera to
videotape him. He thinks he's being funny.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Now, oh wow, Hi, go take your hand out of
your pocket out.

Speaker 8 (37:32):
No, sir, I've done nothing. I've done absolutely nothing. No, seriously,
put your gun down. Really ever time, this one's really
got a gun. No, you don't touch me. You don't
touch me.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
I'm at that address.

Speaker 8 (37:47):
You don't touch me. No, you don't touch me.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
When I tell you to take your hand out.

Speaker 8 (37:52):
I've done nothing.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
Nope, you need to relax.

Speaker 8 (37:55):
What have I done? Why'd you get out your vehicle.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
You're taking a picture of me.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
I'm taking a picture.

Speaker 8 (38:01):
You take your picture and leave the I don't have
to leave, neither do I.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
So I want to take your hand out of your pocket.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
I just want to make sure you.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Don't have a web.

Speaker 8 (38:09):
You know, I don't have a weapon on me. I
don't know that you do that.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I his hand out of his pocket.

Speaker 9 (38:15):
Wrong.

Speaker 8 (38:15):
You have your gun out because you're a police officer.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
You're trying to hand he's.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Filming your station.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Is corrupt, You're right, he's got a camera. No, sir,
guy or something like that? Is that he says, are
you some kind of constitutionalist crazy guy or something like that?
You mean someone who knows the constitution and says, I'm
not going to let you violate my rights and intimidate me.

(38:41):
That's now an insult.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
About what you're going after?

Speaker 8 (38:45):
Is that where you're going? Are you throwing claims around?

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yeah? So I think they ended up. I think there
was some kind of trouble the guy got into. I
don't know the history of that. This is a really old.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Video and it was hard to find. I remember watching
this before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, thoughts man, because I view
think through illegal lens, and then a tactics lens. Okay,
And if that guy's gonna pull a police off, I'm
gonna go through the tactics part first. If he unholsters
his firearm. Generally most departments say you unholser your firearm

(39:30):
when the situation leads you to believe that it can
escalate the use of deadly force or serious bodily injury. Okay,
that's our policy. We allowed, We're allowed to pull out
our gun. I don't see anything in there. Let's say
it's like they have the same policy as LAPD. There's
nothing in that would dictate to me like I'm gonna
pull my gun out like that. Now let's say he's like, well,

(39:51):
he had his hand in his pocket. What was the
prior information you had. If there's none, okay, you can
ask him take his hand out of pocket. But if
you think he's so much a threat, why are you
leaving cover of your car and walking up to him
exact time and distance is your friend exactly? And like,
if he's such a threat, why would you be walking
up to him like that?

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Again, it's one of those abuses of power that I'm
talking about. I mean, could you imagine that guy doing that,
not not filming it, and for whatever reason he's staring
at him or taking literally pictures instead of video. The
cop gets out and does this. This is again one
of the reasons why auditors do what they do. What
happens if I make this cop piste off. That cop
looks such so childlike when he's like, you're taking pictures

(40:32):
of me, I'm taking pictures of you, like it's like
a ten year old on a place exactly.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
And my vibe from him is he's probably a reservist
or someone who doesn't or it's a really small town.
He's had zero experience with any kind of law enforcement.
I'm not making excuses for him, but just the way
he's talking, the way he's acting like this guy has
no experience, I gotta say, and he's like probably in
his sixties.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
I don't even love the idea of a reserve officer.
Explain for the people don't know, it's basically like a
part time volunteer cop.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Right, And with our department, there's different levels, So like
the highest level, they'd have to work with a field
training officer like me, and I've had I've worked with them,
and there's other ones they're only allowed to work in
the station, and I'm glad they do the work they do,
but they just don't have the constant experience of being
an officer. They may show up like one weekend a
month or two weekends, and a lot of officers will

(41:26):
try to keep them away from the usual stuff. And
I had one guy, great dude, he was worked at
an airport and he wanted to be a reserve officer
and he's working with me and I'm like, so, have
you made any arrest? He goes no, I'd like he
stopped anybody Like no. I'm like, well, you're gonna learn
today with me, because I don't want you to go
back out there and mess up. And he didn't like

(41:47):
having to strip search a guy later that day. But
I'm like, you want to do this job, You're going
to learn how to do everything.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah. I just don't think being a cop is something
you should be able to do part time, just like
he was saying early on, just like Jeremiah was saying, like,
you got to pour your life to it. Yeah, because
and that's I mean, you got to pull your life
into comedy if you'll be successful at it. But the
chance of someone dying because you're bad at Comedy's pretty low. Yeah,
you know what I mean, not zero, but pretty low.

