Ep.562: Have the Rams done ENOUGH to OVERTAKE Philly in the NFC

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, guys, welcome back to Downtown Rams. As always,
I'm Alexis Kraft. Join here with my co host Jake
ellen Bogan and guys. Jake and I are laughing because
we were just having a good laugh before we went live,
just about being back. We're back. We've been on a

(00:20):
brief hiatus from the show, as we always do when
the season ends, you know, and as we get into
draft season, we get into like the off season. We're
going to recap that today. It's been a nice, like
little break. I mean not really for Jake, because you
do all the your other RAMS content, but for me,

(00:40):
I've been working on some other things not RAM related.
So now I get to dive back into the NFL space,
the RAM space, and get to talk RAMS with you
all and with Jake. Jake, we're starting. Now, what are
six or seventh?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Ah, don't make me do mad.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
We do this every time. We never remember. So Jake
and I yeah, host of this show in February twenty nineteen,
that's correct, So this that was I guess technically our
first season one, so you.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
So yeah, let's see three five? Yeah, So this would
be the sixth, the seventh, seventh.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Season, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
That is unless I can't do math, which is that
is very pop seventh.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
So you're right, no, it is the seventh.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
That's how you know you suck at math when the
comment section is doing it for you.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
It wouldn't be the first time that the comment section
has corrected me on math.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
On here it happens you're doing vocal warm ups, you
were like, I'm so glad to be back. Exactly. I
don't even know how you I don't even know what
that was, but it was funny.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I was just excited. I was just like, we're back.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
I think was it last season? I opened up our
first in regular season episode with guess who's back?

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yes, yes, I do remember that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
So I was trying to think of a different song
that I could do, and I was just letting it
come to me. I was just letting it come to me. Yeah.
As Christopher Smith in the comments just said, acting exercise,
that is correct. I have some really crazy acting exercises.
But that's that's a conversation for another day, Jake, because

(02:36):
tonight we are going to be talking about the Rams
off season. Yeah, everything that kind of encompasses that, because
you know the last episode we did was after the loss, uh,
you know, in the playoffs to Philadelphia. So now we're
in off season mode and a lot has happened Jake
in this off season for the Rams, and I think

(02:59):
we would be well, I don't know, you want to
go through this chronologically or how do you want to
do it? I mean we could just dive right in.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't have to be chronological. I
will say this, it's been two months and four days
since our last episode. Yeah, yep, I wonder if.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
That's the law. It's not. It can't be the longest part.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I don't think so, but it's definitely up there. I
would say, yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Because we usually do. We have the two hiatuses we
take in the year between the last game and then
when we get into like off season draft mode, usually
in March, and then the break that we take like
over the summer just before preseason, which is usually the
long hiatus.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, that's like the the June July. Yeah. Yeah, that's
that's one of those periods where you're like, well, at
least in my you know case, I'm just glad I
now cover baseball because during that time you could make
any content you want, people are not going to watch it.

(04:03):
I just I've learned that, like during June and July,
you have to assume that people are gonna be checked
out because there's nothing going on, there's no news, everyone's
on vacation. And then August comes and you're like, Okay,
now there's things to talk about again. So I'm glad
to be back, you know, because our show differs from

(04:25):
what I do on the channel, so it's just it's
a different experience all in itself. So I'm glad to
be doing this and just kind of looking at the
off season, Alexis, I think, really, you know, the title
of this, you know, the title of this live stream
is have the Rams done enough to overtake Philly in

(04:45):
the NFC? That's the goal. Philly essentially should be looked
at like the Dodgers are in baseball. They are the
top dog. They won the championship, but they beat you, right,
they beat you, and you outplayed them on their field
in horrible weather conditions. So everything you do, in my opinion,

(05:07):
as long as you are staying true to to actually
winning and you know, vying for a Super Bowl, you
should be trying to knock them off. So we're going
to get into whether or not you and I whether
or not we think they've done enough. There is the
NFL ar Yeah, there is the NFL Draft coming up. Uh,

(05:27):
so they can add other pieces to that. I guess
the first thing I wanted to add here, alexis they
move off Cooper cup Very early on they said they're
they're not bringing him back. They bring in Davante Adams.
They brought back to you too, outwill. They brought back
Matthew Stafford. That was not cut and dry to say,

(05:49):
So that's that.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Do we want to talk about that a little bit
because I think, like, you.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Know, well, sorry the Stafford's show.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Well yeah, because I think like you and I took
a lot of heat for that, and.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
I'm like, I think it was just to be expected,
you know.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah. I mean I just think, yeah, I guess, without
like giving away too much, I just think, like you said,
like that thing was not so cut and dry. And
I know I had a few messages that are like, oh, well,
you'll talk about it on the podcast. Then I was like, well,
we're on hiatus, Gary, We're on hiatus. Ron.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
You know, I don't know or Gary and Ron because
I'm sure there's some innocent people that you just hurt
their feelings. No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
It's so cruel of me. If I just started dropping
user names of people who sent me like outrageous messages during.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Imagine being somebody named Karen. Not every Karen is like that,
that's true, you know. But and same thing. Not every
Chad is a Chad. So you know, it's that's why
obviously the whole Not every Jake.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Is a Jake. We just had that conversation five minutes ago.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Don't remind me. Yeah, anyway, Yeah, I roll in a
half on Stafford. Yeah, I guess we'll go in chronological
or at least to the best of our ability, Matthew Stafford.
So at one point another you know, we're waiting to
hear if he's going to retire or not, right, and

(07:18):
then it comes out that Stafford is going to play,
and we all kind of assume, oh, he's gonna play
for the Rams, until it's not that he's going to
play for the Rams, and all of a sudden, the
Giants are you know, you got Malik Neighbors during the
Super Bowl media week saying dropping these hints about Stafford

(07:39):
and Cup going to the Giants, and that started a
whole thing. Then you have the Raiders get involved, the
whole Tom Brady fiasco. I mean, basically, I don't want
to speak for you, Alexis, because we talk to different people.
But as far as you know, the sources that I had,
you know, I was I was told that really Stafford,

(08:02):
he was gone. You know, it was gonna be really hard.
Something at the eleventh hour was gonna have to break.
And I kept comparing this to Aaron Judge with the Yankees,
because this same thing happened. The Yankees offered him the
third most amount of money out of the four teams
that were interested. Everybody assumed at this point he is
going to San Francisco. He's from San Francisco, the whole thing,

(08:26):
and actually the Padres offered him the most money. He's
going to San Francisco, and that the eleventh hour, the
owner of the Yankees gets involved, says we absolutely can't
let you leave, gives him the captain you know, honors,
which that was huge because there hasn't been a captain
since Derek Jeter, and just all these different things come
to pass. Aaron Judge takes less money to go back
to the Yankees, okay, and Matthew Stafford almost the same

(08:53):
exact thing you know was happening is that Stafford was
pre pretty much going to go to the Raiders. I
heard this from multiple people, and the Rams came in.
Sounds like at the eleventh hour they sat down with him.
Sounds like Sean McVay stepped up in a big way.

(09:13):
And what we saw was essentially they areon judge thing
like I was saying, it was gonna be you know,
they really had to step up, and they did. And
Stafford took less money to go back to the Rams,
which I want to emphasize because there were a lot
of people saying, oh, come on, Stafford. Tom Brady only
took twelve million because he's making all that money with Giselle,
and he's got the ugs and all the different sponsorships.

(09:37):
And I'm like, understand this, Matthew Stafford is not Tom Brady.
He doesn't have all those sponsorships that Brady had won
two he's beat to shit. So Stafford has a lot
more aware than Tom Brady did at age thirty seven.
So the thing that I kept getting annoyed with is

(09:58):
people were saying he was selfish, Alexis. In reality, this
guy just wants to get paid enough for it to
be worth it. It's a very, very, very dangerous game.
And if he's going to play at thirty seven, he's
not going to play for pennies. I mean, think about it. Wait,
Aaron Donald has said it. The idea of like retiring

(10:20):
is like, you know, like you're done when you don't
want to get to the facility anymore, you don't want
to do all the work that coincides with that. It's
that simple. So I think really what it came down
to is that Stafford took less money. This was always
going to be the case that they would have to
figure this out in the offseason, and to be honest, Alexis,

(10:40):
I just don't think we had a clue of how
crazy it was going to get. And you could see
that with the fan base, you really could so shout
out to Stafford for taking a lot less money he
would have gotten from the Giants, from the Raiders. And yeah,
I'm very glad he's back, and I hope he's back
for more than one year. I hope he's back for two.
I hope he's back for three. He can continue to play.

(11:01):
He's the only guy I want under center for the
Los Angeles Rams.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
I agree, And like you said earlier, you know, we
had spoken to different people and of different you know,
people that we get information from, but I had heard
the exact same thing. I think that situation got I
think it got unintentionally out of control. I think it's

(11:27):
what happened there. And I don't think you know, Stafford
was offered I think a lot more than he was
expected to get offered. I don't think maybe he even
realized that. I don't know that the RAMS really realized it.
And like you said, you know, I think things started
to spiral out of control, and then the Aaron Rodgers

(11:47):
thing kind of started to come out, and then I
think teams and everybody started thinking about money and free agents,
and you know, I think, you know, the eleventh hour
thing is true. I've heard that from and you have
heard that, as you just said, from a million different people,
very very very credible people. So you know, I just

(12:09):
wanted to bring it up because I had told people
that we would talk about on the podcast. Because I
know a lot of people came at you, a lot
of people came at me. I will say, though I
really never, in my gut like I was in the
strongest of denial there was. There was ten hours that
I actually believed Stafford was not going to be a RAM,
even besides everything that I was hearing, I know, in

(12:31):
conversations you and I had during that time as well,
I was like, there is no way, and a lot
of that was delusion because what ended up I think transpiring.
But it all worked out on the end, which is
all that matters. But I mean Stafford always wanted to
be back with the Rams. I think, as you said earlier,
he just wanted to be paid what he felt he
deserved and what I think he deserves as well. You know,

(12:53):
I don't I think some of these numbers were made up.
Some of these numbers that came out that Stafford was
asked king for, we're not.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Real Oh yeah, well I saw wars like he's looking
for sixty million, and I'm just like.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, I mean people were getting you know, there were
these crazy numbers that were coming out, and I don't
think that anything that he asked for was unreasonable. And
we'll also see what ended up transpiring, because I think
there's a lot that's going to come out about his
new contract. But at the end of the day, Stafford
is a Ram. He was the only person that made

(13:27):
sense for the Rams to have it quarterback. Nobody else
made sense if you want to do a deep playoff
wrong in my opinion, the only other person everybody was
saying was like, uh, Rogers. They're like, well, you could
do it with Rogers. Yeah, And I was like, listen,

(13:47):
to change the team chemistry after you were so close
in Philly, you were so close, Like to go and
change the leader of your offense makes no sense in
my mind. The Rams were not like, oh right, we're
gonna rebuild. We barely lost in Philly.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
You know it.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Just I thought it would have been a grave mistake
to let Stafford go.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, I thought that. I thought that as well. And then,
true to his word, Alerc Jackson who said he only
wanted to play for one quarterback and that was Stafford.
Alerc Jackson signs almost right after, you know, right after
the Stafford news comes out, Alerc Jackson news comes out,
you know, so then you start to see, okay, the

