June 5, 2024 • 25 mins
In this episode, Dr. David Hanscom talks with Senior Feldenkrais Trainer David Zemach-Bersin. He discusses the neuroscience behind anxiety and pain and how the Feldenkrais method addresses these. He explains the Feldenkrais emphasis on slow movements to engage the parasympathetic nervous system and promote calmness and a sense of safety. He talks about its ability to facilitate learning by leveraging the body's physiology to regulate the nervous system. He discusses how it can reverse the survival response and its role in attracting the brain's attention to positive experiences. He also touches on the practical application of Feldenkrais sessions in creating new circuits in the nervous system. David Zemach-Bersin is a Senior Feldenkrais Trainer who has studied and expanded upon the work of Dr. Moshe Feldenkrais for over 50 years. He studied directly with Dr. Feldenkrais in Europe, the USA and Israel for over ten years. With the onset of Covid in 2020, he co-founded FeldenkraisAccess.com, with the intention to bring the incredible benefits of the Feldenkrais Method to everyone wishing to improve, and lead a more comfortable, pain free life. David has taught all over the world and lives in Connecticut with his wife, Kaethe. For more information, visit www.feldenkraisaccess.com.
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(00:04):
Hello, and welcome to Back inControl Radio with Doctor David Hanscombe. Hello
everybody, and welcome to another episodeof Back in Control Radio with Doctor David
Hanscomb. I'm your host, Mastersand our guest today is David Ziemock Person.
(00:26):
He's a senior felden Craze trainer whohas studied and expanded upon the work
of doctor Moshei felden Craze for overfifty years. He has taught his method
all over the world, and intwenty twenty he co founded feldencrazeaccess dot Com
with the intention of bringing the benefitsof the felden Craze method to everyone wishing
(00:47):
to improve and lead a more comfortable, pain free life. Welcome, Thank
you, Tom, Welcome today's podcasttoday. I'm excited to have David Zemak
Verson. Did I pronounce that right, David, Yes, you did,
very very I'm impressed. He's asenior felt In Christ trainer who has studied
and expanded upon the work of DoctormojiFailing Christ for over fifty years. He
(01:11):
studied directly doctor felt In Christ inEurope, the USA, and Israel for
over ten years. With the onsetof COVID in twenty twenty, He co
founded failed in christaccess dot Com withattention to bring the incredible benefits of Failing
Christ's method to everyone wishing to improveleading more comfortable and pain free life.
He has taught all over the worldand lives in Connecticut with his wife Kathy.
(01:33):
So, David, welcome to theshow. We met a few weeks
ago and had a nice conversation,so I'm excited to have you back.
So welcome, Thank you, Thankyou. So I like to just start
out, and I told David thatin medicine, failing Christ isn't really quite
part of the mainstream. But myimpression is very positive, and now I
know a lot more about chronic painand how the body works. I think
(01:57):
philing Christ is incredibly appropriate. Iwas always a treat by it, and
I'm not even to try to giveyou my impression. Well, let David
explain to you. So I'm comingin as a student today. So I
think it has lutch of potential,particularly in chronic pain, both mental and
physical. And so David, I'myour student right now. Thank you.
(02:20):
Doctor Felton Crisi's work has tremendous atremendous variety of applications. So yes,
it's it has tremendous value with chronicpain, it has tremendous value for anxiety.
But just as well, the workis applied with people with profound physical
challenges, neurological challenges, children andadults with threebral palsy, for example,
(02:49):
people have had strokes. And sothen the I think that all begets the
question of how can it be thatsomething would have so many what we say,
benefits and such a variety of benefits. And that's because the work is
(03:12):
accessing our beautiful plastic nervous system.And I think, I'm sure you've had
other people talk about the plasticity ofthe nervous system, but this is a
really a foundational idea. Doctor FeltonPrist postulated this plasticity as early as the
(03:34):
mid late nineteen fifties, And sothat plasticity is what gives us our ability
to change our ability. So who'sabout fifty years ahead of his time?
