Ep.554: Rams are a Seahawks LOSS away from 1st in the NFC West

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, guys, welcome back to Downtown Rams. As always,
I'm Alexis Kraft, join here with my co host Jake
ellen Bogan, and we are coming to you after the
Rams win against the San Francisco forty nine ers twelve
to six.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
That might be well.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
I know, it's the only time, Jake, that we've ever
had that score with any any game that we've covered.
That will probably be the only time that we'll ever
have a twelve to six score from the I mean,
it's just it's one of those games that is so unreal.
You're we do it, by the way, go for it.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
It's up to you. I did it last night. It's
a great song. I don't even care.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I don't even know what song you're referring to, but
go ahead and play I think I do you do?

Speaker 3 (00:58):
You've seen in a million times bill ahead, play the song.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
I'm finding it stall all.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Right, Well, Jake is finding whatever song we we have
a comment about, play the song. What I was saying
about the score is, if you haven't guessed by now,
I can't imagine none of you have caught up in
the game. But if you're just listening to our recap.
There was not a touchdown score by either the Rams
or the forty nine ers, but the Rams pulled out
the win against the forty nine ers.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Jake play the song.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Oh that's not the song. What the hell?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
What what was that holding he?

Speaker 4 (01:37):
I thought he was that's funny. Now this is the song.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
Dang fucking forty nine. Yeah, put the forty nine a yeah,
plucked a forty nine to day? Sorry has team?

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Thanks? Fuck a forty nine. Hey, I hate the forty nine.
I hate the forty nine Look, y'all, wow.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
Wow wow wow wow y'all cham Hey, Hey, hey, y'allo.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Cham wowow wow wow wow.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
Change Yeah, fuck the forty nine ers. I hate the
forty nine ers back. I hate that fucking team. Back.
Rock Party looked like Jimmy newtrop Ray Sheen team with
Tom Brady, got your quarterback machine? Why? I hate that
team so much? Working up and fuck George Kittle Brady.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Look I like George rock Party.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
That's like Ronald.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
Reagan and fucked Deebo Samuel where he looked.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Like the bab Oh my god, I love that.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
You see Rock Party looks like Ronald Reagan.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yeah that it was just a blow.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
I ain't trying to hear what you get.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
I don't even know. The word went.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
Home with the same amount of ring act he y'all foul.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Wow, wow, wow, what's you know?

Speaker 1 (02:48):
What's so funny? What's so funny about that song is
this is the first literally last night, it was the
first time I'd heard it, but apparently it's been around.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Oh yeah, I hate it?

Speaker 5 (02:58):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Like?

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Who made do we know who made the song?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
That's the problem is I don't know who made this
song because it was on like TikTok it says at
trap House Sports, but like, I don't know if at
trap House Sports made the song, which I don't love.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
I want to be able to credit.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
People for the genius work that they did. So if
you made the song and somehow you come across this video,
hit me up at JK. Bogan, I want to give
you credit, and I want to make sure you get
credit for anybody who uses the song, because everybody is
using the song.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
And also, let's clarify that this isn't like relatively good
fun Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
I don't hate the forty nine ers, by the way,
I don't. I retired my hatred even from the lions.
I don't know if you saw my public service.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Let's not take it that far.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
No, I've done hating. I'm done hating teams. I'm done
doing it.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
But no, no, no, it's fun. I do have I do
have many many friends who are forty nine Ers fans.
But the week that we all play gets very very intense.
So you know, certainly have been hearing it from forty
nine Ers fans all week, even after the game, some
nasty comments. So you know, we'll just start playing the

(04:12):
song and.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, from there.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
But yeah, if anybody knows who actually made that song,
please feel fear to drop it in the chat.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
We could give them credit. Like I said, I hadn't
heard it. I don't.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
I don't even really know the words. But very catchy
and very fun. The video that I saw people playing it.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
To with the oh yeah, the boom box because that
looks ridiculous anyway, But yeah, I mean, last night was
so big for the Rams because they got the first
sweep of the forty nine Ers since twenty eighteen. You
have a Kyrien Williams quote I want you to throw
out there, and I want you to give context to it,
because I think people are saying like he's barking up

(04:54):
the wrong tree. Well, first off, no he's not, because
you guys aren't coming down doing anything about it. You're
not making the playoffs. But second he was justified even
if he said it in the tone that I think
people read it on Twitter, I agree with it.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
So you know, give me your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
He was interview Yeah, Kien Williams was interviewed after the game,
and they kind of talked about just recap and kind
of touched on, you know, the rivalry between the Rams
and the forty nine ers, and he gave actually a lot,
a very a compliment. He complimented the forty nine ers
a lot, but he talked about the energy of the

(05:32):
Rams team and how some of the players and the
team had been talking about we have a chance to
sweep San Francisco and how then they did it, and
when he was asked to describe kind of the feeling,
he again complimented the forty nine ers, but at the
end he said something about like it felt kind of
like we were the big brother now or something like that,
we're the big brothers now. And of course forty nine

(05:53):
ers are taking that quote and circulating it around and
the whole video is out there. By the way, they're
sharing the video, which is like you and a half
minutes long, and they're only they're obviously using a clickbait
quote from the end, but like, like you touched on
even if that was the quote, I mean, I don't
know that he's necessarily like wrong in terms of this season, right,

(06:13):
I mean, he's not won both games, But also, like I,
you know, to be fair, as you and I were saying,
like people who are people aren't watching the video, he
actually was very complimentary of the forty nine ers and
talked about how good of a team they are and
how hard they are to beat. So yeah, that's the
context between that Kyrien Williams quote that I know, like

(06:35):
forty nine Ers fans are using to kind of trash
him or trash the rams and say that, you know,
we're sore winners or whatever. It's totally not true. But yeah,
the video's out there, anybody can go watch it.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, so this is the original creator at Trap House Sports.
I just wanted to be clear, Like you know, I'm
a big fan of giving credit to the first person
that did something, created something.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
We're creators. We wouldn't like it if somebody.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Took credit for our entire podcast or not to say,
people don't take stuff that we say, and you know,
go on Facebook and act like they created the thought.
I saw that with your I saw that with yours.
You had what was a braid and Fisk getting a
touchdown and someone's like, yeah, I just have this feeling
braid and Fisk is going to get a touchdown. It's like,
there's nobody you thought that beforehand, but you know, it

(07:26):
is what it is. It's it's all good. The Rams won.
That's all we care about.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
That's all that we care about.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
And you know what, yeah against the division rival who again,
like we've touched on, I think to open the episode,
we have a very intense rivalry with and who. You know,
I feel like you and I are very very fair
to the forty nine ers. Absolutely, you know, we give
them a lot of credit and we'll talk about it now.
I mean, listen, guys, this was a win of twelve

(07:55):
to six. There was not a touchdown scored. I don't
think Jake saw that going that way. I certainly didn't
see it going that way. I don't think anybody did there.
It is funny this one girl I know and I
follow her on Twitter, and she bet twenty four cents
for a touchdown and not be scored. No way, she no,
she did she And she's a Saints fan. She's not

(08:17):
a Rams of forty nine Ers fan. She's a running
bit called scared money doesn't make money and she'll just
pick out rageous FanDuel bets and take like twenty four
cents or sixty one cents or like whatever it is
to win like at plus twenty four that million, like whatever,
you know, odds. And so last night her bet literally
was no touchdown scored, and she bet like twenty four

(08:39):
cents or something and ended up with twenty four bucks.
And I was like crazy that that was a really
really good pick. But yeah, she's looking at this game.
You have to give a lot of credit to the
forty nine Ers defense, first off, absolutely, and you've got
to give a lot of credit to our defense.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
I mean, the defenses. It was a bat all the defenses.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
The offenses were not able to get anything done. I
think the Rams in the second half had you know,
a couple explosive plays, you know when the rain stopped,
and I think they kind of adjusted to kind of
the sticky coverage that the forty nine ers were executing
really really well. I mean the Rams were not able
really in the passing game to get anything done. Again,

(09:25):
they were able to kind of do it a little
bit in the second half. I mean their best obviously
passing play was that kind of deep ball of puka,
which was great, but they really the entire game weren't
able to get you know, much done. You look at
you know, Matthew Stafford sixteen for twenty seven one hundred
and sixty yards, much of that in the second half.
You know, like I've mentioned, you know, on the ground

(09:46):
is obviously where they were able to be productive. You know,
Kyrine Williams twenty nine carries one hundred and eight yards.
I mean watching the game, it's a little surprising he
got over one hundred.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
The forty nine ers had you know, did pretty well.
I thought the offensive line did well. But it was
just one of those just like brutal games that you
felt like you had to, you know, grind out, and
you know, obviously we had to I think stick with
the ground game a little bit because the passing game
couldn't get anything done. When the forty nine Ers were
a man, you know, and then on the flip side,

(10:17):
I think our defense kind of did the same thing.
Our defense has played actually very similar, you know us
in the forty nine ers. But Jake, what are your
overall thoughts in this game?

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:26):
I mean they just kept running the football, and I
think that was a big thing. Kyraen Williams takes twenty
nine carries for over one hundred yards. The archbery carry
average isn't great, but who cares in a game like
that where first off, the elements affected this game, Let's
not you know, act like it didn't a lot of rain.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
At one point it looked like heavy rain.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
And when you're Kira and Williams, who you know really
likes to kind of just slither his way for a
first down, you have no traction at that point.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Now you're slipping down. You saw that.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
I think that really benefited up front for the forty
nine ers defensive line, and of course that helped the
rams too when the forty nine ers were trying to
run the football. But Kyra Williams still made four tackles
misstackles in this game, which was really good. He had
sixty seven of his one hundred and eight yards after contact,
which was really good, and so that really helped them

(11:19):
out because Stafford could not grip the ball in the
first half and then I just feel like he didn't
have it in this game. There was a picture that
went kind of viral right before the game. It was Stafford,
you know, just coming in off the plane or whatever,
and he looked absolutely zonked. You could just see he

(11:43):
was tired, he was exhausted. And Andrew Whitworth made fun
of it after the game. It was just like, that's
what life of a thirty six year old quarterback in
the NFL, you know, with kids and everything is gonna
look like. And you know, I think a lot of
credit goes to the Buffalo Bills because I think they
really brought everything out of the Rams to win that game.