(14:32):
pieces are starting to fill in. You got your quarterback back,
everything's good there. You got your left tackle and I'll
say this right now. I don't care who likes it.
I know Ronnie Stanley is a huge name. Ronnie Stanley
as well. Liked Ronnie Stanley did go back to the
Baltimore Ravens. The best tackle in this pre agency class
and it's not even remotely close, was Alert Jackson. So

(14:54):
the fact that the Rams got that taken care of before,
that's a big thing. Before free agency allowed them to
have the free agency I was hoping for them to have.
Maybe I had some other things I wanted them to do,
but that was big. Then we not long after that,
DeVante Adams comes out and he's in Japan, I believe

(15:16):
it was, and he, you know, agrees to a deal
with the Rams, And all I'm thinking is, initially I
did a video on Davonte Adams because all the news
about him wanting to go West Coast and the Rams
Chargers the forty nine ers. I was like, I don't
want Davonte Adams. I want no, I want nothing to
do with Davonte Adams unless it's Aaron Rodgers. And that

(15:38):
was around the time we didn't know who's going to
be the quarterback. It was Leaning Rogers, and I was
about to make my film breakdown video about why Rogers
isn't washed and he's still a pretty damn good quarterback.
I decided not to. I just got, you know, really busy,
and then my internet went out and whatever. So anyway,
point being, never made the video, but I did watch

(15:59):
thee and what I came away with was not only
as Aaron Rodgers not washed, but DeVante Adams isn't even
anywhere near washed. Davante Adams is not that far off
from you know where he was at his best. And
so I started watching more on him, and I was like,
you know what, I really think DeVante Adams is a

(16:22):
great fit for the Rams. I started to have this
realization solowly, but surely it's not just oh if Rogers
shows up.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
No.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
I actually was starting to think Davante Adams is what
they're missing. They're missing a true X receiver that can
take the top off the defense, that can win off
the line of scrimmage in a multitude of ways, that
doesn't have to be schemed open. And unfortunately Cooper Cup
because the injuries and because he's not as reliable as
DeVante Adams just wasn't that guy last year for them,

(16:50):
and so I'm thinking, I'm like, this actually makes a
lot of sense. And then you're looking at this free
agency class and how many times did I talk about
T Higgins on Twitter? Higgins isn't an option, ends up
going into the Bengals, ridiculous money, all of that. Then
you're looking and people, this is one of those Alex
Selgo as far as sys, this was a free agency
class to really see where people's NFL knowledge is like currently,

(17:13):
because you could see there were a lot of big names,
but big names don't mean Jack Squatt if they're not producing,
and especially if they're injured. And so you start to
see the names you know, you know DeAndre Hopkins right,
and you start to see like Stefan Diggs and these
big names, and I said, I felt I felt like

(17:35):
the best receiver by far that was available once Higgins
is off the board, but we knew he was off
the board was Davonte Adams. And I'm glad the Rams
got the best receiver available because the last time they
did that, in my opinion, he didn't have better stats
than Pierre Garson in twenty seventeen going into it. But
I felt like Robert Woods was the best free agency

(17:57):
signing of any of those wide receivers when they did that,
And I think they got the best guy again. And
I'm excited because, Alexis, I think if you added Davante
Adams to that roster last year, they absolutely do win
the Super Bowl. I think that offense needed a jolt.
But the thing that makes DeVante Adams so special, Alexis,
it's not his route running. It's not the fact that

(18:18):
he is a work horse, he's a guy that doesn't
miss a lot of games. It's that red zone ability.
How many times in our seven now going into our
seventh season, how many times have we talked about the
red zone play calling? How many times we talked about
red zone inefficiency. DeVante Adams instantaneously makes them a much

(18:38):
better red zone team, and that's how you win football
games in this league.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, very exciting. You know that the Rams were able
to come to deal with Adams, And like you mentioned,
I do think that our receiver room was missing some
of that, especially in the red zone. I mean, you
and I have talked about on so many episodes last season.
We were just so angry about what was happening in
the red zone. As I know, a lot of the

(19:04):
listeners were a lot of the Rams fans were it just, yeah,
you couldn't just have Kyrien Williams right as your red
zone threat. We needed to have some receivers, especially when
Kup and Nukua were injured. Right, those were our two
main receivers last year, and it was like DeMarcus Robinson
ended up being like the guy that was scoring touchdowns.

(19:25):
And nothing against DeMarcus Robinson, but you know, you need more,
You need more people to score. So I think Adams
is going to bring a lot of like relief to Stafford,
and I think he's going to be very excited to
target him in the end zone. But as excited as
we are about DeVante Adams, I think that we need
to bring up Cooper Cup.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
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Didn't see that. Thank you so much. That's so kind
of you. Thank you for the donation.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
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Yes, thank you. I the donation link for the downtown
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Speaker 2 (20:13):
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Speaker 1 (20:16):
Of course, I appreciate that. Thank you, Also, I some
people in the comments. I want to clarify my camera.
When I'm looking at my computer. Somebody is saying that
I was reading the comments. This is actually where I
see Jake. That is my camera.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
She's on a laptop, y'all. She doesn't have a fortress
like I do, so like she is reading the laptop.
There's nothing wrong with it.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I'm in the process of building a new studio setup,
which I know I've said for a long time, but
it is real. Jake knows there is a new space
being set up, but for now, this is where my
monitor is. But anyway, thank you so much again for
the donation. That's very very sweet. Before that, what I

(20:59):
was going to say is, I do you think we
should talk about Cooper Cup.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, I mean we have to talk about him, and
we have to.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Talk about him, and God, it's such a gut punch,
And you know what, I'll say this. There's been there's
been a lot of discourse about the Cooper Cup ordeal
and how it went down and what the Ray move was.
And I've said this on Twitter and I'll say it here.
I think that you can be upset about the way

(21:27):
a situation went down while also agreeing with it.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Right Like you can.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
You can be angry with how a decision was made
and everything, you know, how it transpired, but agreed that
the end goal was correct. And I think that that's
where a lot of us fall with the Cooper Cup situation.
You know, you don't have to choose. You don't have
to you know, say I wanted Cooper Cup gone and
that's it and wipe your hands you know of him,

(21:54):
or you know, I didn't like the way that the
Rams handled the situation, but but I wanted Cooper Cup
to stay. Like, you can have multiple feelings about the situation,
I see. I just think a lot of people are
trying to, like in their minds, whenever the Cooper Cup
situation comes up, they're like, I don't know how to
feel about this because I agree that moving on from
him was the right decision, but I don't like the

(22:16):
way it went down. And my answer is that's valid.
You can feel however you want to feel about the situation.
I know there's a lot of different opinions about it,
but I just want to tell everybody, like, you don't
have to put yourself through any mental gymnastics to try
to like, justify why you feel a certain way about this.
Cooper Cup was a massive part of this Rams franchise

(22:37):
for a very long time. He had arguably, well I
don't even know if it's arguably, but like the best
season a wide receiver of the NFL has had the best,
like the best in a Rams uniform. When he had
his you know, triple Crown season. He was a huge
part of the reason the Rams won the Super Bowl.
The Rams don't win that game without Cooper Cup. He

(22:58):
was a Super Bowl MVP. He meant so much to
the Rams franchise and deserves all the flowers in the world.
And it's very, very understandable that people are really really
bummed and really really upset that he's gone. I'm one
of them. I'm bummed. I you know, you and I
talked about it on the show. You know, I understand

(23:19):
moving on from him. You know, I get it. I
get the decision. Doesn't mean I'm happy about it, doesn't
mean I feel good about it. You know, him going
to Seattle obviously is not like the ideal situation for
US Rams fans. I understand it. It's his hometown team.
You know, he had an opportunity to go play for
the Seahawks, you know, in Washington where he was raised,

(23:40):
and that's a team that needs his talents. You know,
they let go of Tyler Lockett and they traded DK Metcalf.
I mean, Cooper Cup is now the guy there aside
from Jsen, who I guess you could say is wide
receiver one, but he still has a big wide receiver
two role now in Seattle. So that's kind of my
thoughts on it, Jake, that you give your thoughts about it,

(24:01):
But I just wanted to say, you know, there doesn't
have to be, you know, picking sides with this Cooper
Cup decision. You can be on both the RAMS management
side and also on Cooper Cup side. You don't have
to like how it went down. I don't really like
how it went down at all, which Jake, you know,

(24:21):
and you and I know, just you know from things,
I'm not a fan of the way that it all transpired,
but the end results, you know, I'm kind of in
agreement with. But what are your thoughts on Cooper Cup.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, I absolutely agree, and I think to a degree
it may have actually hurt the Rams last year the
way they utilized Cooper Cup, because you know, I think
too too. Out Well and Jeorde Winnington were better served
in the offense at the end of the season. That's
just how I feel. And I think they did such
a job to try and preserve, you know, keep his

(25:02):
legacy intact and his title and you know, just that
that tier, and I think it did hurt the team.
I think there were times where you know, you could
see it. You know, Whittington and at Well are catching
some of those passes at the end of the game
and you're like, why is this the first time they've
seen the field? You know, And I just think the
things that Cup it makes cups so great, you know it. Unfortunately,

(25:27):
those injuries have plagued him. That said, you look at
it the beginning of the season against the Lions, Puka
goes down in the first quarter and it's almost one
of those things like, you know, everyone's talking about pookin Akua,
he's become the superstar and everything, and just right away
life is back to without pookin Akua having to rely

(25:48):
on Cooper Cup almost kind of like a universal way
of saying, hey, guys, don't forget you know, before Pooka,
this was the guy, and he had a great game again.
You know, the Lions ends up suffering the injury against
the Cardinals Week two, and really he had some moments,
you know, the two touchdown game against the Patriots. He

(26:09):
had four thousand or four hundred yard games last year. Uh,
easily could have had a thousand yards if he stayed healthy.
But I think just the the different things they were
able to do with him when he's fully healthy as
opposed to when he's not in one hundred percent himself,
it's very drastic. And this is somebody that really wasn't

(26:29):
winning the way he used to on those lateral uh
excuse me, on those Yeah, those lateral routes. You know,
the horizontal routes. I felt like when you're you're looking
at you know, the more vertical stuff. In a lot
of ways, Cooper Cup was their deep threat. Whether he
was the best fit for that remains to be seen,
but he really was. And so I think the Rams

(26:52):
just needed even if and this is another thing I'll
add real quick, but I think they needed to add
kind of that vertical presence, that guy that can win
without being schemed open or anything like that, because I
think teams were just starting to like key in on
on Pooka and Akua and it just became a little
too much for him. Do I still think Cup has game?