(42:12):
But I think, you know, being a part time temporary
volunteer police officer that should not be allowed. I just
don't think that's like doing that as a judge, like, oh,
you know, I work at the steel meal Monday through Friday.
Then on Saturday I take a look at the UI cases.
You know, No, your job is too important to part
time volunteer it.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah, yeah, no, I wouldn't mind them doing work around
the station, but in the field, but they need a
lot more time.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeah yeah. Process is a paperwork or doing something, yeah,
or maybe working in a jail helping process people or
something like that.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Just getting used to being in contact.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yeah, exactly, out in the world with a car and
a gun.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
That just feels and.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Oh no, he probably got in trouble for that. Yeah,
I'm hoping he did anywhere.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, I mean he was on vacation when they were
asked for questioning. Right, that's a nice way it's been
like all right, you go while the heat dies down
a little bit, and then of course, all right, let's go.

Speaker 10 (43:12):
It just sucks that you kind of some suspicious activity
outside in the parking lot. Two guys have tattoos all
over them, and uh, I'm not going to go out there.
And then but they're like looking around. They're in there
the back the trunk and they have all these bags.

(43:32):
They're looking through them and they keep looking around.

Speaker 11 (43:35):
I don't know if your hands up, guys, hands up,
So right off the bat, you know, I know that
these guys, I've seen the whole video.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
We'll talk this is the one you saw. Yeah, okay,
so we talk about what happens later if you want.
Right off the bat, you heard that, like, guys are
in the trunk and they're looking around and they have
tet The cops are actually tatted up more than these guys.
That yeah, yeah, so okay, I just already I don't

(44:12):
like the way the report came in. But I realized
those words are gonna those words have a way of
having that like a cultural effect on people and they
don't even realize it. It's just anyway, anyway, go.

Speaker 9 (44:25):
Ahead, what's going on?

Speaker 7 (44:28):
Man, You've got to call uh said you guys phone clothes?
Bro Okay, if that's what it is, that's what it is.

Speaker 9 (44:36):
But hold on, don't be reaching.

Speaker 7 (44:37):
Okay, somebody called and said, you guys are looking at
the trunk, looking around, being real suspicious, and I'm just
fulling clothes cleaning just for brez. You can smell it, okay.
If that's what it is, that's what it is. But
you know, people see stuff and they call us. We
gotta do our thing, and so all right, let me,
uh you don't mind, let me just look real quick.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
All right, pausit right here. So he says, if you
don't mind, let me just look real quick.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Is that a question, Yes, that's that's a question.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
He's requesting consent to look.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
So could the guy close his trunk and say I
don't consent to searches?

Speaker 3 (45:14):
He could, but I don't know what's in the officer's
mind and what he's thinking is really going on here
in his expert opinion of what's going on here. Yeah,
they could close it, but they're going to dig this.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
It's not going to be considered obstruction. If he closes
his trump. He goes, if you don't mind, let me
take a look here.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yeah, if you don't mind, that's expressed, like I need
express consent right to do it now. If he said,
let me look in there or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
It's interesting that he didn't ask. He said, if you
don't mind, let me take a look in there. It
ends with a period, that's a statement, but he did
preface it with if you don't mind. So this is
where I get into the like, where's this guy's right?
I mean, maybe I should have an attorney on instead
of a coma, But I think I think he has
the right to close his trunk and say I don't
consent to searches. What crime have I committed? Right?

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Just missed?

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Get away from me. Stop harassing me. I haven't committed
a crime. I'm folding clothes. Nothing in my car is
any of your business. Leave me alone, right.