He was ahead of his time,I think in many many ways. And
(03:57):
go ahead, well, I meanthe thing is which about neuroplasticity. So,
as a medical school prop around thattime, we thought the brain was
sort of static. You know,you have certain number cells the brain prune
cells as you get older, andthe pruning kept continue throughout your lifetime,
and the entire healing process with chronicpain is neuroplasticity. If you try to
(04:21):
fix the circuits that are unpleasant,you actually reinforce them, and your brains
can develop where every places attention.And so you might have seen my sequence
of healing of connection, confidence andcreativity. But connection being connected to every
aspect of you physical and mental,pleasant unpleasant. Then the trunk of the
(04:41):
tree is the confidence to process itand learn, which fell in Christ would
be one of those. And creativityactually away from the circuits, developing a
new brain like a virtual computer ona computer, is how they can lean
occurs. So again you're trying toreinforce the old circuits by talking about them,
and you actually need it separate andmove away from them. So my
(05:01):
again gut impression of failing crisis away of actually changing the signals to the
brain to start disrupting old circuits.Is that a fair statement. I think
that that's an excellent statement. Andso then the question is how how right?
Because it's one thing to describe thebenefits or the process, but how
(05:25):
has that happened. And that's becauseyour nervous system and my nervous system are
attracted to things that make me morehave a more sustainable life, more a
biologically more viable life. Now,what is it that happens as we grow?
(05:46):
We reach the ages of ten orfifteen years of age, Maybe we've
already had traumas by that time,Maybe we already have an underlying tendency towards
anxiety by that time, or biasesin the ways that we hold ourselves or
organize, to borrow your word,ourselves for movement. And it's it's that
(06:13):
it's that those habits that have developednow determine my experience. It's not so
much as you repeat that again.Earlier in life, my experience determined the
habits that I developed. Right now, once those become kind of they have
their groove in the brain. Nowthe habits are determining my experience, right
(06:43):
No, I like the way yousay that. I mean, your brain
memorizes everything, and people forget thishow we stay as how every living creature
stays alive. They memorize what's safeversus what is dangerous. And it doesn't
take that long to learn how tonot touch a hot stove that's permanently writes
in your brain. Well, thishappens for everything positive negative, and so
(07:04):
the signs is danger. We callthat anxiety. It's non psychological process.
It's just a sensation generated by whenyour body reacts to danger. But can
I offer you something here? Idon't, I don't. Just just this
is a little nuance of a differenceif I if I may, Oh,
yeah, absolutely good, thank you. So so Robert Seppolski at Stanford,
(07:31):
your neighbor, talks about this agreat deal that how is it that we
get stuck in these patterns of anxiety? It's because they the experience had existential
value. And there's there's a lotof great writing on this, but showing
(07:53):
that we habituate very quickly too.If the if, the provoking if we
can allow us the provoking stimulus,the provoking experience, if it sustained,
is sustained in any way, veryvery quickly, it becomes we habituate to
(08:16):
that underlying anxiety. And that's whatI'm saying. We've reached sixteen years of
age or eighteen, and we don'teven realize that we're actually I just got
to let I just got a letterlast week from a woman telling me thanking
me for the work I'm doing,but saying she's now understanding that she's been
(08:37):
anxious her entire life, Like likeyou, she was a physician, and
so how can that happen? Howcan that happen that a very intelligent person
comes into you know, middle ageand realizes, no, this is what
(08:58):
this is the way I've been allmy life. It's not just today,
it's not just in this this hourthat I'm And so there's a lot of
new research showing that the more anxious, the more I, the higher I
rate on an anxiety scale. Thepoor is my my introception, in other
(09:26):
words, my ability to differentiate sensation. This dovetails with a lot of stuff
we understand about the brain. Whatdoes the fault in christ method do?
It creates the conditions for stimulating theattention of the brain. And as William
James told us, there's nothing morevaluable right than attention, and where the
(09:50):
attention goes, that's what's invigorating thebrain. The brain assumes that because we're
attending to something, it's important,right, Your braino developed wherever you place
your attention and so absolutely so,what give me some basis of what is
Feldon Christ no worries. I don'tthink my audience, including myself, really
(10:13):
knows what feld In Christ is.Is it movement, is it special types
of movement? Is it a philosophy? It we use movement to access this
inherent plasticity of the brain. AsI'm sure you know the the expression from
(10:37):
uh Charles Sherrington, the great NobelPrize winning physiologists, who said that movement
is the common pathway, meaning everything, all the systems, whether you want
a hormonal system, the circulatory system, the muscular system, the nervous system,
(10:58):
there are the common pathway is touse movement to keep us safe or
to achieve what we to find whatwe need to seek, to move toward,
to move away, to make thedecision to conserve energy by staying still.
