Ep.570: How DEVASTATING of a loss did the Rams suffer to the 49ers?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, guys, welcome back to Downtown RAMS. As always,
I'm Alexis Kraft. Join here with my co host Jake
ellen Bogan, and guys, we are coming to you after
a heartbreaking Thursday night football loss against the San Francisco
forty nine ers at SOFI Stadium last night in primetime.

(00:22):
It was a loss that I think none of us
that way.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I didn't want to. I was literally in La last night.
When you put it that way, that's weird.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, Jake was at the game, so Jake got to
experience heartbreak in person, which a lot of people listening
probably did as well if you were at the game
last night at SOFI. But all of us are devastated, rightfully.
So it was a game that we should not have lost.
We weren't expecting to lose, and yet we did for

(00:57):
a lot of different reasons, and something that you know,
I know a lot of us were RAMS fans are
in agreement on, you know, because there's a lot I
think that happened in the game that we disagree on.
But one thing I think we all are consistent about
is that really from the first drive of that game,
this RAMS team did not seem like themselves. They felt flat,

(01:19):
they felt confused, they felt lost. It felt like the
effort wasn't there. And listen, this is a short week,
but it was a short week for the forty nine
ers too, And the forty nine ers, let's just call
a spade a spade, were severely injured offensively. That was
part of the reason that we all, I think, had
a good feeling about the Rams right in this game.

(01:42):
And you know, injuries happened and the forty nine ers
were dealing with that. So it just felt like Jake,
from the first drive, this team seemed so baffling, so
confusing in a way that I hate to say, it
almost felt like a team coming in expecting to win.
And especially defensively, I mean towards the game, I felt
like the defense and offenses they often do, switched right.

(02:06):
Which is part of the problem with this Rams team
is we can never just all be up here the
entire game. It has to kind of fluctuate. And I
felt like defensively, you know, this Shanahan offense, as they
typically do, kind of had their way with the Rams
defense and it was just a bummer, you know, to
watch that. You know happened the entire game, and then
the offense struggled to score. Then they kind of got involved, right,

(02:28):
they got creative, they were able to claw their way back,
and then they end up losing in overtime. And we're
going to talk about the reasons that that happened, but overall,
I just think it was not a solid effort all
four quarters of the football game. And that has been
the Rams' biggest enemy this season, in my opinion, is
beating themselves. They have not played a consistent game from

(02:51):
start to finish, and they're not going to be competitive
if they can't figure it out. So, Jake, you were
at the game, which seemed like until the loss, a
good time. It seemed like you had a really nice
couple of days in LA and were able to have
some fun when you weren't watching the Rams play football,
So you know, as unfortunate as that is, But Jake,

(03:15):
looking at this this game, I mean, really there was
failures everywhere defensively, offensively, special teams, highlight, underscore, capitalize, special
teams errors. What's your overall impression of what happened here?
And we'll get into things specifically, but you know what happened.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
The Rams didn't show up in the form that you
were hoping for. I don't really. I guess let's start
with the defense, because I think it really starts with
the defense. Okay, time possession battle is a big deal
in the NFL. And apologies ahead of time, I lost
my voice because you guys are always like, yeah, make
a lot of noise when you go to so far.

(03:56):
Well I did, and I'm paying job. But the Rams
time of possession is insane. I don't think I've ever
seen this. Maybe I have when they play the forty
nine Ers in primetime when they got blown out and
they ran the ball forty times, the forty nine Ers

(04:17):
had forty oh four in time of possession. The Rams
had twenty six to twenty. Now, I want to be
honest here my my biggest issue with the defense.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
First off, we were right, we told you guys.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Akello Witherspoon is very key and critical for this secondary
He's been gone for a few games now. And the
secondary corners. I don't want to rip on the safeties.
I think the safeties are still great. The corners are struggling.
Emmanuel Forbes is struggling. I think Emmanuel Forbes looked pretty

(04:56):
decent when he was on the field with a kello,
but without a kello, he looks not great. Darius Williams
I thought he was the best last night, and Kobe
Durant struggled. So right now, the cornerbacks just gave up
one hundred and forty two yards to Kendrick Bourne. I

(05:16):
like Kendrick Bourne. I've always like Kendrick Bourne. Went to
the same school as Cooper Cup. He's always been a
guy that I really liked. But Kendrick Bourne had a
legacy game last night. I'm watching this guy and he
looks like freaking Jerry Rice in person. And a lot
of those plays were yards after the catch. He caught

(05:36):
ten of eleven targets for one hundred and forty two yards.
He had a thirty five yard play, So right now,
you look at those corners.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Not great.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
The linebackers got abused in coverage more so the game plan,
which I disagree with, and I'll get into that. Chris Shula,
mac Jones is not Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, insert any
elite quarterback there. He's not Matthew Stafford. Why did you

(06:12):
go away from playing the normal cover three that you've
been playing this year? Why did you play so much
cover too? Why were you trying to eliminate the explosives?
Don't you realize the forty nine ers m O. By now,
the forty nine ers is entirely the short passing attack.
But you're able to get yards after the catch. We've

(06:35):
talked about this forever. Brandon Ayuk, Deebo Samuel, these are
Juwan Jennings. These are guys that make plays after the catch.
George Kittle, their whole m O. Christian McCaffrey, Lo and behold.
Christian McCaffrey had eighty two yards receiving on eight catches.
You want to know how many yards after the catch?

Speaker 3 (06:56):
He had?