Speaker 9 (46:09):
Okay, nothing will ego or anything. Just don't be racing
in there.

Speaker 10 (46:15):
I'm just don't.

Speaker 9 (46:19):
I can't touch my own and encounters.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
I can tell you not to.

Speaker 6 (46:26):
Just for all suspicious everybody that we come in contact with.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Right there, we have to ida everybody that we come
in contact with.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Okay, that's not true.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
You do not have to. I d everybody you come
in contact with.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Well, later in the video says if it's consentual, I
don't have to Again, I I'm watching this video. If
I responded to that and what I think is going
on here before I even watch the whole thing, I have.
You know, I thought this is going to be just
folding clothes maybe, but I picture myself. I live in
that apartment complex. I know who comes and goes. If
someone parked out in front of my house and these

(47:06):
two guys showed up open the trunk and they're going
through it and looking around, looking around, looking around, and
like something's going on here, I know who lives in
the area. So my two articulated things that could be
going on here is they're trifling to someone else's car
and they're looking for stuff to take, or they're dealing

(47:27):
some kind of contraband.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
You think they might be. They might be, but you
being suspicious of that does not constitute a crime worth
identifying them. It's not reasonable, articulable suspicion to demand ID
from someone, right, So.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
I had to watch this video all the way figure
out where the hell was at and it's in Ohio.
In Ohio, if they have a reasonable suspicion that a
crime maybe occurring, has occurred, or will occur, they can
request you to identify yourself. It's one of those twenty somethings.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
But they have to have reasonable articular suspicion. And these
guys folding clothes in the trunk, I don't think is reasonable.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
But he's saying to them it could be, because if
you're walking up on somebody, sure, I'm gonna play Devil's
advocate here. Sure, if you're walking up on somebody who's
going through a trunk two grown men who they say,
we're folding laundry, Okay, that's fine. Maybe, but from a
different point of view, it could be either they're dealing

(48:22):
drugs to each other or whatever, and that's why you know.
But wouldn't that be enough to want to check it out? No?

Speaker 1 (48:30):
I don't think so. I mean, I think want to
check it out and walk up and ask them. But
we're about to cross the threshold of I would like
to know who you are, I would like to know
what you're doing. I don't like what it is, and
I'm suspicious that you're committing a crime, but I don't
have reasonable proof that you're doing it.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
So I think that's why casually is he's just asking, hey,
can I take a look real quick?

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Right? That's what I'm saying yeah, And so when the
guy's like no, he basically starts saying, I'm gonna Arren
Stew if you don't give me your ID. Well, now
that's a whole new problem.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
I mean, so let's I haven't seen that part of
the video.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yeah, let's go. Okay, right there, I'll stop right there.
Keep that in mind. Remember he said that if you
don't give me your Social Security number, you have to
give me your name and your date of birth. Remember
that he said that. Okay, but again, I think that's
not true. I don't think. I don't think this guy

(49:28):
has enough. Just two guys with a trunk open, going
through clothes. I think maybe they could. I think they
could run the plate. They could say, hey, why don't
you close your trunk for me, let me take a
look at plate, or walk around the front of the
car and run the plate. I think that the cops
can run the plate. The car comes back stolen, All right,
now we got an issue. Now you got a ID,
because now you're in possession of a stolen vehicle.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Well, they're folding laundry in a BMW and most people
who own BMW's are not folding their laundry in a trunk. Sure,
so there are some.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
And also I've literally full did laundry in a BMW
trunk and I'm not making that up. My car is a.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Little not a sane person. You're a comedian. This is true. Yeah,
this is true.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
But I've been on the road and I've had clothes
out of from a from a laundry mat.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Did you do it with did you deal with a buddy?

Speaker 5 (50:16):
No?

Speaker 1 (50:16):
I did it by myself. But but I did it
with tattoos. Tattoos by myself. I was I looked about
like this guy. I think, Yeah, I wouldn't hang out
with this guy for sure.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
But wise because he looks a little shady to you.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah, it looks like I need to see his ID. Actually,
I need to know his Social Security number to be
honest with you. Yeah, yeah, I just don't know that
this guy has enough on this anyway, Go ahead.