(27:12):
Absolutely And as a matter of fact, this is my
point that I'll make if anyone is going to come
back from this, it's Cooper Cup. Because nobody puts in
the work he does. So that's why it That's really
the thing that makes it tough. But when you've done this,
you know, for me, you know, since twenty sixteen, covering

(27:33):
this team, I've seen some of the best players you'll
ever see just gone just like that. How important did
Jared Goff? You know how important was he to twenty seventeen,
twenty eighteen? Right, But because you know those those you know,
drop offs, no playoffs in twenty nineteen, in twenty twenty,
not getting over the hump, not winning a Super Bowl

(27:55):
in that timeframe, they had to make a choice. How
about Todd Gurley. Todd Gurley was the best offensive player
regardless of position in the NFL. When he was at
his best, there was nobody anywhere near him. He was
like Marshall falk In, a six foot one, two and
twenty pound body. I don't think people get that. And
the Rams cut him they didn't. You know, they didn't

(28:17):
get anything for him, They didn't trade him, they cut him.
So I've watched this, you know, Robert Woods, guy wins
the Super Bowl after tearing his acl never gets a
chance to play for the Rams again. They bring in
Alan Robinson. Really, my point is it's not to diminish
anybody's feeling about Cooper Cup. It's just to explain why
I'm so quick to move off and move on and

(28:40):
understand how. You know. Sadly I hate hearing it because
they're always like, it's just a business, or yeah, it's
a business. Yeah. I think loyalty can coexist in business,
Like you know what I mean. I'd like my business
partners to be a little loyal Just because they might
have to do something for their benefit doesn't mean they
have to screw me. The process that said, Cups making

(29:03):
a lot of money, a lot of money from the Rams,
a lot of money from the Seahawks. I think it
was the best of both worlds. You release him, you're
letting him go find another spot. Some people will take
that as an insult. Some people will say, how on
earth could you release this player? That's such an insult
for him? Well, it's a lot better than trading him
for a bag of beans. Now, I think it's way
better to release him, let him, for the first time

(29:25):
his entire career, experience free agency and make his own decision.
The Rams did write by him in that regard. The
other ways, I still don't think they did. I think
in a lot of different ways. Watching Cooper Cup, see
you want somebody is lying here because it didn't go
perfectly because you watched Cooper Cup in that presser and

(29:46):
you can tell there's hurt, there's agony, and there's a
sense of I didn't get the full story. I didn't
get the full picture. Now, is this the cam Akers
thing where Sean McVay basically told him before the season
that hey, we're gonna use you and Kyra and Williams
And then cam Aker saw Kyra Williams getting utilized and
was like, oh, I thought I was the guy. Like,

(30:07):
is it a misunderstanding or you know, did they just
not have enough communication when it came to Cooper Cup.
And I honestly think it's a little bit of the latter,
because you know, you did this with Golf and you've
admitted to doing it with goff. I think there's such
a thing as getting so excited, because I too, when

(30:27):
I realized a situation or a relationship, whatever, it is
not in the best state. I'm one of those quick
I'm one of those people that's quick to move away,
move off, move on right, And so in that sense,
you get excited for the future, you hype yourself up.
I think the Rams did that. I think they were
really excited about the DeVante Adams era. I don't necessarily

(30:48):
think they handled the Cup thing the way they should have,
And to be fair, I wasn't in the room. I
don't know what Cup was told. But I'm just talking
from the perspective of watching that full presser. There's so
much hurt, and that's to be expected. He's been there
for what eight years, he's been over you know, he's

(31:08):
been a Ram for over two thousand days. Like that's
a lot of time. You know, you've established roots in
La all that, But Alexis watching that felt more than
just yeah, I'm upset, like this hurts to get traded
and it's gonna take me a little. It felt more

(31:30):
like he didn't understand. It felt more like, you know,
I forget exactly if he was asked it or not,
but I remember it came out in some capacity he
was trying to see if they could maybe work out
a rework of his deal or you know, a restructure,
pay cut, whatever, and he said they never really give
him a chance of that. So, yeah, that's the tough
one where it comes out because I think maybe that's

(31:52):
what it is. Maybe in his mind is like, wow,
so they really just don't want me. It's not even
the money. They would rather just not have me on
the roster, saying that basically they don't believe in me
the rest of my career. That that's a tough one.
That's a tough adjustment.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
So yeah, that that I would encourage everybody to read
the La Times article. I'll leave it at that, and
I'm sure you read it, Jake. The La Times interviewed
Cup before, I mean before he signed with the Seahawks
and when it became clear that things were over, and
that was very very insightful and it was a shame.

(32:34):
I thought, you know, it wasn't didn't make me feel
good reading that, And I think, you know, that explains
a lot of you know, what we've said, and you know,
cups Presser when he signed with Seattle. You know, I
think I think the Rams could have handled it better.

(32:55):
I'm not again, I'm not saying that they didn't necessarily
make the right choice. I just think that, you know,
it's a little surprising. I think. I think sometimes there's
you know, teams and you know people and can get
very excited about something and kind of forget to take
tie up everything else beforehand. And it's kind of a

(33:16):
shitty thing to do sometimes. And maybe it's not intentional,
maybe it is, but it's a bad look. But but regardless, again,
I'm not it's not anybody's uh, I'm trying to pick
my words carefully here, but you know, I think that
the the Again, I I don't necessarily disagree with moving

(33:36):
on from Cooper Cup. I'll say that, I think in essence,
the idea of it, where the team was, where the
offense was. I can understand given his contract, even though
I you know, he did kind of indicate that he
was willing to rework, it still was a big contract,
you know, I think a little bit complicated. I understand

(34:00):
with all of those factors and kind of the decline
and play that the Rams wanted to move on. I
just really am not a fan of the way it
all transpired, but I have mathematically been trying to think
of how could the Seahawks still lose every game but
Cups still have really really good stats. You know, in

(34:21):
my mind, I'm like, is there a mathematical way that
the Seahawks could go own sixteen? But Cooper Cup could
absolutely season? You know what I mean. So that that's
where I'm at. I will always be rooting for Cooper Cup,
just not against us. It is weird in terms of
a win and lose column.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
I'll see the situation he's in is so bizarre because
he's going to be catching passes from the guy who
he eliminated from the playoffs and probably costs like he
was on the team that costs this guy a lot
of money. It's just kind of funny in that regard.
But also Ernest Jones is there, so they're reunited and

(35:00):
and you know, that's kind of cool. And I think
there's another ram that's on the Seahawks that's name is
totally escaping me. But I mean, be that as it may.
You know, Cooper Cup isn't a Ram anymore. But at
the same time, you can appreciate what Cooper Cup is
meant to this team because he has been. He has
been one of the all time Rams. And I've said

(35:20):
this on Twitter, but now because we have a little
bit of a platform here, I'm gonna say it here.
Whoever's in charge, you know, I don't know who is
it Kronky, is it dem Off? I don't know. But
I think the Rams need to have not just a
ring of honor, although that's way overdue. I think they
need to have like kinda if you guys have ever

(35:40):
been to Crypto dot Com Arena or aka Staples Center,
the Lakers have like this park kind of deal, like
where you go through and it's not like heavily guarded
or anything. They just have these statues everywhere of all
these players. And I think the Rams need that. I
really do talks about Aaron Donald being the statue. I

(36:02):
don't think it should just be Aaron Donald. I think
there are a lot of guys that have to make
this work. Cooper Cup's touchdown catch it's a very easy,
you know, statue to do. You could do the statue,
you know against the Niners where he got up and screamed,
which was so out of character, which was kind of
you know, cool about it, but I think there needs

(36:22):
to be more preservation of these moments, like Todd Gurley
should have a statue, you know, the these important players
should have, you know, some recognition, and there hasn't been
anybody retired by number as of late, and you can't
really do it until you want to get to like

(36:42):
three digit football numbers, which I swear to God someday
it'll happen, but I'm not ready for that. But yeah,
like I says, I just feel like that's one of
the things the whole Cup situation had me thinking, it's
time to have like the Yankees have Mine Park, It's
time to have something like that because they're players that

(37:03):
have meant so much to this organization like Cup and
have carried themselves the right way, and to be honest
with you, Jordan Whittington to Touat Well Pukkur are all
going to be better receivers and have better careers having
been around you know, Cooper Cup. So I just feel
like somebody like that deserves some recognition. And uh, yeah,

(37:23):
I'm hoping. I don't know if it'll happen or when
it will happen, but he got all that money, and
that place is stay of the art. But I think
the one thing it's missing is kind of like a
monument park type deal. I don't know what your thoughts
are on that, but it doesn't just stop with LA.
I think Saint Louis should be, you know represented, I
think you know the tackle Mike Jones. Some might say, well,

(37:47):
Mike Jones, are you kidding me? You have all these
incredible Mike Jones made the tackle. If he doesn't make
the tackle, who knows what we're talking about today? So yeah,
I just yeah, I just think like that's how I
kind of look at it. I think it'd be time
by the Jeff Fisher did say he was going for
two if they hit that, So who knows. Who knows what?

(38:08):
I don't want to know. I don't want to live
in that world. But that's my point is that all
these guys, you know, I understand with college it's different
like being a Kansas fan. Once a Jayhawk always to
Jayhawk is kind of like their mantra. You still even
root for the guy that transferred away to your rival,
but there is no like once a Ram always ram.

(38:30):
I never hear anything like that because NFL has looked
at as such a business that even though a player
that gave you eight years or not, however many years
he gave him. He spent his entire career here, he
was homegrown, He's been through a lot. He was in,
you know, two super Bowls, one of what he couldn't
even play in. I just think it would be kind
of a miss. It would be a total miss to

(38:54):
not represent him in some way because he is one
of the all time grades. And if we're trying to
do the whole well, he didn't play his whole career
with the Rams. One it was not by choice. Two
neither did Isaac Bruce Tory hold like we could go
down the list. I mean, having a player play his
entire career with one team, especially in this industry, that

(39:15):
is not a common thing. So I do believe that
maybe you can't retire number ten. I get that right,
That'll be hard, but you can honor him in another way.
So that's how I feel. That's truthfully. I just want
to see something done about that. I don't know who
I have to contact or who needs to be in

(39:36):
charge of that, but that to me, would be a
total miss opportunity. With all that space around so far
if they couldn't create something like that.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, I agree. I do think that they need to
do something to honor some of these great Rams and
great Rams moments, aside from just retiring numbers. I would
not be opposed at all if they retired number ten,
you know, if I'm honest, I think it would make
total sense. Do I think they'll do it, No, I
think that they they should. I would be on board

(40:08):
with that. I mean, number ninety nine is like the
only one that I'm like, that's gonna get retired. I'm
kind of I haven't done it already, but they'll do
that in due time. But I do think that they
need to do something, and so if I agree, there
needs to be you know, someone in the comments just
talked about kind of the banners at Edward Jones Dome,

(40:28):
which it's not even called that anymore, if you guys
didn't know, it's the dome in America Center. Yeah, but
you know, they need to do something. I think like
a ring of honor or the statues that just like
credits some of the great Rams throughout history. I think
it's it's a long overdue and I'm sure you know
that they've got plans to do something, but I'd be
very excited to see, you know what that looks like

(40:51):
when it's all done. And Cooper Cup for sure should
be honored because, as you said, you know he is
an all time great Ram. Absolutely the twenty twenty one
season alone would have done it and made him a
Rams legend, but he it wasn't just that season that
he put in so much work and gave us so
many moments and did so many important things for the Rams.
So yeah, it's it's you know what, he's in Seattle now.