(11:20):
Now we so this doctor Feldon Christunderstood that the reason for a nervous
system is movement. So what's thebasic underlying approach, Because if I remember
my exposure to Pheling Christ, you'redoing movements different than you usually do movement
(11:41):
when you start breaking up your familiarpatterns. So that would be that would
be my probably on the top ofmy list of how do we attract how
does the nervous system attract the attentionof these plastic centers, these learning centers,
these parts of the brain that areare engaged and interested in what helps
(12:05):
me to be a a more flexibleI think we should get into that maybe
later down the line. But whatis the value of a resilient nervous system?
Right because our nervous system knows thatthat's valuable right now, so we
(12:30):
we use slow movement? Why slow? Because that is parasympathetic. Okay,
fast fast movements are by definition sympathetic. So additionally ourdience, say, peer
sympathetic is calming, and sympathetic isexcitatory. Exactly that. So, so
(12:54):
quick and fast movements bring on,stimulate or heighten the sympathetic activity. Slow
movements, and what do we havenow the slow movement We have the opportunity
for mindfulness, We have the opportunityor what for differentiating sensation. And this
(13:20):
is the thing that I've been thinkingabout very much lately, with this new
research about the ability to distinguish internalsensations being very poor with people who have
chronic anxiety. Right, so,what happens in a felt that we call
them lessons. We don't call themexercises because doctor Falton Price wanted to differentiate
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what he was after. He wasafter learning and not aerobic benefit. And
that's not to say to diminish thevalue of aerobic exercise. And he understood
that slow movements gave the opportunity forpeople to sense and feel, thereby creating
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what should we call it more dimensionality, more dimensionality to our experience, and
thus and thus giving us the abilityto what to inhibit. And that and
that's that is a proper definition oflearning. Learning equals the ability to inhibit,
(14:39):
inhibit what inhibit the way we respondedto that moment last week or yesterday.
And I see she really are reallyare regrooming new circuits. We really
are. We we can't ourselves producethe new circuits, but we can create
the condition for that to happen.Why I mean, also, how is
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that the movements are not just randommovements? You could say, and and
again I love I love my joggingand walking and bicycling. But the movements
and exercise, they're not necessarily functionallyconnected. And that's and that's what the
(15:30):
lessons are. The let the FeildingPrice lesson the movements are connected, and
so they expand into larger basic functions. Nothing abstract, nothing divorced from from
uh, all of our ability tomove. So I want to talk about
(15:52):
this a lot more than a secondpodcast, but I want to get right
some people can visualize what actually happensin Felder Christ because I think what you
just said to me sing incredibly enlightening. As far as we'll talk about this
second half. I mean, peopleare trapped in pain, they're angry,
they're reactive, and so you're reactingand reacting and reacting. You're a sympathetic,
fired up your nervous system's inflamed.After your brains immune cells that's inflamed.
(16:17):
Nerve conduction doubles. I mean thefact that you move doing slow movement
in opposition to a sympathetic, firedup nervous system, I think is very
brilliant. So I like that alot, and I guess I will again
admit, from a surgery standpoint,I'm not going aware much of this during
my training, but becoming much moreaware of this now. So I'm looking
at as I'm listening to Don't thinkingabout one of the biggest poets we have
(16:41):
in chronic pain is that people aretrapped and frustrated. The thinking brain is
actually offline. And to me itstrikes me as something that might be something
actually calling people down enough to getthem thinking enough to actually learn. It's
hard to learn when you're fired up, am I correct? And they need
to feel safe right exactly So again, again, I think one of one
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of doctor Felton Craze's most I thinkmost brilliant insights was most of the lessons
that we do not all by anymeans. But then there are thousands of
lessons are done lying on the floor, now, lying on the back,
(17:29):
lying on the stomach, lying onour side. But what is the what
is the biological advantage of that?It's that approximately maybe now it's eighty eight
percent, but when I was ingraduate school, it was more like ninety
eight percent of the activity of thenervous system is dedicated to keeping me upright
(17:55):
in gravity, keeping my keeping mybalance. That this that this is by
far, even even if those numbersare not what they were when when I
was in school, it's still it'sstill clearly the biggest preoccupation of the brain.