Speaker 9 (50:40):
Special situation.

Speaker 7 (50:41):
We have the document that we are here talking to you.

Speaker 9 (50:48):
But how many people full coal clothes in the trunk
of a car?

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Officer Jeremiah, Ladies and Jumpy.

Speaker 6 (50:55):
No, I understand that part. But what we're saying is
it's are you worried because you might have a Well,
it's not that it's.

Speaker 8 (51:08):
There.

Speaker 9 (51:09):
When they call us to come out and see that
they're folding.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
All right, pause it again. He said, when they call us,
we gotta come out and check this. Historically. Right now,
we're talking about a couple of white cops and a
couple of white guys. But you know what happens a
lot of times a black guy goes walking through a
neighborhood and every white person comes to their door going,
he doesn't belong here, suspicious person, suspicious person. Cops show
up and going, hey, people called and said they're a

(51:34):
little worried about you walking around this neighborhood. Give me
your ID. Them being afraid of me isn't a crime.
You being suspicious of me isn't a crime. I've done
nothing wrong. I'm just existing as a free human in
this society. And the cops show up and say, prove
to me who you are, give me your name and
date of birth. That's it's an overreach. I think I

(51:55):
think they're lying to him. We have to idea everybody
become in contact with you, do not if you come up,
If you come in contact with me, and I'm committing
no crime and you don't actually have any proof that
I've committed a crime or reasonable articular suspicion that I'm
about to commit a crime. I can tell you to
fuck off. What are you gonna do about it? I'm

(52:17):
not doing anything wrong. Sure it's weird, but you know
what else is weird? If these guys were doing cartwheels,
that would be weird. Also not illegal for a couple
of forty year old men to do cartwheels together. They
could be playing patty Cake? Are you gonna demand their
id because two forty year old men are playing patty Cake?

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, because they're on myth, of course they are.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Well, it's none of the business.

Speaker 9 (52:41):
It's all okay.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Let me ask you something, because I get.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Judged where he says, I can judge every where I
go because I have faced that.

Speaker 9 (52:50):
No, I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (52:54):
What people call us for nowadays, because everybody's got a
cell phone, everybody's got access to everything, So they call
them it. Believe me, they call us about everything. They
call us about stuff that we don't even want to
be involved in, such as folding clothes. So just getting
basic information, listen, Basic information is for an informational report
that we spoke to the two of you. You were
folding clothes and we leave. It's that simple, that's it,

(53:18):
and we're not doing it to.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Investigates it please Daniel, so they they can write that
in their report without getting my social Security number. We
walked up, they were folding clothes. We left them alone.
What's It's because the cops think more is going on,
and they're trying to force to see who these people are,
to see if they're wanted, if they have warrants, if
they have drugs in the car, and I'm sure they're

(53:42):
gonna find that. Yeah, I mean, these guys are not
good guys, just so you know.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Yeah, I don't know what's what these cops are thinking.
And a lot of times will downplay things like oh yeah,
you're just folding clothes. In my head, I go, okay,
they're doing this, this and this. I think there's they're
committing this crime. I'm just gonna play it low, like, hey,
I just got to get your info from a report
or whatever, and I'll be out of your mind, out
of your hair right and try it so it doesn't escalate.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
And I think you can say that and I'm fine.
I'm fine with those psychological mind fucks of Yeah, yeah,
I'm me. Just get your info and we'll get you
out of here, no problem. What I don't like is
when it comes to the threat of arrest for not
providing the idea. That's my point, because now we're we're
already walking that line of like Nazi Germany, I don't

(54:28):
like your face, give me your ID. Who are you?
Do you belong here? You have mannerisms of someone who's Jewish.
You don't look like you belong in this neighborhood. This
is a white neighborhood. Why is a black guy jogging here?
We're these guys are way back here on that line.
But that's that's where this leads to. It's a slippery

(54:48):
slope if we allow cops to just grab anybody they
want and demand ID. I mean, the Supreme Court thing
that just came out was that that ice can if
they feel if they believe you are working a low
income job, have brown skin, and are speaking Spanish, they
can detain you to see if you're a legal immigrant.