(41:16):
Wish him the best personally. Obviously we're not going to
be cheering for the Seahawks anytime soon or ever really,
but you know, Cooper Cup is a class act, stand
up guy. He did everything the right way. He was
you know who you want, you know on your team

(41:36):
and in your locker room. So it's all love for
me and Jake to Cooper Cup. We know that all
of you listening love him as well and wish him
nothing but the best for the rest of his career. Donation.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Thank you so much, Christopher, shout out my guy, Chris.
He's actually he's now been on the lounge just like
you so. Yeah, he's the co founder of Trick or
Treat Studios that made these masks in the back.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yes, yes, huge Rams fan, so very cool.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah. I was very excited obviously, I mean, you know,
so excited about a Kello. Would love to see us
get a linebacker, wide receiver, another tight end this draft. Yes,
Chris really wanted a Kello back. I mean you see
the forty four in the background, vintage of Kello Witherspoon Jersey.
I obviously really want him back. Alexis and I both
interviewed him. No, Alexis wanted him back. Let's let's talk

(42:32):
on that and then we can address the rest of
this one. Maybe you know, name a player or somebody
that comes to mind based on those positions he listed,
But let's start off with a Kello. Uh, that was
an interesting one. There was a lot of there's a
lot of interest from the Rams, and Akello only wanted
to play for the Rams. But it's a matter of

(42:53):
making you know, it takes two to tango, and I
think this kind of gets left, you know, you know,
it kind of doesn't always get talked about. But like
last year they signed Trey White. You know, we didn't
ignore any super chats. We're reading through them right now.

(43:13):
They signed Trey White, they signed Darius Williams, and I
kept saying the whole offseason, and you know this, I
was like, they really need to add a kello, Like
those guys are not enough. You have a guy coming
off a major injury, two of the three major injuries
that could end your career. That's what Trey White had.
Then Darius Williams, you know, I hadn't really had a

(43:35):
ton of injuries. He gets hurt, Darian Kendrick out for
the year. I just started to see slowly but surely
the dB rooms was losing all of their their depth,
and so I thought they were going to bring him back.
He wanted to come back. They were a lot of
different I would say there were a lot of different teams.

(43:58):
I don't know the Colts were interested. I know they
actually brought him in for a workout. I know the
Falcons with Raheem Morris were interested. There are a lot
of different teams, right, And I thought he was going
to go to the Vikings at one point, and so
he ends up coming back to the Rams. He decides
to take the VET minimum yet again and not complaint still,

(44:21):
you know, like basically he had to stand the practice squad,
get up to football shape. He was obviously in shape,
but getting into football shape is a little different. So
when he was ready to go, they put him out there.
They love his communication, that whole thing, and yeah, he
made a name for himself. Obviously twenty twenty three, we
know what he did. He should have been paid. He wasn't.
They paid the wrong guy and Trey White. It's not

(44:43):
just my opinion. They told you that when they traded
him away for nothing. So this offseason happens, and you know,
he really wanted to be a Ram, The Rams wanted him,
and there's going to be an end to this thing
here real quick. But essentially the or really penny pinch pinching,
I would say, the Cooper Cup thing, Matthew Stafford trying

(45:05):
to get him to take less money. A lot of
these guys trying to get him to take less money.
And it just makes me wonder, like what are we
waiting for here? I feel like some domino has yet
to fall, Like they have some trap card. I feel

(45:26):
like they are you know what I'm saying. I feel
like there's something up. I don't know what it is.
I'm not gonna sit here and pretend I do. But
I feel like a big move in some capacity is
waiting and I don't know what that could be. It
could be a trade, right, I don't know. I don't
know if it's a big trade up on draft day.

(45:48):
Can you imagine that they go up and like they
get Travis Hunter or some weird shit. But no. My
point here is that you don't save all this money.
You don't, you know, cut Cooper Cup with a post
June first designation. You don't penny pinch when you have
the cap unless you're saving it for something. And a

(46:13):
Kello being back, I think is the final piece to
the puzzle. We didn't really talk about it yet, but
they added poona Ford after losing Bobby Brown. They added
Nate Landman, who is a quality run defending linebacker. Gives
them a guy after losing Rose Boom and what's his face? Hummel.

(46:39):
It gives them a guy that they have that can
come in on those obvious running downs, and then you
can go and you can draft somebody next to Omar,
which I like. But I felt like signing a Kello
really locked them in. We know what they're starting twenty
two is currently and it looks really damn good. And

(47:01):
that is really the thing that got me excited is
because I like everything that they've done so far. But
when they brought back a Kello, they really unlike other seasons, Lexus,
they brought back a lot of guys. They brought back
to two outworld right. Hell, they even brought back a
guy who they were trying to bring last year back
who opted out of his contract due to incentive and

(47:22):
then they end up moving on from him. Cole mich Shelton.
He's back. He's gonna start at center for them. So
Nie Rivers, Ronnie Rivers, LARRYL Murchison really happy for him
because poor guy was on the IR twice. He came
back from the IR and then broke his foot and
then he was trying to fight his way back, and

(47:43):
he and Troy Reider, they were both ready and unfortunately
they didn't make it to the NFC Championship game, so
they missed out on playing. So Murchison missed the entire
season between two IR stints. So I'm happy for him.
But I look at this team and I just don't
don't really see too many needs like in the short term,

(48:04):
in the here and the now, I don't see too
many needs. I have once, I have needs for the future,
but I don't see too many needs. So I would
love to get a linebackers well, Chris real quick, I
will say my guy would be Chris Paul Junior from Ole,
miss I think he just does a little bit of everything.

(48:24):
Really really smart, conscientious football player. It would be really
good in coverage, so I think he'd compliment Omar Spates well.
By the way Omar Spates watching the tape, has turned
into one of the better linebackers in the game from
a run defense standpoint. He's got some work to do
in coverage, but I'm excited for his development at wide receiver.
I want Jayden Higgins. You got the familiarity factor in

(48:47):
Nate shieldhas who is you know, he was the offensive
coordinator there at Iowa State. He's worked with him. Same
thing with Jalen Nole. But I think Jadenhiggins can kind
of be that next guy to replace Ontae Adams. He
could play this year, but he's really gonna get going,
kind of like a Van Jeffers senior draft. Use him
a little bit and then he kind of red Shirt him.

(49:09):
I could see that with Jayden Higgins and then the
last one here tight end. I love Fannin. I think
Fannon out of Bowling Green, that's my guy. I think
he fits what the Rams have looked for, kind of
that undersize flex tight end. Tyler Higby is going to
be your starting you know tight end, and we'll see

(49:29):
what they do with Kolbe Parkinson, but for now he's
on the roster. So you got those two guys that
are like built to be you know, well rounded tight ends.
Although we're waiting for Parkinson to take the next step.
But with Fannin, this guy makes guys miss and that's
something that's not currently on the roster outside of Tyler Higbee.
He led the team in tight end miss tackles force
despite the fact only played the three regular season games.

(49:51):
So I think Fannin, who led the country in thirty
two miss tackles force, I think he makes a lot
of sense. I think he's a good blocker. I think
he's got supreme upside. He's only twenty years of age.
So I really like those three guys based on the
the positions that you listed, Chris, but alexis Let's say you.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Oh, man, I need to watch I think more of
the linebacker class. I like Chris Paul too, though, you know,
I do like Campbell if they you know, out of Alabama,
if they want to take you know, a linebacker in
the first round as well wide receiver. I mean, I
really really really loved Matthew Golden. I do love Matthew Golden.

(50:32):
And before you know, Adams got in the mix, I
was like, let's draft Matthew Golden, you know, in the
first round. I was really really riding that train. I'm
not off the train. I don't think the Rams are
going receiver in the first round though, and he's obviously
a first round receiver, so I'm kind of having to
like grieve that dream a little bit where I'm like,
that's not gonna happen. I also hate to say it,

(50:54):
I've kind of grieved the Jayden Higgins dream as well,
because I think Higgins is the second round guy and
the Rams aren't currently in the second round, so.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
I think the trading down.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
But you know, I mean, I if they trade that.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Could just be that could be me coping. Like I'm
just I'm just saying, like I want them to trade down.
Because it's twenty six and then you have the ninetieth pick.
There's nothing in between that.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
I mean, if they have a second round pick, I
would love for them to take Jane Higgins just as
of right now. I don't see them picking in a
spot where you know that makes sense. Yeah, I mean yeah,
I think Higgins is great. Noel was also great. You
mentioned the Iowa state, you know, connection there. I I

(51:38):
do love those connections in the draft, as people who
watch our draft coverage know. So for tight end, I
do like Colston Lovelin. I'm higher on him, I think
than Drake. Drake Jake is I'm Drake now okay, yeah,
now you're now you're Drake after you we talked about

(51:59):
earlier how you didn't like being called Jake.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Oh no, I like Jake. I just don't like a
lot of people that have my name.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Right. That was it. That was it. So I do
like Colston Lovelin out of Michigan. I could easily see
the Rams taking him, you know, in the first if
he's still there. I don't think he's going to be there,
but you know, if he is, I do like Loveland
for the Rams in the third round. I really like
Mason Taylor out of LSU.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I need to watch more of him.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
He's now being projected to go higher though. I mean
so he was kind of a you know, I think,
a third round guy, and now all of a sudden,
I feel like the past couple of days, everybody's projecting
Mason Taylor to like go in the second same with
Ario Elijah Ario out of Miami. I like him too.
I feel like he's a guy that's like skyrocketing up boards.

(52:47):
You know. Gunner Helm out of Texas is kind of
interesting because there's that Texas connection.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I feel so picky. I'm not like into any of
these guys I want fan in. And then I like
the guy from Notre Dame. I like Mitchell Evan.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Well, I mean I like Mitchell Evans too, but I'm
trying to be fair.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, but I'm not a Notre Dame fan, so I
can tell you I think Mitchell Evans his best football
is in front of him. I don't know why they
didn't utilize him. I'm not saying he is George Kittle,
but it kind of reminds me of George Kittle, where
it's like this guy goes in the fifth round and
you're like, Wow, the hell did he go in the
fifth round? Well, it's because CJ. Besser was throwing the
ball who was drafted two rounds ahead of him. God
knows why. It's by the same organization. But he also

(53:25):
was never utilized like guy ran. He knew how to
run a route tree. He could block guys. Like I
always said, you turn on George Kittle a tape. You
don't know what a blocking tight end is until you
watch George Kittle tape. Like George Kittle at IOWA was
blocking guys like he was freaking Michael Oher in the
blind side, like mimable clips. I think I need to

(53:47):
cut it up and remind people how effing good George
Kittle was because like everyone like, there's so many people
that act like he came out of nowhere. He tested
better than any tight end in that draft. In twenty
seventeen at the comm Alexis tested better. He was six
y five. He ran a four to five to two.
I don't know how this guy fell through the cracks.