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Seventy eight in the aid of his eighty two came
after the catch, meaning he's just getting dinks and dunks
and just taking it. So, Alexis, I think we have
to start here. What was Chris Shula thinking coming into
this game? Why are you game planning against Mac Jones

(07:20):
like he's gonna throw bombs down the field. I don't
understand that. I haven't figured that out. There was no
robber underneath. So when Mac Jones was just playing pitch
and catch with wide open receivers, there's nobody underneath to
kind of jump those routes.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
I don't really get it.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I really do feel like Chris Shula's game plan was atrocious,
and I think really it just it did two different things. One,
it gave the forty nine ers confidence they could literally
do whatever they wanted and they were totally fine just
playing pitch and catch. They noticed they didn't need to

(08:01):
take a shot down the field. They're fine just hitting
those seven eight yard plays. Now it's second and two,
now it's third and one, right, So that's hard to defend.
Mac Jones is just standing tall in the pocket. I
don't know why. The pass rush, I know they ended
up getting like eighteen pressures. According to PFF, pass rush

(08:25):
wasn't great. They sent blitzers, they didn't get through. The
blitzing has not been great either. They have not been
getting home and you have to because it leaves the
guy wide open. So I think one Chris Shula really
kind of screwed them on that. But number two, because
of that, now, the way the forty nine Ers and

(08:45):
Kyle Shanahan wanted to run the offense, they wanted to
use Mac Jones as a game manager, and Mac Jones.
The numbers are a little ridiculous here, Okay, a lot of.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Respect for him.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
I told you to be a forty nine er if
you've been following the channel, three hundred and forty two
yards two touchdowns, but at the three hundred and forty
two he's probably got over one hundred and fifty yards
after the catch yards And so that right there is
a player that was just doing his job, was managing
the game, not making mistakes and letting everything kind of

(09:22):
come to him, and it worked out. And what it
ultimately did, Alexis kept them on the field forty minutes
of a sixty minute game, sixty six minute game because
they went to overtime. But not only that, it kept
the offense off the field that basically was going down
the field at will. They only ran sixty four plays

(09:44):
to the forty nine ers eighty three Alexis. They had
a fewer possession and they still had more total yards.
At four hundred and fifty six to four oh seven
yards per play is astronomical. And this is where I
have to push back on people's saying the Rams didn't
show up their offense did They had seven point one

(10:05):
yards per play to the forty nine ers four point nine.
So they were potent and they were efficient, but they
only had the ball twenty six minutes in the game.
Then guess what Because of that, the defense already didn't
show up well, the game plan already sucked. But now
you factor in the fact that, look, they're on the
field for forty minutes in this game, they were exhausted.

(10:29):
They weren't playing well before they were exhausted. They're not
going to play much better when they're exhausted. So I think,
Alexis the dialogue has to start with Chris Shula.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
I saw you tweeted out. I agree.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
I have no idea what he was thinking, but you
gotta just tip your cap to the forty nine ers offense.
They did a great job of attacking a very lenient defense.
It was really bizarre the way that they just hired
to manage this.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
I truly like Shula needs to answer for this because
it was so surprising, especially knowing the way that Shanahan
operates his offense. And we have to give Kyle Shanahan credit. Listen,
it's not a fun thing to do to give him props,
but you know, you look at his record versus Sean McVay,

(11:17):
and you have to he's a very good coach. I
really believe that he can make his offense work with anybody,
you know, whoever is in there. And that's something that's
said a lot. And again, why are you playing so
far off of these receivers, especially throughout the first half
that that shit should have been knocked out at the

(11:40):
very minimum to offensive drives. I mean when you for
the forty nine ers, I mean that became very very
clear very early on that they were gonna have a
lot of success with that. There should have been adjustments,
and there was no adjustments, right it was it was
the coverage was so bad that it was hard to
really be like, who's who is struggling and who is

(12:01):
just playing the scheme that they're being asked to play
right now? So it just you know that there was
a total total drop by Chula and that game plan
was just entirely unacceptable. And I really, as you said,
there's no explanation for why that happened. I don't know

(12:23):
how you can do that against the Kyle Shanahan offense,
and I don't know how you can continue to do
it through multiple quarters of a football game. And you know,
the defense and kind of like I talked about in
the intro, the problem is like the defense made some
minor adjustments going forward and then they end up stepping

(12:43):
up later on in the game. Right. You know, we
had some big stops, right, especially as the offense gets hot.
But again, it's like, we can't afford to do that
anymore because the problem that this Rams team keeps falling
into is that they can't have four quarters of football
with a consistent an offense and defense. And it's really
causing problems, uh for the team. I mean, it's it's

(13:06):
going to be hard to win football games if you
can't both be on the same page at the same time.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
And it's frustrating because I really do think that the
majority of this loss falls on how the defense operated
early on in the game. I mean, you can't let
mac Jones and Kendrick Bourne do that. You just can't.
There there's no excuse it was. So you know, listen,
I give them props. I do give the forty nineers

(13:32):
offense props. They were injured. Nobody believed in them, really,
I mean in the media even I give them props.
I mean, the Rams got utterly embarrassed by Mac Jones
and Kendrick Bourne and what's that tight ends named Tom John.
I mean, listen, like that's it's embarrassing. The Rams should

(13:55):
feel embarrassed, and they should feel demoralized at least for
a few days after that, and use that to like
they're fired defensively because the way that that all went
down in the first half is just entirely unacceptable. And
so that you know, again, it's not the only reason
that the Rams lost this football game, but I think
that the tone that was set defensively was so poor

(14:18):
to start this football game that I think that's when
we all thought, Okay, this might not go the way
we want. Right when we see the forty nine ers
offense marching with ease down the field on our fully
healthy defense, not good. So I think going forward, there's
going to have to be be some answers that come

(14:38):
from Chris Shula on that, and there's gonna have to
be a different game plan going forward. But yeah, I
mean the secondary, Jake, I mean, I thought I thought
the secondary really struggled in this game, but particularly corners,
as you pointed out, that's going to be a discussion
going forward. Is the Rams need to get a true
CB one now we don't have one at the moment.

(14:59):
We we're having these inconsistent games from Forbes and Durant
and Williams, like, you need to go get a guy
that you can rely on and who's going to set
the tone for the secondary because that that is just
not good enough and it's you're not going to be
able to compete. As we've seen in every game this season.
We didn't just struggle at corner of this game, It's

(15:20):
been in every game. Issue. So I don't know, I
think I don't know if there's anything else you want
to say about the defense before we move on, But
I just felt like it was really disheartening to see
the defense come out the way they did, not just
with the scheme, but they just felt flat like they
didn't have any life, They didn't any grit to them
in a way that was super apparent from the first drive.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, I mean, I want to give them credit in
a sense where the coaching staff decides, Okay, Emmanuel Forbes,
you haven't really been doing a lot for us, so
you're going to play fifteen snaps. Darius Williams is going
to play forty and Kobe Durant is going to play
forty nine. Agreed with that, right. What I didn't agree
with is now you're playing cover to cover two beatter

