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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, guys, welcome back to Downtown Rams. As always,
I'm Alexis Kraft. Join here with my co host Jake
ellen Bogan, and we are coming to live on this
Tuesday evening to recap our Rams win over the Seattle
Seahawks this past Sunday at Sofi Stadium in our rivalry
matchup game. Jake, this was the biggest game for the
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Rams this season, without a doubt, so much a stake.
The Rams were able to pull away with a w,
but it was very, very close.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It was I absolutely was, Alexis. You know, you can't
win them all. Like it's college football, right, Alabama plays
the Citadel, they beat them by fifty because it's the Citadel.
The Rams were never going to blow out Seattle. It's
just not you know, let's just not living in reality.
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But man, I was actually really impressed because on a
day you could look at it in one or two. Obviously,
you could look at in the pessimistic view where it's like, oh,
barely beat Seattle had four turnovers, the only one by two,
or you could look at it like this. Matthew Stafford
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wasn't really sharp in this game. The offensive line mainly
the tackles struggled to protect him. They had football coach
Sean McVay abandoned not just the run, but abandoned Kyron
Williams running the football when he was averaging I mean
over ten yards of carry for the majority of the game.
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And yet they still found a way to win against
And keep this in mind, this defense only allowed one
touchdown and it was on the ground against the most
explosive passing attack in the league. Like that's if you
want to be upset about this win, I don't know
what to tell you. It's not gonna get any harder
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than that. I don't think. I mean, that was that
was hard. That was you were playing on hard mode
and they found a way to you know, bait and
pick off Sam Darnold four times. Pass rush got there.
Jared Verse had seven pressures. You and I both predicted
you had two interceptions. I predicted that Cam Kinchens would
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have one of them, and he got his first of
the year. We won't talk about my prediction about Ferguson.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Though, yeah, and my interceptions.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, because I don't even know what was going on. Like,
I don't even know what was going on, you know,
I really do feel, and I saw Blaine posted a
tweet on this, and I agree completely. I think this
is a game where the Rams really missed too too
out well in to stretch the field. And so I
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understand he's not blazing fast, but Terrence Ferguson should have
been the guy fielding, you know, stretching the field instead.
I don't know if you caught a glimpse Colby Parkinson
was running that route. So I was a little confused
about the game plan overall. On the offensive side.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I was confused too, and I you know, I'm having
some tech issues, so I'm gonna turn my camera off
and I'm going to let you answer this. I'm gonna
ask you a question that I'm gonna go fix my
camera on my sound so real quick. In the Run game,
I was really really confused on how why offensive we
we moved away from the run game. I mean, you
look at Kien Williams and he was explosive and absolutely
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having his way with Seattle's defense, and it felt like,
you know, you saw him having that success and it
became really apparent early on. Okay, this is where Seattle's struggling,
and then Sean McVay completely pivoted away from that, and
then when he did revisit the run game, he was
trying to force Blake Koram in there, which wasn't working.
And I know that there's a whole debate you know about,
you know, with like how they used Kyroen and how
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they used Blake Koram. The reality of the situation is,
and we've talked about this before, Blake Korum is really
really good on the outside. He's good at doing that
thing right. He's twitchy, he's fast, he's good when you
move him out into space. He really excels there. He
struggles inside running the ball. He struggles in the red zone.
And I know that you know, a couple of those
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the blocks worsuppar I thought the blocking this game was
a little dicey. And I give a lot of credit
to Seattle's defense actually for making that happen. But why
are you taking Kira Williams off the field at all
in the red zone? That should not happen. That is
literally what he excels at. He is you know, people
want to criticize him and call him a goal line merchant. Okay,
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I'll take it. He scores, especially when other people aren't scoring, right,
so why are you taking Kyra Williams off the field.
And also, you know, you and I both agree on
this that the splitting of the carriers has gotten a
little too far. And I think if it was a
different game it would have been fine. But against a
team like Seattle, when you are struggling, your offense is
struggling and one thing is working, why are you pivoting
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away and Kien Williams.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, I I like how you said that. You said
that in more of a respectful way. I'm gonna be blunt.
I don't think Blake Korm is better than Kyra Williams
at anything. I don't I like Blake as a backup.
I just he lost some weight to make him shiftier
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than Kyen. But Kyron and I actually want to I
have a theory and I want to bounce this off everybody.
Kiron Williams was slower in the beginning of the season
because he added weight and had to learn how to
run with that weight. And now we're more than halfway
through the year and he knows how to run with
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that added weight. Now that's why he looks more explosive.
I kept seeing people saying, man, doesn't. Doesn't it seem
like he's more explosive now, Like Kyron really looked fast
on Sunday, like it seemed. And it's funny to me because, yeah,
he's had those moments. I mean, he finally added more
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weight to his frame because people were complaining they went
down too easily, which was ridiculous because he was actually
breaking tackles. But now it's like, what is the argument?
People will say, Well, he fumbled when it was an
important game against the Eagles in January, and it's like, Okay,
are we gonna just keep bringing that up? Because like
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Puka Nakua, who's never fumbled in his career, fumbled in
this one and put the Rams in a pretty bad spot. No,
and you know, Matthew Stafford fumbled in the Eagles game
and he was sensational, but he fumbled and they lost
both of those fumbles. It just feels like Kyn's the
punching bag and he's become probably one of the most
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underrated players to ever grace this organization. He's sitting here
with one hundred and fifty eight carries that's tied for
tenth in the league, seven hundred and fifty yards ninth
in the league, six touchdowns tied for tenth in the league,
and he's averaging four point seven yards per carry. He's
been really good. And I saw something. I don't remember
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the exact number, but I saw that Kyron set the
record for most I think it's fifty plus yard games.
Now people will scoff at that, but think about what
that means. Okay, it's consistency. So if he has the
record for the fifty, you know, fifty plus yard games,
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that means that he's consistently on the field and he's
consistently doing that. And I just feel like they take
him like they I mean, people take him for granted.
And I actually have it right here. J Belong tweeted out.
So he's now ninth, well on his way to seventh
all time RAMS rushing, and he is rushed for fifty
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plus yards in twenty four straight games, which is the
longest active streak in the NFL and the most in
RAMS history. So why can't we finally just admit that
Kyron is not only a really good player. I mean
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the level of disrespect we're always saying Matthew Stafford gets
Kyroen gets that tenfold from his own fan base, and
it's just gotten to the point where it's like, no, no, no, no,
this should not be a timeshare. It's not even close.
And we saw that, and the reason being because I
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saw people saying, well, Blake Koram is running in different situations,
like he didn't get that block that Kien got. No, no, no, no, no.
I watched both runs, okay, and the difference between the
two is Iron sees the hole, he hits the hole,
he makes the cut he creates. Blake Koram is missing
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those cuts. That is what is happening. I don't hate
Blake Koram, but the problem is as soon as you
plant your flag on either side, people think you hate
the other. The reality is Kyron Williams was dominating one
of the best, if not the best run defense in
football and the only one that stopped him was Sean mcvack.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
You're right, and it was absurd. I mean, I can't
think of a better example of like the when they
tried to force that Blake Korum touchdown and gave him
what three tries in the red zone, and then you
put Kyron in on fourth down and he gets it.
That's not blocking, that's vision, and I just think at
some point, like you know, again, I can go on
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and on about like the Kiraen Williams eight. People think
I'm biased because like look at my hat, right, I'm
from the same hometown as him. So I have to
keep that in mind. And that's why I try to
like keep it a little bit level on the show,
because I know that people that's going to be their
first like defense mechanism to be like, oh, we're just
going to discount Alexis because she's liked Kien from the beginning.
But I mean, it's just it's getting ridiculous. And I
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do think that there was a vibe shift when you
watch the game against the Seahawks. This is not a competition,
This is.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Not a role share.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
We should not be displaying Carrey's period. Blake Korum is
very good on the outside. He struggles on the inside.
He does not have the same vision as Kien Williams does.
He certainly is improving. I think Blake Korm, for example,
has gotten better in pass pro. That's not something that
you know when Kyen came into the league, that was
something that he was really known for in college. He
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was like, I think you and I both have had
him as like the best pass protecting running back in
the track, not the one of the best. So that
was something that he just naturally has been very good at.
He used to be a linebacker, so that might have
something to do with it. Blake Quorum has not been
as good at that historically, but I have seen this
season I felt like they've trusted him a little bit
more to help in pass pro. I think he's improving.
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I think that he's getting a little bit better on
those inside runs. But what he really needs is space.
That's why it's a good one to punch. Kien can
do a little bit of everything. Quorum at this moment
in time, should be used in space. He should be
used if you're looking to gain those outside yards on
the edge, right, He's very good at that. He's very twitchy.
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I give him a lot of credit there. What we
saw on Sunday like cannot happen anymore. You cannot take
Kien Williams out of the red zone and you can
certainly not split carriers like that. So I think that
that's what where we're at. I don't think that it's
really even a debate, and I think the reason that
we're even bringing this up is because in a game
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against the Seahawks where there's so much on the line,
and you see Kieren destroying this run defense as we
talked about, which is very good, and as everybody saw,
Seattle has a very good defense, we are giving them
their credit. I mean, this game, the Rams offense did
not look good in a way that I certainly didn't.