(54:08):
I don't understand that to this day. I'm not saying
Evans is going to do that, but it reminds me
of Evans where I'm like, I'm watching him and I'm like,
he's just he's a lot better than given credit for
because the body of work and Notre Dame just was
not there. My issue with Loveland is that he draft

(54:29):
the guy at twenty six, especially a tight end, which
isn't really good positional value. He needs to be able
to block, he needs to be able to go up
in high point of football. He needs to be able
to have more physicality. And when I watched Loveland, he's
really just a six foot six receiver at two forty
eight that doesn't play to that size, doesn't go up

(54:49):
in high point of football. He had a twenty percent
win rate. You know in those contesting catch situations. It's like,
why am I throwing to you as a tight end
if you can't go up and make an testing catches.
So that's that's my hang up on him and the blocking,
because I think that's necessary. That said, like fannin, he
and Fannon are both twenty years old. They'll be twenty one,

(55:11):
Here'll be twenty one next month. Loveland, I feel like
if you're gonna bet on a tight end, betting on
one with that much upside at that age, I think
he's got the work ethic too, and he didn't have
great quarterback play after J. J. McCarthy left. I'm not
out on Loveland. I'm just out on him as a
first round pick. So, like, I want to make that

(55:32):
clear because I think some people kind of you know,
it's like the year old years old. I don't even
know how long the meme has been going around on Twitter.
I'm sure you've seen it before. You can say that,
you know, you like waffles, and then somebody's gonna say
that you dislike pancakes. It's like, I never said I
dislike pancakes. I just said I didn't, you know, I
like waffles. Like, what the hell you're putting words in

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my mouth? So that's what that was about.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yeah, yeah, crash it out over here hopefully like a question.
Well right, hopefully we answered that question well and gave
gave some names there.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
But he got his money's worth for that one.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Uh long, this is back. Oh my god, another twenty five.
Appreciate you, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Is it fair to say that X, Y and Z
are different roles, though some receivers can do more than one,
The Rams had too many wide receivers that filled the
same roles. Yes, yeah, it's actually fairly common to have
you know both you know Y and Z type receivers
priyana Z in an X spot. An extra receiver needs

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to be kind of your alpha dog, alpha male, number
one receiver that can win off the line of scrimmage
without any sort of rub routes, any sort of like
he has taken on the dirty work. He has to
win off the line of scrimmage, whether he has to
beat press, you know what, have you? Right, So that's
where Davante Adams can really work. Now, Davante Adams went
and I come to the rams full disclosure. If I

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didn't ignore anybody's question. You know, we didn't ignore any
super chats. We're going through them right now anyway, as
long as it's a super chat. I mean, we are
not going to probably be able to see everyone's questions
in the comments, but we'll try anyway. Point being so,
the extra receiver, like Devonte Adams, he can win without

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being schemed to win, right, and in a lot of ways,
you have to have verticality, so not every like you see,
oh he's so good, like his highlights, I hear that
all the time aloys highlights. Why can't he play at
the X? Well, think about this. He can't play at
the X because he's quicker than fast. So if he
doesn't have the long speed and doesn't have the verticality

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to basically, you know, threaten the deep part of the secondary, well,
how is he going to be the extra receiver? Xtra
receivers have to be vertical. Extraceivers have to have that ability.
If he's slow, can be an X receiver. He can't
stack defensive backs. You gotta be able to stack the
defensive backs. You gotta be able to get over the top, right.

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So that's the thing. I think it's very fair to
say that receivers have more than you know, can do
more than one. That's where you start to get into
the slot. You get, you know, moving guys around and
what have you. The thing about Davante Adams is all
of his touchdowns last year, none of them were when
he was in motion. Okay, but you do have those

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instances where to two out, well his touchdowns or when
he's in motion or who knaku was an emotion on
his touchdowns. So I think it gives them kind of
you know, the the variation the difference. But also I
think TO two could play at X, you know, over
the course of his career, when he gets better off
the line of scrimmage. Currently, No, I don't think he's
nuanced enough at this point in the game. Davante is.

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I think they're going to add another guy who who's
a really good X. Actually, the next video I'm working
on for a prospect, Trey Harris. Okay, uh, Trey Harris
is a bona fide X receiver. Big body, knows how
to use it, box out guys, but also can stack
defensive backs with fair fairly easy sacked defensive backs. That

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is what you're looking for, you know. But I think
as far as guys that can work in the slot,
you're looking for quicker than fast. You're looking at, you know,
guys that have that agility. You know. Obviously you want
to have agile players. I'm not saying X receivers can't
be agile, but I'm saying, if you don't have straight
line speed, if you don't even have straight line play speed,
you're not going to work as an NEXT receiver. If

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you don't have footwork, you're not gonna work as an
X receiver. The motions. A lot of the time that
can combat a receiver that's not ready to get off
the lion of scrimmage on his own is by motioning
the receiver. So if you have a receiver that that
you know his footwork is not going to be able
to beat press and guys are gonna get their hands
on him and he's not getting off the line of scrimmage,

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well you can motion him and free up his path.
And that's what we've seen with two to two out.
Well we've seen that with other receivers in the past.
That's pretty much how that works. So, yeah, is it
fair to say X, Y and Z are different roles. Absolutely,
they all play different roles. Some you know, you have
your flanker, you have a guy that you know it

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depends on the play, but you know you are going
to have receivers that are there to essentially get guys open,
scheme guys open. You're gonna have that receiver that has
to be the guy that gets open on his own
because he can't just put everybody in motion. You can't
just have everybody in the slot. It doesn't work that way.
So that's what I would say. A lot of the

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really physical corners, they're normally going to be on the outside.
Bigger corners are going to be on the outside. The
arm length is going to be on the outside, whereas
you know, the shorter arm guys are going to play
in the slot, they're gonna be the nickel corners really good.
And you know, inside the numbers is opposed to on
the boundary, So you're dealing with different you know, opponents,

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if you will. And that's the big thing is that,
really who you go up against also really dictates, you know,
who you are as receiver. Can you go up against
a guy that's six foot three and you know, two
hundred and twenty pounds, not saying they exist or there's
a ton of them, but can you win against that?
And I'm sorry, but the slot was made for guys
that are five to six and a bucks sixty five

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that simply can't get off the line scrimmage against a
six foot three, two hundred and twenty pound defensive back
that is going to press you into god knows where. Yeah,
that's what that's what I got. The Rams have had.
That's the thing. The Rams have had this kind of
interchangeable thing going on. But really, if you want to

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be honest. Was Robert Woods ever an ex receiver?

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Was Cooper cup Ever an X receiver? No? So that's
why DeVante Adams gives them something that they really haven't
had since. You could argue Odell Beckham junior ex receiver,
Sammy Watkins ex receiver, Brandon Cooks ex receiver. These are
guys that fill that role. So to just assume that
the number one wide receiver is always going to be
an extra receiver is a you know, kind of an

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unfair assumption. Like Pookinakua is a z You know, Pookina
Kua is not just you know that you wouldn't want
him in that sense. We haven't seen him have to
consistently get off the line of scrimmage against some of
the better corners.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Does that maybe hurt his case as being the best
receiver in the league. Sure, I mean he's not justin Jefferson.
Jefferson wins in a different way. Pookin aku is the
guy that's gonna win yards after the catch. He's the
guy that's gonna get opened from the soft spot in
the zone, sit down and do it, you know. And
and so that's the thing you have different roles for
different guys. Some guys are really good at getting guys open,
being decoys, stretching the field, so the underneath guys. I

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think Pokin a Coua is best when he's working in
the crossers underneath, you know, those quick you know, bubble screens.
I think that's when you get the best out of
Pook and a Kua, when you can kind of use
him all over the field, you know, in all three phases,
not just necessarily as a deep threat. That to me
is the best. So, yeah, do you have anything to
add to that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Oh, I thought that you explained it pretty well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
I don't feel like I did, but I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
No, I thought that you did. And I also think
you know. Something we've talked about before too, is the
Rams kind of need to diversify their receiver room. And
I think they've needed to for a while, and I
think that this is the first step in doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
They tried that with Alan Robinson, it just went south,
but I like that they're doing it again.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
So yeah, Jeff Lacas, thank you for the two. We
appreciate you. Edwin, thank you for the five. When the
Rams win the Super Bowl this year, Wow, very confident.
What direction would you each like to see the Rams
go rebuild or try to keep our core Bulls got lucky? Yes,

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oh my god, I couldn't. I didn't text Alexis full
disclosure because I was still pissed off about the Bulls game.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Anyway, Well, so what what Edwin is referring to everybody?
So I'm a Bulls fan and night is, you know,
And I wasn't watching the game because I was an improp,
so I didn't like see anything. But I checked my
phone and I opened Twitter, and there was this guy
who tweeted me and he was like he said something like, oh, Alexis,

(01:04:11):
like the Bulls are You're not so tough now? Or
the Bulls aren't so tough now? And all the replies
twenty minutes after he tweeted that, we're like, bro, why
did you do that? You jinxed it like this is
so embarrassing. Alexis needs to like light your ass up
up now, And I'm like, what happened? So I had
to go back and figure out what that was in
reference to? And then I said, oh, this guy was

(01:04:33):
like tweeting me talking trash before the game was over,
and he deleted the tweet obviously, but he was like
so everybody was like blaming him. They're like, dude, this
like karmic thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
I'm blaming him, now, are you kidding? You mean tell
me that's where it all came from.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
I I obviously had to quote it, and uh, you know,
make fun. I did not watch the game live, but
I did rewatch that like last two minutes or a
minute or whatever. Just like, oh my god, I've never
seen anything like that. What an absolute Yeah. I feel
for you Lakers fans that was maybe it was a
karmic thing, because there's no other explanation, you know, Lebron.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
How did that happen the night after Lebron tipped in
the game winner?

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
You know, sometimes people are on and sometimes I think
people can check out. I don't know what it was.
I mean also, though, to be fair, like that was
in Lebron's defense. I don't know if it's in like
Lebron's defense, but you know, yes, he made a really
really bad bad He made a couple of bad plays.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Actually yeah, he.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Just fell apart. But I mean the Bulls had to
make the threes. Guys. You know again, like you can't
just you know people are trying to trash him, but like,
at the end of the day, like I give credit
to you know, I mean Kobe White Is I mean
they had to make.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
The Josh triple double.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Yeah, I mean that last shot from half court. I mean, yeah, Anyway,
I don't want to talk about that. I was just
explaining the backstory.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
No, I know, I know, I'm just messing with you.
But rebuild or try to keep the core. Alexis saying, uh,
because he said when I'll be realistic here, if the
Rams win the Super Bowl, what direction would you like
the Rams to go? For me, it's all dependent on Stafford.
If Stafford retires, Well, I also say this, what do

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you really have to rebuild? The issue is you're gonna
have to pay a lot of these guys. But I
don't really see a lot of rebuilding going because they
have so many young studs that are part of the program,
So I don't necessarily think they would have to get
rid of their cord or anything like that. So yeah,
I'm yeah, I am against rebuilding entirely. They already did

(01:06:57):
this on the fly. I think the entire point a
rebuild at this point would be to find your quarterback.
But I mean, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
I think my my gut would tell me if the
Rams win the Super Bowl this season that Stafford probably retires.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
That would be my I think you would want another one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Though, maybe, But I don't know. I think, yeah, I
think it's dependent on Stafford, and I also even then,
if it's just him, I don't know that it can
be a rebuild. I think that. To answer your question,
I guess the best answer I can give is you
do everything to keep this core together. And we've a
really young core right now, so I don't think it'd

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be too difficult. I mean, you got, like you talk
about your defensive corps, right, I mean Jared Versu and
Braden Visk and Kobe Turner. I mean those guys are
still on their rookie deals.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
I mean Poona just signed a three year deal.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Yeah, you know. So yeah, I'm not sure. I don't
know if that answers your question, but.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
It's a good question. It's just I'm not really sure.
You know, they would really have to rebuild. I think
they could keep it going as long as Stafford wants
to play, and then even after that, if they find
the last guy, you know, whatever that looks like. But anyway,
appreciate the five Edwin Jeff Lacosse, thank you for the

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three ninety nine. Appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Sorry, it is a supersticker we just don't have apparently,
I don't know, they just don't show it. So it
was a supersticker that only people on YouTube can say. Okay, good,
good to know. But again, Jeff, appreciate you Rams. Let's
go thank you for the five statues. Would be awesome,
but the shared stadium makes it hard. Can't have anything permanent.