(12:07):
And in normal circumstances, because people will say, Alexis and Jake,
why are you defending this or why do you think
that's the case now when it wasn't the case against
the Vikings. And I'll tell you the Vikings was off
a game after a bye, so against the Raiders, so

(12:27):
not even the same style of team, and then you
play against one of the best teams in the league.
A team I still think can win the AFC and
go to the Super Bowl, and you play a forty
four to forty two type of barn burner that you
haven't played all year, Well, yeah, I think that a
lot was taken out of them. And then going into

(12:48):
this game, you're on the road, short week, rivalry game,
You're going up against the team that is playing for
their season, and you're doing so.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
In the elements it was rain.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
So I think a lot of things come into this,
and this is championship football at the end of the day,
because you can't on one hand say they're all the
Rams forty four to forty two. Wow, the defense sucked,
which a lot of people did, and then turn around
and say, wow the Rams twelve to six, Wow, the

(13:20):
offense sucked.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
No.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
At some point or another, you got to give the
other side some credit. And I think the forty nine
Ers defense was really tough in this one, and the
Rams just did enough.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
To get by, and you got a credit.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Guys like Kien Williams, who've been scrutinized for the fumbling.
He took the ball twenty nine times and back to
back games on a four game four day window and
didn't fumble in the rain, didn't fumble, carried the offense.
Pooka Nakua, who was everybody was talking about for the Bills.
Game goes out there, can't get really a lot going

(13:56):
doesn't matter, gets that fifty yard plus bomb to really
kind of take over the game at that point. How
about Hunter Long, you know, off a punt block on Sunday,
comes out. He looks good, not only just in the
blocking game, but I thought it was really smooth as
a receiver, and I find myself wanting to see more
of him. Coolby Parkinson makes a boneheaded move to go

(14:20):
out of bounds, follows it up by you know, catching
essentially the game seiler there to get that first down.
And you know it wasn't just that Cooper Cup zero catches,
zero yards. I know fantasy football fans aren't gonna want
to hear it, but the reality is, Cooper Cup you
have to find other areas of the game to impact
and he did. And this is why Cooper Cup is

(14:41):
a pros pro. He can still impact the game not
actually having any catches or anything, so that it is
what it is there. But I also got to give
a lot of praise to the offensive line in this one.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
I thought that they were great.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yet again, they were great against the Bills, they great
against the forty nine ers. They gave up twenty pressures
in this game, right, they did, But again we're talking
about the rain, We're talking about just a short week,
and they gave up zero sacks zero.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
This was not gonna be easy.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
You were getting the forty nine ers all and I
thought the Rams did their damnedest to give Stafford enough time,
and I thought quite often it was Stafford missing the
throws that he normally makes, which tells me he was
just zonked from Sunday and not really necessarily that he
didn't have the pocket. So with that said, to wrap

(15:37):
up the offensive side, Kevin Dotson is an absolute animal.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
You saw the play.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
We all saw it, except for apparently I love Al
Michaels and I think Kirk Krbstreet's really good, but.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
They didn't say anything about it.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
This guy is throwing the forty nine ers right out
of the club. He just ran people over and we
saw it in real time, and it was cool to
see the NFL social media team actually push that because
offensive linemen and we interview a lot of them, and
we have a soft spot for the old line. They
do not get enough credit. They're called the big Uglies

(16:16):
for a reason. But I'll tell you right now, even
though that was a bowl in a china shop, that
was a thing of beauty and if you love football,
shit like that is why.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
So hats off to Kevin Dotson.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
That one play in particular with the three pancakes or
whatever he had on the Kiren run was just special.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
It was, And yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
I thought it was really cool that the Rams highlighted
that because you know, I think offensive linemen are the
unsung heroes, and you know they I think Rams fans
definitely know that they can literally make or break your team.
It doesn't matter how good your quarterback is, it doesn't
matter how good your receivers running backs are. If you
have zero offensive line, it's going to be really, really
hard to get anything done. And so they were great

(17:01):
last night against a forty nine Ers defense that was
playing really well. I mean, like like we said, you know,
we weren't able to score on them, you know, so
thankfully the offensive line was able to kind of hold
their own with them last night and kind of minimize
the damage that could have happened. Yeah, I mean, I
just think, you know, wrapping up the offense, Jake, I

(17:24):
just I felt like as gritty of a game as
it was. And listen, Matthew Stafford started off the game
very poorly. As we talked about that was obvious. He
just didn't look like himself. He was missing wide open throws,
you know, and it was raining, so I you know, again,
you know, I think some of it could probably be
probably be attributed to the rain. You know, brock Perty

(17:45):
had his struggles at first two, but I thought we
really stepped up in the run game. I mean, and also,
you know, twenty nine carries from kyn think he had
close to that amount against the Bills if I'm not.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
Mistake, twenty nine exactly.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Oh so twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
So and within four days he's had I'm not going
at math, but I think that's fifty eight.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Yeah. I'm not gonna math either, but yes, the day yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Okay, so he's Yeah, so that's you know, that's a
lot of work within you know, in a short week.
It's already a short week, and then two games where
he's running the ball a lot, you know, just another
testament to a great job by him in this game,
and he kind of really put the offense on his
back for a while. So yeah, I was really pleased,

(18:34):
as crazy as it sounds, with the grit from the offense,
even though you know, I'm obviously disappointed that they couldn't
score in the red zone that one play wrapping it
up with that Kyroene block against Leonard Floyd. Man, Yeah,
everybody was messaging me about that. I have it posted
on my Twitter if you guys want to check it out.

(18:56):
But Kyron absolutely bodied Leonard Floyd. But that but what
gets lost on that play is every because so everybody's
focusing on how good of a hit that was, because
it was, you know, great great pass protection and then
he completes throughout and it makes a catch. But if
you watch that play on the checkdown so he so

(19:17):
then he makes a catch, makes the makes the play
even cooler. But what would have been coolest is if
Matthew Stafford would have hit him. I counted in my
head like literally two to three seconds quicker. He would
have had a wide open touch, there's no one behind him,
but instead Stafford ran out. He kept running out. Then
he's on the sideline and then you know Fred Warner
is able to make a play. But I rewatched that

(19:39):
several times and I was like, oh, I wish Matthew
would have hit him just a little bit sooner because
he had nobody behind him. He would have just walked
it in for a touchdown. But yeah, you guys haven't
seen that clip. It's a It's really cool, and.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
That's why they drafted him.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah, when they when they were asked by Jordan Rodrik
why they draft at Kira Williams, they said, pass pro
that's why. And obviously there are other reasons to it,
and that's why he's RB one for this team. But
I mean, pass protection is huge. It's what cost cam
Akers a spot on this team. I mean, make no

(20:16):
mistake about it. If he could pass protect, they might
not have even drafted Kyra Williams. So you know that's
kind of the thing, right, But I just have to
give a shout out though to this offense when things
really felt bleak, neither team was really doing anything on
the offensive side, and then the forty nine ers have

(20:39):
some ten play drive only for thirty four yards. They
get a field goal because of course Jake Moody. I
heard it all week. Jake Moody's really been struggling. So
I'm like, he'll drill every single field goal he sees,
and he'll drill it in the pouring rain or the snow,
whatever he gets.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
I just I could already tell it's gonna be that
type of game.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Well after that, the down six to three and it's
eight twenty three, right, the Rams would go on to
hold on to the football the rest of the quarter
and bleed out two minutes in the fourth quarter with
a seventeen play sixty five yard drive that goes nine

(21:19):
minutes and forty five seconds. And to me, despite the
fact they didn't get the touchdown and a lot of
people were complaining, and I did want them to go
for it, but at the same time, I liked them
just taking the points in the elements. The Rams when
they tied it up, felt like they just took the
lead because you could see, this is a chess match

(21:41):
type of game. This is an old school chess match.
This is a boxing match. You're trying to score points
hitting in the body, and then you're setting up for
potentially the haymaker, but you might not have that and
you might just have to win by decision, not knockout,
and the Rams knew that. They knew that this was
going to be a decision and not a knockout. And

(22:01):
so while that fifty plus yard bomb you could say
could have been a knockout, it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
This was still a game to the bitter end.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
And I just give him a lot of credit on
that seventeen seventeen play drive that even though they didn't
get the touchdown, that just absolutely killed that defense, because
after that the Rams were able to score on a
five play drive, they get fifty nine yards, and then
after that they get another thirteen play drive. So they

(22:30):
had double digit drives twice in this game that went
for points.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
And it was in the fourth quarter when they had
to have it.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
And that tells me that not only did the offense
start getting in some momentum and obviously the rain died down,
but more importantly, alexis they had tired out this defense.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
And we saw that.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, I agree, and you know, switching kind of sides
here and talking about our defense and forty nine ers offense,
Like I said, they very much mirrored each other, you know,
or the defense is this game, this was a battle
of the defenses. Yeah, you know, they they both teams
had a defense that really stepped up. Thankfully, the RAMS

(23:10):
was able to you know, lead the victorious side.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
But you know, I thought I was really proud of
what the defense was able to do.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
And I was.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Particularly proud of your guy, Kello Witherspoon that Jake is
flexing over there, because he came out and had a
great game in the presence, in the absence of Kobe
Durant who was out. So Witherspoon got the start and
he did a very good job and we got our
question answered. Kind of that we asked last episode of

