Decoding Heaven and Hell: A New Perspective...

Dr. Troy is a compelling and thought-provoking speaker in the field of spiritual enlightenment and personal growth. With a background in theology and philosophy, Dr. Troy is known for his ability to delve into deep, existential topics and challenge traditional beliefs. His work focuses on expanding the understanding of spirituality, emphasizing the exploration of love, light, and the concept of existence beyond human perceptions. Dr. Troy is committed to guiding individuals towards spiritual awakening and connecting with the divine essence within.

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 Dr. Troy Munson explores the intricate relationship between desire, thought, and personal fulfillment. With a reflective tone, Dr. Troy engages the audience in a conversation that challenges conventional perceptions of fantasizing and arousal, presenting them as inherent aspects of human nature that drive our actions and emotions. He suggests that by understanding and contemplating these urges, one can attain a deeper sense of peace and enlightenment. Dr. Troy emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between beneficial and harmful desires. Touching on spiritual ideologies and the concept of letting go, he urges listeners to question their thoughts and contemplate them to unearth underlying truths. By rejecting negative fantasies and understanding the nature of arousal, individuals can move towards a state of inner tranquility. Dr. Troy's message is clear: to experience true joy and contentment, one must transcend the superficial allure of desires and uncover the boundless possibilities of a mind liberated from illusions.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Words of Radiance, where light meets life. Hello
and welcome. You're tuning into Words of Radiance, where the
wisdom of Scripture illuminates our lives and deepens our faith.
Today we are blessed to hear from the inspiring voice
of doctor Troy, whose words are sure to challenge, uplift
and strengthen us. Before we begin, here is a special
message for today. No matter where you find yourself in life,

(00:27):
whether in seasons of joy or struggle, God's light is
always present. His word is not just something to hear,
it's something to live. Today. Open your heart and let
truth transform you because in his radiance we find strength, hope,
and renewal. Get ready to step into the warmth of
his promises, the power of his presence, and the depth
of his love. Let's begin.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Hello and welcome. I'm doctor Troy. It is kind of
amazing to me sometimes when I have a deep conversation
with somebody and they hold on to some of the
most entrenched beliefs about things that, oh, let's say, are
not salvation issues. Now, if you're out there and you're thinking,

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oh great, But for those of you that kind of
have this idea of salvation. It really is an interesting concept.
But I had a gentleman that was really questioning quite heavily,
and I asked him finally, point bla like, I said,
point to hell. Where is hell? Good point? And he

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pointed straight down, and I said who created it? Who
created hell? And that threw him back for a little bit.
Any thought, any thought, and he wouldn't answer. And sometimes
I'm directed to let people off the hook. Sometimes I'm not.

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Sometimes they need to come face to face with their
own lies and their own beliefs so that they can
see them directly and decide what they would do with them. Now,
if if we had well, let's not go quite there yet.

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But if heaven exists and Hell exists, then there must
be a creator of both, and a creator that would
create both heaven and Hell. I don't know about you,
but I don't know that I would trust them very much.
And you might think, well, I don't get it. You

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better do some fancy talking here. So everywhere love is,
light is, joy is peace is everywhere. Knowledge, complete knowledge
is and unconditioned, unconditional, perfect love is everywhere light is.

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There cannot be darkness, there cannot be fear, There cannot
be any negative emotion, because the light dispels all doubts,
all fears, all questions. It is complete. And so the

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only way that we could actually question something is to
hide ourselves from that knowledge, from that light, from that love,
from that infinite presence, and now look upon something without understanding.
And in that space where we are uncertain, now comes

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fear instantly. So fear can only venture where love does
not tread. And since love is synonymous with all that exists,
fear only exists where things don't exist. I know that's
kind of a bit of a mind warp, but you

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might say to yourself, wait a minute, I know I exist,
and I'm in fear. And we've had conversations about this
in the past. That one thing that all humans tend
to experience, and one thing they can all kind of
lock arms together about, is that they are all afraid.
And while that is true, it is only because the

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flesh will not be reconciled to the spirit. And so
the flesh is one thing, the spirit is quite another.
And the spirit is what inhabits the body and keeps
it in its organization. And if you will alive when
the spirit leaves the body, the body now appears to

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be non animated, and therefore is called dead or died.
And yet what was life that was there is now
not in that house anymore. And so it didn't die,
because what was never alive cannot die. Life does not die.

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Life is total, Life is everything, Life is everywhere. Life
does as life does. So when he pointed to Hell,
I said, so who created it? And I finally said,
if God created Hell the moment that he created it,
his light and love and his infinite presence would have

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filled it, and it would no longer be hell. And
if for a just even a moment, you could go there,
guess who who goes with you? Because the moment God
created all of us, that moment, he did not let
us go. He has forever remained right by our side,

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forever and ever, walking through every situation with us. You
might even be a little bit embarrassed now if you
think about some of the things that you've done, I
will encourage you not to be. He doesn't judge you
on them. He just knows what you're doing is based
upon very limited information, because you have closed your mind

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down to his beautiful speech, his voice, the things he
wants to tell you, his truth, and that's the only
way that we would actually remain in our darkness. Now,
the next question sometimes people ask is why why would
we do that? And that's not necessarily for this particular podcast,

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But the reason is is to experience what we want
to experience. And he might say that's not good enough. Well,
for now, we'll have to be but we will get
to that later. And so as I asked him more questions,
if you could send somebody here, who created that person?