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Even our Super Bowl banners are removed after each game.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
What really, that's kind of crazy. I mean it kind
of makes sense, though, I guess it does. Yeah, that
is like that's I'm not a fan of the shared
stadium thing, not just for here, just in general. I
think it's a weird. It creates a lot of weird
issues like that. I would argue though, like if you
could find part of SOFI to honor the Rams in

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part to honor the Chargers, I don't see why that
can't be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Yeah, I mean you could also just put your foot
down and be like, well, we own the stadium. Our
owner owns all of the stadium, So I mean no,
I mean, like you could because it technically to the
point of this is that they have to remove the
Super Bowl banners because they're in the you know, near

(01:09:39):
the field of play, but outside. Like to me, I
don't think they should have ever had to remove the
super Bowl fifty six sign from near the water. Why
do they have to get rid of that. That's the
home of super Bowl fifty six and they won the
damn thing, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
The stadium still has the super Bowl logo. It's not
like a giant you know sign, but they have like
banners where they're like, yeah, we toasted this super Bowl. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
I think that they need to do something. I don't
know what the answer is. I still think that they
could do again, I don't see why the Rams couldn't
have like a status section of Ram statues. I mean,
do the Chargers let them have their things somewhere else
in the stadium or the premises? You know, I don't.
It's a good point, though.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Yeah, it is. It is weird though, because the Chargers
before this had only been in LA for one year.
So like the San Diego fans are like, you know,
because I mean, you would have like Antonio Gates and
you have Dan Fouts, and you'd have Ladinian Tomlinson. But
it's like, you know what I mean, Like it just
it feels weird that they played, Like, yeah, I don't know,

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it's now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
I'm thinking about it too. So like I go to
the United Center for like Bulls games, and they've got
Bulls like memory and statues everywhere, and I'm like, but
that's also where like the Blackhawks play and they've won
several Stanley Cups, and like have I just never noticed?

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Well, Okay, so the Lakers something there. I feel I
feel like there's a King's And you guys can back
me up on this because I know some of you
go to those games at the Crypto Center. I see
the Lakers stuff. You see Shaq hanging from like it's
kind of cool the way they did it. He's like
hanging on to a w hoop that's like his statue.

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It's like attached to the actual stadium. And then you
got like you got the Kobe statue and you got
Elgim Baylor and all of that. But I'm pretty sure,
I'm pretty sure there was a King's goalie that was
there now I didn't get a chance to see it all.
It was super dark. I don't know, but I think, yeah,
you could do something along those lines. I just think

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it's weird to just not have a statue. They've been
at Sofi Stadium since twenty twenty one, so, like, I
understand statues take a little while to make, but are
not well yeah, I mean twenty twenty one was the
first year they let fans in. Twenty twenty was how
long they've been there. So I don't know. It just
feels weird to me that, Like, yeah, I wouldn't let
the Chargers because I don't even think that makes any sense.

(01:12:13):
I mean, there's still statues outside of met Life for
the Jets and the Giants like they share it. I
don't know, there's even an Oscar de la Hoya statue. Wow,
the boxer, I don't know. He must have won a
lot of matches there, because that's wild. Yeah, I don't know.

(01:12:38):
I mean, hell, Rocky got a statue. He ain't even
real I'm just saying I win like any argument after that,
I'm like, Rocky Balboa has a damn statue that people
go and actively see, Like, come on, we got a
d point into his ring finger, Cooper Cups touchdown over

(01:13:01):
Eli Apple, or when he's screaming out after pretty much
locked up the NC West Championship, Matthew Stafford any moment
he had, because I mean he's got plenty of the
no look past all that, the tackle Isaac Bruce, the
whole like arms out like that in the Super Bowl.

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There's so many things you could do. I don't know.
I don't know how much statues cost either, so I
don't think they cost that much. I have no idea,
like not compared to like what you and I make,
but like I mean, compared to the rams. I think
statues are pocket change. I'm I'm just saying I'm not

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getting off this point. So we move on here? Where
is it?

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
We go, Okay, I just want to make sure we
get to every super Chat. Jeff has a super Chat.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Love the thought of having Knight at linebacker. What are
your thoughts on Schwes Singer. I cannot say his name
because my brain just becomes idiotic.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Schwen Singer.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
So apparently it's sweat Schwes Singer. But I can never
say that without slowing it down. I can't say Carson Swesshinger. Okay,
I guess I did.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
But I don't know very bad at names and like
pronunciations and because I like stutter.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
So do you like Knight?

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
I've not really watched a ton of him, so, like
I said, you'll like yeah earlier, I need to watch
more linebacker.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Yeah, Demetrius Knight Junior flies all over the field. He
feels like a RAMS type of linebacker. I could see
them taking him, I really could. I think he's a
great fit. I think the Carson Swessinger from LSU. I
think he's really good. I think he gives you different
looks because you can blitz him. He can play in coverage,

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you know all that stuff. So yeah, I mean I
like them both. I think they're both studs. To be honest,
I am gonna be really hard to be picky about
the linebackers because I like all of them at the top.
You know, I haven't really watched enough of Barrett from Clemson.
I think it is so I can't really speak too

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much on him. I think Jalen so you mentioned uh
Jahad Campbell. I don't know if he gets there, but
I think Jalen Walker might and if he does, I
think Jalen Walker would be an absolute weapon. I think
he'd be so oh that'd be crazy. But I really
like Jahad Campbell. I'd rather take a linebacker than a

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tight end in the first round. A stand on business
are so cal native has four of them. Here, what
you think about Dylan g practicing with Puka, I'm assuming
you're talking about Dylan Gabriel from Oregon.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
I didn't know that he was.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Yeah, I just found that out. So appreciate you letting
me know. Thank you for the two and then thank
you for the two. Here. Do you rank Cup higher
than Holt, Bruce or lower? I would say lower, and
here's why, because it's going to be hard for people
to grasp, especially if you didn't follow the Saint Louis

(01:16:31):
rams and you stopped after the left LA. You're not
gonna understand this at all. But Isaac Bruce and Tory Holt,
I mean Tory Holt had more consecutive was thirteen hundred
yard seasons than any He was the best receiver in
his era. I know it sounds crazy to say that
because he's not in the Hall of Fame, but I
think the Hall of Fame is dumb for not having him.

(01:16:52):
I can't believe we're talking about a player of Tory
Holt's caliber that's not in the damn Hall of Fame.
And Isaac Bruce had over ninety touchdowns, so it's like
Bruce was an I mean, he would definitely not be
ahead of Bruce, because Bruce is a guy that from
ninety five to however long. I mean, he was there
for a long time, he was with the La Rams
moved to Saint Louis. He's he is one of he

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might I would say he's probably on the Mount rushmore
for Rams. So but Tory Holt, absolutely, he didn't have
the longevity of Isaac. But oh my god, Tory Holt.
That's the thing. I always say, he's one of the best.
Cooper Cup, but I don't think he's better than those
guys because I just think you're you're talking about guys

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that played way longer, to be fair, and just produced more.
They were available more often. Doesn't make what Cooper Cup
did not special. He's still one of the all time Rams,
but you're talking about the cream of the crop there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
It's just a very very different career trajectories. And it's
also hard because you're looking at two guys whose career
have ended and they had you know, very long, you know,
plentiful careers. Yes, you know, I guess it would be
easier maybe to compare them when Cooper Cup's career is over.

(01:18:14):
But if you're talking, I mean his RAMS ten years over,
you know, I just I don't think that you can
move him above. I mean what Holt and Bruce, like
you said, have accomplished with the Rams was just insane.
I mean there, it's just it's would be very hard
to replicate that, or at least try to get even

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with that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Bruce had a seventeen hundred yard season with was it
Mark Rippin and Chris Miller as a quarterback? I mean,
come on, like that was the second year of his career.
The one guy I do want to bring up here
also because he gets totally left behind and never talked about,
is Henry Ellard. I mean, this is a guy that

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had almost ten thousand yards with the Rams and eleven seasons.
You know, Henry Ellard was a special Ram. He had
forty eight touchdowns. He was he was amazing, should be
in the Hall of Fame. Absolute joke that he's not.
But obviously that goes without saying they. I don't know.

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Henry Ellard is the guy that, for whatever reason, over time,
has become really underrated. I don't think despite the fact
you have a lot of La Rams fans, I don't
think Henry Ellard has brought up nearly enough as he deserves.
And I just think, yeah, he's just one of the
kind of overlooked Rams. And this guy had a fourteen

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hundred yard season in nineteen eighty eight. You know, he
had multiple twelve hundred yard seasons. I mean, he was
really good with Washington after he left the Rams. But
Ellard played eleven years for the Rams and was stellar.
So I underst you know, it took him a little
bit because he didn't really take off until you know,

(01:20:04):
his you know, twenty seven year old season, but he
was phenomenal. And I just I don't know why, but
he's super underrated and I feel like he needs to
get more respect as well. So and again you're talking
about the Rams organization. I mean, you had Tom Fears,
You've had crazy Legs. People are talking about Flipper Anderson,

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you know. I mean, they've had some damn good receivers
and Robert Woods, by the way, like Robert Woods had
a really good career with the Rams too. So yeah,
it's not as simple as that. I mean, Kevin Curtis,
as I hear a Keem kind of some guys that
never get talked about either that had a you know,
you know, a standpoint, you know, at to seem Dann

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Dola before he was traded, Ricky Ricky Proll was. I mean,
who knows where they'd be without Ricky Proll. Yeah, So yeah,
it's They've had a lot of guys. I mean, I'm
totally blank on the guy's name. His son was he
played for the San Francisco Giants. Jack, Yeah, Jack Snow,

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Jack Snow, all time receiver, fantastic receiver. They've had so
many incredible wide receivers, right. So that's the thing Alexis
is that like when people say, well is, do you
think cup is higher than Holt or Bruce, Like you

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have to understand Cupp is among the names. But I
mean there are a lot of crazy talents that have
played in more than the Horns. And I actually think
that's kind of forgotten about because the Rams don't have
five six Super Bowls and the Rams have a fractured
fan base. Because you know, they start in Cleveland, they
go to LA, then they go to Saint Louis, they

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go back to LA. So it's kind of all over
the place. But I don't think people realize, you know,
they've had a lot of crazy talents. I mean, you
know that's just wide receiver. I mean, what they've had
at running back is insane. To have an organization that
has had the likes of Eric Dickerson, Marshall Fox, Steven Jackson,
Todd Gurley, Dan Towler. I mean, they've had some absolute

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incredible talents. You know, Lawrence McCutcheon is up there, Obviously,
Kyron is getting to be up there. They've had some
really really good talents in this organization. The quarterbacks, Norm
van Brocklin, Bob Waterfield, Kurt Warner, Jim Everett. Now you
have Matthew Stafford. Jared Goff was not bad to say
the least. So yeah, and you know Mark Bulger. Yeah,

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there's been a lot of really talented players that have
come out of this organization. So it's really hard to
say like, yeah, you know this guy, this guy or whatever.
So yeah, I would say I don't rank Cup higher
than Isaac Bruser, Tory Holt, but I love him and
you know he especially this iteration in the Sean McVay

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era of this Rams team, he's at as important of
a player as anybody. So that's how I feel. Also,
final flash, Alexis, I don't know if you ever hear this,
but yes, the Rams did take Eddie Kennison over Marvin Harrison.
And this was the draft my dad storytime, real quick.