They certainly seem rattled. And so when you have something
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that's working for you, you continue to do it. And
Kien Williams went out there pops off a thirty four
yard run, right, and for whatever reason, Sean Fay is like,
that's good, that's enough. Let's try everything else, and then
when we do go back to the run game, let's
use Blake Korm on inside runs. I'm sitting there going like,
what is happening. You're in the red zone and you
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try to run it again with Blake Korm three times
when you could have just put kyroen On in there
and probably scored sooner. You end up getting it on
fourth down, mind you. So I just think it's there's
an overthinking with the run game, and it does feel
like this split carry thing might have been a little
bit forced.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Also, I think Seattle's defense just really had McVeigh rattle.
Then we could talk about that later. I think the
offense itself just looked super off. But to wrap up
the run game, that should not be happening anymore.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It shouldn't. I mean, Kyen Williams.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Could have had a one hundred and fifty yard plus
game legitimately if you had given him more carries and
with what he was doing when he was in there
against this defense. So it's just a shame that this
game felt like it could have been a lot farther apart,
and the Rams were able to kind of save it
with their defense. But yeah, just I was frustrated with
the way that we were overthinking the run game. Very unusual,
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not unusual to overthink to run.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
He was gonna say that that.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Itself wasn't unusual.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
What was unusual is just that you had something working
so well for you so early and to just completely
go away from that was mind boggling to me.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Brought me back to Darryl Henderson cam Akers. Henderson would have, yeah,
seven carries for sixty yards, and somehow cam Akers ends
up with fourteen carries for thirty and it's like it
has no vision. Why is he playing? Yeah, I don't
think Korm has no vision, but you could see the
difference Kyroen was just seeing. And also I see in
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the comment section, when a guy has the hot hand,
you don't mess with it. Look at what CAROLINEA is doing.
I mean we all were kind of confused when they
signed Chuba Hubbard in the offseason and then they're like, yeah,
we're gonna go out and we're gonna sign Rico Dowdele
who just had a thousand yards, Like, well, what are
you doing there? But Rico Dowdell now is the hot hand. Okay,
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he is the best running back in Carolina. So guess what,
They're just using him. They're not thinking about it. They're
just using him, and that's what you need to do. Also,
Kien Williams is established in this league, is one of
the better running backs in the league. Korum's not there yet.
I mean he's not even close. So yeah, eight carries,
ten yards. I understand. It's like he wasn't able to
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get a ton of yards on three of the eight
carries because they came at the goal line. But at
the same time, this is exactly the rams recipe for
success is that if Kien Williams gets hit behind the line,
he's still gonna get two yards out of it. If
Blake Korum gets hit, he's not making anything happen. He's
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gonna lose two. The Rams are predicated on getting to
third and short. That is how their offense is run.
They're either going to hit a deep dig route to
you know, either Puka Takua or DeVante Adams start off
with a nice run. Kyron will get you five, Blake
will get you three, and then you get to a
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second in whatever, and then you get to third and four,
which is what their average third down situation is. The
problem in this game is that when you have Blake
Korum come in and we were texting about this throughout
the game, and he gets negative yards, now Stafford, with
that defense bearing down on you, and you have all
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of that pressure, okay, and the tackles didn't play well,
and we can get into that too. When you're on
third and twelve, third and nine, third and ten, Well,
now they know that you can't run the ball, whereas
the Rams could run the ball on third and four
because Sean McVay is gonna go for it un fourth down,
which I gotta give him a lot of credit. He's
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actually committed to going for unfourth down. And I don't
necessarily feel like it's because of the kicker. I think
it's because he trusts this offense that much, and rightfully so.
I mean, up until this game, they've looked really good
and they had opportunities. Stafford missed Devonte Adams, Devontae Adams
dropped the pass on the you know, the deep middle
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post route. You know, they they had their opportunities that
were there, they just didn't execute. But yeah, I just
I really feel like in this game, Sean McVay is
gonna learn. He's gonna learn from this game. He's gonna
be like, okay, you know. And he he admitted the defense,
you know, bailed the offense out. But one thing's for sure.
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Stafford didn't have his best stuff, But he didn't turn
the ball over. No turnover wheth he plays. That is
the big thing in a game like this, the only
thing that's going to doom you is takeaways. And Pukaakuaz
was kind of fluke. He was about to cover the ball.
He's never fumbled before. It happens Matthew Stafford did not
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throw a pick in this game. He threw two touchdowns.
He's now up to what twenty seven touchdowns and two interceptions.
He's on fire. And yeah, I just I felt like
the offense left a lot of meat on the bone.
This isn't one of those ones where I was like
Seattle absolutely dominated the Rams. I don't think Stafford had
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his best stuff, and I think he missed some throws.
I don't think Devontae Adams was one hundred percent healthy,
and I think he dropped some passes he normally catches.
And I just don't feel like the Rams stuck with
what was working in Kyra Williams. And these are things
that you can change and fix. And then week sixteen
or whenever you play I think it is week sixteen
when you play Seattle again, you can you know, if
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they're expecting this, if they're expecting this offense again, they
got another thing coming because they are going to make adjustments.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, I mean just tying tying a bow kind of
talking about the offense and you know this game, Yeah,
I mean I think it wasn't what we all expected, right,
I think that when you're going into this game against
the Seahawks. I think we all expected this offensive battle
and these are two teams whose offenses have been really hot,
so it obviously was disheartening to kind of see the
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struggles offensively that we made. And you know, then when
something is working, for example, Kyra Williams, you kind of
stifle him and then kind of throw him to the side,
and that's confusing. And yeah, I just didn't think the receivers,
I mean, pukin Akua led you know, seven receptions seventy
five yards.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Solid day, right, felt like it could have been better.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I think that something that I that you touched on
that I want you to elaborate on as well, and
we'll get into his the tackle play, right, and just
it felt like, you know, because Stafford, I think did
make a lot of you know, didn't have his best day, right,
But I think a lot of that also had to
play into the fact that the tacks were just getting worked.
I mean, it didn't, you know. And again we give
credit to the Seattle Seahawks defense. They are a very
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good defense. They didn't make it easy on us, and
it showed, right, And I think that that also affected
kind of the play calling as well.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
But Jake.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I mean, looking at the tackles, it just wasn't good enough.
On Sunday, what say you.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
No, it's unacceptable. You know, I think Rob Havenstein had
a true pass set grade of eight point four in
pass protection eight point four out of one hundreds. No,
it's not acceptable. Alerc Jackson isn't quite where he was
and hoping what they were gonna he was gonna be
when they signed him. The hope is, of course, the
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the blood clots kind of you know, kind of held
him back. Obviously he didn't have a full off season
to prepare, and uh, you know, maybe by the end
of the year he's Alerc Jackson. If not, that's concerning.
Rob Havenstein is done as a power protector. Okay, I
love him. He's he's not the last remaining Saint Louis
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Ram because they brought James Waid back. Yeah, but he's
the second to last remaining State. He's the longest tenured RAM.
How about that. We'll say that. But Alexis, you watch him,
and you watch war mc clennon earlier in the year,
and you're like, you know, they made this move based
entirely on seniority because worm mc Clennon Jr. Was whooping
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ass up front and Rob Havenstein is doing the exact opposite.
And I texted you immediately. During the forty nine Ers game,
I was at and I'm like, the second one, not
the first, and I was just like, Man, haven Stein's
getting worked. He's getting absolutely worked by Bryce Huff. It's
not even close. So get this. There were seven pressures
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in this game allowed by the Rams pass blocking. All
seven of them were tackles. The interior pitched a complete
game shutout. They were great, but the tackles they were not.
Now to be fair, that's in pass protection. Rob Havenstein
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can still run block. They all can. They're all really
good run blockers. This is a very good run blocking
offensive line. But in pass pro it's it leaves a
lot to be desired, at least at tackle. So Alec Jackson,
I don't know what the future is there. He allowed
four pressures, haven Stein allowed three. But even though the
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stats tend to lean in haven Stein's favor because he
allowed one fewer pressure than Aleric, haven Stein doesn't look
good on film, Alexis. He just doesn't look good on tape.
The problem is until they lose a game. I just
don't think they're going to make a switch, and I
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don't want them to lose a game. So you know,
I think think they're the only loss they get the
rest of the years against Seattle. I do think they're
gonna lose in Seattle, but I don't I think they're
going to almost run the table. Like That's how I
feel about this team right now. And you know, we're
gonna talk about the defense because they got some things
to work through. This is a great defensive performance, but
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they may have lost Quentin Lake for the year. But
before we get into that, I just wanted to say, yeah,
the tackles were the only players to give up pressures
on Matthew Stafford in this one. That is insane.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, it wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And you know, Big Rob, I have a lot of
love for him, I know we all have a lot
of love for him, longest tenured ram, but I think
that this is, uh, we're at the end maybe, so
you know, it just it hasn't been good enough and
you can't allow that to happen. I mean the eighth
grade that you said, I mean, you just can't. And
it's it's obvious on film, it's obvious during the game,
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and you know that this is a team that has
Super Bowl expectations, you have to protect the quarterback. So
disheartening to see. But yeah, I just think overall, I mean, again,
give Seattle's defense credit. I think they just put pressure
on the Rams every which way. Uh and you know
the Rams could not find more ways to overcome that
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this game. We were able to make it happen because
of our defense, which we're going to talk about now, Jake.