Now it means that means noise.And again, if we go back
(18:18):
to a lot of research on anxiety. It shows that if I have a
lot of anxiety, I have anoisy brain, right, I have a
brain that's burning up calories. Whybecause I because my brain believes there's that
there's an existential threat that's eminent,right, it's upon me. And that's
(18:44):
the problem with habituating to that state. But it's also why the brain is
attracted to habituating to it because andthat oh, that's that's why I so
rudely interrupted you was to say,I don't see these things as we can
be attracted to this, the negativeexperience, that we can be attracted to
positive experiences. The negative experiences makeway more noise and attract the attention of
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our brain way more effectively than positiveexperiences. Right. I'm not saying we
can't tilt that ratio more in thedirection of positivity, if you will,
but biologically it's it's clear. Solet me just redefined to the audience one
(19:33):
more time. So one of theproblems we've had in mental health world,
people have anxiety is a psychological issue, and it really is just a sensation
generated by your body's total response toa threat danger. So your body reacts,
and like you mentioned before, thissurvival response where survival machines will do
anything to survive. And so thissurvival response is one million times stronger than
(19:57):
your conscious brain. It's a hugesnatch. So if I hear you correctly,
you're reversed in the process. Therewas You can't control your physiology with
your brain, but you can useyour physiology to actually regulate your nervous system.
Am I hearing that correctly? That'sbeautiful? Okay, I hadn't really
(20:17):
I tried. I picked up onthis. So we're finish up this part
of the podcast in a minute,but just give us a feel. So
in your studio and I'm lying down, say I'm on my back. What
sort of things do you do thatare slow movements? What would be example
of a fellow in Christ's session?David, Yes, I think we should
(20:40):
do that in vivo. I thinkwe should. We should. I'll guide
you a little bit, okay,and you can be sitting in a chair,
and your listeners can be sitting inchairs, and I'd be happy to
guide you for oh even ten minutes. I think you'll get a reasonable representation.
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Lessons are usually uh forty to sixtyminutes. And as I told you,
there's there's really literally thousands of lessons. But because because you can have
lessons, many lessons that are dedicatedto a function, to any function,
so division to the you could you'lllike this one. I think you can
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intersect with this sympathetic which we agreeintensely strong simp and and enlivened pathways that
maintain this sympathetic activation or dominance.And because I once I once had a
(21:52):
neurophysiologist tell me that that you can'ttalk about the sympathetic and the parasympathetic completely
separately, that that's a false,false dichotomy, that that they're always right
choice of balance, right, pulland tug with each other. Okay,
but for example, you know thatcertain things happen in that sympathetic response,
(22:22):
that kind of even though there's there'stremendous variance between us and how we respond
to anxiety, there's still some kindof prototypical things. Breathing changes, the
movement of the diaphragm changes universally,and the mouth and jaw begin to clench.
Right. Right, So I've createdI don't know, twenty folding price
(22:49):
lessons that are dedicated to to dehabituatingthis sympathetic dominance of of the mouth and
jaw, how will that muscular activityof the neck and head maintain that sympathetic
(23:10):
in origin response. So basically,in a chronic threat state that we call
anxiety, that you're using your bodyactually breaking to that process and get people
to truly relax and create new circuits. My correct, you are absolutely correct,
you are absolutely so we both intersectin it and we provide options alternatives
(23:37):
to what have been the status quo. Fantastic, So, David, I
know you aren't. You're mostly teachingnow, correct, I'm mostly teaching and
I have a private practice as well. You do. So the people access
to you at Building christaccess dot comis that's the best way to get hold
of you. That's the best way, Okay, So any other resources we
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should consider was just basically your centralaccess point. I think that. I
think that gives one a very completeview of what we're doing. Right.
Well, David, thank you verymuch. On the next podcast, we're
going to go right into a fieldin Christ's session. I'm excited about this.
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Honestly, this morning, I've learneda lot I just did not know.