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My dad got into the draft like as much as
you and I have ever been in the draft, and
he had his notebook and his pen in his paper
and he was making this like big board and all this,
and he was so high on Marvin Harrison. And when
he fell to the Rams lap and they took Eddie Kennison, like,
he talks about it like there's so much pain in

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his voice still to this day. Now, keep in mind,
if they get Marvin Harrison, they probably never end up
with Tory Holt, right, so you know, kind of changes
some things, but still it is funny. I can't imagine,
but I can because that's how we were when the
Rams passed on DK Metcalf.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
So yeah for Taylor Rap, I think, right, Taylor Rap
that draft, Yeah, yeah, trade it down too. So you
were in the second round, you could have gotten Metcalf
and they Yeah. I still can't believe New England passed
him up. But anyway, Memory Lane, man, memory Lane. All right,

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let's see here. How come you never talk about Georgia Frontier.
I don't know. I mean, I don't really talk about owners.
Yeah they don't really, Yeah, I just don't. I don't know.
Like owners, the way we cover the team alexis like

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Kronky doesn't come up unless it has anything to do. Honestly,
Kronky doesn't come up because he's not Jerry Jones. He
doesn't butt in when they're trying to make a trade.
He doesn't. You know, he's not was it Mark Davis?
Where like Mark Davis didn't want to pay Khalil Mack,
you don't have to. It's actually a good thing. It's
a good thing. We don't have to talk about stan

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Kronki because that means the owner is just letting the
football guys do the work. Would you want stan Kronki
running the team? Would you want him deciding who the
Rams are drafting? Held no, nothing against him personally, and
he knows that. That's why he hires these guys to
do the job. So I take it as a blessing

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alexis that we don't have to talk about Stan Kronkie
and George and Frontier isn't the current owner, so I
don't see whether it be a situation where we would
need to talk about her. So that's why do you
have anything else to add to that?

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Or?

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Did I clear that up?

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
No? Yeah? I agree?

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Okay, Rams need a mobile quarterback. Times have changed. Okay,
what are your thoughts in this?

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
I I don't agree. Well, I don't think the Rams
need a mobile quarterback. I do agree to times have changed.
I do think that the next generation of quarterbacks, obviously,
I think are more mobile. We've seen the game, you know,
shift that way a little bit. I don't know. I
think it's a little overblown, but you know, like they

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call Matthew Stafford, you know, the last gun slinger, right Like,
that's what they've been calling him and joking about. And
I think he's joked about it himself, you know. I
I don't know. I think I'm I'm not I do
agree that, you know when people are like, oh, well,
you know the next generation of quarterbacks, they're all mobile,

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and you have to have that aspect to your game.
I don't know that I entirely agree. I do think
it's more popular now, you know, I think it's I
think it's fun to watch mobile quarterbacks. You know, I
watch a lot of Justin Fields with the Bears, and
he was very fun to watch. That team was not
good at all, he had no help, but it was
fun to watch, right, So, I don't know. I guess

(01:26:55):
I would disagree with the sentiment that the Rams and
need a mobile quarterback. I don't necessarily leave that, but
I do think that the quarterback position has evolved, you know,
and people I think are drawn now more to mobile quarterbacks.
I don't know that I believe it's necessary, though. I
don't know if that was a good answer.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
No, I think it was a good answer. I mean,
you're basically saying that you don't think it's a necessity
to just go out of your way and get a
mobile quarterback. It can help, right, It really helps when
you fail to build an offensive line. But I think
it also makes you in a sense, it makes you negligent,
don't you see that? That's what I've actually noticed. I

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think gms have become so damn negligent because they have
a Patrick Mahomes or they have a justin fields. Oh,
we don't have to build the offensive line. We could
give them weapons, right because they can just run out
of harm's way. They don't put it as much of
an emphasis we saw. They can't say Chiefs that offensive
line is putrid. Oh, well, Patrick Mahomes he can do it.
He just yeah, he's been blown out in two Super Bowls.

(01:28:00):
Not even Patrick Mahomes could carry that. You know, so
I think it does. Here's how I would say it.
Do the Rams need a mobile quarterback? No, Matthew Stafford
isn't considered quote unquote mobile, although he is situationally, but
he's not necessarily a guy that runs or whatever. But

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the way I see it as this, Matthew Stafford not
being mobile forces him to do more which he's been
able to do. You can do. I still, to this
day believe this to be the case. I know Alexis
has to restart our computer to bear with me. I

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still believe this to be the case. You can win
a Super Bowl with any quarterback. Don't let anybody tell
you otherwise. You can win a Super Bowl. Jared Goff,
You can win a Super Bowl, Trent Dilfer, You can
win a super Bowl, but all of these things considered,
it makes the margin for that much slimmer. So like
playing the quarterback position, not having mobility makes your margin

(01:29:08):
for error that much slimmer. What do I mean by that, Well,
the quarterback can't just take off and run. He has
no mobility, and the offensive line has to be able
to block. Because they don't block, this guy can't get away,
he can't run. So that's how I look at it
is that mobility helps the quarterback and it helps your
offensive line, but it can also hurt your offensive line.

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And another thing that's important to bring up is when
you have a running quarterback who leaves the pocket too
soon and is still planning on throwing the football, but
you know he just leaves the pocket, Well, how are
you going to be able as a pass protector to
block these edge defenders and block these interior defensive linemen
on that type of an angle. That's why when you

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run out of an open pocket, a clean pocket, you
can actually ruin the pocket by you know, essentially abandoning
it because now the angle has changed, it's harder. And actually,
in addition to that, now you have more likely than
not you're gonna have to have offense alignement hold, and
you're more likely to be called for holding. So I

(01:30:16):
agree mobility helps, and I am a big fan of
the idea drafting Jalen Milroe to be your QB three
this year and let him just process and learn behind
guys like Matthew Stafford and Jimmy Garoppolo and being a
Sean McVay offense. But at the same time, I like

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Milroe not because he can run. I like Milroe because
his arm is a cannon and he can run. It's
not just because he can run. If Milroe if I
got that arm that was a total cannon and he
couldn't run, would I be interested. Probably not. But that's
the thing that makes him interesting. And then all the
other things. You know, I have great people in place.

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I can get the most out of him. What I
don't want is a guy to draft the quarterback just
because he's mobile. But now, I don't get a guy
that can throw with anticipation. I don't get a guy
that can lead because he's never been a leader in
his life. He runs away from the issue. I don't
get a guy that steps up into the pocket. I
get a guy that literally can see guys that are open,

(01:31:18):
but doesn't want to throw it to them, would rather
run and just clear an open pocket. I get a
guy that is making offensive linemen furious because they're kicking
ass up front. They're doing their job, and then they're
getting attached to Oh, you gave up five sacks in
this game. How the hell they give up five sacks? Oh?
Because my quarterback is no pocket presence. So the thing

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that is great about these traits and these perks is
when you have the other stuff. See, having game breaking
speed as a running back is all fine and dandy,
but if you have no vision, I don't give a
rip how fast you are, if you're if you run
a four to two forty, but you can't actually see

(01:32:01):
the broadside of a barn when it comes to reading
blocks and finding the hole and hitting it, I don't
give a rip. That's why I always defend Kyron Williams
because I always get the constant oh, man, well you
know Kyron is he does this, and sure, but man,
I don't even care about his pass protection. I'd rather

(01:32:22):
have a guy that runs a four to two and yeah,
that's great, that's great. Let's not care about pass protection.
Let's get our quarterback, who isn't that mobile killed? And
let's not worry about the little things. Let's actually totally
ignore the fact that he's very vital in short yard situations.
He has a nose for the end zone, has scored
over thirty touchdowns the last two years. Yeah, let's just

(01:32:43):
totally ignore that. Let's totally throw that out the window.
It doesn't matter because that guy in college that's playing
for that D two school that you keep sharing his
highlights and he never watched game film on him. He
runs the four two sick bro, how does he look
in past per Oh? I didn't see that on his
highlights exactly. There ain't none. So that's the point is

(01:33:05):
that it's great to have this. It's great to have that,
but if you don't have the things that I believe
are dire to playing the position, that's my issue. That's
why I'm not high on certain players. It's why it
looks like I have a pick on them. No, after
doing this since twenty sixteen, you start to see patterns.
Guys don't always translate the way that you think both

(01:33:27):
good and bad, but you see a pattern, the guys
that don't have the work ethic, the guys that aren't coachable,
the guys that don't do the little things. It tells
me that they're not doing enough to try and do
the little things. And those are the guys I'm not
betting on to succeed. So I'll take a mobile quarterback
in conclusion, but I'm not taking one and sacrificing the

(01:33:51):
ability to actually play the quarterback position because I don't
give a rip if you can run, if you can't
throw the ball. Yeah, I know that was like a steamroll,
but you know, I just I can't stand that. And like, again,
so Cal obviously it's not think it's you. I'm just

(01:34:11):
saying in general, it's I'm so over this. Like he
has to be able to run. I understand it's twenty
twenty five. I understand their edge defenders that are running
the four threes. That's scary. But isn't it amazing how
the guy that was mobile couldn't do a damn thing
against the Rams, not a damn thing. I like Jalen Hurts.

(01:34:35):
Jalen Hurts isn't the reason the Eagles won that game.
Like Matthew Stafford in the snow with no mobility dominated
Jalen Hurts outplayed him and they should have won. And
guess what, the Eagles have multiple guys that run in
the fourth threes on their defense, and that still never

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was the reason why Stafford, you know, they lost. It
was a guy in the trenches who runs what like
probably a four to six four seven in Jalen Carter,
which is crazy hunting. But like this idea, you know
what I mean. Like again, margin frerer makes it easier
to play the position when you have it, but if

(01:35:17):
you don't have the other things that are required to
play in the position, I don't care about that nice
little perk that you got. I don't It's like, oh, yeah,
you know that that kicker, he's really really fast. Okay,
can he kick?

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
Then I don't care, Like you know what I mean,
Like I see I've seen that before. People go, oh
the putter bitch six hundred or you know whatever. He
deadlifted six hundred. Yeah, that's great. Can he punt? Yeah,
you know he's got some accuracy. I don't give a
crap about his you know, his strength. I don't care.

(01:36:00):
Oh we can make a tackle in the open field. Oh,
he'll be a special team's asset. Give me a break.
So yeah, those are just the little things that are
the big things. And that's why I'm always defending Hian Williams.
It's why I'm always defending guys that do the little things.
It's why I'm always defending rams, you know, wide receivers
because they actually block. Like when I watched tape on

(01:36:23):
a guy and I'm like, oh my god, he just
throws his helmet at the guy's like foot and he's like, yeah, guys,
I blocked in the run game. No, you bit his ankle.
That's completely different than blocking. So yeah, I could go
on and on and on, but I'm not going to.
I already did uh anyway, And that wasn't me taking

(01:36:45):
out on a super chatter, that was just me in general.
You you kicked open a can of worms on that one.
Appreciate you, though, Deb, Thank you for the twenty Are
you all going to do? Oh? Sorry, what was that
I said?

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
Thank you? Debh My?