(23:41):
who was going to be on Juwan Jennings because you
and I are both really big fans of Juwan Jennings
and think that he's very underrated, and it was a
question mark who's going to be on him? Right, you know,
Williams or Witherspoon. You know, we saw Lake on him
a little bit, but it was really Kelly if I'm
not mistaken. H So, Jake's thrown up some comments for

(24:02):
everybody listening right now on our screen, uh, complimenting Witherspoon
and asking where the Kellow haters are at and I
don't know, Jake, I don't know where they're at because
I certainly haven't seen anything from them.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Oh I have, but they don't know balls, so I
don't really care.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
I don't know how you watched that and said yeah
he was okay or yeah he was our That was
to your point. I mean, that was a massive performance
with Kobe out on a short week, and this is
why he should have been starting all along. So anyway,
I just want back to what you were saying.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
No, well, I just I wanted to give him credit
because you know, in a game like this, you know,
yes they have injuries, but you know, Joan Jennings is
very good, George Kittle's very good. Both of those guys
were still in last night, and I thought our defense
did a really good job, you know, against them, all
things considered, you know, looking at the first half right
in the rain, it was chaotic, you know, obviously everybody

(25:01):
was struggling. But I just thought that the Rams did
really good. You know, George Kittle four receptions for sixty
one yards. I mean, it was a solid performance from him.
He was their leading receiver. I mean Juwan Jennings being
held the two receptions and thirty yards is like if
you would have told me that a few days ago,
I would have been ecstatic, but I would have been
a little bit in disbelief. So the fact that he

(25:22):
was able to be held to thirty one yards is fantastic.
But also just again in general, the fact that the
Rams defense was able to have such a shutdown performance
and absolutely just make it misery for this forty nine
ers offense is great. So I don't know if you
have any thoughts kind of on the defensive performance as

(25:45):
a whole, and if there was anything in particular stood
out to you.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah, well, I first off want to say this, I
don't remember the last time a RAMS cornerback has had
three pass breakups in the game. So anybody getting on,
I don't know what you're actually doing. And I think
the problem is a lot of people don't understand that cornerbacks.
This is how I will explain it because I love
my analogies. As you know, we've been doing this thing.

(26:11):
This is now our five hundred and fifty fourth episode. Wow,
time flies and you're having fun, So.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
You know I've been doing this for a while. Analogies
are my thing.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
You know what the analogy is that I would say
for cornerback play, well, think about this. Okay, people think
that corners can't give up first downs, they can't give
up catches. That's not true, just like it's not true
that the best hitter in baseball bats a thousand. He
doesn't go up there ten out of ten times and gets,

(26:42):
you know, a hit every single time.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Right.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
The best hitters in baseball bat three of ten, three hundred.
So obviously, if you give up three catches out of
ten targets in football, that's pretty darned good. And last night,
for whatever reason, brock Purdy was going after a Kello

(27:07):
Witherspoon and really challenging him. And guess what he gave
up fifty seven yards on seven targets four receptions. Right,
some people look at that and say that's too much. However,
he only had twelve yards after the catch given up.
He had four tackles, no mistackles. The Rams, surprisingly with
just the crazy weather that they were dealing with, only

(27:28):
had one mistackle that was Byron Young. Darius Williams didn't
play all that bad, give up three catches on six
targets for forty eight, but he had thirty yards. After
the catch given up in those in those targets. So
that's when that becomes an issue when now all of
a sudden yards after the catch, that's on. Okay, you've
given up the catch. Now what push him out of

(27:50):
bounds bring him down. If you're limiting the yards after
the catch, that's how to do it. The problem has
been this year that they're giving up a lot of
yards after the catch, and that's been d Will's issue. However,
d Will came away with the interception, which was huge
and basically sealed the deal. No idea what brock Perty

(28:10):
was doing throwing that football. He had pure sal wide open.
That probably gets the first down. I don't know what
he was doing either way. Those two stepped up. How
about Cameron Curl, I think this was his best game
as a ram in coverage. He had a really good
game and was in a different role. I thought you

(28:30):
saw some really good things out of Curl. Was targeted twice,
no catches allowed, really shut down his assignment, and one
of his assignments was George Kittle. I thought Cameron Kinchins
once again, looks like he's just growing up on the fly.
Quinton Lake, this was a huge game for him only
gave up six yards one catch on four targets, So

(28:52):
really good stuff out of this secondary. And when you
do that on a short week after you just got
blistered by Josh Allen's six touchdown brigade, and you come
back and everyone is talking about you just had the
best win of your season, and all anybody wants to
talk about is how bad your defensive play was. You

(29:13):
come out and you're able to have this performance. I
don't care if brock Party was missing throws. I don't
care if it was the elements or whatever. This was
a hell of a performance. And alexis this matters more.
I had a thirty one twenty four game. I think
you had something very similar. Here's the thing, Oh we
have the same Okay, it's perfect right. What I'm about

(29:33):
to say is this, the twelve to six game is
going to benefit more and help them more become what
they're supposed to be down the stretch than a thirty
one to twenty four game would have, because we already
knew the offense, got the confidence on Sunday, you know
they're able to drop thirty seven. Obviously the seven More
of that came in the form of the special teams

(29:55):
unit blocking the punt. But the reality is now, this
late in the season against a team that knows you well,
and your defense gives up six points in prime time
on a short week. Oh yeah, they're gonna build off this.
The defense carried them to this win. And I think

(30:17):
this is a great thing because the offense carried him
to the win on Sunday, defense carried him to the win.
You know, this time around, the special teams unit continues to.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Ball out Josh Carty.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Some of you said it, let's go and get the
John Parker romo guy that was cut by the Vikings,
And I said, no, no, no, no, no no, Let's give
Josh Carty an opportunity here to do what he can do.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
I believe in this kid.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
The Rams believe in him, and it's why they won
because if you put that, you know, you put that
pressure on Maher. Maybe Maher doesn't do it last year.
Lucas Haversick definitely doesn't do it last year. This was
a great romance Ricardi in the rain. They didn't ask
him to do anything too crazy, but they did ask
him to kick from the left hash which has been

(31:08):
an issue for him and he drilled it, so really
appreciate that. And then of course the defense up front,
Kobe Turner man, this was a huge performance for him.
The linebackers were really good. I thought Rose Boom and
Omar did really well. And I know people are getting
on Verse because they're not seeing the sacks and they're

(31:28):
putting out Oh well, you know, since this point or whatever,
his win rate has gone down. But what if I
told you that Jared Verse had a twenty four point
one percent win rate on Thursday night on a short
week dealing with the ankle. I'm sure, and twenty four
percent of the time he won his battles. Kobe won

(31:50):
nineteen percent in the trenches, which is insane for an
interior defensive lineman. Brayden Fisk won sixteen point seven percent,
and Michael Hoyt won fourteen percent, as you know, the
cheetah package guy that comes in and he does all
the dirty work. So really, what I mean to say
is that this is an all hands on deck win

(32:12):
and this is gonna be huge for a young defense.
They're gonna build off this, just like the offense is
going to build off what they did against Buffalo. They
get that much needed mini buy and they'll be ready
at MetLife when I'm out there to see them go
and beat the Jets.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's right, you are going to be at
the Jets game. I am, but yeah, I mean, just
overall again, I know that a twelve to six game
is excruciating. Trust me, I'm aware of that. They can
be really hard to watch. I joked that this game
took years off my life. It just it's a battle.

(32:49):
But you know what, I think that it showed us
a lot about this Rams team and what they're capable of,
and I think that they really needed this.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Sometimes wins like this are a lot better for morale
than a blowout.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
And I know that it sounds crazy saying that, but
anyone who's played sports knows what I'm talking about. Sometimes
these hard fought wins build your confidence even more so.
I was really really happy, obviously with the Rams performance,
and I thought that you know, it was well you
and I both said last episode it was critical that
they win. I mean, if the Rams didn't win last night,

(33:25):
I would be very scared that their season would be over.
There would have been a way mathematically, obviously, but I
just felt like this was such a statement for the
Rams to go out and win, you know, And I'm
reading these comments kind of as we close talking about
the actual game. But there's Jake, let's pivot. Because there's pivot,

(33:49):
Let's pivot to some news that came out today. Yeah,
that are our former friend Odo Beckham Junior, or I
guess friend, don't. We aren't close personal friends of Odo
Beckham Junior.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Talked to him a little bit, I'll try.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
I've talked to him one time. He was nice.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
But anyways, Odell Beckham Junior got released by the Dolphins.
He did, and a lot of Rams fans are engaging
in conversation on social media right now saying that the
Rams should sign him. And I remember what happened last
time Odell Beckham Junior came to the Rams in the
middle of a season. Season ended, uh pretty favorably. Yeah,

(34:35):
we ended up with a Super Bowl win. He got
a touchdown a Super Bowl. Now, Jake, I'll be honest,
I see both sides of this argument. I'm not super
passionate about it one way or another. I would love
to see him back on the Rams because I'm a
big fan of Odo Beckham Junior and I think that
he is a benefit. You know, I'm not saying that
he is the same player he was, but I think

(34:57):
he's a veteran receiver. You get him in the locker room,
God forbid, somebody goes down, right, Yeah, you know you
have him as a body, if anything. And also the
nostalgia factor because he he was, you know, with us
when we won the Super Bowl a few years ago.
But then I also see the other side of it.
We truthfully, you know, you don't need him, right, We're

(35:18):
not in dire need of a receiver. We already have
Cooper Cup and Pukinakua, and we've got DeMarcus Robinson who's
been playing very well too too at well, who's been
really coming through with us.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
We got rookie Jordan Winnington.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
We still have Tyler Johnson, right, So I understand kind
of the people who are like we literally there's no point.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
So I see both sides of it.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I'm not super passionate about it either way.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
But what are your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
I mean, if we're going by don't need did the
Rams really need Jalen Ramsey? I mean they spent all that,
you know, all those assets to get a keep to
leave and Marcus Peters and I mean, they didn't need
Jalen Ramsey, but they wanted him and they got it done.
Did they need Like we talk about this all the time, like, yes,
Stafford brought them over the hump. But that's a really