(16:03):
you're gonna obviously anybody that knows this, or you're gonna
throw over the middle. And because of that, I felt like,
now Nate Landman's getting picked on. And I thought Lambman
played well. But the stats will show Labman gave up
seven catches on eleven targets for eighty nine yards. Personally,
I don't think that's that bad considering how often he
was kind of left on an island. There still forced

(16:25):
two pass breakups in this game, so he looked good.
I thought Quentin Lake, you know, he he didn't look
like the best, but I didn't think he was as
bad as people were saying. Gave up seven of eight
catches for eighty yards. Again, tough assignment, had a pass
breakup there, you know, I thought, uh, you know, Cam
Curle looked fine. Jaylen McCullough, I would have liked to

(16:46):
see the muse him more as a robber. I think
they could have, you know, had a pick over the middle. Honestly,
you want to know what Mac Jones. The game plan
reminded me of those quick slants over the middle. It
looked like I wasching Tom Brady in the New England
Patriots just continuously hit over the middle for whatever reason
that we'd all be sitting at home, Well you know

(17:07):
where he's going. Why is that open over the middle
of the field, right, And and that just that's how
it felt.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
But I got a lot of respect for mac Jones.
I do.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
And I'll say this, and I said it on many shows.
Mac Jones. If he's not better than brock Purty, he's
near brock Party. And the fact that he's near brock
Party in cost two years eight million dollars as opposed
to the fifty plus million Brock Parties getting Well, now
you have yourself a quarterback controversy. It's going to get
interesting in San Francisco. But this is my take. I

(17:39):
think that's bad for the Rams. The fact that they
found this out is bad for the Rams, very bad.
What I would do if I was the forty nine
ers is I was, I would try and trade brock
Party right now to a contender. See, like anybody that's
trying to upgrade their quarterback, I would trade him I
would go all in on Ma Jones, and the reason

(18:01):
being is because you look at Jared Goff, right, you know,
when the Rams first had Jared Goff on a rookie deal,
what were they able to do. Go out and get
in Dominkin, Sue, go out and get a keyd to leave,
Go out and get Marcus Peters. Because now you have
a quarterback contract that's a rookie contract. I'm not saying
mac Jones is a rookie, but getting a guy that
can play like what we saw last night at two years,

(18:24):
you know, eight million dollars a year. At four million
dollars a year, two years, eight million, that is insane.
Those margins are absolutely unreal. If he can play like that,
then they got on for four million for the next
two years. There's no doubt about it. They should be
contenders next year without a doubt. And now they can

(18:46):
pour all their money instead of worrying about him, they
can pour it into fixing the defense, adding another player,
you know, in the offense, like that's what I'm talking about.
So yeah, wrapping it up in a bow. Though I
don't know what the defense was thinking. The irony is
you were worried about mac Jones beating you through the air.
But mac Jones ends up getting explosive plays by just

(19:10):
dinking and dunking his way to do it because you
gave him open field. And that's the thing. So yeah,
we can move on. I thought the Rams defended the
run well, but I don't think Christian mcaffrey's a good
running back anymore.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
I just don't. He's a receiver, that's all. He is.
Two point eight yards per carry.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
He's lost it, you know, he's clearly hit a wall injuries, right,
But the Rams have done a really nice job stop
in the run. Maybe they put a little bit too
much focus on that, not enough on mac Jones and
what he could do just dinking and dunking. But anyway,
the offense, alexis which you know what I hate about

(19:48):
and I already kind of told you. But the offense
had the same amount of first downs as the forty
nine ers twenty seven, despite the fact that they had
fourteen fewer minutes of holding the football. Okay, the the
offense was four of ten, you know, four out of
ten on third down, two out of three on fourth down.
It's only sixty four plays, four hundred and fifty six yards.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
They looked really good. They really did. They moved the
ball at will.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
My biggest concern, and this is my biggest concern, is
that I feel like Sean McVay gets again, and I've
been saying this, he gets in his head things that
are working he goes away from because he's anticipating the
other team figuring it out before they do. And that's

(20:38):
my concern. Like, I don't understand, let's start off with this.
I don't understand why Blake Koram is in there on
the pitch. See everyone's talking about Kyra Williams fumble as
if that lost them the game, right because of the
moment it happened. And we'll talk about it. Don't worry,

(21:00):
we'll talk about it. I have my thoughts like as
their thoughts, and we'll be fair. We will. But that's set, Okay.
Blake Koram drops a pitch. See Kyron Williams his fumble,
he got punched in the face. So regardless of how
you feel about it, you know whatever, Like he fumbled,

(21:22):
that was a forced fumble. The team had to do
something to force said fumble. Blake Cooram was an unforced error.
He literally didn't catch the pitch, and then people on
the internet want to say it wasn't a good toss
by Stafford. No, you're making excuses for him. You're holding

(21:44):
it a completely different double standard here because you're saying
Kyrin you know, okay, he fumbled. That's a big deal.
Blake Korum dropped the freaking ball in the backfield, and
we're trying to make excuse about oh, well Stafford didn't
throw it. No, no, no, that's bullshit. So I'm gonna tear
you up. Alexis Okay. I feel as though Kyron absolutely

(22:12):
was in the wrong because he had three more runs
after that first down. You see him holding it right,
He's done such a good job at covering it up.
I was right next to Jesse at Sofi saying it.
I was like, I love the way Kyroen does this.
I need to see more of that from Blake Kormwick.
When he runs it, you could tell he hasn't he
hasn't experienced those fumbles yet, right, he doesn't cover Kiren's

(22:36):
been covering perfectly. So what happened, Well, you watch and
Kiren's actually covered up and what he doesn't realize is
in that moment he sees Pader, so then he tries
to kind of kick it into that extra gear. And
this is where you're wrong to do that. I understand

(22:58):
wanting to be the hero. Guess what you were gonna
be the hero. Take the yards, cover up, take the yards.
We're gonna go back to you. They had three more plays.
That was four down territory. You have to know Sean
McVay has mentioned this before. If it's not fourth down,
I don't want you stretching the ball out because you could,

(23:18):
you know, do an ad an I Mitchell right, that's
he's been saying that. He said that forever. He doesn't
want guys on his team stretching the ball out to
try to reach through the pylon and accidentally fumble. Unless
it is required and it's a fourth down, winner take
all play. Kyron has to be better at covering up,
which he was doing. Hold the cover up and if

(23:41):
he gets in, great, If not, it's second and goal
and I could just run it to Kyron again, or
I can throw it with Matthew Stafford who they couldn't stop.
But that's the problem is that that play. No one
seems to want to talk about that point is that
Kyron literally is covering it up, and then he sees

(24:01):
He's like, oh, I have a chance to just hit
it home, and he goes away from his initial intentions
and because of that, you can tell it's instant regret.
He was also punched in the head. I want to
tell you guys this, I did the research. That's a
fifteen yard penalty on necessary roughness. You can't hit a
ball carrier in the head. He gets away with it

(24:22):
because of the giant conglomerate that is the entire offensive line,
defensive line. There's just a lot of traffic in there,
and so refs aren't going to call that, and then
obviously you can't review that call, you know, to have
that flag. So yeah, Alfred Collins, it's a great play,
but it's also illegal. You can't just go ah and

(24:45):
punch a guy right in the head. But yeah, what's
say you?