I mean, this defense has Sam Donald's number. Everybody was
talking about, how oh you know, this isn't the Sam
h Donald from the Vikings, and that was because of
the Vikings, and we talked about it last episode. A
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lot of that was on the Vikings, but also Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Is the doubt.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
You did give him the benefit the doubt, and I
think that he deserved it right at the time. Now
I don't think so. I think Sam Donald was literally freaked,
and that is also giving the Rams defense a lot
of credit. It's funny because a lot of the Seahawks
fans are in my mentions this week after the loss
about how, oh, well, you know, the Seahawks beat themselves
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and you had four turnovers and only one by two points.
And I'm like, you know what, I'm not saying the
Rams offense played well, but your offense certainly didn't play
but play well either. So this double standard that Seahawks
fans have of like, oh, you're not giving Seattle's defense credit,
but we only lost because of Sam Donald. I'm like, no,
you lost because our defense made Sam Donald freak out.
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He wasn't seeing ghosts. He was quite literally pressured. He
was confused, he didn't know what to do. And that's
because of our defense. Our defense stood up to him.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Four interceptions, guys, four interceptions. I predicted on our episode
that there would be at least two, and I think
I said at the time it was because I didn't
really trust Sam Donald when he gets pressured. Four I'll
take it beautiful, right, I mean, it was like he
was seeing ghosts. Maybe in theory, Jake, but you look
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at the way that this defense played, you know, against
Seattle and this high powered offense who we gave a
lot of due credit to, and Jaysen and Sam Darnolds
had a really good year, and you know they traded
for Shaheed and you know you've got Kenneth Walker and
Zach Sharboney, who that's another split carry situation I think
we talked about.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
That's a little interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I actually thought looked a little bit better than I
was expecting him to, even though typically I think Kenneth
Walker should like be the belkout over there. Jake, what
was it about this defense that impressed you on Sunday?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Aside from everything, I don't know. They they looked insane,
they really did. I mean, you know, it's a different
style where the Seahawks are trying to absolutely just be
a wall and the Rams are okay, giving up cushion,
giving up yards. They were playing a bend, don't break,
and they weren't breaking. They're like, all right, it's Seattle,
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take your field goals. And I feel like McDonald still
has in his head last year because I don't know
if everybody remembers how that game ended in Seattle. And
I'm not talking about when DeMarcus Robinson caught the touchdown,
but what happened before that. The Rams stopped them on
fourth in goal. They could have kicked the field goal.
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They went for it. They ran some power run to
the left and they got stifled. And after that the
Rams went down the field and scored, and that was
all she wrote in overtime. I wonder if McDonald thought
about that, because he kicked the field goal every single time.
It's pretty crazy when you think about it. But cam
Kinchins he looked like a man amongst boys. Just the
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way he was able to play in this one. I mean,
just so good in coverage, so good clicking clothes. I
mean he played seventy three snaps in this one, forty
four in coverage, twenty eight in the run game, had
two picks. I mean, just what can you say, right?
And then Nate Lanman played eighty one snaps in this one.
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He had a punch. I did predict the punch, and
I think I did get you to switch one of
your predictions to Kobe Parkinson to catch touchdown. So I
just wanted to point that out as well.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
You did. I didn't even think about that connection.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, And he was trying to do like the snow
Angels thing was he was in heaven. He's like, I
just scored against my former team. Nate Lanman punched that
thing out of AJ Barner's hands. I don't know if
people realize that, but they didn't get it back, but
shout out to Nate Lanman. He is inevitable. I thought
Omar Spades played really well filling the lane in the
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run game. I thought Kobe Durant played really well in coverage.
You know, I thought everybody just played really well. The
Quinton Lake injury was really tough because he played thirty
two snaps. But in a game like this where you
know they have they run eighty one plays, I mean,
like you didn't have Quinton Lake for more than half
of the game. So in steps Josh Wallace, who I've
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been saying they really like, and he stepped in there
and he had, you know, some good moments, and you know,
I think the biggest one the one that impressed me
the most. On Sunday, he didn't grade super well according
to PFF, but Emmanuel Forbes, you can just see it.
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You can just see the growth. Didn't have an interception,
but he had a huge pass breakup that saved a touchdown.
I was, I was so so impressed with his ability
to stay in the hip pocket and you know, run
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that trail technique and knock that thing away because he
baits the throw and he knows he's got the length
he's got at the speed, the acceleration. Forbes, he was
in charge of defending the hottest receiver in the game,
and he stepped up in a huge way and he
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never missed a beat. And it was funny because you know,
Seattle fans were complaining about the call that they didn't make,
but then they don't talk about the one that they
did call on Forbes that was the most tiki tack.
It was a terrible call, the one that put them
in like one play away and then they threw it
to Shiheed. He was great. He was absolutely fantastic in coverage.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I feel like Forbes deserves a lot of credit, Yeah, Jim,
you know, and I think that like Forbes is a
guy that for some reason, it just felt like people
were really quick to discount really from the time he's
been with the Rams, and I can understand kind of
like the hesitations about him right when he first joined
the team, the skepticism about him and kind of you know,
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the comments about it, you know, he's too small, or
he's you know, he can't go up against these big
body receivers, or you know, whatever it is that people
wanted to say about Forbes. And I know that, you know,
the corner situation has obviously been kind of fluid right
ever since you know, Witherspoon got hurt and that, you know,
we haven't seen you know, maybe like a true.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Quote unquote cornerback one.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
And I think people have been rightfully at times pretty
skeptical of the cornerback situation. But man, all of that aside.
Looking at this game, Emmanuel Forbes, I was like, pop off, King,
you'd a great that pass breakup that you mentioned, I
thought was great. You know, I feel like he's maybe
finding his stride and finding his confidence because he hasn't
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really had a chance to do that. You know, if
you look at his career, it's been a little bit
up and down, and you know, it didn't really work
out in Washington. So I feel like, you know, we
could start to see him kind of come into his
own now in this ram secondary and you bring up
Quentin Lake very much praying that that's not a season
ending injury for him.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I don't feel like i've heard any updates on that.
I know that he's going to be out quite a while, he.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Might be out for the year. I'm yeah, I don't
feel good about it.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, I don't feel good about it, just based on
what we're hearing. It's always I think good within that
NFL to brace for the worst, as you said, unfortunately
kind of just like trauma response, especially with this Rams team.
So that's going to be a huge loss. We'll see
who's going to step in there. I mean, you talk
about the mcquery trade. Now that in hindsight, great, right
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you look at you know, what's happened injury wise. I
don't know if you expect him to be somebody who
you know, if they can figure that backfield differently, if
he's going to be somebody who's gonna step in, I mean,
who knows.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Well, it's really interesting because Josh Wallace fills in and
he's you know, six foot buck ninety right, and that's
like he's a slot corner. Yeah, he plays the star
I get that. But like the thing that makes Quinton
Lake so good is that he's about two and ten
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pounds and he's six to one and he plays like
a linebacker, but he moves like a slot corner. So
now you think, okay, well Roger McCreary could come in,
and you know, that looks like a trade that could
maybe saved the season. Sure, But at the same time,
and this is my one gripe, is that Roger McCreary
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is five to eleven a buck ninety, you know, and
he doesn't have the build. So I actually I have
a I have a theory that I'm not saying the
Rams will do this, but I'm saying it's possible. I
think when a Keller Witherspoon's comes back, he could end
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up playing the star. I think they could really try that.
I mean, because the thing about Lake is he's a
he's a captain, he's a vocal leader. That's what Kello is.
I mean, I was telling you, you know, in the
Eagles game in the playoffs, there's a picture of him
where he's one on one with AJ Brown and he's
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not even looking at him because he's so focused on
getting everybody lined up. He doesn't care and he knows
he's gonna shut down AG Brown anyway because he's been
putting him in a blender all game. That is what
a Kello can do. That's what he can bring to
the table. Really good communicator, and he's been kind of
like a captain without a seat on his chest. He's
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in all the team meetings. He's been big in the
development of Emmanuel Forbes. So I could actually see the
Rams going that route because now you get a six
foot three, two hundred and fifteen two hundred and twenty pound,
you know, dB, and it's like on top of that,
you're not really disrupting the flow because they might be like, man,
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we love Kello, but like Kobe's playing well, and Forbes
is playing well, and Darius is playing well, where do
we put a Kello? You could put him at star
And I actually could see that happening. So I'm keeping
an eye on that. I think that development is possible.
And lord knows, I mean, they're they're really close, uh
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a Kello and Lake, so you know, I'm sure he's
gotten plenty of info on that position. But yeah, I
could see that. I just think that's the thing you
got to worry about when it comes to McCreary. You know,
when it comes to you know, Josh Wallace is that
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they're good at being slot corners, but the star role,
you're going to be asked to do a little bit more.