I think it was failing christ Willof distraction therapy, this is and
this, but I did not knowabout neuplasticity medical school. I ran across
it intimitently over thirty years, beennever paying much attention to it. But
it looks like a very valuable processto access that into the nervous system start
calming things down. So that's fantastic. So David, thank you very much.
(24:49):
Thank you, David. I'd liketo thank our guests today, David
Zimock Meerson for being on the showand explaining the principles behind the field and
grazed method why it is so effective. I'm your host, Tom Masters,
reminding you to be back next weekfor another episode of Back in Control Radio
with doctor David Hanscombe, and inthe meantime, be sure to visit the
(25:11):
website at www dot backincontrol dot com. Thanks for listening today and join us
next week for Back in Control Radium. That's
Hello, and welcome to Back inControl Radio with Doctor David Hanscombe. Hello
everybody, and welcome to another episodeof Back in Control Radio with Doctor David
Hanscomb. I'm your host, Mastersand our guest today is David Ziemock Person.
(00:26):
He's a senior felden Craze trainer whohas studied and expanded upon the work
of doctor Moshei felden Craze for overfifty years. He has taught his method
all over the world, and intwenty twenty he co founded feldencrazeaccess dot Com
with the intention of bringing the benefitsof the felden Craze method to everyone wishing
(00:47):
to improve and lead a more comfortable, pain free life. Welcome, Thank
you, Tom, Welcome today's podcasttoday. I'm excited to have David Zemak
Verson. Did I pronounce that right, David, Yes, you did,
very very I'm impressed. He's asenior felt In Christ trainer who has studied
and expanded upon the work of DoctormojiFailing Christ for over fifty years. He
(01:11):
studied directly doctor felt In Christ inEurope, the USA, and Israel for
over ten years. With the onsetof COVID in twenty twenty, He co
founded failed in christaccess dot Com withattention to bring the incredible benefits of Failing
Christ's method to everyone wishing to improveleading more comfortable and pain free life.
He has taught all over the worldand lives in Connecticut with his wife Kathy.
(01:33):
So, David, welcome to theshow. We met a few weeks
ago and had a nice conversation,so I'm excited to have you back.
So welcome, Thank you, Thankyou. So I like to just start
out, and I told David thatin medicine, failing Christ isn't really quite
part of the mainstream. But myimpression is very positive, and now I
know a lot more about chronic painand how the body works. I think
(01:57):
philing Christ is incredibly appropriate. Iwas always a treat by it, and
I'm not even to try to giveyou my impression. Well, let David
explain to you. So I'm comingin as a student today. So I
think it has lutch of potential,particularly in chronic pain, both mental and
physical. And so David, I'myour student right now. Thank you.
(02:20):
Doctor Felton Crisi's work has tremendous atremendous variety of applications. So yes,
it's it has tremendous value with chronicpain, it has tremendous value for anxiety.
But just as well, the workis applied with people with profound physical
challenges, neurological challenges, children andadults with threebral palsy, for example,
(02:49):
people have had strokes. And sothen the I think that all begets the
question of how can it be thatsomething would have so many what we say,
benefits and such a variety of benefits. And that's because the work is
(03:12):
accessing our beautiful plastic nervous system.And I think, I'm sure you've had
other people talk about the plasticity ofthe nervous system, but this is a
really a foundational idea. Doctor FeltonPrist postulated this plasticity as early as the
(03:34):
mid late nineteen fifties, And sothat plasticity is what gives us our ability
to change our ability. So who'sabout fifty years ahead of his time?
He was ahead of his time,I think in many many ways. And
(03:57):
go ahead, well, I meanthe thing is which about neuroplasticity. So,
as a medical school prop around thattime, we thought the brain was
sort of static. You know,you have certain number cells the brain prune
cells as you get older, andthe pruning kept continue throughout your lifetime,
and the entire healing process with chronicpain is neuroplasticity. If you try to
(04:21):
fix the circuits that are unpleasant,you actually reinforce them, and your brains
can develop where every places attention.And so you might have seen my sequence
of healing of connection, confidence andcreativity. But connection being connected to every
aspect of you physical and mental,pleasant unpleasant. Then the trunk of the
(04:41):
tree is the confidence to process itand learn, which fell in Christ would
be one of those. And creativityactually away from the circuits, developing a
new brain like a virtual computer ona computer, is how they can lean
occurs. So again you're trying toreinforce the old circuits by talking about them,
and you actually need it separate andmove away from them. So my
(05:01):
again gut impression of failing crisis away of actually changing the signals to the
brain to start disrupting old circuits.Is that a fair statement. I think
that that's an excellent statement. Andso then the question is how how right?