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Well, I mean, I agree with you totally on all points.
You know. The fumble obviously is a very big point
of contention right now. And listen, I'm as big of
a Kyrom Williams fan as they come. I'm the Kirien
Williams fan arguably as a dub by everybody else in Twitter,
and he made a really bad mistake. And you know what,
there's been a lot of games that people have tried

(25:11):
to pin on Kyrien because people want to scapegoat him,
and he's the running back, and that's kind of what
you do. You know, that's the position that fumbles the most, right,
And there's been a lot of times where people have
lazily tried to blame a loss in Kien Williams. This
is the only one I think there's even remotely an
argument for it. And I still think it's a lazy argument.
But if somebody wants to make it, go for it.

(25:33):
If you want to say that that one play lost
the rams the game, then you didn't watch the entire game.
And something else that people always say in professional sports
or college sports, or any of you who've played sports,
you know what coaches say, don't put yourself in a
position to lose because of one play or a bad
play call. Right, but it was bad he as you said.

(25:54):
You can watch it happen in real time. It was
half a second he had it covered. I think that
you're right. He saw it and he wanted to make
sure he got there and he put his arm down
to throw himself into the end zone and that second
it was a mistake and it was bad and he
can't make that. However, as you said, he also did

(26:16):
fully get punched in the face, and had that been caught,
it would have been a fifteen yard penalty. So that
is that is a bummer. I'm not so much in
the camp that, you know, to say that he wouldn't
have fumbled had he not gotten punched. We're not going
to know that he took his arm down. It certainly

(26:38):
played a factor because the punch followed through is what
ended up knocking the ball out. And he does go limp.
If you watch that clip, it's everywhere after he gets hit.
I mean, his arm's just he does go limp. It's
so not an excuse though, because as we said, he
made a really bad mistake diving into that end zone
and it is what it is. You know, I think
it's unfortunate. I think though the discourse around Kien Williams

(27:01):
is unfair for this game. You want to talk about
the Rams offense. Kyan Williams had two receiving touchdowns for
the Rams over what one hundred and sixty yards total
between rushing and receiving yards. So if you take Kien
Williams out of that game, you're getting beat by the
forty nine Ers by a lot more than you did, right,
So it is just that the great irony, and what's

(27:24):
so painful I think about that is that he for him,
he was the hero of that game and was about
to be an even bigger hero, and he became the
villain unintentionally with that one play. And I don't think
that's fair to say. I don't think that. I don't
think it's fair because I think, listen, you win and
lose as a team. There were so many things the

(27:45):
Rams did wrong in this game against the forty nine ers,
and so many things that Kian Williams did that got
the Rams in a position to even make a win possible.
That makes that statement unfair. But he did make a mistake,
and I think it's fair to criticize him for it.
I think it's fair to talk about the fumbling issue.
He's going to have to to earn trust back, and

(28:07):
he's gonna have to and I think he will. I mean,
he's such a critical part of that offense. But again,
I think the discourse has been really unfair. Uh, but
but it was bad. It was a really bad fumble
that at the worst time. He could have done that
in the game, and I feel for him, and yeah,
I think, I don't know, it's just bad. The punch

(28:29):
in the head not great. The fourth and one call,
we should talk about that, Listen. I agreed with going
for it on fourth and one, but I think that
was a horrible call. And I know that you agree
with me. That was the worst call. And it has
nothing to even do with Kyne.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
No, you just the Eagles. It's the same, that are same.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
It's it's the bad. It's just a bad play call
for a lot of reasons, but particularly why do you
take the ball out of Matthew Stafford's hands. Your your
working down the field and overtime and Matthew Stafford is
as hot as he's been the entire game, and you're
he's dishing out the ball. I mean he dished it
to Kyron too. Kyroen made some critical catches right in

(29:12):
that drive. And yet you get to fourth and one,
you decide to go for it to win the game,
and you run that play. And the reason that play
didn't work is because are blocking that play was atrocious
from both the line and the receivers who were blocking.
I mean, if you go and rewatch that fourth and
one play, they they folded immediately. It just was it
was bad and they were expecting it. San Francisco. Yeah,

(29:36):
that it just I can't believe you make that that
play call. If I had the choice between running that
play call and just kicking it, I think I would
rather have kicked it.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
That's how little right guard the whole day.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
And that's how yeah, little faith I have in that
play call. And it just again it play call in
and you know, we talk about defense, we talk about
the offensive failures, which just early on in the game,
I think was you know, game plan, you look at

(30:10):
the offensive drive. Obviously that fumble by Quorum not good,
and then you know you get the receiving touchdown from Kiren,
But then you had a couple of drives where you know,
the offense stalled out, and it's like Terrence Ferguson, you
use one time and it's a great play, so great,
and then you don't do anything. You use Davis Allen

(30:31):
once and he's.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Great for five in the red zone. Why is Terrence
Ferguson not in every single time you're in the red zone.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
It just it's just what.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
It is. And it's again, it's hard, and it's like,
why can we not get to too out? Well had
a great game every time that he was targed. I
think he had one target that didn't go his way,
but he was consistent. He was great. Right, you use
these guys that you don't target often and like good
things happen. But again, it's like Adams Nakua and Kien
Williams are the only receivers for whatever reason they use consistently.

(31:05):
And I'm not saying that that you know, you do
what works, right, Kien Williams are two receiving touchdowns. Yeah, great,
you know that's fine, But why are you when you're
struggling other times in the end zone? Like why are
you not utilizing Terrence Ferguson, Why are you not?