(36:07):
kind of outlier move by the Rams where I don't
think the thirty one organizations trade a young Jared Goff
in his prime for Matthew Stafford. I just don't think
any other organization would have done that, you know move Now,
the organizations that were interested the Colts didn't have a
goth and you know Carolina didn't have a GoF you know,

(36:31):
the forty nine ers. Maybe you know they wouldn't, but
like really there weren't that many. And so that's the
whole thing I always hear, like the need, like do
they really need to know? Do they need Odell Beckham Junior?
When the year they won the Super Bowl? Like no,
actually going into that signing. And that's the weird thing

(36:52):
the voodoo where I will never forget it as long
as I live. I'm at the Devil's game in and
I get a text, Actually I'm on my way to
the Devil's game, and I get a text from the
most random account ever on Twitter, zero followers. This was

(37:12):
clearly somebody inside the organization. Zero followers, zero following, And
it's one of those dms that you see, right, but
it's like you have to read more or whatever.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
It didn't just show up right at my DMS. It's
just something that said.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Like request or I forget what it is, but anyway,
I opened it up and said, Robert Woods is done
for the year, so.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Make of that what you will, whatever it was.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
And I'm like, come on, I'm literally about to go
to the Devil's game and this dude's giving me news
that I honestly didn't really even believe, right, because I
was like, Odell's signing a contract today, Like what is
he talking about? Robert Woods suffered the injury the day
Odell is signing the contract. So think about this. Odell

(38:07):
signing the contract doesn't change history, it doesn't make it.
So Robert Woods tears his acl right, he doesn't get
the injury because Odell signed the contract. So what I'm
saying is, at the time, let's be honest here, at
the time, the Rams didn't have a need. They had

(38:29):
Van Jefferson, they had Cooper cup, Ben Scronick was a
guy they really liked. They had Robert Woods, and they
had Deshaun Jackson before he asked out for god knows why,
and he.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
Still regrets it to this day. He talks about all.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
The time point being if they don't make the trade
for Odell Beckham junior, Robert Woods goes down with the
injury and they don't have anybody. And even worse, Selexis
he's a Packer And guess what. The Packers lost a
which close game in the snow to the forty nine ers.

(39:04):
Remember that, I think Odell is enough for them to
win that game. And then you're probably playing the Packers
in a rematch in the NFC title game. And guess
what you're not hosting that you're going to lambeau Field.
So you see how things can change even if you
take one thing away. And so sitting here right now

(39:28):
and saying they don't need a wide receiver. They got
Tyler Johnson and the Marcus Robinson too to out I
love too too out Well. I don't want this to
take anything away from at well playing time wise or anything,
but if Odell wants to come back to the Rams
for the veteran minimum. How do you not bring him back?
Familiarity right, I mean that's huge. He gets along great

(39:53):
with the head coach, the quarterback, the rapport with the quarterback,
Cooper Cup.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
He's still a explosive.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Had over sixteen yards per reception last year for the
Baltimore Ravens, and people are gonna tell me he's washed
because the reality that the Dolphins never used him. He
had fifty five yards. They threw the ball to him
like eleven times. So I don't know. I think if

(40:20):
if the Rams could make it happen and he wanted
to come back, I would do it. I think the
biggest issue is what number is he going to wear?
That's the biggest issue for me. I can't figure it out.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, because, yeah, three thirteen he can't beat. I mean,
twenty three is taken. But you know, I don't think
a receiver can be in twenties.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
And I agree with this.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
It's simple, but it's effective, great for red zone touchdowns.
He can be an option. He all he has to
do is be a sub package option.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
I think he is. He can.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
He still has that explosion. He had a ninety plus
yard game against the Rams last year. When he's on
the ras and he had one hundred plus yard game
against the Bengals in Week eleven last year. So this
guy still offers that the Dolphins just never used him
and they drafted a young player in Elik Washington who
they'd rather give him reps to. So they had a plan,

(41:15):
they didn't fall through on it, they changed it, and
Odell in them are parting ways mutually. So Odell's either
going to go to the Chiefs, the Rams, the Ravens,
or the Bills. In my opinion, maybe the Eagles, maybe
the Lions, but that's how I feel.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
It's going to be a contender.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
And if he wants to go back to the Rams,
they held his locker almost the entire twenty twenty two
season for him, so you never know.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Well, on that note, what do you think about the
Aaron Donald talk, because I feel differently about that.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Yeah, it's gone, it's over.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
People need to grieve now.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Obviously there will always be that little flicker inside, right.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Well, he can't come back. I don't know if you
saw that.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
I didn't. I just I'm like, saw.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Oh, yeah, no, that he can't come back because it's
after Week thirteen, that was the deadline for a retired
player on the retired list to come back, and so
this is how they would have to do it. This
is why he wouldn't come back, because if he wanted
to play for the Rams, do you know what they
have to do?

Speaker 4 (42:20):
They have to wave him. He has to clear waivers.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
And if I'm the forty nine ers, like are you
kidding me, I'm claving Aaron Donald, who would be ahead
of the Rams in the waiver wire. And even still
you'd have the Buccaneers below the Rams and the waiver
wire and they're in the playoff race. So the point
is you wouldn't get him back. And there's actually precedence
for this because when Deon Sanders retired and he was

(42:46):
on the at the time Washington Redskins injured reserve list
or an injured reserve retired list, they released him so
he could go to the Raiders, and the Chargers claimed him.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
That's what would happen.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
So the Rams, unfortunately, which I just think it's they
probably already reached out to Donald and he said no.
But this is why, for those of you who are
asking why in my video, I said, the dream is dead.
This is why this has been a long form fan theory.
And I'm gonna say something very controversial. I don't think
they need Aaron Donald to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
I don't. I don't. Would it be fun, yes, but
I don't think they need him at all.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
I love the way the defensive front has come along.
They don't need him. I'm moved on. I moved on
when he retired. I can't stress that enough. I'm a
believer in just whoop. And that's what I did.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Well.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah, I didn't see that or know that process, you know,
but I regardless, I was of the mindset that you know,
he seemed very at peace with retiring, and I feel
like people need to just like him, you know, have
have his next chapter of his life. He's very adamant

(44:05):
about his desires, and you know, obviously it made us
all sad. But I just you know, I I don't
foresee even if he could come back and play, I
don't foresee that happening. But we do miss him a
lot and always will because there will never be another
Aaron Donald. I'm not even close. But you know, the

(44:27):
defensive line that we have now is certainly I think
making him proud right now.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I mean, these young guys you.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Know out there, and the performance they had yesterday and
many of the performances they've had over the season have just.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Been really fun to watch. So yeah, I think you're.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Right, as crazy as it is that I don't think
the Rams need Aaron Donald.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
No, they they don't.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
It feels weird to say that, but hey, it's just
a testament to the scouting department being able to, you know, really,
you know, just get home the fact that Verse and
Fisk sell that to the Rams brass and of course
they're able to come to that conclusion, and they did
whatever they could to get these guys. I mean, keep

(45:11):
in mind, they stayed pat for Jared Verse. They got
lucky he fell into their lap, while they also tried
to trade multiple times up in the draft. But in
the second round, that was them not getting lucky. That
was them being aggressive. Sometimes when you want something, you're
gonna pay a little bit extra. Maybe you pay for
that extra expedited shipping. Maybe in terms of you and

(45:32):
I the door Dash or the Uber Eats, we pay
for that like express where we know though, okay, they're
gonna have two to three stops. I don't want my
food to be cold. I want it right this second,
so I'll pay the extra five dollars to That is
essentially what the Rams did to get Brandon Fisk. They
weren't gonna wait. If they waited, you run the risk,

(45:54):
could he have fallen. They traded twelve spots up. I'll
tell you to this day, people say it, and I said,
at the time, people said it was a reach. You
were a really big fan of it. But I also
liked it, And I said, people were going to say
this is a reach, but they clearly had intel he
was not going to make it to their pick, and

(46:14):
so they did their damnedest to get him.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
And guess what.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
In my opinion, those are the two best rookie defensive
players in the league right now. I mean, you could
make an argument the corner, you know, Quinny and Mitchell,
and even both corners in Philly are up there, you
know with Dejene. But I feel really confident in saying
that the two Rams right now that they've just kind

(46:38):
of changed the game. Because when you have those two
and you got a Kobe Turner and you got to
Byron Young, and you start to have things come together,
and that's how you start to take your franchise to
the next level. The thing that about the whole forty
nine ers game, and you could see it with Diamador
Lenor's like absolutely as a nine in incredibly ignorant comments saying,

(47:06):
you know, like I forget exactly what he said about Cup,
but it was really boneheaded and I'll probably be able
to find it here.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Yeah, the conditioning thing.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Look, I've never seen an organization talk more shit, not organization,
but the players of an organization talk more shit after
they lose than any team. Quite honestly, I don't remember
seeing a team that lost talk shit until the forty
nine Ers did against the Eagles, who destroyed him.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
So I don't know what that is. That culture has
to change.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Kyle Shanahan has to, you know, really look in the
mirror and look at what his best friend Sean McVay
is doing, because I can tell you they closed the gap,
and they need to look over at the other sideline
say hmm, what are we missing?

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Why did we just lose this team twice?