And Sean McVay said it best if if they're without
Quinton Lake, right, you need to understand something. You don't
replace a Quinton Lake. Okay, this is quote. You don't
replace a Quinton Lake. He's so valuable for so many reasons,
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with what he can do, with who he is as
a human, with the way that he elevates and leads.
He is a glue guy for us. End quote. McVeigh
said quote, I think it would be insincere to think
that you're going to ask somebody to do the things
that he's capable of. It's what makes him so special.
But I do have a lot of confidence in the
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other guys end quote. So yeah, I like that he
said that because Lake is a captain and he's got
so many different we call him clubs in the bag
right for golf, He's got so many different things that
he can do, and I just don't feel like any
slot corner is just going to fill that void. So
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I'm expecting him to have some sort of rotational exis.
I do think Roger McCurry's finally going to get a
chance to start and actually play on this defense though, so.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I was responding. I was responding to a troll in
the comments.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Sorry, yeah, anyways, Jake, we've talked about the offense we've
talked about the defense, and by the way, to the
troll and the comments, I still love.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
You for stopping by. That was very facetious me just
roasting you.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
All of we talked about offense, We've talked about defense.
There's one last thing to talk about. The punt of
the year, the punts of the year, the punt.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Of the year, of my life, the greatest pun of.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
The greatest pun of every seen. I'm gonna do my
Chandler big impression.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Could it?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Could it be any more punt of the year? Could
it be any more perfect? That's I mean, literally, Jake,
you couldn't Like people were saying that might have been
the best punt of all time, and they were being serious.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
He is incredible. He's a two hundred and forty two
hundred and fifty pound punter that can probably out bench
out squat anybody who's been my comments section the last
ninety days. I mean, like, he's huge, he's strong as hell,
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and he's got such grace punting the football. That was
everything in that moment.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
It was I mean, let's be so real.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
If that punt had gone through the end zone, don't
know whether the rams would have won this game. And
that's just that's just facts. And listen, I am I
always get on my high horse and I'm always like,
you cannot blame one play for the outcome of a game,
which is very true, but it's worth noting that, like,
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had that punt gone through the end zone and the
Seahawks had better field position, there's a very real chance
the Rams did not win on Sunday. So Ethan Evans
start of the game, I mean, has just been absolute
money since he's been in the league, honestly as a punter,
and I mean we owe him a lot. I mean
game ball should have gone to Ethan Evans, I mean Cameron,
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I think it went to Cameron Kinchins.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
But which is.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Also well, Evans will get a game ball tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
He was great special teams, I mean hero right, I
mean Evan Evans. Guys go good as Jersey. But yeah, no,
it's crazy that that punt made highlight reels you know,
across the league and you know on sports accounts, and
again they're calling it the greatest punt of all times.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, it's insane. Let's wrap it up by talking about
a guy who people are I've literally seen from Rams
fans he's washed. And that's first off, allow me to
educate you if you think that a twenty four year
old is washed. In his second year, seven pressures tied
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for a career high against the Seahawks. That was the most,
by the way, allowed for anybody this year against Seattle.
Seattle has not given up twenty pressures in a game
this year until they saw the Rams. Jared Verse was
dominant in the run game, and he was dominant as
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a pass rusher and absolutely destroyed Charles Cross. I don't
think people understand Jared Verse is absolutely one of the
best players at his position. Yeah, they're too obsessed with sacks.
How did we not learn our lesson with Aaron Donald?
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Aaron Donald should have had twenty sacks way before he
ended up getting twenty sacks. Chris Long was the king
of the almost sack like the year Robert Quinn had
like eighteen, like Chris Long was setting him up for those,
not every time. I don't want to take away from Robert,
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but Chris Long was really good and was getting pressure.
And it's like, if you don't get Saxonist league, people
just think that you're washed and you're bad and it's
just like what and it's been going on all year.
It's like, oh, is Braden Fisk hit a wall? No,
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Braden Fisk had eight pressures in the game that people
said he hit a wall. But because he didn't have
a bunch of sacks, people are like, he's not good.
So yeah, Jared Verse, by the way, big play. You
want to talk about the punt, Let's talk about the
fourth down or the third I think it was the
third down because they ended up punting the football. Surprisingly,
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they put aj Barner on center and they run the
toush push and Jared Verse said, nuh uh. That is
a huge point in the game. I think it was
fourteen to twelve at that point, so key and critical. Yeah,
Jared versus him, and this defense is gonna take him
pretty far. But we've already seen. The great thing about
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this team is that the offense can pick up the defense,
and the defense can pick up the offense. And that's
just the reality of it.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I you don't have to tell me twice.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Everyone knows how I feel about Jared Verse and how
I felt about him always, So I don't that talk
in one year out the other.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
It's funny because I was talking to a Miami Dolphins
fan the other night and uh, you know, we were
talking about Jared vers and like Chop and he was like, nah,
Jared versus better. I like Chop, but yeah, but yeah,
And I was like, I know, because I was prepared
for him to give me like a shpiel about like
Chop Robinson or whatever, Jared Verse. I think everyone needs
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to lay off him. He's fine, guys, He's like, he's
still him. He is making his presence known. Last thing
I want to bring up because Jake does have a
round table, so we do have to end this here
in a few minutes. Jake, It's so crazy that all
the Seahawks fans who were coming after us after this win,
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I told them all to pull up to the show tonight.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Nobody came.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
It's interesting.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
It's interesting different experiences on Twitter. You got berated by
Seahawks fans. Seahawks fans like me because I've given him
too much credit for weeks. Do you know who? I
got barrated by forty nine er fans today because all
of it. But that's just a rock party, rock Purty,
Oh my god, Brock Purty beat down the Cardinals who
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actually just got blown out by the Seattle and their
spirits are broken and they're banged up and they're not good.
I mean, Rock Party is the definition of a system quarterback.
So I don't know why we're going crazy over him.
And there's those people still think that he's better than Stafford.
It's the funniest thing ever, they know.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
That's insane.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
That isn't if somebody genuinely believes that, which I know
no person does. That's like an insane thought to have
that you would take Rockberty over Matthew Stafford. But regardless,
I mean, the Seahawks fans just were funny because and
I've given the Seahawks a lot of credit too. I
respect the Seahawks, and I typically have a good relationship
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with Seahawks fans, But like they after they were very
salty after this loss and just lost their minds on
the internet about how they're the better team and how
only Sam Darnold play good and the Seahawks showed that
the Rams are soft and not real competitors, and like
they were going so crazy and my mentions and I
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told them, I said, pull like one guy, the guy
sent it to you. He was like, oh, you guys
would never say this, like on camera or what he
said like, He's like, if you guys were forced to
go on a football show and give your opinions, you
guys would have to delete your accounts. And I was like, actually,
we have a show pull up, we do talk about it.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
I was like, I was if you guys follow me
on Twitter you saw this. I was like, come stop
by the Downtown Rams live chat and we will read
your comments and talk about it. And none of them
showed up.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
And people are ridiculous. They'll be like, don't say that,
and I'll be like, I do what I want all
the time. I will say whatever I want. I don't care.
That's my thing. I have multiple shows. I'm gonna say
exactly what I want. If I think brock Party's mid, well,
guess what you're gonna hear and I think brock Party's
mid that, Yeah, that's me. And I understand some people
(44:52):
might not like it, but that's always been the way
I do things. I don't regurgitate the same things. I'm
the one creating the narrati. You are as well, and
we'll go against the grain. You know. Oh, everybody's hating
on Connor and Williams. Well that doesn't mean we're just
going to join the club. But there is one club
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Speaker 3 (45:17):
Transition.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
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Speaker 1 (46:10):
And with that, that's gonna do it. Uh, that's gonna
do it for us. Jake's gonna go to the round
table real quick.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
We do have a super Oh.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
It's my guy, Chris. How we doing? Love Williams and
agree will we be okay without Lake. I believe so. Yeah,
I believe so Gona. It's gonna sting. It stings another
level because Alexis and I have a relationship with Lake
and we've interviewed Lake, so that hurts. But if he
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is out for the year, I still think this team
wins the super Bowl. I think they have that much depth.
It is gonna be harder, but I expect him to
still win. Do say appreciate the ten After watching this game,
I think the Rams can end up being Seahawks three
times this season, including playoffs. Wouldn't be the first time
that happened. They did that in Saint Louis. Shout out
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Sean McDonald. He's somewhere that's gonna do it. Appreciate you guys.
Thanks so much, guys.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
We have to end this.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Follow us on social media at Downtown Rams. Follow us
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stay safe, take care and go Rams.
All right, guys, welcome back to Downtown Rams. As always,
I'm Alexis Kraft. Join here with my co host Jake
ellen Bogan, and we are coming to live on this
Tuesday evening to recap our Rams win over the Seattle
Seahawks this past Sunday at Sofi Stadium in our rivalry
matchup game. Jake, this was the biggest game for the
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Rams this season, without a doubt, so much a stake.