Speaker 3 (31:21):
It just it.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
That's another reason I think the play calling. We have
not seen offensive play calling be consistent.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah, and it's just yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Going forward, that cannot happen. But we talked about the offense.
I want to talk about special teams, Jake, because there's
a there's a large sect of fans that think and
I might be in this pool. I'm not entirely sure.
I don't really think it was one thing that lost
us this game, but that the special teams performance this
game is what blew the game for us, and it certainly,

(31:54):
if it wasn't the reason, was a big reason. But
I also think that some of the judgment is misplaced.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
We got a section off special teams because I thought, yeah,
we got a section the kicking. The kicking unit is
a lot different than the hands team.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Yeah, And I.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Thought, like Sean Dolac ripped that ball out of Alexis, Yeah,
did oh.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
For sure it was. It was a bad miss call.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
You see what's his face?

Speaker 2 (32:21):
The running back for the forty nine ers, Guerenda is
moving forward. So obviously you have those forty nine er
fans and if you're in here, welcome, we come in peace.
But you have like forty nine er fans that are like,
you guys need to learn what you know Ford progresses.

(32:45):
I'm like, I think you need to learn what Ford progresses. That. See,
no one is saying and think about this, right, no
one is saying that it was a fumble that was
taken away, Like no one is saying that they didn't
blow the whistle, right, we know they blew the whistle.

(33:07):
We understand what they said about Ford progress. What we're
saying is that if you understand what Ford progress is,
they blew the whistle too quickly, and they never do that.
So Bill Vinovich's crew yesterday was awful. They were bad
on both sides. They really were. They were awful, and
I really just felt like their mo yesterday was like,

(33:29):
we're just gonna let the offensive line hold because they
wanted they just wanted a fun game on Thursday football.
I think they just told the officiating, look, look, we
don't want you call on holding, because they would have
called holding the entire the entire game, both offensive line
were holding. But that forced fumble was such a bad call.

(33:49):
You see at the stadium, like everybody there, you see
it happen. It just it felt like it happened immediately.
And then on TV, you know you see in slow
motion there's a little bit of a struggle and then
whatever it looked like it happened immediately balls in the ground.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Exaviersmith's there, he runs it in.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Not only do the Rams not get the touchdown, because
that's initially why Rams fans were pissed because they're like
they're telling it, Oh, no touchdown. Okay, so they're down wherever. Nope,
now they get to keep the ball because the officials
screwed it up. And then Sean mcvayh is told, hey,

(34:28):
it's not reviewable. Yeah, because you guys screwed it up.
That's why it's not reviewable. So h that needs to
be better. That cost him six points. I say six
now instead of seven because as we know now, seven
is not guaranteed. So poor Josh Cardy, he's good enough
to do it. It's just the kicking units.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, I want to talk about that too. Yeah. Well yeah,
to the point of, like in the kicking is you
know I had Obviously there's a lot of discourse, and
it's also important to remember, and I think it's good
for everybody to remember that, like the first forty eight
hours after a game is not really the best time

(35:11):
always to have discourse because people are super emotional and
it is understandable because we're all really really upset, but
it can be hard for some people to be a
little bit like level headed and be like, all right,
let me take a step back and actually watch this
play and let me take a step back and actually
look at a box score and look at like how
all of these plays led to this one and what

(35:32):
happened over the course of the game. Because a lot
of people are like calling for Carti's head, right, They're
all like, he lost us the game, he's awful, he sucks,
and I'm like, let's pump the brakes a little bit.
How much of what you're mad about is because of
Joshua Carty or is it because of the blocking on
that kick?

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:53):
How much of what you're mad about is because Cardi
had a bad kick or he had a blocked kick,
and how like you know what I mean, It's like
it's hard, and like, this is why we need to
talk about it. Because I don't have a problem with
Joshua Carty. He's great. He's a good kicker. What he's
been doing with like those kicks and like the knuckleballs

(36:13):
and everything great. What I don't love is I don't
love the blocking on these kicks. I think is putrid.
I think the same the same issues that we saw
in Philadelphia are perpetual. I mean, they they are still bad.
The blocking is bad and the offensive line. It ties

(36:34):
into the offensive line. I don't trust the offensive line
depth at all, and that that's the special team. So
when we talk about special teams and we talk about
it's really the kicking unit, and I just think it's unacceptable.
I think there it's gonna come back to haunt you,
Sean McVay himself, so that it's cost us two games,

(36:56):
which is true. I mean, again, I'm not gonna say
there was a lot of things that went wrong in
this game, and you and I both said it a
lot because I don't want to be like the oh
the blocking on the kicks, but it was a really,
really big reason we lost. And I think if this
team wants to compete, they have to find a way
to figure it out. They have to. It's embarrassing. It

(37:16):
can't continue to happen like this. You have to be
a competent special teams unit if you want to be
competitive in the National Football League. And what we watched
unfold last night was not appropriate and not good. So
that's my thought on that, and I think what I
really just wanted to get in there and just kind

(37:38):
of defend Joshua Cardy a little bit because I think
a lot of people are going to when they calm
down a little bit, they're going to go rewatch the
game or rewatch the plays and understand that these problems
are not the One thing I think we can criticize
Cardi for a little bit is that error he made
an overtime with the kick, but that it just yeah,

(38:00):
that was that's my piece, that's my piece. Special teams
Absolutely unacceptable, and it's the same shit we saw with Philly.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Overtime needs to go back to fifteen minute quarters. It's
so stupid.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
It's just ten minutes and then oh, there's going to
be a tie, Like you think the do you think
Sean McVay was going to take a tie? He's like,
I'll take a loss over a tie, and then he
expedited the loss by going, Okay, I want to talk
about Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
I thought Stafford was in his bag in this game.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Eighty eight to Devonte, eighty five to Nicoua, seventy two
to at Well, sixty six to ki In, thirty three
to Winnington, like spreading the ball around, Alan had twenty
four Ferguson at twenty one, right, Stafford looked really good.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
He did.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Honestly, he's up there for MVP right now. Truthfully, I
thought the throw he made to two to two at
Well was one of the best throws I've ever seen.
He does almost an entire like one, like a three sixty,
and then he launches it in at Well in overtime,
And at that point I still didn't think the Rams