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Because I could tell you it's not just the injury, okay,
and you could say they got lucky the first time,
but what about this time on your turf with you're
backed against the wall, you gave it, you're all and
you lost. And to me, it just this is why
I'm not going to focus too much on the Niners culture.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
But say, the Rams are trending in the right direction.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
And while everyone was so big about, you know, complaining
about their f them picks, literally in the middle of
them complaining about it, Alexis, the Rams were rebuilding on
the fly and if you didn't notice it, you were
too blind to see it. But it doesn't matter because
they're eight and six right now, and they might be,
you know, two wins away from clinching this division depending

(48:41):
on how the Seattle game goes with the Packers and
the Vikings not going to be an easy next two
games for Seattle.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Well, that's right, And to close out this episode, I
wanted us to talk kind of about these scenarios and
you know, what needs to happen in order for the
Rams to clinch a playoff spot. And this is always
something that you're you're really good at with like remembering
seating and numbers and all that, and that's a little
over my head, but I will say this, so we
know that that Seattle plays the Packers is Sunday night.

(49:13):
Don't shoot the messenger, guys. But I think that it's
trending that I think the Seattle could win this game.
I have I think, you know, they're playing at home.
It's a very difficult environment to play in Seattle. The
Packers have not have been really hot and cold as
of late, but they've really been struggling, and I just

(49:35):
I feel like this is going to be a game
the Seahawks are going to win. So assuming that the
Seahawks win on Sunday, Jake, that would put them at
nine and five, we're still at eight and six. My
understanding is, you know, we got to take a look
at the Washington Commander's game, but they're probably also going
to win against the Saints because in my mind, and

(49:59):
I'll let you talk about the mathematical scenarios of this
in a second, from what I'm seeing, looks like the
Commanders and the Packers. Obviously, aside from the NFC West,
we need them all to do poorly. But aside from
the NFC West, I think it's the Commanders and the
Packers who we need to start losing.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
So the Commanders are like a fail safe right if
they lose the Rams have that wild card to fall
back on, but you gotta win the division. You want
that home playoff game. So it's really simple. The Rams
control their own destiny. There are three more games on
the season.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Whoo.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
The season flew by, and at the same time, it
didn't felt very excruciating at points like the one and
forced point in the season. But just look at that
seven last nine. The Rams have won it to put
them in this situation. So the next three games Jets
at MetLife. Sean McVay, I don't believe has ever lost

(51:00):
at MetLife Stadium, so he's had a lot of success there.
I've been in every game and I haven't seen a loss,
so he's had a lot of success there. That Giants
game last year, twenty six, twenty five, don't take it
for granted, because I'm telling you right now that Jets
game is going to be in that same mold.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
I really think that's going to be a cold weather game.
Don't believe me.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Go outside right now in upstate New York and it
is really cold. I'm sure it's even colder in the city.
So are near the city because they're in Jersey. But
keep that in mind. That is going to be a
tough game. Although one thing I will say, if you
want to take this to the bank, about why you
should feel comfortable about it. Matthew Stafford has never played

(51:43):
well against Wink Martindale and when they played against the
Giants last year, that was Wank Martindale's defense that you know,
three turnovers whatever. Wanke Martindale is not the defensive coordinator
in this one. So we'll see how it goes. I
do think it'll be close. Then you have Arizona. Arizona's
fan base doesn't travel well to so far.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
I know it's not that far away.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
I know some people are gonna say what fan base,
but all in actuality, the Rams will not have to
play with a silent count. If we're just being real
for two seconds, we know the Rams will not have
to play with a silent count against Arizona. That will
feel like a playoff game because Arizona needs that. The

(52:26):
Rams they could be trying to clinch the playoffs in
that game. So you take care of those two. Guess
what the Rams record is ten and six. They are
knocking on the door at that point. If they win
those two games, with a date against Seattle in week
eighteen at Sofi Stadium. They are knocking on the door
at an eleven and six record, which would be better

(52:49):
than last year.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
So I'm just saying it started off poor.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
But the Rams have a chance to not only have
a better record than last year, but get that third
se and host a playoff game. They could get the
four seed and host a playoff game. And really what
you're looking at, Green Bay could be an opponent, and
I'm sure they'd love to get revenge twenty four to
nineteen loss without Cooper Cup who knakua, bunch of other guys.

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I mean, Logan Brust was starting and he's not even
on the team anymore. Let's put it that way. So
twenty four to nineteen against the Packers, you could have
a rematch. You could see Rams commanders. That would be interesting,
Sean McVay going against this former organization. You could have
a Rams Seahawks rematch from week eighteen, like where they

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basically just stay at Sofi Stadium. So really interesting stuff there.
I think that those are really the only likely ones,
but the wild card is open as a fail safe.
I'm just saying the way the Rams are playing right now,
winning seven of the last nine.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
You gotta just win the division Alexis.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
You gotta get it done and get that home playoff game,
get some momentum, and you could have the home playoff
game in the divisional round, depending on how things go
in the wild card.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
So yeah, so here's the thing. I actually I think
the Rams went out. I'll see you too, now, I
think they went out. You know, you brought up some
good points about the game against the Jets.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
I do think that they beat the Jets. It sounds
like you do too.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
But that is the one that I think would be
just the circumstances. I mean, in away game, freezing cold,
you know at MetLife, that would be the one.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
I guess that you know, people, you know, if people
wanted to pick a game to worry about.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
But I still think that they went out. But I
guess they could, you know, trying to do the math
in my head, there's a few situations where they could
not went out obviously and make it. Yeah, I would
be very curious. So it sounds like you would like

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to play the Packers.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Oh, I don't care who they play. I think they'll
beat anybody.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
I do too, But I still if I'm a gambling
betting person. I would like the Rams to probably play
the Commanders out of the group that we just mentioned.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
I so I'm telling you now, and they'll they'll appreciate
this because a lot of them are Dodger fans. Gary
on Yankees Unloaded, was like, what do you who do
you want the Yankees to play in the World Series?
And I said, I am not answering this because he
was like, I want to play the Dodgers. I was like,
I'm not answering this because this never goes the way
I wanted to. I literally and to this day I

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regret it. Twenty eighteen, we could have had Rams chiefs.
I think the Rams win that Super Bowl, and I
rooted because I wanted revenge so bad from my childhood
being ruined by Tom Brady.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
I wanted the Patriots to win.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
I rooted for the Patriots in the AFC Title Game
to get revenge.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
I will never do it again. I do not pick
teams to I want.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
To beat them or they're easier, because it always blows
up in your face. I'll never forget twenty seventeen. Everyone's like, oh,
the Rams drew the Falcons, like that's an easy win
and I'm sitting there like, no, it's not.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
They were just in the Super Bowl last year. Are
you kidding me? Like what are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (56:21):
And sure enough, veteran Falcons team comes in, asserts their
dominance at the coliseum and they win that game. I
know a lot of people bring up Pharoh Cooper's three fumbles,
but still I will not I'll not do it.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
But I get what you're saying though. It makes sense.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Go against Jordan Love or go against a rookie who's
never seen anything like the pressure he's gonna see in
a playoff game, like Jayden Daniels. I understand why you would,
you would say Washington, I do, but.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Yeah, well, I mean I I agree with you. I
think they they could beat anybody, But I do think
about that. I think the most likely scenarios they play
the Packers, Like I think, like you know, doing the math,
it's probably the Packers. It would be really interesting if
it was the Seahawks, like you said, playing back to
back weeks.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
They beat them once three times in a season, like
was it twenty No? Not at twenty it was, well, no,
they beat him. They didn't beat him three times, but
they beat them in the playoffs in twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
You brought that up.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
I don't know if you realized, but that's the last
time Darius Williams had a pick with the Rams.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
That game.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
But then Alexis the Saint Louis Rams. They beat the
Seahawks three times in a season. Wasn't that when they
got molly wopped by the Falcons? I might have been
It's like forty five to seventeen, and my little self
totally thought they had a chance, and like TJ. Duckett
was like nope, and Michael Vick and Warwick done, and

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I was like, I hate this.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
I don't know if it was that.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
It could have been the Carolina year too, I can't remember.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Now.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
I'm just laughing. Jake would be laughing at these comments.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
I am April Bloodgate. I'm laughing at that already.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
No, no, no, no, no, no. People were just joking.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
I was like when people they're talking about negativity and
I was like, I'm not negative.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
I just sound like this.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
I'm happy. It's just the way that I talk. Yeah, well,
you and I both have the Rams winning out, so
we agree on that, and I think that, Yeah, I
think they can beat anybody. You know, I obviously just think,
you know, you can't take any game for granted, because
even though we're saying this, the Rams can't think like that.

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They can't get too confident.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
And then, yeah, we know what happens that It was
two thousand and five, by the way, I just found it. Yeah,
the Rams two thousand and four team beat Seattle's never
beaten the Rams in the playoffs, by the way, they're
zero and two against the Rams. Found really interesting, And
I was right, I got it right, except the the

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scorer is wrong. So the Rams beat the Seahawks in
the wild card that year. So they won three games
against the Seahawks. By the way, this is weird. They
won an overtime game against the Jets to go to
the playoffs, so I'm just saying, but yeah, but they

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lost to the Falcons forty seven to seventeen. That did
happen in the divisional round? Good lord? Yeah, Michael Vick
only had eighty two passing yards, but he ran for
one hundred and nineteen. Or Done ran for one hundred
and forty two, and TJ. Duckett ran for sixty six.
They ran all over the Rams anyway, Memory Lane.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
I think a good way.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
I see, I don't I vaguely remember, like I don't
really remember that game, just like very vaguely. I might
have blacked it out, like in my mind. Oh it
was bad, Like there's been several It's like there's certain
seasons of the Rams that I've had, like I think
a trauma response from back in the Saint Louis days,
and I just don't remember those games.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
I thought they were going to win because they had
a touchdown to like pretty much to start the first
like the drive, and then I remember Kevin Curtis caught
like a huge he had a huge play scores a
touchdown seven to seven.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
I'm like, all right, this is gonna be back and forth.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
And then they took a twenty one to seven lead,
and then Tory Holt caught a touchdown, but then they
gave up a punt return to Alan Rossum and I
just remember them not being able to shut down the
Falcons after that, and they just steamrolled the Rams in
the I think it was the third quarter where it
just thirty five to seventeen into forty seven to seventeen