(55:09):
We have reached a new low in this country, and
I think it's ship like this has desensitized us to
it because you're like, well, maybe those guys are doing
something wrong, and you know what they are. These guys
are doing something wrong. Yeah, flat out, these guys are
doing something wrong. But I think these cops are lying
to them, threatening them with arrest in order to get
their ID and then anyway anything any further.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
It is to get the information that we have to get.
You have the right to when we make contact with you,
provide us with the information.

Speaker 7 (55:42):
I look at as you are curious as to why
we're asking for your information, and I'm providing you the
information why we're asking for information, and then we're gonna
just go that route be done with it.

Speaker 9 (56:00):
That's my understanding.

Speaker 6 (56:01):
I'm legally allowed to not that's incorrect if we're being
accused of I if.

Speaker 7 (56:06):
This was a if this was a consensual encounter where
I walk up to you, absolutely no reason to talk
to you, and you said, off, guess what? But no, no, no,
somebody called said that you guys were doing.

Speaker 9 (56:21):
The whole look around.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
Do you live here?

Speaker 9 (56:26):
Okay? That elevates the suspicion.

Speaker 7 (56:29):
A friend it's here?

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Is her car suspicious?

Speaker 7 (56:38):
As if you were in my position, you'd probably be like,
this is getting really suspicious.

Speaker 9 (56:44):
The two dudes that don't live here. Got backed up car. Okay,
you guys are now extending this. We would already be gone. Okay,
So if you just provide me with your name.

Speaker 7 (56:56):
Day of birth, if you don't give me your social
then I will get your name and date of.

Speaker 9 (56:59):
Birth and phone number and get out here.

Speaker 7 (57:01):
So I talked to you, saw exactly what was going on,
because you can take this further to the point of
an arrest, right there?

Speaker 9 (57:11):
Anything wrong?

Speaker 1 (57:11):
All right? Pause it real quick for me last. I
want to pause it because a little bit more left
in this video. That's where I think the cop overstepped.
He just threatened him with arrest for not providing ID
do you think the cop is right in this moment?

Speaker 3 (57:23):
I'm just looking at Ohai the basis of what I know.
Ohio's shall I d law? And I'm I don't know
what's in their head. If they're in their head, they're like, yeah,
they're doing this. I think they're dealing.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Doesn't it really based on what's in the cops head.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Yeah, based on the totality circumstances, what they observed, the
comments of the radio call everything.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
But the A in raz is articulable. Can you articulate
a reasonable suspicion.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
I could, but I don't know if I don't know
if they can, right, you do.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
You think do you think in California you'd have enough
to idea these guys in California.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
This is how it works in California. Let's say I resuspicion,
I'd detained them, I'd moved them to this side, say hey,
what's your name that I we're not giving IDA? I'm like, okay, well,
then if you're not gonna give me your ID, I
have to take you back to the station. What fingerprint you?
Six hours? Six hours later, I'm gonna find out.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Who you are.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
And there's no charge for it. There's no in California.
You can't be arrested for like obstruction for But.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
You think these you think you think in California these
guys have enough suspicion to give you the right to
demand ID under thread of arrest.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
I couldn't do it. It's not California law to demand ID. Okay,
that's okay, yeah, all right, there's some states they can
demand it.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
And well you said if I if I, if I
refuse I ID, you would just take me back.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
To this that's not arrest. That's just a very long detention.
There's no extra charge for not giving your information.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
And force me to identify myself. And I haven't committed
a crime.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
If I believe suspicion that you may have, and you're
not giving me your information so I can figure out
who you are.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Handcuffs.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Yeah, I have to handcuff you to take you in
the jail.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Wow. Yeah, I hate that. I hate everything about that.
What are your thoughts? Am I out of line here? Jeremiah?

Speaker 2 (59:06):
You know, I'm a guy with not too guilty of
a conscience. So if a cop asks for I D,
I don't really care, bro hashtag I don't. I just don't.
If you if you need to see my ID, I've
got a clean record. This is me speaking maybe with
white privilege. Sure, sure, sure, but I'm just saying, like
you're asking me directly my opinion. If I was folding

(59:28):
laundry in the back of a car of a parking
lot and somebody called it in and the cop wanted
to see my i D, I'd give them my ID.
I wouldn't care.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I would not. That's interesting.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Okay, you'd probably be good on this because you don't
have guns and dope and everything in there. Yeah, i'd
be I'd win, Yeah, you would win, I'd win.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Yeah, extensively.