(39:15):
were gonna win. I was just like, I've seen this
movie before, Like I wasn't there are all these Rams
fans are like, oh, we got him right where. I'm like,
all right, I'll believe when I see it. This is
why though, that throw to Kyroen before the fourth and one,
the throw to Kien before the fourth and one, he

(39:36):
throws it behind Kyraen Williams, Yeah, I don't know if
people today they probably still are are complaining as much
if you know they put it out well, if Stafford
puts it out in front of Kyen. The past protection
was a big reason of the lack thereof about why
Matthew Stafford put it behind Kyraen. Kyen still gets it

(39:58):
slides down now it's a four in one instead of
getting the first down fresh set of downs three minutes
to go. You know, I think when you're talking about
you know, the way Stafford is playing, he is making
all the throws. Obviously he missed that one, although he's
still connected and at Well, I'm convinced. I think he

(40:20):
just thought he was throwing at DeVante Adams, like he
just threw it way over Atwell's head. But it was
like perfect if Davante was there. And then he missed
the one in Dakua deep down the field. But aside
from that, he was unreal. He was making every throw
in the book. And it's kind of crazy because they
didn't really run the football a lot, so it was

(40:41):
like they were just going up there and the forty
nine ers knew they were passing and they could not
stop Stafford. But you saw it like Deavante Adams had
his way with some of these dbs, and you know,
they did a nice job of kind of containing Pooka.
I mean, if you give up ten catches for eighty
five and a touchdown, it's a lot better than like
ten's for one hundred and seventy yards in touchdown, which

(41:02):
is what I think he had last week. So I
liked that they got Winnington involved on that drive. That
drive that was capped off by the kiren touchdown. It
might have been It might have been Pooke Takua that touchdown.
That drive, in particular was one of the best drives
of the year because it incorporated Jordan Whittington and incorporated

(41:24):
to too out well, incorporated a Terrence person like that
was a really, really nice drive. And it goes to
show you that it's week five. I can sit here
and I can be knee jerk reaction city over here
and say the Rams are going nowhere. They're going nowhere,
They're not winning the Super Bowl. I take everything I
said back, or I can be honest with myself and say,

(41:47):
you know what, this is frustrating, but this Rams team
is going to be so much better later on the year.
And they're already really good early on the year. And
think about this. Their two losses came down to the
absolute last second. You're telling me an overtime on a
fourth and one, and then you're telling me on a
blocked kick a goal line fumble. These aren't like commonalities.

(42:10):
This doesn't normally happen. You don't go to overtime every game.
You don't get stopped on fourth and one every game.
You don't fumble at the goal line every game. You
don't get blocked kicks at the end of the game.
It just doesn't happen. So the point being is that
they've gotten to this point where the Rams two losses
have come in the most improbable, unlikely, fluky scenarios. That said,

(42:35):
I'm so glad Sean McVay today. He said a bunch
of things. I really like we're gonna see more Ferguson okay.
He also said that he basically called out the kicking unit.
He said, yeah, that's cost his two games right there.
He also doubled down in saying we're like basically riding
with Kien Williams, which I agree with. Another thing, pass protection.

(43:03):
Stafford did a nice job of, you know, moving around
the pocket. I thought the pass pro got better over
the course of the night. But Kyron Williams in blitz
pickup was huge. Warren McLennon gave up four or five
pressures in this game.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
That's a lot.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
It's a lot of pressures, and Kyra Williams was huge
on that side. And I just don't I feel like
people just kind of look at that as like, oh,
it's just window dressing.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
It's a huge reason why he plays It's not the
only reason he plays. He's a very good player. Obviously,
you see the receiving we've we've been talking about it
used him in the receiving game where he can play.
But you want to know why Jarquiz Hunter isn't out
there pass protection? That is why you want to say

(43:49):
pass protection doesn't matter. Watch the offensive line. If you
complain within the first five minutes of watching the offensive line,
you have now just told me that they need somebody
in as pro in the backfield to help. And Kiren
does that. Blake is getting better at that. But Blake
can't catch. Now all of a sudden, Blake can't hold

(44:10):
on the football. Yeah, Jarquiz Hunter's not going to block,
not right now. He's got a long way to go.
I'd like to see him get some carries, but that's
why he's not playing. So those are my thoughts on that.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, I mean the past protection is just not good enough.
And I think that you know, something that we've talked
a lot about on this show is offensive line depth
and how concerning that is. And now we've got this
weird situation going on at guard right and Steve Avula
and you know where's he at and all that, and
you make a good point. A lot of people, you know,
can say what they want about Kien Williams, but he's

(44:46):
the only, in my opinion, complete back on the team.
That's why he's out there a ton you know, people,
I don't know why people are still asking why is
he always out there? He's out there because he's the
only running back that can do everything that Seaman wants
a running back to do. Blake Quorum, I think is
gonna get better. I think, you know, he he didn't
have a good hasn't had a pass a good two games.

(45:09):
I'd say, wasn't really able to get anything done on
the on the ground last game, and you and I
talked about that, you know, against the Colts, as he
was out there, I think a lot more than he
should have been. Wasn't able to catch at all in
this game. And then I think the pass protection got
so bad in a big game against your rival team

(45:30):
they had to leave Kyen Williams out there to pass protect.
So that's your answer, as you just said as well,
But you know it shouldn't have to be like that.
We should have an offensive line who is good at
pass protecting, right we should have an offensive line that
is performing more consistently in pass protection. But again it's
just these like little nuances when you look at the
pass protection, then you look at how they're blocking like

(45:53):
field goals. Right, it's just it's the blocking is just
not good all around, and it's something that the Rams
need to work on. But yeah, Jake, I think, like
you know, before we get to like the Supers and everything,
you know, this game just in closing is like so frustrating,
and I think I think the worst part about it

(46:15):
is it was like from the second that it started
and we saw how the defense performed against the forty
nine ers offense, it was like we all, I think
sensed what was up. Like those first two defensive drives
just were so the team was so deflated and so tired,

(46:36):
and it looked like a team in my opinion, that
felt like they were gonna win. And people can disagree
with that take, but that's exactly how they looked and
they finally stepped into gear. But per usual with some
of these Rams losses we've seen the past couple of years,
it's too little, too late, you know. We dug ourselves
somehow out of a hole and managed, you know, to