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just like that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
So yeah, I'm remembering so uh my mind, I don't
remember know why this particular Saint Louis Rams game was devastating.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
To me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
But do you remember the London game Sam Bradford against
the Patriots, right, it was against it? Yeah, it was
like forty.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
I'll never forget it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
They throwed Bob, Chris Givens catches the touchdown, They're up
seven to nothing, and my delusional little kid, you know head,
was like, oh wow, we're gonna beat Tom Brady and
the Patriots in this game in London.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
They won like forty nine to seven.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I just looked it up. It was forty five to seven.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
I just I don't know why I have such a
vivid memory of that game because it was like nothing special.
Was like I was just watching the game with my dad,
like at home, Like it wasn't oh my god, so
a regular seaton. Maybe because it was in London and
the Rams were playing in London, whatever, but oh my god,
that was like that game literally sent me to a
really bad spiral.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
The seventh circle of Hell.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Yeah, literally, I mean I don't remember. I think there
was a play in particular where Sam Bradford got just
like blown up and it was like the nail in
the Shaku. I think I don't remember if it was
a sack or what it was, but it was so excruciating.
Maybe people in the chat remember that game, but if.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
You guys remember overtime against the Vikings, like Adrian Peterson,
they're like, he hasn't ever had a touchdown in overtime.
And there's Adrian Peterson and he's gone, and I'm like yeah.
And I was at a sports bar and everyone's like,
go way Pete, go, Wape go. I'm like, why is
everyone always rooting against my team even though we're terrible,
They're rooting against my team.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
But then things changed when they hired Sean McVay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Oh man, Yeah, we had to go. We had to
go through those character building years.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Enjoy this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Oh the case Ketom Giants game in London.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Case Keenum went okay, So that would have been two thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
And that was two thousand and sixteen sixteen. They were
three and one, I think, and then they had a
London game.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
I'm gonna look it up right now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
It was uh they literally they lost that game like
nineteen to twelve or nineteen of fifteen or some ugly score,
and they like should have won Okay, it was ten
to seventeen. They lost, and they were three and three
going into this game, and Case Keenum had he had

(01:03:41):
four interceptions and they should have won the game. He
threw over Tavon Austin's head. Like every time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
It's so disgusting to think of some of these offenses
that we witnessed during that time period, because now no, no,
no Super Cup and Pukakua and Karen Williams, and it's like,
do you remember, like Case Keenum throwing over tab On Austin's.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Said, fifteen targets, ten catches for fifty sevens?

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Oh no, chills done?

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
Oh man?

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Who the quarterback?

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
I guess the last Yeah, Case Keenum would have been
the last quarterback that I saw at the Dome.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
I saw Case Keenum in his last game as the
Rams starting quarterback. It was the Jets game that the
last game they won in Week ten.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
They won that game nine to six, very much like
last night, except the defense wasn't the reason they won.
It was just horrible offensively. It's just like, oh, good lord,
I see Marty Gilliard.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
Hey, Brian, I agree with you. I thought, Terryll here's the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Thing I thought, Dinari Alexander was like the most special
receiver I'd ever seen, because I'll never forget the diving
catch he had against the Chargers and I was like,
this guy is the greatest thing ever. And then he
got hurt and I was depressed, like literally depressed. And
then Jeff Fisher cuts him and he goes to the

(01:05:14):
Chargers with Philip Rivers and just is the best receiver
in the league and like an eight game span, and
then he gets hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
We never see him again.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
If that guy had if he didn't have eight knee operations,
he could have been like a stud receiver in this league,
no doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
I mean, yeah, the Rams have had so many promising
I feel like receivers.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
I mean probably did.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
There just wasn't a lot of development and there's no
offensive line.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Yeah, I mean, the uh, tav On Austin career is
always gonna hurt. I mean he was, he did have
Like I think people are too hard on Tavon Austin.
I think the problem with Tavon Austin is people thought
he was gonna be Yeah that they you know, like
Randy Moss, Like the excitement around tave On Austin was palpable.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
I mean, trust me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
I was like there was like tave On Austin like
Jerseys everywhere in Sane Louis at the time is where
I was living.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
And like at school, and it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Was like everybody like and I actually hear this from
a lot of non Rams fans, like that Temon Austin
College highlights are like legendary. Everybody was like watching those
every day till his rookie debut. So like, you know,
I think he had a little bit of an an
insane expectation on him and he's still Yeah, I think

(01:06:35):
he still had his you know, I think he had
he did a had a decent career for a bit,
but he was never like the second coming of you know,
Randy Moss or whatever it is that people were expecting
Jerry Rice. But I saw someone mentioned Stedmand Bailey in
the chat. Yeah, remember, like like there was a time

(01:06:57):
like Tevon and Stedman Bailey, Like what a.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
Duo I'll never forget having.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
So like, the expectations, for whatever reason, were so high
in twenty eleven. Going into that year, Spagnola was a
rookie head coach and he had just in the past
year and they had just lost hostile environment last game
of the year Sunday Night football, to go to the
playoffs against Seattle and it's like, oh, they're gonna be better.

(01:07:26):
Bradford won Rookie of the Year and they just got
because they keep in mind they lost Shermer. He goes
and becomes the head coach for the Browns weird time.
And then they go out and they get Josh McDaniels
to be their offensive coordinator, and everyone's like, well, Josh McDaniels,

(01:07:47):
he was the offensive coordinator for the Patriots, so it's
automatically gonna work, no doubt about it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
And yeah it didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
I remember the Eagles game thirty one thirteen not being close,
but then it was the Giants game where their offense
actually looked like they had a chance of being good.

Speaker 4 (01:08:09):
And then Danny A.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
Mindola's elbow went to East Jesus nowhere we still don't
know where his elbow was and got dislocated so bad
that ESPN on the broadcast wouldn't show it. Yeah, and
after that, Sam Bradford dealt with the high ankle spray
in the entire year. The whole year he was banged up,

(01:08:32):
and they won two games. And one of those games
I remember being at a sports bar watching was against
the Browns and it was maybe the worst game in.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
The history of ever. It was thirteen to twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
I so bad. Well, I was looking at some of
these comments.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Someone said mob squad and I was like, oh, that
was a really fun era.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
That was a really fun era. I was.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
I had like mob Squad T shirts and everything, and
I was actually thinking this. I think I can name
every single person that started on that defensive line, and
you guys can tell me if I'm wrong, because I
think there's only gonna be one player I'm gonna miss.
So up front, left to right, you've got Chris Long,
Aaron Donald, Michael Brockers, Robert Quinn. Because this is back
when you we played like a more of a well

(01:09:25):
kend of Langford like Willie Hayes would sometimes rotate into
but like starting to come out. That's who you had
up front.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
The Sims. I see him in the comments section.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Yep, oh yeah, Eugene Sims was also wow. So that
was a fun up up front. Been in the middle,
you obviously a James loriniis middle linebacker on that So
this is where I get tripped up because him like
you had shoot you com who I think might have

(01:09:55):
been a rookie if he wasn't as like his first
year you had a Keen Eyres and had Mark Baron.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Yeah, Ebukam was a twenty seventeen pick. And you're talking
about the last year Saint Louis team.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Oh so okay, so he wasn't there yet twenty sixteen,
So James Laurnidis, I think you had a Keen Iyers
starting on one side, you'd Mark barn on the other.
I forget who the other middle linebacker was. It's the
one that I think I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
I think that you're right is the key Mayers.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
No, I thought he was in that was he? Oh wait,
he was in the middle.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Because they used well they used Mark Baron. I mean
they ran a four to three, so they had James
Laurnais in twenty fifteen. I believe they had a Keen
Heirs and the Baron. They had Baron.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Yeah, so okay, So then that was the three. So
then in the secondary at.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
Quote Joeln Dunbar that's you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Yes he was there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
But in the back you had a corner you had
Trumaine Johnson and Janoris Jenkins, which was like a really
underrated duo. Then it's secondary. You had t J mclloyd
and uh McDonald.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
And flanking on his first name, Oh you're talking.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
And t J McDonald and there's got to be there
was Tody Davis to Cody Davis I think was there?
Uh he was a third safety.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Remember when Jeff Fisher would just bring guys over from tennis.
It was like a running gag, like Ayers Courtland Finnegan
way past his prime, Jacob Bell, I believe at one
point the offensive guard, Oh, Jared Cook, I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
Kenny Britt.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
But when they thought they drafted less Need said that
they drafted Brian Quick because he reminded him of Vincent Jackson.
Rest in peace, Vincent Jackson, absolute stud But yeah, it's
uh man, it's crazy. I still remember being excited for
samkin Gotto.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Do you remember him? The run back, running back?