Because it's one thing to describe thebenefits or the process, but how
(05:25):
has that happened. And that's becauseyour nervous system and my nervous system are
attracted to things that make me morehave a more sustainable life, more a
biologically more viable life. Now,what is it that happens as we grow?
(05:46):
We reach the ages of ten orfifteen years of age, Maybe we've
already had traumas by that time,Maybe we already have an underlying tendency towards
anxiety by that time, or biasesin the ways that we hold ourselves or
organize, to borrow your word,ourselves for movement. And it's it's that
(06:13):
it's that those habits that have developednow determine my experience. It's not so
much as you repeat that again.Earlier in life, my experience determined the
habits that I developed. Right now, once those become kind of they have
their groove in the brain. Nowthe habits are determining my experience, right
(06:43):
No, I like the way yousay that. I mean, your brain
memorizes everything, and people forget thishow we stay as how every living creature
stays alive. They memorize what's safeversus what is dangerous. And it doesn't
take that long to learn how tonot touch a hot stove that's permanently writes
in your brain. Well, thishappens for everything positive negative, and so
(07:04):
the signs is danger. We callthat anxiety. It's non psychological process.
It's just a sensation generated by whenyour body reacts to danger. But can
I offer you something here? Idon't, I don't. Just just this
is a little nuance of a differenceif I if I may, Oh,
yeah, absolutely good, thank you. So so Robert Seppolski at Stanford,
(07:31):
your neighbor, talks about this agreat deal that how is it that we
get stuck in these patterns of anxiety? It's because they the experience had existential
value. And there's there's a lotof great writing on this, but showing
(07:53):
that we habituate very quickly too.If the if, the provoking if we
can allow us the provoking stimulus,the provoking experience, if it sustained,
is sustained in any way, veryvery quickly, it becomes we habituate to
(08:16):
that underlying anxiety. And that's whatI'm saying. We've reached sixteen years of
age or eighteen, and we don'teven realize that we're actually I just got
to let I just got a letterlast week from a woman telling me thanking
me for the work I'm doing,but saying she's now understanding that she's been
(08:37):
anxious her entire life, Like likeyou, she was a physician, and
so how can that happen? Howcan that happen that a very intelligent person
comes into you know, middle ageand realizes, no, this is what
(08:58):
this is the way I've been allmy life. It's not just today,
it's not just in this this hourthat I'm And so there's a lot of
new research showing that the more anxious, the more I, the higher I
rate on an anxiety scale. Thepoor is my my introception, in other
(09:26):
words, my ability to differentiate sensation. This dovetails with a lot of stuff
we understand about the brain. Whatdoes the fault in christ method do?
It creates the conditions for stimulating theattention of the brain. And as William
James told us, there's nothing morevaluable right than attention, and where the
(09:50):
attention goes, that's what's invigorating thebrain. The brain assumes that because we're
attending to something, it's important,right, Your braino developed wherever you place
your attention and so absolutely so,what give me some basis of what is
Feldon Christ no worries. I don'tthink my audience, including myself, really
(10:13):
knows what feld In Christ is.Is it movement, is it special types
of movement? Is it a philosophy? It we use movement to access this
inherent plasticity of the brain. AsI'm sure you know the the expression from
(10:37):
uh Charles Sherrington, the great NobelPrize winning physiologists, who said that movement
is the common pathway, meaning everything, all the systems, whether you want
a hormonal system, the circulatory system, the muscular system, the nervous system,
(10:58):
there are the common pathway is touse movement to keep us safe or
to achieve what we to find whatwe need to seek, to move toward,
to move away, to make thedecision to conserve energy by staying still.