(46:58):
get some touchdowns right and to come back to win
the game, and then we fell apart again. It should
have never gotten to that point. There was just too
many things that the Rams executed poorly. And it's frustrating
because you just lost to a division rival that hurts
you in the NFC West, which is a competitive division.
It's demoralizing, I mean, right, it's demoralizing. I think it's

(47:22):
for your starting defense to perform like that against that
forty nine ers offense doesn't feel great. It's pathetic at times, right,
it's demoralizing as an offense to have these struggles and
to kind of be so hot and cold and be
up and down. And yeah, obviously the fumble just was horrible.
It was a bad play. The play calling fourth quarter

(47:45):
over time not good. Sean McVay knew it. It just
is bad. It's not the game that you want to
have against aion, a division rival, and it wasn't the
game that we all were expecting. And it just again,
I know we're on the same page. We want this
team to put together four quarters of good football and
they've not done it yet. Through five weeks, they have

(48:06):
not managed to find a game where they can be
consistent and win with ease. So and is what it is.
We'll see they've got like this mini buy now because
it's a Thursday night football game, so they've certainly got
extra time to figure it out, come up with a
game plan.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
You're muted, Jake, I didn't even know IM mute myself.
So Cal, thank you for the super Shula defense. Gave
up three hundred and forty two yards to Mac Jones.
Couldn't even walk. That couldn't even walk. Oh, because the
injury special team coach acts needs to go. Every game

(48:52):
has a missed Pat Kiren leads the league in fumbles. Sorry,
but the team is not a Super Bowl contender, So.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
So Cal, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I like you obviously, but I am not going to
be that negative. Not only do I believe this team
is still going to win the Super Bowl, but I
think that they needed this because getting away with this game.
If they had won this game, would they have really
learned their lesson? I don't think so. Sean McVay and

(49:22):
actually liking him too, He's way better. So let's get
this very clear. Alexis can vouch for me on this.
One big Yankee fan. The Yankees just had their manager
Aaron Boone, who never does this. By the way, he
is so quick to pull his pitchers right he when

(49:43):
they're pitching well. I've definitely complained about it to you
Alexis before. So their rookie yesterday, in a series clinching game,
decides he's just going to have the greatest game of
his career, striking out everybody. Aaron Boone, who normally takes

(50:03):
guys out in the fifth or sixth inning, let him
pitch until the eighth. And why because the first game
of this series, his best pitcher, he took him out
when he was pitching well and the game imploded. So
why am I bringing this up? I'm bringing up because
of this Sean McVay. And obviously I don't know how

(50:24):
he truly felt, right, but based on what I saw
in the presser, Sean McVay looked like something snapped, like
he was like, yeah, that was a shitty play call,
Like I you know, look, he messed up.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
I feel.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Like when you have a game like this and you
find a way to win, that's great. You can build
off the fact you won, but do you actually learn
your lesson? I don't believe so I've always believed in
the idea that you learn way more in a loss
then you do w in a win, and so part

(51:03):
of me believes, as frustrating as this loss is, the
forty nine Ers are four and one, I don't believe
they are anywhere near as good as the Rams are.
I think the Rams just the defense didn't show up.
The game plan was terrible. The offense showed you the
offense is nowhere near you know, firing on all cylinders.
The offense is nowhere near a well oiled machine. Yet
the offense is nowhere near healthy. They had two starting

(51:25):
offensive linemen out and yet Matthew Staffords dropping three hundred
and eighty nine yards on them. So this offense is
absolutely showing you the Rams are that much better than
forty nine Ers. But defense, for whatever reason, didn't show up.
They had a bad game. It happens. But there were
things that popped up that have been issues in other
games that they have found a way to get through.

(51:47):
They found a way to get through the Indie game.
There were issues in that indie game. Maybe you don't
have those lessons learned because you found a way to
win in Indy, So you don't focus on those things.
But when they come up again, they're in the Eagles
game and that's a loss, and they're in the forty
nine Ers game and that's a loss. Now you start
to be like, huh, there's a lot of self reflection,
self scouting. And so I do believe for a fact,

(52:12):
right one hundred percent that this team is going to
build off this loss. They're going to beat the Ravens,
they're gonna beat the Jaguars. They're going to go into
the bye week at five and two, and when they
do that, that's going to be a better start than
any start they've had since the Super Bowl season. People

(52:34):
forget this is a team that has been a second
half of the year team the last two years. McVeigh
has really turned it on the second half of both seasons.
They've lost what two games, We're talking like fourteen and two, right,
something crazy like that. They've been great down the stretch.

(52:56):
I don't expect that to stop. They have a lot
of young that they're going to rely on. I believe
Terrence Ferguson is going to be key and critical for
this offense to kind of go where it needs to go.
They also didn't have Tyler Higbee in this game either.
But point being is that they're gonna learn from this.
I've not once this year seen Chris you will call
a game like that, so you know what he's gonna do.

(53:19):
Never call a game like that again.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
There you go. You're gonna learn.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
And I'm telling you right now in week five, I
can say I believe they'll win the Super Bowl. You
can say they're not a super Bowl contender. It's week five.
We have no freaking clue. Truthfully, who is going to
the super Bowl or not. We don't even know who's
going to the playoffs. A lot can happen, so that

(53:44):
would be my pushback. I get that a lot. They're
not a super Bowl contender. I'm out on them. I wouldn't.
I wouldn't say that. So anyway, those are my thoughts.
Do you have anything on that, Alexis before I move
on to the other super chet.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
I don't, uh One, Kiren doesn't lead the league in fumbles.
That's not an accurate stat that is Derrick Henry. Also
in terms of Super Bowl contender, I don't agree. I
think talent wise they are, but I think that like
the next two to three games that they play is
going to be like a trial period for them because
they have to clean up the things that we talked about.