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
I don't know that got it. That doesn't really ring
a bell, but I do.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
I do have a special nostalgia for the mob Squad
era because that was like kind of like right when
social media, when sports teams started really getting into like
Instagram and Twitter. A little bit later but that was
like the first they'd kind of been on Facebook, and
then the Rams were super active on Instagram and so
all the players got Instagram and so, but not a

(01:12:29):
lot of like people had it. So like guys like
Chris Long and Jenores Jingins and Tremaine Johnson and like
Willie Hayes would like mess like if you commented on stuff,
like they'd reply back to you. So it was like
a super interactive era that you don't really have anymore
because now everybody has social media and it's totally changed.
But it was so common, like after like a big

(01:12:50):
win from the Rams for me to get on Instagram
and like comment and these guys to just like right back.
Like it was just a really different time. So it
was it was really fun.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Most random fact ever, but I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Jacob Bell owned a good vegetarian restaurant in downtown San Diego.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
Now that is pretty awesome. Oh, oj A Togway.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
I always made the joke because oj A Toagway had
this long contract that they gave him. He was supposed
to be like well into the Sean McVay era on
the Rams. His contract I think was up in twenty
eighteen or twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Adam Rchiletta.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
He's in, he's in the broadcast booth now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Yeah, Richie Incognito.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
Brandon Montamalaiuna, Yeah, yeah, I saw Ty Hill.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
Oh my god, I remember that Ty Hill. I remember
it all. I remember Trunk candidate. I remember.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Oh they drafted oh Keenan Burton from Kentucky. I think
that was the same draft they got Marty Gilliard in
from Cincinnati. Already saw somebody mention Gilliard, Ram Legend, Matt
long Acre.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Somebody asked a comment for us to name the offensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
But I didn't say what era. They just said.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
I interviewed Jimmy Kennedy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
So the end of So I'm gonna blank on this
because ironically, so I just remember the like Roger Saffold
was there at the end, rob Havenstein.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Obviously, yeah, and then center was Scott Wells. They got
him from the Yeah, they got him from the Packers.
So Scott Wells.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Harvey Dahl, Harvey Dall was Greg Robinson still there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Yeah, he was there.

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
They drafted him in twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
That.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
They drafted him in twenty fourteen, so yeah he was there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that was.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
I loved Harvey Dall, but yeah, mostly and obviously Saffled
and Hamenstein.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
But Jake Long, Jake Long, I don't know if.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
He was still there twenty fifteen. I don't think so.
Oh that's Tim Barnes. Yeah, he might have been this,
Scott Wells or Tim Barnes.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
It was one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Greatest show on turf day is better offensive line?

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
Oh yeah, I mean Andy McCollum, who we've interviewed, Adam
Timmerman land see or obviously Orlando Pace in the so
the great show on turf I think, oh god, what's
his name? The other guy was a Jayhawk and I

(01:15:53):
can't remember his name. And you had Newton, Tom Newton
as well. I cannot remember the guy who started at
right tackle, Fred Miller.

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
Yep, Fred Miller is his name? Ryan Tucker? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
And then the running backs.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Somebody brought up Zach Stacy and Benny Cunningham.

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
Yeah, well Stacy, Trey Mason.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Not good stories.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
No, No, John Saint Clair I remember him. You remember
James Hodgens. His son's Isaiah Hodgens. Oh, James hodgenss the
full back after I think it was after Robert Holcombe.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
If you remember.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
Him kind of see. I think I started following a
little bit after m hm. I mean I was going
to all the games, but like really following.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
They traded Kevin Carter away I believe, or he just
he signed somewhere Kyle Turley for yeah, Kyle Turley and
Mike Martz. I'm pretty sure I got into like a
legitimate fight or something. I don't remember what it was,
but that's why he wasn't there that long.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
I don't want to reveal where anybody lives, no, I'll yeah,
you know, I've already told you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Joey Goodspeed, I remember him. I don't know why. I
just was talking about Ernie Conwell earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Today, somebody brought up Michael Sam.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Michael Sam, Michael Sam.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
I remember Michael Sam. I remember Ethan Westbrooks in that
same draft class.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Yeah, in Westbrooks. That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
I got a picture with him.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
It was after the Rams Packers game in the friends
and family section. RWO hooked me up. I went back
there and Ethan Westbrooks recognized me. I don't know why
he recognized me to this day. I was not This
is twenty eighteen, so I mean I was just writing,
so how would he have known what I look like?

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
But yeah, uh fa Nick Fairley, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
We're reading comments, but some of these are comments. By
the way, for everyone listening to audio.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Brady Pupinga, Oh remember a Ram's legend Wes Welker.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Yeah, I was thinking about that, Like, well, I wasn't
thinking about Wes Welker. That was a very weird, very
May nineteen Danny Ammondola I loved people forget, like people
forget that where Danny's roots in the NFL were.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
It's so true. It's so true they forget.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
They always think of him as the Patriot. But you
know what, you guys weren't around, you know, these non
Rams fans, I say, you guys weren't around uh in
the Danny og days in Saint Louis. That's where he
got to start.

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
Bryce Hager, I liked Bryce Hager.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Yah, I liked Bryce Hager.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Brandon Lloyd, Oh yeah, oh Brandon Lloyd. When they brought
him in, it was like way more fun to watch him.
It's just it's how I felt when like right before
the season they got Mark Clayton and like he just
had this rapport with Stafford good God, Bradford both have

(01:19:11):
forwarded him. Uh you got had this rapport with Bradford
like right away, and I just felt like they had
this great connection. And then he got hurt and I
was just like, oh my god, fun fact. Who remembers
the wide receiver Sam Bradford through his first career touchdown

(01:19:32):
passed two. I'll never forget this one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Oh my god, I can picture it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
I know the answer, but I don't want to spoil it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Wasn't it a tight end? No, no, it was a receiver.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
Nope, someone said London Fletcher. No, it wasn't London Flesher. No,
I'm messing with you though. They were just reminiscing, just
to confirm.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
I know exactly what.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Has anyone in the chat guessed it?

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
No one's guessed it yet.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Oh okay.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
I was just gonna read something from the chat and
see who got it? All right, Jake, just tell us
because I don't want to cheat, but.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
I'm rob got it. Casey got it, Laurent Robinson. And
it was like a one yard touchdown pass. It was
it was literally a one yard touchdown, Pa, let's go.
I remember this to this day and I was like, Wow,
that's gonna be a trivia question someday and it never was.

(01:20:39):
So for the first time ever, I guess that's a
trivia question. I didn't think I'd be asking it on
my own show, but you know, here we are.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Who is that? As Christopher Wright? Was that against the Cardinals?
I feel like I'm not it was.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Yeah, the Rams were down ten to three. I believe
this was in Arizona. No, it was in Saint Louis
ken and Hunt versus Steve Spagnolo era. Derek Anderson was
the quarterback because this was after Kurt Warner.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Yeah, Bradford rolled over to his right and threw a
touchdown to Laurent Robinson from what I remember. And then
Laarron went to the Dallas Cowboys and had some random
heater when he had like a six straight game one
hundred and twenty plus yard a game like performance with

(01:21:34):
the with Tony Romo and the Cowboys. It was so
weird because he was kind of disappointing. They expect him
to be really good. In that game. Jackson ran for
eighty one yards and twenty two carries. Mark Clayton, this
guy was a throwaway by the Ravens. They're like, oh,
you want him by all means. Mark Clayton had sixteen

(01:21:56):
targets from Sam Bradford for ten and one hundred and
nineteen yards. Crazy Danny Amidola caught six for sixty seven.
Laurent Robinson caught three for eighteen in a touchdown. Billy
Bajima and Daniel Fels were also receivers in that game.

(01:22:18):
Marty Gilliard got a target, did not catch, and Holman
now Anwi he had eight yards on a catch. Yeah, crazy,
Kenneth Darby, Mike Carney. I chatted with Mike Carney a
bit on the pod that was a while ago. I

(01:22:40):
don't remember Sam Bradford having a horrible rookie game, though
he had three interceptions.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
I think he did.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
I don't remember he had three picks.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know that he ever had
like a a bad I don't remember his rookie year
being painful.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
And because of that, I remember it them picking, Oh
my god, and over time when they punted it right,
like you just see nobody around and it's just Patrick
Peterson his rookie year. They punt it a line drive
to him and you're like, and there's just all this
grass and you're like we just lost.

Speaker 4 (01:23:17):
It was like, you can't be serious.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Do you remember.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
Speaking of quarterbacks when we had so Austin somebody mentioned
Austin Davis earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
I don't know why. I just always liked Austin Davis.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
I became a false defender of his and I just like,
even when he didn't play well, I just was fiercely
like behind him because I felt bad for him.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
But who was the other backup that you have?

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
You have no idea.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
I used to get in the fights with Miles Simmons
the Rams when he was reporting for the Rams. I
would tell him he didn't know what he was watching
when I was a kid, because I was like, Austin
Davis is the best quarterback we've had since Mark Boulger.
And he's like, yeah, that that's why he is literally
the third string quarterback right now. I was like, you

(01:24:03):
just watch, he's gonna come in there, and he's and
then sure enough he got the opportunity and he's like, yeah,
but this is why they need to get case Keenum.
I'm like, so yeah. Miles Simmons and I never got
along in that regard. Obviously, I respect him now and everything.
And I was just a little kid. But yeah, Austin
Davis was always hated. But I would always have the

(01:24:25):
context of they had him rolling out, they had him
doing seven step dropbacks, no offensive line, no run game
to speak of, right and all of a sudden, we're
watching this guy do Russell Wilson things. He had three touchdowns,
should have been four. Against the Dallas Cowboys, Jerry Cook
drops potentially a game winner. He goes over there and

(01:24:47):
just shoves Austin Davis on the sidelines. Will Hayes almost
killed him on the sidelines.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
I remember that. But Austin Davis gave us hope.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
It was like you're watching him and you're like, okay, yeah,
Sean Hill came in and you're like, oh, like no,
like you know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
That's what I was thinking of. By the way, it
was somebody who dropped it in the in the.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
Yeah, you know what ended up Ben Hill, the death
of Austin davis Rams career, when Sean Hill was literally
sitting there being the most NPC And with all due respect,
I have no issue with Sean Hill personally or anything
like that, but Sean Hill did nothing against the Raiders
that they won fifty two to nothing, and that was

(01:25:26):
the end of Austin Davis, Jeff Fisher was never gonna
switch the quarterback. And of course, you know Sean Hill
struggled after that, and that is what it is. But
you and I would have gotten along very well before
LA because I was the biggest Austin Davis fan and defender.
And I still think to this day Frank Signetti just

(01:25:50):
did him no services with that offense. And keep in mind,
they changed the way they called plays when Austin Davis
was benched for Sean Hill. So when Sean Hill came in,
now all of a sudden, they're having an offense. They're
they're running the football. They're not asking Sean Hill to
carry the team. But when Austin Davis was in there,

(01:26:12):
they're like, yeah, seven step dropbacks. Uh, you're gonna have
to turn into Russell Wilson for us to win this game.
Sewn Hill, They're like, yeah, designed like you know, one
read to read different plays and just throw to your
check down and hand it off to Trey Mason or
Zach Stacy and let them do the rest. And I'm like,

(01:26:34):
you didn't you never let It's like, you never let
Austin Davis do that.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
So yeah, I always had an issue with that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
I was a fierce defender of his. And you know
who else was on that roster at receiver. Do you
remember Austin Pettis.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
I loved Austin Pettis.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
I loved Austin Pettis.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
His family is so nice. By the way, Yes, yes,
his brother's still playing. He lost Darius Williams on the
two point conversion in New Orleans.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Yeah, Now I had a chance to meet his mom
at an RWO actually was a Lee Irvan's sixtieth birthday
party in LA and yeah, his momb was. I was
telling his mom, I'm like, yeah, Dante is like my
number one receiver coming out in the draft. And she's like, oh, yeah,
that's like my nephew like all that. So it was cool.