Speaker 6 (59:52):
Do you think we want to be out here talking
to you guys because you're out here folding clothes? Okay,
No we don't. We got better things to do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
So it's doom.

Speaker 9 (01:00:01):
Then information we leave. That's it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:06):
This is making this much more than what it has
to me.

Speaker 7 (01:00:10):
Now, you're elevating my suspicion that you got some reason,
James Mo.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Yeah, yeah, all right, So tell everybody what actually happens here.
I know you watched the video, So.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
These officers are a lot more patients than I did.
Long story shorts. They finally figure out who these guys are.
The guy with the without the ball cap, he admits
that he has a warrant for the rest and he
didn't want to go back, and he tells this long
story how like he was in a car with some
woman that he was had a relationship with and she
bolted out of the car and left him with her dope.
And he's like, I just don't want to go back

(01:00:42):
to jail for something I did and hate when that happens. Yeah,
and the other guy he started getting really sweaty. He's
like I need to lay down, and probably swallowed some
dope on there. And long story short after that, they
had the warrant and these guys they searched the car.
There's a bunch of I think three or four guns
in there, fear stolen. Interesting their tactics I didn't like,

(01:01:06):
because if you if you angle your tactics right to show, Okay,
I think there's more than meets the eye. If I thought,
because walking up, I'm like, okay, comments to the call,
all that looking in the bag, looking around, doing all
the things. Okay, I'm gonna put them like twenty feet
away from that car right and be like, hey, this
is why I'm detaining you. I think you guys are

(01:01:26):
dealing dope, breaking into this car whatever it is right
that way. They know at that point some cops like
to keep their cars close and play it like really cool.
I don't know if they were not, if they were like,
oh yeah, these guys are just folding closed. We don't
got anything here, and give me your ID. Then you're
crossing the threshold there. Yeah, it's none of my none

(01:01:48):
of your business.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
I got a warrant.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
The comments on that on YouTube are great, by the way, Yeah,
I read the comments.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Good. Did you see my comment?

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
No, I didn't see her.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Oh I put a comment in there that said, these
cops are one h percent lying in the first few minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
But oh they were lying like, yeah, we're just falling closed. Yeah, sure,
we just need information.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Everybody was lying.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Yeah, everybody's all right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
I got one more video that I want to show you,
And it comes down to this idea of when you
have to show ID to the cops. There's this idea
that you know, you don't have to show ID in
most places unless you've committed a crime, or you are
suspected of committed a crime or suspected of committing a crime,
or they think you're about to commit a crime, and
there's reasonable, articulate suspicion. Right, So, but we run into

(01:02:32):
these situations where someone shows up at a place and
then they're kicked off the property as a trespass. They
haven't technically committed a crime yet because they're leaving. But
then the cops are like, give me your ID so
I can fill out this form, this this trespassed form,
I can give you a warning. Then the person refuses
to ID because they haven't committed a crime, and then
there's this whole fight they get tackled or whatever. So

(01:02:53):
I want to play a video of that for you
and get your responses to exactly when we have to
iden when the situation like that happens. And but before
we do that, I know Jeremiah has to get going
and I really just need you for this one anyway.
So we're gonna say goodbye to Jeremiah, and then I'm
gonna show you this video, and then you and I

(01:03:15):
are going to handle this conversation in the extended version
of the show, and for y'all out there listening, that
is at Patreon dot com slash David C.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Smalley.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
That's where we're gonna be wrapping this up. And then
as he leaves, I'll get you guys to swap chairs,
if that's cool. Jeremiah, thank you so much for coming today.
I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Take care and keep the funnies coming.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Thank you so much for having all right, man, I
appreciate it. Take care, man, alr, guys, thanks so much.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Later, man, take care. All right, let's do this last video.
Jenny