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Yeah, it was all weird, like I could kind of
hear you but kind of not. Yes, thank you, Deb?
Are you all going to do some draft interviews? Also?
Welcome back? I mean I'm sure, we'll get to a few,
but we are getting closer to the draft.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
Yeah, it's been kind of a weird year with draft interviews,
between scheduling and just yeah, it's been kind of a
weird off year for us. Yeah, but maybe if not,
I mean, we're for sure gonna at least do episodes
where we're breaking down you know, some players. We'll do

(01:37:40):
our mock draft episodes, So we usually do a few
episodes where we'll do like a live mock draft with
everybody during the episode, which are usually fun because then
we have like everybody's opinion, uh yelling who we should
take at each pick, and then we try and like
figure it out, so it's like fun chaos. But yeah,
we'll definitely do a lot of like draft content in

(01:38:03):
terms of interviews, though not sure. Hopefully, hopefully we get
a few. One I'm hoping from the days when we
were doing like one hundred and fifty guys, like one
hundred and fifty interviews in like two months.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
Yeah, I'm hoping I could find Ruiz's super check because
he's saying that he had one that we missed and
normally so what happens is they auto they put it
in like our starred section, and I guess I just
never saw it. I don't even think it's here. Oh
here it is. Oh, I see it now because he

(01:38:43):
did it before we went live. That's why are no
it looks like during I don't know why, but anyway,
I found it. Hey and Puna close second. Glock nine
returning was big. So that was answering our question and
he dropped to super chat for it. So appreciate that.
Favorite off season move for Ruiz Tay and Puna close

(01:39:07):
second Glock nine returning was big.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
I like it. I like it a lot. And then
he's got another one here. Dtard is so far outside
of Lions game? What game, guys? So I don't know
what game I'm going to yet. I think it's Lions
are Eagles with my father. I don't know. Maybe I'll

(01:39:32):
go to multiple games. Who knows? Do we have any
games on the East Coast.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
I don't know what game I'm going to. Yeah, it's
just whenever the schedule comes out, and usually comes out
towards the nm A. That's kind of what I'm going
to figure figure it out. Definitely going to be going
to an away game, I think like Atlanta was a
game I thought, if the scheduling worked out, sounded like
a fun one because I've never been there and I

(01:39:57):
wanted to try and go to like an away stadium
I have been to, so thinking about going to the
Atlanta game whenever that is depending on scheduling. Yeah, so
we'll see, but definitely hoping to do at least one game.
Is so far in one away game?

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
Yeah, no, that sounds that sounds like that would be fun.
Appreciate that, Ruiz, And then last one here we'll wrap
this up. Hank thoughts on trading for Jill Milton. I
think it's thumbs up.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
I do think he's available that I think is out there.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
Yeah, would you transform.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
Probably not at the moment, because I mean we have,
like we still have Stetson Bennett on the roster, like
we still have active I'd cut him right now. Well, no,
I would too for Milton, but I don't think that
they're going to cut him, which is why I'm like,
I mean, trading for him when you've already got three
quarterbacks in the roster that you're not getting rid of.

(01:41:00):
I don't know. So, I mean I guess the answer
would be yes, I just don't think that the Rams
are going to Maybe that's what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
So, well, I'm asking you this, right of the quarterbacks,
are you saying that you're calling bullshit on the Rams drafting.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
One kind of yeah, at the moment, I am. I mean,
I don't know. I guess it's just like I don't
see anybody. I don't see the Rams drafting a quarterback
before round four, I think three, and then I don't

(01:41:41):
see Like when I look at where the quarterbacks fall,
it's just like then my question is like who are
they taking there? Like, like who you know? Everyone that
I don't know. I guess anything could happen. I just
I don't know. I don't like this class that much.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
I don't know if there's anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:42:02):
I see in the class that I'm like, yeah, that's
a guy that I want the Rams to take, or
I think that the Rams are going to really like
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
Know, I got too.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
Well, yeah, you like, uh, you the guy, or you
think that they the Syracuse guy?

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
Well, yeah, I think he. I mean, if he pans
out like I think he will in a Sean McVay offense,
He's Kirk Cousins two point oh but I really my
favorite is Jaln Milroe because if I'm drafting a guy
in the third round and I can get elite traits
at a position that is scarce, and there are gonna

(01:42:44):
be guys to get that go in the first round
at that position that don't have them, Like give me Milrow.
Milroe's got an elite arm, he's got elite speed. The
way I would describe Milroe is and this is what
I've been told and this is kind of how I
feel when I watch him. If you figure it out,
he'stremire Gibbs at quarterback. We're talking about that level of explosion.

(01:43:06):
We're talking about a guy first or I don't think
he's going to see I don't buy that because remember
when Liberty's quarterback, Oh god, what the hell is his name? Yes? Willis?
Remember when oh Willis? Yeah, he's top fifteen, locked, top fifteen,
he's going in the top ten. Now he might even

(01:43:27):
go in the top five when in the third round
this quarterback class.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
In the third round though, he's going.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
I think he could. I absolutely think he could. My
thing here is that I wouldn't take a quarterback. I
don't think i'd take a quarterback in round two. That's
gonna be QB three. I would take one in round three,
and I would take mill Row if I had to,

(01:43:56):
But this is not This is not a good quarterback class.
The thing about Milrow is that he's got a like
elite traits both won with the arm, with the legs,
where you're like I, if he falls to the third
round and he could, I think you're getting something that
you've never had before. Bryce Perkins was fast. Jalen Milroe

(01:44:20):
is a rocket ship. So I just feel like if
there is a way that you could bring in a
guy like that, he could probably help you this year.
Put him in some packages, whatever he works on, the
things he needs to work on. Sean McVay has been
bringing in new ideologies and philosophies for years, Like he

(01:44:44):
had Wade Phillips. Then he, you know, Vic Fangio beat
the crap out of his offense, so then he brought
in vic Fangio's tree. I wouldn't be surprised that Sean
McVay brought in a guy like Milroe. I've never had
a quarterback like that. Before you bring him in, you
work on him. I think it'd make a lot of
sense I do Milton. What I will say to end

(01:45:06):
this one, I don't think Milton makes sense for Milton alexis,
why are they trading Joe Milton because he doesn't want
to be a QB three? Like the Patriots signed another guy,
so like they're they're trading Milton because Milton feels like
he can play somewhere. And to be honest with you,
I mean, he could probably be the starting quarterback at
the Browns at this rate. So yeah, I don't know.

(01:45:31):
I like the idea of having that type of player.
I'm not saying you have to get mil Row, but
I that's the guy I would want. That said, I'm
not overly hyped about this quarterback draft. I like Dart
and the third I don't like him at twenty six.
I would consider it if Shador Sanders fell to twenty six.

(01:45:53):
I would even consider that. I wouldn't probably do it,
but I'd consider it because Sanders doesn't have any elite traits.
But one thing about Sanders is that he's really tough.
He's got good poise in the pocket, he's got some
good accuracy, doesn't have a strong arm, but he makes
all the right decisions. I think you know, you could

(01:46:14):
start to argue that, but yeah, that's all I got there.
Appreciate the super chat there, and then Ruiz is back
with another super chat. Thank you for the five Ruis.
You should have been more clear. I got two tickets
to Paradise. Laugh my ass off. I got both of
you with my seats dtr to LA. Let's make it

(01:46:36):
happen so I don't have to take two trips to
LA if that's the case.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
Yeah, I appreciate that. That's very very kind. Yes, definitely
might have to take you up on that. Yeah, when
the schedule, it's the schedule I think is going to
be the key because I have so many things I
agree that I have to do through the end of September,
so like anything that I do is going to have

(01:47:00):
to be after September. So I just got to see
who's playing when. But yeah, I would love love to
see you there.

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
That would be cool. I haven't seen Alexis in a while,
so I know we.

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
Haven't seen each other in person in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
Yeah. That was Super Bowl season. Mm hmmm mmmm that
I think that was the last one. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but Ruiz, you're the man. You know that we'll definitely
be in touch on that regard because I just went
and saw the Eagles with him last year, so appreciate that.

(01:47:42):
It's been fun. We're back ready to go next week.
Maybe we'll do a mock draft or something. Who knows,
But do you have anything you want to add to
that or are we be good to go?

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
No, just that I'm happy to be back doing this
and happy to be chatting with you guys again. And
you know a lot of us have kept in touch,
you know, on social media through the off season and
in the few months that that we've been on hiatus
from the show. But it is good to be back
doing our seventh season, which is crazy. We've we've done

(01:48:14):
many many episode, yeah, of this show, and so we
will definitely be back, you know, doing mock drafts and
and kind of doing those in different forms. We usually
do some collaborative like with Live with everybody listening. Then
we usually do some where Jake and I take turns

(01:48:35):
you know picking uh, you know, draft picks and and
all that type of good stuff. But yeah, we're back
in the swing of things. We'll be back you know
on Friday nights doing the show and then we've got
now Jake, less than a month until our draft stream.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
That is true, that'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
Sixth fifth annual.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
Oh boy, why are you gonna get me with the.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
Man our seventh.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
Pizzas will be ordered?

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
Yes, yes, and Jason, I saw your comment about D's memorial. Yes,
happy to do it. Those of you who knew D
on the RAMS Twitter space who passed away, very sadly,
you know, we are donating. Me and Pink Survivor is

(01:49:32):
her Twitter user name if you know her, are putting
together like a Ram's floral spray that many of you
have donated to for d celebration of life. So that's
going to be there and we'll be posting pictures of
that when that occurs this weekend. So yeah, we are
very very sad and we all miss D very much,

(01:49:53):
but we're very happy that we get to honor her
in this way and that so many of you donated
to that as well, so appreciate that. And yeah, Jake,
like I said, less than a month seventh Annuel Downtown
Rams draft stream, Jake and I are alive for the
entire event. It's crazy. We are delusional by the end

(01:50:16):
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
Oh yeah, I definitely started hallucinating by the end of
day three.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
But yeah, it'll be it'll be good time. It'll be
a good time. So yeah, guys, definitely definitely come hang
out with us on Friday nights, you know, the rest
of the off season until the draft, and it's going
to be a good time. Yeah. I'm so sore right now. Sorry,
I'm like my I don't know if I told you so.

(01:50:44):
I thought last and improv that I could be Chris Farley.
Oh no, I did a massive physical choice.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
Oh physical comedy.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
Yeah, because I love physical comedy, just not built for it.
And there's also a smart way to do it and
a not smart way to do it. And I did
it the not smart way, which is to just be
in the heat of the moment and don't actually plan
it out. You just like violently threw. So I threw myself,
I like dropped dead on a floor, you know whatever,
And I slammed nobody really like I think could tell

(01:51:22):
that I like very brutally injured myself. But my whole
like left side is like very bruised, like my left
like quad on the side like right where I hit
the floor.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
Uh ruh.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
Yeah, very too bold of a choice. Not built like that.
Need to practice the comedy falls more before. I'm just
on stage being a fool of myself. But I'm like,
the whole left side of my body.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
Hurts black and blues just all over.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
Literally, it's gnarly. I I uh yeah, was not a
that I threw myself onto. It was fun. It was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
That's cool. I'm glad you had fun.

Speaker 1 (01:52:06):
Lisa, I had fun. And on that note, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
Yeah, didn't get laughs. That's what we need to know.

Speaker 1 (01:52:12):
It was worth it, so all, it was worth it
in the end.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
It's good.

Speaker 1 (01:52:19):
Exactly. But guys, as always, if you like what you hear,
please like and subscribe. You can follow us on social
media at Downtown Rams. You can follow me on Twitter
slash x at the Alexis Craft I am on Instagram
at Alexis Craft. You can follow Jake and all platforms
at JK Bogan and guys. Like I said, we will

(01:52:39):
be back next Friday night. But until then, as always,
stay safe, take care and go Rams

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
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