(11:20):
Now we so this doctor Feldon Christunderstood that the reason for a nervous
system is movement. So what's thebasic underlying approach, Because if I remember
my exposure to Pheling Christ, you'redoing movements different than you usually do movement
(11:41):
when you start breaking up your familiarpatterns. So that would be that would
be my probably on the top ofmy list of how do we attract how
does the nervous system attract the attentionof these plastic centers, these learning centers,
these parts of the brain that areare engaged and interested in what helps
(12:05):
me to be a a more flexibleI think we should get into that maybe
later down the line. But whatis the value of a resilient nervous system?
Right because our nervous system knows thatthat's valuable right now, so we
(12:30):
we use slow movement? Why slow? Because that is parasympathetic. Okay,
fast fast movements are by definition sympathetic. So additionally ourdience, say, peer
sympathetic is calming, and sympathetic isexcitatory. Exactly that. So, so
(12:54):
quick and fast movements bring on,stimulate or heighten the sympathetic activity. Slow
movements, and what do we havenow the slow movement We have the opportunity
for mindfulness, We have the opportunityor what for differentiating sensation. And this
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is the thing that I've been thinkingabout very much lately, with this new
research about the ability to distinguish internalsensations being very poor with people who have
chronic anxiety. Right, so,what happens in a felt that we call
them lessons. We don't call themexercises because doctor Falton Price wanted to differentiate
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what he was after. He wasafter learning and not aerobic benefit. And
that's not to say to diminish thevalue of aerobic exercise. And he understood
that slow movements gave the opportunity forpeople to sense and feel, thereby creating
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what should we call it more dimensionality, more dimensionality to our experience, and
thus and thus giving us the abilityto what to inhibit. And that and
that's that is a proper definition oflearning. Learning equals the ability to inhibit,
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inhibit what inhibit the way we respondedto that moment last week or yesterday.
And I see she really are reallyare regrooming new circuits. We really
are. We we can't ourselves producethe new circuits, but we can create
the condition for that to happen.Why I mean, also, how is
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that the movements are not just randommovements? You could say, and and
again I love I love my joggingand walking and bicycling. But the movements
and exercise, they're not necessarily functionallyconnected. And that's and that's what the
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lessons are. The let the FeildingPrice lesson the movements are connected, and
so they expand into larger basic functions. Nothing abstract, nothing divorced from from
uh, all of our ability tomove. So I want to talk about
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this a lot more than a secondpodcast, but I want to get right
some people can visualize what actually happensin Felder Christ because I think what you
just said to me sing incredibly enlightening. As far as we'll talk about this
second half. I mean, peopleare trapped in pain, they're angry,
they're reactive, and so you're reactingand reacting and reacting. You're a sympathetic,
fired up your nervous system's inflamed.After your brains immune cells that's inflamed.
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Nerve conduction doubles. I mean thefact that you move doing slow movement
in opposition to a sympathetic, firedup nervous system, I think is very
brilliant. So I like that alot, and I guess I will again
admit, from a surgery standpoint,I'm not going aware much of this during
my training, but becoming much moreaware of this now. So I'm looking
at as I'm listening to Don't thinkingabout one of the biggest poets we have
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in chronic pain is that people aretrapped and frustrated. The thinking brain is
actually offline. And to me itstrikes me as something that might be something
actually calling people down enough to getthem thinking enough to actually learn. It's
hard to learn when you're fired up, am I correct? And they need
to feel safe right exactly So again, again, I think one of one
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of doctor Felton Craze's most I thinkmost brilliant insights was most of the lessons
that we do not all by anymeans. But then there are thousands of
lessons are done lying on the floor, now, lying on the back,
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lying on the stomach, lying onour side. But what is the what
is the biological advantage of that?It's that approximately maybe now it's eighty eight
percent, but when I was ingraduate school, it was more like ninety
eight percent of the activity of thenervous system is dedicated to keeping me upright
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in gravity, keeping my keeping mybalance. That this that this is by
far, even even if those numbersare not what they were when when I
was in school, it's still it'sstill clearly the biggest preoccupation of the brain.