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And he of course said, well, God had to great
we both agree that God created everyone and if they exist,
they had to be created by God? Is that true?
Can we arrive at that and be okay with that? Yes,
I'm okay with that. Good. So, if He created everyone
and gave them life, he gave them a piece of himself,

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for he is life itself. Do we agree with that? Now?
Can he cut a piece of himself off and make
you a source unto yourself and now you become a
tiny God? Did he do that?

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Or?

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Is God God? And forever remains one? Is God won?
And does he forever remain one? Yes? Does God change? No,
we're told he doesn't. Yes, it's true. He is changeless.
He will be the same today as he was yesterday,
and he will be tomorrow. He doesn't operate in time,

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he operates outside of time. Imagine time contiguous, happening all
at once. It's too much for the human brain to imagine.
But that is heaven all at once. It is a
continuous eternity with no start and no end and no time.

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It just is. That massive isness ultimately became somewhat boring
to us. Imagine if you had everything from the moment
you were born. You have a child and you give
them everything, you withhold nothing. They never cry, They always

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have everything everything you give them the moment they ask
for it. Can you imagine what that child would be
like as it grew up into a teenager. If you're
thinking what I'm thinking, you're thinking that that child would
be a humongous brat, and you'd probably be right, because
they'd only be operating in the flesh, not in love,

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and because most of us only know fear, and if
we lack something, we begin to believe that we actually lack.
So the moment that child wanted something, it perceived itself
as lacking. At that moment, it definitely was not in
its spiritual mind, but rather in the physical brain, and

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so it could only see what it lacked, and it
became afraid. And the moment that it asked for something
it was handed to it, it said, hmm, what else
do I lack? And it would look around from its
own limit perspective, and now it would start seeing all
kinds of things that lacked, and then it might even
be making stuff up. And so that's how it would

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go until it got to a point that it said,
I don't know why I'm here. Everything I want I get.
I never have any sorrow. I don't even know what
it's like to even suffer or feel pain. I'm pampered
at all times, given everything. It has no understanding of

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what a struggle is. And so it may be part
of why we choose to suffer, why we decide to
experience certain things. Here. The problem is is that we're
still operating in the irrational brain. I know many people
call it the rational mind. I don't. There's very little

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rational about the brain. It's a bunch of data and
it tries to predict things, and it's not very good
at it, to say the least. It tries to constantly
live in a self protection and self promotion way, and
it's to its own detriment and its own separation and
its own increasing level of fear. Does that sound even

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remotely rational? Course not. And so this irrational brain tries
to figure out a complex world that has no business
even remotely trying to think that it can control. And
yet it does at all times thinks that it can.
It tries to get mad and make people do what

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it wants and control them. It tries to gain wealth
to have another way to incentivize people for playing nicely.
It tries to use guilt and shame to force people
to do things. Sometimes it'll even create words like honor
and being pleasant to at least hopefully guilt people into

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acting and behaving well. It uses all kinds of tactics
incessantly to try and get what it thinks. It still
continues to lack. And when we let go of that
irrational brain and we calm all of its thoughts down

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and we don't listen to it anymore, we begin to
enter the intuitive mind, or what some of us would
refer to as the christ mind or the mind of God.
Anyone can do this, it doesn't matter your religious background.
That is irrelevant. What matters is is that you're continuously
connected to life because you are life itself, and life

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is always for itself, not against itself, but it can
pretend to be against itself. To experience what would loneliness
feel like? What would pain feel like? What would shame
feel like? What would to be in a constant state
of fear be like? Once we've experienced all kinds of

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aspects of fear and shame and guilt and loss and
grief and apathy and hatred and anger and pride, When
we experience all these things like greed and desire and
whatever else is out there, When we finally experienced all
those flavors and we now know how bad we are,

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we now get to experience fully how good, very good
we are. For in the beginning, when God created everything
and he was done, he looked on everything he created
and he said it was and is very good. And
nothing has changed since. So what will you do? Will

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you continue to strengthen your belief in hell? Or you
will begin to realize that when you separated your mind
and now created this tiny little space called a human
brain in which to experience things that anything away from
the full presence of love itself, of life itself, of

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light itself is likely a great definition for hell. And
though it does not exist except in the mind that
is separated, it is no real place, but it is
real enough. Look around this world at the veritable hells,
but know that there are pockets of heaven and light

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that are increasingly growing and overtaking the darkness. It is
inevitable because darkness is nothing and light is everything. So
be of good cheer today Until next time. I'm doctor Troy,
and remember you have nothing to do, only something to see.

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You have nothing to do, only something to see.