The Rams were able to pull away with a w,
but it was very, very close.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It was I absolutely was, Alexis. You know, you can't
win them all. Like it's college football, right, Alabama plays
the Citadel, they beat them by fifty because it's the Citadel.
The Rams were never going to blow out Seattle. It's
just not you know, let's just not living in reality.
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But man, I was actually really impressed because on a
day you could look at it in one or two. Obviously,
you could look at in the pessimistic view where it's like, oh,
barely beat Seattle had four turnovers, the only one by two,
or you could look at it like this. Matthew Stafford
(01:14):
wasn't really sharp in this game. The offensive line mainly
the tackles struggled to protect him. They had football coach
Sean McVay abandoned not just the run, but abandoned Kyron
Williams running the football when he was averaging I mean
over ten yards of carry for the majority of the game.
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And yet they still found a way to win against
And keep this in mind, this defense only allowed one
touchdown and it was on the ground against the most
explosive passing attack in the league. Like that's if you
want to be upset about this win, I don't know
what to tell you. It's not gonna get any harder
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than that. I don't think. I mean, that was that
was hard. That was you were playing on hard mode
and they found a way to you know, bait and
pick off Sam Darnold four times. Pass rush got there.
Jared Verse had seven pressures. You and I both predicted
you had two interceptions. I predicted that Cam Kinchens would
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have one of them, and he got his first of
the year. We won't talk about my prediction about Ferguson.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Though, yeah, and my interceptions.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, because I don't even know what was going on. Like,
I don't even know what was going on, you know,
I really do feel, and I saw Blaine posted a
tweet on this, and I agree completely. I think this
is a game where the Rams really missed too too
out well in to stretch the field. And so I
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understand he's not blazing fast, but Terrence Ferguson should have
been the guy fielding, you know, stretching the field instead.
I don't know if you caught a glimpse Colby Parkinson
was running that route. So I was a little confused
about the game plan overall. On the offensive side.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I was confused too, and I you know, I'm having
some tech issues, so I'm gonna turn my camera off
and I'm going to let you answer this. I'm gonna
ask you a question that I'm gonna go fix my
camera on my sound so real quick. In the Run game,
I was really really confused on how why offensive we
we moved away from the run game. I mean, you
look at Kien Williams and he was explosive and absolutely
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having his way with Seattle's defense, and it felt like,
you know, you saw him having that success and it
became really apparent early on. Okay, this is where Seattle's struggling,
and then Sean McVay completely pivoted away from that, and
then when he did revisit the run game, he was
trying to force Blake Koram in there, which wasn't working.
And I know that there's a whole debate you know about,
you know, with like how they used Kyroen and how
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they used Blake Koram. The reality of the situation is,
and we've talked about this before, Blake Korum is really
really good on the outside. He's good at doing that
thing right. He's twitchy, he's fast, he's good when you
move him out into space. He really excels there. He
struggles inside running the ball. He struggles in the red zone.
And I know that you know, a couple of those
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the blocks worsuppar I thought the blocking this game was
a little dicey. And I give a lot of credit
to Seattle's defense actually for making that happen. But why
are you taking Kira Williams off the field at all
in the red zone? That should not happen. That is
literally what he excels at. He is you know, people
want to criticize him and call him a goal line merchant. Okay,
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I'll take it. He scores, especially when other people aren't scoring, right,
so why are you taking Kyra Williams off the field.
And also, you know, you and I both agree on
this that the splitting of the carriers has gotten a
little too far. And I think if it was a
different game it would have been fine. But against a
team like Seattle, when you are struggling, your offense is
struggling and one thing is working, why are you pivoting
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away and Kien Williams.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, I I like how you said that. You said
that in more of a respectful way. I'm gonna be blunt.
I don't think Blake Korm is better than Kyra Williams
at anything. I don't I like Blake as a backup.
I just he lost some weight to make him shiftier
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than Kyen. But Kyron and I actually want to I
have a theory and I want to bounce this off everybody.
Kiron Williams was slower in the beginning of the season
because he added weight and had to learn how to
run with that weight. And now we're more than halfway
through the year and he knows how to run with
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that added weight. Now that's why he looks more explosive.
I kept seeing people saying, man, doesn't. Doesn't it seem
like he's more explosive now, Like Kyron really looked fast
on Sunday, like it seemed. And it's funny to me because, yeah,
he's had those moments. I mean, he finally added more
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weight to his frame because people were complaining they went
down too easily, which was ridiculous because he was actually
breaking tackles. But now it's like, what is the argument?
People will say, Well, he fumbled when it was an
important game against the Eagles in January, and it's like, Okay,
are we gonna just keep bringing that up? Because like
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Puka Nakua, who's never fumbled in his career, fumbled in
this one and put the Rams in a pretty bad spot. No,
and you know, Matthew Stafford fumbled in the Eagles game
and he was sensational, but he fumbled and they lost
both of those fumbles. It just feels like Kyn's the
punching bag and he's become probably one of the most
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underrated players to ever grace this organization. He's sitting here
with one hundred and fifty eight carries that's tied for
tenth in the league, seven hundred and fifty yards ninth
in the league, six touchdowns tied for tenth in the league,
and he's averaging four point seven yards per carry. He's
been really good. And I saw something. I don't remember
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the exact number, but I saw that Kyron set the
record for most I think it's fifty plus yard games.
Now people will scoff at that, but think about what
that means. Okay, it's consistency. So if he has the
record for the fifty, you know, fifty plus yard games,
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that means that he's consistently on the field and he's
consistently doing that. And I just feel like they take
him like they I mean, people take him for granted.
And I actually have it right here. J Belong tweeted out.
So he's now ninth, well on his way to seventh
all time RAMS rushing, and he is rushed for fifty
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plus yards in twenty four straight games, which is the
longest active streak in the NFL and the most in
RAMS history. So why can't we finally just admit that
Kyron is not only a really good player. I mean
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the level of disrespect we're always saying Matthew Stafford gets
Kyroen gets that tenfold from his own fan base, and
it's just gotten to the point where it's like, no, no, no, no,
this should not be a timeshare. It's not even close.
And we saw that, and the reason being because I
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saw people saying, well, Blake Koram is running in different situations,
like he didn't get that block that Kien got. No, no, no, no, no.
I watched both runs, okay, and the difference between the
two is Iron sees the hole, he hits the hole,
he makes the cut he creates. Blake Koram is missing
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those cuts. That is what is happening. I don't hate
Blake Koram, but the problem is as soon as you
plant your flag on either side, people think you hate
the other. The reality is Kyron Williams was dominating one
of the best, if not the best run defense in
football and the only one that stopped him was Sean mcvack.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
You're right, and it was absurd. I mean, I can't
think of a better example of like the when they
tried to force that Blake Korum touchdown and gave him
what three tries in the red zone, and then you
put Kyron in on fourth down and he gets it.
That's not blocking, that's vision, and I just think at
some point, like you know, again, I can go on
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and on about like the Kiraen Williams eight. People think
I'm biased because like look at my hat, right, I'm
from the same hometown as him. So I have to
keep that in mind. And that's why I try to
like keep it a little bit level on the show,
because I know that people that's going to be their
first like defense mechanism to be like, oh, we're just
going to discount Alexis because she's liked Kien from the beginning.
But I mean, it's just it's getting ridiculous. And I
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do think that there was a vibe shift when you
watch the game against the Seahawks. This is not a competition,
This is.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Not a role share.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
We should not be displaying Carrey's period. Blake Korum is
very good on the outside. He struggles on the inside.
He does not have the same vision as Kien Williams does.
He certainly is improving. I think Blake Korm, for example,
has gotten better in pass pro. That's not something that
you know when Kyen came into the league, that was
something that he was really known for in college. He
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was like, I think you and I both have had
him as like the best pass protecting running back in
the track, not the one of the best. So that
was something that he just naturally has been very good at.
He used to be a linebacker, so that might have
something to do with it. Blake Quorum has not been
as good at that historically, but I have seen this
season I felt like they've trusted him a little bit
more to help in pass pro. I think he's improving.
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I think that he's getting a little bit better on
those inside runs. But what he really needs is space.
That's why it's a good one to punch. Kien can
do a little bit of everything. Quorum at this moment
in time, should be used in space. He should be
used if you're looking to gain those outside yards on
the edge, right, He's very good at that. He's very twitchy.
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I give him a lot of credit there. What we
saw on Sunday like cannot happen anymore. You cannot take
Kien Williams out of the red zone and you can
certainly not split carriers like that. So I think that
that's what where we're at. I don't think that it's
really even a debate, and I think the reason that
we're even bringing this up is because in a game
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against the Seahawks where there's so much on the line,
and you see Kieren destroying this run defense as we
talked about, which is very good, and as everybody saw,
Seattle has a very good defense, we are giving them
their credit. I mean, this game, the Rams offense did
not look good in a way that I certainly didn't.