(01:27:28):
You know, they're cousins, Dante and Austin. But Austin his
dad was in Yeah, his dad was in the major
leagues baseball, Gary Pettis, he's still in. I'm pretty sure
he's a base coach. So that family has a lot
of athleticism. I can tell you that much. But yeah,
I remember, poor Austin Pettis dropped that pass on fourth

(01:27:53):
down against the Eagles and no one ever forgave him
for it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
And that's that was that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Do you remember EJ. Gaines.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
Yes, they traded him for Sammy Watkins. They traded him
and a second round pick for Sammy Watkins. I liked
him a lot, but he had a plantar fasciitis injury
and that ruined his Rams career and he ended up
getting traded.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
I mean a lot of people just he came out
of a miszoo, so he was like very popular already in.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
Saint Oh yeah, definitely, and then the.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Rams drafted him and so I just remember everybody was
super hype for him, but it just didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
He was good, but yeah, he got hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
And I mean there's you know, I think a lot
of these guys in closing because I mean, we just
keep but we could keep going on and on and on.
In closing, I would say a lot of these guys
had every opportunity to be really good except for the
opportunities that the Rams were giving them. Because I just
don't think I thought the coaching stat when Sean when

(01:29:00):
Todd Gurley said it was a high school offense in
twenty sixteen, remember him saying that I felt like Todd
Gurley was seeing what all these guys had to go through.
In the Sosar RAMS era. The coaching staff was not good.
They did not put these guys in the best position.
So a lot of these people thought these players sucked.
And I think a lot of these guys actually could

(01:29:22):
really play in this league. And well, yeah, I don't
think the drafting was all that great. Developing is just
as important as drafting, and if you can't develop the
talent you have, you're not gonna win. And that's the
difference between today and yesterday. And luckily we're not talking
about a six and eight RAMS team that you go

(01:29:45):
on the playoff machine and you need this team to
tie and this team to win, and this team to win.
We're talking about a team where if they just went
out and they win three more games, they're in the
playoffs again. And Sean McVay has only missed the playoffs twice.
One of those times every single injury that could have occurred,

(01:30:07):
and the second time was because honestly would have made
it in the seventeam format. It was the last year
of the sixteen format and he missed it by one game.

Speaker 4 (01:30:17):
So that's where we're at. Obviously, it is a reminder.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
It's nice to go down memory lane, even when it's painful,
but it's also smart to do it to just remind yourself.
You ever find yourself sitting there and saying, I want
to say, fire McVeagh, I'm just mad. Whatever, don't because
this is what they used to deal with twelve and
four or whatever. You know, thirteen and three, Yeah, that

(01:30:41):
wasn't a thing with the Saint Louis Rams, the so
Sar Saint Louis Rams. That was like one in fifteen. Oh,
here's Jason Smith, who, by the way, I know you've
been looking forward to, isn't going to work out two
and fourteen. Oh, by the way, here's Sam Bradford. I
know you're really excited about him, but he's gonna tear
his ace yel twice, including a freaking preseason game. When

(01:31:05):
your left tackle who you paid top dollar or two,
gives up a sack in pre season. It's it was
just like that. So I just say, be fortunate this
is the Rams now, and man, I'm glad it is.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
I mean, I'm just I want to say, I'm so
proud of the chat. Everybody's memory has just been on fire.
I know we've all collectively just remembered so many people.
I was like thinking, like, remember aj Feely being on
the Rams.

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
I have a story for you about that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
So you know, Peek, my best friend, he used to
go and watch the Rams games with me at the
sports bar, even when he was a Patriots fan and
thought he was a Giants fan all that. And on Halloween,
he instead of going and hanging out with you know,
our friend group, he came to watch the Rams with
me take on the Matt Moore Panthers. They had one team,

(01:32:03):
they had one win combined between the two teams, Aj
Pheely versus Matt Moore. I just it's still one of
those things to this day. I'm like, you know, that
was something else that was really just a different type
of era.

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
Was that two thousand and nine? By the way, I
think it was.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
I don't know what If that game was two nine
and ten, I'm pretty sure that aj Peely was like
the two thousand and nine twenty ten.

Speaker 4 (01:32:31):
Might have been two thousand and eight, then.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
Oh maybe maybe maybe is it Rams Panthers?

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
And then we'll wrap it up. Aj Pheey Matt Moore.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Google's asking me, why are you h Okay, okay, so
that was two thy ten.

Speaker 4 (01:33:02):
Let's see panthers. I'm not seeing it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
Yeah, I don't remember about that. I don't remember that game.
Somebody brought up Jake McQuaid and him, I just you
know him.

Speaker 4 (01:33:20):
And oh yeah the way.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not seeing it, but I mean
it's probably Jeff Wilkins. Yeah, yeah, no, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:33:34):
Damn. I saw Dane Luker earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
Yeah, I said, just so proud of the chat everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
We we've really gone down memory lane some brutal years
for all of us who are.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Around in that, in those eras. I mean, yeah, we
this is not the rich. It could be worse. That's
what I'm telling people like you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
You can be at the pits of Hell with the
rams will certainly have been. So.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
Yeah, that was twenty eleven, and I guess I I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
I think there's a Mandela effect going on because I
remember it differently. I definitely don't remember this being a
preseason game because I went to the sports bar to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
I guess it was. That would make so much sense
why it was Matt Moore versus a j Feely.

Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
No, but he actually ended up a J.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Feely started three games in twenty eleven. Kellen Clemens, Oh yeah,
Kellen tom brand Stater.

Speaker 5 (01:34:44):
That is.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
We've we've truly had a insane I mean the rides.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
Yeah, it's been an insane ride.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
Brock Berlin, Oh yeah, Todd Noel, Scott, Covington, I can't, Josh, Gordie,
Justin King, Justin Bannon, Fred Robbins, Leroy Glover, Quintin Michael Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:35:14):
I love Darien Stewart.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
He was great. Well, I thought he was great. I
don't know, he might have been really good, maybe not great.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
A lot of a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
Of these players in the Rams probably were a lot
better than they ended up being.

Speaker 4 (01:35:25):
But I agree James Hall really liked him.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
Yeah, damn well, guys, Yeah, as Jake said, and closing,
it's fun to have a little reminiscent segment of the
show and just.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Talk about how far a Kitzspatrick. Yeah, somebody said, C. J. Anderson.
I mean, yeah, the Rams have had like just a
very random mix of players.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
They really have. I mean they even had Broadway Joe
Joe Namath. It was horrible. He was absolutely terrible for
the Rams. But yeah, they had Joe Namath and they
had they had Kurt Warner. I'm pretty sure the running
back with a C did we I'm pretty sure remember

(01:36:19):
Kurt Warner wasn't even the first Kurt Warner. How about that.
I'm pretty sure Kurt Warner went to the Rams. He
did his last year in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
Kurt with a C was a RAM before Kurt with
a K. How about that?

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
Who would have thought there was two Kurt Warners. I
know they had some other guys that became Rams that
were like, why is this guy Ram? But I well,
Wes Welker is the one where you're like, what was
happening and why? Like the last four games all I

(01:36:55):
remember because no one would sign him because they were
worried about his uh his head injuries, and the Rams
signed him and they got so much flak for it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
Yeah, well I think that was more of like a
just to sign it. But he was a big name,
Sam Rogers, but guys, yeah, I think that's gonna do
it for us. Thank you for reminiscing Grant Winstrom. All
these names are coming in the chat.

Speaker 4 (01:37:26):
Yeah, Jeremetrius Butler, all right, I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
Well, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
As always, if you like what you hear, please like
and subscribe. You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram
at the less Craft super Chats.

Speaker 4 (01:37:42):
I don't want to I don't want to forget Hanks Superchats.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Pooka had over one hundred scrimmag yards on an off night,
Yes he did, and thank you for the five as well.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
Great divisional win.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
Looking forward to getting Higbee back, feeling good about where
we're at. Kiren ran hard and the defense balled out LEFG.
Appreciate you, Hank, and I agreeciate you, thank you, and Higbee.

Speaker 4 (01:38:05):
He'll be back.

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
So that's what it sounds like anyway, So really looking
forward to that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
But yeah, I'll let you close it out. I just
wanted to get to those.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Well, thank you again, Hank, really appreciate it. And then yeah,
you can follow me on Twitter at the Alexis Craft
on Instagram, I'm just Alexis Craft. Jake is on Twitter
and Instagram at JK Bogan And guys, we've got a
little mini bye week now, but we will be back,
you know a few days before a matchup against the
Jets to preview that. But as always, stay safe, take

(01:38:38):
care and go rams

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