Now it means that means noise.And again, if we go back
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to a lot of research on anxiety. It shows that if I have a
lot of anxiety, I have anoisy brain, right, I have a
brain that's burning up calories. Whybecause I because my brain believes there's that
there's an existential threat that's eminent,right, it's upon me. And that's
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the problem with habituating to that state. But it's also why the brain is
attracted to habituating to it because andthat oh, that's that's why I so
rudely interrupted you was to say,I don't see these things as we can
be attracted to this, the negativeexperience, that we can be attracted to
positive experiences. The negative experiences makeway more noise and attract the attention of
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our brain way more effectively than positiveexperiences. Right. I'm not saying we
can't tilt that ratio more in thedirection of positivity, if you will,
but biologically it's it's clear. Solet me just redefined to the audience one
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more time. So one of theproblems we've had in mental health world,
people have anxiety is a psychological issue, and it really is just a sensation
generated by your body's total response toa threat danger. So your body reacts,
and like you mentioned before, thissurvival response where survival machines will do
anything to survive. And so thissurvival response is one million times stronger than
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your conscious brain. It's a hugesnatch. So if I hear you correctly,
you're reversed in the process. Therewas You can't control your physiology with
your brain, but you can useyour physiology to actually regulate your nervous system.
Am I hearing that correctly? That'sbeautiful? Okay, I hadn't really
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I tried. I picked up onthis. So we're finish up this part
of the podcast in a minute,but just give us a feel. So
in your studio and I'm lying down, say I'm on my back. What
sort of things do you do thatare slow movements? What would be example
of a fellow in Christ's session?David, Yes, I think we should
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do that in vivo. I thinkwe should. We should. I'll guide
you a little bit, okay,and you can be sitting in a chair,
and your listeners can be sitting inchairs, and I'd be happy to
guide you for oh even ten minutes. I think you'll get a reasonable representation.
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Lessons are usually uh forty to sixtyminutes. And as I told you,
there's there's really literally thousands of lessons. But because because you can have
lessons, many lessons that are dedicatedto a function, to any function,
so division to the you could you'lllike this one. I think you can
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intersect with this sympathetic which we agreeintensely strong simp and and enlivened pathways that
maintain this sympathetic activation or dominance.And because I once I once had a
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neurophysiologist tell me that that you can'ttalk about the sympathetic and the parasympathetic completely
separately, that that's a false,false dichotomy, that that they're always right
choice of balance, right, pulland tug with each other. Okay,
but for example, you know thatcertain things happen in that sympathetic response,
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that kind of even though there's there'stremendous variance between us and how we respond
to anxiety, there's still some kindof prototypical things. Breathing changes, the
movement of the diaphragm changes universally,and the mouth and jaw begin to clench.
Right. Right, So I've createdI don't know, twenty folding price
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lessons that are dedicated to to dehabituatingthis sympathetic dominance of of the mouth and
jaw, how will that muscular activityof the neck and head maintain that sympathetic
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in origin response. So basically,in a chronic threat state that we call
anxiety, that you're using your bodyactually breaking to that process and get people
to truly relax and create new circuits. My correct, you are absolutely correct,
you are absolutely so we both intersectin it and we provide options alternatives
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to what have been the status quo. Fantastic, So, David, I
know you aren't. You're mostly teachingnow, correct, I'm mostly teaching and
I have a private practice as well. You do. So the people access
to you at Building christaccess dot comis that's the best way to get hold
of you. That's the best way, Okay, So any other resources we
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should consider was just basically your centralaccess point. I think that. I
think that gives one a very completeview of what we're doing. Right.
Well, David, thank you verymuch. On the next podcast, we're
going to go right into a fieldin Christ's session. I'm excited about this.
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Honestly, this morning, I've learneda lot I just did not know.
I think it was failing christ Willof distraction therapy, this is and
this, but I did not knowabout neuplasticity medical school. I ran across
it intimitently over thirty years, beennever paying much attention to it. But
it looks like a very valuable processto access that into the nervous system start
calming things down. So that's fantastic. So David, thank you very much.
(24:49):
Thank you, David. I'd liketo thank our guests today, David
Zimock Meerson for being on the showand explaining the principles behind the field and
grazed method why it is so effective. I'm your host, Tom Masters,
reminding you to be back next weekfor another episode of Back in Control Radio
with doctor David Hanscombe, and inthe meantime, be sure to visit the
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website at www dot backincontrol dot com. Thanks for listening today and join us
next week for Back in Control Radium. That's
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