They certainly seem rattled. And so when you have something
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that's working for you, you continue to do it. And
Kien Williams went out there pops off a thirty four
yard run, right, and for whatever reason, Sean Fay is like,
that's good, that's enough. Let's try everything else, and then
when we do go back to the run game, let's
use Blake Korm on inside runs. I'm sitting there going like,
what is happening. You're in the red zone and you
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try to run it again with Blake Korm three times
when you could have just put kyroen On in there
and probably scored sooner. You end up getting it on
fourth down, mind you. So I just think it's there's
an overthinking with the run game, and it does feel
like this split carry thing might have been a little
bit forced.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Also, I think Seattle's defense just really had McVeigh rattle.
Then we could talk about that later. I think the
offense itself just looked super off. But to wrap up
the run game, that should not be happening anymore.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It shouldn't. I mean, Kyen Williams.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Could have had a one hundred and fifty yard plus
game legitimately if you had given him more carries and
with what he was doing when he was in there
against this defense. So it's just a shame that this
game felt like it could have been a lot farther apart,
and the Rams were able to kind of save it
with their defense. But yeah, just I was frustrated with
the way that we were overthinking the run game. Very unusual,
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not unusual to overthink to run.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
He was gonna say that that.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Itself wasn't unusual.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
What was unusual is just that you had something working
so well for you so early and to just completely
go away from that was mind boggling to me.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Brought me back to Darryl Henderson cam Akers. Henderson would have, yeah,
seven carries for sixty yards, and somehow cam Akers ends
up with fourteen carries for thirty and it's like it
has no vision. Why is he playing? Yeah, I don't
think Korm has no vision, but you could see the
difference Kyroen was just seeing. And also I see in
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the comment section, when a guy has the hot hand,
you don't mess with it. Look at what CAROLINEA is doing.
I mean we all were kind of confused when they
signed Chuba Hubbard in the offseason and then they're like, yeah,
we're gonna go out and we're gonna sign Rico Dowdele
who just had a thousand yards, Like, well, what are
you doing there? But Rico Dowdell now is the hot hand. Okay,
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he is the best running back in Carolina. So guess what,
They're just using him. They're not thinking about it. They're
just using him, and that's what you need to do. Also,
Kien Williams is established in this league, is one of
the better running backs in the league. Korum's not there yet.
I mean he's not even close. So yeah, eight carries,
ten yards. I understand. It's like he wasn't able to
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get a ton of yards on three of the eight
carries because they came at the goal line. But at
the same time, this is exactly the rams recipe for
success is that if Kien Williams gets hit behind the line,
he's still gonna get two yards out of it. If
Blake Korum gets hit, he's not making anything happen. He's
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gonna lose two. The Rams are predicated on getting to
third and short. That is how their offense is run.
They're either going to hit a deep dig route to
you know, either Puka Takua or DeVante Adams start off
with a nice run. Kyron will get you five, Blake
will get you three, and then you get to a
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second in whatever, and then you get to third and four,
which is what their average third down situation is. The
problem in this game is that when you have Blake
Korum come in and we were texting about this throughout
the game, and he gets negative yards, now Stafford, with
that defense bearing down on you, and you have all
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of that pressure, okay, and the tackles didn't play well,
and we can get into that too. When you're on
third and twelve, third and nine, third and ten, Well,
now they know that you can't run the ball, whereas
the Rams could run the ball on third and four
because Sean McVay is gonna go for it un fourth down,
which I gotta give him a lot of credit. He's
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actually committed to going for unfourth down. And I don't
necessarily feel like it's because of the kicker. I think
it's because he trusts this offense that much, and rightfully so.
I mean, up until this game, they've looked really good
and they had opportunities. Stafford missed Devonte Adams, Devontae Adams
dropped the pass on the you know, the deep middle
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post route. You know, they they had their opportunities that
were there, they just didn't execute. But yeah, I just
I really feel like in this game, Sean McVay is
gonna learn. He's gonna learn from this game. He's gonna
be like, okay, you know. And he he admitted the defense,
you know, bailed the offense out. But one thing's for sure.
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Stafford didn't have his best stuff, But he didn't turn
the ball over. No turnover wheth he plays. That is
the big thing in a game like this, the only
thing that's going to doom you is takeaways. And Pukaakuaz
was kind of fluke. He was about to cover the ball.
He's never fumbled before. It happens Matthew Stafford did not
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throw a pick in this game. He threw two touchdowns.
He's now up to what twenty seven touchdowns and two interceptions.
He's on fire. And yeah, I just I felt like
the offense left a lot of meat on the bone.
This isn't one of those ones where I was like
Seattle absolutely dominated the Rams. I don't think Stafford had
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his best stuff, and I think he missed some throws.
I don't think Devontae Adams was one hundred percent healthy,
and I think he dropped some passes he normally catches.
And I just don't feel like the Rams stuck with
what was working in Kyra Williams. And these are things
that you can change and fix. And then week sixteen
or whenever you play I think it is week sixteen
when you play Seattle again, you can you know, if
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they're expecting this, if they're expecting this offense again, they
got another thing coming because they are going to make adjustments.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, I mean just tying tying a bow kind of
talking about the offense and you know this game, Yeah,
I mean I think it wasn't what we all expected, right,
I think that when you're going into this game against
the Seahawks. I think we all expected this offensive battle
and these are two teams whose offenses have been really hot,
so it obviously was disheartening to kind of see the
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struggles offensively that we made. And you know, then when
something is working, for example, Kyra Williams, you kind of
stifle him and then kind of throw him to the side,
and that's confusing. And yeah, I just didn't think the receivers,
I mean, pukin Akua led you know, seven receptions seventy
five yards.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Solid day, right, felt like it could have been better.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I think that something that I that you touched on
that I want you to elaborate on as well, and
we'll get into his the tackle play, right, and just
it felt like, you know, because Stafford, I think did
make a lot of you know, didn't have his best day, right,
But I think a lot of that also had to
play into the fact that the tacks were just getting worked.
I mean, it didn't, you know. And again we give
credit to the Seattle Seahawks defense. They are a very
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good defense. They didn't make it easy on us, and
it showed, right, And I think that that also affected
kind of the play calling as well.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
But Jake.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I mean, looking at the tackles, it just wasn't good enough.
On Sunday, what say you.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
No, it's unacceptable. You know, I think Rob Havenstein had
a true pass set grade of eight point four in
pass protection eight point four out of one hundreds. No,
it's not acceptable. Alerc Jackson isn't quite where he was
and hoping what they were gonna he was gonna be
when they signed him. The hope is, of course, the
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the blood clots kind of you know, kind of held
him back. Obviously he didn't have a full off season
to prepare, and uh, you know, maybe by the end
of the year he's Alerc Jackson. If not, that's concerning.
Rob Havenstein is done as a power protector. Okay, I
love him. He's he's not the last remaining Saint Louis
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Ram because they brought James Waid back. Yeah, but he's
the second to last remaining State. He's the longest tenured RAM.
How about that. We'll say that. But Alexis, you watch him,
and you watch war mc clennon earlier in the year,
and you're like, you know, they made this move based
entirely on seniority because worm mc Clennon Jr. Was whooping
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ass up front and Rob Havenstein is doing the exact opposite.
And I texted you immediately. During the forty nine Ers game,
I was at and I'm like, the second one, not
the first, and I was just like, Man, haven Stein's
getting worked. He's getting absolutely worked by Bryce Huff. It's
not even close. So get this. There were seven pressures
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in this game allowed by the Rams pass blocking. All
seven of them were tackles. The interior pitched a complete
game shutout. They were great, but the tackles they were not.
Now to be fair, that's in pass protection. Rob Havenstein
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can still run block. They all can. They're all really
good run blockers. This is a very good run blocking
offensive line. But in pass pro it's it leaves a
lot to be desired, at least at tackle. So Alec Jackson,
I don't know what the future is there. He allowed
four pressures, haven Stein allowed three. But even though the
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stats tend to lean in haven Stein's favor because he
allowed one fewer pressure than Aleric, haven Stein doesn't look
good on film, Alexis. He just doesn't look good on tape.
The problem is until they lose a game. I just
don't think they're going to make a switch, and I
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don't want them to lose a game. So you know,
I think think they're the only loss they get the
rest of the years against Seattle. I do think they're
gonna lose in Seattle, but I don't I think they're
going to almost run the table. Like That's how I
feel about this team right now. And you know, we're
gonna talk about the defense because they got some things
to work through. This is a great defensive performance, but
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they may have lost Quentin Lake for the year. But
before we get into that, I just wanted to say, yeah,
the tackles were the only players to give up pressures
on Matthew Stafford in this one. That is insane.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, it wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And you know, Big Rob, I have a lot of
love for him, I know we all have a lot
of love for him, longest tenured ram, but I think
that this is, uh, we're at the end maybe, so
you know, it just it hasn't been good enough and
you can't allow that to happen. I mean the eighth
grade that you said, I mean, you just can't. And
it's it's obvious on film, it's obvious during the game,
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and you know that this is a team that has
Super Bowl expectations, you have to protect the quarterback. So
disheartening to see. But yeah, I just think overall, I mean, again,
give Seattle's defense credit. I think they just put pressure
on the Rams every which way. Uh and you know
the Rams could not find more ways to overcome that
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this game. We were able to make it happen because
of our defense, which we're going to talk about now, Jake.