(54:22):
And if they don't, then I agree with you because
I think that talent is not enough to be a
Super Bowl contender. You get talented football teams all the time,
but they have to execute. And I think that's the
biggest struggle the Rams are having right now is they're
beating themselves. So I guess jury's out in that. I
think they're talented enough to.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Be Yeah, and then so Cal hit us again, Thank
you for the super so Cal always appreciate you. You
now you're letting forty nine ers get healthy. You're not
beating them Week ten, big hole. They dug themselves. See,
I just disagree with that. There's no way to know
that you're not being in Week ten. I think that
this is honestly just one of those weird games that

(55:01):
happened on a Thursday. I would definitely expect the Rams
to come out with a fire and win. You know,
at Levi Stadium. The forty nine ers are gonna get healthy,
but they're not gonna have Nick Bosa and that that's
a key and critical piece for them. You are right though.
They will have George Kittle, they'll have Ricky Piersoll.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I like their chances more with those guys than I
do with what they saw this week, because it's in
a weird way. They didn't really have film on these
guys who has like Jake Tanjis really so yeah, I
think they'll be ready. I'm not worried about that. Appreciate
the donation there and Paul Third, thank you so much.
Rams didn't do themselves any favors. But it's crazy how

(55:42):
well all the forty nine ers rookies played looked like
they hit on three or four picks. Yeah, it was.
It's pretty wild. They got a guy, yeah, no, I
really appreciate it. They got a guy in Upton Stout
who's turning into an absolute stud. So if you don't
know him, he's in their secondaries and the Nickel. He's
really good. Bama boy, thank you for the five. Do

(56:04):
I hear Jarquis Hunter? The kicking team costs us the game?
Sorry not sorry? Four block kicks four? Yeah, it's gotten bad. Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Would be very interested to see dark we was Hunter
and as in terms of the kicking, I mean yeah, yeah,
as we talked about earlier. The kicking unit is subpar,
is putting it politely.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
This is true.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Uh, Courtney, thank you for the five. Should we be
worried about the Rams going forward? No, Nope, not worried
now if they lose to the Ravens without Lamar Jackson, Okay,
I'll join you in being worried, but I'm not worried
right now. I expect them to come out with a
fire against They might even who knows what they do
the Ravens. The Ravens are not a good team right now.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
So yeah, I think I don't think we should be worried.
I understand it. I think like a cautious optimism is
probably the best way to put it. They have like
five to six major things that they need to quickly
uh fix, and I think that they can. But we'll

(57:15):
see if they do. So I'm I'm not out on
the Rams whatsoever, but I am I want to see
the change. I'm like that disappointed mom. It's like I
want to see the changes, you know, don't don't tell me,
show me. That's where I'm at.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
So, Ruiz, we appreciate the two what last red zone
slash fumbles? Same ship bench covid hands. Is this about Kyroen?

Speaker 1 (57:42):
I think it's about Kiren because I saw his comments earlier.
Kiren's not getting benched, yeah, running back one.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Yeah, I mean, and then watching me at bench pressed
and just get thrown back into Stafford's knees. I just
I mean, Matthew Stafford, let me make this very clear,
could actually win the MVP this year. I understand the
voters probably won't allow that. They got they wouldn't even
give him the MVP in the Super Bowl. Only quarterback

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in NFL history to win the Super Bowl throw three
touchdowns and not win Super Bowl MVP. But point being is,
Matthew Stafford is playing his ass off like it is.
He looks so good. Can you even justify putting out
somebody that can't pass protect?

Speaker 3 (58:29):
You can't? Right?

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Well, that's part yeah, that's part I think part of
the reason why it's just so critical that they have
him out there. I mean, he Stafford is the engine
of the offense. Yes, I mean, it's not anything happens
to Stafford, it's a rap.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
So yeah, it's and like, look like Blake Korum, can
he pass protect?

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Can you do it consistently? Like hir and no, can
he learn how to do it? Absolutely, you're still out.
But what I've seen is Kyrien is one of the
better pass protecting running backs. I don't care what PFF has.
Their grades on Kyroen are always ridiculously bad. It's like
they didn't even look at him. So a dog appreciate
the five here, Jake, who should McVeigh sign out of

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the free agent or should be trade for somebody? I
think I really want Cam Taylor, britt him Cordell flatted
the Giants, Alante Taylor the Saints, and then I would
probably say the last but not least Greg knew some
of the Browns. I like all them, so all trades.

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I don't really see anybody in free agency that would help.
I don't think Stefan Gilmour would be good.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I think he was falling off last year and would
just ask for money. And yeah, I'm just not really
a fan, but appreciate it a dog, and so cal
I'll send a positive one. Love the Ferguson play and y'all, well,
we appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Thank you, So Kyle and I like the Ferguson play too. Yeah,
I don't know why they didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Use him more. Yeah, it's I love Ferguson, so I'm
hoping we keep seeing that because he plays above the rim.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
If you're a tight end, box out defenders, like you're
a power forward, play above the rim, go up and
high point the football.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Yeah, all right, we're gonna wrap it up here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
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Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Yeah. So yeah, guys, I mean, thanks thanks to everybody
who came came through tonight. We've got one more super Jake,
I don't want to miss it before we oh a
good call, thank you East Coast grid Iron.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
I'm still hiding the Rams. This is a good time
to take a loss to keep motivation high. Yeah, I agree.
If you're gonna if you're gonna eat a loss here,
you probably don't want to lose it to the forty
nine ers of all teams. But yeah, but also you
want it to sting because when it stings, you're more
likely to go and change it right or do something
to change it. And so that's the thing. The Rams

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have already dealt with two of the most brutal ways
of losing. This team is going to Harden. They're gonna
be ready to go. Like I said, ra, I think
that Jaguars game is going to be tough, but I
think they still win.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Then they get the buye.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
You go in to the buy at five and two,
and now people stop tark really talking about that forty
nine er game.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
So you know, that's that's really the thing. After the bye.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
By the way, in case anybody's interested, they have the
New Orleans Saints. It should be an easier game there.
And of course that that's so far.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
And then.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
I'm back in Santa Clara Rams forty nine Ers. I'll
be at that game as well. So hopefully I don't
watch the forty nine Ers sweep the Rams. That would
be obnoxious. But that's at a normal time, not on
a Thursday. Are you going to be at a Thursday
night game?

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
By the way, No, I'm going to be at the
game against the Seahawks at so Far. So I'll be
at the game at so FI November sixteenth.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's your following game, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Yep, so yeah, hopefully, you know, I think, listen, we
gotta If we can win out the rest of the
Indivision games, wo'd be great. But guys, really appreciate everybody
for coming out tonight. I know it's been a really
brutal twenty four hours a little over twenty four hours now,
but happens. Unfortunately, it sucks. I think the Rams are

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gonna respond to this. They're gonna sharpen up moving forward
and hopefully we can see the Rams win some games.
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preview the matchup against the Ravens in about a week
or so, but until then, as always, stay safe, take
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