I mean, this defense has Sam Donald's number. Everybody was
talking about, how oh you know, this isn't the Sam
h Donald from the Vikings, and that was because of
the Vikings, and we talked about it last episode. A
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lot of that was on the Vikings, but also Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Is the doubt.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
You did give him the benefit the doubt, and I
think that he deserved it right at the time. Now
I don't think so. I think Sam Donald was literally freaked,
and that is also giving the Rams defense a lot
of credit. It's funny because a lot of the Seahawks
fans are in my mentions this week after the loss
about how, oh, well, you know, the Seahawks beat themselves
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and you had four turnovers and only one by two points.
And I'm like, you know what, I'm not saying the
Rams offense played well, but your offense certainly didn't play
but play well either. So this double standard that Seahawks
fans have of like, oh, you're not giving Seattle's defense credit,
but we only lost because of Sam Donald. I'm like, no,
you lost because our defense made Sam Donald freak out.
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He wasn't seeing ghosts. He was quite literally pressured. He
was confused, he didn't know what to do. And that's
because of our defense. Our defense stood up to him.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Four interceptions, guys, four interceptions. I predicted on our episode
that there would be at least two, and I think
I said at the time it was because I didn't
really trust Sam Donald when he gets pressured. Four I'll
take it beautiful, right, I mean, it was like he
was seeing ghosts. Maybe in theory, Jake, but you look
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at the way that this defense played, you know, against
Seattle and this high powered offense who we gave a
lot of due credit to, and Jaysen and Sam Darnolds
had a really good year, and you know they traded
for Shaheed and you know you've got Kenneth Walker and
Zach Sharboney, who that's another split carry situation I think
we talked about.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
That's a little interesting to me.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I actually thought looked a little bit better than I
was expecting him to, even though typically I think Kenneth
Walker should like be the belkout over there. Jake, what
was it about this defense that impressed you on Sunday?
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Aside from everything, I don't know. They they looked insane,
they really did. I mean, you know, it's a different
style where the Seahawks are trying to absolutely just be
a wall and the Rams are okay, giving up cushion,
giving up yards. They were playing a bend, don't break,
and they weren't breaking. They're like, all right, it's Seattle,
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take your field goals. And I feel like McDonald still
has in his head last year because I don't know
if everybody remembers how that game ended in Seattle. And
I'm not talking about when DeMarcus Robinson caught the touchdown,
but what happened before that. The Rams stopped them on
fourth in goal. They could have kicked the field goal.
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They went for it. They ran some power run to
the left and they got stifled. And after that the
Rams went down the field and scored, and that was
all she wrote in overtime. I wonder if McDonald thought
about that, because he kicked the field goal every single time.
It's pretty crazy when you think about it. But cam
Kinchins he looked like a man amongst boys. Just the
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way he was able to play in this one. I mean,
just so good in coverage, so good clicking clothes. I
mean he played seventy three snaps in this one, forty
four in coverage, twenty eight in the run game, had
two picks. I mean, just what can you say, right?
And then Nate Lanman played eighty one snaps in this one.
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He had a punch. I did predict the punch, and
I think I did get you to switch one of
your predictions to Kobe Parkinson to catch touchdown. So I
just wanted to point that out as well.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
You did. I didn't even think about that connection.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, And he was trying to do like the snow
Angels thing was he was in heaven. He's like, I
just scored against my former team. Nate Lanman punched that
thing out of AJ Barner's hands. I don't know if
people realize that, but they didn't get it back, but
shout out to Nate Lanman. He is inevitable. I thought
Omar Spades played really well filling the lane in the
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run game. I thought Kobe Durant played really well in coverage.
You know, I thought everybody just played really well. The
Quinton Lake injury was really tough because he played thirty
two snaps. But in a game like this where you
know they have they run eighty one plays, I mean,
like you didn't have Quinton Lake for more than half
of the game. So in steps Josh Wallace, who I've
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been saying they really like, and he stepped in there
and he had, you know, some good moments, and you know,
I think the biggest one the one that impressed me
the most. On Sunday, he didn't grade super well according
to PFF, but Emmanuel Forbes, you can just see it.
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You can just see the growth. Didn't have an interception,
but he had a huge pass breakup that saved a touchdown.
I was, I was so so impressed with his ability
to stay in the hip pocket and you know, run
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that trail technique and knock that thing away because he
baits the throw and he knows he's got the length
he's got at the speed, the acceleration. Forbes, he was
in charge of defending the hottest receiver in the game,
and he stepped up in a huge way and he
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never missed a beat. And it was funny because you know,
Seattle fans were complaining about the call that they didn't make,
but then they don't talk about the one that they
did call on Forbes that was the most tiki tack.
It was a terrible call, the one that put them
in like one play away and then they threw it
to Shiheed. He was great. He was absolutely fantastic in coverage.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I feel like Forbes deserves a lot of credit, Yeah, Jim,
you know, and I think that like Forbes is a
guy that for some reason, it just felt like people
were really quick to discount really from the time he's
been with the Rams, and I can understand kind of
like the hesitations about him right when he first joined
the team, the skepticism about him and kind of you know,
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the comments about it, you know, he's too small, or
he's you know, he can't go up against these big
body receivers, or you know, whatever it is that people
wanted to say about Forbes. And I know that, you know,
the corner situation has obviously been kind of fluid right
ever since you know, Witherspoon got hurt and that, you know,
we haven't seen you know, maybe like a true.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Quote unquote cornerback one.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
And I think people have been rightfully at times pretty
skeptical of the cornerback situation. But man, all of that aside.
Looking at this game, Emmanuel Forbes, I was like, pop off, King,
you'd a great that pass breakup that you mentioned, I
thought was great. You know, I feel like he's maybe
finding his stride and finding his confidence because he hasn't
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really had a chance to do that. You know, if
you look at his career, it's been a little bit
up and down, and you know, it didn't really work
out in Washington. So I feel like, you know, we
could start to see him kind of come into his
own now in this ram secondary and you bring up
Quentin Lake very much praying that that's not a season
ending injury for him.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I don't feel like i've heard any updates on that.
I know that he's going to be out quite a while, he.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Might be out for the year. I'm yeah, I don't
feel good about it.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, I don't feel good about it, just based on
what we're hearing. It's always I think good within that
NFL to brace for the worst, as you said, unfortunately
kind of just like trauma response, especially with this Rams team.
So that's going to be a huge loss. We'll see
who's going to step in there. I mean, you talk
about the mcquery trade. Now that in hindsight, great, right
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you look at you know, what's happened injury wise. I
don't know if you expect him to be somebody who
you know, if they can figure that backfield differently, if
he's going to be somebody who's gonna step in, I mean,
who knows.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Well, it's really interesting because Josh Wallace fills in and
he's you know, six foot buck ninety right, and that's
like he's a slot corner. Yeah, he plays the star
I get that. But like the thing that makes Quinton
Lake so good is that he's about two and ten
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pounds and he's six to one and he plays like
a linebacker, but he moves like a slot corner. So
now you think, okay, well Roger McCreary could come in,
and you know, that looks like a trade that could
maybe saved the season. Sure, But at the same time,
and this is my one gripe, is that Roger McCreary
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is five to eleven a buck ninety, you know, and
he doesn't have the build. So I actually I have
a I have a theory that I'm not saying the
Rams will do this, but I'm saying it's possible. I
think when a Keller Witherspoon's comes back, he could end
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up playing the star. I think they could really try that.
I mean, because the thing about Lake is he's a
he's a captain, he's a vocal leader. That's what Kello is.
I mean, I was telling you, you know, in the
Eagles game in the playoffs, there's a picture of him
where he's one on one with AJ Brown and he's
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not even looking at him because he's so focused on
getting everybody lined up. He doesn't care and he knows
he's gonna shut down AG Brown anyway because he's been
putting him in a blender all game. That is what
a Kello can do. That's what he can bring to
the table. Really good communicator, and he's been kind of
like a captain without a seat on his chest. He's
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in all the team meetings. He's been big in the
development of Emmanuel Forbes. So I could actually see the
Rams going that route because now you get a six
foot three, two hundred and fifteen two hundred and twenty pound,
you know, dB, and it's like on top of that,
you're not really disrupting the flow because they might be like, man,
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we love Kello, but like Kobe's playing well, and Forbes
is playing well, and Darius is playing well, where do
we put a Kello? You could put him at star
And I actually could see that happening. So I'm keeping
an eye on that. I think that development is possible.
And lord knows, I mean, they're they're really close, uh
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a Kello and Lake, so you know, I'm sure he's
gotten plenty of info on that position. But yeah, I
could see that. I just think that's the thing you
got to worry about when it comes to McCreary. You know,
when it comes to you know, Josh Wallace is that
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they're good at being slot corners, but the star role,
you're going to be asked to do a little bit more.
And Sean McVay said it best if if they're without
Quinton Lake, right, you need to understand something. You don't
replace a Quinton Lake. Okay, this is quote. You don't
replace a Quinton Lake. He's so valuable for so many reasons,
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with what he can do, with who he is as
a human, with the way that he elevates and leads.
He is a glue guy for us. End quote. McVeigh
said quote, I think it would be insincere to think
that you're going to ask somebody to do the things
that he's capable of. It's what makes him so special.
But I do have a lot of confidence in the
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other guys end quote. So yeah, I like that he
said that because Lake is a captain and he's got
so many different we call him clubs in the bag
right for golf, He's got so many different things that
he can do, and I just don't feel like any
slot corner is just going to fill that void. So
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I'm expecting him to have some sort of rotational exis.
I do think Roger McCurry's finally going to get a
chance to start and actually play on this defense though, so.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I was responding. I was responding to a troll in
the comments.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Sorry, yeah, anyways, Jake, we've talked about the offense we've
talked about the defense, and by the way, to the
troll and the comments, I still love.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
You for stopping by. That was very facetious me just
roasting you.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
All of we talked about offense, We've talked about defense.
There's one last thing to talk about. The punt of
the year, the punts of the year, the punt.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Of the year, of my life, the greatest pun of.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
The greatest pun of every seen. I'm gonna do my
Chandler big impression.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Could it?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Could it be any more punt of the year? Could
it be any more perfect? That's I mean, literally, Jake,
you couldn't Like people were saying that might have been
the best punt of all time, and they were being serious.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
He is incredible. He's a two hundred and forty two
hundred and fifty pound punter that can probably out bench
out squat anybody who's been my comments section the last
ninety days. I mean, like, he's huge, he's strong as hell,
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and he's got such grace punting the football. That was
everything in that moment.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
It was I mean, let's be so real.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
If that punt had gone through the end zone, don't
know whether the rams would have won this game. And
that's just that's just facts. And listen, I am I
always get on my high horse and I'm always like,
you cannot blame one play for the outcome of a game,
which is very true, but it's worth noting that, like,
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had that punt gone through the end zone and the
Seahawks had better field position, there's a very real chance
the Rams did not win on Sunday. So Ethan Evans
start of the game, I mean, has just been absolute
money since he's been in the league, honestly as a punter,
and I mean we owe him a lot. I mean
game ball should have gone to Ethan Evans, I mean Cameron,
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I think it went to Cameron Kinchins.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
But which is.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Also well, Evans will get a game ball tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
He was great special teams, I mean hero right, I
mean Evan Evans. Guys go good as Jersey. But yeah, no,
it's crazy that that punt made highlight reels you know,
across the league and you know on sports accounts, and
again they're calling it the greatest punt of all times.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, it's insane. Let's wrap it up by talking about
a guy who people are I've literally seen from Rams
fans he's washed. And that's first off, allow me to
educate you if you think that a twenty four year
old is washed. In his second year, seven pressures tied
(39:11):
for a career high against the Seahawks. That was the most,
by the way, allowed for anybody this year against Seattle.
Seattle has not given up twenty pressures in a game
this year until they saw the Rams. Jared Verse was
dominant in the run game, and he was dominant as
(39:32):
a pass rusher and absolutely destroyed Charles Cross. I don't
think people understand Jared Verse is absolutely one of the
best players at his position. Yeah, they're too obsessed with sacks.
How did we not learn our lesson with Aaron Donald?
(39:55):
Aaron Donald should have had twenty sacks way before he
ended up getting twenty sacks. Chris Long was the king
of the almost sack like the year Robert Quinn had
like eighteen, like Chris Long was setting him up for those,
not every time. I don't want to take away from Robert,
(40:16):
but Chris Long was really good and was getting pressure.
And it's like, if you don't get Saxonist league, people
just think that you're washed and you're bad and it's
just like what and it's been going on all year.
It's like, oh, is Braden Fisk hit a wall? No,
(40:37):
Braden Fisk had eight pressures in the game that people
said he hit a wall. But because he didn't have
a bunch of sacks, people are like, he's not good.
So yeah, Jared Verse, by the way, big play. You
want to talk about the punt, Let's talk about the
fourth down or the third I think it was the
third down because they ended up punting the football. Surprisingly,
(40:58):
they put aj Barner on center and they run the
toush push and Jared Verse said, nuh uh. That is
a huge point in the game. I think it was
fourteen to twelve at that point, so key and critical. Yeah,
Jared versus him, and this defense is gonna take him
pretty far. But we've already seen. The great thing about
(41:21):
this team is that the offense can pick up the defense,
and the defense can pick up the offense. And that's
just the reality of it.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I you don't have to tell me twice.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Everyone knows how I feel about Jared Verse and how
I felt about him always, So I don't that talk
in one year out the other.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
It's funny because I was talking to a Miami Dolphins
fan the other night and uh, you know, we were
talking about Jared vers and like Chop and he was like, nah,
Jared versus better. I like Chop, but yeah, but yeah,
And I was like, I know, because I was prepared
for him to give me like a shpiel about like
Chop Robinson or whatever, Jared Verse. I think everyone needs
(42:03):
to lay off him. He's fine, guys, He's like, he's
still him. He is making his presence known. Last thing
I want to bring up because Jake does have a
round table, so we do have to end this here
in a few minutes. Jake, It's so crazy that all
the Seahawks fans who were coming after us after this win,
(42:24):
I told them all to pull up to the show tonight.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Nobody came.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
It's interesting.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
It's interesting different experiences on Twitter. You got berated by
Seahawks fans. Seahawks fans like me because I've given him
too much credit for weeks. Do you know who? I
got barrated by forty nine er fans today because all
of it. But that's just a rock party, rock Purty,
Oh my god, Brock Purty beat down the Cardinals who
(42:51):
actually just got blown out by the Seattle and their
spirits are broken and they're banged up and they're not good.
I mean, Rock Party is the definition of a system quarterback.
So I don't know why we're going crazy over him.
And there's those people still think that he's better than Stafford.
It's the funniest thing ever, they know.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
That's insane.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
That isn't if somebody genuinely believes that, which I know
no person does. That's like an insane thought to have
that you would take Rockberty over Matthew Stafford. But regardless,
I mean, the Seahawks fans just were funny because and
I've given the Seahawks a lot of credit too. I
respect the Seahawks, and I typically have a good relationship
(43:35):
with Seahawks fans, But like they after they were very
salty after this loss and just lost their minds on
the internet about how they're the better team and how
only Sam Darnold play good and the Seahawks showed that
the Rams are soft and not real competitors, and like
they were going so crazy and my mentions and I
(43:56):
told them, I said, pull like one guy, the guy
sent it to you. He was like, oh, you guys
would never say this, like on camera or what he
said like, He's like, if you guys were forced to
go on a football show and give your opinions, you
guys would have to delete your accounts. And I was like, actually,
we have a show pull up, we do talk about it.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
I was like, I was if you guys follow me
on Twitter you saw this. I was like, come stop
by the Downtown Rams live chat and we will read
your comments and talk about it. And none of them
showed up.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
And people are ridiculous. They'll be like, don't say that,
and I'll be like, I do what I want all
the time. I will say whatever I want. I don't care.
That's my thing. I have multiple shows. I'm gonna say
exactly what I want. If I think brock Party's mid, well,
guess what you're gonna hear and I think brock Party's
mid that, Yeah, that's me. And I understand some people
(44:52):
might not like it, but that's always been the way
I do things. I don't regurgitate the same things. I'm
the one creating the narrati. You are as well, and
we'll go against the grain. You know. Oh, everybody's hating
on Connor and Williams. Well that doesn't mean we're just
going to join the club. But there is one club
you guys should join, Sleeper that.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Transition.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Oh boy, all right, we got to tell me about
We got to recuper rate here. Uh, get a hundred
percent match up to one hundred dollars using the code JKB. Also,
be sure to get in on the action Lake is
in the description below JKB. But there's a twenty dollars
free entry no deposit required, so definitely be sure to
(45:42):
sign up for Sleeper. Alexis and I have a Dynasty
Football IDP league in Individual Defensive Player. Say that a
million times fast, and it's fun. And you know, I'm
glad we moved over to Sleeper. I won't say the
other you know account we were using, but Sleeper's better,
(46:02):
That's what I will say. So be sure it again
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Speaker 1 (46:10):
And with that, that's gonna do it. Uh, that's gonna
do it for us. Jake's gonna go to the round
table real quick.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
We do have a super Oh.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
It's my guy, Chris. How we doing? Love Williams and
agree will we be okay without Lake. I believe so. Yeah,
I believe so Gona. It's gonna sting. It stings another
level because Alexis and I have a relationship with Lake
and we've interviewed Lake, so that hurts. But if he
(46:43):
is out for the year, I still think this team
wins the super Bowl. I think they have that much depth.
It is gonna be harder, but I expect him to
still win. Do say appreciate the ten After watching this game,
I think the Rams can end up being Seahawks three
times this season, including playoffs. Wouldn't be the first time
that happened. They did that in Saint Louis. Shout out
(47:05):
Sean McDonald. He's somewhere that's gonna do it. Appreciate you guys.
Thanks so much, guys.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
We have to end this.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Follow us on social media at Downtown Rams. Follow us
on the user Rams on the screen. See you guys,
stay safe, take care and go Rams.
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